Re: Pentax releases data
On 11/09/2012 10:22 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: ... with Nikon I immediately felt positively certain of its reliability. With Pentax I have to always be watchful. Boris, you have summed up my Pentax experience perfectly. I've pretty much found that if it's automated, it's gonna be wrong. Except for white balance. Auto white balance seems good. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESOs: Duxford Airshow
On 11 September 2012 12:45, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Quoting Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net: We went yesterday and the undoubted star of the show was the only Vulcan still flying: http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/Airshows1/Duxford2012/slides/_IMG3159.html The Aerostars Yak-50 display team did a pretty good job too: http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/Airshows1/Duxford2012/slides/_IMG3277.html And, for the WW2 aficionados, here's B17 Flying Fortress, Sally B: http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/Airshows1/Duxford2012/slides/_IMG3249.html Great set. Hard to pick a favourite but I really like the Catalina in IMG3218. Thanks Brian. I was rather pleased with the Catalina one too. Chris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESOs: Duxford Airshow
Yes, that works out. The takeover of Follands was around 1962 and I started there in '69. Chris On 11 September 2012 06:10, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Chris - not sure when the takeover took place, I was there 1956-7. Couple of years later I was in the RAF and was posted to the unit where we fixed up the pilots who'd walked (or crawled) away from the 'heavy landings'! We also fixed injured personnel from the other services, so we had a really mixed bag of uniforms there (but at least we never did parades or other 'bull' stuff!) John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Chris Mitchell Sent: Monday, 10 September 2012 4:22 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESOs: Duxford Airshow Thanks John. I guess you'd have been at Kingston just prior to the Hawker Siddeley takeover? I was at Hamble, near Southampton, just after so it was no longer called Follands. Gnat production had finished, but it was still the RAF's jet trainer and the Red Arrows were still using Gnats. The only time we had whole aircraft in the factory was for refurbishment or to repair heavy landing (i.e. a crash that someone walked away from) issues. I'll never forget the last season of the Red Arrows using the Gnat before they moved onto Hawks - they did a special thank you display for the Hamble factory right over Southampton Water, so they were able to go really low. Stunning and unforgettable. Cheers, Chris On 10 September 2012 05:24, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote: Great shots Chris - I was once at Farnborough when both the Vulcan and the Victor were performing: beautiful to watch but the sound of the engines on full throttle got you right in the guts! Interested in your working at the Gnat factory: couple of months ago I went to our local aircraft museum, and saw a Hawker Hunter on static display which was built while I was working at the factory in Kingston, Surrey where the Hunter was in production. Eerie to think that some of the parts I worked on (mainly cockpit latch hooks and other small electroplated pieces, or first coat paint panels) are probably still in it... John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Chris Mitchell Sent: Sunday, 9 September 2012 7:22 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESOs: Duxford Airshow We went yesterday and the undoubted star of the show was the only Vulcan still flying: http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/Airshows1/Duxford2012/slides/_IMG3159.htm l The Aerostars Yak-50 display team did a pretty good job too: http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/Airshows1/Duxford2012/slides/_IMG3277.htm l And, for the WW2 aficionados, here's B17 Flying Fortress, Sally B: http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/Airshows1/Duxford2012/slides/_IMG3249.htm l Chris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESOs: Duxford Airshow
Thanks Mark. Yes, it's a pleasure to see the B17 still flying. At Duxford there's a memorial to all of the US aircrews who were lost during WW2. There's an image of each aircraft lost engraved on the glass walls of the walkway leading up to the museum. Very moving. Chris On 10 September 2012 23:56, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: Very nice set of photos, all of them. The B17 is my favorite but I just like B17's Mark On 9/9/2012 5:21 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote: We went yesterday and the undoubted star of the show was the only Vulcan still flying: http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/Airshows1/Duxford2012/slides/_IMG3159.html The Aerostars Yak-50 display team did a pretty good job too: http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/Airshows1/Duxford2012/slides/_IMG3277.html And, for the WW2 aficionados, here's B17 Flying Fortress, Sally B: http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/Airshows1/Duxford2012/slides/_IMG3249.html Chris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESOs: Duxford Airshow
On 9 September 2012 16:11, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote: On 9 September 2012 14:28, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I really enjoyed that gallery, Chris. I thought that many of these shots could do with some sharpening though. Thanks Bruce. Mostly motion blur I think. Panning a 300mm lens with a shutter speed that shows propeller blur is a bit of an art... Well I wondered if maybe you were handholding the 300. In that case, well done! :-) You *can* sharpen up motion-blurred shots a bit in Lightroom/ACR if you crank the Radius value up around 2.0 or more and reduce the Amount. It's basically a compromise between fine detail sharpening and local contrast enhancement. And Photoshop's Smart Sharpening filter has settings for reversing motion blur if you can determine the dominant direction/angle of the blur. -- Thanks for the advice Bruce. I've had a go with LR, but can't get much of an improvement. Will have a go with PS when I've got a couple of free hours... Chris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - $ says ?
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Re: PESO: Extreme cliche alert
I braced and pulled it up. Wasn't bad at all. In fact, it was unique and very well done, Tim! Jack Davis http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/jackdavis http://www.photolightimages.com/ From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:48 PM Subject: PESO: Extreme cliche alert Take cover! Hipsters and other ironists need to avert their eyes double quick: https://plus.google.com/photos/107606703558161507946/albums/5787162101571364433/5787162104843336546 Yes, it’s a sunset. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Posterior vitreous detachment
On 2012-09-12 1:11, Joseph McAllister wrote: Why did it take so long to attain that, as an average? According to a class I took years ago, the answer is infant mortality. IIRC, the professor claimed that if, in 1776, you ignored the deaths of those less than either six or ten years old in the calculation, the average lifespan was over 60, rather than the under 50 or so that you get when you include the infant/child deaths. -- Doug Lefty Franklin NutDriver Racing http://NutDriver.org Facebook NutDriver Racing Sponsored by Murphy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Ritz/Wolf camera chain going out of business, liquidation starting now
Liquidation? Time to bring in this guy: http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Putin_9ec3a3_2420828.jpg Cheers Ecke in my area liquidated and shut down back when the K-7 was replacing the K20D, at which time they were trying to still sell K10Ds for full introductory price as a close out special. I don't think Pentax reps answered Ritz/Wolf's phone calls any more than they answer Milford Camera's, so I doubt anyone will find relatively current Pentax equipment at bargain prices, though I'll bet the liquidators will be trying to sell any new old stock Pentax *ist-D cameras they find at 10% off original list. On 9/11/2012 11:09 PM, John Celio wrote: Ritz Camera (big US camera retail chain) is finally dead: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-10/ritz-camera-liquidation-approved-after-second-bankruptcy.html I will not miss them at all. Terrible stores, terrible selection, poorly-trained staff, etc. Hopefully local mom--pop camera shops will be able to return one day, when the economy improves, now that this behemoth is out of the way. If you're a deal hunter, people on Reddit.com are saying Ritz and Wolf stores are already liquidating everything (except their lab equipment). I don't recall ever seeing much Pentax stuff there, but you might find deals on accessories. John -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Ritz/Wolf camera chain going out of business, liquidation starting now
Putin on a Ritz? On 9/12/2012 8:42 AM, Underpaid N. Overpentaxed wrote: Liquidation? Time to bring in this guy: http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Putin_9ec3a3_2420828.jpg Cheers Ecke in my area liquidated and shut down back when the K-7 was replacing the K20D, at which time they were trying to still sell K10Ds for full introductory price as a close out special. I don't think Pentax reps answered Ritz/Wolf's phone calls any more than they answer Milford Camera's, so I doubt anyone will find relatively current Pentax equipment at bargain prices, though I'll bet the liquidators will be trying to sell any new old stock Pentax *ist-D cameras they find at 10% off original list. On 9/11/2012 11:09 PM, John Celio wrote: Ritz Camera (big US camera retail chain) is finally dead: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-10/ritz-camera-liquidation-approved-after-second-bankruptcy.html I will not miss them at all. Terrible stores, terrible selection, poorly-trained staff, etc. Hopefully local mom--pop camera shops will be able to return one day, when the economy improves, now that this behemoth is out of the way. If you're a deal hunter, people on Reddit.com are saying Ritz and Wolf stores are already liquidating everything (except their lab equipment). I don't recall ever seeing much Pentax stuff there, but you might find deals on accessories. John -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Posterior vitreous detachment
On 9/12/2012 8:30 AM, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2012-09-12 1:11, Joseph McAllister wrote: Why did it take so long to attain that, as an average? According to a class I took years ago, the answer is infant mortality. IIRC, the professor claimed that if, in 1776, you ignored the deaths of those less than either six or ten years old in the calculation, the average lifespan was over 60, rather than the under 50 or so that you get when you include the infant/child deaths. The average age of death of a medieval blacksmith was 74, the only thing special about that is that he had survived childhood. It was only high childhood mortality that reduced average lifespan to 30 years. Most places didn't even record the births of children to anyone not of any special social stature until they had been christened. So even those statistics overstate average lifespan. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Posterior vitreous detachment
On 9/12/2012 1:11 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: On Sep 11, 2012, at 20:42 , John Sessoms wrote: On Sep 10, 2012, at 09:54 , Bruce Walker wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:11 AM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 09/09/2012 09:10, Bob W wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of mike wilson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posterior_vitreous_detachment I've never heard of that before. Sounds like one more shitty thing to look forward to as my body crumbles under the weight of increasing years. Did she fix it? Unfixable. The jelly in the big part of your eye liquifies as you get older and pulls away from the retina. Trying to glue liquid to anything is a fool's game. Well who in hell thought *that* was a good eye design anyway? It is a result of our living almost twice our designed lifespan. Other than injury, no one would experience this if we all died at 45. Bible says three score and 10. Actually the design limit seems to be about 114. Why did it take so long to attain that, as an average? Only a portion of the population has achieved that number. As I have just reached said predicted number, I pay no attention to the bible's prediction anymore. It is obviously wrong. grin Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Extreme cliche alert
Excellent image; the composition raises it above the cliche. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: Take cover! Hipsters and other ironists need to avert their eyes double quick: https://plus.google.com/photos/107606703558161507946/albums/5787162101571364433/5787162104843336546 Yes, it’s a sunset. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - $ says ?
