Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
I like it, may try it. Supposedly Wal-Mart has electric heaters for $9 right now, I'll have to take a look to see if they're suitable... Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 3:09 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Get an electric heater, put it in the passenger footwell and remember to turn it on before you get out at night. Run an extension cord through the firewall up to where the block heater plug is. Put a tee extension cord there and plug both the extension cord and block heater into it. Now when you plug in the block heater you'll plug in the electric heater inside the car. When I first got my 240D back on the road it was very moist inside but cold outside. I put a 1500w electric heater in it every morning for an hour before work. That combined with my 1hr commute (each way) got the moisture out. At any temp under freezing the car doesn't really get warm per say but it takes the edge off and clears the windshield. -Curt Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:13:14 -0500 From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Message-ID: 1370e90cffd2ac4b8cb65267ba10c4b801db9...@naeachrlez02v.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK, thanks for the input guys. I can't justify the $$$ for the Webasto unit, so I guess I'll just have to put up with the cold for another month or so. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
Tim, Curt is several steps ahead of both of us... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Tim C. Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:01 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Maybe you could try getting a little heater to run for the 30 minutes before you leave the house? Timers are good for that. A 500W heater with a small fan, disconnected when you drove away from the house, would probably keep the car satisfactorily warm until the engine warms up. Just a thought, I've not gotten to implementing this myself... -Tim --- Original Message --- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 05-Jan-10, 13:13:14 Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold OK, thanks for the input guys. I can't justify the $$$ for the Webasto unit, so I guess I'll just have to put up with the cold for another month or so. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold I only ever tried the block heater once on the 300D 2.5t for that reason-couldn't see any difference in heat any sooner so I tucked the cord back onto bumper and have never used again. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:05 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Max, I can't really tell the difference in how quickly I get heat, its the center of town for me pretty much no matter what. If I lived somewhere seriously cold I'd get a radiator heater to go along with the block heater, another 1000w into the radiator would surely give quicker cabin heat... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
Wonko, Did you hold the accel. pedal to the floor? 60 seconds seems too long - I'm wondering if the GP relay had already shut off and the glow plugs were cooling off? Do you know anything about diesel engines? ;) After reading the other posts on this topic, I felt the need to prove my car's cold starting ability. This a.m., a little warmer at 28 deg F, I let it glow once and waited a count of ten after the timer light went out, and it started immediately. No pedal required until after it was running (my electronic idle control is disabled on this car). I have made the purple wire modification on this car to get after-glow, but the improvement in post-start idle is not nearly as dramatic as it was on my NA 617 (now sold). Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 318k miles '95 E300 274k miles project '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold For giggles, I just tried starting the 240D with -5F temps outside, and -15F when I woke up this morning. The block heater has been plugged in non-stop for at least the last week and the car was driven on Christmas day. 60 seconds preglow, cranked a while (did NOT crank until the battery died) and no start. If I really had to drive it, I'd do several 60 seconds preglows and then go for broke. But hey ... it is OLD, only one year younger than my oldest kid! At its age, I don't expect miracles. It is a senior citizen and deserves to be treated as such. That is why I drive a 300E in this sort of temps. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.netwrote: On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:46:32 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Yup crank until you win or crash... I find that if I'm waiting for the relay I'll never hear it ... Leave the door ajar so the interior light is on. When the glow plug relay drops out, the interior light will get noticably brighter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- You are what you are now because you where then. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
