Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Reizinger Zoltán
2011.09.01. 21:59 keltezéssel, Dennis E. Hamilton írta: Let me see if I can help ground this. Currently, digest algorithms are used for a variety of things. The common case is SHA1. These are not themselves a concern, as I understand it, since their function is not directly related to encryp

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

2011-09-01 Thread Terry Ellison
On 02/09/11 00:46, Shane Curcuru wrote: Separately from how moderation is done and separately from the issue that many traditional participants/contributors to a lot of OOo areas are non-english speakers, I just wanted to mention an additional factor about mailing list norms at Apache. For co

Re: draft blog post on the Linux build education event

2011-09-01 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
2011/9/1 Manfred A. Reiter : > blog looks nice and we will what happens next wednesday Put the word "see" into the sentence above, where it belongs ;-)

Re: draft blog post on the Linux build education event

2011-09-01 Thread Joe Schaefer
Good point Jean!  Things need to happen a bit more deliberately with respect to posting blog articles next time round, but as I said it's still not too late to fix this one.  Someone just has to do it. > >From: Jean Weber >To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; Joe S

Re: draft blog post on the Linux build education event

2011-09-01 Thread Jean Weber
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 13:24, Joe Schaefer wrote: > Seems to me all that's needed is a regional > qualifier.  Blogs aren't written in stone, > it is easy enough to make minor edits to them > post-publication (but do take better advantage > of the pre-publication public url I mentioned > earlier fo

Re: draft blog post on the Linux build education event

2011-09-01 Thread Joe Schaefer
Seems to me all that's needed is a regional qualifier.  Blogs aren't written in stone, it is easy enough to make minor edits to them post-publication (but do take better advantage of the pre-publication public url I mentioned earlier for peer review of articles.) >__

Re: draft blog post on the Linux build education event

2011-09-01 Thread Jean Weber
A little late here, and a trivial observation, but this type of statement really jerks my chain, because it is so Northern-Hemisphere specific: "It is September. Time for cooler weather and time to go back to school" (Watching the temperatures and humidity rise inexorably towards summer makes

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Joe Schaefer
Off-topic.  Please drop this line of inquiry and return to the Subject of this thread, which is about determining required info for the crypto export declaration. > >From: Rob Weir >To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 11:07 PM >Su

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: >>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Rob Weir wrote: Looks like LO discussed it briefly [4], but dismissed it under the

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> >>> Looks like LO discussed it briefly [4], but dismissed it under the >>> misapprehension that since they are not in the US, the regu

Re: Apache OpenOffice.org Developer Education: Building on Linux

2011-09-01 Thread Matt Richards
I'm interested in lending a hand where I can, as I've been able to get OOo to build on Linux (64bit).. On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > This is what we had in http://education.openoffice.org including the > classrooms. > There is also the getting started guide for devel

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > I think Article 32 is of particular interest in the case of OpenOffice.org > distributions in France. > > It would appear that compliance with Article 30 is not difficult, since > source code is available in all cases.  It would be int

RE: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I think Article 32 is of particular interest in the case of OpenOffice.org distributions in France. It would appear that compliance with Article 30 is not difficult, since source code is available in all cases. It would be interesting to find out if the Apache process for declaring cryptograph

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> Looks like LO discussed it briefly [4], but dismissed it under the >> misapprehension that since they are not in the US, the regulation is >> irrelevant. > > I'm confused, how is that

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > > Looks like LO discussed it briefly [4], but dismissed it under the > misapprehension that since they are not in the US, the regulation is > irrelevant. I'm confused, how is that a 'misapprehension' exactly ? Are you concerned about compliance

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

2011-09-01 Thread Shane Curcuru
Separately from how moderation is done and separately from the issue that many traditional participants/contributors to a lot of OOo areas are non-english speakers, I just wanted to mention an additional factor about mailing list norms at Apache. For community-focused lists, we should aim to h

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > We have not had the bad-behavior/HR-type problems that would require the PPMC > to have private discussion.  I do believe that it is one of the PPMC > responsibilities however.  A dispute between users here, or a complaint to > the PPM

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > From top of page, Overview, second > paragraph: > > "PMCs considering including cryptographic functionality within their products > or specially designing their products to use other software with

