RE: More: PESO 2012 - 006 (008, 009) - GDG
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of knarftheria...@gmail.com [...] Perhaps this is the exception that proves the rule (that's actually one of the most stupid sayings ever it makes perfect sense when you know that 'prove' used to mean 'test' (and still does in some contexts). B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Sailor's Delight
Thanks, Paul and Rick. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Very nice. You've missed sleet, snow, drizzle, and freezing rain today. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 7:12 PM Subject: PESO: Sailor's Delight Red sky in the morning, sailor take warning; red sky at night, sailor's delight. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15026340 This was the view behind our condo unit in Maui the other evening. Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG - Uploading of High Resolution Old Images
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:08 PM, apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: G'day all Just browsing my PPG account and I see a notification which states: For a limited time only, Photo Gallery users will be able to update images uploaded before the new redesign to a higher resolution. More info to come shortly! This is good news because those early images look quite soft when viewed on larger monitors. Just noticed that photos in the pending (new photos) are taking long to be accepted...I guess everyone is preoccupied with upgrading their old photos no one is voting... Bong :-) -- Bong Manayon http://bong.manayon.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Long enablement
Just found a decent price on the A* 300/4 with case. Nice lens. Now to find something to shoot with it. I was also wondering ... if I aligned a laser at the back end, would it/could it be even more precise when it got to its target (like the moon)? Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Watching My Carb
I haven't seen B12 Chem tool. I have seen PB Blaster. Another to add to the list. On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 1:31 AM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 22/01/2012 01:52, Steven Desjardins wrote: My current workbench project: http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_3zgwM8#!i=1680803911k=gQw34Hglb=1s=O This is the carburetor to Debbie's motorcycle. I'm trying to clean it without humiliating myself, but I am currently being balked by at least 7 frozen screws. Anyway, I took this shot but hated the colors of the bench and wasn't thrilled with the BW version, so I tried selective desaturation. Notice that when confronted with a true mechanical problem, I take a picture of it and re-read Pirsig's essay on stuckness. More practically, I've order an impact driver from Lisle. When you get it apart, remove all the rubber bits and dissimilar metals like brass/bronze jets. Fill a slow-cooker with neat antifreeze (the kind for alloy engines) and cook the carb overnight. Not in the kitchen. Rinse and enjoy. Modelmakers discovered this trick for removing castor-oil deposits from engines. -- No fixed Adobe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 2012 PDML Photo Annual: Week three report
Christine Aguila wrote: On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:10 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: We have reached the Heinz point: 57 images submitted so far. I hope mine cut the mustard. Mine got poupon'd. You know I relish discussions like this. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: More: PESO 2012 - 006 (008, 009) - GDG
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps this is the exception that proves the rule (that's actually one of the most stupid sayings ever) but yours works. Actually it's not a stupid expression, just a misunderstood one (and you, Frank, with your legal background, ought to know about it). It's a legal maxim that dates back to Rome - the famed orator Cicero is the first know reference. Basically, it means that the act of specifying an exception to a rule proves that such a rule exists even if said rule isn't explicitly stated. Here's a concrete example: In many states in the U.S. traffic law allows you to make a right turn at a red light (after coming to a stop). But not all states permit this, so the issue when traveling across country is determining whether the state you're in allows it. The presence of a sign that says No right turn on red is what you look for. The exception (the sign that says No right turn on red) proves the rule (that in general you *can* turn right on red). This is from a Dictionary of Foreign Words and Phrases in Current English, by Alan Bliss (ISBN 9780415059053) via Cecil Adams and the Straight Dope: Cicero was defending one Bilbo. (No relation to Frodo.) Bilbo was a non-Roman who was accused of having been illegally granted Roman citizenship. The prosecutor argued that treaties with some non-Roman peoples explicitly prohibited them from becoming Roman citizens. The treaty with Bilbo's homeboys had no such clause, but the prosecutor suggested one should be inferred. Nonsense, said Cicero. Quod si exceptio facit ne liceat, ubi non sit exceptum ... Oops, I keep forgetting how rusty folks are on subjunctives. Cicero said, if you prohibit something in certain cases, you imply that the rest of the time it's permitted. To put it another way, the explicit statement of an exception proves that a rule to the contrary prevails otherwise. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG - Uploading of High Resolution Old Images
My assumption as well, Bong. I'm just too lazy to undertake said conversions. I did review a couple of my favorites and decided they'll do as is. Jack From: Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:52 AM Subject: Re: PPG - Uploading of High Resolution Old Images On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:08 PM, apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: G'day all Just browsing my PPG account and I see a notification which states: For a limited time only, Photo Gallery users will be able to update images uploaded before the new redesign to a higher resolution. More info to come shortly! This is good news because those early images look quite soft when viewed on larger monitors. Just noticed that photos in the pending (new photos) are taking long to be accepted...I guess everyone is preoccupied with upgrading their old photos no one is voting... Bong :-) -- Bong Manayon http://bong.manayon.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photography on/from an aircraft - interesting rules on United
I'm sure their lawyers suggested this to help them in cases where something unusual went on during a flight. Nowadays, video of flight attendants bouncing down the aisle during heavy turbulence could/would be on TV before the aircraft landed... Cory On 1/22/2012 2:08 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Hi All, I thought this might be of interest to some PDMLers. Almost every time when I fly, I try to choose a window seat that is good for taking photographs. Prior to this I've never seen any rules governing taking photographs on/from the plane, except for those posted by airlines in Russia. (Photography on an airplane in the Soviet Union was strictly prohibited. Strictly speaking the rules still forbid it, but today's rules are not as strictly enforced.) Today I found: http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6867,1036,00.html Onboard photography and video policy The use of still and video cameras, film or digital, including any cellular or other devices that have this capability, is permitted only for recording of personal events. However, photography, audio, or video recording of other customers without their express prior consent is strictly prohibited. Also, unauthorized photography, audio, or video recording of airline personnel, aircraft equipment, or procedures is always prohibited. Any voice, audio, video, or other photography (motion or still), recording, or transmission while on any United Airlines aircraft is strictly prohibited, except to the extent specifically permitted by United Airlines. What about taking photos of things outside the aircract? I suspect, that it is prohibited by the last sentence: Any voice, audio, video, or other photography (motion or still), recording, or transmission while on any United Airlines aircraft is strictly prohibited This is the first time I see any explicit policy with respect to photography on an airplane in the US (or Europe outside of Russia). Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: my snow post
Pretty. We haven't tasted winter this year only heavy rain and storm. Toine On 21 January 2012 21:27, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote: It finally snowed here yesterday. That reminded me I had not posted some pictures from the 1st storm last Fall. Herewith please view my post of posts and snow. Happy to hear any reactions. http://donspix.posterous.com/a-taste-of-winter-posts-and-snow-photo -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: help! I upgraded Firefox and now...