My guess would be that you have something very wrong. If the block heater has been plugged in for at least a week, the engine should be warm to the touch, and start without any special procedures. Perhaps you block heater isn't functioning? Jaime On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: For giggles, I just tried starting the 240D with -5F temps outside, and -15F when I woke up this morning. The block heater has been plugged in non-stop for at least the last week and the car was driven on Christmas day. 60 seconds preglow, cranked a while (did NOT crank until the battery died) and no start. If I really had to drive it, I'd do several 60 seconds preglows and then go for broke. But hey ... it is OLD, only one year younger than my oldest kid! At its age, I don't expect miracles. It is a senior citizen and deserves to be treated as such. That is why I drive a 300E in this sort of temps. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:46:32 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Yup crank until you win or crash... I find that if I'm waiting for the relay I'll never hear it ... Leave the door ajar so the interior light is on. When the glow plug relay drops out, the interior light will get noticably brighter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- You are what you are now because you where then. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
Low compression? Valves adjusted in past several months? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Kopchinski Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 7:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold My guess would be that you have something very wrong. If the block heater has been plugged in for at least a week, the engine should be warm to the touch, and start without any special procedures. Perhaps you block heater isn't functioning? Jaime On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: For giggles, I just tried starting the 240D with -5F temps outside, and -15F when I woke up this morning. The block heater has been plugged in non-stop for at least the last week and the car was driven on Christmas day. 60 seconds preglow, cranked a while (did NOT crank until the battery died) and no start. If I really had to drive it, I'd do several 60 seconds preglows and then go for broke. But hey ... it is OLD, only one year younger than my oldest kid! At its age, I don't expect miracles. It is a senior citizen and deserves to be treated as such. That is why I drive a 300E in this sort of temps. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:46:32 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Yup crank until you win or crash... I find that if I'm waiting for the relay I'll never hear it ... Leave the door ajar so the interior light is on. When the glow plug relay drops out, the interior light will get noticably brighter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- You are what you are now because you where then. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
I submit that your block heater doesn't work or the valves have gotten tight. The block heater being plugged in negates outside temp. The car should start like its July... My 240D got flogged 55 miles this morning and in the afternoon I'll flog it 55 miles back home. The plan right now is to keep doing that until a nicer car comes along... The new 190D will be my wife's driver until that nicer car shows up at which point I'll bask in 40mpg again. For now its all about piling miles onto the cheapest car. -Curt Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:04:47 -0600 From: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Message-ID: 61dfb08b1001042004j60a2f6fauf3a01edbda6fa...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 For giggles, I just tried starting the 240D with -5F temps outside, and -15F when I woke up this morning. The block heater has been plugged in non-stop for at least the last week and the car was driven on Christmas day. 60 seconds preglow, cranked a while (did NOT crank until the battery died) and no start. If I really had to drive it, I'd do several 60 seconds preglows and then go for broke. But hey ... it is OLD, only one year younger than my oldest kid! At its age, I don't expect miracles. It is a senior citizen and deserves to be treated as such. That is why I drive a 300E in this sort of temps. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
For giggles, I just tried starting the 240D with -5F temps outside, and -15F when I woke up this morning. The block heater has been plugged in non-stop for at least the last week and the car was driven on Christmas day. 60 seconds preglow, cranked a while (did NOT crank until the battery died) and no start. . . But hey ... it is OLD, only one year younger than my oldest kid! At its age, I don't expect miracles. It is a senior citizen and deserves to be treated as such. My old 123 (82 300D) would not start when the temp was below 10 degrees. But, it had over 400,000 miles. I sold it to a friend who ended up replacing the timing chain (there was significant stretch). He said he would start below zero after that. I do really thing that frequent valve adjustments and checking the stretch on the chain are the real secret to getting a 123 to start in any weather. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
I submit that your block heater doesn't work or the valves have gotten tight. If the block heater's working, slightly tight valves are negated since they won't get cold enough to hang open. If it's quiet you can usually hear it sizzling if it's working. Doesn't take much traffic noise to cover it up, though. A generally useful item to have around is a Kill-A-Watt, one of the uses of which is to prove that the heater is working. (Circa 400W.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
My wife unsolicited last night said the mamabenz SD was being a bit balky. Exploring that idea a bit further suggested it was not starting as easily in the 20sF temps we have had as it does in the 90s. I told her to let it glow a bit longer (it usually lights off after about 5sec of glowing, on the first rev) and that should make it happier. I probably couldn't even get the TD going, not that I have anywhere to go in it. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
