On 5/31/06, David J. Orman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On May 31, 2006, at 6:39 PM, Bart Smaalders wrote:
Weird. You see this on all sorts of hardware including dual core
machines. What kind of hardware are you seeing this on now?
Intel 945PSN motherboard
Intel 805 Pentium D processor
eVGA
On Sunday 28 May 2006 07:58 pm, James Carlson wrote:
Would there be an adventage of removing gcc from
/usr/sfw and replacing
it with the Sun Studio compilers?
(and thus moving gcc to the companion CD)
Note that this question is really a Solaris
question, and not an Open
Solaris
Matt Ingenthron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dennis Clarke wrote:
No Solaris x86 ? Are we able to perhaps
influence this to have more up to
date software options ?
I for one have posted to their user forum, asking
for a recompile to
x86. I suggest all interested parties
Jeff Bonwick wrote:
In many cases ZFS will perform better already; in some cases it will
perform worse; but in almost all cases it will perform *differently*.
and as a result many of the solutions to getting better performance for
ZFS will be completely different to the types of things done
I'm not talking servers but desktop clients. This means that they most
likely for most of the time end up with big vendors such as Dell, IBM,
Fujitsu Siemens, HP and so on. If you look closer up till recenty ALL of
those business boxes came with the latest Intel chipset and CPU. 95% still
do
On Wed, 31 May 2006, Paul Gress wrote:
Artem Kachitchkine wrote:
Most of this paragraph was building up to a valid point, but the ending kind
of ruined it for me :) You talk about business needs, but suddenly all that
doesn't matter since Linux is hipper anyway. Is that what decision makers
On Thursday 01 June 2006 12:03 am, Bob Palowoda wrote:
Easy to see my previous comments just go to the opensolaris.org website
and click on the discussions. I didn't want gcc removed I was talking
about upgrading the old rev. But as James said it has nothing
to do with the opensolaris
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
Which brings up the other question - why on gods green earth did SUN go
with
GNOME? why not just buy out Trolltech, release Qt under CDDL?
C++
--
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Bart Smaalders wrote:
Philip Brown wrote:
you can also get the in-memory footprint down to about 64megs of RAM.
this should be way under your requirements. It should be trivial to get a
cheap small machine that has a 1ghz cpu with 128megs RAM, and that
should
be more than plenty for your
They did make the final decision last year.
The process did start in autumn 2000 when the Linux
Verband Deutschland
did aproach the OFD Niedersachsen and did tell them
that Sun will shut down
Solaris x86 support. The final convincing work did
start in autumn 2004.
This is wy I did
Is there a way to overlay single files using lofs
like /lib/libc.so.1
is a lofs-mount to a hardware-optimizsed version
version ? I tried the
same using mount but it refuses to operate on
single files... ;-(
How does the boot process get this working ?
Huh? What???
su -
Password:
mkfile -v
that said, you obviously have quite a clue about what
unix is and we
wouldn't want to make all your pains takingly
acquired knowledge obsolete
in one fell swoop, so you can rest easy knowing that
we'll leave the
reboot -r flag there for backwards compatability,
and so you can
reboot all
UNIX admin wrote:
Would a Solaris kernel engineer please be so kind as to translate the following
for me:
the following is just an example parameter, but my question concerns ALL
OBSOLETED kernel parameters in Solaris 10 (conceptual question).
msgsys:msginfo_msgmni (Solaris 9 Releases)
Octave Orgeron writes:
prtdiag and cfgadm only help out so far. For example, prtdiag will tell you
what's on a pci slot, but it does not tell you what instance that card
matches up to. So you still have to look at /etc/path_to_inst or the links
/dev to figure that out. Cfgadm is definitely
UNIX admin wrote:
In this particular case the answer is 'none of the
above'. See
http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/
common/os/msg.c#91
an
http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/
common/os/project.c#779.
So you can still set it in /etc/system and if you do,
UNIX admin wrote:
In this particular case the answer is 'none of the
above'. See
http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/
common/os/msg.c#91
and
http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/
common/os/project.c#779.
