By G wagons do you mean SUVs such as the GL320tdi? Heard anything good or
bad about these cars as far as repair expenses?
Thanks,
Gerry
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By G wagons do you mean SUVs such as the GL320tdi
No a G is a G -- a Gelandewagen (sp?) which is the Land Rover-looking
thing, I think they were military vehicles to begin with then got
offered to the civilian market, mostly used by Mipsie to take little
Dakota and Logan to soccer matches, and to go to mani/pedi appointments
and lunch with
Gerry Archer wrote:
By G wagons do you mean SUVs such as the GL320tdi? Heard anything good
or bad about these cars as far as repair expenses?
You meant CDI, right?
I'm not sure what the difference is between a G and a GL. If you find an old G
for less than $20k, I guarantee you're in for
than anything else.
-Max
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speaking of 4.5's
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/pts/2126185693.html
Bob R
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 8:09 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
I learned to fly and drive around the same time. I always kept one hand on
the throttle and the other on the stick (or wheel) in the airplane, and
to check where the air
intake was. With that sorted out we then proved that the door seals are good as
no water came in the cabin...
-Curt
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:17:47 -0600
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G-wagon is not a GL320. Check out this link for more info:
http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/10656/Models/Model_chart_2009_1.htm G-wagon refers to the 463 chassis series, GL is on second page, 164chassis series.
Allan Streib wrote:
he's asking 4000, not 400.
I noticed.
But it's worth closer to 400.
Mitch.
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Even on the West Coast it is definitely a seller's market for
nice used Vanagons. Tremendous GVWR, more room inside than a
Suburban, and very maneuverable. The only weakness is the
engine and
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A few people have put VW TDI engines in. Still probably not reliable
by Mercedes diesel standards.
The TDI's a great engine, if you change the timing belt on schedule
and use a good synthetic oil. Of course both of
So the one I've been discussing does sound like the harmonic balancer is loose.
Does that really mean a new crankshaft? Or can the bolt be drilled,
re-tapped/chased, and just bolt the balancer back on?
If the car really is rust free, and doesn't need the engine torn open, I might
consider
Curt Raymond wrote:
When did the 116 actually start? I know the diesels were only '79 and '80...
1972 elsewhere, 1973 here.
I once drove way too far to look at three 1972 SEs and SELs. Turned out to be a
W108 long, a W108 short, and a W114. Could have had all three for $500-600, and
they
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On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
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A few people have put VW TDI engines in. Still probably not reliable
by Mercedes diesel standards.
The TDI's a great engine, if you
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Alex Chamberlain wrote:
Even on the West Coast it is definitely a seller's market for
nice used Vanagons. Tremendous GVWR, more room inside than a
Suburban
On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:26 -0800, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
Put in a 4BT and watch the nose head for the sky...
How big is a Thermoking reefer engine? I don't think a 616 would work
but it might have enough oomph. Maybe as a mind engine? ;)
Unfortunately there's really not room
Allan Streib wrote:
So the one I've been discussing does sound like the harmonic balancer is loose.
Does that really mean a new crankshaft? Or can the bolt be drilled,
re-tapped/chased, and just bolt the balancer back on?
If the key is messed up, replace the key.
If the keyway in the
:
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Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com
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Alex Chamberlain wrote:
Even on the West Coast
apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:09 AM,
Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
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A few people have put
their
significance in the development of the product line.
Dan
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: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:57:38 -0800 (PST)
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These
were the main reasons I shied away from
One thing about a VW, unless it's one of the older 1.8l 8 valve
(non-interference) is that if you don't have PROOF of timing belt maintenance,
CHANGE IT NOW.
Allan
On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:46 -0800, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
When I bought my '03 Ranger a friend bought an '01
On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:52 -0500, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
If the key is messed up, replace the key. If the keyway in the
balancer is messed up, replace the balancer and key.
How much for a new balancer? Rusty? Kaleb?
talking about a W116 300SD.
Allan
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to change it soon which I
interpreted as right fricking now! but Bryan deferred which I presume the
previous owner had also.
-Curt
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 11:50:37 -0500
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cases difficult to get.
Dan
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Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010, 1:09 PM
Yup. It amazes me they use a belt. Of
course
I had a '91 Jetta. I never had trouble getting parts or thought they
were unusually expensive. I used German Auto Parts as my main supplier
back then. Things may have changed since then.
Paying a dealer for work on a VW has always been expensive. And for
some reason, many VW dealers have very
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote:
But Dan, they were such a huge jump from the 108/109 cars. They
established the classic layout of instruments and controls that were
used for many generations of cars.
