Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2003-01-17 Thread William Kane
Dr E D F Williams wrote: All DNA is subject to mathematical constraints resulting from geometries of the molecules making up the DNA which are in turn dictated by the mathematics of the geometry governing their individual atoms which is in turn the result of several of these universal

Vs: OT: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-31 Thread Raimo Korhonen
23:13 Aihe: Re: OT: Numbers and the Golden Section Hi, Bob, You know, I think that quote kind of sums up all of these threads that have quite exploded here in the last several days. (which I've enjoyed immensely, btw, even though much of it goes over my flat head) Kelvin was a scientist. He

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section (off-topic in extremis)

2002-12-31 Thread Steve Desjardins
How on earth this relates to Pentax products is to me a much greater mental challenge. Pentax is the only camera maker whose name relates to a number. Coincidence? (X-files music begins. . . .)

Re: OT: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-31 Thread Rfsindg
Personally, I have an old quote hanging in my office from Lord Kelvin. You know, the guy who invented the Kelvinator, the early models of the home refrigerator. Did these refrigerators keep your food at absolute zero? Well, very nearly absolute zero. g Bob S.

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-31 Thread Peter Alling
It might fog part of one frame, it would probably be recorded as a point source. Unless the rules of optics in particular and physics in general have been re-written recently, and I didn't get the memo, I'd just laugh at him. At 03:39 AM 12/31/2002 +0100, you wrote: At 13:50 2002-12-30 +0200,

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-31 Thread Peter Alling
Web wizard, or so he thinks, they think they're wired and to them that's all that counts. At 10:32 PM 12/30/2002 -0500, you wrote: Hi, Geir, What's a nethead? I don't think we have them here in Toronto. Or if we do, I'm not hip enough to know what or who they are g. Just curious... thanks,

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-31 Thread Peter Alling
So long and thanks for the fish. At 08:08 AM 12/31/2002 -0500, you wrote: No, silly, 42 is the answer! T Rittenhouse wrote: 12 is the answer. Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-31 Thread T Rittenhouse
And thank you for the new earth. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 2:17 AM Subject: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section So long and thanks

Re: OT: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-31 Thread T Rittenhouse
AM Subject: Re: OT: Numbers and the Golden Section Personally, I have an old quote hanging in my office from Lord Kelvin. You know, the guy who invented the Kelvinator, the early models of the home refrigerator. Did these refrigerators keep your food at absolute zero? -- Mark Roberts

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Peter Alling
: - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely Subject: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section All mathematics is counting - things exist or they do not. Mathematics has therefore always existed. Because you may have no language to describe something does not mean it doesn't exist. The symbology

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread jcoyle
] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section I think the most universal and mathematical number is '0'. Why that is, I don't know, but why should a number that supposedly has quantitative value represent 'nothing'. You can't put a value on something

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Bob Rapp
Obviously, you have never had to deal with imaginary numbers. Bob - Original Message - From: Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think the most universal and mathematical number is '0'. Why that is, I don't know, but why should a number that supposedly has quantitative value represent

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Dr E D F Williams
, 2002 10:10 PM Subject: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section All mathematics is counting - things exist or they do not. Because you may have no language to describe something does not mean it doesn't exist. The symbology of mathematics is the tool, not mathematics itself. Valence? Valence

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Bob Rapp
Well stated! Also, the eye is trained or brainwashed from an early age. Some of us have been trained to read from left to right, for others, the opposite is true. In the case of a portrait, do our eyes prefer the subject looking to our right? Which side of the photograph should the

Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 29. joulukuuta 2002 23:34 Aihe: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section It is clear that we are not communicating. I have no idea why an object has

Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 29. joulukuuta 2002 23:41 Aihe: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section Blathering

Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 30. joulukuuta 2002 0:01 Aihe: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section It's who he is. I think I'm just growing to accept it. Actually it's becoming amusing. He knows EVERYTHING so he needs nothing from us. He has no actual advice to give. He misconstrues everything

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread T Rittenhouse
: Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section I think the most universal and mathematical number is '0'. Why that is, I don't know, but why should a number that supposedly has quantitative value represent 'nothing'. You can't put a value on something that does not exist, yet we do. It means