Ann, It would be helpful to know what version of Firefox you upgraded to. There is a lot of info out there about java being disabled by Firefox 3.6 update. I believe the solution is simply that you need a newer version of Java installed. You'll find the steps here: http://java.com/en/download/help/firefox_online_install.xml Hope this helps. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Paw 4 Liz in candle light
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: What Paul and Stan said. Are you having fun with the K-5, Dave? Cheers, Christine Thanks Christine, Paul and Stan, and my sister who answered not via PDML.:-) Paul, yes i do like that bit of 'catch light' off the glasses. Stan, agree 100%, but i was just in lets see mode so now knowing what the K-5 is like with candle light i can play around with backgrounds more. Christine, yes i am liking thew camera very much, however i'm pretty much in play and see mode so far. Next is to see how it goes with the AF 360 flash. one thing, i have been asked to photograph a friend daughters wedding in Sept, so i plan on using the K-5 witht heD200 in natural light, low light for what i hope will be some nice photos. I have time to practise. Dave On Jan 21, 2012, at 11:33 AM, Stan Halpin wrote: Nice lighting, nice result. The light areas in the background do bother/distract me a little bit, I think it might be improved with a more homogeneous and unobtrusive background. stan On Jan 21, 2012, at 11:24 AM, David J Brooks wrote: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15024193 Four largish glass candles, K-5, D FA 50 2.8, ISO 2 at 1/25 at f2.8. Some LR noise reduction Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: PAW-1
Yup, thats a good paw alright. Nicely framed and posed, but i'm sure you had nothing to do with that.:-) Dave On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: I keep hearing about PAWs, and I have some fine images from those who follow that discipline, but nary a paw! So here is one for you. http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/h1C93A4BE#h1c93a4be stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: More: PESO 2012 - 006 (008, 009) - GDG
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote: New work with the new camera: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6737942645/lightbox/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6737942645/ Nice, i like the 'feel' here. Dave Oh yeah ... the traditional self portrait with new camera in mirror and pets. But I don't have any cats ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6738563787/lightbox/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6738563605/lightbox/ enjoy G -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO it snowed finally
Very old time feel to this shot, so naturally i like it very much. Very good detail Dave On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Here's what I walked into yesterday! Cheers, Christine http://www.caguila.com/frankbridge -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Sailor's Delight
Love the rich colour here. Dave On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Red sky in the morning, sailor take warning; red sky at night, sailor's delight. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15026340 This was the view behind our condo unit in Maui the other evening. Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 2012 PDML Photo Annual: Week three report
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: We have reached the Heinz point: 57 images submitted so far. If you're of the 58th variety, send your three best shots to http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/pdmlbook.php I hope some one pays me a condiment. Dave -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: my snow post
Great winter feel to it Dave On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote: It finally snowed here yesterday. That reminded me I had not posted some pictures from the 1st storm last Fall. Herewith please view my post of posts and snow. Happy to hear any reactions. http://donspix.posterous.com/a-taste-of-winter-posts-and-snow-photo -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Long enablement
How big a laser? On 1/22/2012 7:42 AM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: Just found a decent price on the A* 300/4 with case. Nice lens. Now to find something to shoot with it. I was also wondering ... if I aligned a laser at the back end, would it/could it be even more precise when it got to its target (like the moon)? Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs
Hello list I'd like to know the price tag :-) Regards Jens -- Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. On Jan 21, 2012 06:23 Bipin Gupta bip...@gmail.com wrote: Hello John, surely you have lenses (6) inches or smaller, being a seasoned Pentaxian. Why can't you go in to this event with the K-5 Body and lens(es) in separate bags. I have done this many times - body in my coat pocket and lens(es) in a carry on bag. Surely the K-5 is a mighty midget compared to many other cameras. Give it a try old chap. Regards. Bipin. As for the Pentax EVIL rumour, why would one buy a K-5 like speced camera when the K-5 is pretty small itself. See no fun in using an electronic viewfinder, if it has one. Lenses and compatibility w/o an AF adapter still remains a big mystery, even though the rumour says K-mount. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: More: PESO 2012 - 006 (008, 009) - GDG
-Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: 22 January 2012 13:41 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: More: PESO 2012 - 006 (008, 009) - GDG knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps this is the exception that proves the rule (that's actually one of the most stupid sayings ever) but yours works. Actually it's not a stupid expression, just a misunderstood one (and you, Frank, with your legal background, ought to know about it). It's a legal maxim that dates back to Rome - the famed orator Cicero is the first know reference. Basically, it means that the act of specifying an exception to a rule proves that such a rule exists even if said rule isn't explicitly stated. Here's a concrete example: In many states in the U.S. traffic law allows you to make a right turn at a red light (after coming to a stop). But not all states permit this, so the issue when traveling across country is determining whether the state you're in allows it. The presence of a sign that says No right turn on red is what you look for. The exception (the sign that says No right turn on red) proves the rule (that in general you *can* turn right on red). This is from a Dictionary of Foreign Words and Phrases in Current English, by Alan Bliss (ISBN 9780415059053) via Cecil Adams and the Straight Dope: Cicero was defending one Bilbo. (No relation to Frodo.) Bilbo was a non-Roman who was accused of having been illegally granted Roman citizenship. The prosecutor argued that treaties with some non-Roman peoples explicitly prohibited them from becoming Roman citizens. The treaty with Bilbo's homeboys had no such clause, but the prosecutor suggested one should be inferred. Nonsense, said Cicero. Quod si exceptio facit ne liceat, ubi non sit exceptum ... Oops, I keep forgetting how rusty folks are on subjunctives. Cicero said, if you prohibit something in certain cases, you imply that the rest of the time it's permitted. To put it another way, the explicit statement of an exception proves that a rule to the contrary prevails otherwise. that's not the way I understand it, although I can understand your reasoning). My interpretation (given to me, coincidentally, by my pedantic Latin teacher, who was well versed in Cicero) is that in order to test (prove) a rule, you must use exceptions - in other words, exceptions test rules. If the rule says You can't come into this nightclub wearing trainers - that is, you can wear anyone footwear *except* trainers - and everybody who tries to get in is wearing glass court shoes, you haven't tested the rule. Trainers are the exception, so to test (prove) the rule someone has to try to get in wearing them. This principle works as well in software testing as it does in nocturnal doormanship. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Watching My Carb
I like selective desaturation and I like your shot here, but I'd really like to see a picture of Debbie's motorcycle. Is Debbie your wife? Cheers, Christine On Jan 21, 2012, at 6:52 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: My current workbench project: http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_3zgwM8#!i=1680803911k=gQw34Hglb=1s=O This is the carburetor to Debbie's motorcycle. I'm trying to clean it without humiliating myself, but I am currently being balked by at least 7 frozen screws. Anyway, I took this shot but hated the colors of the bench and wasn't thrilled with the BW version, so I tried selective desaturation. Notice that when confronted with a true mechanical problem, I take a picture of it and re-read Pirsig's essay on stuckness. More practically, I've order an impact driver from Lisle. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Changing focusing screen om Pentax 67II?
I did change the screen - no problem - in my Pentax 67II. But the screen came without the black frame. So I had to exchange the old one with the new Plit Field Screen. The creens are very easy an convenient to change if it comes in a frame. Is it possible to get empty frames or frames with a screen? Regards Jens -- Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. On Jan 14, 2012 22:20 Jens p...@planfoto.dk wrote: I wonder if someone has a good link showing how to change focusing screen on at Petnax 67II.(Found a really nice Pentax 67II for 1000 USD, which had been sitting on a shelf since 2004. Works like a dream. Managet to get a split field screen for it at ebay for just 168USD :-) Now I need to know how to mount it properly :-) Scans: Doing medium format sucessfully comes down to getting good scans. I forun a German company using Nikon Coolscan 9000 (Scan-Studio.de). Not too bad really - @ appr. 10USD pr. frame :-) http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157628822438061/ Regards Jens -- Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PAW--Week 3--Tom
Thanks, Dan! cheers, Christine On Jan 21, 2012, at 6:54 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: He looks quite surprised. It is a very fine portrait. Dan Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: That's a perfect portfolio/composite shot for him, Christine, if he is still making rounds :-) ann On 1/21/2012 01:53, Christine Aguila wrote: Our beloved colleague, Tom, theater professor extraordinaire!!! Cheers, Christine http://aguilapaw.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: help! I upgraded Firefox and now... FIXED!
On 1/22/2012 01:24, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com: just reinstalled the old firefox - 3.6.25 over the new one... no more problem phew! I didn't ignore your previous post but as I had no useful advice to offer I just thought it best to keep quiet. Aw, Didn't think that for a minute - got upset out of proportion as it was on top of other worrisome stuff. Glad you managed to fix it yourself. I've opted out of this continual upgrade cycle that infects Firefox (and Thunderbird) lately, especially as each upgrade seems to break some add-ons. I'm still using Firefox 4.0.1 and while it still works, I'm staying with it. It had not occured to me at first that I could pretend 3.6.25 was new and I would not have to uninstall 9.0 to reinstall 3.6.25 9.0 sucks in a bunch of ways. apparently it's upgrades have a lot to do with being able to use it on hand-held devices of which i have none. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RE franklin bridge
Thanks, Don! As I said to Jack, my viewfinder and my glasses were so fogged up I couldn't see much, so this is a result of a guess. I'll be sure to guess better next time :-) Cheers, Christine On Jan 21, 2012, at 2:22 PM, Don Guthrie wrote: Christine It looks like a snow foggy day in Chicago town. I like the buildings so dim in the background. Next time measure the bridge to make sure you have it centered. On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Christine Aguila wrote: Here's what I walked into yesterday! Cheers, Christine http://www.caguila.com/frankbridge -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
question for Don Guthrie
Did you have a post of a snow shot on a posterous blog? I was trying to view that shot (I think) but couldn't and now I can't find the email and link. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: my snow post
Nice! Great light! Cheers, Christine On Jan 21, 2012, at 2:27 PM, Don Guthrie wrote: It finally snowed here yesterday. That reminded me I had not posted some pictures from the 1st storm last Fall. Herewith please view my post of posts and snow. Happy to hear any reactions. http://donspix.posterous.com/a-taste-of-winter-posts-and-snow-photo -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: help! I upgraded Firefox and now... FIXED!
