MD MOQ_DISCUSS CHARTER AND RULES

1999-01-26 Thread Horse
Hi All On 12 Jan 99, at 1:52, Glen Dickey wrote: Rules without a rational are annoying at best. If the group is going to willing submit to some form of regulation, then it seems to follow that the group should benefit in some way from doing so. Could some kind soul please enlighten me as

Re: MD Values within values

1999-02-11 Thread Horse
. Anyway, I could probably go on for a lot longer but suffice to say that I am in agreement with David here that the Libertarian Socialist ethos is not confused (nor is it wrong). I'm also in agreement with David as this is the political ideology to which I also subscribe. Horse MOQ

Re: MD Stuck in the Dakotas

1999-02-22 Thread Horse
st :) One point I would make here is also from my last post: Horse If you don't take an active part in the governance of your society then you have no grounds for complaint So how comes you've not contributed more in order to raise the standard? Two posts this month as opposed to 31

Re: MD Unsubscribe me

1999-02-23 Thread Horse
Fintan On 23 Feb 99, at 20:00, Fintan Dunne wrote: Unsubscribe me please. If you wish to unsubscribe then follow these instructions: to unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with UNSUBSCRIBE MOQ_DISCUSS in body of email Horse MOQ Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http

RE: MD Zen, DQ, and Cosmotheism.

1999-02-28 Thread Horse
up our own minds. I'll see if I can find some of them. Thanks again. Horse MOQ Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/

Re: MD the Presumption of Innocence

1999-03-02 Thread Horse
ementation is apparent at a social level the value that precedes it is intellect. Anyone else? Horse MOQ Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/

Re: MD the Presumption of Innocence

1999-03-03 Thread Horse
on of guilt is for the benefit of the institutions of society. On 2 Mar 99, at 7:47, Kevin Sanchez wrote: In answering Rick's quiry, Horse reverts to the vaguest of terms - justice. I have no such folly to believe "justice" is necessary in the MOQ. Justice is a stuffy Western idea

Re: MD Stuck in the Dakotas

1999-03-05 Thread Horse
a Rational point of view? Horse? Anyone else? Gee, thanks Jeff :) Why don't I keep my fingers shut. This is a tricky one, to be sure. If we look at the above passage in the context of Nirvana then a rational approach would hardly seem to do it justice. However Pirsigs rephrasing of it, seems to give

Re: MD Stuck in the Dakotas

1999-03-06 Thread Horse
st to do it in a less structured fashion - suck it and see? Horse MOQ Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/

MD Forum Charter and Rules - Monthly Post

1999-03-06 Thread Horse
its URL). 8) Members should refrain from swearing, using offensive language and personal attacks on other members. Abuse, in any form, will not be tolerated. *** Horse [EMAIL PROTECTED] MOQ_DISCUSS Administrator MOQ Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail

Re: MD the Presumption of Innocence

1999-03-09 Thread Horse
Hi Kevin and folks On 7 Mar 99, at 1:47, Kevin Sanchez wrote: Horse answered my statement - that justice should left out of the MoQ - by questioning whether my following statement does not embody the essence of justice: "Therefore, I say, the MoQ supports the concept behind &quo

Re: MD Website bios

1999-03-10 Thread Horse
] Horse MOQ Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/

RE: MD The 99 Percent Solution?

1999-03-14 Thread Horse
in terms of the simplest explanation. I believe that Roger is applying the principle of parsimony or Ockham's (Occam's) Razor to the foundations of the MOQ. Horse MOQ Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/

RE: MD The 99 Percent Solution?

1999-03-14 Thread Horse
ugh time to consider your post properly yet but I shall do so over the next couple of days or so. Horse MOQ Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/

MD Approve Unsubscribe

1999-03-14 Thread Horse
approve MD99 unsubscribe moq_discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] MOQ Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/

Re: MD The 99 Percent Solution?