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Dr E D F Williams
] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 12:05 PM Subject: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section To know about numbers is mathematics. In an earlier post you wrote about languages (with reference to Hayakawa). Try to think mathematics as a language - a system of description. Objects exist whether

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Rfsindg
Math and numbers are a precise language used to describe nature and ideas. It is no accident that those trained in the biological sciences are arguing here with those trained in modern physics (most of engineering). The biological sciences are not worked out far enough to be precisely

Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
Correct. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 30. joulukuuta 2002 15:23 Aihe: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
- Lähettäjä: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 30. joulukuuta 2002 14:45 Aihe: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section Mike wrote: Sorry, Bob, but I'm with Dr. Don on this one. What he's said about six times is perfectly correct and I think

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Doug Franklin
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:14:16 -0500, Mark Roberts wrote: David Hume to the white courtesy telephone, please! David Hume could out consume Schopenhauer and Hegel, but Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just a sloshed as Schlegel. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Steve Desjardins
Hume is famous for a reason. (My own view, however, is probably more in line with Kant's reply to Hume.) But this also fits well with the modern scientific approach to human understanding. By this I mean that what we think is a product of the brain which is a physical object that works by some

Vs: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 30. joulukuuta 2002 16:31 Aihe: Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section Hume is famous for a reason. (My own view, however, is probably more in line with Kant's

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Bob Blakely
Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy! - Benjamin Franklin - Original Message - From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 9:29 PM Subject: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section What you are saying is EXACTLY

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Bob Blakely
From: Dr E D F Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] [nonsense skipped] --- Mr Blakely, How can you connect (1) below, with (2)? By what logic? (1) All mathematics is counting - (2) things exist or they do not. Binary mathematics. These two statements are not

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Steve Larson
: Numbers and the Golden Section Well, ok, but since thoughts of a possible ET arose in the mind of man mathematics has been described by scientists and science fiction writers alike as the only universal language with which we might begin communication. The contact plate placed aboard the voyager

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Bob Blakely
From: Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I do not know who you are but it is obvious that you do not know very much about the philosophy of science. I'm Robert C Blakely, BSM, BSE, MSE Actually, it's clear that you do not recognize the classical philosophies of math and physics. These same

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Bob Blakely
It was Einstein. He continued, I do not know if mathematics is the language of the universe. He was referring to classical thought regarding mathematics as essentially the language of God in which the Universe was written. Regards, Bob

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Rfsindg
Don, Then your arguement is a philosophical one, like If a tree falls in the forest does it make any noise? Nature does have rules and order and symetry, but mathematics is irrelevant until we try to explain this to others? (And if I still remember correctly, Maxwell's equations don't have

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Paul Stenquist
D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 7:31 PM Subject: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section Don

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread John Whicker
- Original Message - From: Dr E D F Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 6:16 PM Subject: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section Nope. Its absolutely clear what I mean. There is nothing philosophical about it. I hold that Mathematics

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Brad Dobo
Pentax. Perhaps some topics can be taken to private emails? Just a suggestion. Brad - Original Message - From: Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:27 PM Subject: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section I am essentially a good-natured

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Pål Jensen
Mike wrote: What I said is that mathematics is a human invention. Of course it is. But does it matter as long as it describe real things? Graphic relationships in an image can easily be described by mathematics. Pål

Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
to boing old Pentax. Perhaps some topics can be taken to private emails? Just a suggestion. Brad - Original Message - From: Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:27 PM Subject: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section I am essentially a good

Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
: Numbers and the Golden Section - Original Message - From: Dr E D F Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 6:16 PM Subject: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section Nope. Its absolutely clear what I mean. There is nothing philosophical about it. I hold

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Mark Roberts
and the Golden Section - Original Message - From: Dr E D F Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 6:16 PM Subject: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section Nope. Its absolutely clear what I mean. There is nothing philosophical about it. I hold

Vs: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
. joulukuuta 2002 21:22 Aihe: Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here we go again - another Pythagorean. Hmm, I would have said Platonist. -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: John Whicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL

OT: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Rfsindg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, ok, but since thoughts of a possible ET arose in the mind of man mathematics has been described by scientists and science fiction writers alike as the only universal language with which we might begin communication. Personally, I have an old quote hanging in my