On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:24:18 +1100 Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: I'm still using Firefox 4.0.1 and while it still works, I'm staying with it. they have gotten very generous with whole numbers I am off at 9.0.1 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Black and White Conversions - Cheat Sheet
Thanks, Brian! I don't have Photoshop, but it was good to see all those images side by side, so thanks for that. Cheers, Christine On Jan 7, 2012, at 10:52 PM, Brian Walters wrote: G'day all While browsing around the web looking for tips on BW conversion, I came across this Cheat Sheet which allows you to quickly see the effects of various conversion options on a particular image. http://www.diyphotography.net/black-white-cheatsheet-for-photoshop It looks useful but the instructions are a bit cryptic so this is how I've been using it. Note that it's for Photoshop CS3 (and presumably later). 1. Download the cheat sheet PSD file from the link above. 2. Open the image you want to convert and resize to 2500 pixels wide (not 1500 as indicated on that page) 3. Copy that image to the clipboard and then discard it (obviously don't save it over the top of the original image). 4. Open the cheat sheet PSD and double click the top 'Original' layer icon. This will open a new image window with a large 'X' 5. Paste your image into that window, flatten and then close the window. Select 'Yes' when asked to save - it just saves it to a temp directory and it can be discarded later. 6. Photoshop will now churn through a series of different conversions that you can compare. If you want to, you can open the 'top', mid' and 'bottom' layers and tweak the various settings to check the effect. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Sailor's Delight
Wow! What a sky! Cheers, Christine On Jan 21, 2012, at 6:12 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Red sky in the morning, sailor take warning; red sky at night, sailor's delight. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15026340 This was the view behind our condo unit in Maui the other evening. Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: PAW-1
What Cory said, but the splash of red and the design of the carpet bring a nice tapestry quality to the photo. Great cat shot. Gosh, did I just write that? :-) cheers, Christine On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Cory Waters wrote: HAR! Could do with ever-so-slightly more DOF. Nice cat though. Cory On 1/21/2012 8:24 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: I keep hearing about PAWs, and I have some fine images from those who follow that discipline, but nary a paw! So here is one for you. http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/h1C93A4BE#h1c93a4be stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO it snowed finally
Thanks, Ralf, Paul, Stan, Dave, Toine, and Dave B! Cheers, Christine On Jan 21, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Here's what I walked into yesterday! Cheers, Christine http://www.caguila.com/frankbridge Nice one and a funny coincidence. We've also seen the first snow this winter, yesterday afternoon. Walked into a restaurant for a somewhat late lunch, while everything was green outside, raining with a few snow flakes. Came out a mere half hour later into a winter fairy scene. Didn't last long, though. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Long enablement
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Re: More: PESO 2012 - 006 (008, 009) - GDG
All very nice. And the polar bear shot is cleverly composed. Cheers, Christine On Jan 21, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote: New work with the new camera: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6737942645/lightbox/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6737942645/ Oh yeah ... the traditional self portrait with new camera in mirror and pets. But I don't have any cats ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6738563787/lightbox/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6738563605/lightbox/ enjoy G -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RE franklin bridge
Christine, I like that shot! I especially like the sharp details of the bridge versus the foggy hulks in the background. Friday was a bad day for travel. We got 1/2 hour into a trip to Iowa and turned around. Our #1 son spent more time riding home from O'Hare than he did flying in from Salt Lake City. A bad day to miss your stop on the 'L'. ;-) Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote: Christine It looks like a snow foggy day in Chicago town. I like the buildings so dim in the background. Next time measure the bridge to make sure you have it centered. On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Christine Aguila wrote: Here's what I walked into yesterday! Cheers, Christine http://www.caguila.com/frankbridge -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG - Uploading of High Resolution Old Images
I only recently began submitting a few more pics to PPG after taking several years off. However, I really didn't like those 600- pixel-tall images being upsized to 900-pixel-tall images by who knows what method. I looked at some and could see degradation. So rather than delete them all, I made new jpegs from the original hi-res images and uploaded them. Of course, I had only placed about 35 images prior to the site redesign. If I had 100, I might have said to hell with it and taken them down. Paul On Jan 22, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Jack Davis wrote: My assumption as well, Bong. I'm just too lazy to undertake said conversions. I did review a couple of my favorites and decided they'll do as is. Jack From: Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:52 AM Subject: Re: PPG - Uploading of High Resolution Old Images On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:08 PM, apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: G'day all Just browsing my PPG account and I see a notification which states: For a limited time only, Photo Gallery users will be able to update images uploaded before the new redesign to a higher resolution. More info to come shortly! This is good news because those early images look quite soft when viewed on larger monitors. Just noticed that photos in the pending (new photos) are taking long to be accepted...I guess everyone is preoccupied with upgrading their old photos no one is voting... Bong :-) -- Bong Manayon http://bong.manayon.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: my snow post
Don, Well done, a very pretty picture! The posts that don't line up are great. Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote: It finally snowed here yesterday. That reminded me I had not posted some pictures from the 1st storm last Fall. Herewith please view my post of posts and snow. Happy to hear any reactions. http://donspix.posterous.com/a-taste-of-winter-posts-and-snow-photo -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Sailor's Delight
Dan, It's a tough job, but I guess somebody has got to go out to those condos in Maui. :-) Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Red sky in the morning, sailor take warning; red sky at night, sailor's delight. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15026340 This was the view behind our condo unit in Maui the other evening. Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Photography for Kids?
Sorry if I've said this before. Something I've learned from my students is the typical viewpoint on how things work. For many people, the concept of focus is limited to the whole picture being fuzzy or sharp. Think of focusing a movie projector. The image is either sharp or it isn't. The idea of selective focus isn't even in their mental model of the world. Given that, teaching someone how to focus or how to select between spot focus and area focus is fairly meaningless. The concept of controlling depth of field us pretty tough without selective focus. At the first session, I ask people to watch a tv show or a movie and watch how the director uses light and focus to draw the viewers attention to or away from action on the screen. The next session's discussion almost always starts with someone saying that they had never noticed any of that before. When you're describing things to the general public, I've found that you have to start by describing the artistic effects that can be achieved and WHY you might want to achieve them. Then describe how those things can be done technically. Exposure, depth of field, etc. All of these things are just means to the end of making a picture and guiding the viewer's eye through that picture. GS George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On 1/21/2012 5:40 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: This is late and probably nobody cares anymore, but I have to say my piece or I'll fidget. Larry and a few others suggest using film cameras in a beginners course on photography. I think this is crazy and here's my analogy: it's like giving a beginning writing course and requiring everyone to show up with an old mechanical Underwood typewriter, then learn how to thread the ribbon and apply white-out. If I go to a basic writing course, I'm there to learn how to write. Not how to work an obsolete typewriter. I want to learn how to tell a better story using words. If I go to a basic photography course I want to learn how to tell a better story using images. Okay, I can sleep now. You make some good points. And I should explain my reasons. I suggested using a film camera for one day, not for the whole course. First and foremost, there is something very cool, about taking a photo, developing the film, and seeing and having the tangible evidence in your hands. I suppose that a lot of this could be done using photo paper and contact prints. Or for that matter, photo paper and a pin hole camera that they made themselves. Then possibly contact prints by placing the paper negative face to face with another piece of photo paper. I also suggested looking at the negatives, and using those as a way of understanding exposure. I think that using film, and explicitly thinking about each step of the process would do more to bring home the concepts than magic handwaving and a camera that does everything for you. As to your typewriter analogy, I would not require people to use a typewriter in a creative writing class. However, I might well have them write and maybe even do the first edit of a piece long hand. Writing things out long hand slows you down, and forces you to think about each and every word. It also discourages verbal diarrhea, since it takes so much more effort to write. In the same vein, shooting with a completely manual camera forces you to look at each step of the process, think about it and correct any errors earlier. But, my main reason for suggesting spending a day with physical photography rather than going right into digital, is because it would be cool and fun. In retrospect, contact prints, or possibly contact prints and pinhole cameras would likely work even better, if for no other reason than the skill required to roll film onto the developing reels. It would probably be fairly easy to make the equivalent of an enlarger for contact prints out of a clamp light, and some cardboard and aluminum foil so that one student could expose their contact print and not everyone else's at the same time too. On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote: On Jan 14, 2012, at 8:01 AM, Christine Nielsen wrote: Thus far, this is what I'm assuming: - Kids aged 9 up... maybe even a 9-12 group, and a 13 up? - Mostly p s cameras, esp with younger kids - Composition getting greater emphasis than ins out of exposure - we'll deal in Auto modes - Teaching practical applications... finding good light, how to photograph your friends, your pet, sports, landscapes, your vacation, macro, etc... - Keep it fun... a photo scavenger hunt? a website they can post pics/contribute to? A day in the life, or other photo projects..? - Maybe 4 - 6 classes, 90 mins each What do you think? Anyone out there ever done this sort of thing, or have any good resources to share? I'd be
Re: Photography on/from an aircraft - interesting rules on United
Wasn't there a viral video where a passenger showed the baggage handlers bouncing his guitar around? I think one of the airlines got a lot of embarrassing publicity out of that. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 1:08 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: Hi All, I thought this might be of interest to some PDMLers. Almost every time when I fly, I try to choose a window seat that is good for taking photographs. Prior to this I've never seen any rules governing taking photographs on/from the plane, except for those posted by airlines in Russia. (Photography on an airplane in the Soviet Union was strictly prohibited. Strictly speaking the rules still forbid it, but today's rules are not as strictly enforced.) Today I found: http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6867,1036,00.html Onboard photography and video policy The use of still and video cameras, film or digital, including any cellular or other devices that have this capability, is permitted only for recording of personal events. However, photography, audio, or video recording of other customers without their express prior consent is strictly prohibited. Also, unauthorized photography, audio, or video recording of airline personnel, aircraft equipment, or procedures is always prohibited. Any voice, audio, video, or other photography (motion or still), recording, or transmission while on any United Airlines aircraft is strictly prohibited, except to the extent specifically permitted by United Airlines. What about taking photos of things outside the aircract? I suspect, that it is prohibited by the last sentence: Any voice, audio, video, or other photography (motion or still), recording, or transmission while on any United Airlines aircraft is strictly prohibited This is the first time I see any explicit policy with respect to photography on an airplane in the US (or Europe outside of Russia). Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Peso bird of paradise
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15030773 Kay's 89th birthday last night, and this is a shot of the flowers her hubby bought her. D200, 18-70 Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Long enablement
The M*300 in some way's is nicer, despite not having the A contacts. I have one of each and I'd sell the M if I could get a good price for it, but it would hurt. On 1/22/2012 10:54 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: when I first got my A*300/4, I couldn't believe how small it was. Great optics too. I'll never sell mine. -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Join the CD PLAYER DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Photography for Kids?
