subject:"\[ozmidwifery\] Breastfeeding"

[ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding: Milk, Health and Love

2007-02-09 Thread Barbara Glare & Chris Bright

Hi,

The Australian Breastfeeding Association will be holding our seminar series in
Brisbane Feb 2th, Sydney Feb 28th, Geelong March 1st and Adelaide March 2nd.  
There will also be a "Counselling the Breastfeeding Mother" workshop on the day 
before each of these, and also in Perth on March 2nd.

We have heard that several people from the Parliamentary Inquiry into 
breastfeeding will be attending the Adelaide seminar - a great chance to let 
them know your views!

These seminars are for health professionals, parents, and anyone interested in 
breastfeeding.  Great Speakers this year include Diane Spatz (USA) "Changing 
Intitutional culture to really support breastfeeding" and "Supporting the 
premature baby to breastfeed"  Pinky McKay (Bris and Sydney) "Milk, sleep and 
Love"  Dr Peter Mansfield "Educating or advertising does formula advertising 
influence you?" Dr Yvonne Luxford "Dental health and the breastfed child" Dr 
Gillian Opie "Breastfeeding and illicit drugs" and "Understanding and using the 
WHO growth charts"

To register online and to see the full program please go to 
http://www.lrc.asn.au/2007/
(please note that due to unforseen technical problems we cannot accept payment 
online, but you can register and mail or phone through your payment.

There are still spaces available for trade displays at most seminars.

Barb Glare
Counsellor, ABA Warrnambool Group
Mum of Zac, 13, Dan, 11, Cassie, 8 and Guan 3
Director, ABA and Mothers Direct
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.mothersdirect.com.au
Have you bought your 2007 calendar yet?

Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-24 Thread suzi and brett

Thats a really good point re the term  "B/F nazi" Barb, its amazing how words 
just slip into vocab and become naturalised there without due consideration, 
and its meant to be OK as it is embelished with so called humour , (not having 
a go at Jayne, or Di -? here at all)...i have used this term occassionally in 
the past and will never again...  you are so right, thank you Barb for being 
brave and tellin it like it is.  Love suzi

- Original Message - 
  From: Barbara Glare & Chris Bright 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 6:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

  Hi,

  I'm being far more "bah humbug" than I really should be for christmas!  
Sorry.  Jayne, I appreciate your sentiments, and realise we are on the same 
side.

  But could we please not use "Nazi" in relation to passionate supporters of 
breastfeeding?  Most on this list put their heart and soul into birth and 
breastfeeding.  The term "nazi" offends me to the core.  I just can't bear it, 
and I just don't see the funny side about it.  If breastfeeding supporters use 
it, even in jest, how can we expect others not to?  (usually to deride the 
fantastic work done by breastfeeding counsellors and midwives)  What new mother 
would want to speak to a "Nazi?"  It turns people away from getting sound 
advice.

  Off my soapbox now!

  Barb

RE: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-23 Thread Vedrana Valčić

"Radical" is a good word :-) and doesn't imply crimes against humanity.

 

For example, the Association of Radical Midwives gives this explanation:

 

Why "Radical"? 

In the mid 70s, the majority of pregnant women in UK had labour induced by 
artificial rupture of membranes (ARM) around the date they were "due". These 
initials were used when the group needed a name, using the dictionary 
definition of "radical", (roots, origins, basics, etc.) which aptly described 
the basic midwifery skills which they hoped to revive.

 

Happy holidays!

 

Vedrana

 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jayne/jesse
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 10:26 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

 

Sorry :)  Sometimes I'm at a loss for words.  I'm been called one of those 
numerous times for my views on births/babies/breastfeeding.  It doesn't offend 
me though.  It's how I feel/live/believe.  I'd never call a breastfeeding 
counsellor or midwive one!  The ones I've met are far too good at what they do 
in getting the message across to have to resort to the way I blatantly state 
things at time.   Guess that's why I'll never be able to be either one of those 
and instead spend my life getting my fix on list like ozmid! 

 

Here's to getting the message out there that there that breast is absolutely 
perfect.

 

Jayne

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Barbara Glare & Chris Bright <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 6:38 PM

Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

 

Hi,

 

I'm being far more "bah humbug" than I really should be for christmas!  
Sorry.  Jayne, I appreciate your sentiments, and realise we are on the same 
side.

 

But could we please not use "Nazi" in relation to passionate supporters 
of breastfeeding?  Most on this list put their heart and soul into birth and 
breastfeeding.  The term "nazi" offends me to the core.  I just can't bear it, 
and I just don't see the funny side about it.  If breastfeeding supporters use 
it, even in jest, how can we expect others not to?  (usually to deride the 
fantastic work done by breastfeeding counsellors and midwives)  What new mother 
would want to speak to a "Nazi?"  It turns people away from getting sound 
advice.

 

Off my soapbox now!

 

Barb

Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-23 Thread Jo Watson

Thanks, Jayne.  I guess I don't fit that theory at all!  I am lucky  
to have no period.  I think my body knows it's not time for another  
baby just yet!


Jo

On 23/12/2006, at 1:19 PM, jayne/jesse wrote:


Hey Jo,

I've read (sorry I can't reference to it but this has been in my  
own general research because of my interest in the subject) that  
one of the factors that could play a part in fertility returning  
when a women is breastfeeding is in fact their level of body fat.   
It pinpointed those with a higher than average level of body fat  
were more likely to have a return of fertility despite fully  
breastfeeding and eliminating other supposed factors such as  
introducing solids.


But I think what you are saying is also very interesting.  My body  
fat levels increased from about the time baby was around 8 months  
onwards until I modified my diet and exercise programs back to what  
they were pre pregnancy/baby days.  Hormones??  I think with two of  
my babies, there were actually feeding a lot more (fully breastfed  
until close to 11 months old)  when I noticed this happening than  
as younger infants.  But lucky you on the no period yet!


This is what I'm trying to caution over re breastfeeding as a  
contraception - there seems to not be a fixed set of rules that can  
be given out to each individual.


Regards

Jayne



- Original Message -
From: Jo Watson
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 2:05 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

Hi Jayne,

Are you saying that maternal fat levels increase when ovulation  
returns?  If so, in which way? ie fatter = earlier or later?  I  
have put on a significant amount of weight since having my bub  
almost 19 months ago, and we are still breastfeeding about 5 times  
in 24 hours, but for the last 3 months or so, he's been getting no  
milk between about 8pm and 4am (ish, give or take).  I still have  
no periods!


Jo

On 22/12/2006, at 12:43 PM, jayne/jesse wrote:

Being 100% pro breastfeeding Barb, I'd like to go along with your  
98%.  I have to agree with Janet though.  There are very real  
reasons why the 98% does not apply to all in our culture  
particularly.  Having 100% fully breastfed three babies from  
periods of 6 months to 11 months, not used bottles or dummies but  
did indeed co-sleep, sling baby and suckle on demand for the whole  
periods of time indicated, I became fertile at 4 months pp, 5  
months pp and the last one was the shocker.6 weeks pp!  I was  
fully aware of mucous signs before fertility returned and  
pinpointed them exactly except with the last one, I thought my  
eyes were playing tricks on me and I didn't believe it until it  
happened.  So because of my experiences, I'm reluctant to spout  
98% success rates re breastfeeding as contraception


I have also heard that maternal fat levels can play a part -  
higher levels.  Mine was actually average to low at the times when  
fertility returned.  There was one thing that I feel triggered  
fertility returning and that was the point when my babies started  
to sleep for periods of 4 to 6 hours at a stretch through the night.


Regards

Jayne




- Original Message -
From: Janet Fraser
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

I don't think it's risky or tricky, or silly for that matter. I  
was trying to be thorough in my reply and not make sweeping  
statements. Recently one of my moderators did some research on  
achieving fertility again while breastfeeding so she came up with  
a list which could equally be applied to Kylie's article.  
Obviously LA works a treat if you look at cultures which pursue  
child-led weaning but western culture just doesn't and therein can  
lie the problems for many people. Most people don't understand  
anything about bf in the first place, as we all know ; )
Here's the list in case you're interested, Kylie. It was for a  
member with a 2 year old who'd like to ttc but hasn't bled in 2  
years and with no signs of bfing slowing. It's a very mixed bag of  
refs  but some great ones : )


* Feeding EBM by bottle (http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache: 
1ilEf4An7dMJ:www.bfmed.org/ace-files/protocol/ 
finalcontraceptionprotocolsent2.pdf+lactational+am enorrhea 
+fertility&hl=en&gl=au&ct=clnk&cd=30)

* Supplementing feeds (formula or solids)
* Increased use of pacifiers
* Feeding on schedule instead of on demand
* Increased intervals between feeds (4hrs during day, 6hrs at night)
* Waiting until bub is 6mths or older
* Reduce time at the breast during a feed (shorter feeds, no  
comfort sucking)
* Reduce total time at the breast per day to 65 min or less  
(McNeilly AS, Glasier AF, Howie PW, Houston MJ, Cook A,Boyle H.  
Fertility after childbirth: pregnancy

Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-23 Thread jayne/jesse

Sorry :)  Sometimes I'm at a loss for words.  I'm been called one of those 
numerous times for my views on births/babies/breastfeeding.  It doesn't offend 
me though.  It's how I feel/live/believe.  I'd never call a breastfeeding 
counsellor or midwive one!  The ones I've met are far too good at what they do 
in getting the message across to have to resort to the way I blatantly state 
things at time.   Guess that's why I'll never be able to be either one of those 
and instead spend my life getting my fix on list like ozmid! 

Here's to getting the message out there that there that breast is absolutely 
perfect.

Jayne


  - Original Message - 
  From: Barbara Glare & Chris Bright 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 6:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception


  Hi,

  I'm being far more "bah humbug" than I really should be for christmas!  
Sorry.  Jayne, I appreciate your sentiments, and realise we are on the same 
side.

  But could we please not use "Nazi" in relation to passionate supporters of 
breastfeeding?  Most on this list put their heart and soul into birth and 
breastfeeding.  The term "nazi" offends me to the core.  I just can't bear it, 
and I just don't see the funny side about it.  If breastfeeding supporters use 
it, even in jest, how can we expect others not to?  (usually to deride the 
fantastic work done by breastfeeding counsellors and midwives)  What new mother 
would want to speak to a "Nazi?"  It turns people away from getting sound 
advice.