I thought the block heaters were all 500W? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold snip A generally useful item to have around is a Kill-A-Watt, one of the uses of which is to prove that the heater is working. (Circa 400W.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
I've been tempted to start using my block heater, even though the car starts just fine, so that I'll have interior heat as quickly as possible. One of those Webasto automatic units that runs on diesel fuel would be a really nice luxury for the few days I'd be able to use it here in SC. Yes I'm a wimp now; when I lived in WI ~20 years ago I loved the winter more than the summer but after living in climates that don't get snow I've lost all tolerance for cold... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:19 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold I thought the block heaters were all 500W? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold snip A generally useful item to have around is a Kill-A-Watt, one of the uses of which is to prove that the heater is working. (Circa 400W.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
My 240D's block heater spent 2 or 3 winters running off a 400w Coleman brand inverter powered by a battery in the trunk... -Curt Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:19:17 -0500 From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Message-ID: 1370e90cffd2ac4b8cb65267ba10c4b801db9...@naeachrlez02v.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I thought the block heaters were all 500W? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold snip A generally useful item to have around is a Kill-A-Watt, one of the uses of which is to prove that the heater is working. (Circa 400W.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
Max, I can't really tell the difference in how quickly I get heat, its the center of town for me pretty much no matter what. If I lived somewhere seriously cold I'd get a radiator heater to go along with the block heater, another 1000w into the radiator would surely give quicker cabin heat... -Curt Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:32:33 -0500 From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Message-ID: 1370e90cffd2ac4b8cb65267ba10c4b801db9...@naeachrlez02v.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been tempted to start using my block heater, even though the car starts just fine, so that I'll have interior heat as quickly as possible. One of those Webasto automatic units that runs on diesel fuel would be a really nice luxury for the few days I'd be able to use it here in SC. Yes I'm a wimp now; when I lived in WI ~20 years ago I loved the winter more than the summer but after living in climates that don't get snow I've lost all tolerance for cold... -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
I only ever tried the block heater once on the 300D 2.5t for that reason-couldnt see any difference in heat any sooner so I tucked the cord back onto bumper and have never used again. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:05 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Max, I can't really tell the difference in how quickly I get heat, its the center of town for me pretty much no matter what. If I lived somewhere seriously cold I'd get a radiator heater to go along with the block heater, another 1000w into the radiator would surely give quicker cabin heat... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I DID NOT COOK THE STARTER!! Idiot son did the job, I had to clean up after the mess. There is a crank until you win situation for these old cars. One can crank the thing for 30 seconds. Then you really need to let it rest and cool down. But 30 seconds is a REALLY long time when you actually have to do it. A 30 second earthquake seems like forever. Gump, with the delivery valve issue has been taking excessive attempts to light off. Somewhere in the system is a kill gremlin that will boot you off after 15-20 seconds or less. No idea why, it just cuts off the cranking and you have to start all over again. clay On Jan 4, 2010, at 4:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: Yup crank until you win or crash... Didn't somebody cook a starter doing that last month? Clay? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK, thanks for the input guys. I can't justify the $$$ for the Webasto unit, so I guess I'll just have to put up with the cold for another month or so. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold I only ever tried the block heater once on the 300D 2.5t for that reason-couldn't see any difference in heat any sooner so I tucked the cord back onto bumper and have never used again. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:05 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Max, I can't really tell the difference in how quickly I get heat, its the center of town for me pretty much no matter what. If I lived somewhere seriously cold I'd get a radiator heater to go along with the block heater, another 1000w into the radiator would surely give quicker cabin heat... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