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of George Sinos Sorry if I've said this before. Something I've learned from my students is the typical viewpoint on how things work. For many people, the concept of focus is limited to the whole picture being fuzzy or sharp. Think of focusing a movie projector. The image is either sharp or it isn't. The idea of selective focus isn't even in their mental model of the world. My experience is completely the opposite. Most people I've discussed this with are very aware of out of focus backgrounds, but don't know how to achieve them. When I had the Contax / Zeiss equipment on of the things that really drew people's attention was the quality of the out-of-focus bacground. On the other hand, they don't notice deep focus. For example, in discussing cinema they will be completely unaware of how Orson Welles, for example, used depth of field in Citizen Kane. B Given that, teaching someone how to focus or how to select between spot focus and area focus is fairly meaningless. The concept of controlling depth of field us pretty tough without selective focus. At the first session, I ask people to watch a tv show or a movie and watch how the director uses light and focus to draw the viewers attention to or away from action on the screen. The next session's discussion almost always starts with someone saying that they had never noticed any of that before. When you're describing things to the general public, I've found that you have to start by describing the artistic effects that can be achieved and WHY you might want to achieve them. Then describe how those things can be done technically. Exposure, depth of field, etc. All of these things are just means to the end of making a picture and guiding the viewer's eye through that picture. GS -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Long enablement
on 2012-01-22 05:42 Collin Brendemuehl wrote I was also wondering ... if I aligned a laser at the back end, would it/could it be even more precise when it got to its target (like the moon)? i think it would be much less precise -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Photography for Kids?
Bob, I've got to disagree. I think most people don't know depth of field. Most folks 'see' everything in-focus and never think about another option. When you take a picture and part of it is blurry and part in-focus, they can't imagine why. The world is an Ansel Adams landscape... Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of George Sinos Sorry if I've said this before. Something I've learned from my students is the typical viewpoint on how things work. For many people, the concept of focus is limited to the whole picture being fuzzy or sharp. Think of focusing a movie projector. The image is either sharp or it isn't. The idea of selective focus isn't even in their mental model of the world. My experience is completely the opposite. Most people I've discussed this with are very aware of out of focus backgrounds, but don't know how to achieve them. When I had the Contax / Zeiss equipment on of the things that really drew people's attention was the quality of the out-of-focus bacground. On the other hand, they don't notice deep focus. For example, in discussing cinema they will be completely unaware of how Orson Welles, for example, used depth of field in Citizen Kane. B Given that, teaching someone how to focus or how to select between spot focus and area focus is fairly meaningless. The concept of controlling depth of field us pretty tough without selective focus. At the first session, I ask people to watch a tv show or a movie and watch how the director uses light and focus to draw the viewers attention to or away from action on the screen. The next session's discussion almost always starts with someone saying that they had never noticed any of that before. When you're describing things to the general public, I've found that you have to start by describing the artistic effects that can be achieved and WHY you might want to achieve them. Then describe how those things can be done technically. Exposure, depth of field, etc. All of these things are just means to the end of making a picture and guiding the viewer's eye through that picture. GS -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Sailor's Delight
Thanks, David and Christine. That is the real color I saw in the sky. It is enhanced by vog, volcanic dust and gases that floats in from the Big Island of Hawai'i, where Kilauea is constantly active. Normally, the trade winds (from the Northeast) keep the vog away from Maui, but a storm north of the islands produced three days of Kona (leeward) winds from the south, bringing the pollutants to Maui. It is not very noticeable during the day -- a little haze, perhaps -- but really affects the color and intensity of sunsets here on Maui's west coast. The wind pattern is back to normal, and sunsets the last two evenings were fairly boring (but still pleasant). Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Wow! What a sky! Cheers, Christine On Jan 21, 2012, at 6:12 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Red sky in the morning, sailor take warning; red sky at night, sailor's delight. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15026340 This was the view behind our condo unit in Maui the other evening. Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photography on/from an aircraft - interesting rules on United
I suspect you are referring to this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo It made a big resonance in the news and everywhere ( and even from Bob Taylor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n12WFZq2__0 ) - but it is not the actual video reportage about the handlers. Personally, I don't care too much about photographing the personnel (although I was tempted to do that on Singapore Air), - but primarily about photographing views: interesting clouds and the ground scenes during landing/takeoff. Igor Sun Jan 22 11:43:47 EST 2012 George Sinos wrote: Wasn't there a viral video where a passenger showed the baggage handlers bouncing his guitar around? I think one of the airlines got a lot of embarrassing publicity out of that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Sailor's Delight
Well, Bob, I'm suffering for the sake of my wife. G She retired about a year and a half ago, after 38 years of teaching high school science. We came here last year for a month, and this year for 5 weeks, to get out of the cold and snow of the Northeast US, but next year we will visit for a shorter time, because of our new Malamute back home. Actually, most of the folks here in Maui are from the Canadian West. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Dan, It's a tough job, but I guess somebody has got to go out to those condos in Maui. :-) Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Sailor's Delight
Dan, It sure looks inviting as the squirrels at my house are trying to navigate thru 7 inches of fluffy snow. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Well, Bob, I'm suffering for the sake of my wife. G She retired about a year and a half ago, after 38 years of teaching high school science. We came here last year for a month, and this year for 5 weeks, to get out of the cold and snow of the Northeast US, but next year we will visit for a shorter time, because of our new Malamute back home. Actually, most of the folks here in Maui are from the Canadian West. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Dan, It's a tough job, but I guess somebody has got to go out to those condos in Maui. :-) Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Photography for Kids?
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Bob, I've got to disagree. I think most people don't know depth of field. Most folks 'see' everything in-focus and never think about another option. When you take a picture and part of it is blurry and part in-focus, they can't imagine why. ? That's what I said! B The world is an Ansel Adams landscape... Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of George Sinos Sorry if I've said this before. Something I've learned from my students is the typical viewpoint on how things work. For many people, the concept of focus is limited to the whole picture being fuzzy or sharp. Think of focusing a movie projector. The image is either sharp or it isn't. The idea of selective focus isn't even in their mental model of the world. My experience is completely the opposite. Most people I've discussed this with are very aware of out of focus backgrounds, but don't know how to achieve them. When I had the Contax / Zeiss equipment on of the things that really drew people's attention was the quality of the out-of-focus bacground. On the other hand, they don't notice deep focus. For example, in discussing cinema they will be completely unaware of how Orson Welles, for example, used depth of field in Citizen Kane. B Given that, teaching someone how to focus or how to select between spot focus and area focus is fairly meaningless. The concept of controlling depth of field us pretty tough without selective focus. At the first session, I ask people to watch a tv show or a movie and watch how the director uses light and focus to draw the viewers attention to or away from action on the screen. The next session's discussion almost always starts with someone saying that they had never noticed any of that before. When you're describing things to the general public, I've found that you have to start by describing the artistic effects that can be achieved and WHY you might want to achieve them. Then describe how those things can be done technically. Exposure, depth of field, etc. All of these things are just means to the end of making a picture and guiding the viewer's eye through that picture. GS -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Grounded Cruise Ship
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15031173 Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Long enablement
what does the M* have that's nicer than the A* ? -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Join the CD PLAYER DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:01 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Long enablement The M*300 in some way's is nicer, despite not having the A contacts. I have one of each and I'd sell the M if I could get a good price for it, but it would hurt. On 1/22/2012 10:54 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: when I first got my A*300/4, I couldn't believe how small it was. Great optics too. I'll never sell mine. -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Join the CD PLAYER DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Sailor's Delight
According to today's paper, New Jersey received a few inches of snow yesterday. Here, it was sunny and 80 F, with a mild breeze. I spent all morning yesterday snorkeling at one of my favorite beaches. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Dan, It sure looks inviting as the squirrels at my house are trying to navigate thru 7 inches of fluffy snow. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Well, Bob, I'm suffering for the sake of my wife. G She retired about a year and a half ago, after 38 years of teaching high school science. We came here last year for a month, and this year for 5 weeks, to get out of the cold and snow of the Northeast US, but next year we will visit for a shorter time, because of our new Malamute back home. Actually, most of the folks here in Maui are from the Canadian West. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Dan, It's a tough job, but I guess somebody has got to go out to those condos in Maui. :-) Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso bird of paradise
Very nice. I have taken quite a few images of bird of paradise flowers (which are grown all over here in Maui), but none were that effective. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:56 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15030773 Kay's 89th birthday last night, and this is a shot of the flowers her hubby bought her. D200, 18-70 Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: PAW-1
Actually, two paws. Nice animal portrait there. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: I keep hearing about PAWs, and I have some fine images from those who follow that discipline, but nary a paw! So here is one for you. http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/h1C93A4BE#h1c93a4be stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: help! I upgraded Firefox and now... FIXED!