  Off my soapbox now!

  Barb

Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-22 Thread Barbara Glare & Chris Bright

Hi,

I'm being far more "bah humbug" than I really should be for christmas!  Sorry.  
Jayne, I appreciate your sentiments, and realise we are on the same side.

But could we please not use "Nazi" in relation to passionate supporters of 
breastfeeding?  Most on this list put their heart and soul into birth and 
breastfeeding.  The term "nazi" offends me to the core.  I just can't bear it, 
and I just don't see the funny side about it.  If breastfeeding supporters use 
it, even in jest, how can we expect others not to?  (usually to deride the 
fantastic work done by breastfeeding counsellors and midwives)  What new mother 
would want to speak to a "Nazi?"  It turns people away from getting sound 
advice.

Off my soapbox now!

Barb

FW: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-22 Thread Vedrana Valčić

Trying once again :-)

 

My experience is two years of lactational amenorrhea (one and only child). I 
did breastfeed very often in the first year, every hour or so and very often 
during the night (for a long time every two hours or even more often), 
co-sleeped, no dummies, was there with him all day long. In the second year I 
went back to work and didn't breastfeed for 9 hours, but he made it up when we 
were together. I think it was also every two hours or so during the night. I'm 
thin and weight-loss was a problem for me after giving birth, I kept losing 
weight without wanting to. But this is all anecdotal evidence.

 

Vedrana

 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jayne/jesse
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 5:43 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

 

Being 100% pro breastfeeding Barb, I'd like to go along with your 98%.  I have 
to agree with Janet though.  There are very real reasons why the 98% does not 
apply to all in our culture particularly.  Having 100% fully breastfed three 
babies from periods of 6 months to 11 months, not used bottles or dummies but 
did indeed co-sleep, sling baby and suckle on demand for the whole periods of 
time indicated, I became fertile at 4 months pp, 5 months pp and the last one 
was the shocker.6 weeks pp!  I was fully aware of mucous signs before 
fertility returned and pinpointed them exactly except with the last one, I 
thought my eyes were playing tricks on me and I didn't believe it until it 
happened.  So because of my experiences, I'm reluctant to spout 98% success 
rates re breastfeeding as contraception

 

I have also heard that maternal fat levels can play a part - higher levels.  
Mine was actually average to low at the times when fertility returned.  There 
was one thing that I feel triggered fertility returning and that was the point 
when my babies started to sleep for periods of 4 to 6 hours at a stretch 
through the night.

 

Regards

 

Jayne

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Janet Fraser <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:07 PM

    Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

 

I don't think it's risky or tricky, or silly for that matter. I was 
trying to be thorough in my reply and not make sweeping statements. Recently 
one of my moderators did some research on achieving fertility again while 
breastfeeding so she came up with a list which could equally be applied to 
Kylie's article. Obviously LA works a treat if you look at cultures which 
pursue child-led weaning but western culture just doesn't and therein can lie 
the problems for many people. Most people don't understand anything about bf in 
the first place, as we all know ; )

Here's the list in case you're interested, Kylie. It was for a member 
with a 2 year old who'd like to ttc but hasn't bled in 2 years and with no 
signs of bfing slowing. It's a very mixed bag of refs  but some great ones : )

 

* Feeding EBM by bottle 
(http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:1ilEf4An7dMJ:www.bfmed.org/ace-files/protocol/finalcontraceptionprotocolsent2.pdf+lactational+am
 enorrhea+fertility&hl=en&gl=au&ct=clnk&cd=30 
<http://www.bfmed.org/ace-files/protocol/finalcontraceptionprotocolsent2.pdf+lactational+amenorrhea+fertility&hl=en&gl=au&ct=clnk&cd=30>
 )
* Supplementing feeds (formula or solids)
* Increased use of pacifiers
* Feeding on schedule instead of on demand
* Increased intervals between feeds (4hrs during day, 6hrs at night)
* Waiting until bub is 6mths or older 
* Reduce time at the breast during a feed (shorter feeds, no comfort 
sucking)
* Reduce total time at the breast per day to 65 min or less (McNeilly 
AS, Glasier AF, Howie PW, Houston MJ, Cook A,Boyle H. Fertility after 
childbirth: pregnancy associated with
breast feeding. Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 1983 Aug;19(2):167-73., 
http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html 
<http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html> )
* Reduce night time feeds (Heinig MJ, Nommsen-Rivers LA, Peerson JM, 
Dewey KG. Factors related to duration of postpartum amenorrhoea among USA women 
with prolonged lactation. J Biosoc Sci. 1994 Oct;26(4):517-27., 
http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html 
<http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html> )
* Stop co-sleeping, including no naps with your child during the day 
(Kippley, Sheila. Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing: How Ecological 
Breastfeeding Spaces Babies. Cincinnati: Couple to Couple League International, 
1999, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactational_Amenorrhea_Method 
<http://en.wi

Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-22 Thread jayne/jesse

Hey Jo,

I've read (sorry I can't reference to it but this has been in my own general
research because of my interest in the subject) that one of the factors that
could play a part in fertility returning when a women is breastfeeding is in
fact their level of body fat. It pinpointed those with a higher than average
level of body fat were more likely to have a return of fertility despite fully
breastfeeding and eliminating other supposed factors such as introducing solids.

But I think what you are saying is also very interesting. My body fat levels
increased from about the time baby was around 8 months onwards until I modified
my diet and exercise programs back to what they were pre pregnancy/baby days.
Hormones?? I think with two of my babies, there were actually feeding a lot
more (fully breastfed until close to 11 months old) when I noticed this
happening than as younger infants. But lucky you on the no period yet!

This is what I'm trying to caution over re breastfeeding as a contraception -
there seems to not be a fixed set of rules that can be given out to each
individual.

Regards

Jayne

- Original Message -
From: Jo Watson
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 2:05 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

Hi Jayne,

Are you saying that maternal fat levels increase when ovulation returns? If
so, in which way? ie fatter = earlier or later? I have put on a significant
amount of weight since having my bub almost 19 months ago, and we are still
breastfeeding about 5 times in 24 hours, but for the last 3 months or so, he's
been getting no milk between about 8pm and 4am (ish, give or take). I still
have no periods!

On 22/12/2006, at 12:43 PM, jayne/jesse wrote:

Being 100% pro breastfeeding Barb, I'd like to go along with your 98%. I
have to agree with Janet though. There are very real reasons why the 98% does
not apply to all in our culture particularly. Having 100% fully breastfed
three babies from periods of 6 months to 11 months, not used bottles or dummies
but did indeed co-sleep, sling baby and suckle on demand for the whole periods
of time indicated, I became fertile at 4 months pp, 5 months pp and the last
one was the shocker.6 weeks pp! I was fully aware of mucous signs before
fertility returned and pinpointed them exactly except with the last one, I
thought my eyes were playing tricks on me and I didn't believe it until it
happened. So because of my experiences, I'm reluctant to spout 98% success
rates re breastfeeding as contraception

I have also heard that maternal fat levels can play a part - higher levels.
Mine was actually average to low at the times when fertility returned. There
was one thing that I feel triggered fertility returning and that was the point
when my babies started to sleep for periods of 4 to 6 hours at a stretch
through the night.

Regards

Jayne

- Original Message -
From: Janet Fraser
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

I don't think it's risky or tricky, or silly for that matter. I was
trying to be thorough in my reply and not make sweeping statements. Recently
one of my moderators did some research on achieving fertility again while
breastfeeding so she came up with a list which could equally be applied to
Kylie's article. Obviously LA works a treat if you look at cultures which
pursue child-led weaning but western culture just doesn't and therein can lie
the problems for many people. Most people don't understand anything about bf in
the first place, as we all know ; )
Here's the list in case you're interested, Kylie. It was for a member
with a 2 year old who'd like to ttc but hasn't bled in 2 years and with no
signs of bfing slowing. It's a very mixed bag of refs but some great ones : )

Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-22 Thread jayne/jesse

Hi Barb,

I'm the last person you need to tell about the crap that goes on and is spouted 
re birth and breastfeeding - I'm as Nazi as they come on both subjects :)   

I believe they should warm women re the pill, not for the failure rate but for 
plenty of other things that we as women know and experience but are certainly 
not documented and based on evidence that they would like us to see and hear 
about.  I also know personally of 1 vasectomy failure.

I guess my point is something like this re the breastfeeding and contraception, 
I was speaking from my very own real personal experience as someone who has 
practiced the Billings method for over 15 years and who breastfed 3 
babies/children for over 10 years.  I'm an expert on my own body - actually 
taken quite a personal interest over the years and I can say without a doubt 
that if I hadn't of been aware of the mucus changes at the times when fertility 
returned - as the average woman would not be (this is where I see the danger), 
there was a great chance that I would have found myself pregnant.  Now, having 
taken an interest in this (personal like I said) I've spoken with other women 
and in particular women who have similar knowledge of the goings on with their 
bodies and it is far, far more common than we are led to believe.  I would love 
to read the studies that you referenced to.  Could you please direct me to were 
they are available?

Personally, I do believe that it takes a woman that would show a bit more 
interest in her own personal well being to successfully use breastfeeing as a 
contraception and to reach that 98% success rate.  Going to the doctor and 
taking their word on the pill is far more easier for most women unfortunately 
for them and their breastfeeding baby :(  You know, the doctor always knows 
best!

Anyway, I'm sure Kylie will do a great article - I've noticed that she goes 
beyond what the usual health orientated article offers.

Barb, I would never ever try to steer a woman away from using breastfeeding as 
a contraception over the pill or the like.  But I know where you are coming 
from.  You have huge support from me re breastfeeding - what a different world 
this would be if most babies were breastfed.

Regards

Jayne




- Original Message - 
  From: Barbara Glare & Chris Bright 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 5:56 AM
  Subject: Fw: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception


  sorry if you get this twice, didn't come through on my computer

  Barb
  - Original Message - 
  From: Barbara Glare & Chris Bright 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 7:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception


  Hi,

  It seems like evidence based practice stops at breastfeeding!  Jayne, I 
understand what you are saying, and acknowledge that this was the case for you. 
 But there have been very thorough studies, (as I outlined the other day) and 
studies that have verified the original studies, across affulent and developing 
studies.  

