Re: Question about message id

2024-04-11 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 02:35:30PM -0700, googly.negotiator...@aceecat.org wrote: > On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 01:13:52PM +1000, raf via Mutt-users wrote: > - if the mailing list does mess with msgid, it absolutely must do it > consistently for all copies of the message. For existing software

Re: Question about message id

2024-04-11 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 01:13:52PM +1000, raf via Mutt-users wrote: > On Tue, Apr 09, 2024 at 10:53:41AM -0400, Derek Martin > wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 07, 2024 at 01:19:09PM +, Ебрашка wrote: > > > Question, what should I write in .muttrc to make my outgoing &

Re: Question about message id

2024-04-09 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Apr 09, 2024 at 09:25:56AM -0700, Will Yardley wrote: > On Tue, Apr 09, 2024 at 11:33:55AM -0400, Derek Martin wrote: > > If so that feature may not be working correctly... > > That is the old format for the mutt version I'm using. The new format > looks like > >

Re: Question about message id

2024-04-09 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Apr 09, 2024 at 08:05:06AM -0700, Will Yardley wrote: > On Tue, Apr 09, 2024 at 10:53:41AM -0400, Derek Martin wrote: > > The unfathomable thing about this question is why you (or anyone) > > should care in the slightest what your message ID looks like. > > That'

Re: Question about message id

2024-04-09 Thread Derek Martin
On Sun, Apr 07, 2024 at 01:19:09PM +, Ебрашка wrote: > Question, what should I write in .muttrc to make my outgoing mails have > the same beautiful message-ID as Yandex mail? The unfathomable thing about this question is why you (or anyone) should care in the slightest what your message ID

Re: Mutt showing ? in place of space

2024-04-03 Thread Derek Martin
On Sat, Mar 30, 2024 at 11:21:21AM -0700, googly.negotiator...@aceecat.org wrote: > ...this type of issue is really tricky because one has to be sure to > *build* against the packaged (i.e. non-base) libraries, including > cases like libncurses. IIRC this is far from automatic, some packages > as

Re: Mutt showing ? in place of space

2024-03-30 Thread Derek Martin
Sandeep, On Sat, Mar 30, 2024 at 10:21:30AM +0800, Sadeep Madurange wrote: > On 2024-03-29 16:47:22, Derek Martin wrote: > > [*] Except in extremely rare and completely esoteric cases that apply > > only to experts... and by now should really apply to no one. > > Th

Re: Mutt showing ? in place of space

2024-03-29 Thread Derek Martin
http://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0xDFBEAD02 -=-=-=-=- This message is posted from an invalid address. Replying to it will result in undeliverable mail due to spam prevention. Sorry for the inconvenience. > On Fri, Mar 29, 2024, at 13:47, Derek Martin wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 0

Re: Mutt showing ? in place of space

2024-03-29 Thread Derek Martin
On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 07:41:45PM +0800, Sadeep Madurange wrote: > Initially, LANG was unset and LC_CTYPE="C". The character encoding was > US-ASCII. I changed these variables (i.e., LANG, LC_CTYPE and locale > settings) to en_US.UTF-8. Then the ? changed to ?. So, looks like you > are on to

Re: Disabling start and stop keys

2022-11-14 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Nov 07, 2022 at 11:11:33PM -, Jeffery Small wrote: > I have a script that fires up mutt in an xfce4-terminal window. In my ksh > shell .kshrc file, I use stty to disable (undef) the stop (^S) and start > (^Q) characters. However, when I run mutt as follows: I don't have ksh

Re: Is linewrap dead?

2022-09-02 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 07:45:05PM -0400, John Hawkinson wrote: > Derek Martin wrote on Wed, 31 Aug 2022 > at 19:35:15 EDT in <20220831233515.gf13...@bladeshadow.org>: > > Evaluating the strength of a SHOULD requires looking at pragmatic > realities. And that reality is

Re: Is linewrap dead?