Re: Apache OpenOffice.org Developer Education: Building on Linux

2011-09-01 Thread Alexandro Colorado
This is what we had in http://education.openoffice.org including the classrooms. There is also the getting started guide for development. Please have a look on the wiki. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project/Effort On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > The blog p

Re: Apache OpenOffice.org Developer Education: Building on Linux

2011-09-01 Thread TJ Frazier
On 9/1/2011 18:52, Rob Weir wrote: The blog post is up: https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_org_developer_education Please pass along the info wherever you think it would find interest. I've stuck it on Twitter, Facebook and Google Plus. Are there any legacy OOo lists where th

RE: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

2011-09-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
We have not had the bad-behavior/HR-type problems that would require the PPMC to have private discussion. I do believe that it is one of the PPMC responsibilities however. A dispute between users here, or a complaint to the PPMC about user conduct would likely be handled on ooo-private. >From

RE: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
>From top of page, Overview, second >paragraph: "PMCs considering including cryptographic functionality within their products or specially designing their products to use other software with cryptographic functionality should take the following steps *bef

Re: Administrative controls / management of the mailing lists

2011-09-01 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Some concrete possible ways forward: * Terry and Infra work together, migration continues, Terry sets up the service and documents it alongside all the other Infra services. * Infra assumes responsibility for the services and the migration. * Infra sets up a VM and tells the PPMC to assume resp

Apache OpenOffice.org Developer Education: Building on Linux

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
The blog post is up: https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_org_developer_education Please pass along the info wherever you think it would find interest. I've stuck it on Twitter, Facebook and Google Plus. Are there any legacy OOo lists where there might be interest? -Rob

Re: Administrative controls / management of the mailing lists

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > The problem isn't "Gavin needs to cool off".  The problem is "Terry and Infra > need to find a way to work together without constantly stepping on each > other's toes". > Fnding this "way to work together" will be easier if we all step back

Re: draft blog post on the Linux build education event

2011-09-01 Thread Kay Schenk
On 09/01/2011 01:53 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: thanks for the link. it works fine. blog looks nice and we will what happens next wednesday ;-) It will be interesting. I just did a fresh install of Ubuntu 11.04, totally default, virgin, no

Re: Administrative controls / management of the mailing lists

2011-09-01 Thread Daniel Shahaf
The problem isn't "Gavin needs to cool off". The problem is "Terry and Infra need to find a way to work together without constantly stepping on each other's toes". On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 18:33 -0400, "Rob Weir" wrote: > You two are some of the smartest admins I know, and I've known a few. > With

Re: Fwd: openoffice.org not responding

2011-09-01 Thread Kay Schenk
HI--there still seems to be some issues...was OK early this am but now...VERY slow again. No idea what's going on. On 09/01/2011 09:30 AM, Andrew Rist wrote: On 8/31/2011 10:43 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: Hi Andrew-- On 08/31/2011 10:17 AM

Re: Administrative controls / management of the mailing lists

2011-09-01 Thread Tony Stevenson
On 1 Sep 2011, at 23:02, Terry Ellison wrote: > Dennis, > > The short answer is IMHO: that's correct -- No. As to the long one: ... > > Oracle stopped its major funding of OOo as a mainstream product for sound > commercial reasons -- though this has resulted in personal consequences for a >

Re: Administrative controls / management of the mailing lists

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
You two are some of the smartest admins I know, and I've known a few. With mastery obviously comes strong opinions and equally strong working habits. This is probably the largest migration effort Apache has ever done. It is certainly a huge effort from OOo's perspective, since it is a technical,

RE: Administrative controls / management of the mailing lists

2011-09-01 Thread Gavin McDonald
> -Original Message- > From: Terry Ellison [mailto:te...@ellisons.org.uk] > Sent: Friday, 2 September 2011 8:02 AM > To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org > Cc: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Administrative controls / management of the mailing lists > > Dennis, > > The short answer i

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:15 PM, drew wrote: > On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 16:40 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > >> We have such a method, if it were needed.  It is called ooo-private. >> If we think that 30 private forums are needed in order to discuss "bad >> behavior" in support posts (3 forums per each of 1