So you can still set it in /etc/system and if you
Hi James,
I agree, this topic has reached critical mass for a separate mailing
list and project. I think this is definitely an area in Solaris that
can be improved. I would be more than willing to support this either
thru its own community or thru the Systems Administrator community.
Octave
Alan DuBoff wrote On 05/31/06 22:28,:
On Wednesday 31 May 2006 08:50 pm, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
So, what is it? is Solaris a desktop or a server operating system? come on,
admit it, you're just burning to say, Matty, its a server OS!
No, most folks at this point are just burning to ask,
On May 31, 2006, at 7:13 PM, Artem Kachitchkine wrote:
...Even if they could I doubt such customers would go for it as
Linux is just more hip and decision makers for sure don't get
grilled for picking it. Maybe those people would even consider
OpenSolaris not ready for business.
Most
To be particular, if I have a Solaris kernel tunable
pertinent to Oracle on Solaris 8, what do I do with
this tunable on Solaris 10 when the tunable is marked
as obsolete?
You would set (if required) a corresponding resource control. For more
details, see the
following chapter from the
On 6/1/06, UNIX admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would a Solaris kernel engineer please be so kind as to translate the following for me:the following is just an example parameter, but my question concerns ALL OBSOLETED kernel parameters in Solaris 10 (conceptual question).
msgsys:msginfo_msgmni
One assumes
that when Sun is solely backing GNOME, that there is
no 'officiallly supported' KDE for Solaris - all very
nice to have a 'community working on it' but
companies like the warm fuzzy feeling knowing that
there are people they can ring up and abuse when
things go wrong.
brbrWhich
They did make the final decision last year.
The process did start in autumn 2000 when the
Linux
Verband Deutschland
did aproach the OFD Niedersachsen and did tell
them
that Sun will shut down
Solaris x86 support. The final convincing work did
start in autumn 2004.
This is wy I
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
As a desktop, the lag is terrible, I'm using a Radeon X300/550 sitting
on a PCIe; all lovely-jubbly - running FreeBSD, my desktop with KDE is
'teh snappy' (to coin a Mac phrase), but when it comes to using the
default Xorg with Solaris 10 01/06 (which is 6.8.2), coupled
Nicolas Linkert wrote:
One assumes
that when Sun is solely backing GNOME, that there is
no 'officiallly supported' KDE for Solaris - all very
nice to have a 'community working on it' but
companies like the warm fuzzy feeling knowing that
there are people they can ring up and abuse when
things go
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
Which brings up the other question - why on gods green earth did SUN go
with GNOME?
http://www.sun.com/software/star/gnome/faq/generalfaq.xml#q23 has some
of the answers - it's missing a few reasons, like C++ is a nightmare to
use for system libraries since we'd have to
Nicolas Linkert wrote:
AND - something one should never forget: SUN is a North American company which
means GNOME is generally more acceptable there. KDE might have its followers in
Europe, but in North America this is just the other way around.
heh. Most of the people involved in choosing
I don't think so. Linux on the desktop certainly is
not crap. It certainly has enough features for a
business desktop. And at the moment it is more mature
than Solaris on the desktop. Just try out Ubuntu for
a change.
Whether Linux on the desktop is crap or not is completely irrelevant.
Whether Linux on the desktop is crap or not is
completely irrelevant.
It's a matter of logistics. Linux is a mess and as
such is simply not supportable and maintainable,
because it doesn't scale in terms of management; the
overhead of maintaining the thing becomes too great
very, very
Alan Coopersmith wrote:
Nicolas Linkert wrote:
AND - something one should never forget: SUN is a North American
company which means GNOME is generally more acceptable there. KDE
might have its followers in Europe, but in North America this is just
the other way around.
heh. Most of the
Would a Solaris kernel engineer please be so kind as to translate the
following for me:
the following is just an example parameter, but my question concerns ALL
OBSOLETED kernel paramete
rs in Solaris 10 (conceptual question).
msgsys:msginfo_msgmni (Solaris 9 Releases)
Obsolete in the Solaris
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Nicolas Linkert wrote:
Under the hood Solaris has many more advanced features. But that's
really not important on a desktop system. There you'll have ext3
instead of zfs - well, who really cares? It runs a stable Linux
distribution and it just works. And that's what really
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, UNIX admin wrote:
They'll be sorry they went with Linux pretty fast. But, it should
prove a good lesson to them, once and for all.