2022-08-31 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 04:38:11PM -0400, John Hawkinson wrote: > I don't mean to monopolize the conversation, but: > > Derek Martin wrote on Wed, 31 Aug 2022 > at 15:48:55 EDT in <20220831194855.gc13...@bladeshadow.org>: > > > I don't see why this matters, because as

Re: Is linewrap dead?

2022-08-31 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 05:43:41PM -0400, John Hawkinson wrote: > John Hawkinson wrote on Wed, 31 Aug 2022 > at 16:38:11 EDT in : > > > I suppose I should send some 2,000-character paragraph emails as > > tests to see what happens, but I very much doubt there will be > > problems as a result. >

Re: Is linewrap dead?

2022-08-31 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 07:57:43PM +0200, Francesco Ariis wrote: > > The problem is popular modern mobile and web-based MUAs don't handle > > this and can make unexpected linewrap decisions. It's no issue when > > emailing UNIX nerds, but non-nerds think I'm doing something wrong. > > I do not

Re: Is linewrap dead?

2022-08-31 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 01:46:49PM -0400, John Hawkinson wrote: > Derek Martin wrote on Wed, 31 Aug 2022 > at 13:39:42 EDT in <20220831173942.gb13...@bladeshadow.org>: > > > It's been my experience that if you read your mail on anything other > > than a phone, the 72-c

Re: Is linewrap dead?

2022-08-31 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 07:10:14AM -0400, John Hawkinson wrote: > Kurt Hackenberg wrote on Mon, 29 Aug 2022 at 02:58:32 EDT in > : > > > If you put a newline only at the end of a paragraph, it won't be > > displayed correctly by software that doesn't expect that. Such > > software will

Re: Visualising contents of a Maildir

2022-08-18 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:10:38AM +0200, martin f krafft via Mutt-users wrote: > Thanks for your responses so far! > > The reason I need this index is that I have to provide evidence of "a huge > volume of mails" on a given topic, without actually sharing the emails. If this is all you need to

Re: Visualising contents of a Maildir

2022-08-18 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 01:02:39PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 09:17:11AM +, Sam Kuper wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 04:59:41PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 09:33:44PM +, Sam Kuper wrote: > > Or they coul

Re: Visualising contents of a Maildir

2022-08-18 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:10:38AM +0200, martin f krafft via Mutt-users wrote: > > I don't think it will be better or easier than what you've done. But > > you could try using a '|' filter in $index_format to append some output > > to a file as a side effect. It would still entail manually

Re: Visualising contents of a Maildir

2022-08-18 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 09:17:11AM +, Sam Kuper wrote: > On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 04:59:41PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 09:33:44PM +, Sam Kuper wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 09:22:31PM +0200, martin f krafft via Mutt-users > >>

Re: Visualising contents of a Maildir

2022-08-17 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 09:33:44PM +, Sam Kuper wrote: > On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 09:22:31PM +0200, martin f krafft via Mutt-users > wrote: > > For reasons you don't want to know, > > You may be underestimating the curiosity of your audience. I suspect what Sam really meant was, "For reasons

Re: Using several SMTP servers

2022-08-12 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 06:23:56PM +0200, Sébastien Hinderer wrote: > Dear all, > > Sorry if the question is off-topic, hopefully not completely though. > > I am wondering what's the best way to use different SMTP servers to send > mails, depending on which e-mail account I am currently using

Re: macro does not work when mailbox opened read-only

2022-08-08 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 08:15:31AM +0200, Fourhundred Thecat wrote: > Hello, > > I have custom macro "q" for exit: > > macro index q ";" > > but when I open mailbox read-only, I am not able to exit from mutt: AFAICT this macro does nothing useful--the normal quit (normally bound to 'q')

Re: mutt, MH, and next message number

2022-08-08 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Aug 03, 2022 at 10:04:37AM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: > On Wed, Aug 03, 2022 at 10:12:39AM -0400, hy...@nasalinux.net wrote: > > So, even though I have renumbered all of my emails to be 1-1, mutt > > still sees the deleted former-email numbered 56789 and uses that in the > > "next

