On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Rob, Drew, Dennis and all,
Here you go.
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Concrete+Proposal+for+Migration
You see I am a poor wiki editor.
:)
Just so it is clear: Is this the proposal that the
On Sun, 2011-09-11 at 08:14 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Rob, Drew, Dennis and all,
Here you go.
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Concrete+Proposal+for+Migration
You see I am a poor wiki editor.
As Drew said.
The proposal is being seriously considered by Forum personnel; we want to allow
time for consideration, also input from members temporarily off line for
whatever reason.
--
Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie
Hi Rob, Drew, Dennis and all,
Here you go.
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Concrete+Proposal+for+Migration
You see I am a poor wiki editor.
:)
Please make it looking better.
Thanks,
khirano
On 9/10/2011 05:52, Kazunari Hirano wrote:
Hi Rob, Drew, Dennis and all,
Here you go.
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Concrete+Proposal+for+Migration
You see I am a poor wiki editor.
:)
Please make it looking better.
Thanks,
khirano
Looks pretty good to me :-) . All it
On Sat, 2011-09-10 at 07:34 -0400, TJ Frazier wrote:
where you actually have names ;-) )
A rose by any other.
For the moment this is just the account names - Khirano was good enough
to kick this off, and good he did - there are a few irregularities with
group assignments (which I think is
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
and...@pitonyak.org wrote:
On 09/06/2011 10:04 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
It couldn't have been all that bad if you spent so much time volunteering
on those boards. -Rob
The problem is that the forum was setup years ago by a single
On 08/09/2011 15:06, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 09:54:33 -0400
Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote:
Thanks for sharing the history on this. It is useful (I think) to
understand the history of this community and what they've been through
in the past, what problems they've
Hi Rob and all,
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Yes, Hirano-san, take your time. There is no advantage to rushing
this. In fact, we can all take some time to cool down as well.
Good. Thanks.
:)
[1]
On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 00:15 +0900, Kazunari Hirano wrote:
Hi Rob and all,
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Yes, Hirano-san, take your time. There is no advantage to rushing
this. In fact, we can all take some time to cool down as well.
Good. Thanks.
On Thu, 2011-09-08 at 11:49 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Rob and all,
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Yes, Hirano-san, take your time. There is no advantage to rushing
this. In
2011/9/7 Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com:
On 2011-09-06 8:04 PM Rob Weir wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
and...@pitonyak.org wrote:
On 09/04/2011 02:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
If you do not own the hardware, the domain name and the trademark, then
you are
Indeed. I have 1743 posts on the old forums, but last one was on
December 2007, /almost four years ago/: since then I only participated
on the new forums. What's wrong with that?
It's worse for me. ;-) I have post 7 messages on oooforum.org since nov. 2005
Fortunately, I catch up in the FR forum
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:04, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
and...@pitonyak.org wrote:
On 09/04/2011 02:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Terry Ellisonte...@ellisons.org.uk
wrote:
On 04/09/11 18:01, Rob
Who exactly are you?
Please stop posting from a completely bogus email while spoofing a non-existing
apache.org email address.
Regards,
Dave
On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:53 PM, FR web forum wrote:
Indeed. I have 1743 posts on the old forums, but last one was on
December 2007, /almost four years
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Reizinger Zoltán zreizin...@hdsnet.hu
wrote:
snip
Why you think the volunteers and admins will join to this list, if you
not
makes any steps into the other directions?
I'm assuming the
On Sep 7, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Reizinger Zoltán zreizin...@hdsnet.hu
wrote:
snip
Why you think the volunteers and admins will join to this list, if you
not
makes
On 8 Sep 2011, at 00:04, Dave Fisher wrote:
+1, they are when a few individuals dominate the conversation making it
difficult for consensus to build or solutions to be defined. Instead we went
round and round.
Agreed. It would be wonderful if responses could amplify the part of proposals
Hi Simon -
There are significant advantages to top posting when carefully done.
Let's end this thread, and hope that one of the forum proposal threads is
restarted with some restatement of someone's understanding of where a consensus
might be. We were getting somewhere with a pragmatic
. Time to clean up, learn the lesson, and stay
the course.
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 16:04
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators
Hi,
Le 8 sept. 11 à 01:04, Dave Fisher a écrit :
Honestly this seems like mailing lists are an awful way to take
decision.
Someones votes will be swamped by the hundred of other emails
comenting and
flamewaring making the vote completely disappeared. We need better
software
to account
2011/9/5 Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com:
My only concern
is the visibility into private discussions relating to list policies.