  The combined pill is also 98% effective.  do we warn women against using 
that?  I (cross my heart) have a friend that got pregnant to her husband 2 
years after he had a vasectomy.  The dr said that some-times the tiny tubes can 
someimes grow back together.  When I have mentioned this to friends, other 
people have reported of knowing people that this happened to.  The minipill is 
only, what 70% successful.

  At an ABA meeting not long ago, everyone in the room knew some-one whose 
pelvis was too small for the baby to be born normally.  Stories abounded about 
gruesome forceps birth, babies that nearly died and *necessary* caesarians.  I 
nearly fainted in shock (before rapidly changing the subject)  Before I did 
change the subject I pointed out that in fact this is not supported by 
evidence.  It is indeed very rare for a woman to have a pelvis so small she 
can't birth her baby normally.  

  Food for thought, really.

  Barb


- Original Message - 
From: jayne/jesse 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception


Being 100% pro breastfeeding Barb, I'd like to go along with your 98%.  I 
have to agree with Janet though.  There are very real reasons why the 98% does 
not apply to all in our culture particularly.  Having 100% fully breastfed 
three babies from periods of 6 months to 11 months, not used bottles or dummies 
but did indeed co-sleep, sling baby and suckle on demand for the whole periods 
of time indicated, I became fertile at 4 months pp, 5 months pp and the last 
one was the shocker.6 weeks pp!  I was fully aware of mucous signs before 
fertility returned and pinpointed them exactly except with the last one, I 
thought my eyes were playing tricks on me and I didn't be

Fw: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-22 Thread Barbara Glare & Chris Bright

sorry if you get this twice, didn't come through on my computer

Barb
- Original Message - 
From: Barbara Glare & Chris Bright 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

Hi,

It seems like evidence based practice stops at breastfeeding!  Jayne, I 
understand what you are saying, and acknowledge that this was the case for you. 
 But there have been very thorough studies, (as I outlined the other day) and 
studies that have verified the original studies, across affulent and developing 
studies.  

The combined pill is also 98% effective.  do we warn women against using that?  
I (cross my heart) have a friend that got pregnant to her husband 2 years after 
he had a vasectomy.  The dr said that some-times the tiny tubes can someimes 
grow back together.  When I have mentioned this to friends, other people have 
reported of knowing people that this happened to.  The minipill is only, what 
70% successful.

At an ABA meeting not long ago, everyone in the room knew some-one whose pelvis 
was too small for the baby to be born normally.  Stories abounded about 
gruesome forceps birth, babies that nearly died and *necessary* caesarians.  I 
nearly fainted in shock (before rapidly changing the subject)  Before I did 
change the subject I pointed out that in fact this is not supported by 
evidence.  It is indeed very rare for a woman to have a pelvis so small she 
can't birth her baby normally.  

Food for thought, really.

Barb

  - Original Message - 
  From: jayne/jesse 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

  Being 100% pro breastfeeding Barb, I'd like to go along with your 98%.  I 
have to agree with Janet though.  There are very real reasons why the 98% does 
not apply to all in our culture particularly.  Having 100% fully breastfed 
three babies from periods of 6 months to 11 months, not used bottles or dummies 
but did indeed co-sleep, sling baby and suckle on demand for the whole periods 
of time indicated, I became fertile at 4 months pp, 5 months pp and the last 
one was the shocker.6 weeks pp!  I was fully aware of mucous signs before 
fertility returned and pinpointed them exactly except with the last one, I 
thought my eyes were playing tricks on me and I didn't believe it until it 
happened.  So because of my experiences, I'm reluctant to spout 98% success 
rates re breastfeeding as contraception

  I have also heard that maternal fat levels can play a part - higher levels.  
Mine was actually average to low at the times when fertility returned.  There 
was one thing that I feel triggered fertility returning and that was the point 
when my babies started to sleep for periods of 4 to 6 hours at a stretch 
through the night.

  Regards

  Jayne

  - Original Message - 
From: Janet Fraser 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:07 PM
    Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

I don't think it's risky or tricky, or silly for that matter. I was trying 
to be thorough in my reply and not make sweeping statements. Recently one of my 
moderators did some research on achieving fertility again while breastfeeding 
so she came up with a list which could equally be applied to Kylie's article. 
Obviously LA works a treat if you look at cultures which pursue child-led 
weaning but western culture just doesn't and therein can lie the problems for 
many people. Most people don't understand anything about bf in the first place, 
as we all know ; )
Here's the list in case you're interested, Kylie. It was for a member with 
a 2 year old who'd like to ttc but hasn't bled in 2 years and with no signs of 
bfing slowing. It's a very mixed bag of refs  but some great ones : )

* Feeding EBM by bottle 
(http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:1ilEf4An7dMJ:www.bfmed.org/ace-files/protocol/finalcontraceptionprotocolsent2.pdf+lactational+am
 enorrhea+fertility&hl=en&gl=au&ct=clnk&cd=30)
* Supplementing feeds (formula or solids)
* Increased use of pacifiers
* Feeding on schedule instead of on demand
* Increased intervals between feeds (4hrs during day, 6hrs at night)
* Waiting until bub is 6mths or older 
* Reduce time at the breast during a feed (shorter feeds, no comfort 
sucking)
* Reduce total time at the breast per day to 65 min or less (McNeilly AS, 
Glasier AF, Howie PW, Houston MJ, Cook A,Boyle H. Fertility after childbirth: 
pregnancy associated with
breast feeding. Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 1983 Aug;19(2):167-73., 
http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html)
* Reduce night time feeds (Heinig MJ, Nommsen-Rivers LA, Peerson JM, Dewey 
KG. Factors related to duration of postpartum ame

Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-22 Thread Jo Watson


Hi Jayne,

Are you saying that maternal fat levels increase when ovulation  
returns?  If so, in which way? ie fatter = earlier or later?  I have  
put on a significant amount of weight since having my bub almost 19  
months ago, and we are still breastfeeding about 5 times in 24 hours,  
but for the last 3 months or so, he's been getting no milk between  
about 8pm and 4am (ish, give or take).  I still have no periods!


Jo

On 22/12/2006, at 12:43 PM, jayne/jesse wrote:

Being 100% pro breastfeeding Barb, I'd like to go along with your  
98%.  I have to agree with Janet though.  There are very real  
reasons why the 98% does not apply to all in our culture  
particularly.  Having 100% fully breastfed three babies from  
periods of 6 months to 11 months, not used bottles or dummies but  
did indeed co-sleep, sling baby and suckle on demand for the whole  
periods of time indicated, I became fertile at 4 months pp, 5  
months pp and the last one was the shocker.6 weeks pp!  I was  
fully aware of mucous signs before fertility returned and  
pinpointed them exactly except with the last one, I thought my eyes  
were playing tricks on me and I didn't believe it until it  
happened.  So because of my experiences, I'm reluctant to spout 98%  
success rates re breastfeeding as contraception


I have also heard that maternal fat levels can play a part - higher  
levels.  Mine was actually average to low at the times when  
fertility returned.  There was one thing that I feel triggered  
fertility returning and that was the point when my babies started  
to sleep for periods of 4 to 6 hours at a stretch through the night.


Regards

Jayne




- Original Message -
From: Janet Fraser
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

I don't think it's risky or tricky, or silly for that matter. I was  
trying to be thorough in my reply and not make sweeping statements.  
Recently one of my moderators did some research on achieving  
fertility again while breastfeeding so she came up with a list  
which could equally be applied to Kylie's article. Obviously LA  
works a treat if you look at cultures which pursue child-led  
weaning but western culture just doesn't and therein can lie the  
problems for many people. Most people don't understand anything  
about bf in the first place, as we all know ; )
Here's the list in case you're interested, Kylie. It was for a  
member with a 2 year old who'd like to ttc but hasn't bled in 2  
years and with no signs of bfing slowing. It's a very mixed bag of  
refs  but some great ones : )


* Feeding EBM by bottle (http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache: 
1ilEf4An7dMJ:www.bfmed.org/ace-files/protocol/ 
finalcontraceptionprotocolsent2.pdf+lactational+am enorrhea 
+fertility&hl=en&gl=au&ct=clnk&cd=30)

* Supplementing feeds (formula or solids)
* Increased use of pacifiers
* Feeding on schedule instead of on demand
* Increased intervals between feeds (4hrs during day, 6hrs at night)
* Waiting until bub is 6mths or older
* Reduce time at the breast during a feed (shorter feeds, no  
comfort sucking)
* Reduce total time at the breast per day to 65 min or less  
(McNeilly AS, Glasier AF, Howie PW, Houston MJ, Cook A,Boyle H.  
Fertility after childbirth: pregnancy associated with
breast feeding. Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 1983 Aug;19(2):167-73.,  
http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html)
* Reduce night time feeds (Heinig MJ, Nommsen-Rivers LA, Peerson  
JM, Dewey KG. Factors related to duration of postpartum amenorrhoea  
among USA women with prolonged lactation. J Biosoc Sci. 1994 Oct;26 
(4):517-27.,http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html)
* Stop co-sleeping, including no naps with your child during the  
day (Kippley, Sheila. Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing: How  
Ecological Breastfeeding Spaces Babies. Cincinnati: Couple to  
Couple League International, 1999,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 
Lactational_Amenorrhea_Method)
* Be separated from your child for more than 3 hours a day  
(Kippley, Sheila. Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing: How  
Ecological Breastfeeding Spaces Babies. Cincinnati: Couple to  
Couple League International, 1999,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 
Lactational_Amenorrhea_Method)


And what if you're a co-sleeping, fully BFing, no pacifier, BF on  
demand mumma? How long will it be until your period returns?  
"Average return of menses for women following all [...] criteria is  
14 months, with some reports as soon as 2 months and others as late  
as 42 months." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactati...norrhea_Method


Of course, once your period does return, continuing breastfeeding  
can still affect your chances of conception. (http:// 
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=7761906)