Re: [RFC] Remove additional spaces when quoting already-quoted lines

2022-08-05 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Aug 01, 2022 at 10:40:22AM +1000, raf via Mutt-users wrote: > On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 01:47:06PM -0400, Kurt Hackenberg > wrote: > > set indent_string = '>' > > > > You could argue that should be the default value of $indent_string. > > Not successfully. Changing a default affects all

Re: New to Mutt, unable to send messages in *any* attempted way

2022-05-19 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06:38AM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: > On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 12:36:39PM -0500, X Tec wrote: > > set sendmail="/usr/bin/msmtp [...] --passwordeval=$(gpg --no-tty -q -d > > ~/.user.gpg)" [...] > > Hope someone else could give other advise, or if this is really not >

Re: [OT] fetchmail replacement supporting Oauth

2022-05-03 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, May 03, 2022 at 01:07:07AM -0400, José María Mateos wrote: > On Mon, May 2, 2022, at 23:25, lilydjwg wrote: > > Google doesn't disable app passwords (requires 2FA). Google is going to > > disable account passwords login at the end of this month.[1] > > > > I've switched to OAuth because I

Re: Character encoding settings with display_filter

2022-04-26 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 11:08:41AM +, Joel Buckley wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been using mutt for some time on a VT510 terminal (similar to > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VT520), and enjoying it. An actual serial hardware terminal? Those are getting to be rare beasts indeed... ;-) > The

Re: How can I hide non-matching emails in a search

2021-10-26 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 07:53:28AM -0700, Lee wrote: > Can you use the pipe function on specific fields, like subject, from, > date...? You can, indirectly, by writing a script that does it, and using pipe to call the script. It might be easier to use ignore/unignore to only show the headers you

Re: question/suggestion

2021-10-26 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 08:13:15PM -0400, John Hawkinson wrote: > Derek Martin wrote on Mon, 25 Oct 2021 > at 19:00:12 EDT in <20211025230012.gc9...@bladeshadow.org>: > > > Cost? I see no cost, other than the time needed to physically check > > My Oct. 7 email, to wh

Re: question/suggestion

2021-10-25 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Oct 07, 2021 at 11:52:02PM -0400, John Hawkinson wrote: > ಚಿರಾಗ್ ನಟರಾಜ್ wrote on Thu, 7 Oct 2021 > at 23:32:00 EDT in : > > > Any email client (including mobile email clients) worth its salt is > > going to wrap the subject line (at least in the email view, if not > > in the index

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-12 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 10:20:09PM -, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2021-02-12, Derek Martin wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 05:09:36PM -, Grant Edwards wrote: > >> On 2021-02-12, Derek Martin wrote: > >> >>> as I would have to be monitor

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-12 Thread Derek Martin
On 01Feb2021 16:03, ಚಿರಾಗ್ ನಟರಾಜ್ wrote: > sending emails might well be time-sensitive, and I _need_ to know > that it went through (or get immediate feedback if it fails). So let's be clear: If you have time-sensitive communications that need to be delivered immediately, reliably, you should

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-12 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 05:09:36PM -, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2021-02-12, Derek Martin wrote: > >>> as I would have to be monitoring the logs to make sure the e-mail > >>> was actually sent. > >> > >> You do (or you need to make sure that

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-12 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 04:34:47PM -, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2021-02-01, José María Mateos wrote: > > I was thinking about this. I have offlineimap running, so I have a > > local copy of all my mail, but the SMTP connection still goes > > through my mail provider, not locally. While I can

Re: How to remove `To: undisclosed-recipients: ;`?

2021-02-12 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Feb 04, 2021 at 11:09:40AM -0600, Peng Yu wrote: > I want to remove `To: undisclosed-recipients: ;` in the generated > message when no To or Cc recipients are specified. I don't see an > option to do this in the manual. Could anybody let me know if there is > an option to remove it?

Re: How does mutt know to automatically choose charset?