Ann Sanfedele wrote: 9.0 sucks in a bunch of ways. apparently it's upgrades have a lot to do with being able to use it on hand-held devices of which i have none. Unfortunately (because you are a photographer) 9.0 is very superior to 3.6 in that it recognizes version 4 ICC profiles (version 3.5 - 7 don't). -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Wanted: *ist D body
I'm in the market for an *ist D body. I'd also consider a DS or DS2, but I think I prefer the plain ol' D. If anyone has one that they'd like to see go to a good home, drop me the particulars. Thanks. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Photography for Kids?
Totally agree. I'd suggest the emphasis be put on composition and what its all about - isolate, simplify define. In further, more advanced classes would be the time to get into some technical aspects of photography - exposure the basics on non auto exposure - the effects of aperature, shuitter speed spot metering etc. Imo film might be referenced as the way it use to be. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Photography for Kids? This is late and probably nobody cares anymore, but I have to say my piece or I'll fidget. Larry and a few others suggest using film cameras in a beginners course on photography. I think this is crazy and here's my analogy: it's like giving a beginning writing course and requiring everyone to show up with an old mechanical Underwood typewriter, then learn how to thread the ribbon and apply white-out. If I go to a basic writing course, I'm there to learn how to write. Not how to work an obsolete typewriter. I want to learn how to tell a better story using words. If I go to a basic photography course I want to learn how to tell a better story using images. Okay, I can sleep now. On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Jan 14, 2012, at 8:01 AM, Christine Nielsen wrote: Thus far, this is what I'm assuming: - Kids aged 9 up... maybe even a 9-12 group, and a 13 up? - Mostly p s cameras, esp with younger kids - Composition getting greater emphasis than ins out of exposure - we'll deal in Auto modes - Teaching practical applications... finding good light, how to photograph your friends, your pet, sports, landscapes, your vacation, macro, etc... - Keep it fun... a photo scavenger hunt? a website they can post pics/contribute to? A day in the life, or other photo projects..? - Maybe 4 - 6 classes, 90 mins each What do you think? Anyone out there ever done this sort of thing, or have any good resources to share? I'd be most grateful... I doubt that I'm the only one on this list that learned photography at age 12 using a fully manual camera, and processed my own film in a darkroom. Don't underestimate the ability of younger people to understand things like exposure. For a young kids class, I'd teach them: how to hold the camera How to look for good light: not shooting into the light not mixing sun and shade enough light how to use zoom, how to wait for focus How to put the camera on a tripod (or a beanbag) and use the self timer don't aim directly at a window with the flash extra credit fill flash composition As a matter of fact, that's pretty much the stuff I'd teach people who don't want to learn photography, but want to take pictures. For general photography I'd suggest: All ages, kids under 12 by special permission. This way parents and kids could do it together. Adults only I'd ask around for people with developing tanks, changing bags, old 35 mm cameras and light meters collecting dust. Day1: I'd cover the basics in the above class. Homework, go and play with cameras Day 2: I'd teach them the basics of exposure, using the histogram to illustrate. I'd then show them how to use a lightmeter (internal or external) then give them each a roll of Tri-X and a camera/lightmeter, and show them how to load/unload the camera and give them until the next class session to shoot the film Day 3: Process the film and look at it. In many ways, they'd learn as much just taking a roll of C41 BW to walgreens, but I think that processing the film would be a lot of fun. I'm specifically avoiding color film if we're talking exposure. Day 4: scan the negatives look at the results on a computer, and discuss. Review using the histogram, how to set exposure and when to use auto or manual exposure. Assignment, take pictures using both manual and auto exposure Day 5: review digital exposure homework. teach depth of field, manual focus, auto focus, and when to use tripods to stop down and get more depth of field at slower shutter speeds. Day 6: color balance, grey cards, raw versus jpeg I don't care for the holga idea, it may be fun, but not as instructional on a base level -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PAW-1
Nice capture, but I'd pefer a less busy background. Looks like a big cat - Maine Coon? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info Subject: PESO: PAW-1 I keep hearing about PAWs, and I have some fine images from those who follow that discipline, but nary a paw! So here is one for you. http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/h1C93A4BE#h1c93a4be stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: PAW-1
Would you say it was Paw-fect ? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Jeffery Johnson jefferytjohn...@bellsouth.net Subject: RE: PESO: PAW-1 Very nice Paw capture... Photo Captures by Jeffery http://www.photocapturesbyjeffery.com -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Stan Halpin Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 7:24 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO: PAW-1 I keep hearing about PAWs, and I have some fine images from those who follow that discipline, but nary a paw! So here is one for you. http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/h1C93A4BE#h1c93a4be stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: help! I upgraded Firefox and now... FIXED!
On 1/22/2012 13:54, Mark Roberts wrote: Ann Sanfedele wrote: 9.0 sucks in a bunch of ways. apparently it's upgrades have a lot to do with being able to use it on hand-held devices of which i have none. Unfortunately (because you are a photographer) 9.0 is very superior to 3.6 in that it recognizes version 4 ICC profiles (version 3.5 - 7 don't). I _don't think_ I care about that - if it is only affecting my view of things on the web - my eyes aren't good enough to notice. It isn't just the mess it made of my leisure/social activities - the whole design was irritating. I'm happily back to the earlier version... BTW version 4 of what? photoshop? lightroom? other? ann the eclecticly unsavvy photog -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs
I'd like to know the price tag :-) Since its a rumor, make it anything you want ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Jens p...@planfoto.dk Subject: Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs Hello list I'd like to know the price tag :-) Regards Jens -- Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. On Jan 21, 2012 06:23 Bipin Gupta bip...@gmail.com wrote: Hello John, surely you have lenses (6) inches or smaller, being a seasoned Pentaxian. Why can't you go in to this event with the K-5 Body and lens(es) in separate bags. I have done this many times - body in my coat pocket and lens(es) in a carry on bag. Surely the K-5 is a mighty midget compared to many other cameras. Give it a try old chap. Regards. Bipin. As for the Pentax EVIL rumour, why would one buy a K-5 like speced camera when the K-5 is pretty small itself. See no fun in using an electronic viewfinder, if it has one. Lenses and compatibility w/o an AF adapter still remains a big mystery, even though the rumour says K-mount. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: help! I upgraded Firefox and now... FIXED!