Re: Administrative controls / management of the mailing lists

2011-09-01 Thread Terry Ellison
Dennis, The short answer is IMHO: that's correct -- No. As to the long one: ... Oracle stopped its major funding of OOo as a mainstream product for sound commercial reasons -- though this has resulted in personal consequences for a lot of people who worked on OOo and who no longer have a job

Re: Apache project community and external community

2011-09-01 Thread Ross Gardler
On 1 September 2011 17:27, Ian Lynch wrote: > My view is how do we make > FOSS more effective?  Partly as a Committer here within the rules associated > with that, partly through my business with the rules and constraints that > has and partly with LibreO, why worry? If you can do what you want wi

Re: [code] build on Linux 64 bits (Fedora 15)

2011-09-01 Thread eric b
Hi, Le 1 sept. 11 à 23:25, Ariel Constenla-Haile a écrit : (I just wanted to try with the same options I was building DEV300) I get the following errors: * enabling the OpenGL transitions: Compiling: slideshow/source/engine/OGLTrans/ OGLTrans_TransitionerImpl.cxx slideshow/source/engine/OGL

[code] build on Linux 64 bits (Fedora 15)

2011-09-01 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
Hi there, building on Fedora 15 (64 bits) with ./configure \ --enable-crashdump=yes \ --enable-cairo --with-system-cairo \ --enable-opengl \ --enable-dbus \ --enable-minimizer \ --enable-presenter-console \ --enable-pdfimport \ --enable-wiki-publisher \ --enable-report-builder \ --enabl

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

2011-09-01 Thread drew
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 16:40 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > We have such a method, if it were needed. It is called ooo-private. > If we think that 30 private forums are needed in order to discuss "bad > behavior" in support posts (3 forums per each of 10 languages) Come on Rob, people like to work in

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

2011-09-01 Thread drew
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 16:26 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:00 PM, drew wrote: > > On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 19:56 +0100, Terry Ellison wrote: > > 5) If, hypothetically, you did not have the ability to do "peer > reviews and discussion on specific posts by named users", what woul

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
Crazy idea. But is it possible at all to cause all posts to private forums to be echoed to the ooo-private list? That would address several of my concerns: 1) Guaranteed archiving of these posts in a form that Apache Members can inspect, if there is ever a future dispute 2) Allows PPMC and Ment

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Technically, this was to have been resolved before the code was put up on > SVN.  We need to audit specifically for this rather quickly, and including > the places that Rob also identified (import-export filters and http TLS). I defini

Re: draft blog post on the Linux build education event

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: > thanks for the link. it works fine. > blog looks nice and we will what happens next wednesday ;-) > It will be interesting. I just did a fresh install of Ubuntu 11.04, totally default, virgin, no extra apt-get's. I'll do the install on

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > This should really be on its own thread as Terry requested. > > In any case, I believe the private forums are for roughly the same reasons > that the PPMC list is private.  The administrators address disputes, deal > with bad behavior,

RE: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Technically, this was to have been resolved before the code was put up on SVN. We need to audit specifically for this rather quickly, and including the places that Rob also identified (import-export filters and http TLS). - Dennis -Original Message- From: Robert Burrell Donkin [mailt

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > I'm not aware of any "legacy encryption" in non-ODF formats being supported > on output or input.  I must try that. > > Rob, > > Is it your understanding that http is implemented directly in OpenOffice, or > is the platform provider of

RE: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

2011-09-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
This should really be on its own thread as Terry requested. In any case, I believe the private forums are for roughly the same reasons that the PPMC list is private. The administrators address disputes, deal with bad behavior, etc. I notice that moderator actions on lists here are not dealt wi

RE: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I am not making a judgment in the case of encryption used as part of digital-signature PKI-based methods. We need to identify them regardless. I also don't know if those particular encryptions are done in OpenOffice.org code or are handled by the platforms at runtime. This might vary dependi

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:00 PM, drew wrote: > On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 19:56 +0100, Terry Ellison wrote: >> OK, Rob, I now understand your point.  I will do as you request. >> However, it seems to me that by making this request you are creating an >> interesting catch-22:  I far as I can see there ar

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton > wrote: >> Let me see if I can help ground this. >> > > Remember, the export could be of code, not just the binaries.  So if > we have code that does asymmetrical encryption, then we are exportin

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Let me see if I can help ground this. > > Currently, digest algorithms are used for a variety of things.  The common > case is SHA1.  These are not themselves a concern, as I understand it, since > their function is not directly related

RE: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I'm not aware of any "legacy encryption" in non-ODF formats being supported on output or input. I must try that. Rob, Is it your understanding that http is implemented directly in OpenOffice, or is the platform provider of http: and https: schemes relied upon? I would be amazed to learn that

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin > wrote: >> EAR 740.13(e) should be on >> http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=bad7a54a31430303e17ce648c13e51b3&rgn=div5&view=text&node=15:2.1.3.4.25&idno=15#15:2.1.3.