1999-03-18 Thread Horse
I'm happy with any of the following as they essentially say the same thing: 1) Change (Horse) 2) Potential (Jonathan) 3) How things become (Magnus) Ialso agree with much of what David B. says and what I have said myself in the past. DQ is essentially unknowable as knowing is a static value. I'm

Re: MD Capitalizing sq

1999-04-10 Thread Horse
Hiya On 10 Apr 99, at 17:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS Horse and Kevin, have you noticed that Kevin's mail is getting incorrect date stamps in your alt.venus MOQ discuss post library?? I don't know why.But I suspect this pattern is some kind of SOM conspiracy designed to sow

MD FORUM CHARTER AND RULES

1999-04-13 Thread Horse
thanks to Peter O'Neil for his timely and early warning. Hopefully no-one has been inconvenienced by this problem and everyone had the good sense to check the file before running it. Charter and rules follow Horse MOQ_DISCUSS Administrator

MD URGENT - VIRUS WARNING - GLOVES POST

1999-04-13 Thread Horse
TO ALL MEMBERS OF MOQ_DISCUSS F-PROT HAS WARNED OF A VIRUS CONTAINED IN GLOVE'S POST OF Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:28:22 +0100 (BST) DO NOT OPEN THIS FILE DISCARD IMMEDIATELY Horse MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ Unsubscribe

Re: MD Mysticism

1999-05-01 Thread Horse
ual sphere. As for "the connecting point" in MOQ terms perhaps this is the point at which one "Abandons all static patterns in favor of pure Dynamic Quality"? Horse MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ Unsubscribe - http://www.mo

RE: MD the mystic

1999-05-01 Thread Horse
have you (or anyone else) come across a term which describes the position between when faith is first questioned and when it becomes either supportable or dogmatic. Horse MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ Unsubscribe - h

Re: MD FORUM CHARTER AND RULES

1999-05-16 Thread Horse
to just rely on the good-will, common sense and recognition of Quality of contributing members. Please read through the following Charter and Rules. Enjoy. Horse [EMAIL PROTECTED] MOQ_DISCUSS Administrator * MOQ_DISCUSS CHARTER The MOQ_DISCUSS

Re: MD Platypal Radicii

1999-05-23 Thread Horse
have any comments? Horse MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ Unsubscribe - http://www.moq.org/md/index.html MD Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

MD Re: perfectability and convergence

1999-05-24 Thread Horse
s pure social level garbage. It does not exist, it has never existed and, in all likelihood will never exist in anything like the form you seem to believe in. Horse MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ Unsubscribe - http://www.moq.

Re: MD Platypal Radicii

1999-05-24 Thread Horse
HORSE GETS THE HORN TURNS INTO UNICORN, DISCOVERS HE IS ONLY A FICTION IN SOMEONE ELSES REALITY AND DISAPPEARS UP HIS OWN BOTTOM IN AN ENORMOUS PUFF OF, ER. SOMETHING QUITE PUNGENT AND RELAXING (AND CONSIDERING THE SIZE OF HIS HORN YOU CAN'T IMAGINE THE PAIN INVOLVED!) On 23 May 99

Re: MD Good and the MoQ.

1999-05-24 Thread Horse
bly explain this better than me but I thought I'd lob a few initial thoughts in to try and get things started. Horse MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ Unsubscribe - http://www.moq.org/md/index.html MD Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: MD Low quality people, low quality philosophy?

1999-05-24 Thread Horse
ople whose philosophies and ideas you don't like on hearsay and cheap prejudice at least be consistent. Horse MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ Unsubscribe - http://www.moq.org/md/index.html MD Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: MD Re: perfectability and convergence

1999-05-24 Thread Horse
. But exactly the same case can be made against Capitalism as well and normally is. Except that the intellectual value of Capitalism is of a lower order. Horse MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ Unsubscribe - http://www.moq.org/md

Re: MD Re: perfectability and convergence

1999-05-25 Thread Horse
into it to show that what they did was wrong? I think you've missed the point of what I've said. The accomplishments of an individual stand on their own as good or bad. The character of the person is irrelevant to the argument. Horse MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http