Effective image; the bird is an especially nice touch. It must be looking for all those fish . . . Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:40 AM, Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com wrote: http://maritimtim.blogspot.no/2012/09/says.html -- MaritimTim My private photo blog: http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ My photo class blog: http://z-fotokurs.blogspot.com/ To err is human to arr is pirate -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: The Critics
Listening to the outdoor Jazz Festival. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16455292 Comments are always appreciated. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Extreme cliche alert
I doubt that I will ever get tired of seeing a gorgeous sunrise or sunset in real life, so I'm not sure why I should get tired of seeing a good one captured well by someone else. And this is a Good One. Thanks for sharing! I believe that calling certain photographic subjects cliché has become cliché. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: The Critics
A great example of looking behind for a shot. I love these on-the-grass outdoor music scenes. Mississauga, where I live, used to have a fine square where they held events like this: pop, jazz, indie-rock, orchestral; you name it. Couple of years ago they decided to spend big bucks to install a permanent stage, large screens, etc. But they ripped out the gras and put in this bizarre floating interlocking plastic carpet. Now everyone is forced to stand to listen. I swear that while general area attendance may be higher, the let's-move-along impulse is higher too. Nobody stays for more than a single tune of anything now. I don't even consider going to music there anymore. Sad. Thanks for this one, Dan. On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Listening to the outdoor Jazz Festival. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16455292 Comments are always appreciated. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax releases data
tiny view finder scares me a bit... My only wish was my ist-d was lots less noisy at 3200 and went up to 6400. seeing the great stuff in relatively low light I was seeing from youse guys that have the K-5 made for camera lust. but hey, I'm just dreamin anyway at this point. thanks for making me feel less deprived :-) ann On 9/12/2012 01:59, William Robb wrote: On 11/09/2012 7:20 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: In what way is the K-5 deficient in auto-focus? takes too long to get there, or doesnt get it right? It's pretty fast, depending on the lens, but is noticeably slower when compared to the midrange AF from the other guys. Mine is also very inaccurate under studio lights. I have to dial in the maximum AF bias to get close (really bad front focus), and unfortunately, it isn't consistent, so I never really know where it is going to focus. Under studio lights I am lucky to get an AF hit rate of 30% unless I go to live view, which combined with face detection is a decent alternative to focusing manually with the tiny viewfinder, and is accurate enough. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Extreme cliche alert
I agree wholeheartedly and more than a little self-servingly. -- Walt On 9/12/2012 9:04 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I doubt that I will ever get tired of seeing a gorgeous sunrise or sunset in real life, so I'm not sure why I should get tired of seeing a good one captured well by someone else. And this is a Good One. Thanks for sharing! I believe that calling certain photographic subjects cliché has become cliché. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The last Photokina speculation thread on PDML before Photokina
As Boris said in the Ricewhine Postmortem thread, it may be wise to wait until after Photokina to say definitively that ALL the announcements have been made. My own predictions did worse than RiceHigh's. I got the K-mount adapter for the Q right (not too tough, after it was shown at the last CPP+) but I didn't see a lot of other people listing it. I got the superzoom lens right, but did not guess exactly the focal length range. ( said 16-250mm and it was 18-270mm, which is not too far off) I got the 560mm right, since that one was basically give to us by the Teacher (already leaked) I correctly guessed a new Q lens, but it wasn't the fast wide prime I hoped for - but the telephoto zoom. I'd give myself half-credit on that one. The other thing I got right was that Pentax would be offering a sans anti-alias filter option. Frankly, I thought that it would be on a 24MP model, but I'm glad it isn't. What Pentax is doing here is extremely interesting. They have recognized a good thing (I believe in an earlier conversation, Mark Roberts made a case for calling it a sweet spot for the 16MP Exmor sensor in the APS-C size. Pentax succeeded in building a 14-bit camera on top of that and doing more with it than even its creator Sony could. The K-5II and K-5IIs seem to be mostly refinements on that, but when you are refining the finest APS-C camera out there (at least from a pure IQ standpoint) that no one has YET surpassed (two years after it was announced) then I think that is a smart move. It's not smart from the standpoint of people who look at only megapixels as the measure of a camera, but Pentax is saying that's OK. We'd rather produce a camera that produces superb results across a very broad spectrum of ISOs, to one that starts to perform poorly at higher ISOs or *requires* post-processing noise reduction to get good results. There are also different market segments. There are people who can and will pay $3-3.3K for a Nikon D800/E body. There are people who will pay $2.3K for a Sony A99 full frame body. But I would argue that in terms of sheer numbers, there are less of them than will pay $1-1.3K for the finest APS-C body available. Now would Pentax benefit from servicing one of those higher markets? Sure, but not before they take care of their bread and butter class of customer. The question that still remains, regarding Photokina, is if these are the 9 product announcements or (since they combined some of them) there are still more announcements coming. I remain a little surprised that the 645DII was not announced. I'm guessing that it is not quite yet ready to come out of the oven. It also looks like Pentax has abandoned the low-end entry level DSLR, which I find a little sad. I would never have entered the Pentax upgrade stream if it hadn't been for the $500 K200D (and later the K-x). Now I'm a K-5 and Q owner. I think this is another serious marketing blunder, unless the K-z is still coming. Indications I got from my Authorized Pentax Dealer seemed to indicate that the K-30 is now the entry camera. Call me gullible, but I do think the Pentax FF is still coming and that it will be similar to the Sony A99. I think the rumors that Sony is requiring a 6 month lead time for their A99 before letting someone else use the sensor makes sense. But that means that if it isn't announced by April, I will have to assume that one is never coming. On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: For the purposes of discussion, let's assume that the Russian Pentax tweet about nine press release announcements coming in the next few days/weeks are going to cover Pentax (and Ricoh's) combined product announcements prior to unveiling them at Photokina. I think the 560mm telephoto and the 24MP APS-C K-3 are in the for sure category. That leaves us with 7 more announcements (and they could be for anything from flash to accessory to lens to camera). If I were placing odds I would put them in the following order (from most likely to least likely) The Pentax K to Q adapter shown at CPP+ A new flash unit Pentax 645Dii The DA High Magnification Zoom lens on the roadmap for 2012 (this language sounds a lot like the lens on the X-5 bridge camera, only to cover an APS-C image circle, so I'm guessing a 16-250mm superzoom) A fast wide lens for the Q... a 5mm f1.8 would be perfect. A K-mount module for the Ricoh GXR (sells more lenses to another installed base)* A K-z entry level (I have my doubts about this even happening... I think Pentax is abandoning the low-entry DSLR arena, but I think that would be a mistake) *does this count as a Pentax announcement? Is the Pentax booth combined with Ricoh at Photokina this year? I think the one thing that Pentax may do that will surprise some people is to make more cameras with/without the anti-aliasing filter (ala Nikon D800/D800E) giving people the choice of which they want. The Pentax Q has no anti-alias filter, which is part of
Re: Pentax releases data
Boris, you have summed up my Pentax experience perfectly. I've pretty much found that if it's automated, it's gonna be wrong. Except for white balance. Auto white balance seems good. -- William Robb Bill, you have summed up my Pentax experience perfectly. Actually I think they get exposure right 80% of the time as well. I haven't followed Photokina closely, but with players like Sony announcing a FF compact (granted not for everybody or me) and another FF body, while Pentax announces another Q, a 645D lens that only 645D owners will possibly purchase, two bodies that are more of the same, and of all things a $7000 DA lens for their APS-C bodies, I just have to wonder. I can already see flocks of Pentax APS-C camera owners getting in line for that lens, can't you? Pentax is like a really good mom pop burger joint. They may make burgers that taste reasonably great and for a decent price. But until they start serving Prime Rib and Filet Mignon at a high yet palatable price, they'll only attract burger buyers. And unless they sell BILLIONS/TRILLIONS (for Bob S.) they'll always be struggling to make a respectable profit, which correlates to their ability to bring out really top-tier products. (opinion) I've grown tired of faffing around with them. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: The Critics