Right. There was a story on sun.com recently about some high profile
guy (whose name escapes me at the moment) who did a cost anaylsis of
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Nicolas Linkert wrote:
I am not sure at all. Since big players such as IBM are backing
Linux ...
Well of course THEY are; what else do they have to offer in that space?
IMHO they'd be better off backing Solaris x86.
--
Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
Btw, how stable is Solaris Express? am I better off heading to Solaris
Very.
Express if one is simply a desktop user? I'm woundering since Solaris
Express has many more features and improvements over the more conservative
Solaris release, would I
Uhm... that's the point where you are IMO slightly wrong. The exact
requirement is that inodes and data need to be seperated.
I find that difficult to believe.
What you need is performance. Based on your experiences with
completely different, static-metadata architectures, you've
concluded
Hi all,
Quick question: given that Solaris Express comes bundled with
StarOffice 7, and that version is now old, when can we expect
StarOffice 8 to be bundled with Solaris Express and updates to S10?
If it's not too late, I'd like to StarOffice 8 in Update 2.
I ask because right now it's hard
I sent similar feedback during S10U2 Beta program. And I think Im not alone
here :)
At least we should see that in Express.
stefan
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My company generally ships cross-platform server binaries on Windows,
Solaris, Linux, and sometimes AIX.
For my product, it somewhat distresses me that we are considering
discontinuing Solaris, and AIX (who cares) support and moving to Linux
only.
I know that article below does have some FUD,
I agree that some consolidation and reorganization is
required for the /dev tree. However, I do believe
it's important to maintain compatibility.
There is no doubt about the need to support the existing
device naming system. If there are changes, they are going
to be incremental.
Many
On Thursday 01 June 2006 06:44 am, Bonnie Corwin wrote:
OpenSolaris is far more than ON at this point - have you checked out the
downloads page recently?
NWS, JDS, X, packaging software from Install, pieces of DevPro, pieces
of G11N, 4 manuals from Pubs.
How does Sun package this up then? I
On Thursday 01 June 2006 06:48 am, John Martinez wrote:
On May 31, 2006, at 7:13 PM, Artem Kachitchkine wrote:
...Even if they could I doubt such customers would go for it as
Linux is just more hip and decision makers for sure don't get
grilled for picking it. Maybe those people would even
On Thursday 01 June 2006 09:45 am, Bruno Delbono wrote:
Solaris is a better Linux than Linux —Marc Andreessen
You know what...that ticked me off. I love Sun but such viral marketing
campaigns?
Anyways, here is a response on that topic
http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/55094/index.html
He's pointing out how the rest of the universe outside of Sun sees
Linux. I can't say I disagree with him on his point. Not that *I
personally* see Linux as a safe bet, but that decision makers
definitely do. The tech press (which lots of CIOs read)
portrays Linux
in a good light to
Thanks to Rainer Orth for these four fixes below and to Sarah Jelinek
for sponsoring the work through to putback. We now have 73 fixes
integrated, 38 with sponsors in progress, and 23 awaiting sponsors:
http://opensolaris.org/os/bug_reports/request_sponsor/
Putback 70
ID: 6409228
Desc:
On Thursday 01 June 2006 10:46 am, James Carlson wrote:
I'm confused. I thought integration (beyond the usual design and
archtectural considerations in each project) was a job for particular
distributions, not something that Open Solaris itself provides.
You'll find all those non-ON things
Alan DuBoff writes:
You'll find all those non-ON things Bonnie mentioned on the web site
today. What more did you want?