That's an important point. One of the things I
That one thing I hate about the W163 - the controls are ALL in the worng
places! Head lights are twisting the turn signal stalk! A travesty! If I hit
a bump while resting my hand on the shifter - I downshift a gear!
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote:
You need to try an old Porsche 911. You'd have a good laugh with it!! lol
Wipers are on the stalk. Intermittent speed control for the wipers is a
turn switch, scattered across the dash somewhere with a bunch of other
switches.
Ed
300E
On 22 December 2010 16:13, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
My first MB - the '70 220D - had no labels on the controls - at all. You
were expceted to have read the manual and learned them before driving the
car.
When I first drove it, it was still my Grandfather's. He let us take it into
Minneapolis one afternoon. It was dark when we left to return, and we
Sounds like my first time in the 911. Hot humid day, and it started to
rain. The windows all steamed up. I had to pull over to read the manual to
figure out how the climate control switches, levers, and buttons all
worked. I made it home ok, but I'm still not sure I know all the various
levers
Alex Chamberlain wrote:
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Allan Streib
str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
A few people have put VW TDI engines in. Still probably not
reliable by Mercedes diesel standards.
The TDI's a great engine, if you change the timing belt on
schedule and use a good
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Good points, and ones that I heard far too many times when researching my last
used car purchase.
I
saw a LOT of nice used
E M pokieba...@gmail.com writes:
Sounds like my first time in the 911. Hot humid day, and it started to
rain. The windows all steamed up. I had to pull over to read the manual to
figure out how the climate control switches, levers, and buttons all
worked. I made it home ok, but I'm still
Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com writes:
From what I've heard (including Dan from this list), A VW TDI in
a Vanagon does not hold up. I want the durability of a Cummins
or OM617, not a 50,000 mile wear item.
They will hold up decently if you don't flog them. Most people don't
have the patience not to.
sounds like a $200 car.
On 12/21/2010 7:48 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
Kaleb C. Striplinka...@striplin.net writes:
That is great news, I hope it holds true. I have a whole bunch of
116's sitting around that I am thinking about sending to the crusher
as nobody wants 116 parts. Right now it
ML is a 'merican Mercedes, not a real Mercedes it seems.
That one thing I hate about the W163 - the controls are ALL in the worng
places! Head lights are twisting the turn signal stalk! A travesty! If I hit
a bump while resting my hand on the shifter - I downshift a gear!
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010
Dieselhead wrote:
ML is a 'merican Mercedes, not a real Mercedes it seems.
Real Mercedes can do this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmwGNoXcvuo
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Don, Your a bad boy. :-) My dad taught me to never lay a hand on
the shifter till I'm ready to shift. Bad for the synchronizers
you know.
Manfred
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:13:41 -0600
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Somehow, I don't think ANY of the G wagons around here have done anything
like that - probably haven't been off-road.
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Dieselhead wrote:
ML is a 'merican Mercedes, not a real Mercedes it seems.
Real Mercedes can do this:
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These
were the main reasons I shied away from buying a VW for my last car
purchase. Without some sort
I learned to fly and drive around the same time. I always kept one hand on
the throttle and the other on the stick (or wheel) in the airplane, and one
hand on the wheel, and the other on the shifter in the car (VW bug) -- been
doing it the same ever since. No trouble with syncros yet :-) , just
Most of the 4WD vehicles I see off road, other than farm pickups in a
field, are rolled over in a ditch, or in the ditch after a little
snow or ice.
If I can't get down the road in my MB or van with Blizzacks, it is
time to be home or holed up. The exception is 3/4 or one tons with
snow
Hi David,
Max is right... the best thing to do it keep in contact with the
classic center and Tom Hansen. They're quite dedicated to keeping the
enthusiasts well supplied with what they need. There have been parts
that go out of stock, then go back in production when demand is
suitable. (For
with a family sedan, never a
hot item for collectors.
Peter
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.
It's also expensive to restore one and you end up with a family sedan,
never a hot item for collectors.
Peter
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On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote:
valued for years. W116s are next (believe me, start buying them!).
In a few more years (maybe 10+), everyone will be collecting W123s,
and even W126s. Just watch.
I think even the rarer 124s (coupes and
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So you mean my perfectly rust-free, mostly-original-paint 280SEL 4.5 might be
worth something?!
The market in California is clearly different than everywhere else. Here,
rust-free, running, decent looking 108s are on Craigslist regularly for months
and people can't give them away. $2500 seems
] 4.5 Value
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 11:38 AM
So you mean my perfectly rust-free,
mostly-original-paint 280SEL 4.5 might be worth something?!