Reference pages - very eclectic mix some ok, some good
h

Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-21 Thread jayne/jesse

Being 100% pro breastfeeding Barb, I'd like to go along with your 98%. I have
to agree with Janet though. There are very real reasons why the 98% does not
apply to all in our culture particularly. Having 100% fully breastfed three
babies from periods of 6 months to 11 months, not used bottles or dummies but
did indeed co-sleep, sling baby and suckle on demand for the whole periods of
time indicated, I became fertile at 4 months pp, 5 months pp and the last one
was the shocker.6 weeks pp! I was fully aware of mucous signs before
fertility returned and pinpointed them exactly except with the last one, I
thought my eyes were playing tricks on me and I didn't believe it until it
happened. So because of my experiences, I'm reluctant to spout 98% success
rates re breastfeeding as contraception

Regards

Jayne

- Original Message -
From: Janet Fraser
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

I don't think it's risky or tricky, or silly for that matter. I was trying to
be thorough in my reply and not make sweeping statements. Recently one of my
moderators did some research on achieving fertility again while breastfeeding
so she came up with a list which could equally be applied to Kylie's article.
Obviously LA works a treat if you look at cultures which pursue child-led
weaning but western culture just doesn't and therein can lie the problems for
many people. Most people don't understand anything about bf in the first place,
as we all know ; )
Here's the list in case you're interested, Kylie. It was for a member with a
2 year old who'd like to ttc but hasn't bled in 2 years and with no signs of
bfing slowing. It's a very mixed bag of refs but some great ones : )

* Feeding EBM by bottle
(http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:1ilEf4An7dMJ:www.bfmed.org/ace-files/protocol/finalcontraceptionprotocolsent2.pdf+lactational+am
enorrhea+fertility&hl=en&gl=au&ct=clnk&cd=30)
* Supplementing feeds (formula or solids)
* Increased use of pacifiers
* Feeding on schedule instead of on demand
* Increased intervals between feeds (4hrs during day, 6hrs at night)
* Waiting until bub is 6mths or older
* Reduce time at the breast during a feed (shorter feeds, no comfort sucking)
* Reduce total time at the breast per day to 65 min or less (McNeilly AS,
Glasier AF, Howie PW, Houston MJ, Cook A,Boyle H. Fertility after childbirth:
pregnancy associated with
breast feeding. Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 1983 Aug;19(2):167-73.,
http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html)
* Reduce night time feeds (Heinig MJ, Nommsen-Rivers LA, Peerson JM, Dewey
KG. Factors related to duration of postpartum amenorrhoea among USA women with
prolonged lactation. J Biosoc Sci. 1994 Oct;26(4):517-27.,
http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html)
* Stop co-sleeping, including no naps with your child during the day
(Kippley, Sheila. Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing: How Ecological
Breastfeeding Spaces Babies. Cincinnati: Couple to Couple League International,
1999, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactational_Amenorrhea_Method)
* Be separated from your child for more than 3 hours a day (Kippley, Sheila.
Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing: How Ecological Breastfeeding Spaces
Babies. Cincinnati: Couple to Couple League International, 1999,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactational_Amenorrhea_Method)

And what if you're a co-sleeping, fully BFing, no pacifier, BF on demand
mumma? How long will it be until your period returns? "Average return of menses
for women following all [...] criteria is 14 months, with some reports as soon
as 2 months and others as late as 42 months."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactati...norrhea_Method

Of course, once your period does return, continuing breastfeeding can still
affect your chances of conception.
(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=7761906)

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:1ilEf4An7dMJ:www.bfmed.org/ace-files/protocol/finalcontraceptionprotocolsent2.pdf+lactational+am
enorrhea+fertility&hl=en&gl=au&ct=clnk&cd=30

RE: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-21 Thread nunyara

My Mum was fully breastfeeding me and fell pregnant with my sister when I
was 3 months old. Her periods had also not started yet. I don't know how
they can say it is 98% effective. I have heard of so many women who have
fallen into this trap. I bleive if women do not want to fall pregnant again
so soon other precautions should be taken - because you just never know.

 

Jassy

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie Carberry
Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 9:10 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

 


I am doing a story on contraception for a pareting magazine. I want to state
that the WHO confirmed breastfeeding as 98 per cent effective means of birth
control for the first six months   provided the baby was fully breasfed and
periods have not commenced. So as far as the 'fully' part goes, how is that
interpreted. My friend thought she was fully breastfeeding, however, her
twin boys were sleeping 8 hours at night and thus she became pregnant when
they were four months old. So does fully mean no less than four-hourly
feeds. Or should women just take added precautions if they are not up for
any little surprises.

thanks in advance

Kylie Carberry 
Freelance Journalist 
p: +61 2 42970115 
m: +61 2 418220638 
f: +61 2 42970747

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RE: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-21 Thread Nicole Carver

I had a friend wean to get pregnant too, but this was a little later, about
nine months. She is in her early to mid forties, and given the reduced
fertility at that age, I think it is reasonable.
Nicole.
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Helen and Graham
  Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 7:57 PM
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

  I have recently met a woman who specifically gave up breastfeeding her six
month old so she could get pregnant.  That seemed like a real shame but she
was very keen to get pregnant ASAP.  What would ABA's advice be on this one?

  Helen
- Original Message -
From: Barbara Glare & Chris Bright
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

Hi,

I don't think Lactational Amenorrhea is as risky or tricky as Janet
said. From "Breastfeeding Management" (Brodribb)"In 1988 the World Health
Organisation and other interested parties formulated a concensus statement
about the conditions under which Lactation provides an effective and safe
form of contraception.  Known as the Bellagio Concensus, it states that if a
woman is fully or nearly fully breastfeeding, is amenorrhoeic and is less
than 6 mnths postpartum she is 98% protected from pregnancy."

Since that time, studies in Australia, Chile, the Phillippines, Pakistan
and the USA have confirmed this concensus, often showing failure rates of
lower than the two percent quoted.  Thus, this applies in the developed as
well as developing countries and in well nourished women.  A further
conference in Bellagio in 1995 confirmed the original findings and concluded
that.
"Wheras amenorrheoea is an absolute requirement for ensuring a low risk
of pregnancy, it might be possible to relax or break the requirement of full
or nearly full breastfeeding.  It may also be possible to extend the
duration of use beyond 6 mnths."

Kylie, please don't write an article that makes breastfeeding as a form
or contraception seem unreliable, silly or so difficult to comply with that
it would be impossible to use. (not that it sounds in any way like you
would - but that is the tone often in such articles.)

While the 2% are very vocal when they become pregnant, my observances
are that Lactational Amenhorrea is extremely reliable.  The thing to
remember is that once your period is back all bets are off. (if under 6
mnths.)

While this whole story demonstrates that the plural of "stories" is not
"data" I returned to full time work when my son was 6 weeks old, and
remained amenhorreac until he was 15mths, whereupon I had one period and
then got pregnant with my 2nd.

Barb
  - Original Message -
  From: Kylie Carberry
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
  Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

   if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, hey?

  Absolutely.

   thanks for that, Janet.

  Kylie Carberry
  Freelance Journalist
  p: +61 2 42970115
  m: +61 2 418220638
  f: +61 2 42970747

From: "Janet Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
To: 
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:56:35 +1100

It's a complex list of stuff, not just bfing, that creates
lactational ammenorhea, Kylie. Cosleeping, no dummies, no bottles of ebm, no
being away from your child/ren longer than about 3 hours, and having a nap
in the daytime with them among other things. And then ultimately each woman
is different in her experience of menstruation recommencing. Women who use
bfing in conjunction with knowing their own fertile signs are doubly covered
and a barrier method now and then if one isn't sure has got to be a good
thing, hey?
J
  - Original Message -
  From: Kylie Carberry
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
  Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:09 AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

  I am doing a story on contraception for a pareting magazine. I
want to state that the WHO confirmed breastfeeding as 98 per cent effective
means of birth control for the first six months   provided the baby was
fully breasfed and periods have not commenced. So as far as the 'fully' part
goes, how is that interpreted. My friend thought she was fully
breastfeeding, however, her twin boys were sleeping 8 hours at night and
thus she became pregnant when they were four months old. So does fully mean
no less t

Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-21 Thread Barbara Glare & Chris Bright

Well, We'd ask a lot of questions first!  Help her explore why she 
wanted/needed to become pregnant so soon.  How many feeds was the baby having?  
Had her period returned yet?  Any other signs of fertility returning? Usually 
women are able to cut down feeds so that they can still concieve.  But, I guess 
it depends on the woman.  

Barb
  - Original Message - 
  From: Helen and Graham 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 7:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

  I have recently met a woman who specifically gave up breastfeeding her six 
month old so she could get pregnant.  That seemed like a real shame but she was 
very keen to get pregnant ASAP.  What would ABA's advice be on this one?

  Helen
- Original Message - 
From: Barbara Glare & Chris Bright 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

Hi,

I don't think Lactational Amenorrhea is as risky or tricky as Janet said. 
From "Breastfeeding Management" (Brodribb)"In 1988 the World Health 
Organisation and other interested parties formulated a concensus statement 
about the conditions under which Lactation provides an effective and safe form 
of contraception.  Known as the Bellagio Concensus, it states that if a woman 
is fully or nearly fully breastfeeding, is amenorrhoeic and is less than 6 
mnths postpartum she is 98% protected from pregnancy."

Since that time, studies in Australia, Chile, the Phillippines, Pakistan 
and the USA have confirmed this concensus, often showing failure rates of lower 
than the two percent quoted.  Thus, this applies in the developed as well as 
developing countries and in well nourished women.  A further conference in 
Bellagio in 1995 confirmed the original findings and concluded that.
"Wheras amenorrheoea is an absolute requirement for ensuring a low risk of 
pregnancy, it might be possible to relax or break the requirement of full or 
nearly full breastfeeding.  It may also be possible to extend the duration of 
use beyond 6 mnths."

Kylie, please don't write an article that makes breastfeeding as a form or 
contraception seem unreliable, silly or so difficult to comply with that it 
would be impossible to use. (not that it sounds in any way like you would - but 
that is the tone often in such articles.)

While the 2% are very vocal when they become pregnant, my observances are 
that Lactational Amenhorrea is extremely reliable.  The thing to remember is 
that once your period is back all bets are off. (if under 6 mnths.)

While this whole story demonstrates that the plural of "stories" is not 
"data" I returned to full time work when my son was 6 weeks old, and remained 
amenhorreac until he was 15mths, whereupon I had one period and then got 
pregnant with my 2nd.