Get an electric heater, put it in the passenger footwell and remember to turn it on before you get out at night. Run an extension cord through the firewall up to where the block heater plug is. Put a tee extension cord there and plug both the extension cord and block heater into it. Now when you plug in the block heater you'll plug in the electric heater inside the car. When I first got my 240D back on the road it was very moist inside but cold outside. I put a 1500w electric heater in it every morning for an hour before work. That combined with my 1hr commute (each way) got the moisture out. At any temp under freezing the car doesn't really get warm per say but it takes the edge off and clears the windshield. -Curt Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:13:14 -0500 From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Message-ID: 1370e90cffd2ac4b8cb65267ba10c4b801db9...@naeachrlez02v.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK, thanks for the input guys. I can't justify the $$$ for the Webasto unit, so I guess I'll just have to put up with the cold for another month or so. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
Maybe you could try getting a little heater to run for the 30 minutes before you leave the house? Timers are good for that. A 500W heater with a small fan, disconnected when you drove away from the house, would probably keep the car satisfactorily warm until the engine warms up. Just a thought, I've not gotten to implementing this myself... -Tim --- Original Message --- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 05-Jan-10, 13:13:14 Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold OK, thanks for the input guys. I can't justify the $$$ for the Webasto unit, so I guess I'll just have to put up with the cold for another month or so. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold I only ever tried the block heater once on the 300D 2.5t for that reason-couldn't see any difference in heat any sooner so I tucked the cord back onto bumper and have never used again. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:05 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Max, I can't really tell the difference in how quickly I get heat, its the center of town for me pretty much no matter what. If I lived somewhere seriously cold I'd get a radiator heater to go along with the block heater, another 1000w into the radiator would surely give quicker cabin heat... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Years ago in the MI UP, I plugged elec cord for my van block heater and a small elec heater sitting on the engine cover inside the van into a receptacle that I activated via a CB when I would get up in the morning. By the time I had showered, dressed, etc., and ready to leave, the engine and the van interior were nice and warm; ice even cleared from the windows. Wilton - Original Message - From: Tim C. bb...@crone.us To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Maybe you could try getting a little heater to run for the 30 minutes before you leave the house? Timers are good for that. A 500W heater with a small fan, disconnected when you drove away from the house, would probably keep the car satisfactorily warm until the engine warms up. Just a thought, I've not gotten to implementing this myself... -Tim --- Original Message --- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 05-Jan-10, 13:13:14 Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold OK, thanks for the input guys. I can't justify the $$$ for the Webasto unit, so I guess I'll just have to put up with the cold for another month or so. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold I only ever tried the block heater once on the 300D 2.5t for that reason-couldn't see any difference in heat any sooner so I tucked the cord back onto bumper and have never used again. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:05 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Max, I can't really tell the difference in how quickly I get heat, its the center of town for me pretty much no matter what. If I lived somewhere seriously cold I'd get a radiator heater to go along with the block heater, another 1000w into the radiator would surely give quicker cabin heat... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] glowing in the cold
Yesterday morning at 14F I fired my OM602 off with only one glow-barely turned a revolution. Different from the other OM 616 I had which I would double glow in the teens and sometimes triple glow when the single digits arrived. I do have block heater on the 300D (OM 602) but don't use it or need to. On my current 240D I have a jury rigged manual GP relay system-Fred recognizes the relay as a Ford relay of some kind. Anyway I just hold the button for 30, 60, 90 or however many seconds-also can use it as an afterglow of sorts for a little bit. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI This a.m. it was 27 deg F. Glowed the '87 once until the glow plug relay shut off, then re-started the relay, let her glow for another 20 seconds or so and she fired up fairly quickly. Big cloud of smoke. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've never found a temp yet that my 601 won't start at. Might find out this winter... I used to fart around with double glow in the 240D, lately I've been just glowing and waiting another 20 seconds or so after the light goes out, then crank until it starts which so far it always does even down in the teens. Thats with conventional oil. If I can get another leak or two fixed I'll put the Mobil 1 to it and not worry down to 0F... I do use the block heater at home, I've got a timer setup which is super handy... -Curt Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:55:18 -0500 From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Message-ID: 00a301ca8d67$13f435c0$3bdca1...