2021-02-12 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Feb 04, 2021 at 08:42:31AM -0600, Peng Yu wrote: > mutt can adjust the charset based on the input. But it seems that > EmailMessage from python can not do this automatically. How does mutt > choose the charset automatically based on the content? Thanks. You pasted the answer: >

Re: not to set message id in outgoing email

2021-02-08 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Feb 03, 2021 at 08:23:18PM -0600, Peng Yu wrote: > On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 11:23 AM Will Yardley > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Feb 03, 2021 at 08:57:32AM -0600, Peng Yu wrote: > > > > > > When I use mutt to construct an outgoing email, is there a way not to > > > set the message id? Thanks. > >

Re: not to set message id in outgoing email

2021-02-03 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Feb 03, 2021 at 06:33:37PM +0100, Claus Assmann wrote: > On Wed, Feb 03, 2021, Will Yardley wrote: > > > Even if Mutt doesn't set one, the first MTA it hits will add one. Not > > Not really - a MTA should not make such changes. A MSA should do > it, I'd say this is needlessly

Re: Getting more useful information in file browser - possible with maildir?

2020-10-02 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Oct 01, 2020 at 10:01:21AM +0100, Chris Green wrote: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 02:56:56PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 02:21:22PM +0100, Chris Green wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 09:49:52AM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > > I can't say

Re: Getting more useful information in file browser - possible with maildir?

2020-09-30 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 02:21:22PM +0100, Chris Green wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 09:49:52AM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 08:30:42AM +0100, Chris Green wrote: > > > The same place in a mbox hierarchy shows me the size of the maibox and > >

Re: Getting more useful information in file browser - possible with maildir?

2020-09-29 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 08:30:42AM +0100, Chris Green wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 07:01:25PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 08:29:22PM +0100, Chris Green wrote: > > > > > This is by no means a show stopper, I'm going to stay with maildir, >

Re: Getting more useful information in file browser - possible with maildir?

2020-09-28 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 10:10:28PM -0400, Josef 'Jeff' Sipek wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 18:55:51 -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > ... > > On Unix systems, at least > > for most file systems, the size of a directory is the space occupied > > by the blocks nee

Re: Getting more useful information in file browser - possible with maildir?

2020-09-28 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 06:09:49PM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: > Yes, Olaf Hering submitted a patch in 1.10, zeroing out the directory size > for the reason you site below: > > > However the size of a directory is very likely not what you think it is, > > and is not particularly useful to

Re: Getting more useful information in file browser - possible with maildir?

2020-09-28 Thread Derek Martin
On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 08:29:22PM +0100, Chris Green wrote: > > That's most likely a "last edited" date. Adding flags or labels to a > > message would have reset that time as well. These directories were last > > edited on the date you created them, so not much is going to change > > that. You'd

Re: Getting more useful information in file browser - possible with maildir?

2020-09-28 Thread Derek Martin
On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 05:02:08PM +0100, Chris Green wrote: > However there is a minor downside in the file browser (well directory > browser really isn't it), the information shown against the > directories (at the bottom level these are maildir mailboxes) is > pretty useless, what I am seeing

Re: Can mutt be persuaded to use a sensible maildir hierarchy?

2020-09-28 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 01:33:24PM +0100, Chris Green wrote: > Just to report success. It all appears to be working as I want with > 'real' directories for my mail hierarchy. Glad to hear it. > It was basically quite simple to do, mostly using 'find', first to > create a copy of my old mbox

Re: Can mutt be persuaded to use a sensible maildir hierarchy?

2020-09-23 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 05:46:53PM +0100, Chris Green wrote: > Does mutt still use the (IMHO silly) maildir hierarchy where mail > 'folders' are simply represented by another '.' and name in the > maildir directory name? I'm not sure why you think Mutt is doing this... I have my maildir folders

Re: simple formatting possibilities

2020-08-27 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 01:40:08AM -0400, Jon LaBadie wrote: > I don't like the attachment approach but the formatting (minimal, > bold, alignment,?) he uses and the 2 column arrangement would be useful. > Of course, my using constant width characters and spaces kills > any alignment my recipients

Re: Index screen - could it feature time segments?