Just to be clear: discussions about policies are very rare, and
happened mostly on the past during the forum self-organization. Most
of the time discussions on
On 09/04/2011 02:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Terry Ellisonte...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
On 04/09/11 18:01, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Terry Ellisonte...@ellisons.org.uk
wrote:
On 04/09/11 17:22, Simon Phipps wrote:
If you do not own the
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
and...@pitonyak.org wrote:
On 09/04/2011 02:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Terry Ellisonte...@ellisons.org.uk
wrote:
On 04/09/11 18:01, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Terry
On 2011-09-06 8:04 PM Rob Weir wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
and...@pitonyak.org wrote:
On 09/04/2011 02:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
If you do not own the hardware, the domain name and the trademark, then you are operating
at the pleasure of those who do own these
Hi Ross and all,
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
I don't see any problems with adopting what seems to be, for all
intents an purposes, the same process on the forums. My only concern
is the visibility into private discussions relating to list
Hi Rob and all,
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
You also have other options which would require greater coordination
with the Apache, including moving the forums into the AOOo project. I
prefer that option, but this is not my decision. This is something
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Rob and all,
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
You also have other options which would require greater coordination
with the Apache, including moving the forums into the AOOo project.
On 04/09/11 23:22, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 4 September 2011 22:37, Terry Ellisonte...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
On 04/09/11 22:13, Dave Fisher wrote:
On Sep 4, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Terry Ellisonte...@ellisons.org.uk
...
If several members of the
On Monday, 5 September 2011, Terry Ellison te...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
On 04/09/11 23:22, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 4 September 2011 22:37, Terry Ellisonte...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
On 04/09/11 22:13, Dave Fisher wrote:
On Sep 4, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at
drew wrote on Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 14:12:49 -0400:
On Sun, 2011-09-04 at 14:05 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Being a member-based organization the ASF requires
that all foundation activities be subject to member
Subject: Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and
volunteers
[ ... ]
If you do not own the hardware, the domain name and the trademark,
then you are operating at the pleasure of those who do own these
things. That might feel like autonomy, but that is illusory
Rob Weir wrote on Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 13:01:50 -0400:
I think it would be good if they made up their mind soon. I thought
we were close to the physical migration being completed. If the
current volunteers are not on board with the Apache project, then
we'll need to explore alternative
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote:
Rob Weir wrote on Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 13:01:50 -0400:
I think it would be good if they made up their mind soon. I thought
we were close to the physical migration being completed. If the
current volunteers are not
Hi,
On Monday, 2011-09-05 15:33:13 +0300, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
Dennis, some of your recent replies (including the one I'm replying to)
break threading (at least in Mutt), could you look into that please?
That seems to be some general problem with MS Outlook Dennis uses that
omits References
Hi Rob and all,
I would like to know about migration of the Japanese Community Forum,
http://user.services.openoffice.org/ja/forum/;
It has three admins.
1. DrewJensen
2. TerryE
3. khirano
It has six global moderators
1. DrewJensen
2. foral
3. khirano
4. NakataMaho
5. parpy
6. TerryE
As you
There are views of the mentors which we need to weight heavily. There
are the views of the PPMC members actually doing the work -- me and the
5 other PPMC members doing the work -- which as far as I understand also
carry some weight, and then there are the views of other PPMC
non-involved
Eike Rathke wrote on Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 16:35:32 +0200:
Hi,
On Monday, 2011-09-05 15:33:13 +0300, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
Dennis, some of your recent replies (including the one I'm replying to)
break threading (at least in Mutt), could you look into that please?
That seems to be some
@incubator.apache.org
Subject: threading Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators
and volunteers
Dennis, some of your recent replies (including the one I'm replying to)
break threading (at least in Mutt), could you look into that please?
(The mails appear in the same thread
Subject: Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and
volunteers
drew wrote on Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 14:12:49 -0400:
On Sun, 2011-09-04 at 14:05 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Being a member-based
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Rob and all,
I would like to know about migration of the Japanese Community Forum,
http://user.services.openoffice.org/ja/forum/;
It has three admins.
1. DrewJensen
2. TerryE
3. khirano
It has six global
On Mon, 5 Sep 2011 09:34:48 -0700
Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
snip
Whether to move to deletion or simply expunge immediately might be a choice
of the moderator. I do not know.
In general, blatant spam posts, advertising sales sites, are immediately
expunged. Sites
, September 05, 2011 09:35
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: threading Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins,
moderators and volunteers
Daniel,
I don't generally have any way of knowing what does and does not influence
threading. I don't have threading in my mail client
: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org]
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 09:35
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: threading Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins,
moderators and volunteers
Daniel,
I don't generally have any way of knowing what does and does
On 5 September 2011 17:52, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2011 09:34:48 -0700
Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
snip
Whether to move to deletion or simply expunge immediately might be a choice
of the moderator. I do not know.
In general, blatant spam
Hi Rob,
As a Hu forum admin and not a native English speaker lot of time raised
the forum question from beginning.
I dissatisfied with your ignorant behavior to forums, you not want to
make any steps to understand our questions.
Not registered into forums, and not see into the discussions.
On 04/09/11 15:15, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Terry Ellisonte...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
A few days ago, I made the statement below and received a generally robust
and unapologetic response. I don't want to rehash this again, but this
tipped the balance for me and I
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Terry Ellison te...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
On 04/09/11 15:15, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Terry Ellisonte...@ellisons.org.uk
wrote:
A few days ago, I made the statement below and received a generally
robust
and unapologetic response. I
On Sep 4, 2011 3:45 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
I don't think discussions about how the project is run is something
that we should be doing in private. Discussing such matters, even if
strong opinions are raised, is the essence of transparency. Remember,
controversial is not the
Rob, the volunteers on the forums want to keep providing a service for
all OOo end-users that they can take pride and dignity in. That's all.