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Yesterday morning at 14F I fired my OM602 off with only one glow-barely turned a revolution. Different from the other OM 616 I had which I would double glow in the teens and sometimes triple glow when the single digits arrived. I do have block heater on the 300D (OM 602) but don't use it or need to. On my current 240D I have a jury rigged manual GP relay system-Fred recognizes the relay as a Ford relay of some kind. Anyway I just hold the button for 30, 60, 90 or however many seconds-also can use it as an afterglow of sorts for a little bit. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.? 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI This a.m. it was 27 deg F. Glowed the '87 once until the glow plug relay shut off, then re-started the relay, let her glow for another 20 seconds or so and she fired up fairly quickly. Big cloud of smoke. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks for reminding everyone of this, Curt... the light is only a suggested glow time. The glow continues for much longer after the light goes out. You can hear when the glow stops... the relay goes clunk!. My normal cold starting procedure for a OM616 or 617 is to glow until the relay clunks off, then start cranking with my foot on the pedal... don't stop cranking until it starts. 30 seconds or longer... whatever it takes. The cranking will slowly get faster and faster. The owners manual clearly states long cranking is recommended. If you stop, you might not have enough juice to glow and crank again. I've started OM617s well into the single digits with conventional oil... its all about the long glow, followed by the long crank. And having a good battery and starter, of course. Jaime '95 E320 - whatever '82 300Dt - new starter... starts well this year so far '79 300SD - in the heated garage until spring On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I've never found a temp yet that my 601 won't start at. Might find out this winter... I used to fart around with double glow in the 240D, lately I've been just glowing and waiting another 20 seconds or so after the light goes out, then crank until it starts which so far it always does even down in the teens. Thats with conventional oil. If I can get another leak or two fixed I'll put the Mobil 1 to it and not worry down to 0F... I do use the block heater at home, I've got a timer setup which is super handy... -Curt Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:55:18 -0500 From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Message-ID: 00a301ca8d67$13f435c0$3bdca1...@net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Yesterday morning at 14F I fired my OM602 off with only one glow-barely turned a revolution. Different from the other OM 616 I had which I would double glow in the teens and sometimes triple glow when the single digits arrived. I do have block heater on the 300D (OM 602) but don't use it or need to. On my current 240D I have a jury rigged manual GP relay system-Fred recognizes the relay as a Ford relay of some kind. Anyway I just hold the button for 30, 60, 90 or however many seconds-also can use it as an afterglow of sorts for a little bit. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.? 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI This a.m. it was 27 deg F. Glowed the '87 once until the glow plug relay shut off, then re-started the relay, let her glow for another 20 seconds or so and she fired up fairly quickly. Big cloud of smoke. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
I've stopped worrying about the temperature since I started driving 60x engines and running M1 -- they just start regardless of the temp -- at least down to 0. One glow, and off you go. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for reminding everyone of this, Curt... the light is only a suggested glow time. The glow continues for much longer after the light goes out. You can hear when the glow stops... the relay goes clunk!. My normal cold starting procedure for a OM616 or 617 is to glow until the relay clunks off, then start cranking with my foot on the pedal... don't stop cranking until it starts. 30 seconds or longer... whatever it takes. The cranking will slowly get faster and faster. The owners manual clearly states long cranking is recommended. If you stop, you might not have enough juice to glow and crank again. I've started OM617s well into the single digits with conventional oil... its all about the long glow, followed by the long crank. And having a good battery and starter, of course. Jaime '95 E320 - whatever '82 300Dt - new starter... starts well this year so far '79 300SD - in the heated garage until spring -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
my process when I had 61x cars that I HAD to start was to turn key on till light goes off 3 times, on the 3rd time, wait 30 seconds after the light goes off, then start cranking till it starts. Dont let up because you probably will not get a 2nd chance. Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Thanks for reminding everyone of this, Curt... the light is only a suggested glow time. The glow continues for much longer after the light goes out. You can hear when the glow stops... the relay goes clunk!. My normal cold starting procedure for a OM616 or 617 is to glow until the relay clunks off, then start cranking with my foot on the pedal... don't stop cranking until it starts. 