2020-08-04 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 12:26:01AM +0300, Leho Kraav wrote: > One of the replies mentioned something about "tasteful" or similar. For > me, mail is not a fashion statement, it needs to get work done, so not > giving that taste argument much weight. > [...] > Other than that, haven't seen a any

Re: Index screen - could it feature time segments?

2020-08-03 Thread Derek Martin
On Sun, Aug 02, 2020 at 12:24:35PM +0300, Leho Kraav wrote: > Hi. I'm looking for a way to get mutt index to segment list display with > Today, Yesterday, Last Week, 2 weeks ago etc separators. > > Feels like it should be technically possible, but I haven't been able to > find a configuration or

Re: Mutt losing folders with new mails with additional session

2020-07-22 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 08:37:50AM +0200, Sebastian Stein wrote: > Kevin J. McCarthy [200716 18:18]: > > If the access time is earlier than the modification time, it notifies for > > new mail. > > Wow, what a bad algorithm. I mean, this was probably perfect 20 years ago, > but in times of

Re: Mutt losing folders with new mails with additional session

2020-07-22 Thread Derek Martin
Oops, if I'd seen this message before I sent my last post, I probably wouldn't have bothered to post it. That said, I will take issue with the notion that mbox is a terrible format: It isn't. It does, however, have usage patterns for which it is not well suited... just like maildir does. If

Re: Elimination of mime/html part

2020-05-02 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 03:27:29PM +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > Unfortunately, one of the weaknesses in Python's email handling (which > might be related to some ambiguities or flaws in the RFCs on which they > are based - I'm not sure) relates to the problem of identifying a > "primary" (for want of

Re: Inline PGP Within HTML

2020-05-02 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 01:46:26PM -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > > Yeah, I've been trying to explain this to some folks around here > > recently, but not having much success. You have my sympathy. > > Agreed. It is frustrating. But Derek, please don't give up! I gave up a LOOONG time ago.

Re: Going GUI...er

2020-05-02 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 06:57:14PM +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > > When you're talking about a population of people, who is being > > inconsiderate, those who do what the majority prefer, or the minority > > who have made up their own mind that their way is better despite > > what everyone else does?

Re: Inline PGP Within HTML

2020-04-27 Thread Derek Martin
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 09:46:48PM -0500, David Engel wrote: > Hi, > > My company uses PGP/GPG when sending sensitive material through email. > Unfortunately (for them and me), most people use Outlook and our IT > guy refuses to install any Outlook plugin for them to properly handle > encypted

Re: Going GUI...er

2020-04-23 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 03:49:46PM +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 06:08:37PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 01:09:12PM +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > >> On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 09:32:01AM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > >>> On W

Re: Alt-Arrow bindings in termite

2020-04-17 Thread Derek Martin
On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 01:55:16AM -, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2020-04-18, Derek Martin wrote: > > > Termite emulates an RS-232 terminal--a simple (AKA "dumb") ASCII > > terminal, whereas rxvt has a more complex interface that allows > > sending and receiv

Re: Alt-Arrow bindings in termite

2020-04-17 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:09:29AM -0400, Jaron Kent-Dobias wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to replace rxvt-unicode with termite, and am having trouble with > my mutt bindings. Termite emulates an RS-232 terminal--a simple (AKA "dumb") ASCII terminal, whereas rxvt has a more complex interface

Re: Going GUI...er

2020-04-17 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 01:09:12PM +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 09:32:01AM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 08, 2020 at 01:17:12PM +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 07, 2020 at 09:23:34PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > >>> Sor

Re: Going GUI...er

2020-04-09 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 09:05:52AM -0700, Felix Finch wrote: > On 20200409, Derek Martin wrote: > > And honestly, most mailers have the ability to avoid these attack > > vectors--they just don't by default, because that's what the average > > person wants. Mutt users typica