Ann Sanfedele wrote: On 1/22/2012 13:54, Mark Roberts wrote: Ann Sanfedele wrote: 9.0 sucks in a bunch of ways. apparently it's upgrades have a lot to do with being able to use it on hand-held devices of which i have none. Unfortunately (because you are a photographer) 9.0 is very superior to 3.6 in that it recognizes version 4 ICC profiles (version 3.5 - 7 don't). I _don't think_ I care about that - if it is only affecting my view of things on the web - my eyes aren't good enough to notice. It isn't just the mess it made of my leisure/social activities - the whole design was irritating. I'm happily back to the earlier version... BTW version 4 of what? photoshop? lightroom? other? Version 4 of the ICC color profile standard. http://www.color.org/version4html.xalter -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Long enablement
Slightly better fit and finish, metal aperture ring, (as opposed to plastic, though the A*'s ring is very well made plastic), cosmetics like an original K, (chrome accent rings and K/M style rubberized focusing ring. Metal cutout for the focus scale). Most important metal aperture blades. On 1/22/2012 1:25 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: what does the M* have that's nicer than the A* ? -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Join the CD PLAYER DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:01 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Long enablement The M*300 in some way's is nicer, despite not having the A contacts. I have one of each and I'd sell the M if I could get a good price for it, but it would hurt. On 1/22/2012 10:54 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: when I first got my A*300/4, I couldn't believe how small it was. Great optics too. I'll never sell mine. -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Join the CD PLAYER DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Grounded Cruise Ship
On 1/22/2012 1:23 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15031173 Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola Cruising where, the Mekong Delta? -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Long enablement
Forgot, because it has the K/M focus scale cutout, it also has knurled grip surfaces for mounting and unmounting. On 1/22/2012 2:33 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Slightly better fit and finish, metal aperture ring, (as opposed to plastic, though the A*'s ring is very well made plastic), cosmetics like an original K, (chrome accent rings and K/M style rubberized focusing ring. Metal cutout for the focus scale). Most important metal aperture blades. On 1/22/2012 1:25 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: what does the M* have that's nicer than the A* ? -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Join the CD PLAYER DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:01 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Long enablement The M*300 in some way's is nicer, despite not having the A contacts. I have one of each and I'd sell the M if I could get a good price for it, but it would hurt. On 1/22/2012 10:54 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: when I first got my A*300/4, I couldn't believe how small it was. Great optics too. I'll never sell mine. -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Join the CD PLAYER DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso bird of paradise
I hope it didn't fly up your nose. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com Subject: Peso bird of paradise http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15030773 Kay's 89th birthday last night, and this is a shot of the flowers her hubby bought her. D200, 18-70 Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Grounded Cruise Ship
Looks like an old naval landing craft. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PESO: Grounded Cruise Ship On 1/22/2012 1:23 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15031173 Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola Cruising where, the Mekong Delta? -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Long enablement
thanks for the reply, I wasn't aware there were so many differences, it's a shame the M* version doesn't do A. -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Join the CD PLAYER DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 2:47 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Long enablement Forgot, because it has the K/M focus scale cutout, it also has knurled grip surfaces for mounting and unmounting. On 1/22/2012 2:33 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Slightly better fit and finish, metal aperture ring, (as opposed to plastic, though the A*'s ring is very well made plastic), cosmetics like an original K, (chrome accent rings and K/M style rubberized focusing ring. Metal cutout for the focus scale). Most important metal aperture blades. On 1/22/2012 1:25 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: what does the M* have that's nicer than the A* ? -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Join the CD PLAYER DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:01 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Long enablement The M*300 in some way's is nicer, despite not having the A contacts. I have one of each and I'd sell the M if I could get a good price for it, but it would hurt. On 1/22/2012 10:54 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: when I first got my A*300/4, I couldn't believe how small it was. Great optics too. I'll never sell mine. -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Join the CD PLAYER DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
All you WORK are belong to us! (Apple)
Apple's license (EULA) forbids you from distributing your work created using Apple software. While the software discussed is not the one for photography, but for writing/publishing (iBooks Author), this can create a precedence. Read more about it here: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/apples-mind-bogglingly-greedy-and-evil-license-agreement/4360?tag=nl.e589 http://venomousporridge.com/post/16126436616/ibooks-author-eula-audacity Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG - Uploading of High Resolution Old Images
Quoting Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: My assumption as well, Bong. I'm just too lazy to undertake said conversions. I did review a couple of my favorites and decided they'll do as is. Yeah, it is quite a bit of work but looking at those earlier images on a largish monitor is sufficiently disappointing that I've decided to upgrade mine. The PPG team must be putting a lot of time into this - The ones I've upgraded so far have all been approved overnight. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Jack From: Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:52 AM Subject: Re: PPG - Uploading of High Resolution Old Images On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:08 PM,nbsp; apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: G'day all Just browsing my PPG account and I see a notification which states: For a limited time only, Photo Gallery users will be able to update images uploaded before the new redesign to a higher resolution. More info to come shortly! This is good news because those early images look quite soft when viewed on larger monitors. Just noticed that photos in the pending (new photos) are taking long to be accepted...I guess everyone is preoccupied with upgrading their old photos no one is voting... Bong :-) -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: help! I upgraded Firefox and now...
From: Ann Sanfedele it killed all my Words with friends games on facebook (they may be still there somewhere) and Starting a game didnt work either. DIdn't occur to me the java stuff they said it was disabling was related anyone know how I can kick it back a notch? - this has really been my main entertainment lately - Got games going with friends across the big pond, and my friend in Boston... ann I think plug-ins incompatible with the new version of Firefox are disabled when the update is installed. My experience is new, updated, compatible plug-ins become available within a few days of the Firefox update, so you may get your program back soon. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG - Uploading of High Resolution Old Images
On Jan 22, 2012, at 4:15 PM, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: My assumption as well, Bong. I'm just too lazy to undertake said conversions. I did review a couple of my favorites and decided they'll do as is. Yeah, it is quite a bit of work but looking at those earlier images on a largish monitor is sufficiently disappointing that I've decided to upgrade mine. The PPG team must be putting a lot of time into this - The ones I've upgraded so far have all been approved overnight. I upgraded some on Thursday afternoon, and they were approved within minutes.Those I did after 5 PM or so were approved overnight. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Jack From: Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:52 AM Subject: Re: PPG - Uploading of High Resolution Old Images On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:08 PM,nbsp; apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: G'day all Just browsing my PPG account and I see a notification which states: For a limited time only, Photo Gallery users will be able to update images uploaded before the new redesign to a higher resolution. More info to come shortly! This is good news because those early images look quite soft when viewed on larger monitors. Just noticed that photos in the pending (new photos) are taking long to be accepted...I guess everyone is preoccupied with upgrading their old photos no one is voting... Bong :-) -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Grounded Cruise Ship
Quoting Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15031173 Comments are invited. I'll see your grounded 'cruise ship' and raise you this one http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/images/IMGP5916ax.jpg -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PAW--Week 3--Tom
Quoting Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com: Our beloved colleague, Tom, theater professor extraordinaire!!! Cheers, Christine http://aguilapaw.posterous.com I suck at portraiture but I think I know what I like - and I like that very much. Especially his expression. Wonderful! If I could make a small suggestion - not that I really know what I'm talking about - but I'd like to see his left shoulder lightened slightly to separate it from the background a bit more - not much. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs
Quoting kwal...@peoplepc.com: I'd like to know the price tag :-) Since its a rumor, make it anything you want ! OK. I'd like it to be in K-r replacement territory (where I'm interested) rather than K-5 replacement territory (where I'm not). Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Jens p...@planfoto.dk Subject: Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs Hello list I'd like to know the price tag :-) Regards Jens -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso bird of paradise
Looks to be painful if it did. On 1/22/2012 2:49 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I hope it didn't fly up your nose. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com Subject: Peso bird of paradise http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15030773 Kay's 89th birthday last night, and this is a shot of the flowers her hubby bought her. D200, 18-70 Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: All you WORK are belong to us! (Apple)
I don't see this as a big issue. Blurb gives me free software to layout books to print/sell via Blurb. I can't use that software to print in any other way, even on my own printer. (Well, I can print, but with a big Blurb watermark on every page.) Anybody that doesn't want to print/sell exclusively via Blurb can find some other software to use. Apple offers free software to layout/distribute books via the Apple store. Anybody that doesn't want to sell exclusively via Apple can find some other software to use. Ho hum; no evil empire. stan On Jan 22, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Apple's license (EULA) forbids you from distributing your work created using Apple software. While the software discussed is not the one for photography, but for writing/publishing (iBooks Author), this can create a precedence. Read more about it here: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/apples-mind-bogglingly-greedy-and-evil-license-agreement/4360?tag=nl.e589 http://venomousporridge.com/post/16126436616/ibooks-author-eula-audacity -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Teeth
Quoting Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com: From my occasional On My Way to Work series: this sculpture adorns an utterly un-picturesque walkway on the Penn medical center campus. nbsp; http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14993317size=lg (K-7, FA 24-90) nbsp; Viewers are cordially invited to comment. Thank you. I shall... A colourful image with a lot of impact but the brick wall in the background spoils the effect for me. I don't suppose there's any way of avoiding it with a different viewing angle? -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PAW-1