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Let me see if I can help ground this. > Remember, the export could be of code, not just the binaries. So if we have code that does asymmetrical encryption, then we are exporting that, even if in the binaries we call it only in the conte

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

2011-09-01 Thread drew
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 19:56 +0100, Terry Ellison wrote: > OK, Rob, I now understand your point. I will do as you request. > However, it seems to me that by making this request you are creating an > interesting catch-22: I far as I can see there are two facets to this > invitation. > > *

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Terry Ellison wrote: > On 01/09/11 20:14, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Terry Ellison >> wrote: >>> >>> OK, Rob, I now understand your point.  I will do as you request. >>>  However, >>> it seems to me that by making this request you are cre

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-09-01 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
2011/8/31 Rob Weir : > On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Manfred A. Reiter > wrote: >> 2011/8/31 Rob Weir : >>> Something else to think about for the ooo-users list: file attachments. >>> >> >> The experience with the german OOo-users list have shown >> that attachments should be banned. Today it

RE: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Let me see if I can help ground this. Currently, digest algorithms are used for a variety of things. The common case is SHA1. These are not themselves a concern, as I understand it, since their function is not directly related to encryption even though they come into play in the use of encryp

RE: Administrative controls / management of the mailing lists

2011-09-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Um, so your answer is no? You do not have any means to deal with that mailing list issue on the live openoffice.org site? Any suggestions? - Dennis -Original Message- From: Terry Ellison [mailto:te...@ellisons.org.uk] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:04 To: dennis.hamil...@acm.o

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

2011-09-01 Thread Terry Ellison
On 01/09/11 20:14, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Terry Ellison wrote: OK, Rob, I now understand your point. I will do as you request. However, it seems to me that by making this request you are creating an interesting catch-22: I far as I can see there are two facets to t

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > EAR 740.13(e) should be on > http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=bad7a54a31430303e17ce648c13e51b3&rgn=div5&view=text&node=15:2.1.3.4.25&idno=15#15:2.1.3.4.25.0.1.13 > > Robert > Thanks, Robert. IANAL, but on that

Re: draft blog post on the Linux build education event

2011-09-01 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
thanks for the link. it works fine. blog looks nice and we will what happens next wednesday ;-) M. 2011/9/1 Rob Weir : > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: >> >> >> http://www.apache.org/dev/blogs.html describes the >> (public) preview url for blog articles. >> >> > > Thanks for

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
So in general OpenOffice supports encryption and digital signatures and https/SSL. So we have support for standard algorithms, from one-way hashes like SHA-1, to block encryption like Blowfish and AES-256, to public key cryptography per the W3C's XML Digital Signatures. We also support legacy M

RE: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

2011-09-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Rob, I believe Terry is talking about the openoffice.org domain in situ and the existing OOo forums there. This has nothing to do with anything under Apache ooo custody at this time, nor does it have anything to do with the test version he has running in order to learn how to port. It was an

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin >> wrote: >>> Following the instructions[3], step 1 is to work out whether OOo has >>> any unusual cryptography beyond ECCN 5D002, whic

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin > wrote: >> Following the instructions[3], step 1 is to work out whether OOo has >> any unusual cryptography beyond ECCN 5D002, which is: >> >> correctly, we are OK if we use a symmetrical alg

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Terry Ellison wrote: > OK, Rob, I now understand your point.  I will do as you request.  However, > it seems to me that by making this request you are creating an interesting > catch-22:  I far as I can see there are two facets to this invitation. > >   * *Sufficien

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin > wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton >> wrote: >>> Please just do it this way: >>> >>> >>> >>> ASF is very clear on what is re