Thanks, Bruce. During the summer, our town has smaller Friday evening concerts on the courthouse steps, where folks sit on the grass, or in a pedestrian alley, where chairs are set up. This was a larger Jazz Festival event, and they barricaded three blocks around the Courthouse for food, beer and other venues, and brought in a mobile bandstand owned by the County Park Commission. Some listeners sat in chairs in the middle of Main Street, but more made themselves comfortable on the courthouse lawn, in the shade of tall maple trees. It was a concert and a picnic and a dance and a party all in one, with perfect weather as a bonus. These gentlemen expressed admiration for the female vocalist performing at the time, but seemed less interested in the instruments solos that are so much a part of jazz. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: A great example of looking behind for a shot. I love these on-the-grass outdoor music scenes. Mississauga, where I live, used to have a fine square where they held events like this: pop, jazz, indie-rock, orchestral; you name it. Couple of years ago they decided to spend big bucks to install a permanent stage, large screens, etc. But they ripped out the gras and put in this bizarre floating interlocking plastic carpet. Now everyone is forced to stand to listen. I swear that while general area attendance may be higher, the let's-move-along impulse is higher too. Nobody stays for more than a single tune of anything now. I don't even consider going to music there anymore. Sad. Thanks for this one, Dan. On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Listening to the outdoor Jazz Festival. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16455292 Comments are always appreciated. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML Digest, Vol 77, Issue 105
Yes Mike, I have one and have mated it with manual focus lenses back to screw-mounted Pentax Ricoh Canon and and sharp an old Russian-made using a rather bizarre tilt-shift adapter. I had the same problems with manual focus that I do with any camera - I ain't very good at it. If you have the time to zoom in with the preview button you can do very well. And I have had good luck with close-up work. Frankly I use mine all the time as my carry around back-up and video shooter. I advise you to snap one up. There are adapters for almost any type of lens just search Amazon for micro 4/3s. Because of the sensor size everything is more or less telephoto. Even my 10 to 20 Sigma is a 20 on the Oly. One of my favorite Pentax lenses on Oly is the cheap but surprisingly good 35-80. Plastic but very lightweight. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 22:29:03 -0400 From: Michael Beacommbea...@mac.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Refurbished E-PL1 body through Amazon for $120 Message-ID:3998ab3c-7c5b-4f25-908c-b2612f95a...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Also sold on e-bay. Cameta has 6 left as I write this. You've got my attention now (currently in acquisition mode) Any one have experience with it with Manual Focus K-mount lenses? Is it annoying? Cheers Mike -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The last Photokina speculation thread on PDML before Photokina
Darren, I don't get at all how you came to the conclusion that Pentax is abandoning the entry-level market. Just based on no specific new model at Photokina? Not every product that Pentax has in the pipeline would be ready to unveil at Photokina. I'm certain we'll see more entry-level product in the coming months. The K30D *is* the K200D of its time (now). It's a powerful entry level kit that makes the starter Canikon stuff look very weak in comparison. Pentax will probably reduce its price soon to approach the $500-600 range. (When I bought my K100D Super in 2007 it was over $800 with the 18-55/50-200 combo.) On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: As Boris said in the Ricewhine Postmortem thread, it may be wise to wait until after Photokina to say definitively that ALL the announcements have been made. My own predictions did worse than RiceHigh's. I got the K-mount adapter for the Q right (not too tough, after it was shown at the last CPP+) but I didn't see a lot of other people listing it. I got the superzoom lens right, but did not guess exactly the focal length range. ( said 16-250mm and it was 18-270mm, which is not too far off) I got the 560mm right, since that one was basically give to us by the Teacher (already leaked) I correctly guessed a new Q lens, but it wasn't the fast wide prime I hoped for - but the telephoto zoom. I'd give myself half-credit on that one. The other thing I got right was that Pentax would be offering a sans anti-alias filter option. Frankly, I thought that it would be on a 24MP model, but I'm glad it isn't. What Pentax is doing here is extremely interesting. They have recognized a good thing (I believe in an earlier conversation, Mark Roberts made a case for calling it a sweet spot for the 16MP Exmor sensor in the APS-C size. Pentax succeeded in building a 14-bit camera on top of that and doing more with it than even its creator Sony could. The K-5II and K-5IIs seem to be mostly refinements on that, but when you are refining the finest APS-C camera out there (at least from a pure IQ standpoint) that no one has YET surpassed (two years after it was announced) then I think that is a smart move. It's not smart from the standpoint of people who look at only megapixels as the measure of a camera, but Pentax is saying that's OK. We'd rather produce a camera that produces superb results across a very broad spectrum of ISOs, to one that starts to perform poorly at higher ISOs or *requires* post-processing noise reduction to get good results. There are also different market segments. There are people who can and will pay $3-3.3K for a Nikon D800/E body. There are people who will pay $2.3K for a Sony A99 full frame body. But I would argue that in terms of sheer numbers, there are less of them than will pay $1-1.3K for the finest APS-C body available. Now would Pentax benefit from servicing one of those higher markets? Sure, but not before they take care of their bread and butter class of customer. The question that still remains, regarding Photokina, is if these are the 9 product announcements or (since they combined some of them) there are still more announcements coming. I remain a little surprised that the 645DII was not announced. I'm guessing that it is not quite yet ready to come out of the oven. It also looks like Pentax has abandoned the low-end entry level DSLR, which I find a little sad. I would never have entered the Pentax upgrade stream if it hadn't been for the $500 K200D (and later the K-x). Now I'm a K-5 and Q owner. I think this is another serious marketing blunder, unless the K-z is still coming. Indications I got from my Authorized Pentax Dealer seemed to indicate that the K-30 is now the entry camera. Call me gullible, but I do think the Pentax FF is still coming and that it will be similar to the Sony A99. I think the rumors that Sony is requiring a 6 month lead time for their A99 before letting someone else use the sensor makes sense. But that means that if it isn't announced by April, I will have to assume that one is never coming. On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: For the purposes of discussion, let's assume that the Russian Pentax tweet about nine press release announcements coming in the next few days/weeks are going to cover Pentax (and Ricoh's) combined product announcements prior to unveiling them at Photokina. I think the 560mm telephoto and the 24MP APS-C K-3 are in the for sure category. That leaves us with 7 more announcements (and they could be for anything from flash to accessory to lens to camera). If I were placing odds I would put them in the following order (from most likely to least likely) The Pentax K to Q adapter shown at CPP+ A new flash unit Pentax 645Dii The DA High Magnification Zoom lens on the roadmap for 2012 (this language sounds a lot like the lens on the X-5 bridge camera,
Re: PESO: Extreme cliche alert
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that calling certain photographic subjects cliché has become cliché. Mark! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The last Photokina speculation thread on PDML before Photokina
I see what you are saying, Bruce, but I think you are overstating things a bit. There is a fundamental difference between your entry level kit being announced (with kit lens) for $679 and eventually coming down to around $500 (as they did with the K-x: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2009/9/17/pentaxkx ) and an entry level camera that is introduced at a price point right at your current flagship (the K-5 actual selling price) where people have to ask which should I get the K-5 or the K-30? The K-30 was announced at $879 with kit lens. I'm sure the K-30 will come down over time, but I doubt that it will ever reach the earlier entry level camera selling prices (K200D, K2000D, K-m, K-x, K-r). To do so it would have to be discounted an *extra* $200 over what the K-x was. THAT's what I'm decrying. They've give up the Good, Better, Best model in APS-C-land and now only offer the Better Best. Removing that lower threshold entry point is going to eliminate a lot of potential Pentaxians. And I base that on the indicators given by my Pentax Dealer. Now that may simply mean that the word hasn't come down the pike yet (and I'm wondering what the heck became of the rumored multi-colored K-z, which sounded like the successor to the K-x/K-r. Unless that was all based on someone's imagination and/or was a hoax. It sounded reasonable to me, that they would not give up that price point in the market. There are still crappy Canon and Nikon entry level models Pentax could beat performance/features-wise. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax releases data