Thanks Ken. I like the rich tones in the carpet but I understand your comment about it being busy. Actually, this is a youngish kitten. Oh!No! is a 4 month female. Meg looked out one morning and saw that Bete Noir, one of our partially tame feral cats, had left a kitten for us to appreciate. Hence Oh!No! (We had an appointment the previous week to have Bete Noir spayed, but couldn't catch her.) Oh!No! has two black litter mates, Darrel and Darrel, one of which, like Oh!No!, is now a full-time indoor cat except when they go outside to visit with mother and other family members. If you would like one, I can arrange transportation . . . We have a largish Maine Coon in the house; I'll try and get Oh!No! and the big guy in the same shot for size comparison. stan On Jan 22, 2012, at 2:20 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Nice capture, but I'd pefer a less busy background. Looks like a big cat - Maine Coon? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info Subject: PESO: PAW-1 I keep hearing about PAWs, and I have some fine images from those who follow that discipline, but nary a paw! So here is one for you. http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/h1C93A4BE#h1c93a4be stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PAW107 - Travelling
http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html K-5, DA70mm, 1/100s, f/6.3, ISO100. DagT http://www.thrane.name/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: All you WORK are belong to us! (Apple)
So it's not quite an evil empire, it's a wanna be evil empire. On 1/22/2012 4:41 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: I don't see this as a big issue. Blurb gives me free software to layout books to print/sell via Blurb. I can't use that software to print in any other way, even on my own printer. (Well, I can print, but with a big Blurb watermark on every page.) Anybody that doesn't want to print/sell exclusively via Blurb can find some other software to use. Apple offers free software to layout/distribute books via the Apple store. Anybody that doesn't want to sell exclusively via Apple can find some other software to use. Ho hum; no evil empire. stan On Jan 22, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Apple's license (EULA) forbids you from distributing your work created using Apple software. While the software discussed is not the one for photography, but for writing/publishing (iBooks Author), this can create a precedence. Read more about it here: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/apples-mind-bogglingly-greedy-and-evil-license-agreement/4360?tag=nl.e589 http://venomousporridge.com/post/16126436616/ibooks-author-eula-audacity -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Eagles on the Mississippi
We finally made it to the Quad Cities yesterday after Friday's storm. We had some spare time and wandered up Rt 67 on the Iowa side of the river. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15032473 There were lots of photographers there with BIG, FAST lenses, tripods, and Wimberley heads. It's a 2 1/2 hour drive, but we'll go back. Sadly, I haven't got much longer lenses or a gimbal tripod mount. Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs
I want it be what I want, but I'll get what Ricoh want's to give me. I expect it like that less than what Pentax gave me which I was often unhappy with, though I was sometimes delighted. On 1/22/2012 4:31 PM, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting kwal...@peoplepc.com: I'd like to know the price tag :-) Since its a rumor, make it anything you want ! OK. I'd like it to be in K-r replacement territory (where I'm interested) rather than K-5 replacement territory (where I'm not). Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Jens p...@planfoto.dk Subject: Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs Hello list I'd like to know the price tag :-) Regards Jens -- -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PAW107 - Travelling
Damn, I still hate you. On 1/22/2012 5:06 PM, DagT wrote: http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html K-5, DA70mm, 1/100s, f/6.3, ISO100. DagT http://www.thrane.name/ -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: All you WORK are belong to us! (Apple)
Stan, This example is not a correct one. Nobody complains that a kitchen knife is not suitable to hammer nails, but nobody would forbid you using it for that purpose. But if you buy a hammer at the store (or get it as a freebie), - you are not going to read the instructions to see if you are not allowed to use that hammer for a paid job. While I clearly understand the motivation of Apple, but it is not the RIGHT WAY to implement the solution. If the software didn't have functionality except for submitting the books via Apple website, that would be one thing. i Stan, please read the second link, - it explains what the problems are. They are not in the fact that Apple restricts something but rather in _how_ they do that. Igor Sun Jan 22 16:41:15 EST 2012 Stan Halpin wrote: I don't see this as a big issue. Blurb gives me free software to layout books to print/sell via Blurb. I can't use that software to print in any other way, even on my own printer. (Well, I can print, but with a big Blurb watermark on every page.) Anybody that doesn't want to print/sell exclusively via Blurb can find some other software to use. Apple offers free software to layout/distribute books via the Apple store. Anybody that doesn't want to sell exclusively via Apple can find some other software to use. Ho hum; no evil empire. stan On Jan 22, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Apple's license (EULA) forbids you from distributing your work created using Apple software. While the software discussed is not the one for photography, but for writing/publishing (iBooks Author), this can create a precedence. Read more about it here: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/apples-mind-bogglingly-greedy-and-evil-license-agreement/4360?tag=nl.e589 http://venomousporridge.com/post/16126436616/ibooks-author-eula-audacity -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: More: PESO 2012 - 006 (008, 009) - GDG
From: Mark Roberts knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps this is the exception that proves the rule (that's actually one of the most stupid sayings ever) but yours works. Actually it's not a stupid expression, just a misunderstood one (and you, Frank, with your legal background, ought to know about it). It's a legal maxim that dates back to Rome - the famed orator Cicero is the first know reference. Basically, it means that the act of specifying an exception to a rule proves that such a rule exists even if said rule isn't explicitly stated. Here's a concrete example: In many states in the U.S. traffic law allows you to make a right turn at a red light (after coming to a stop). But not all states permit this, so the issue when traveling across country is determining whether the state you're in allows it. The presence of a sign that says No right turn on red is what you look for. The exception (the sign that says No right turn on red) proves the rule (that in general you *can* turn right on red). FWIW, according to the driver training syllabus provided by the Army Safety Center before I retired, right turn on red was the law in all 50 states. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photography on/from an aircraft - interesting rules on, United
From: George Sinos Wasn't there a viral video where a passenger showed the baggage handlers bouncing his guitar around? I think one of the airlines got a lot of embarrassing publicity out of that. gs Indeed, United Breaks Guitars. But it wasn't filmed on the aircraft at the time of the incident. He made the video after the event because United tried to screw him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Photography for Kids?
I believe I was the one who originally suggested starting them out with disposable film cameras. My reasoning was: . Low initial investment before the parents find out whether the kid is going to stick with photography; because ... . Kids lose stuff; . Simple controls - shutter winding wheel ( maybe a button to turn on the built in flash)- allow the emphasis to be on light composition. I expect that once you get them through the initial stages most of them are going to be using the cameras in their cell phones. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Photography for Kids?
I believe I was the one who originally suggested starting them out with disposable film cameras. My reasoning was: . Low initial investment before the parents find out whether the kid is going to stick with photography; because ... . Kids lose stuff; . Simple controls - shutter winding wheel ( maybe a button to turn on the built in flash)- allow the emphasis to be on light composition. I expect that once you get them through the initial stages most of them are going to be using the cameras in their cell phones. they let them have phones in their cell now? Luxury! We had to tap on the pipes with a spoon. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: All you WORK are belong to us! (Apple)
Last night while waiting for my ISP to take my call, I started a book with the new iBooks Author app. The really cool distinguishing features are the widgets and their *extreme ease of use.* In my test book, I inserted a Keynote presentation using the Keynote widget; a photo with text using the interactive widget; a gallery of photos using the, you guessed it, the photo gallery widget; a question with 4 multiple choice answers--identifying the correct answer. If the reader gets the wrong answer, s/he and try again. Of course, this was the question widget; The other widgets are 3D, movie, and HTML. I didn't have any content in these forms to insert. I then exported to my iBooks app, and it ran smooth as punch on my iPad. Totally amazing. While you are designing and laying out your book, you can preview your on going work and any of the multimedia widgets with the iPad when it's hooked up to your computer. It seems to me the reason to use this app is for its amazing widgets, and if you're going to use them, then you'd need to feel fairly certain that the majority of your readers would have the device capability to enjoy your interactive book to the fullest. I have no idea how an interactive book produced with this app would run on, say, a Kindle or Nook device. It runs great on the iPad, and I suspect that was the main intent, and if your book is only going to run great on an iPad, well then any mass distribution goals might have to be reconsidered. If you're doing a book with just text and standard images or graphics, you really don't need this app, though, obviously, you could still use it if you wanted to. Cheers, Christine On Jan 22, 2012, at 4:16 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: So it's not quite an evil empire, it's a wanna be evil empire. On 1/22/2012 4:41 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: I don't see this as a big issue. Blurb gives me free software to layout books to print/sell via Blurb. I can't use that software to print in any other way, even on my own printer. (Well, I can print, but with a big Blurb watermark on every page.) Anybody that doesn't want to print/sell exclusively via Blurb can find some other software to use. Apple offers free software to layout/distribute books via the Apple store. Anybody that doesn't want to sell exclusively via Apple can find some other software to use. Ho hum; no evil empire. stan On Jan 22, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Apple's license (EULA) forbids you from distributing your work created using Apple software. While the software discussed is not the one for photography, but for writing/publishing (iBooks Author), this can create a precedence. Read more about it here: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/apples-mind-bogglingly-greedy-and-evil-license-agreement/4360?tag=nl.e589 http://venomousporridge.com/post/16126436616/ibooks-author-eula-audacity -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: All you WORK are belong to us! (Apple)