Administrative controls / management of the mailing lists

2011-09-01 Thread Terry Ellison
Dennis, As we've discussed previously there is almost a "religious" split between those that work on forums and those that work on MLs and DLs. Very few of those involved in the governance of the forums would have anything to do with DLs/MLs and v.v. However, what you are really talking abou

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton > wrote: >> Please just do it this way: >> >> >> >> ASF is very clear on what is required for *its* releases and this page >> appears to be co

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

2011-09-01 Thread Terry Ellison
OK, Rob, I now understand your point. I will do as you request. However, it seems to me that by making this request you are creating an interesting catch-22: I far as I can see there are two facets to this invitation. * *Sufficiency*. These forums are closed because this gives the

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Please just do it this way: > > > That's what I've been looking at from the start. I don't just make these things up in my sleep. > ASF is very clear on what is required for *its* releases and th

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Please just do it this way: > > > > ASF is very clear on what is required for *its* releases and this page > appears to be comprehensive. The Apache rules break down into reporting to users and no

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-09-01 Thread Daniel Shahaf
orcmid@a.o has access to SMTP at smtps://people.apachea.org:465/ Moderators can approve emails from any address, but access to the -log, -list, and the moderator's version of -help only works from the address listed as moderator. Only infra can change the moderator addresses on a list. Dennis E

Re: draft blog post on the Linux build education event

2011-09-01 Thread drew
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 14:27 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > > > > > > http://www.apache.org/dev/blogs.html describes the > > (public) preview url for blog articles. > > > > > > Thanks for the hint, Joe. > > If I understood it correctly, this version

RE: draft blog post on the Linux build education event

2011-09-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
1. The post looks fine. 2. I had to use my author/editor login. I also can't tell whether it is post-dated. I think that is what puts them where they can be seen, but not sure. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011

RE: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-09-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I think you are right. I already have a list where orc...@apache.org is a moderator, so I will see if I can access the moderator features there. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Eike Rathke [mailto:o...@erack.de] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 08:11 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.o

RE: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

2011-09-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Terry, do you know if those administrative controls extend to the management of the mailing lists, such as the ones for http://fr.openoffice.org (apparently at ). Do you have any information on how we can empower someone to block a bad echo? Every post t

RE: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Please just do it this way: ASF is very clear on what is required for *its* releases and this page appears to be comprehensive. (I finally found where I saw this before. It has also been discussed here or on the ooo-private list before. I remembered it

Re: draft blog post on the Linux build education event

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > > > http://www.apache.org/dev/blogs.html describes the > (public) preview url for blog articles. > > Thanks for the hint, Joe. If I understood it correctly, this version should be viewable. It works for me, but you never know when persistent

Re: ooo-users list now available

2011-09-01 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi Rob, Perhaps you should use the new list for the education event? Given that we haven't made any release yet I think this would also serve to feed the user archive with the build instructions. Just a thought, if this is more of a developer event and/or you also plan a walkthrough the code the

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Terry Ellison wrote: > Rob, > > This was a polite invitation to committers if they wanted to see how the > forums operate.  I will take your -1 to mean that you don't want to take me > up on the offer. > Let me be clearer then. The -1 is to your proposal to invite

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

2011-09-01 Thread Terry Ellison
Rob, This was a polite invitation to committers if they wanted to see how the forums operate. I will take your -1 to mean that you don't want to take me up on the offer. Your reply is a valid topic but entirely off *this* topic. Unfortunately since this is a DL and not a forum, I can't mov

ooo-users list now available

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
Let joy be unconfined. Let there be dancing in the streets. And thanks, Joe. Moderators are automatically subscribed, I think. Others can join with an email to ooo-users-subscribe.incubator.apache.org Follow up items, which I'd welcome help with: 1) Once the archives are created, which can tak

Re: draft blog post on the Linux build education event

2011-09-01 Thread Joe Schaefer
http://www.apache.org/dev/blogs.html describes the (public) preview url for blog articles. > >From: Rob Weir >To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:44 PM >Subject: Re: draft blog post on the Linux build education event > >On Thu,

Re: draft blog post on the Linux build education event

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: > 2011/9/1 Rob Weir : >> https://blogs.apache.org/roller-ui/authoring/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_org_developer_education >> > > how can I login? > Oh... I was hoping you could all see that. Darn. There was a call for logi

Re: draft blog post on the Linux build education event

2011-09-01 Thread drew
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 19:37 +0200, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: > 2011/9/1 Rob Weir : > > https://blogs.apache.org/roller-ui/authoring/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_org_developer_education > > > > how can I login? Same here - can't comment on what I can't see. //drew

Re: draft blog post on the Linux build education event

2011-09-01 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
2011/9/1 Rob Weir : > https://blogs.apache.org/roller-ui/authoring/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_org_developer_education > how can I login? thanks in advance M.