Ann, the tiny viewfinder, if I've done my math correctly, gives the same size image as that in the *ist-D, (which seems to be exactly the same unit used in the K20D), The K-5 differs in showing 100% frame coverage, with a slightly lower magnification. Compared to the finders in most mid to upper level APS-C DSLR's it's excellent. It's only when compared to the viewfinders in 24x36 format cameras that it seems tiny. In fact I just dragged out my ZX-5n and didn't find the K20D to be noticeably different in quality, and the image size only a tiny bit smaller. Anyone who expects the finder in an APS-C SLR to give as big and bright a view as an LX, or one of the new 24x36 frame DSLRs, is kidding themselves, but compared to even an all glass pentaprism finder in a mid range SLR from the end of the film era it's pretty good. In fact the Pentax magnifying eyepiece, I can't remember it's real name at the moment, pretty much brings the viewfinder image up in magnification to be almost exactly the same size as the ZX-5n. I highly recommend it to anyone who doesn't wear glasses. On 9/12/2012 10:39 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: tiny view finder scares me a bit... My only wish was my ist-d was lots less noisy at 3200 and went up to 6400. seeing the great stuff in relatively low light I was seeing from youse guys that have the K-5 made for camera lust. but hey, I'm just dreamin anyway at this point. thanks for making me feel less deprived :-) ann On 9/12/2012 01:59, William Robb wrote: On 11/09/2012 7:20 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: In what way is the K-5 deficient in auto-focus? takes too long to get there, or doesnt get it right? It's pretty fast, depending on the lens, but is noticeably slower when compared to the midrange AF from the other guys. Mine is also very inaccurate under studio lights. I have to dial in the maximum AF bias to get close (really bad front focus), and unfortunately, it isn't consistent, so I never really know where it is going to focus. Under studio lights I am lucky to get an AF hit rate of 30% unless I go to live view, which combined with face detection is a decent alternative to focusing manually with the tiny viewfinder, and is accurate enough. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax releases data
Well, ok. What level of improvement could we theoretically expect? I've tried out most of the new currently available camera bodies. Most of 'em are not much different from K-5 in terms of focusing. Cameras of the same price range are often even worse, especially in accuracy of focusing. I would say, that some C* models in particular are fast, but not very accurate. When people are talking about superior AF of the other brands they very often do compare apples to the oranges (as you say in English). Either they are not even touched latest Pentaxes or they compare 'em to much more expensive models. We all have to admit - C* and N* flagships do have very good AF modules, they REALLY do. I had an opportunity to play a bit with Nikon D4 - it's really stellar. Times ago I had D3x set for a month - and it was not very easy to go back to my K20D afterwards. But can we really expect the same kind of performance from whatever Pentax body with ~1000-1500 EUR/USD pricetag? Wouldn't it be the same as to expect the freshly announced SuperTele lens at no more than 2000 EUR/USD? BR, Margus On 9/12/2012 05:20, Paul Stenquist wrote: It's not bad overall. But compared to some of the best cameras it's not great n low light, and it has trouble locking on a moving object -- which would suggest it's a bit slow. It's better than any of the other Pentax DSLRs, save for the K-7, which seems to be about the same. It's good enough for me most of the time, but better would be nice. Paul On Sep 11, 2012, at 9:20 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: In what way is the K-5 deficient in auto-focus? takes too long to get there, or doesnt get it right? cf the ist-d ? ann On 9/11/2012 20:25, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Sep 11, 2012, at 7:39 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: On Sep 10, 2012, at 20:03 , John Francis wrote: Agreed. These new cameras aren't going to tempt many people to upgrade from a K-5. They're probably not intended to. The diiferences I spot on the K-5 II are: o Better auto-focus (this is the big one from where I'm sitting) But they never say how much better. If it isn't an Industry Breakthrough it is probably about the same as the K-10 to K-7 improvement. Just a little bit. Ir'a hard to quantify improvements in autofocus, but the K-5 is definitely deficient in that regard, so I expect a substantial improvement. Hope I'm right. Paul o Improved rear LCD (brighter sharper, but same size resolution) Retina Display? o SDXC memory card compatibility (or was that added in a K5 firware upgrade?) Don't remember. Don't have any of the XC cards, nor do I need them. Yet. Everything else looks to be the same as the K-5. Am I forgetting anything? Nothing that hasn't already been moved back behind the green curtain. (OZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Ritz/Wolf camera chain going out of business, liquidation, starting now
From: John Celio Ritz Camera (big US camera retail chain) is finally dead: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-10/ritz-camera-liquidation-approved-after-second-bankruptcy.html I will not miss them at all. Terrible stores, terrible selection, poorly-trained staff, etc. Hopefully local mom--pop camera shops will be able to return one day, when the economy improves, now that this behemoth is out of the way. If you're a deal hunter, people on Reddit.com are saying Ritz and Wolf stores are already liquidating everything (except their lab equipment). I don't recall ever seeing much Pentax stuff there, but you might find deals on accessories. John One of our local mom--pop stores had become a Wolf Camera store. I think they converted to a Ritz Camera when the Wolf chain closed down. I've been in there occasionally, but they never had much I was interested in. They were one of the few places that still maintained a mini-lab for Color Negative film. I don't know if they also did E-6 because there's a good pro-lab about 4 blocks closer to my house that I've been using for E-6 for years. I wonder how this will affect them, if the underlying store will be able to continue as an independent once again. Guess I'll have to wander by there and see. We still have two independent stores here in Raleigh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax releases data
On 12/09/2012 10:45 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: Ann, the tiny viewfinder, if I've done my math correctly, gives the same size image as that in the *ist-D, (which seems to be exactly the same unit used in the K20D), The K-5 differs in showing 100% frame coverage, with a slightly lower magnification. Compared to the finders in most mid to upper level APS-C DSLR's it's excellent. It's only when compared to the viewfinders in 24x36 format cameras that it seems tiny. Yes, the istD viewfinder is tiny as well. The APS-C format doesn't allow for a decent sized viewfinder, it is cropped, the same way that the format is cropped. In fact I just dragged out my ZX-5n and didn't find the K20D to be noticeably different in quality, and the image size only a tiny bit smaller. The image size is about 2/3 the size of a 35mm viewfinder, slightly smaller IIRC. I have an MZ-5, it has just about the worst viewfinder imaginable in a 35mm camera. Anyone who expects the finder in an APS-C SLR to give as big and bright a view as an LX, or one of the new 24x36 frame DSLRs, is kidding themselves, but compared to even an all glass pentaprism finder in a mid range SLR from the end of the film era it's pretty good. You've just moved into the twilight zone Peter. No one said anything about expecting an APC-C viewfinder to be as big as a 35mm viewfinder (until you decided to set it up as a false argument) The viewfinder in the K5, like the viewfinders in all APS-C finders, is small, and also suffers all the problems one would have when trying to focus a wide angle lens on a 35mm camera, because they are wide angle lenses due to the registration distance. Saying it's a good viewfinder because it has a nice pentaprism is just saying that it's dog breath is more palatable than the dog breath from another dog. In fact the Pentax magnifying eyepiece, I can't remember it's real name at the moment, pretty much brings the viewfinder image up in magnification to be almost exactly the same size as the ZX-5n. I highly recommend it to anyone who doesn't wear glasses. If you want accurate manual focusing with a cropped viewfinder, especially with shorter lenses, a magnifier is a necessity. On 9/12/2012 10:39 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: tiny view finder scares me a bit... My only wish was my ist-d was lots less noisy at 3200 and went up to 6400. seeing the great stuff in relatively low light I was seeing from youse guys that have the K-5 made for camera lust. but hey, I'm just dreamin anyway at this point. thanks for making me feel less deprived :-) ann On 9/12/2012 01:59, William Robb wrote: On 11/09/2012 7:20 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: In what way is the K-5 deficient in auto-focus? takes too long to get there, or doesnt get it right? It's pretty fast, depending on the lens, but is noticeably slower when compared to the midrange AF from the other guys. Mine is also very inaccurate under studio lights. I have to dial in the maximum AF bias to get close (really bad front focus), and unfortunately, it isn't consistent, so I never really know where it is going to focus. Under studio lights I am lucky to get an AF hit rate of 30% unless I go to live view, which combined with face detection is a decent alternative to focusing manually with the tiny viewfinder, and is accurate enough. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax releases data