Barb
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kylie Carberry 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

   if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, hey?

  Absolutely.

   thanks for that, Janet.

  Kylie Carberry 
  Freelance Journalist 
  p: +61 2 42970115 
  m: +61 2 418220638 
  f: +61 2 42970747

From: "Janet Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
To: 
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:56:35 +1100

It's a complex list of stuff, not just bfing, that creates lactational 
ammenorhea, Kylie. Cosleeping, no dummies, no bottles of ebm, no being away 
from your child/ren longer than about 3 hours, and having a nap in the daytime 
with them among other things. And then ultimately each woman is different in 
her experience of menstruation recommencing. Women who use bfing in conjunction 
with knowing their own fertile signs are doubly covered and a barrier method 
now and then if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, hey?
J
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kylie Carberry 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:09 AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

  I am doing a story on contraception for a pareting magazine. I want 
to state that the WHO confirmed breastfeeding as 98 per cent effective means of 
birth control for the first six months   provided the baby was fully breasfed 
and periods have not commenced. So as far as the 'fully' part goes, how is that 
interpreted. My friend thought she was fully breastfeeding, however,

RE: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-21 Thread Vedrana Valčić

I have a friend who also wanted to get pregnant while breastfeeding so she 
gradually stopped nursing at night, got her period, got pregnant, gave birth 
and continued to breastfeed them both.

 

Vedrana

 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helen and Graham
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:57 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

 

I have recently met a woman who specifically gave up breastfeeding her six 
month old so she could get pregnant.  That seemed like a real shame but she was 
very keen to get pregnant ASAP.  What would ABA's advice be on this one?

 

Helen

- Original Message - 

From: Barbara Glare & Chris Bright <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:19 PM

    Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

 

Hi,

 

I don't think Lactational Amenorrhea is as risky or tricky as Janet 
said. From "Breastfeeding Management" (Brodribb)"In 1988 the World Health 
Organisation and other interested parties formulated a concensus statement 
about the conditions under which Lactation provides an effective and safe form 
of contraception.  Known as the Bellagio Concensus, it states that if a woman 
is fully or nearly fully breastfeeding, is amenorrhoeic and is less than 6 
mnths postpartum she is 98% protected from pregnancy."

 

Since that time, studies in Australia, Chile, the Phillippines, 
Pakistan and the USA have confirmed this concensus, often showing failure rates 
of lower than the two percent quoted.  Thus, this applies in the developed as 
well as developing countries and in well nourished women.  A further conference 
in Bellagio in 1995 confirmed the original findings and concluded that.

"Wheras amenorrheoea is an absolute requirement for ensuring a low risk 
of pregnancy, it might be possible to relax or break the requirement of full or 
nearly full breastfeeding.  It may also be possible to extend the duration of 
use beyond 6 mnths."

 

Kylie, please don't write an article that makes breastfeeding as a form 
or contraception seem unreliable, silly or so difficult to comply with that it 
would be impossible to use. (not that it sounds in any way like you would - but 
that is the tone often in such articles.)

 

While the 2% are very vocal when they become pregnant, my observances 
are that Lactational Amenhorrea is extremely reliable.  The thing to remember 
is that once your period is back all bets are off. (if under 6 mnths.)

 

While this whole story demonstrates that the plural of "stories" is not 
"data" I returned to full time work when my son was 6 weeks old, and remained 
amenhorreac until he was 15mths, whereupon I had one period and then got 
pregnant with my 2nd.

 

Barb

- Original Message - 

From: Kylie Carberry <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

    Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:24 AM

Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

 

 if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, hey?

Absolutely.

 thanks for that, Janet.





Kylie Carberry 
Freelance Journalist 
p: +61 2 42970115 
m: +61 2 418220638 
f: +61 2 42970747





From: "Janet Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
To: 
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as 
contraception
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:56:35 +1100

It's a complex list of stuff, not just bfing, that 
creates lactational ammenorhea, Kylie. Cosleeping, no dummies, no bottles of 
ebm, no being away from your child/ren longer than about 3 hours, and having a 
nap in the daytime with them among other things. And then ultimately each woman 
is different in her experience of menstruation recommencing. Women who use 
bfing in conjunction with knowing their own fertile signs are doubly covered 
and a barrier method now and then if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, 
hey?

J

- Original Message - 

From: Kylie Carberry <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au

Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-21 Thread Helen and Graham

I have recently met a woman who specifically gave up breastfeeding her six 
month old so she could get pregnant.  That seemed like a real shame but she was 
very keen to get pregnant ASAP.  What would ABA's advice be on this one?

Helen
  - Original Message - 
  From: Barbara Glare & Chris Bright 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

  Hi,

  I don't think Lactational Amenorrhea is as risky or tricky as Janet said. 
From "Breastfeeding Management" (Brodribb)"In 1988 the World Health 
Organisation and other interested parties formulated a concensus statement 
about the conditions under which Lactation provides an effective and safe form 
of contraception.  Known as the Bellagio Concensus, it states that if a woman 
is fully or nearly fully breastfeeding, is amenorrhoeic and is less than 6 
mnths postpartum she is 98% protected from pregnancy."

  Since that time, studies in Australia, Chile, the Phillippines, Pakistan and 
the USA have confirmed this concensus, often showing failure rates of lower 
than the two percent quoted.  Thus, this applies in the developed as well as 
developing countries and in well nourished women.  A further conference in 
Bellagio in 1995 confirmed the original findings and concluded that.
  "Wheras amenorrheoea is an absolute requirement for ensuring a low risk of 
pregnancy, it might be possible to relax or break the requirement of full or 
nearly full breastfeeding.  It may also be possible to extend the duration of 
use beyond 6 mnths."

  Kylie, please don't write an article that makes breastfeeding as a form or 
contraception seem unreliable, silly or so difficult to comply with that it 
would be impossible to use. (not that it sounds in any way like you would - but 
that is the tone often in such articles.)

  While the 2% are very vocal when they become pregnant, my observances are 
that Lactational Amenhorrea is extremely reliable.  The thing to remember is 
that once your period is back all bets are off. (if under 6 mnths.)

  While this whole story demonstrates that the plural of "stories" is not 
"data" I returned to full time work when my son was 6 weeks old, and remained 
amenhorreac until he was 15mths, whereupon I had one period and then got 
pregnant with my 2nd.

  Barb
- Original Message - 
From: Kylie Carberry 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

 if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, hey?

Absolutely.

 thanks for that, Janet.

Kylie Carberry 
Freelance Journalist 
p: +61 2 42970115 
m: +61 2 418220638 
f: +61 2 42970747

--
  From: "Janet Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
  To: 
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception
  Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:56:35 +1100

  It's a complex list of stuff, not just bfing, that creates lactational 
ammenorhea, Kylie. Cosleeping, no dummies, no bottles of ebm, no being away 
from your child/ren longer than about 3 hours, and having a nap in the daytime 
with them among other things. And then ultimately each woman is different in 
her experience of menstruation recommencing. Women who use bfing in conjunction 
with knowing their own fertile signs are doubly covered and a barrier method 
now and then if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, hey?
  J
- Original Message - 
From: Kylie Carberry 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:09 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

I am doing a story on contraception for a pareting magazine. I want to 
state that the WHO confirmed breastfeeding as 98 per cent effective means of 
birth control for the first six months   provided the baby was fully breasfed 
and periods have not commenced. So as far as the 'fully' part goes, how is that 
interpreted. My friend thought she was fully breastfeeding, however, her twin 
boys were sleeping 8 hours at night and thus she became pregnant when they were 
four months old. So does fully mean no less than four-hourly feeds. Or should 
women just take added precautions if they are not up for any little surprises.

thanks in advance

Kylie Carberry 
Freelance Journalist 
p: +61 2 42970115 
m: +61 2 418220638 
f: +61 2 42970747
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RE: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-21 Thread Vedrana Valčić

You might want to search for ecological breastfeeding. This is what I found:

"Exclusive breastfeeding means giving your baby nothing but milk from your 
breast; frequent nursing (including at night); pacifying the baby at your 
breast, rather than with a rubber pacifier; and feeding without a schedule. 
These behaviors will likely dry up your cervical mucus and also keep you from 
ovulating or menstruating. Sheila Kippley, co-founder of the Couple to Couple 
League, a Catholic organization that promotes Natural Family Planning, calls 
these behaviors "ecological breastfeeding" when the mother also takes a daily 
nap with the baby, and sleeps with the baby for easy night nursings."

but I'm sure there is more.

Vedrana

 

 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie Carberry
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:10 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

 


I am doing a story on contraception for a pareting magazine. I want to state 
that the WHO confirmed breastfeeding as 98 per cent effective means of birth 
control for the first six months   provided the baby was fully breasfed and 
periods have not commenced. So as far as the 'fully' part goes, how is that 
interpreted. My friend thought she was fully breastfeeding, however, her twin 
boys were sleeping 8 hours at night and thus she became pregnant when they were 
four months old. So does fully mean no less than four-hourly feeds. Or should 
women just take added precautions if they are not up for any little surprises.

thanks in advance

Kylie Carberry 
Freelance Journalist 
p: +61 2 42970115 
m: +61 2 418220638 
f: +61 2 42970747

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Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-20 Thread Janet Fraser

I don't think it's risky or tricky, or silly for that matter. I was trying to
be thorough in my reply and not make sweeping statements. Recently one of my
moderators did some research on achieving fertility again while breastfeeding
so she came up with a list which could equally be applied to Kylie's article.
Obviously LA works a treat if you look at cultures which pursue child-led
weaning but western culture just doesn't and therein can lie the problems for
many people. Most people don't understand anything about bf in the first place,
as we all know ; )
Here's the list in case you're interested, Kylie. It was for a member with a 2
year old who'd like to ttc but hasn't bled in 2 years and with no signs of
bfing slowing. It's a very mixed bag of refs but some great ones : )