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/
So, someone shows up to eat dinner. Instead of a meal presented to them on a
plate, there's a bag of groceries to
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Alan DuBoff wrote:
This is afterall the first time that Sun is actually behind and promoting
Solaris on x86/x64 systems, and the x64 product is ahead of any other 64-bit
OS in it's category. Sun has the software, Sun has the hardware to back it up
with systems coming
Alan DuBoff wrote:
On Thursday 01 June 2006 06:44 am, Bonnie Corwin wrote:
OpenSolaris is far more than ON at this point - have you checked out the
downloads page recently?
NWS, JDS, X, packaging software from Install, pieces of DevPro, pieces
of G11N, 4 manuals from Pubs.
How does Sun
On Thu 06/01/06 at 09:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Solaris is a better Linux than Linux ?Marc Andreessen
You know what...that ticked me off. I love Sun but such viral marketing
campaigns?
Anyways, here is a response on that topic
http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/55094/index.html
Alan DuBoff wrote:
So, someone shows up to eat dinner. Instead of a meal presented to them on a
plate, there's a bag of groceries to prepare.
How many of those folks do you think will come back and eat at this resturaunt
again?
If they want a restaurant meal, they go to a restaurant.
If
Rich Teer wrote:
If it's not too late, I'd like to StarOffice 8 in Update 2.
It's so far beyond too late for Update 2 it's not even funny.
I ask because right now it's hard for me to advocate ODF when the
tools that come with Solaris/SOlaris Exoress can't generate it! Yes,
I could download
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
It's so far beyond too late for Update 2 it's not even funny.
OK, how about Update 3? :-)
StarOffice in SX should be the latest StarOffice 7 patch release which
includes ODF support.
Oh, cool. I'm currently running Nevada Build 33 on my machines
Bob Palowoda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As you all know the GCC team has released as of May 26 the GCC 4.1.1 compiler
suite.
With respect to build 37 of Nevada the gcc version is 3.4.3 which might be a
little dated
from the 3.4.6 build from the gcc.gnu.org site. Thank you all the
Since SO8 could eventually become a significant revenue source for SUN, perhaps
OpenOffice.org 2.0.2 may be a better option to be included?
OpenOffice.org has essentially the same code base as StarOffice, but without
Sun's enhancements. OpenOffice.org is not a discounted version, but one
Is this perhaps Godwin's law for opensolaris-discuss?
I don't know.
(If a discussion on OpenSolaris lasts long enough, someone will mention
package tools)
(Perhaps because SVR4 tools leave something to be desired.)
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Which tunable it is ?
It's a shopping list of tunables. My job is to find out how those pertain to
Solaris 10.
Have you looked at Solaris Tunable Parameters Reference Manual
http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-0404
Of course I have. That's where it says for some of them that they are
They are obsolete from /etc/system but still exist on the system as pramaters with a different name and are controled by the resource control commands.
On 6/1/06, a b [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which tunable it is ?It's a shopping list of tunables. My job is to find out how those pertain toSolaris
Dan Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's somewhere between infeasible and you'd-rather-kill-yourself-instead
painful to do this with teamware as we use it today, so perhaps that's
my teamware-centric view of the world showing through.
But I think it'd also be nice to keep the BFU archives,
Sorry to top post, but here goes: you'll find that seemingly EVERYTHING on
lxer.com is no better than your observations of this particular topic. They are
no better than extreme right/left publications on politics, they just cover
linux/everything that is not linux, and it's *ALWAYS* the same
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, UNIX admin wrote:
I don't think so. Linux on the desktop certainly is
not crap. It certainly has enough features for a
business desktop. And at the moment it is more mature
than Solaris on the desktop. Just try out Ubuntu for
a change.
Whether Linux on the desktop is crap
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
Which brings up the other question - why on gods
green earth did SUN go
with GNOME?
http://www.sun.com/software/star/gnome/faq/generalfaq.
xml#q23 has some
of the answers - it's missing a few reasons, like
C++ is a nightmare to
use for system libraries since
Ron Halstead writes:
Often, slow response time is a symptom of broken name servers --
missing IN PTR records for the addresses in use, for instance. Using
nslookup or dig to probe those out might be helpful
As I said in my original post, I am pinging a host, sol10, which is
on my local LAN
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Alan DuBoff wrote:
...