They're all wanna be evil empires. The new buzzword is ecosystem so that you have to commit to everything produced or at least controlled by one company. Amazon and Google are doing the same thing, and Wintel is gearing up for a new run. Of course, that doesn't mean that we should all be happy about it. It's just the current level of bastardness. On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Last night while waiting for my ISP to take my call, I started a book with the new iBooks Author app. The really cool distinguishing features are the widgets and their *extreme ease of use.* In my test book, I inserted a Keynote presentation using the Keynote widget; a photo with text using the interactive widget; a gallery of photos using the, you guessed it, the photo gallery widget; a question with 4 multiple choice answers--identifying the correct answer. If the reader gets the wrong answer, s/he and try again. Of course, this was the question widget; The other widgets are 3D, movie, and HTML. I didn't have any content in these forms to insert. I then exported to my iBooks app, and it ran smooth as punch on my iPad. Totally amazing. While you are designing and laying out your book, you can preview your on going work and any of the multimedia widgets with the iPad when it's hooked up to your computer. It seems to me the reason to use this app is for its amazing widgets, and if you're going to use them, then you'd need to feel fairly certain that the majority of your readers would have the device capability to enjoy your interactive book to the fullest. I have no idea how an interactive book produced with this app would run on, say, a Kindle or Nook device. It runs great on the iPad, and I suspect that was the main intent, and if your book is only going to run great on an iPad, well then any mass distribution goals might have to be reconsidered. If you're doing a book with just text and standard images or graphics, you really don't need this app, though, obviously, you could still use it if you wanted to. Cheers, Christine On Jan 22, 2012, at 4:16 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: So it's not quite an evil empire, it's a wanna be evil empire. On 1/22/2012 4:41 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: I don't see this as a big issue. Blurb gives me free software to layout books to print/sell via Blurb. I can't use that software to print in any other way, even on my own printer. (Well, I can print, but with a big Blurb watermark on every page.) Anybody that doesn't want to print/sell exclusively via Blurb can find some other software to use. Apple offers free software to layout/distribute books via the Apple store. Anybody that doesn't want to sell exclusively via Apple can find some other software to use. Ho hum; no evil empire. stan On Jan 22, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Apple's license (EULA) forbids you from distributing your work created using Apple software. While the software discussed is not the one for photography, but for writing/publishing (iBooks Author), this can create a precedence. Read more about it here: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/apples-mind-bogglingly-greedy-and-evil-license-agreement/4360?tag=nl.e589 http://venomousporridge.com/post/16126436616/ibooks-author-eula-audacity -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: All you WORK are belong to us! (Apple)
Sorry Igor, I have seen that thread and several other discussions in the last day or two. And I still don't get what the issue is. Loosely paraphrasing, in what is not at all a novel approach (pun intended), Apple says you use our free goodies to make a buck, we want a share of the profits. And we'll manage that process painlessly by putting the book through our store. Oh by the way, as with apps for our phones etc. we do have standards; if your work is objectionable, we don't want your business. Sounds fair to me. And I think the Blurb analogy is a perfect one. Both offer free software which has the purpose of allowing the user to make a product which will be produced/distributed through the supplier of the software, yielding the software provider some profit. Seems a good and fair business model. BTW, I have been party to several contracts with actual publishers of actual books. Technical, textbook-type books. Low quantity distribution expected, and the publisher can only hope for break-even. So they structure the contract to read (again, paraphrased) we are taking the risk, we are covering the up-front production/advertising/distribution costs. So we'll take [all/most of] the gross income from the first [1000/2000] copies. Then we'll start to give you authors a small percentage of the net on succeeding copies sold. I find the eBook business model to be much more palatable in that the share of profits apparently does not vary as a function of sales volume; the author gets a share of the income from the beginning. IIRC, it used to be that GM, Ford, etc. expected you to do periodic maintenance on your vehicle in order to maintain the validity of their warranty. Any more they build them so well that maintenance is pretty much a moot point, but they used to require you to have the work done in their facility. Again IIRC that was stopped as an illegal restriction of trade. Someday, if Apple publishing gets to be a significant factor in the eBook market, then maybe they might lose a suit claiming unfair restriction. Right now to me I see nothing wrong with what they are doing or how they are going about it. stan On Jan 22, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Stan, This example is not a correct one. Nobody complains that a kitchen knife is not suitable to hammer nails, but nobody would forbid you using it for that purpose. But if you buy a hammer at the store (or get it as a freebie), - you are not going to read the instructions to see if you are not allowed to use that hammer for a paid job. While I clearly understand the motivation of Apple, but it is not the RIGHT WAY to implement the solution. If the software didn't have functionality except for submitting the books via Apple website, that would be one thing. i Stan, please read the second link, - it explains what the problems are. They are not in the fact that Apple restricts something but rather in _how_ they do that. Igor Sun Jan 22 16:41:15 EST 2012 Stan Halpin wrote: I don't see this as a big issue. Blurb gives me free software to layout books to print/sell via Blurb. I can't use that software to print in any other way, even on my own printer. (Well, I can print, but with a big Blurb watermark on every page.) Anybody that doesn't want to print/sell exclusively via Blurb can find some other software to use. Apple offers free software to layout/distribute books via the Apple store. Anybody that doesn't want to sell exclusively via Apple can find some other software to use. Ho hum; no evil empire. stan On Jan 22, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Apple's license (EULA) forbids you from distributing your work created using Apple software. While the software discussed is not the one for photography, but for writing/publishing (iBooks Author), this can create a precedence. Read more about it here: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/apples-mind-bogglingly-greedy-and-evil-license-agreement/4360?tag=nl.e589 http://venomousporridge.com/post/16126436616/ibooks-author-eula-audacity -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Photography for Kids?
On Jan 22, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Bob W wrote: I believe I was the one who originally suggested starting them out with disposable film cameras. My reasoning was: . Low initial investment before the parents find out whether the kid is going to stick with photography; because ... . Kids lose stuff; . Simple controls - shutter winding wheel ( maybe a button to turn on the built in flash)- allow the emphasis to be on light composition. I expect that once you get them through the initial stages most of them are going to be using the cameras in their cell phones. they let them have phones in their cell now? Luxury! We had to tap on the pipes with a spoon. B We were never allowed spoons and had to eat the gruel with our fingers. To signal we pounded our head on the wall. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: PAW-1
On Jan 22, 2012, at 2:21 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Would you say it was Paw-fect ? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller I have a feline that Paw-fect would be an exaggeration. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: PAW-1
Thanks Jeffry, Frank, Cory, David, Christine, Dan and Ken for your comments. The kitten was sleeping near my desk, I liked the light falling across her, and the way she had her head resting on the one outstretched paw, so I picked up the camera sitting near at hand. The shutter sound (K20D) for the first shot woke her, so the next three frames involved trying to maintain her attention without inducing the usual frenetic kitten behavior. I maybe coulda/shoulda stopped long enough to raise the ISO a notch or two to allow for more DOF, but oh well. It did turn out to be a good portrait of her. BTW, in the quote from my original message below I have inserted the word seen to clarify/correct the original. stan On Jan 22, 2012, at 1:42 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Actually, two paws. Nice animal portrait there. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: I keep hearing about PAWs, and I have seen some fine images from those who follow that discipline, but nary a paw! So here is one for you. http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/h1C93A4BE#h1c93a4be stan -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Watching My Carb
Yes, Debbie is my wife. I don't have a shot of her bike, which is now partially disassembled, but here's a web pic: http://www.suzuki-bikes.com/suzuki-savage/ It's a small bike, which is why she likes it. On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: I like selective desaturation and I like your shot here, but I'd really like to see a picture of Debbie's motorcycle. Is Debbie your wife? Cheers, Christine On Jan 21, 2012, at 6:52 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: My current workbench project: http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_3zgwM8#!i=1680803911k=gQw34Hglb=1s=O This is the carburetor to Debbie's motorcycle. I'm trying to clean it without humiliating myself, but I am currently being balked by at least 7 frozen screws. Anyway, I took this shot but hated the colors of the bench and wasn't thrilled with the BW version, so I tried selective desaturation. Notice that when confronted with a true mechanical problem, I take a picture of it and re-read Pirsig's essay on stuckness. More practically, I've order an impact driver from Lisle. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: All you WORK are belong to us! (Apple)
on 2012-01-22 13:50 Igor Roshchin wrote Apple's license (EULA) forbids you from distributing your work created using Apple software. that's not correct; Apple forbids you from _selling_ it, but not from _distributing_ it (your term), outside of Apple's distribution system the textbooks you can create are much like apps, and the restrictions here are a bit looser than the restrictions when you use Apple's free software to create apps; there are dozens of other ways to prepare rich content for iOS, not to mention other devices, so i don't think there's much chance of lock-in, except perhaps for a certain range of textbook publishing; textbooks are already an extremely closed world, and i think Apple's move may jostle that world bit at first, then a lot eventually — a good thing in my mind and from what i understand this _free_ tool is pretty good; it must have cost Apple a lot to develop; there are lots of tools which produce output that has license restrictions; in this case Apple has done a pretty good job of lubricating the process Apple is not the only player, by any means; aside from other corpses competing to create ecosystems (Facebook recently acquired Strobe, which was producing a promising commercial framework on top of SproutCore), there is also strong open-source action; Ember.js (SproutCore 2) and Baker, for example that said i was underwhelmed with Apple's new offerings; i worked for years in book and magazine publishing, and have some ebook creation in my future, but so far i don't see any strong reason to use Apple's tools; it will be interesting to see how the publishing industry evolves but we are very very much in the infancy of digital publishing -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: All you WORK are belong to us! (Apple)
On Jan 22, 2012, at 16:33 , Steven Desjardins wrote: They're all wanna be evil empires. The new buzzword is ecosystem so that you have to commit to everything produced or at least controlled by one company. Amazon and Google are doing the same thing, and Wintel is gearing up for a new run. Of course, that doesn't mean that we should all be happy about it. It's just the current level of bastardness. Wouldn't that be the current level of wanting to be profitable enough to stay in business? I know, we're speaking of the largest and most profitable of companies here. But modern corporations learned 10-20 years ago you can't stay in business if you give it away. Once they figured that out, they got greedy with those profits, collecting the best aftermarket companies and bringing them inside. Eventually, they saw the light of the product/consumer marriage and even higher profits, almost guaranteed. They've also learned that no one found any legal reason they could not pull support as they introduced newer products. Software that made your hardware obsolete on odd years, hardware that made your software obsolete during even years. For corporate and educational use, this just about forces them to replace everything in IT to be able to compete with the latest WOW stuff. But they only do this for your own good. Truth. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com THE SENILITY PRAYER : Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked anyway, The good fortune to run into the ones I do, and The eyesight to tell the difference. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