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread frank theriault
I especially like the exclamation point! Raimo wouldn't be Raimo without it! cheers! frank! (I mean no disrespect, btw, Raimo. Just fooling around. And I ~really~ do like your excamation point.) Paul Stenquist wrote: Brad, Brad, Brad :-( We love, All the best! -- The optimist thinks

Re: Vs: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Mark Roberts
viesti- Lähettäjä: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 30. joulukuuta 2002 21:22 Aihe: Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here we go again - another Pythagorean. Hmm, I would have said Platonist

Vs: Vs: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 30. joulukuuta 2002 22:36 Aihe: Re: Vs: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not far off - but Plato´s theory was about ideas of things, not numbers. Ah no! Plato's theory was about ideas *themselves*! Foremost among

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread T Rittenhouse
12 is the answer. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section Well, ok, but since thoughts of a possible ET

Re: OT: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Mark, I didn't say that numbers don't have their place, or that they're not necessary to describe certain things - of course they are. If I want to describe a certain number of things that is more than 41, but less than 43, I think I'd likely use 42. g (Kind of reminds me of the Holy

Re: OT: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Rfsindg
Frank, I like Kelvin's quote too, in part because when I try to express myself in art or philosophy or... photography I am reminded that my 'Knowledge' is so 'meager and unsatisfactory'. vbg Regards, Bob S. In a message dated 12/30/2002 5:08:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Rfsindg
In a message dated 12/30/2002 5:27:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Frank Theriault wrote: Which is why we have scientists, mathematicians, philosophers and artists. And which is why the lines between these disciplines are often very blurry, because when you

Re: OT: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Mark Roberts
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't say that numbers don't have their place, or that they're not necessary to describe certain things - of course they are. If I want to describe a certain number of things that is more than 41, but less than 43, I think I'd likely use 42. g (Kind

Re: OT: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Pat White
Not making sense, Frank? Your post made more sense, in less space, than most of the recent long-winded pontificating. Thanks for your $2 worth. Pat White

Re: OT: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Pål Jensen
Bob wrote: Mozart's music was perfect. Mathematicians have spend many lifetimes trying to discover his secrets. Was there a Golden Section in his music? Surely! Music is pure mathematics. Reseach has even shown that matematic skills improves if listening to music; particularly complex music.

Re: OT: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread frank theriault
Not being a Hitchhikers geek, I wouldn't have known that. I'm a Python geek. However, I know many who are both! vbg cheers, frank Mark Roberts wrote: erm...I was just making a Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy joke. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com -- The

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread T Rittenhouse
and the Golden Section Here we go again - another Pythagorean. All the best! John

Re: OT: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread frank theriault
Geez, guys, stop it! I'm blushing - I really didn't mean to be profound or nothin'. It was quite accidental, I assure you. -frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/30/2002 5:27:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Frank Theriault wrote: Which is why

Re: OT: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread frank theriault
If it made sense to you, Pat, I'm glad. That, however may be more of a comment on you, than it is on whether my post made sense or not! g -frank Pat White wrote: Not making sense, Frank? Your post made more sense, in less space, than most of the recent long-winded pontificating. Thanks

Re: OT: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread frank theriault
Which may be why exposing children to classical music at a very early age (as infants) may well have an effect on their mathematical abilities as they grow. Which of course doesn't explain me, as my father listened to The Classics constantly, and I'm a mathematical idiot! g That being said,

Re: OT: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread T Rittenhouse
] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 5:52 PM Subject: Re: OT: Numbers and the Golden Section Geez, guys, stop it! I'm blushing - I really didn't mean to be profound or nothin'. It was quite accidental, I assure you.