Re: Going GUI...er

2020-04-09 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 12:26:43AM +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > On Wed, Apr 08, 2020 at 03:08:45PM -0400, Ben Boeckel wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 08, 2020 at 14:43:47 -0400, Kurt Hackenberg wrote: > >> On 2020-04-07 22:18, Derek Martin wrote: > >> > >>> Then aga

Re: Going GUI...er

2020-04-09 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Apr 08, 2020 at 07:59:45AM -0400, Mark H. Wood wrote: > On Tue, Apr 07, 2020 at 09:18:37PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > > I've said it before--I too would love a mutt-based (or mutt-similar) > > GUI mail client. Frankly, no matter how much I love Mutt (and you > &g

Re: Going GUI...er

2020-04-09 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Apr 08, 2020 at 01:17:12PM +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > On Tue, Apr 07, 2020 at 09:23:34PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 05, 2020 at 12:09:55AM +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > > Sorry, but this is an archaic way of looking at the problem. People > > have been d

Re: Going GUI...er

2020-04-07 Thread Derek Martin
On Sun, Apr 05, 2020 at 12:09:55AM +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > I'll assume you mean that the email has multiple parts or attachments, > one (or more) of which is an HTML file and one (or more) of which is an > image file, and that the HTML file has an "img" element with a "src" > attribute whose

Re: Going GUI...er

2020-04-07 Thread Derek Martin
On Sat, Apr 04, 2020 at 02:29:02PM -0400, Fred Smith wrote: > When God invented email, He intended that it be plain text! :) > As such, rich-text/html/images in email is the spawn of the devil. :) :) Ignoring the aspect about sky fairies inventing anything, this is still largely untrue. Sure, in

Re: Slow changing mbox - continued

2020-01-02 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 12:58:21PM +, Chris Green wrote: > Well I've started trying to diagnose this, I'm less sure now that it > only happens across the ssh connection, that may be a red herring. > I've changed the main disk drive on my dekstop system (where mutt > runs) from a 1TB spinning

Re: Rendering HTML as Markdown in mutt (was: Creating HTML emails with mutt)

2019-11-06 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 07:30:16PM +0100, Richard Z wrote: > On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 09:31:27AM -0500, Mark H. Wood wrote: > > > Anyway, a good place to read up on xterm might be > > https://invisible-island.net/xterm/ > > That version of xterm still gets updates several times a year. xterm > >

Re: Rendering HTML as Markdown in mutt (was: Creating HTML emails with mutt)

2019-11-04 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Nov 01, 2019 at 12:21:15PM +1300, martin f krafft wrote: > Regarding the following, written by "Derek Martin" on 2019-10-31 at 15:39 Uhr > -0500: > > And FWIW, I *was* discussing (very limited, completely text-based) > > support for HTML messages in M

Re: Creating HTML emails with mutt

2019-10-31 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 10:20:21AM +, John Long wrote: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 15:49:05 -0500 > Derek Martin wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 11:31:21AM +, John Long wrote: > > > That doesn't really help. From my point the issue is not only what I > > &

Re: Creating HTML emails with mutt

2019-10-31 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 11:43:07AM +, John Long wrote: > On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 23:47:38 +1300 > martin f krafft wrote: > > > Regarding the following, written by "John Long" on 2019-10-31 at > > 10:30 Uhr +: > > >1. Commonly done != standard. There are standards for things like > > >MIME,

Re: Creating HTML emails with mutt

2019-10-30 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 11:29:31AM +, John Long wrote: > > I don’t think this is about right and wrong, and not only because > > there is no objectivity. multipart/alternative is an accepted > > standard, and so is HTML. You might not like how things have > > developed, and neither do I, but

Re: Creating HTML emails with mutt

2019-10-30 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 11:31:21AM +, John Long wrote: > That doesn't really help. From my point the issue is not only what I > have to configure or what can be configured, but also how much code is > behind doing that. Less code is easier to manage than more code. I > can't see the benefit of

Re: Creating HTML emails with mutt

2019-10-30 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 07:04:48PM +, John Long wrote: > > so you cater to people who have no idea, and cannot be bothered. > > Which is probably 99.9% of everybody in corp. offices worldwide. > > Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating for HTML support in mutt. HTML > has absolutely no place