On 12/09/2012 11:02 AM, Margus Männik wrote: Well, ok. What level of improvement could we theoretically expect? I've tried out most of the new currently available camera bodies. Most of 'em are not much different from K-5 in terms of focusing. Cameras of the same price range are often even worse, especially in accuracy of focusing. I would say, that some C* models in particular are fast, but not very accurate. When people are talking about superior AF of the other brands they very often do compare apples to the oranges (as you say in English). Either they are not even touched latest Pentaxes or they compare 'em to much more expensive models. We all have to admit - C* and N* flagships do have very good AF modules, they REALLY do. I had an opportunity to play a bit with Nikon D4 - it's really stellar. Times ago I had D3x set for a month - and it was not very easy to go back to my K20D afterwards. But can we really expect the same kind of performance from whatever Pentax body with ~1000-1500 EUR/USD pricetag? Wouldn't it be the same as to expect the freshly announced SuperTele lens at no more than 2000 EUR/USD? I compared the AF to Nikon's D7K and the EOS7D. Both are mid range cameras, and both run circles around the AF in the Pentax (which is on the slow side, and very unreliable in anything other than very good daylight conditions). -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The last Photokina speculation thread on PDML before Photokina
Ah, but that's just it. Pentax hasn't make any surprise announcements at any previous show for quite some time,. In fact I can't remember the last time they did something like that but it must have been when I was still selling cameras retail, (which was a very long time ago). I expect we've see all of Pentax's announcements until after Christmas. I could be wrong but that's when they announced the then ground breaking, (and yes it was at the time), K10D, and IIRC the K20D as well. In your case you're not running what is billed as and I quote ...the Most Popular and Fastest Updated Pentax Blog in the World!. So if you're predictions or mine for that matter are wrong, well we've been blowing off steam, we have made no claim to any special knowledge, just educated guesses, we've harmed no one. Ricewhine on the other hand is in that ratified strata of a**h***s sitting somewhere on the spectrum between those that get paid to screw up entire economies with flawed computer models and those who bilk old ladies out of their money running seances. On 9/12/2012 11:07 AM, Darren Addy wrote: As Boris said in the Ricewhine Postmortem thread, it may be wise to wait until after Photokina to say definitively that ALL the announcements have been made. My own predictions did worse than RiceHigh's. I got the K-mount adapter for the Q right (not too tough, after it was shown at the last CPP+) but I didn't see a lot of other people listing it. I got the superzoom lens right, but did not guess exactly the focal length range. ( said 16-250mm and it was 18-270mm, which is not too far off) I got the 560mm right, since that one was basically give to us by the Teacher (already leaked) I correctly guessed a new Q lens, but it wasn't the fast wide prime I hoped for - but the telephoto zoom. I'd give myself half-credit on that one. The other thing I got right was that Pentax would be offering a sans anti-alias filter option. Frankly, I thought that it would be on a 24MP model, but I'm glad it isn't. What Pentax is doing here is extremely interesting. They have recognized a good thing (I believe in an earlier conversation, Mark Roberts made a case for calling it a sweet spot for the 16MP Exmor sensor in the APS-C size. Pentax succeeded in building a 14-bit camera on top of that and doing more with it than even its creator Sony could. The K-5II and K-5IIs seem to be mostly refinements on that, but when you are refining the finest APS-C camera out there (at least from a pure IQ standpoint) that no one has YET surpassed (two years after it was announced) then I think that is a smart move. It's not smart from the standpoint of people who look at only megapixels as the measure of a camera, but Pentax is saying that's OK. We'd rather produce a camera that produces superb results across a very broad spectrum of ISOs, to one that starts to perform poorly at higher ISOs or *requires* post-processing noise reduction to get good results. There are also different market segments. There are people who can and will pay $3-3.3K for a Nikon D800/E body. There are people who will pay $2.3K for a Sony A99 full frame body. But I would argue that in terms of sheer numbers, there are less of them than will pay $1-1.3K for the finest APS-C body available. Now would Pentax benefit from servicing one of those higher markets? Sure, but not before they take care of their bread and butter class of customer. The question that still remains, regarding Photokina, is if these are the 9 product announcements or (since they combined some of them) there are still more announcements coming. I remain a little surprised that the 645DII was not announced. I'm guessing that it is not quite yet ready to come out of the oven. It also looks like Pentax has abandoned the low-end entry level DSLR, which I find a little sad. I would never have entered the Pentax upgrade stream if it hadn't been for the $500 K200D (and later the K-x). Now I'm a K-5 and Q owner. I think this is another serious marketing blunder, unless the K-z is still coming. Indications I got from my Authorized Pentax Dealer seemed to indicate that the K-30 is now the entry camera. Call me gullible, but I do think the Pentax FF is still coming and that it will be similar to the Sony A99. I think the rumors that Sony is requiring a 6 month lead time for their A99 before letting someone else use the sensor makes sense. But that means that if it isn't announced by April, I will have to assume that one is never coming. On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: For the purposes of discussion, let's assume that the Russian Pentax tweet about nine press release announcements coming in the next few days/weeks are going to cover Pentax (and Ricoh's) combined product announcements prior to unveiling them at Photokina. I think the 560mm telephoto and the 24MP APS-C K-3 are in the for sure category. That leaves us with 7 more announcements (and they could be for
Re: Pentax releases data
On Sep 12, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Margus Männik wrote: Well, ok. What level of improvement could we theoretically expect? My biggest complaint about AF is the size of the AF zones and the camera insisting on focusing on something close to what I want, but not what I want. Usually it is microphones or podiums (podia?). -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Geso The rest of the French Church photos
I'm a bit behind so apologies for late response. I love the BW rendering in these. Cemetery #2 is my favourite with more in the foreground. I just wonder whether the spire should be a little less central; but I still like it a lot. Chris On 5 September 2012 23:35, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote: Here are the rest (7) of the French church photos including some color versions. If you care to take the time to look. Someone (maybe Bob W. ( my mail program seems to have deleted some mail) asked about a color version. http://flic.kr/s/aHsjBX14vy http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157631426971118/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Hilltop Fmhse, Many Orig Features, Needs TLC
On 8 September 2012 23:08, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: ...as a realtor's/estate agent's listing might say. Yorkshire is full of these, which is a bit sad. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16443672size=lg (K-5, DA 16-45) Comments always welcome. Rick Definitely in need of slight renovation. A nice study of rural decay Rick. A photographer colleague has just returned from Malham at the Southern end of the Yorkshire Dales so I'm inundated with photos and an urge to go there some time. Maybe next year's long distance walk... Chris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax releases data
You missed my intention here, I was simply reassuring Ann that the K-5 was no worse and was in some ways better than her *ist-D viewfinder. On 9/12/2012 1:09 PM, William Robb wrote: On 12/09/2012 10:45 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: Ann, the tiny viewfinder, if I've done my math correctly, gives the same size image as that in the *ist-D, (which seems to be exactly the same unit used in the K20D), The K-5 differs in showing 100% frame coverage, with a slightly lower magnification. Compared to the finders in most mid to upper level APS-C DSLR's it's excellent. It's only when compared to the viewfinders in 24x36 format cameras that it seems tiny. Yes, the istD viewfinder is tiny as well. The APS-C format doesn't allow for a decent sized viewfinder, it is cropped, the same way that the format is cropped. In fact I just dragged out my ZX-5n and didn't find the K20D to be noticeably different in quality, and the image size only a tiny bit smaller. The image size is about 2/3 the size of a 35mm viewfinder, slightly smaller IIRC. I have an MZ-5, it has just about the worst viewfinder imaginable in a 35mm camera. Anyone who expects the finder in an APS-C SLR to give as big and bright a view as an LX, or one of the new 24x36 frame DSLRs, is kidding themselves, but compared to even an all glass pentaprism finder in a mid range SLR from the end of the film era it's pretty good. You've just moved into the twilight zone Peter. No one said anything about expecting an APC-C viewfinder to be as big as a 35mm viewfinder (until you decided to set it up as a false argument) The viewfinder in the K5, like the viewfinders in all APS-C finders, is small, and also suffers all the problems one would have when trying to focus a wide angle lens on a 35mm camera, because they are wide angle lenses due to the registration distance. Saying it's a good viewfinder because it has a nice pentaprism is just saying that it's dog breath is more palatable than the dog breath from another dog. In fact the Pentax magnifying eyepiece, I can't remember it's real name at the moment, pretty much brings the viewfinder image up in magnification to be almost exactly the same size as the ZX-5n. I highly recommend it to anyone who doesn't wear glasses. If you want accurate manual focusing with a cropped viewfinder, especially with shorter lenses, a magnifier is a necessity. On 9/12/2012 10:39 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: tiny view finder scares me a bit... My only wish was my ist-d was lots less noisy at 3200 and went up to 6400. seeing the great stuff in relatively low light I was seeing from youse guys that have the K-5 made for camera lust. but hey, I'm just dreamin anyway at this point. thanks for making me feel less deprived :-) ann On 9/12/2012 01:59, William Robb wrote: On 11/09/2012 7:20 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: In what way is the K-5 deficient in auto-focus? takes too long to get there, or doesnt get it right? It's pretty fast, depending on the lens, but is noticeably slower when compared to the midrange AF from the other guys. Mine is also very inaccurate under studio lights. I have to dial in the maximum AF bias to get close (really bad front focus), and unfortunately, it isn't consistent, so I never really know where it is going to focus. Under studio lights I am lucky to get an AF hit rate of 30% unless I go to live view, which combined with face detection is a decent alternative to focusing manually with the tiny viewfinder, and is accurate enough. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Ritz/Wolf camera chain going out of business, liquidation, starting now
Ritz did not franchise as far as I know, so they're probably gone. Ritz bought them out and they'll fold with the chain. On 9/12/2012 1:06 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: John Celio Ritz Camera (big US camera retail chain) is finally dead: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-10/ritz-camera-liquidation-approved-after-second-bankruptcy.html I will not miss them at all. Terrible stores, terrible selection, poorly-trained staff, etc. Hopefully local mom--pop camera shops will be able to return one day, when the economy improves, now that this behemoth is out of the way. If you're a deal hunter, people on Reddit.com are saying Ritz and Wolf stores are already liquidating everything (except their lab equipment). I don't recall ever seeing much Pentax stuff there, but you might find deals on accessories. John One of our local mom--pop stores had become a Wolf Camera store. I think they converted to a Ritz Camera when the Wolf chain closed down. I've been in there occasionally, but they never had much I was interested in. They were one of the few places that still maintained a mini-lab for Color Negative film. I don't know if they also did E-6 because there's a good pro-lab about 4 blocks closer to my house that I've been using for E-6 for years. I wonder how this will affect them, if the underlying store will be able to continue as an independent once again. Guess I'll have to wander by there and see. We still have two independent stores here in Raleigh. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Extreme cliche alert
A very nice landscape. No more a cliche than is a portrait or other typical subject. Paul On Sep 12, 2012, at 9:19 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent image; the composition raises it above the cliche. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: Take cover! Hipsters and other ironists need to avert their eyes double quick: https://plus.google.com/photos/107606703558161507946/albums/5787162101571364433/5787162104843336546 Yes, it’s a sunset. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Ritz/Wolf camera chain going out of business, liquidationstarting now
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Ritz/Wolf camera chain going out of business, liquidationstarting now Putin on a Ritz? Now that was cheesey On 9/12/2012 8:42 AM, Underpaid N. Overpentaxed wrote: Liquidation? Time to bring in this guy: http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Putin_9ec3a3_2420828.jpg Cheers Ecke in my area liquidated and shut down back when the K-7 was replacing the K20D, at which time they were trying to still sell K10Ds for full introductory price as a close out special. I don't think Pentax reps answered Ritz/Wolf's phone calls any more than they answer Milford Camera's, so I doubt anyone will find relatively current Pentax equipment at bargain prices, though I'll bet the liquidators will be trying to sell any new old stock Pentax *ist-D cameras they find at 10% off original list. On 9/11/2012 11:09 PM, John Celio wrote: Ritz Camera (big US camera retail chain) is finally dead: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-10/ritz-camera-liquidation-approved-after-second-bankruptcy.html I will not miss them at all. Terrible stores, terrible selection, poorly-trained staff, etc. Hopefully local mom--pop camera shops will be able to return one day, when the economy improves, now that this behemoth is out of the way. If you're a deal hunter, people on Reddit.com are saying Ritz and Wolf stores are already liquidating everything (except their lab equipment). I don't recall ever seeing much Pentax stuff there, but you might find deals on accessories. John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Ritz/Wolf camera chain going out of business, liquidationstarting now
On Sep 12, 2012, at 12:55 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Ritz/Wolf camera chain going out of business, liquidationstarting now Putin on a Ritz? Now that was cheesey I think that you're Russian to judgement on that one. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Ritz/Wolf camera chain going out of business, liquidationstarting now
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: Re: OT: Ritz/Wolf camera chain going out of business,liquidationstarting now On Sep 12, 2012, at 12:55 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Ritz/Wolf camera chain going out of business, liquidationstarting now Putin on a Ritz? Now that was cheesey I think that you're Russian to judgement on that one. So vi et -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
Still shooting with the K10 here. K5 was attractive but I haven't been shooting enough to justify ANOTHER thousand dollar camera. When I bought the used I decided it was the last PS camera I'd buy because my phone takes decent pictures and the ease of sharing with the network is just a killer feature. So now the K-5II. And the question: Is the face that it's a specialized tool offset the fact that it doesn't connect to the internet? Another way: Do i ever want another camera that doesn't have network capability? I don't know yet. Is it silly that I can buy a phone for so little that DOES share photos and a camera for so much that doesn't? Hell yes. I mean, what are 90% of us doing with any of these photos anyway? Could CanNikon and the rest NOT really understand this? Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Geso The rest of the French Church photos, Message-ID:
Thanks Chris, This place can be tough to keep up with. I sure get behind and have trouble keeping current with my comments. But it never too late to comment on a picture. So thanks for taking the time. Yes now I want to covert every picture to BW but that's just wrong. I have gone back forth on the placement and cropping. I have decided that this church deserves to be solidly in center. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 3 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:22:55 +0100 From: Chris Mitchellchris.mitch...@which.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Geso The rest of the French Church photos Message-ID: capxfea7wq7oj3akkagqssifelzjcij20tqho5tsts4sjxp1...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm a bit behind so apologies for late response. I love the BW rendering in these. Cemetery #2 is my favourite with more in the foreground. I just wonder whether the spire should be a little less central; but I still like it a lot. Chris On 5 September 2012 23:35, Don Guthrieshark50...@gmail.com wrote: Here are the rest (7) of the French church photos including some color versions. If you care to take the time to look. Someone (maybe Bob W. ( my mail program seems to have deleted some mail) asked about a color version. http://flic.kr/s/aHsjBX14vy http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157631426971118/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
On 9/12/12 5:02 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Apparently, I'm in that 10% minority not having enough a reason for suddenly polluting the world with each and any piece of crap I take... Dario i just post the crap I like. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
Oh Dario, I didn't say anything about posting EVERYthing to the public, did I? But wouldn't it be nice, in the world of shared data plans, to add your camera to your account and have it upload your shots to some cloud vault during your shoot? You'd have all your crap photos backed-up in case you drop your card in the lake... And if, by chance you actually take a photo you're proud of, you COULD share it with the world On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Apparently, I'm in that 10% minority not having enough a reason for suddenly polluting the world with each and any piece of crap I take... Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Extreme cliche alert
On 9/13/12 10:59 AM, Walt wrote: I agree wholeheartedly and more than a little self-servingly. -- Walt hey Walt, what's it like 24 hours in the future? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ritz/Wolf camera chain going out of business, liquidation, starting now