The debating style here can be robust and sometimes falls far below the
standard that we expect participants to follow.
2011.09.04. 16:42 keltezéssel, Rob Weir írta:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Reizinger Zoltánzreizin...@hdsnet.hu wrote:
snip
Why you think the volunteers and admins will join to this list, if you not
makes any steps into the other directions?
I'm assuming the volunteers and admins want
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On Sep 4, 2011 3:45 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
I don't think discussions about how the project is run is something
that we should be doing in private. Discussing such matters, even if
strong opinions are
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 10:45:31 -0400
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
I don't think discussions about how the project is run is something
that we should be doing in private. Discussing such matters, even if
strong opinions are raised, is the essence of transparency. Remember,
controversial
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote:
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 10:45:31 -0400
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
I don't think discussions about how the project is run is something
that we should be doing in private. Discussing such matters, even if
strong
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 11:52:00 -0400
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Your information is incomplete then. Earlier in the thread Terry said
that there were ongoing discussions in the private forum that
paralleled this discussion. I assume you are aware of that thread?
Such discusssions were
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Terry Ellison te...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
Rob, the volunteers on the forums want to keep providing a service for all
OOo end-users that they can take pride and dignity in. That's all. The
debating style here can be robust and sometimes falls far below the
On Sep 4, 2011 5:14 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Another thing to note is that the existing forum volunteers do not
own the support forums. They do not operate autonomously.
Are you sure? I believe they do.
S.
On 04/09/11 17:22, Simon Phipps wrote:
On Sep 4, 2011 5:14 PM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote:
Another thing to note is that the existing forum volunteers do not
own the support forums. They do not operate autonomously.
Are you sure? I believe they do.
+1 to Simons view -1 to Rob.
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote:
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 11:52:00 -0400
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Your information is incomplete then. Earlier in the thread Terry said
that there were ongoing discussions in the private forum that
paralleled this
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Terry Ellison te...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
On 04/09/11 17:22, Simon Phipps wrote:
On Sep 4, 2011 5:14 PM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote:
Another thing to note is that the existing forum volunteers do not
own the support forums. They do not operate
On 04/09/11 16:49, Rob Weir wrote:
... we are not discussing project operations on ooo-private. We
use that list for voting in new committers and for exchanging
confidential information, like the real email addresses of new
committers. Almost any other attempted use of ooo-private has been
Terry Ellison wrote on Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 18:09:15 +0100:
On 04/09/11 16:49, Rob Weir wrote:
... we are not discussing project operations on ooo-private. We
use that list for voting in new committers and for exchanging
confidential information, like the real email addresses of new
On 04/09/11 18:01, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Terry Ellisonte...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
On 04/09/11 17:22, Simon Phipps wrote:
On Sep 4, 2011 5:14 PM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.orgwrote:
Another thing to note is that the existing forum volunteers do not
own the support
delay.
From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2011 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and
volunteers
On Sep 4, 2011 3:45 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote
On 04/09/11 18:15, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
...
If the forums community doesn't want to become part of the ASF project
then why has the PPMC asked infra to migrate the forums to ASF hardware?
...
Because those of us who are engaged on the project thought that it's the
best thing to do, and want
: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and
volunteers
On Sep 4, 2011 3:45 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
I don't think discussions about how the project is run is something
that we should be doing in private. Discussing such matters, even if
strong opinions are raised
On Sun, 2011-09-04 at 14:05 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Being a member-based organization the ASF requires
that all foundation activities be subject to member
scrutiny (with only a handful of operational exceptions).
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Terry Ellison te...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
On 04/09/11 18:36, Joe Schaefer wrote:
Being a member-based organization the ASF requires
that all foundation activities be subject to member
scrutiny (with only a handful of operational exceptions).
I would be
, September 04, 2011 07:46
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and
volunteers
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Terry Ellison te...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
On 04/09/11 15:15, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Terry
On 4 September 2011 22:37, Terry Ellison te...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
On 04/09/11 22:13, Dave Fisher wrote:
On Sep 4, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Terry Ellisonte...@ellisons.org.uk
...
If several members of the PPMC are participating as forum
amongst the community admins, moderators and
volunteers
[ ... ]
If you do not own the hardware, the domain name and the trademark,
then you are operating at the pleasure of those who do own these
things. That might feel like autonomy, but that is illusory. If you
want to see what autonomy looks
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and
volunteers
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote:
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 10:45:31 -0400
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
I don't think discussions about how
and I'm
betting that any ASF Member would be equally welcome.
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 11:06
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators
amongst the community admins, moderators and
volunteers
Terry Ellison wrote on Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 18:09:15 +0100:
On 04/09/11 16:49, Rob Weir wrote:
... we are not discussing project operations on ooo-private. We
use that list for voting in new committers and for exchanging
confidential
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