He's pointing out how the rest of the universe outside of Sun sees
Linux. I can't say I disagree with him on his point. Not that *I
personally* see Linux as a safe bet, but that decision makers
definitely do. The tech press (which lots of CIOs read)
Here is an update on OpenSolaris for the month of May:
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/content/newsletter/may06/
Feel free to send your contributions to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Linda
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On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, UNIX admin wrote:
... They'll be sorry they went with Linux pretty fast. But, it should
prove a good lesson to them, once and for all.
Even if this happens I doubt anyone will ever confess that moving 10k+
desktops to a different OS wasn't a success. So discussing what may
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Rich Teer wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Nicolas Linkert wrote:
I am not sure at all. Since big players such as IBM are backing
Linux ...
Well of course THEY are; what else do they have to offer in that space?
IMHO they'd be better off backing Solaris x86.
They should surely
On Thursday 01 June 2006 11:20 am, James Carlson wrote:
I'd be disappointed, too, if I walked into a grocery store and
expected restaurant service. The checkout people would probably be
just as puzzled by my order. ;-}
If they wanted a restaurant instead of a grocery store, they should
On Thursday 01 June 2006 11:19 am, Rich Teer wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Alan DuBoff wrote:
This is afterall the first time that Sun is actually behind and promoting
Solaris on x86/x64 systems, and the x64 product is ahead of any other
64-bit OS in it's category. Sun has the software, Sun
As a precursor, I apologize for the subject change, but that old subject was
way off base.
- Original Message -
From: Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, June 1, 2006 11:39 am
Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Sun lost one of it's biggest andoldest x86
customer
But how
Alan DuBoff wrote:
But how can you point out that JDS, X, or any other OSS is a part of
OpenSolaris? This makes no sense to me.
How can you claim they are not? That makes no sense to me.
They are available on opensolaris.org and form a part of the OS
distros people use. What makes them any
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 11:19:22AM -0700, Rich Teer wrote:
Agreed, although I have some concern about the marketing aspects. Keep on
marketing to the converted, but I think the biggest challenge for Sun's
marketroids is converting the uninitiated, i.e., creating more Sun/Solaris
brand
What would be needed in the way of additional drivers, boot support, etc to make
that happen? Is sufficient info available from publically available
OpenSolaris code,
etc?
In a perverse way, that might actually help get more software for x86; having a
single box with both SPARC and x86 (and of
On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 14:51 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
Alan DuBoff wrote:
But how can you point out that JDS, X, or any other OSS is a part of
OpenSolaris? This makes no sense to me.
How can you claim they are not? That makes no sense to me.
They are available on opensolaris.org
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 03:28:53PM -0700, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
What would be needed in the way of additional drivers, boot support, etc to
make
that happen? Is sufficient info available from publically available
OpenSolaris code,
etc?
you shouldnt need any extra drivers, etc, etc.
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
What would be needed in the way of additional drivers, boot support, etc to make
that happen? Is sufficient info available from publically available
OpenSolaris code,
etc?
FWIW, I have OpenSolaris running on a SunPCi card with VMware running
Artem Kachitchkine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One thing I don't get yet is why vold been dropped (was it?) over
rmvolmgr? And will vold co-exist with rmvolmgr? But may be I just
misread the document...
As I replied to you earlier, section 8, Vold EOF and backward compatibility
describes
RHEL ships with GNOME and KDE - one assumes that Red Hat supports both, in
way of technical support, and depending on the level of support, provide
fixes for bugs and security issues as well.
Red Hat support is the kind of support you need when you dont need support.
This message posted
[Apologize for the late clarification. We are aware of this thread
only very recently.]
There seems a lot of confusing around the Clearview project and
the /dev/net namespace it will introduce. As a team member of the
Clearview project, I'd like to make some clarification:
* A major component
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