Re: Creating HTML emails with mutt

2019-10-30 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:31:19PM -, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2019-10-29, martin f krafft wrote: > That's true (as I understood the problem, anyway). Fortunately, I > never needed to send a signed message with an attachment (or just a > signed message, AFAIR). Nobody I know would have the

Re: Creating HTML emails with mutt

2019-10-30 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 11:11:31PM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día lunes, octubre 28, 2019 a las 04:50:40p. m. -0500, Derek Martin > escribió: > > > > FWIW, I (as a mutt user for 15++ years) do not need this. Thanks > > > > Perhaps not, but the fact that it

Re: Creating HTML emails with mutt

2019-10-28 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 10:06:18PM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día lunes, octubre 28, 2019 a las 03:59:01p. m. -0500, Derek Martin > escribió: > > > FWIW, my two biggest wishlist items for Mutt are: > > > > 1. the ability to create and send at

Re: Creating HTML emails with mutt

2019-10-28 Thread Derek Martin
On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 10:02:38AM +0800, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: > On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 11:16:25AM +1300, martin f krafft wrote: > Native support for multipart/alternative composition isn't in my todo list. > However, I do have a plan to allow external filter generation of the > alternative.

Re: File locking on sshfs file system, possible?

2019-10-28 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 07:29:52PM +, Chris Green wrote: > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 01:31:57PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > > You're probably better off using (local) IMAP over SSH with your Mutt > > mailboxes. That is, you can ssh into your mail server and run imapd > >

Re: File locking on sshfs file system, possible?

2019-10-28 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 08:58:06AM +0100, Chris Green wrote: > I just tried running mutt 'remotely' by mounting ~/.muttrc and my main > mail directory ~/Mail using sshfs and running a local copy of mutt. > This makes handling attachments and HTML E-Mail much faster and easier > than running mutt

Re: Really strange problem with evince PDF reader and .mutt directory

2019-10-21 Thread Derek Martin
On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 06:04:05PM +0100, Chris Green wrote: > On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 02:02:15PM +0100, Nuno Silva wrote: > > On 2019-10-20, Chris Green wrote: > > Do these systems have apparmor? It seems to be some sort of security > > tool which restricts access to files and directories based

Re: Preferred way to get imap emails

2019-07-30 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 03:00:32AM +0530, Pankaj Jangid wrote: > On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 01:50:54PM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: > > If you want to participate in development, then please do so by starting > > small and showing me I can trust your patches. After you've done that, we > > can

Re: Preferred way to get imap emails

2019-07-30 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 01:47:35AM +0530, Pankaj Jangid wrote: > On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 03:13:37PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > > IMAP is, explicitly, a mail protocol for clients to do the > > minimal amount of fetching necessary. You can do a full sync on > > top of it, but that's not what it's

Re: Preferred way to get imap emails

2019-07-29 Thread Derek Martin
On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 10:58:22PM +0530, Pankaj Jangid wrote: > > > I have configured cache so it doesn't happen everytime with the same > > > email. My 2nd question is - is there a way to pre-fetch all the > > > emails in inbox. > > > > I don't think so -- not without using something like

Re: Preferred way to get imap emails

2019-07-29 Thread Derek Martin
On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 02:57:20PM -0600, Akkana Peck wrote: > The only problem with mbsync is that it doesn't have a "daemon > mode", so I had to write a script that runs it every N seconds. > But that's a trivial complaint. There are any number of solutions to this, but... cron? It's probably

Re: Composing ask From: address and arbitrary keys in PGP

2019-07-26 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 05:12:08AM +, g...@riseup.net wrote: > 1. When composing messages, mutt ask To: or recipient adress and > Subject and then go to editor. How to make mutt ask for From: or > sender address only and then go to editor? > The typical way to do this is with send hooks or

Re: Using UTC as time zone in outgoing email headers

2019-07-24 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 07:06:52AM +, Ryan Smith wrote: > By default, mutt uses local or computer time zone in outgoing email full > header, Date section. > > How to force mutt to use UTC as time zone in all outgoing email headers? For what it's worth, this is probably mostly pointless.