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Peter Alling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 11:58 PM Subject: Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section I think the most universal and mathematical number is '0'. Why that is, I don't know, but why should a number that supposedly has quantitative value represent

Re[2]: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, Tuesday, December 31, 2002, 11:48:43 AM, you wrote: I'm glad you said that. It needed to be said. At 06:07 AM 12/30/2002 -0500, you wrote: Zero is not a number, it is a place holder. Funny thing is that without it mathematics is very difficult. you're confusing the value with the

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section (off-topic in extremis)

2002-12-30 Thread Bob Rapp
1.Pickup your camera 2.Count the numbers 3.Add the numbers 4Divide the sum by the number of numbers. 5You now have the Mean Average for your camera. Other than that? Hell, I don't know! Bob Rapp - Original Message - From: Geir Aalberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] How on earth

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Geir Aalberg
At 13:50 2002-12-30 +0200, Dr E D F Williams wrote: In some parts of the world, we have recently been told, the act of taking a photograph of a person (with a Pentax camera?) removes a part of his or her 'soul'. One must assume, using the same logic, that this 'part' is somehow incorporated into

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Geir, What's a nethead? I don't think we have them here in Toronto. Or if we do, I'm not hip enough to know what or who they are g. Just curious... thanks, frank Geir Aalberg wrote: Interestingly enough I just recently tried to take a picture (alas with a Leica IIIf, not a Pentax)

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Mike Johnston
I repeat for the nth time: Nature does not obey, nor conform in any way to Mathematical rules. We can only observe what happens and try to understand it using whatever tools we have. Don, Methinks we are jousting with mystics here. It's clear what Bob's saying, but his view is essentially

Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Dr E D F Williams
It only leads to the 'Golden Section' because you want it to Herb. Nature does not obey numbers! There is nothing special about those numbers at all. But there may well be something very special about a thing they may have been used to describe. There are many ways in which a picture may be

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Blakely
Below... Regards, Bob Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy! - Benjamin Franklin From: Dr E D F Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] It only leads to the 'Golden Section' because you want it to Herb. Nature

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Peter Alling
] Päivä: 29. joulukuuta 2002 17:38 Aihe: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section Below... Regards, Bob Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy! - Benjamin Franklin From: Dr E D F Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Dr E D F Williams
Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 6:38 PM Subject: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section Below... Regards, Bob

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Blakely
and the Golden Section In case anyone hasn't noticed this yet, it's impossible to resolve this argument, as people are operating from two different world views. I'm actually with Don on this one, as I believe mathematics is a tool, a language, and essentially a set of metaphors that we use

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Frantisek Vlcek
Sunday, December 29, 2002, 8:14:08 PM, Bob wrote: BB This sounds like an intriguing argument meant for discussion around a hearth BB and with brandy. [...] BB As I said, this is all very philosophical and requires brandy, or at least a BB consultation with the Reverend Jack Daniels. BB Regards,

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Blakely
All mathematics is counting - things exist or they do not. Mathematics has therefore always existed. Because you may have no language to describe something does not mean it doesn't exist. The symbology of mathematics is the tool, not mathematics itself. Valence? Valence is a counting of charge.

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread eactivist
In a message dated 12/29/2002 2:02:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are no recognised 'basic constants of the universe'. A, come on, you're overlooking the spiral. Wasn't there a book once about how often the spiral occurs in nature from micro to macro (sea

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread T Rittenhouse
, December 30, 2002 1:23 AM Subject: Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section You mean it doesn't??? At 07:47 PM 12/29/2002 +0100, you wrote: It is the other way round. Tell me one instance when a number has been observed in the nature. Lots of numbers can be found in the observations of nature

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob Blakely Subject: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section All mathematics is counting - things exist or they do not. Mathematics has therefore always existed. Because you may have no language to describe something does not mean it doesn't exist. The symbology

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: T Rittenhouse Subject: Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section Well, I saw a Seven running around in the woods the other day. Or maybe it was those mushrooms I et. My wife is a 9.2. William Robb

Vs: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Raimo Korhonen
and the Golden Section You mean it doesn't??? At 07:47 PM 12/29/2002 +0100, you wrote: It is the other way round. Tell me one instance when a number has been observed in the nature. Lots of numbers can be found in the observations of nature which describe it - but these numbers are just

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Blakely
: Numbers and the Golden Section Below... Regards, Bob Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy! - Benjamin Franklin From: Dr E D F Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] It only leads to the 'Golden

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Blakely
Har! I'm not typing this! ;) Regards, Bob Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy! - Benjamin Franklin From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] All mathematics is counting - things exist or they do