The market in California is clearly different than
everywhere else. Here, rust-free, running, decent looking
108s
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 8:38 AM, David Bruckmann
bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote:
So you mean my perfectly rust-free, mostly-original-paint 280SEL 4.5 might be
worth something?!
The market in California is clearly different than everywhere else.
Same for western Oregon and Washington.
, there's just this little problem of getting the
Chairman of the Finance Committee to agree.
-Max
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Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
W116s are next (believe me,
start buying them!). In a few more years (maybe 10+), everyone
will be collecting W123s, and even W126s. Just watch.
Well then, I'm ahead of the game. I have a collection of 123s
already!! *grin*
-- Philip
that
this will happen is pretty slim.
At least that's my take on it.
Dan
--- On Tue, 12/21/10, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca
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Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010
--- On Tue, 12/21/10, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:
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Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 2:24 PM
Geez, now I'm up there in
years! Well if that ain't a depressing thought,
I don't
Sounds like I need to head out to california with a car hauler!
Every time I visit out west I'm tempted. One of these days I'll find
the time, money, and courage to fly out, buy something, and drive it
back here to NJ.
Jaime
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:38 AM, David Bruckmann
takes about 5
minutes to dismount and remount the plow.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:24:27 -0500
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Geez, now I'm up there in years! Well if that ain't a depressing thought,
I don't know what
never seen a Lancia in person before...
-Curt
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here in Calif., prices are all over the map,... you can find clapped out
Kaleb Specials (no offense intended, Kaleb!) all day, but anything
actually in good condition is probably going to cost you.
i'm most familiar with W123 diesels (since that's what i have and
watch). a strange thing has
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
One of our former demo guys drives a Vanagon because he claims its one of
the best audio equipment hauling vehicles that he can take into the city
because
he can parallel park it like nobody's business.
Even on the West
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Sounds like time for a $2 oil sucker?
Warm it up, suck it out, pour in the new stuff and leave the plow attached.
Randy
On 21/12
That is great news, I hope it holds true. I have a whole bunch of
116's sitting around that I am thinking about sending to the
crusher as nobody wants 116 parts. Right now it seems like the
123 and early 126 cars are the cheap beater cars (in that phase
right now). It would be great to get
So where is a good place to sell these cars? Ebay still?
On 12/21/2010 11:35 AM, LWB250 wrote:
I think a lot of this has to do with the market, that is, the buyers. Consider the age
of these cars (W108, W111) and you can understand that the people who would show an
interest are up there in
I think the really good ones must first all be snapped up, before any
attention will turn to what's left, and where people will start putting
money into them as collectors. I'd still love a 560 SEL. They're out
there, but try to find a good one, that's worry of collecting right now.
Last year, I
I'd guess locally, through word of mouth, or your local Buy and Sell or CL
list. I can't imagine anyone willing to travel too far to buy a $1000 car,
especially if the condition is only so-so, as to whether or not the car can
be driven home.
For me, a 45 minute drive is about as far as I'll go
I can't imagine anyone willing to travel too far to buy a $1000 car,
especially if the condition is only so-so, as to whether or not the car can
be driven home.
Agreed, if it is so-so, but if I can drive it 700-1000 miles home, I would
definitely fly out somewhere
where cars don't rust and
Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes:
That is great news, I hope it holds true. I have a whole bunch of
116's sitting around that I am thinking about sending to the crusher
as nobody wants 116 parts. Right now it seems like the 123 and early
126 cars are the cheap beater cars (in
Allan Streib wrote:
An acquaintance of mine is wanting to sell me his W116 300SD. It
frankly sounds like a basket case. He says it has no rust, but needs a
new crankshaft (?!) and the AC doesn't work, and the heater blower
doesn't work, and the vacuum system is leaking (has to use the stop
thought so
Dan
--- On Tue, 12/21/10, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
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writes:
That is great news, I hope
Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
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Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010
Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes:
Allan Streib wrote:
An acquaintance of mine is wanting to sell me his W116 300SD. It
frankly sounds like a basket case. He says it has no rust, but needs a
new crankshaft (?!) and the AC doesn't work, and the heater blower
doesn't work, and the vacuum
Alex Chamberlain wrote:
Even on the West Coast it is definitely a seller's market for
nice used Vanagons. Tremendous GVWR, more room inside than a
Suburban, and very maneuverable. The only weakness is the
engine and transmission, but that can be alleviated with a
Subaru drivetrain
Just grab aSupabrew Diesel in oz or elsewhere outside Norte
Amerika. Then graft it in...
Alex Chamberlain wrote:
Even on the West Coast it is definitely a seller's market for
nice used Vanagons. Tremendous GVWR, more room inside than a
Suburban, and very maneuverable. The only
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