Re: mutt and clear-signing

2019-07-02 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 02:48:21PM +0100, tech-lists wrote: > Hi, > > I'm using mutt v.1.12.0 on freebsd-current with gpgme. In my config, mutt will > verify clearsigned gpg sigs if the public key is on the gpg keyring. > > But if the key is unknown, mutt will say the key is unknown, and this is

Re: order of sending mail and saving to fcc

2019-06-17 Thread Derek Martin
[Sent before I intended to.] On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 01:53:18AM +0200, Nicolas Rachinsky wrote: > @Derek: I've read your mails in this thread, and I'm in no way > convinced. I'd love for you to explain why. Note that Kevin confirmed that my arguments are technically correct. So despite that I

Re: order of sending mail and saving to fcc

2019-06-17 Thread Derek Martin
On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 01:53:18AM +0200, Nicolas Rachinsky wrote: > I can only say, Erik wrote the answer I wanted to write. > > @Kevin: The new change sounds very promising. Thank you for that > and all your work! > > @Derek: I've read your mails in this thread, and I'm in no way > convinced.

Re: order of sending mail and saving to fcc

2019-06-12 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 09:31:53AM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 05:28:26PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > >Obviously you don't need to listen to me > > I do listen to you, Derek. The whole buffer pool migration is a > result of your recurring prods, a

Re: order of sending mail and saving to fcc

2019-06-12 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 05:20:02PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 11.06.19 12:36, Derek Martin wrote: > > I hesitate to go far as to say that if you think saving the message > > first is the right behavior, you are simply wrong... but I'm > > definitely thinking it.

Re: order of sending mail and saving to fcc

2019-06-11 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 01:45:18PM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 06:43:25AM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: > I've pushed a branch up to gitlab, kevin/fcc-before-send. It adds > $fcc_before_send, default unset. Obviously you don't need to listen to me, but I do want

Re: order of sending mail and saving to fcc

2019-06-11 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 08:11:33PM +0200, Nicolas Rachinsky wrote: > > I hesitate to go far as to say that if you think saving the message > > first is the right behavior, you are simply wrong... but I'm > > definitely thinking it. =8^) > > You might consider it wrong but I do not seem to be the

Re: order of sending mail and saving to fcc

2019-06-11 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 12:36:00PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > But also, just because the message failed to send, your ideas and the > impetus for writing them down didn't vanish. Your brain is the > back-up. Not only that, but I neglected the fact that if the send fails, the file yo

Re: order of sending mail and saving to fcc

2019-06-11 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 10:04:25PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: > In the event that send fails, the local copy is essential for a resend > attempt. No ifs, no buts, no maybes. I'm at a loss to imagine any > scenario in which mutt should risk inability to write that Fcc, through a > hang-up or

Re: order of sending mail and saving to fcc

2019-06-11 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 11:24:11AM +0200, Nicolas Rachinsky wrote: > * Jack M [2019-06-04 10:20 -0500]: > > On Tue, June 4, 2019 5:30 am, Nicolas Rachinsky wrote: > > > The other one (mail sent, but no local copy) > > > > Why would this situation would ever occur? > > A power failure at the

Re: majordomo [Was: Send to a Listing]

2019-04-22 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 09:53:58AM +1000, m...@raf.org wrote: > if you want majordomo, i can send a copy but it's available at: > > ftp://ftp.icm.edu.pl/packages/majordomo/Welcome.html > > note that it's at least 18 years old and unsupported (but still works). > it might be a better idea to

Re: [Fwd: Re: Send to a Listing]

2019-04-15 Thread Derek Martin
On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 08:06:04PM +0200, felixs wrote: > I searched in the documentation of sed (info sed), the bash-hacker's > wiki (1) and read through the Advanced Bash Scripting Guide, but I > haven't found the exact use case of redirecting input to all the files > of a directory. FWIW,

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