* Feeding EBM by bottle
(http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:1ilEf4An7dMJ:www.bfmed.org/ace-files/protocol/finalcontraceptionprotocolsent2.pdf+lactational+am
enorrhea+fertility&hl=en&gl=au&ct=clnk&cd=30)
* Supplementing feeds (formula or solids)
* Increased use of pacifiers
* Feeding on schedule instead of on demand
* Increased intervals between feeds (4hrs during day, 6hrs at night)
* Waiting until bub is 6mths or older
* Reduce time at the breast during a feed (shorter feeds, no comfort sucking)
* Reduce total time at the breast per day to 65 min or less (McNeilly AS,
Glasier AF, Howie PW, Houston MJ, Cook A,Boyle H. Fertility after childbirth:
pregnancy associated with
breast feeding. Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 1983 Aug;19(2):167-73.,
http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html)
* Reduce night time feeds (Heinig MJ, Nommsen-Rivers LA, Peerson JM, Dewey KG.
Factors related to duration of postpartum amenorrhoea among USA women with
prolonged lactation. J Biosoc Sci. 1994 Oct;26(4):517-27.,
http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html)
* Stop co-sleeping, including no naps with your child during the day (Kippley,
Sheila. Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing: How Ecological Breastfeeding
Spaces Babies. Cincinnati: Couple to Couple League International, 1999,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactational_Amenorrhea_Method)
* Be separated from your child for more than 3 hours a day (Kippley, Sheila.
Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing: How Ecological Breastfeeding Spaces
Babies. Cincinnati: Couple to Couple League International, 1999,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactational_Amenorrhea_Method)

And what if you're a co-sleeping, fully BFing, no pacifier, BF on demand mumma?
How long will it be until your period returns? "Average return of menses for
women following all [...] criteria is 14 months, with some reports as soon as 2
months and others as late as 42 months."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactati...norrhea_Method

Of course, once your period does return, continuing breastfeeding can still
affect your chances of conception.
(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=7761906)

Reference pages - very eclectic mix some ok, some good
http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactati...norrhea_Method
http://www.fhi.org/training/en/modul...references.htm (lots of references for
articles on lactational amenorrhea, if you want to do more research)
http://www.fhi.org/training/en/modul...getstarted.htm
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:1ilEf4An7dMJ:www.bfmed.org/ace-files/protocol/finalcontraceptionprotocolsent2.pdf+lactational+am
enorrhea+fertility&hl=en&gl=au&ct=clnk&cd=30

Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-20 Thread Barbara Glare & Chris Bright

Hi,

I don't think Lactational Amenorrhea is as risky or tricky as Janet said. From 
"Breastfeeding Management" (Brodribb)"In 1988 the World Health Organisation and 
other interested parties formulated a concensus statement about the conditions 
under which Lactation provides an effective and safe form of contraception.  
Known as the Bellagio Concensus, it states that if a woman is fully or nearly 
fully breastfeeding, is amenorrhoeic and is less than 6 mnths postpartum she is 
98% protected from pregnancy."

Since that time, studies in Australia, Chile, the Phillippines, Pakistan and 
the USA have confirmed this concensus, often showing failure rates of lower 
than the two percent quoted.  Thus, this applies in the developed as well as 
developing countries and in well nourished women.  A further conference in 
Bellagio in 1995 confirmed the original findings and concluded that.
"Wheras amenorrheoea is an absolute requirement for ensuring a low risk of 
pregnancy, it might be possible to relax or break the requirement of full or 
nearly full breastfeeding.  It may also be possible to extend the duration of 
use beyond 6 mnths."

Kylie, please don't write an article that makes breastfeeding as a form or 
contraception seem unreliable, silly or so difficult to comply with that it 
would be impossible to use. (not that it sounds in any way like you would - but 
that is the tone often in such articles.)

While the 2% are very vocal when they become pregnant, my observances are that 
Lactational Amenhorrea is extremely reliable.  The thing to remember is that 
once your period is back all bets are off. (if under 6 mnths.)

While this whole story demonstrates that the plural of "stories" is not "data" 
I returned to full time work when my son was 6 weeks old, and remained 
amenhorreac until he was 15mths, whereupon I had one period and then got 
pregnant with my 2nd.

Barb
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kylie Carberry 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception


   if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, hey?


  Absolutely.

   thanks for that, Janet.






  Kylie Carberry 
  Freelance Journalist 
  p: +61 2 42970115 
  m: +61 2 418220638 
  f: +61 2 42970747


From: "Janet Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
To: 
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:56:35 +1100


It's a complex list of stuff, not just bfing, that creates lactational 
ammenorhea, Kylie. Cosleeping, no dummies, no bottles of ebm, no being away 
from your child/ren longer than about 3 hours, and having a nap in the daytime 
with them among other things. And then ultimately each woman is different in 
her experience of menstruation recommencing. Women who use bfing in conjunction 
with knowing their own fertile signs are doubly covered and a barrier method 
now and then if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, hey?
J
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kylie Carberry 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:09 AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception



  I am doing a story on contraception for a pareting magazine. I want to 
state that the WHO confirmed breastfeeding as 98 per cent effective means of 
birth control for the first six months   provided the baby was fully breasfed 
and periods have not commenced. So as far as the 'fully' part goes, how is that 
interpreted. My friend thought she was fully breastfeeding, however, her twin 
boys were sleeping 8 hours at night and thus she became pregnant when they were 
four months old. So does fully mean no less than four-hourly feeds. Or should 
women just take added precautions if they are not up for any little surprises.

  thanks in advance



  Kylie Carberry 
  Freelance Journalist 
  p: +61 2 42970115 
  m: +61 2 418220638 
  f: +61 2 42970747
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RE: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-20 Thread Kelly Zantey

I didn't have a period since falling pregnant with my 4.5 year old, until a
few months ago. My mum thought something was seriously wrong with me and
kept telling me to see the doctor, but because of infant-led breastfeeding,
I knew it was why. I had some very, very light spotting one time when my
first was a bit over 2 and had stopped feeding, so I wondered if I should
try for my second. I knew I wanted to try, but I had no period prior to, so
no idea what my cycle was, let alone if I was ovulating! So, I charted my
temps for two weeks and fell pregnant. It was only a few months ago when I
didn't feed my son overnight for a few nights that they came back with full
force - not enjoying it very much as it hasn't settled down yet. But feel
very blessed to not have to worry about it for 5 odd years!!! 

 

Best Regards,

 

Kelly Zantey

Creator,  <http://www.bellybelly.com.au> BellyBelly.com.au

Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby

 <http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support> BellyBelly Birth Support

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie Carberry
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:10 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

 


I am doing a story on contraception for a pareting magazine. I want to state
that the WHO confirmed breastfeeding as 98 per cent effective means of birth
control for the first six months   provided the baby was fully breasfed and
periods have not commenced. So as far as the 'fully' part goes, how is that
interpreted. My friend thought she was fully breastfeeding, however, her
twin boys were sleeping 8 hours at night and thus she became pregnant when
they were four months old. So does fully mean no less than four-hourly
feeds. Or should women just take added precautions if they are not up for
any little surprises.

thanks in advance

Kylie Carberry 
Freelance Journalist 
p: +61 2 42970115 
m: +61 2 418220638 
f: +61 2 42970747

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Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-20 Thread Kylie Carberry

 if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, hey?
Absolutely.
 thanks for that, Janet.
Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747


From: "Janet Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraceptionDate: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:56:35 +1100



It's a complex list of stuff, not just bfing, that creates lactational ammenorhea, Kylie. Cosleeping, no dummies, no bottles of ebm, no being away from your child/ren longer than about 3 hours, and having a nap in the daytime with them among other things. And then ultimately each woman is different in her experience of menstruation recommencing. Women who use bfing in conjunction with knowing their own fertile signs are doubly covered and a barrier method now and then if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, hey?
J

- Original Message - 
From: Kylie Carberry 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:09 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception


I am doing a story on contraception for a pareting magazine. I want to state that the WHO confirmed breastfeeding as 98 per cent effective means of birth control for the first six months   provided the baby was fully breasfed and periods have not commenced. So as far as the 'fully' part goes, how is that interpreted. My friend thought she was fully breastfeeding, however, her twin boys were sleeping 8 hours at night and thus she became pregnant when they were four months old. So does fully mean no less than four-hourly feeds. Or should women just take added precautions if they are not up for any little surprises.
thanks in advance
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Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-20 Thread Janet Fraser

It's a complex list of stuff, not just bfing, that creates lactational 
ammenorhea, Kylie. Cosleeping, no dummies, no bottles of ebm, no being away 
from your child/ren longer than about 3 hours, and having a nap in the daytime 
with them among other things. And then ultimately each woman is different in 
her experience of menstruation recommencing. Women who use bfing in conjunction 
with knowing their own fertile signs are doubly covered and a barrier method 
now and then if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, hey?
J
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kylie Carberry 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:09 AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception



  I am doing a story on contraception for a pareting magazine. I want to state 
that the WHO confirmed breastfeeding as 98 per cent effective means of birth 
control for the first six months   provided the baby was fully breasfed and 
periods have not commenced. So as far as the 'fully' part goes, how is that 
interpreted. My friend thought she was fully breastfeeding, however, her twin 
boys were sleeping 8 hours at night and thus she became pregnant when they were 
four months old. So does fully mean no less than four-hourly feeds. Or should 
women just take added precautions if they are not up for any little surprises.

  thanks in advance



  Kylie Carberry 
  Freelance Journalist 
  p: +61 2 42970115 
  m: +61 2 418220638 
  f: +61 2 42970747
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[ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-20 Thread Kylie Carberry

I am doing a story on contraception for a pareting magazine. I want to state that the WHO confirmed breastfeeding as 98 per cent effective means of birth control for the first six months   provided the baby was fully breasfed and periods have not commenced. So as far as the 'fully' part goes, how is that interpreted. My friend thought she was fully breastfeeding, however, her twin boys were sleeping 8 hours at night and thus she became pregnant when they were four months old. So does fully mean no less than four-hourly feeds. Or should women just take added precautions if they are not up for any little surprises.
thanks in advance
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[ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding: Milk, Health and Love

2006-12-14 Thread Barbara Glare & Chris Bright

Hi,

I'd just like to let you know about the ABA Seminars, "Breastfeeding: Milk, 
Health and Love" to be held Feb 27th (Brisband) Feb  28th (Sydney) March 1st 
(Geelong) and March 2nd (Adelaide)  We have a great line-up of speakers and 
topics (vaires a bit from state to state) But includes Dr Diane Spatz (USA) 
"Supporting low birthweight babies to breastfeed" and "More than lipservice - 
changing institutional culture to REALLY Support Breastfeeding" Dr Gillian Opie 
"Understanding and using the WHO growth standards" and "Ilicit Drugs and 
breastfeeding" Dr Peter Mansfield "Education or marketing?  Does advertising 
influence you?" Pinky McKay "Milk, sleep and love" Dr Yvonne Luxford "Was the 
toothfairy breastfed? Dental Health and the breastfed child"
Alison Osbourne "The post-baby conversation"
CERPs have been applied for.

