Hi David Mark,
On Mar 21, 2012, at 7:46 PM, David Harding davidjhard...@gmail.com wrote:
David:
So we just need to have a goal of DQ and not sq? So if I just have a goal of
DQ, then I need not worry about the patterns I am creating?
Mark:
Not a goal of DQ, a goal of understanding. Why
Again hello David Mark,
On Mar 21, 2012, at 7:46 PM, David Harding davidjhard...@gmail.com wrote:
David:
So we just need to have a goal of DQ and not sq? So if I just have a goal of
DQ, then I need not worry about the patterns I am creating?
Mark:
Not a goal of DQ, a goal of
The normal process Tuukka, for those without direct contact is that
you write your letter of introduction / request for contact
(explaining why) and this is forwarded to him by one of us who has his
contact (Horse, Dave, Ant, me and a few others I know).
That way he can decide if he wants to
From: dmbucha...@hotmail.com
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Subject: RE: [MD] The value of static patterns.
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 07:16:12 -0600
Tuukka said to dmb:
... But I think it's better to recruit new members, somehow, than to complain
to the current ones.
dmb says:
There's no
LOL indeed! Have you read Pirsig's letter to the LS group?
Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark
On Mar 21, 2012, at 8:12 PM, Tuukka Virtaperko m...@tuukkavirtaperko.net
wrote:
21.3.2012 23:46, david buchanan kirjoitti:
Tukka said to Joe, Marsha, DMB:
Marsha may be incoherent or weird,
Hi David,
Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark
On Mar 21, 2012, at 8:37 PM, David Harding davidjhard...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Mark,
What is this 20 questions? I have no problem answering, but do you have any
opinions of your own.
Not really at the moment no.. I have written a bit in
Hi Marsha,
One must be careful how one uses the term infinite. It could suggest that
causes do not exist.
Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark
On Mar 22, 2012, at 12:58 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Hi David Mark,
On Mar 21, 2012, at 7:46 PM, David Harding
Hi Marsha,
What Pisig's is suggesting, IMO, is the presence of free will, which I equate
with DQ. He also throws in a bit of Zen.
Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark
On Mar 22, 2012, at 1:44 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Again hello David Mark,
On Mar 21, 2012, at 7:46 PM,
Hi dmb,
Thank you for your support below.
Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark
On Mar 22, 2012, at 6:18 AM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote:
From: dmbucha...@hotmail.com
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Subject: RE: [MD] The value of static patterns.
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012
Hello everyone
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:23 AM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
LOL indeed! Have you read Pirsig's letter to the LS group?
Hi Mark
Unless you mean he has written a new letter that I am unaware of, I
think you mean the letter to the OLD Lila Squad group... the one that
had
Mark,
It's a quote from Nisargadatta, I would have used the word 'innumerable'.
Marsha
On Mar 22, 2012, at 1:30 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Marsha,
One must be careful how one uses the term infinite. It could suggest that
causes do not exist.
Sent laboriously from
Hi Marsha,
Innumerable is pretty much the same thing, to me, so it also depends
on how it is used. Do you mean cannot be counted? If it cannot be
counted it cannot be defined, and we arrive at DQ which lies outside
cause and effect. If it can be counted, then a better word would be
finite.
Hi Dan,
Thank you for the appraisal of the letter. I would assume it applies
to LS in general and not to the specific contributors therein. At
least that is how the letter is written as far as I can tell. He
speaks of MoQ considerations outside of the norm. I suppose we
could call these insane
Hello everyone
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:45 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Dan,
Thank you for the appraisal of the letter. I would assume it applies
to LS in general and not to the specific contributors therein.
Hi Mark
Thank you for confirming my suspicions.
Dan
Hi DMB,
To start a post with the statement below and then continue the criticism
leaves you open to the observation that possibly you are viewing things from
a weird perspective.
Joe
On 3/22/12 6:18 AM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote:
There's no way to know for sure
Mark to Dan:
Some who read my posts do not understand what I am presenting (dmb forexample).
The posts are not written for those who can only go by the written word of the
books or the academic authority within philosophy.For such posts rely on an
intuitive understanding of Quality, to be
Mark,
I mean very numerable.
Marsha
On Mar 22, 2012, at 2:37 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Marsha,
Innumerable is pretty much the same thing, to me, so it also depends
on how it is used. Do you mean cannot be counted? If it cannot be
counted it cannot be defined, and we arrive
Probably better stated as very numerous.