RE: MD Good and the MoQ - Pt1

1999-05-26 Thread Horse
at is good?' my answer is that good is good and there is an end to the matter"). As you seem to espouse a non-naturalist ethic, Magnus, may I ask you how you discern this 'good?' Intuition perhaps? Horse pointed out that this whole question derives from the fact/value debate which bri

RE: MD Good and the MoQ - Pt1

1999-05-28 Thread Horse
Hi There On 27 May 99, at 5:44, Struan Hellier wrote: Horse: "As Struan has mentioned Moore's position regarding good, and Moore's position is solidly emotivist, I'd like to say something about it. When Moore states: "If I am asked "What is good", my answer is that good

Re: MD Quality of our discussion

1999-05-30 Thread Horse
d coats. Oh well, I suppose all the world is out of step but me. Hmmm!!! :) Horse MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ Unsubscribe - http://www.moq.org/md/index.html MD Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

MD The nature of natural law

1999-05-31 Thread Horse
have inadvertently closed the door to Dynamic Quality in the buying and selling of things. They close it because the metaphysical structure of their objectivity never told them Dynamic Quality exists." (Lila, Chp. 17) Horse: "On the other hand the conservatives who keep trumpeting ab

Re: MD The nature of natural law

1999-05-31 Thread Horse
ange and warped notions. Bob replies: You have made my day. Thank you. No problem. Now you can read the book (again?). As I don't see this argument going anywhere this is the last post I'll be doing for this subject. Horse MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://

MD The nature of natural law

1999-05-31 Thread Horse
the loaves and fishes to make a bit of spare cash. Why not try reading Lila again Bob. This time with an open mind and without the idea of justifying your strange and warped notions. Horse "Making history, it turned out, was quite easy. It was what got written down. It was as simple as that!

Re: MD FORUM CHARTER AND RULES

1999-06-05 Thread Horse
. I'm not doing this maliciously and I know it's a pain, but when 75% of the mail I receive is bounced from mailservers due to non-delivery I'm not going to bother to be patient and wait. (Technobabble Mod OFF) Horse Administrator - MOQ_DISCUSS Mailing List

Re: MD The reason for Righteousness

1999-06-27 Thread Horse
ion? Again there was no need except for revenge. Similarly, Dresden was a revenge bombing and also quite unnecessary. Horse MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ Unsubscribe - http://www.moq.org/md/index.html MD Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: MD Independence Day - 4th of July.

1999-07-03 Thread Horse
Parliament with honest intentions and we had to give him bad press. There's no justice! Horse MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ Unsubscribe - http://www.moq.org/md/index.html MD Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

MD Rules, Relevance, Hijacking etc.

1999-07-11 Thread Horse
leave much time for other things - but the activity is only temporary and normal service will be resumed shortly. I'll get around to some of the other points in another post but it's late now and I need some sleep. Horse MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http

Re: MD rules relevance and hijacking

1999-07-14 Thread Horse
would make a final request to MD members to wait until the end of the months discussion on the LS before taking it up over here and **please** do not to cross-post. Horse MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ Unsubscribe - http://www.

Re: MD hello

1999-07-15 Thread Horse
ome out. It doesn't happen too often. Normal service will return very shortly. Horse MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ Unsubscribe - http://www.moq.org/md/index.html MD Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

MD (Fwd) Pirsig interview.

1999-07-16 Thread Horse
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Clark" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Pirsig interview. Date sent: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:52:07 -0500 Squad, There is an interview with Pirsig which can be found

Re: MD Robert 4 --MOQ 0

1999-07-26 Thread Horse
Hi All On 26 Jul 99, at 21:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROGER PROPOSES A REBUTAL TO ROBERT'S CHALLENGE ON THE MD Robert, Horse, Bo and the SQUAD Robert's recent LS post, titled "Cartesian Not SOM Dualism" was pretty much a point-by-point negation of the Metaphysics of Qu

Re: MD Ohh Betty!!