Also, on the day before each seminar we will be running a "Counselling the 
Breastfeeding Mother workshop" and will be running one in Perth as well.  These 
have been extremely popular and chock full of counselling techniques, ethical 
considerations and problem solving strategies.  They are limited to 30 - so get 
in soon

To book, go to http://www.lrc.asn.au/2007
If you would like me to e-mail a pdf brochure for your state to share with your 
collegues you can contact me on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
or if you e-mail me your address  can put some flyers in the mail

Regards,
Barb
Barb Glare
Counsellor, ABA Warrnambool Group
Mum of Zac, 13, Dan, 11, Cassie, 8 and Guan 3
Director, ABA and Mothers Direct
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.mothersdirect.com.au
Have you bought your 2007 calendar yet?

RE: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding - Parliamentary inquiry

2006-12-11 Thread Kelly Zantey

I emailed google about Wyeth advertising in Adwords, here's my reply so far:

 

Hello Kelly,

 

Thank you for your detailed email.

 

I have forwarded your email to our policy specialists who are going to
review your request. We appreciate hearing from our advertisers and
encourage you to continue to let us know how we could improve the Google
AdWords experience. In order to maintain a great user experience, we are
always interested in making improvements our advertising rules.

 

Sincerely, 

 

Peter G. 

The Google Australia & NZ AdWords Team 

 

 

All it takes is a few words :-) 

 

Best Regards,

 

Kelly Zantey

Creator,  <http://www.bellybelly.com.au> BellyBelly.com.au

Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby

 <http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support> BellyBelly Birth Support

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Glare &
Chris Bright
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 3:53 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding - Parliamentary inquiry

 

Dear Julie,

 

We are hoping there will be some legislation around the marketing of infant
formula - it's quite out of hand at the moment, and is having a detrimental
effect on breastfeeding. At best breastfeeding rates are stagnating, and at
worst they are declining - certainly not matching the government's own
targets.   We are hoping that all governments will take a lead role (as
suggested in the media release) in promoting and supporting breastfeeding.
When compared to other major health promotion targets, a miniscule amount is
spent on breastfeeding, and often with a scattergun approach.

 

We encourage all groups and individuals to make a submission to the
parliamentary inquiry

 

Barb

- Original Message - 

From: Julie Clarke <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:01 AM

Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding - Parliamentary inquiry

 

Dear Barb,

This looks very promising below, what are you hoping will come of it?

Warm hug

Julie

 

 

Julie Clarke 

Childbirth and Parenting Educator

ACE Grad-Dip Supervisor

NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer

 

Transition into Parenthood

9 Withybrook Pl

Sylvania NSW 2224.

T. (02) 9544 6441

F. (02) 9544 9257

Mobile 0401 2655 30

email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.julieclarke.com.au

 

 

 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Glare &
Chris Bright
Sent: Friday, 8 December 2006 6:44 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding - Parliamentary inquiry

 

# 
House of Representatives - Email alert service
# 

Issued by: House of Representatives Liaison & Projects Office, Wednesday 6
December 2006 

Parliament launches new inquiry into breastfeeding 
  
Chairman of the House of Representatives Standing Committee on Health and
Ageing, Alex Somlyay, today announced a new parliamentary inquiry into the
health benefits of breastfeeding.

Mr Somlyay said that the Committee will examine how the Australian
government can take a lead role to improve the health of the population
through support for breastfeeding. 

"There is considerable evidence suggesting the health of the Australian
population may be improved by increasing the rate of breastfeeding," Mr
Somlyay said. "The committee will be looking at the potential effects on the
long term sustainability of Australia's health system".

In 2001, approximately 54 per cent of babies were fully breastfed at 3
months of age or less, compared with around 32 per cent of infants by 6
months of age or less. Rates of breastfeeding vary between different
population groups.

"It is worth noting that there is anecdotal evidence that new mothers are
not being closely supported or greatly encouraged to persist with
breastfeeding", Mr Somlyay said. "The public perception is that
breastfeeding is not necessarily accepted as the most desirable way of
nourishing young babies or preventing long term health problems."

The Committee invites public submissions by 28 February 2007 on: 
How the Commonwealth government can take a lead role to improve the health
of the Australian population through support for breastfeeding, with
particular consideration to:

*   The extent of the health benefits of breastfeeding; 
*   Evaluate the impact of marketing of breast milk substitutes on
breastfeeding rates and, in particular, in disadvantaged, Indigenous and
remote communities;

*   The potential short and long term impact on the health of
Australians of increasing the rate of breastfeeding; 
*   Initiatives to encourage breastfeeding; 
*   Examine the effectiveness of current measures to promote
breastfeeding; and 
*   The impact of breastfeeding on the long term sustai

Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding - Parliamentary inquiry

2006-12-11 Thread Kristin Beckedahl

Isnt it ironic how BF rates are declining and cancer rates are increasing.  
Isnt it more ironic the amount of money (hundreds of billions!!) over the last 30 years that has been poured into cancer research yet the statistics are just as prevalent.  
Whatever happened to pouring money into prevention...? Drug companies, medical research and government money are such good friends.sigh
Kristin (feeling cynical & VERY frustrated)



From: "Barbara Glare & Chris Bright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding - Parliamentary inquiryDate: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:53:18 +1100







Dear Julie,
 
We are hoping there will be some legislation around the marketing of infant formula - it's quite out of hand at the moment, and is having a detrimental effect on breastfeeding. At best breastfeeding rates are stagnating, and at worst they are declining - certainly not matching the government's own targets.   We are hoping that all governments will take a lead role (as suggested in the media release) in promoting and supporting breastfeeding. When compared to other major health promotion targets, a miniscule amount is spent on breastfeeding, and often with a scattergun approach.
 
We encourage all groups and individuals to make a submission to the parliamentary inquiry
 
Barb

- Original Message - 
From: Julie Clarke 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:01 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding - Parliamentary inquiry


Dear Barb,
This looks very promising below, what are you hoping will come of it?
Warm hug
Julie
 

 
Julie Clarke 
Childbirth and Parenting Educator
ACE Grad-Dip Supervisor
NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer
 
Transition into Parenthood
9 Withybrook Pl
Sylvania NSW 2224.
T. (02) 9544 6441
F. (02) 9544 9257
Mobile 0401 2655 30
email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.julieclarke.com.au
 
 
 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Glare & Chris BrightSent: Friday, 8 December 2006 6:44 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding - Parliamentary inquiry
 

# House of Representatives - Email alert service# 
Issued by: House of Representatives Liaison & Projects Office, Wednesday 6 December 2006 
Parliament launches new inquiry into breastfeeding   Chairman of the House of Representatives Standing Committee on Health and Ageing, Alex Somlyay, today announced a new parliamentary inquiry into the health benefits of breastfeeding.
Mr Somlyay said that the Committee will examine how the Australian government can take a lead role to improve the health of the population through support for breastfeeding. 
There is considerable evidence suggesting the health of the Australian population may be improved by increasing the rate of breastfeeding, Mr Somlyay said. The committee will be looking at the potential effects on the long term sustainability of Australias health system.
In 2001, approximately 54 per cent of babies were fully breastfed at 3 months of age or less, compared with around 32 per cent of infants by 6 months of age or less. Rates of breastfeeding vary between different population groups.
It is worth noting that there is anecdotal evidence that new mothers are not being closely supported or greatly encouraged to persist with breastfeeding, Mr Somlyay said. The public perception is that breastfeeding is not necessarily accepted as the most desirable way of nourishing young babies or preventing long term health problems.
The Committee invites public submissions by 28 February 2007 on: How the Commonwealth government can take a lead role to improve the health of the Australian population through support for breastfeeding, with particular consideration to:
·   The extent of the health benefits of breastfeeding; ·   Evaluate the impact of marketing of breast milk substitutes on breastfeeding rates and, in particular, in disadvantaged, Indigenous and remote communities;
·   The potential short and long term impact on the health of Australians of increasing the rate of breastfeeding; ·   Initiatives to encourage breastfeeding; ·   Examine the effectiveness of current measures to promote breastfeeding; and ·   The impact of breastfeeding on the long term sustainability of Australias health system. 
For media interview with the Chairman: Please contact the Committee Secretary on 02 6277 4145. 
For a copy of the terms of reference and further information on making a submission: contact the Committee secretariat on
(02) 6277 4145 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit the website at www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/haa 
Issued by: Andrew Dawson, media adviser, Liaison & Projects Office, House of Representatives Tel: (02) 6277 2063 wk, 0401 143 724 mob.
Have you got About the House magazine yet?

Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding - Parliamentary inquiry

2006-12-09 Thread Barbara Glare & Chris Bright

Dear Julie,

We are hoping there will be some legislation around the marketing of infant 
formula - it's quite out of hand at the moment, and is having a detrimental 
effect on breastfeeding. At best breastfeeding rates are stagnating, and at 
worst they are declining - certainly not matching the government's own targets. 
  We are hoping that all governments will take a lead role (as suggested in the 
media release) in promoting and supporting breastfeeding. When compared to 
other major health promotion targets, a miniscule amount is spent on 
breastfeeding, and often with a scattergun approach.

We encourage all groups and individuals to make a submission to the 
parliamentary inquiry

Barb
  - Original Message - 
  From: Julie Clarke 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:01 AM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding - Parliamentary inquiry


  Dear Barb,

  This looks very promising below, what are you hoping will come of it?

  Warm hug

  Julie

   

   

  Julie Clarke 

  Childbirth and Parenting Educator

  ACE Grad-Dip Supervisor

  NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer

   

  Transition into Parenthood

  9 Withybrook Pl

  Sylvania NSW 2224.