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Blakely
-Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 29. joulukuuta 2002 22:07 Aihe: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section I'm not sure I understand what you wrote but I'll give it a try. Tell me one instance when a number has

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Brad Dobo
: Numbers and the Golden Section abracadabra abracadabr abracadab abracada abracad abraca abrac abra abr ab a Right! Nature obeys no numbers. There are no recognised

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Blakely
: Numbers and the Golden Section I don't know why folks are so caustic these days. I don't know I'm so caustic these days. Perhaps I'm just thick and don't get it, but to me constants such as pi, universal gravitational constant, charge of an electron numbers of things and their combined effects

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Blakely
It's who he is. I think I'm just growing to accept it. Actually it's becoming amusing. He knows EVERYTHING so he needs nothing from us. He has no actual advice to give. He misconstrues everything that is said. He acts like a baby when his concepts of nature are challenged. So why is he here?

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Mike Johnston
This is quite specious! Technically, you're getting into the philosophy of entity, which is far from a settled discipline. Just the statement things exist is a philosophically disreputable statement. Ever read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance? The discussion on ghosts is about this

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Pål Jensen
Bob wrote: All mathematics is counting - things exist or they do not. Well, according to quantum mechanics some things might exist and not exist at the same time :-) Otherwise you're basically right. It has been proven without any doubt that there are relationships that can be expressed by

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Mike Johnston
Because something can't be represented exactly, it doesn't or can't exist? For this fellow, knowledge of pi to beyond what is sufficient accuracy to send landers to Mars is insufficient to conclude it exists and is natural! Talk about silly! Bob, The concept or principle exists. The number

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Doug Franklin
On Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:11:59 -0800, Bob Blakely wrote: Interesting points. I think language is often a stumbling block even for folks who claim to speak the same language. It sure seems to get me into trouble. Language is a butter knife. Some discussions require a surgeon's scalpel. TTYL,

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Blakely
O ! Yea ! T at's rig t! (h's have a low probability of existance in t is post.) Regards, Bob Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy! - Benjamin Franklin From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bob

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Blakely
No one anywhere at any time in any of these posts has claimed that it's the way we define it_ that dictates to nature what nature must be. If you're under the misconception that I or anyone else has, it's because you read the words we posted through your own provincial filter to arrive at such an

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Keith Whaley
. joulukuuta 2002 22:35 Aihe: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section I don't know why folks are so caustic these days. I don't know I'm so caustic these days. Perhaps I'm just thick and don't get it, but to me constants such as pi, universal gravitational constant, charge of an electron numbers

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Brad Dobo
Another thing that is bothering me about all these threads: why is nobody complaining about all these religion posts? We're busted. WW Yes, a dis-information tactic that failed. Once we got surrounded (circled) we were defeated by Pi.

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Rapp
for more than twenty five hundred years. Bob - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section - Original Message - From: T Rittenhouse Subject: Re: Vs

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Brad Dobo
'Y's a crooked letter that cannot be straightened. Figure out that one ;-) Brad - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 8:09 PM Subject: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section O ! Yea ! T at's rig t! (h's have

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Brad Dobo
. Just a thought. Brad - Original Message - From: Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 11:44 PM Subject: Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section Ok, That is it! From: http://www.cecm.sfu.ca/pi/pi.html an excerpt: Pi is one of the few

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Blakely
Puff the Magic Drag Queen says it's just like Bad Spoon... Regards, Bob SAVE THE PLANET - KILL YOURSELF! From: Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'Y's a crooked letter that cannot be straightened. Figure out that one ;-)

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Mike Johnston
What you are saying is EXACTLY what I and others have been saying. When I and others say or allude to the fact that mathematics existed before the dawn of time Sorry, Bob, but I'm with Dr. Don on this one. What he's said about six times is perfectly correct and I think you're the one not

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Brad Dobo
What you are saying is EXACTLY what I and others have been saying. When I and others say or allude to the fact that mathematics existed before the dawn of time Actually he is quite correct. You are imposing a human element to natural occurances, which is erroneous. You are speaking about

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread eactivist
In a message dated 12/30/2002 1:10:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What you are saying is EXACTLY what I and others have been saying. When I and others say or allude to the fact that mathematics existed before the dawn of time Actually he is quite correct.