1999-08-24 Thread Horse
Hi Struan On 24 Aug 99, at 17:56, Struan Hellier wrote: Greetings, Prolific, if a little unoriginal. :-) Horse? Not quite sure really. Seems to be a case of someone letting a friend use their machine and the friend subscribes to the list. Pillock! Still I've unsubscribed him/her so

Re: MD Clear mind?

1999-10-21 Thread Horse
e hysteria that is a trademark of the reaction to this culture. Have a good read Horse MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ Unsubscribe - http://www.moq.org/md/index.html MD Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

MD How to Unsubscribe

1999-11-25 Thread Horse
/subscribe.html Cheers Horse MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ Unsubscribe - http://www.moq.org/md/index.html MD Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: MD Life Ain't Nothing but Money and Bitches

1999-12-16 Thread Horse
more difficult and requires some thought. To use a moral compass you need to know more than where you are and where you want to go. A good first step is to work out if the damn thing works! Horse MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail

Re: MD test

1999-12-18 Thread Horse
On 18 Dec 99, at 11:03, David Buchanan wrote: pt. I deny it. I've only had two drinks all evening. :) MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ Unsubscribe - http://www.moq.org/md/index.html MD Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: MD Life Ain't Nothing but Money and Bitches

1999-12-20 Thread Horse
Hi Platt and Squad I've snipped a few bits here and there in order to abbreviate the post a little but hopefully kept the core text. On 18 Dec 99, at 15:53, Platt Holden wrote: Hi Horse: Glad to see you jump in on the morality discussions. As usual, your post is provocative

Re: MD Bottom up Morality

1999-12-21 Thread Horse
Hi Walter I've snipped some of your post - hope you don't mind. On 19 Dec 99, at 14:43, Walter Balestra wrote: I am interested in what Horse is going to answer to Platt's questions about the absoluteness of universal morality vs the relativity of answers to moral questions when made

Re: MD Looking out for one another

1999-12-27 Thread Horse
interpretations and conclusions, so why not show how either he is incorrect or you (and others) are correct within the context of the MoQ without flaming, being unpleasant or using Emotivist argument. Think you can do it? Horse MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http

Re: MD Life Ain't Nothing but Money and Bitches

1999-12-27 Thread Horse
Hi Platt Squad On 22 Dec 99, at 22:40, Platt Holden wrote: Horse, your recent contributions to the discussion are like a breath of fresh air. I cannot hope to match the depth and breadth of your answers to my questions. You make a good case for “context” as opposed to “contextualism

MD Re:Free Will

1999-12-28 Thread Horse
Hi Rog On 27 Dec 99, at 22:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Horse, Why all the sudden doubts about free will and the MOQ? I know you always thought Pirsig's explanation was funky (I agree), but you seem to have shifted to a more sceptical view than before..? Doubts? Scepticism? Who

RE: MD Bottom Up Morality

2000-01-06 Thread Horse
to patterns that have optimal potential to let DQ be realised to the best extend. Now we have Morality as a continuum towards the optimal realization of DQ, but that leaves us with the nature of the Good. HORSE CONTINUES: What emerges from a conflict between (or within) levels

Re: MD Am I being too simple? Simplistic?

2000-01-08 Thread Horse
g as the traditional Moral is to the MoQ moral. If you begin with a completely different metaphysical starting point but continue to try and superimpose traditional definitions on top you get the sort of problems we are seeing now. MoQ Moral and S/O Moral are as different as MoQ Good and S/O

MD Unsubscribing

2000-01-10 Thread Horse
To unsubscribe mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] not moq_discuss. Or alternatively go to the MoQ web-site for more details. Horse MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ Unsubscribe - http://www.moq.org/md/index.html MD Queries - [EMAIL

Re: MD XXXX this for a game of Conkers.