  T. (02) 9544 6441

  F. (02) 9544 9257

  Mobile 0401 2655 30

  email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  www.julieclarke.com.au

   

   

   


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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Glare 
& Chris Bright
  Sent: Friday, 8 December 2006 6:44 AM
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding - Parliamentary inquiry

   

  # 
  House of Representatives - Email alert service
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  Issued by: House of Representatives Liaison & Projects Office, Wednesday 6 
December 2006 

  Parliament launches new inquiry into breastfeeding 

  Chairman of the House of Representatives Standing Committee on Health and 
Ageing, Alex Somlyay, today announced a new parliamentary inquiry into the 
health benefits of breastfeeding.

  Mr Somlyay said that the Committee will examine how the Australian government 
can take a lead role to improve the health of the population through support 
for breastfeeding. 

  "There is considerable evidence suggesting the health of the Australian 
population may be improved by increasing the rate of breastfeeding," Mr Somlyay 
said. "The committee will be looking at the potential effects on the long term 
sustainability of Australia's health system".

  In 2001, approximately 54 per cent of babies were fully breastfed at 3 months 
of age or less, compared with around 32 per cent of infants by 6 months of age 
or less. Rates of breastfeeding vary between different population groups.

  "It is worth noting that there is anecdotal evidence that new mothers are not 
being closely supported or greatly encouraged to persist with breastfeeding", 
Mr Somlyay said. "The public perception is that breastfeeding is not 
necessarily accepted as the most desirable way of nourishing young babies or 
preventing long term health problems."

  The Committee invites public submissions by 28 February 2007 on: 
  How the Commonwealth government can take a lead role to improve the health of 
the Australian population through support for breastfeeding, with particular 
consideration to:

  ·   The extent of the health benefits of breastfeeding; 
  ·   Evaluate the impact of marketing of breast milk substitutes on 
breastfeeding rates and, in particular, in disadvantaged, Indigenous and remote 
communities;

  ·   The potential short and long term impact on the health of Australians 
of increasing the rate of breastfeeding; 
  ·   Initiatives to encourage breastfeeding; 
  ·   Examine the effectiveness of current measures to promote 
breastfeeding; and 
  ·   The impact of breastfeeding on the long term sustainability of 
Australia's health system. 

  For media interview with the Chairman: Please contact the Committee Secretary 
on 02 6277 4145. 

  For a copy of the terms of reference and further information on making a 
submission: contact the Committee secretariat on

  (02) 6277 4145 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit the website at 
  www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/haa 

  Issued by: 
  Andrew Dawson, media adviser, Liaison & Projects Office, House of 
Representatives Tel: (02) 6277 2063 wk, 0401 143 724 mob.

  Have you got About the House magazine yet? 

  Barb Glare
  Mum of Zac, 12, Daniel, 10, Cassie 7 & Guan 3
  Counsellor, Warrnambool Vic
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   

  **

   

  Ph (03) 5565 8602
  Director, Australian Breastfeeding Association
  Mothers Direct
  www.mothersdirect.com.au

RE: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding - Parliamentary inquiry

2006-12-07 Thread Julie Clarke

Dear Barb,

This looks very promising below, what are you hoping will come of it?

Warm hug

Julie

 

 

Julie Clarke 

Childbirth and Parenting Educator

ACE Grad-Dip Supervisor

NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer

 

Transition into Parenthood

9 Withybrook Pl

Sylvania NSW 2224.

T. (02) 9544 6441

F. (02) 9544 9257

Mobile 0401 2655 30

email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.julieclarke.com.au

 

 

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Glare &
Chris Bright
Sent: Friday, 8 December 2006 6:44 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding - Parliamentary inquiry

 

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House of Representatives - Email alert service
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Issued by: House of Representatives Liaison & Projects Office, Wednesday 6
December 2006 

Parliament launches new inquiry into breastfeeding 
  
Chairman of the House of Representatives Standing Committee on Health and
Ageing, Alex Somlyay, today announced a new parliamentary inquiry into the
health benefits of breastfeeding.

Mr Somlyay said that the Committee will examine how the Australian
government can take a lead role to improve the health of the population
through support for breastfeeding. 

"There is considerable evidence suggesting the health of the Australian
population may be improved by increasing the rate of breastfeeding," Mr
Somlyay said. "The committee will be looking at the potential effects on the
long term sustainability of Australia's health system".

In 2001, approximately 54 per cent of babies were fully breastfed at 3
months of age or less, compared with around 32 per cent of infants by 6
months of age or less. Rates of breastfeeding vary between different
population groups.

"It is worth noting that there is anecdotal evidence that new mothers are
not being closely supported or greatly encouraged to persist with
breastfeeding", Mr Somlyay said. "The public perception is that
breastfeeding is not necessarily accepted as the most desirable way of
nourishing young babies or preventing long term health problems."

The Committee invites public submissions by 28 February 2007 on: 
How the Commonwealth government can take a lead role to improve the health
of the Australian population through support for breastfeeding, with
particular consideration to:

*   The extent of the health benefits of breastfeeding; 
*   Evaluate the impact of marketing of breast milk substitutes on
breastfeeding rates and, in particular, in disadvantaged, Indigenous and
remote communities;

*   The potential short and long term impact on the health of
Australians of increasing the rate of breastfeeding; 
*   Initiatives to encourage breastfeeding; 
*   Examine the effectiveness of current measures to promote
breastfeeding; and 
*   The impact of breastfeeding on the long term sustainability of
Australia's health system. 

For media interview with the Chairman: Please contact the Committee
Secretary on 02 6277 4145. 

For a copy of the terms of reference and further information on making a
submission: contact the Committee secretariat on

(02) 6277 4145 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit the website at 
 <http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/haa>
www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/haa 

Issued by: 
Andrew Dawson, media adviser, Liaison & Projects Office, House of
Representatives Tel: (02) 6277 2063 wk, 0401 143 724 mob.

Have you got About the House magazine yet? 

Barb Glare
Mum of Zac, 12, Daniel, 10, Cassie 7 & Guan 3
Counsellor, Warrnambool Vic
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

**

 

Ph (03) 5565 8602
Director, Australian Breastfeeding Association
Mothers Direct
www.mothersdirect.com.au

[ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding - Parliamentary inquiry

2006-12-07 Thread Barbara Glare & Chris Bright

# 
House of Representatives - Email alert service
# 

Issued by: House of Representatives Liaison & Projects Office, Wednesday 6 
December 2006 

Parliament launches new inquiry into breastfeeding 
  
Chairman of the House of Representatives Standing Committee on Health and 
Ageing, Alex Somlyay, today announced a new parliamentary inquiry into the 
health benefits of breastfeeding.

Mr Somlyay said that the Committee will examine how the Australian government 
can take a lead role to improve the health of the population through support 
for breastfeeding. 

"There is considerable evidence suggesting the health of the Australian 
population may be improved by increasing the rate of breastfeeding," Mr Somlyay 
said. "The committee will be looking at the potential effects on the long term 
sustainability of Australia's health system".

In 2001, approximately 54 per cent of babies were fully breastfed at 3 months 
of age or less, compared with around 32 per cent of infants by 6 months of age 
or less. Rates of breastfeeding vary between different population groups.

"It is worth noting that there is anecdotal evidence that new mothers are not 
being closely supported or greatly encouraged to persist with breastfeeding", 
Mr Somlyay said. "The public perception is that breastfeeding is not 
necessarily accepted as the most desirable way of nourishing young babies or 
preventing long term health problems."

The Committee invites public submissions by 28 February 2007 on: 
How the Commonwealth government can take a lead role to improve the health of 
the Australian population through support for breastfeeding, with particular 
consideration to:

  ·   The extent of the health benefits of breastfeeding; 
  ·   Evaluate the impact of marketing of breast milk substitutes on 
breastfeeding rates and, in particular, in disadvantaged, Indigenous and remote 
communities;

  ·   The potential short and long term impact on the health of Australians 
of increasing the rate of breastfeeding; 
  ·   Initiatives to encourage breastfeeding; 
  ·   Examine the effectiveness of current measures to promote 
breastfeeding; and 
  ·   The impact of breastfeeding on the long term sustainability of 
Australia's health system. 

For media interview with the Chairman: Please contact the Committee Secretary 
on 02 6277 4145. 

For a copy of the terms of reference and further information on making a 
submission: contact the Committee secretariat on

(02) 6277 4145 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit the website at 
www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/haa 

Issued by: 
Andrew Dawson, media adviser, Liaison & Projects Office, House of 
Representatives Tel: (02) 6277 2063 wk, 0401 143 724 mob.

Have you got About the House magazine yet? 


Barb Glare
Mum of Zac, 12, Daniel, 10, Cassie 7 & Guan 3
Counsellor, Warrnambool Vic
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

**

Ph (03) 5565 8602
Director, Australian Breastfeeding Association
Mothers Direct
www.mothersdirect.com.au

Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding is Best, But What Comes Next?

2006-11-23 Thread Janet Fraser

  Well a lot of our ideas of "low" "high" and "appropriate" levels of iron come 
from formula companies trying to make bm out to be defective. The real studies 
into iron and children are very different. I never understand the logic that 
people think toddlers need a special food so you have to give them formula when 
we have prefectly fine toddler food in our breasts. My kid seems to have 
survived without the benefit of Karicare.
  [insert vomiting noises] I hate artificial feed companies.
  J

  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelly Zantey 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 2:14 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding is Best, But What Comes Next?


  That's the full page ad in the back of Melbourne's Child this month.. and the 
answer? Karicare of course. I think they have it wrong. that's not what the WHO 
says! J There is also a chart that compares Karicare against other dairy 
products with regards to sugar levels and they have highlighted that they are 
5th down the list - all cows milk above them, flavoured milk and yoghurt under 
it. I hate too how they flaunt the high levels of iron and that 1 in 3 toddlers 
has low iron stores.

[ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding is Best, But What Comes Next?

2006-11-23 Thread Kelly Zantey

That's the full page ad in the back of Melbourne's Child this month.. and
the answer? Karicare of course. I think they have it wrong. that's not what
the WHO says! :-) There is also a chart that compares Karicare against other
dairy products with regards to sugar levels and they have highlighted that
they are 5th down the list - all cows milk above them, flavoured milk and
yoghurt under it. I hate too how they flaunt the high levels of iron and
that 1 in 3 toddlers has low iron stores.

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