On Mar 22, 2012, at 4:59 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Mark,
I mean very numerable.
Marsha
On Mar 22, 2012, at 2:37 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Marsha,
Innumerable is pretty much the same thing, to me, so it also
Marsha,
OK, I get it, so you mean finite. This is of course different from
the infinite of the quote, but who knows if the translation is
accurate. If the intent is to provide rhetoric meaning a lot, then
we can say that there are conditional codependent arising starting
from some begining. The
Hi Andre,
Thank you for your support as well. You have a Good heart!
Cheers,
Mark
On 3/22/12, Andre andrebroer...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark to Dan:
Some who read my posts do not understand what I am presenting (dmb
forexample). The posts are not written for those who can only go by the
written
Hi Dan,
You’re welcome. Let me know if I can confirm any other suspicions.
There seems to be a paranoid sense in the MoQ these days, which
hopefully I can un-confirm for you. My hope is that you will be kind
to others that contribute to this forum as you have been to me.
Remember, we strive for
Ian,
thanks a lot!
-Tuukka
22.3.2012 10:53, Ian Glendinning kirjoitti:
The normal process Tuukka, for those without direct contact is that
you write your letter of introduction / request for contact
(explaining why) and this is forwarded to him by one of us who has his
contact (Horse, Dave,
DMB,
Tuukka said to dmb:
... But I think it's better to recruit new members, somehow, than to complain
to the current ones.
dmb says:
There's no way to know for sure but I strongly suspect that a number of Pirsig
fans have become excited about joining this forum but investigated the level
Mark,
No. Where is it? I'll see if I can find it without much hassle...
-Tuukka
22.3.2012 19:23, 118 kirjoitti:
LOL indeed! Have you read Pirsig's letter to the LS group?
Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark
On Mar 21, 2012, at 8:12 PM, Tuukka Virtaperkom...@tuukkavirtaperko.net
wrote:
Interesting link to discussions. Mark?
Moq_Discuss mailing list
Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
Archives:
http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
http://moq.org/md/archives.html
Okay, one more time, only this time I'll actually include the link:
http://chronicle.com/article/Is-Free-Will-an-Illusion-/131159/
Moq_Discuss mailing list
Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
Archives:
Hello everyone
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 4:52 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Dan,
You’re welcome. Let me know if I can confirm any other suspicions.
There seems to be a paranoid sense in the MoQ these days, which
hopefully I can un-confirm for you. My hope is that you will be kind
Yup interesting but not too dynamic. The past does not the present describe.
Was there a free will one in particular that caught your interest?
Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark
On Mar 22, 2012, at 7:45 PM, Carl Thames ctha...@centurytel.net wrote:
Interesting link to discussions. Mark?
Oh, disregard my last communication...
Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark
On Mar 22, 2012, at 7:46 PM, Carl Thames ctha...@centurytel.net wrote:
Okay, one more time, only this time I'll actually include the link:
http://chronicle.com/article/Is-Free-Will-an-Illusion-/131159/
Moq_Discuss
Gee I can't remember it has been a while. Somewhere in the MoQ.org. What I
got from it was that RMP believes one should push the boundaries of our
conception of Quality.
You are doing this. Others still seem to be stuck in the static past. Maybe
they will clean their glasses and try to be
Hi Mark,
Changing oneself does seem a little paradoxical from one that does not
accept the conventional notion of a self. Who'd be changing, and changing
what? To me that change, while not so easy, is not so complicated. To me,
that change is to know deeply the way things are. Not
Hi Dan,
I am sorry that you consider it drivel. I suppose it is not your cup of tea,
but that is OK, don't worry about it.
The paranoia is simply that you do not see MoQ going your way. This is
called stuckness. Perhaps your time has come and gone, but I think you can
still contribute some
Hi Marsha,
Yes, I try to come to peace with what is. Often acceptance is the best way.
With acceptance comes great freedom. But then I want to keep moving and so I
dismiss acceptance and enter turmoil for a while. It is a cycle of pain,
growth, peace, pain, growth, ...
There is so much to
Hi Mark,
Yes, you've got it. It is cyclical for me. No sudden enlightenment. I seem
sometimes not to get it even when I have gotten it. Human, all too human...
Marsha
On Mar 23, 2012, at 1:07 AM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Marsha,
Yes, I try to come to peace with what
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