2000-01-15 Thread Horse
Sorry Chaps - Minor typo at the start of my post - it should have read as follows: Hi Struan and Jonathan On 9 Jan 00, at 13:17, Struan Hellier wrote: X is perfectly sufficient, more concise, less confusing and very elegant. And says nothing! - X has no content, no context, and certainly

MD Subjects, Objects, Dichotomies and Metaphysics

2000-01-16 Thread Horse
hink about includes everything then the dichotomy(division) of subject and object is the division of everything into either subject or object (or both in some cases). This doesn't sound too far from the notion of A subject/object metaphysics which could include any or many of the western philosophical

MD Computer Choice

2000-02-15 Thread Horse
hoose and experience the world. Horse MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ MD Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at: http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html

Re: MD truth

2000-02-19 Thread Horse
Hi All On 19 Feb 00, at 12:55, Matthew Ketchum wrote: Horse wrote: SNIP Interesting comment. You seem to have revealed the paradox of multiple truths. I wasn't aware that a paradox exists. If I'm right that there is only one way that reality is, then we can simply dismiss all

Re: MD horse's accusation

2000-02-20 Thread Horse
in bringing it up was merely to remind those using the terminology - not to admonish or ridicule or whatever. Objectivity and subjectivity are useful in their own limited way but as with most S/O thinking, tend to severely limit the scope of a concept and the means of expression. Horse

Re: MD NT and NF

2000-03-11 Thread Horse
, oddly enough, is the same as when I was Myers-Briggs categorised about 4 years ago. I also spent a day on an MB course learning the basics. There doesn't seem to be much knowledge about exactly why it works, just that it does - or perhaps that was just the counsellor!. Strange. Horse

Re: MD complete silence!

2000-03-19 Thread Horse
Hi All On 19 Mar 00, at 17:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, should people have more faith in God or Science.? Should people have faith? Horse MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ MD Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe

MD Faith, Dogma and Belief

2000-03-27 Thread Horse
5 Mar 2000, at 22:58, Jonathan B. Marder wrote: So when Horse asks: Should people have faith? I really don't know what question he is really asking. Furthermore, when Horse says: I [snip] disagree that [snip] we cannot live without faith... I ask him if he really BELIEVES this? This is especially

Re: MD Faith, Dogma and Belief

2000-03-30 Thread Horse
Hi Jonathan and MD On 28 Mar 2000, at 10:11, Jonathan Marder wrote: Horse brings up the TRUTH word again in its objective sense, to which I must give my oft repeated statement that TRUTH and REALITY are not the same. No. I used the TRUE word. TRUTH (for me) is a whole other kettle

Re: MD Moral Sense?

2000-03-30 Thread Horse
values? That the nature of our experience is primarily moral? But if reality consists of value, value and nothing but value then logically we would HAVE to sense value before anything else.What else is there? Horse MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk

MD (Fwd) BOUNCE moq_discuss@venus.co.uk: Approval required:

2000-04-15 Thread Horse
Approve: moq_discuss.pass From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Apr 14 03:00:28 2000 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by mill.venus.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01870 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 03:00:27 +0100 (BST) From: [EMAIL

Re: MD The DEFINITION of Insanity

2000-04-26 Thread Horse
with and for how long. Problem? What problem? Horse MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ MD Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at: http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html

MD God After Darwin

2000-05-05 Thread Horse
en banging on about for some time now - autopoesis - but this doesn't seem to be continued later in the paper. Anyway, I'll bugger off and have another good read of it and let some other folk say a few words before I come back for another go. Horse MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http:/

MD Where'd they all go????

2000-05-16 Thread Horse
and it's easier or more appropriate to discuss it here then that's what happens. MOQ.ORG offers the luxury of choice - no-one else does as far as I'm aware. Horse MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ MD Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED

MD Quality and Morality

2000-05-16 Thread Horse
) are the same thing. Obviously they are related and closely dependent but not, I believe, identical. Horse MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ MD Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions

Re: MD MOQ is alive and kicking

2000-06-21 Thread Horse
. Even fewer are still engaged in keeping MOQ.ORG going and providing everyone else with the means to discuss Pirsigs work. Well done Glove. Reserve me a hard copy of the book when it comes out - signed by the Author of course. Horse MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http