When Ritz/Wolf originally went into Chapter 11, as a creditor, Hoya decided to no longer do business with the chain. Hence very little Pentax equipment. Larry in Dallas -Original Message- From: P. J. Alling Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:18 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: Ritz/Wolf camera chain going out of business, liquidation,starting now Ritz did not franchise as far as I know, so they're probably gone. Ritz bought them out and they'll fold with the chain. On 9/12/2012 1:06 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: John Celio Ritz Camera (big US camera retail chain) is finally dead: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-10/ritz-camera-liquidation-approved-after-second-bankruptcy.html I will not miss them at all. Terrible stores, terrible selection, poorly-trained staff, etc. Hopefully local mom--pop camera shops will be able to return one day, when the economy improves, now that this behemoth is out of the way. If you're a deal hunter, people on Reddit.com are saying Ritz and Wolf stores are already liquidating everything (except their lab equipment). I don't recall ever seeing much Pentax stuff there, but you might find deals on accessories. John One of our local mom--pop stores had become a Wolf Camera store. I think they converted to a Ritz Camera when the Wolf chain closed down. I've been in there occasionally, but they never had much I was interested in. They were one of the few places that still maintained a mini-lab for Color Negative film. I don't know if they also did E-6 because there's a good pro-lab about 4 blocks closer to my house that I've been using for E-6 for years. I wonder how this will affect them, if the underlying store will be able to continue as an independent once again. Guess I'll have to wander by there and see. We still have two independent stores here in Raleigh. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
Apparently, I'm in that 10% minority not having enough a reason for suddenly polluting the world with each and any piece of crap I take... Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Cory Waters Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that? Still shooting with the K10 here. K5 was attractive but I haven't been shooting enough to justify ANOTHER thousand dollar camera. When I bought the used I decided it was the last PS camera I'd buy because my phone takes decent pictures and the ease of sharing with the network is just a killer feature. So now the K-5II. And the question: Is the face that it's a specialized tool offset the fact that it doesn't connect to the internet? Another way: Do i ever want another camera that doesn't have network capability? I don't know yet. Is it silly that I can buy a phone for so little that DOES share photos and a camera for so much that doesn't? Hell yes. I mean, what are 90% of us doing with any of these photos anyway? Could CanNikon and the rest NOT really understand this? Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2012.0.2221 / Database dei virus: 2437/5264 - Data di rilascio: 12/09/2012 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
On Sep 12, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Cory Waters cbwaters.p...@gmail.com wrote: Oh Dario, I didn't say anything about posting EVERYthing to the public, did I? But wouldn't it be nice, in the world of shared data plans, to add your camera to your account and have it upload your shots to some cloud vault during your shoot? You'd have all your crap photos backed-up in case you drop your card in the lake... I would love a cloud vault option to be used during a shoot--especially good during travel. And I'd like the cloud vault linked to Lightroom so I could down load the RAW files right into my Lightroom library. Now that would be cool. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
Hi Cory, I was referring neither to your precise wording nor to PDML in particular, but rather to a general tendency to share far more pics than you (I) can withstand via Flickr/Facebook/Instagram/whatevernewfashionsocialblob... Oh, yeah, I'm probably just tired of being working 15 hours a day for the last two weeks... forgive me. Dario (back to work) -Messaggio originale- From: Cory Waters Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:07 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that? Oh Dario, I didn't say anything about posting EVERYthing to the public, did I? But wouldn't it be nice, in the world of shared data plans, to add your camera to your account and have it upload your shots to some cloud vault during your shoot? You'd have all your crap photos backed-up in case you drop your card in the lake... And if, by chance you actually take a photo you're proud of, you COULD share it with the world On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Apparently, I'm in that 10% minority not having enough a reason for suddenly polluting the world with each and any piece of crap I take... Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2012.0.2221 / Database dei virus: 2437/5264 - Data di rilascio: 12/09/2012 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Extreme cliche alert
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Doug Brewer On 9/13/12 10:59 AM, Walt wrote: I agree wholeheartedly and more than a little self-servingly. -- Walt hey Walt, what's it like 24 hours in the future? who the hell cares? Just tell us the results of all the horse races. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
About that cloud vault, I won't say it's bad (actually I think it's a good idea), but it isn't high in my priorities, sure not enough for being a must when purchasing a camera. One next day I could change my mind on this, but now a better AF/metering/whatever photo-related is much more important to me (in a camera). Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Cory Waters Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:07 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that? Oh Dario, I didn't say anything about posting EVERYthing to the public, did I? But wouldn't it be nice, in the world of shared data plans, to add your camera to your account and have it upload your shots to some cloud vault during your shoot? You'd have all your crap photos backed-up in case you drop your card in the lake... And if, by chance you actually take a photo you're proud of, you COULD share it with the world On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Apparently, I'm in that 10% minority not having enough a reason for suddenly polluting the world with each and any piece of crap I take... Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2012.0.2221 / Database dei virus: 2437/5264 - Data di rilascio: 12/09/2012 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
on 2012-09-12 14:53 Cory Waters wrote Another way: Do i ever want another camera that doesn't have network capability? unless the network connectivity is faster than the SD slot in the side of my compturer, i don't have a strong desire for a wireless connection in a camera I mean, what are 90% of us doing with any of these photos anyway? the photos i take with my phone are almost all notes with a short time of importance; i do share them, but rarely manipulate them the photos i take with my camera are sometimes notes, and there perhaps a network connection would make a difference, but the vast majority of these photos i need to see on a larger display to classify and possibly manipulate; and very few of these do i share anyway -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
On 12 September 2012 16:53, Cory Waters cbwaters.p...@gmail.com wrote: Still shooting with the K10 here. K5 was attractive but I haven't been shooting enough to justify ANOTHER thousand dollar camera. When I bought the used I decided it was the last PS camera I'd buy because my phone takes decent pictures and the ease of sharing with the network is just a killer feature. So now the K-5II. And the question: Is the face that it's a specialized tool offset the fact that it doesn't connect to the internet? Another way: Do i ever want another camera that doesn't have network capability? I don't know yet. Is it silly that I can buy a phone for so little that DOES share photos and a camera for so much that doesn't? Hell yes. I mean, what are 90% of us doing with any of these photos anyway? Could CanNikon and the rest NOT really understand this? Cory Thom Hogan has been arguing in favour of connectivity for a couple of years now. Sony and Samsung are finally starting to equip mirrorless cameras with WiFi so I expect it will take a few years still for it to trickle up to DSLRs. I expect Sony to be the first (if they haven't already done it on the A99; I don't know, I haven't checked; and yes, I know it's not a DSLR but it's in the same size and purpose category). I would expect Pentax to be the last to incorporate this feature. As for me, I find that I like sharing snapshots from my phone with the Social Interwebs. As for my real photography, I need to let it simmer in my hard drive before I pound it into BW and eventually upload it to my website. Of course, I often take snapshots with my real camera and would like to upload them, but can't. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Extreme cliche alert
Doug Brewer wrote: On 9/13/12 10:59 AM, Walt wrote: I agree wholeheartedly and more than a little self-servingly. hey Walt, what's it like 24 hours in the future? You'll have to check the archives. Walt answered your question yesterday. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax releases data