30 seconds or longer... whatever it takes. The cranking will slowly get faster and faster. The owners manual clearly states long cranking is recommended. If you stop, you might not have enough juice to glow and crank again. I've started OM617s well into the single digits with conventional oil... its all about the long glow, followed by the long crank. And having a good battery and starter, of course. Jaime '95 E320 - whatever '82 300Dt - new starter... starts well this year so far '79 300SD - in the heated garage until spring -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yup crank until you win or crash... I find that if I'm waiting for the relay I'll never hear it, if I'd only turned the power on to open the window the thunk will scare the bejezus out of me! Having the valves set recently helps too as does running the car hard so its not all carboned up. Some years ago I had my friend's 116 300SD for a couple days. When I got it it sounded like the battery was dying (sounded like it was cranking slow I mean) so as a good friend I figured I'd clean the battery cables just in case. That didn't help so I swapped in the battery from my 240D which made no difference. So I shrugged my shoulders and put his battery back in. The car was his wife's and she mostly just made little trips to the store or to school with the kids or whatever. I drove it home from work and then out to dinner in a distant town with my wife and for a couple other things. The thing I noticed about it (and I've been told is common on the 116) is that it wanted to get into top gear really quick so I started dropping the shifter down a gear (I forget what its marked, I haven't driven an auto MB since I drove Fred's 190D) around town. When I started the car to return it I noticed that it sounded better. On the way back to work to return it I noticed it drove better, seemed to have more power too. My friend commented the next day that it was like I'd brought him a new car and wanted to know what I did. I told him to tell his wife to not have it in drive around town... -Curt Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:31:12 -0500 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Message-ID: bc94d7931001041231n674ecf38l72c5ee0c892b5...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for reminding everyone of this, Curt... the light is only a suggested glow time. The glow continues for much longer after the light goes out. You can hear when the glow stops... the relay goes clunk!. My normal cold starting procedure for a OM616 or 617 is to glow until the relay clunks off, then start cranking with my foot on the pedal... don't stop cranking until it starts. 30 seconds or longer... whatever it takes. The cranking will slowly get faster and faster. The owners manual clearly states long cranking is recommended. If you stop, you might not have enough juice to glow and crank again. I've started OM617s well into the single digits with conventional oil... its all about the long glow, followed by the long crank. And having a good battery and starter, of course. Jaime '95 E320 - whatever '82 300Dt - new starter... starts well this year so far '79 300SD - in the heated garage until spring On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I've never found a temp yet that my 601 won't start at. Might find out this winter... I used to fart around with double glow in the 240D, lately I've been just glowing and waiting another 20 seconds or so after the light goes out, then crank until it starts which so far it always does even down in the teens. Thats with conventional oil. If I can get another leak or two fixed I'll put the Mobil 1 to it and not worry down to 0F... I do use the block heater at home, I've got a timer setup which is super handy... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt Raymond wrote: Yup crank until you win or crash... Didn't somebody cook a starter doing that last month? Clay? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you cook a starting doing this, the starter needed replacement anyway. Its a good idea to replace an iffy starter before winter sets in. I just did this with my 300D. (Laying on the ground when it was 25 degrees out... I waited a bit too long). Car turns over much better now in ~20 degree cold. Jaime On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: Yup crank until you win or crash... Didn't somebody cook a starter doing that last month? Clay? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:46:32 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Yup crank until you win or crash... I find that if I'm waiting for the relay I'll never hear it ... Leave the door ajar so the interior light is on. When the glow plug relay drops out, the interior light will get noticably brighter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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For giggles, I just tried starting the 240D with -5F temps outside, and -15F when I woke up this morning. The block heater has been plugged in non-stop for at least the last week and the car was driven on Christmas day. 60 seconds preglow, cranked a while (did NOT crank until the battery died) and no start. If I really had to drive it, I'd do several 60 seconds preglows and then go for broke. But hey ... it is OLD, only one year younger than my oldest kid! At its age, I don't expect miracles. It is a senior citizen and deserves to be treated as such. That is why I drive a 300E in this sort of temps. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.netwrote: On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:46:32 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Yup crank until you win or crash... I find that if I'm waiting for the relay I'll never hear it ... Leave the door ajar so the interior light is on. When the glow plug relay drops out, the interior light will get noticably brighter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- You are what you are now because you where then. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