Re: MD problem

2000-07-01 Thread Horse
her. For example, Eliminative Materialism denies the existence of anything EXCEPT matter and Paul Churchland is considered enough of a serious philosopher to be included on philosophy courses. JON: I'm no expert, but I think he may be right. I'm not an expert (or a professional, but I am ser

MD Outage

2000-07-14 Thread Horse
Hi All There will be some system maintenance at the MOQ.ORG hosting company tonight for a few hours. The site and mailserver will probably be down for a short period. Horse MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ MD Queries - [EMAIL

MD Re: MoQ Conference

2000-08-16 Thread Horse
Hi Rich, Jon et. al. Definitely interested in this one - let me have a think over and a read of what's suggested and I'll get back. Horse MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ MD Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from

MD MoQ Conference

2000-08-20 Thread Horse
to get something good together. I'll also offer whatever services I can to help get it up and going. BTW - in answer to your question: "Maybe it's still too early for this kind of thing. What'd'you think?" I think it's a great idea and probably about the right time to give it a

Re: MD Pirsig's letter - A response

2000-11-03 Thread Horse
c and logical place (with obviously no place for mysticism or other such hippy shit) would be good enough to give us poor gormless gumby Pirsigians the benefit of your incredible wisdom. Humbly yours Horse MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/

MD Structure, Charters and Rules

2000-11-12 Thread Horse
monly subscribed-to protocols, and without any central control; .this being a new medium, there are many misunderstandings." HORSE: There is no list moderator for moq_discuss but there IS a list-master - ME, and if necessary it would be down to me to do any imposing. However contrary to

MD EITHER/OR, BOTH/AND

2000-12-10 Thread Horse
d of analysis that cannot cope with this in that the F/~F exists as a set of potentials within the set of possible expressions within a mode of interpretation. HORSE INTERJECTS: That something is both A AND ~A simultaneously is one of the fundamental principles of Fuzzy Logic/Thinking. The main problem w

Re: MD EITHER/OR, BOTH/AND

2000-12-11 Thread Horse
iew, but that's life :-) Horse MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ MD Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at: http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html

RE: MD Strawman and Harmony

2000-12-23 Thread Horse
cessarily_ presented in a disreputable, malicious, grotesque, dishonest, cleverly twisted, insubstantial, highly simplistic (or other adjectival phrase) manner. This is also shown in the examples that Warburton provides and in his comments. HORSE I'm using the term strawman here as being no

MD To ALL Members of this Forum

2000-12-31 Thread Horse
or not we can at least be civilised and start talking rather than fighting. Horse On 25 Dec 2000, at 2:33, Struan Hellier wrote: The last time anyone said that to me (apart from Rich "oh shit now I've read some philosophy I realise that it doesn't work after all" Pretti) was in prim

Re: MD To ALL Members of this Forum

2000-12-31 Thread Horse
and abuse where we discuss Pirsigs work - disagreement yes, but this is not the same thing. Two or more people can disagree on a position without fighting if they are reasonable and fair-minded. Horse On 31 Dec 2000, at 12:16, David Prince wrote: In principle, I disagree with this stance

Re: MD To ALL Members of this Forum

2000-12-31 Thread Horse
Hi Puzz On 31 Dec 2000, at 23:18, PzEph wrote: Puzzled Pachyderm: I feel suitable chastened by your comments, as I am not wholly confident that I have met proper standards. Horse: For the most part I've had no problem with your comments and your posts in general have been enjoyable

Re: MD critique of sci-method complaints

2001-01-07 Thread Horse
Hi Glenn Maybe I missed it in your post but could you state exactly what it is YOU mean by the Scientific Method. That might seem odd but I'm sure there are a number of people who will otherwise be confused. Thanks Horse MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk

MD When you stop being offensive Struan!!

2001-01-10 Thread Horse
suggest, should not be tolerated.", but presumably that only applies to others. The most that I can do for now is to ask others to treat this sort of behaviour with the contempt that it deserves and to try not to respond in kind. Horse MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - ht

Re: MD Peevishness?