RE: [patch] add rpm in the archive names

2011-09-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
An alternative for patches that one is hesitant/unable to commit is to submit them with an issue on the now-live issue tracker at http://issues.apache.org/ooo/ We should be using this bug tracker heavily now. It is the best way to place material where it will be seen and reviewed without being

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Terry Ellison wrote: > Anyone is able to join the OOo Community forums, but we also have a number > of closed forums use for internal management of the site.  If any committers > would like to have access to these, then just make sure that they've got an > active a

An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

2011-09-01 Thread Terry Ellison
Anyone is able to join the OOo Community forums, but we also have a number of closed forums use for internal management of the site. If any committers would like to have access to these, then just make sure that they've got an active account on the current production service (not ooo-forums.ap

Re: Fwd: openoffice.org not responding

2011-09-01 Thread Andrew Rist
On 8/31/2011 10:43 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: Hi Andrew-- On 08/31/2011 10:17 AM, Andrew Rist wrote: This is not related to the DNS transfer. That process has not yet begun, and appropriate warning will be given when it is. That trans

Re: Apache project community and external community

2011-09-01 Thread Ian Lynch
On 31 August 2011 23:16, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 31 August 2011 17:06, Dennis E. Hamilton > wrote: > > That makes no sense. > > I don't agree. There are other copies of the code out there managed > under different licenses and different approaches. Those who choose to > be here do so under thei

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Danese Cooper wrote: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton >> wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> >> 1) Was something similar every done for OpenOffice.org?  Most software >> >> companies are aware of

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Danese Cooper
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton > wrote: > > > > >> 1) Was something similar every done for OpenOffice.org? Most software > >> companies are aware of this US export regulation and do this > >> declaration as a matter o

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > While here, > > Can Apache projects rely on Mozilla's nss (MPL)? > See this page on current view from Apache legal: http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-b > I looked for alternatives but I only found the java based > Boun

RE: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
While here, Can Apache projects rely on Mozilla's nss (MPL)? I looked for alternatives but I only found the java based Bouncy Castle: http://www.bouncycastle.org/ cheers, Pedro. --- On Thu, 9/1/11, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > From: Dennis E. Hamilton > Subject: RE: Request dev help: Info f

Incubator PMC/Board report for September 2011 (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org)

2011-09-01 Thread no-reply
Dear OpenOffice.org Developers, This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to prepare your quarterly board report. The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 21 September 2011, 10 am Pacific. The report f

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-09-01 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Dennis, On Wednesday, 2011-08-31 18:29:02 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Hmm, for (2) I think you have to use orc...@msn.com for me, then. > Most of my e-mail addresses (including orc...@apache.org) are not > associated with an SMTP server, if I get your drift. I think what counts is the

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-09-01 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Dennis, On Wednesday, 2011-08-31 18:29:02 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Oh, so it wasn't actually an MS Office file, but a spoof with a .doc filename? I only vaguely remember, but I think it was that way. > That would definitely be hard to catch. I'm not sure what would cause > it to e

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-09-01 Thread Rob Weir
JIRA issue entered: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-3905 -Rob On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Hey, over here (waving arm in the air)! > > Yes, I will moderate ooo-users. > > Do you need a minimum of three? > > It would also be good to have one additional

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-09-01 Thread Marc-Oliver Straub
I switched to gcc44, and get the following build error: Entering /tmp/apache_oo/svn_clean/ooo/main/xml2cmp/source/finder Compiling: xml2cmp/source/finder/dependy.cxx /tmp/apache_oo/svn_clean/ooo/main/solver/340/unxlngx6.pro/bin/makedepend: error while loading shared libraries: /tmp/apache_oo/sv

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