2001-01-12 Thread Horse
Nice try Struan but I doubt anyone's buying it. And in case you hadn't noticed I'd said everything I wanted to say in my last post but you carry on if it makes you feel better. Horse On 11 Jan 2001, at 14:40, Struan Hellier wrote: Greetings, It is very amusing to wind you up and watch

MD Unsubscribing

2001-01-12 Thread Horse
. Let me know if you want to unsubscribe and I'll sort it out for you. Horse On 12 Jan 2001, at 8:29, David Prince wrote: To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at: http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http

Re: MD Contextual Ethics

2001-01-17 Thread Horse
Hi Dave As far as I know Chris Lucas isn't on the list - at least not by the name that he uses at the CalResCo site, but of course that doesn't necessarily mean he isn't subscribed. Thanks for the link to the site. Very intersting. Horse On 17 Jan 2001, at 13:51, 3dwavedave wrote: Couple

Re: MD Monism

2001-01-17 Thread Horse
fundamental that it is considered by most to be an axiom. Horse MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ MD Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at: http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html

Re: MD Morality

2001-01-19 Thread Horse
Hiya Puzz and other Pirsigians On 19 Jan 2001, at 21:17, elephant wrote: I approached you over the frightening vehemence of the quarrel with Horse. Do you have the gall to deny writing to me in response: I'm just having a laugh winding Horse up, don't take it so seriously. I know its

RE: MD Morality

2001-01-20 Thread Horse
to fail to point to any evidence whatsoever of the effect you claim to have on me, nor will you ever because you're really not good enough to provoke me sufficiently. Thanks Ol' chap, this is the most fun I've had for a while - toodle pip Horse MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive

Re: MD An Odd Coincidence

2001-01-21 Thread Horse
Hi All It's entirely possible Mark - it wouldn't be the first time Struan has posted as someone else - but it's not against the rules and is quite common on the Internet to alias yourself. If it is true I'm sure we'll find out eventually and if not.. Horse On 21 Jan 2001, at 7:53, Mark

MD Metaphysics the Rules of the Forum

2001-01-22 Thread Horse
(and I can't think of a single Quality swearword - nope, not one). Thanking you in advance for your kindly assistance Madam Jackboot AKA Horse AKA allsortsofnames MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ MD Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: MD Morality

2001-01-22 Thread Horse
number of ways plus it ties him down to a particular position and would probably undermine his position on both SOM and the Subject Object Dichotomy. That is unless he produces a deliberately obscure or obviously warped definition - but that leaves him open to challenge etc. Horse MOQ.ORG

MD Spanish Version of Lila

2001-01-23 Thread Horse
Hi All Does anyone know if there is a Spanish version of Lila available. I've been asked by someone who is running a post-grad course with ZMM and Lila as substantial elements. Let me know privately or on the list if you have any information. Horse MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail

RE: MD MORALITY struan

2001-01-25 Thread Horse
Struan I have asked you before and I will NOT ask you again to refrain from being abusive when replying to other members of this forum. If you persist in this behaviour and refuse to accept this one simple rule then I will remove you from the list. Horse On 26 Jan 2001, at 1:29, Struan

RE: MD MORALITY struan

2001-01-26 Thread Horse
the blame off on me Struan. this issue is entirely of your making. Have some respect, if not for yourself, then for the principles of the moq. Oh please - don't make me laugh. Cant piled upon hypocrisy. Horse MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail

RE: MD Struan's Most Fascinating Post

2001-01-26 Thread Horse
without resorting to insult or abuse or swearing etc. If you can do so until a reasonable conclusion is reached I will donate 10 to the charity of your choice. Ya can't say fairer than that me old mucker but I think my money is perfectly safe. Horse On 27 Jan 2001, at 1:28, Struan wrote

MD MORALITY Struan's Most Fascinating Post

2001-01-27 Thread Horse
Greetings to All On 27 Jan 2001, at 8:29, Struan wrote: As you know full well Horse, 'Anon' is Elephant and there are plenty of examples of his abuse in the archives. And yet you are still unwilling or unable to provide examples of either myself, El Tusko, 'Anon' or anyone else being

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