On Sep 11, 2012, at 10:02 , a bunch of us wrote stuff, among which was: I wrote: But they never say how much better. If it isn't an Industry Breakthrough it is probably about the same as the K-10 to K-7 improvement. Just a little bit. Paul wrote: Ir'a hard to quantify improvements in autofocus, but the K-5 is definitely deficient in that regard, so I expect a substantial improvement. Hope I'm right. Paul I sold my two K-20s to buy a K-5, in large part because those first responders cried how great/accurate/swift the AF was on the K-5. Now Paul, who I respect as a camera sensitive pro who makes money with his tool(s), tells me it's deficient? I don't think so myself, as it seems to get it right more often than not, almost every time if you auto-focus twice. It tries to track moving objects, doing better than my K-7. What no PENTAX does that I've owned is predictive follow focus. Memory is old and foggy, but I think my PZ-1p was better at that than any of their current DSLRs. I may be wrong on that, but it seems to smoothly follow a moving race car or running doggie, predicting where it will be when the shutter trips the next time (with shutter button down in fast multiple shots). The K series that I've had from *ist-D to K-5 seems to (covering my butt before any with better knowledge than I chime in) focus, stop focusing, focus, stop focusing, focus. In the K-5 the first, third, and fifth images will be the best. The others taken while the camera is still focused at the last photo. My K-7 would have the second photo in focus, and never catch up. Not that I can claim to always have a dogs eye, or even head, in the AF sweet spot all the time. If you try to use all 11 focus points under those circumstances, the camera will randomly decide the tree in the background is prettier than the dog running at you, past you, or away from you. I have more anal shots of dogs than head shots - they seem to know, and turn away. The PENTAX camera always sees the contrast of a dog's bung-hole as a likely fecal-focal target. I'll have to bring my clicker or dog-whistle to the park this afternoon. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ It is still true, as was first said many years ago, that people are the only sophisticated computing devices that can be made at low cost by unskilled workers!” — Martin G. Wolf, PhD -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Ritz/Wolf camera chain going out of business, liquidationstarting now
I nominate this exchange as the best (and shortest) pun string to date, including the PS'd illustration. On Sep 12, 2012, at 13:12 , kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: Re: OT: Ritz/Wolf camera chain going out of business,liquidationstarting now On Sep 12, 2012, at 12:55 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Ritz/Wolf camera chain going out of business, liquidationstarting now Putin on a Ritz? Now that was cheesey I think that you're Russian to judgement on that one. So vi et -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: On Sep 12, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Cory Waters cbwaters.p...@gmail.com wrote: Oh Dario, I didn't say anything about posting EVERYthing to the public, did I? But wouldn't it be nice, in the world of shared data plans, to add your camera to your account and have it upload your shots to some cloud vault during your shoot? You'd have all your crap photos backed-up in case you drop your card in the lake... I would love a cloud vault option to be used during a shoot--especially good during travel. And I'd like the cloud vault linked to Lightroom so I could down load the RAW files right into my Lightroom library. Now that would be cool. Cheers, Christine I don't think this is yet practical. Assuming the camera has built-in Verizon 4G LTE, and you shoot 400 RAWs in one outing, your camera will be pushing files up to the cloud for more than 50 minutes. If you don't have the fastest service presently available, considerably longer. This will likely deplete your battery, by the way. You'd have plenty of time to drop your camera in the lake. :-) - an 8 Megabyte RAW is 64 megabits - Verizon 4G LTE uploads at 6.46 megabits/sec average http://www.bgr.com/2012/06/19/verizons-4g-lte-network-outperforms-att/ -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
On Sep 12, 2012, at 13:53 , Cory Waters wrote: Still shooting with the K10 here. K5 was attractive but I haven't been shooting enough to justify ANOTHER thousand dollar camera. When I bought the used I decided it was the last PS camera I'd buy because my phone takes decent pictures and the ease of sharing with the network is just a killer feature. So now the K-5II. And the question: Is the face that it's a specialized tool offset the fact that it doesn't connect to the internet? Another way: Do i ever want another camera that doesn't have network capability? I don't know yet. Is it silly that I can buy a phone for so little that DOES share photos and a camera for so much that doesn't? Hell yes. I mean, what are 90% of us doing with any of these photos anyway? Could CanNikon and the rest NOT really understand this? Because we are not dealing with the expense of film, it may seem like a good way to go. But the monthly charges entailed in having a phone embedded in the camera would be an ongoing expense of several hundred dollars a month. Plus you would have to design a DSLR that wouldn't look ridiculous holding up to your ear. PLUS to just have cell phone, you'd have to carry your PENTANICANON with you all the time. (Not a bad thing, but burdensome) Got the picture? Addendum - if the PENTAX had a built in WiFi, and your iPhone talked to it, you would only be carrying the camera when needed. Try making a short USB Pentax cable with one of those WiFi SD cards hanging out of the camera data door, talking to your iPhone, which in turn was connected to the Internet, and YouTube! There (should be) an APP for that! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax releases data
The PENTAX camera always sees the contrast of a dog's bung-hole as a likely fecal-focal target. Mark! I'll have to bring my clicker or dog-whistle to the park this afternoon. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com It is still true, as was first said many years ago, that people are the only sophisticated computing devices that can be made at low cost by unskilled workers! - Martin G. Wolf, PhD -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Sharpe d...@eastlink.ca http://earth.delith.com/photo_gallery.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
potato flowers
Some potato flowers in the garden. I was playing with a flash bracket, but I think the best one was without a flash: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/7980973555/lightbox/ from: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631522670588/ I think the flash setup ended up working well for getting pictures of spiders: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631522590432/ And better yet, was done with things I already had, so I didn't need to spend money on a ring flash. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
On Sep 12, 2012, at 6:12 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: On Sep 12, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Cory Waters cbwaters.p...@gmail.com wrote: Oh Dario, I didn't say anything about posting EVERYthing to the public, did I? But wouldn't it be nice, in the world of shared data plans, to add your camera to your account and have it upload your shots to some cloud vault during your shoot? You'd have all your crap photos backed-up in case you drop your card in the lake... I would love a cloud vault option to be used during a shoot--especially good during travel. And I'd like the cloud vault linked to Lightroom so I could down load the RAW files right into my Lightroom library. Now that would be cool. Cheers, Christine I don't think this is yet practical. Assuming the camera has built-in Verizon 4G LTE, and you shoot 400 RAWs in one outing, your camera will be pushing files up to the cloud for more than 50 minutes. If you don't have the fastest service presently available, considerably longer. This will likely deplete your battery, by the way. You'd have plenty of time to drop your camera in the lake. :-) - an 8 Megabyte RAW is 64 megabits - Verizon 4G LTE uploads at 6.46 megabits/sec average http://www.bgr.com/2012/06/19/verizons-4g-lte-network-outperforms- It's a dream, Bruce, that I hope some day comes true--that is, we'll have the technology to greatly trim that 50 minute wait down to a few minutes wait. Just a wishful dream. Cheers, Christine -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
On 9/12/2012 5:07 PM, Doug Brewer wrote: On 9/12/12 5:02 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Apparently, I'm in that 10% minority not having enough a reason for suddenly polluting the world with each and any piece of crap I take... Dario i just post the crap I like. Hell, at least half the time I don't even post the crap I like, because... Well because it's kind of embarrassing that I like it. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso Copper at the door
He looks so sad. Yet a dog with wet paws and a bride are a match, a match made in hell. On 9/12/2012 6:44 PM, David J Brooks wrote: Seems a bride in white and a dog with wet paws are no match: http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/7980901349/in/photostream Dave, D200, 18-70, SB800 -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Extreme cliche alert
On 9/12/12 6:12 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: On 9/13/12 10:59 AM, Walt wrote: I agree wholeheartedly and more than a little self-servingly. hey Walt, what's it like 24 hours in the future? You'll have to check the archives. Walt answered your question yesterday. well, that was a timely reply. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:53 PM, Cory Waters wrote: Still shooting with the K10 here. K5 was attractive but I haven't been shooting enough to justify ANOTHER thousand dollar camera. When I bought the used I decided it was the last PS camera I'd buy because my phone takes decent pictures and the ease of sharing with the network is just a killer feature. So now the K-5II. And the question: Is the face that it's a specialized tool offset the fact that it doesn't connect to the internet? Another way: Do i ever want another camera that doesn't have network capability? Raw files on the K5 are about 25MB, if you have 25Mb wireless service (i.e. monopolizing 802.11) that's about ten seconds per file to upload. I don't know yet. Is it silly that I can buy a phone for so little that DOES share photos and a camera for so much that doesn't? Hell yes. I mean, what are 90% of us doing with any of these photos anyway? I don't know about you, but I shoot in raw, upload to a real computer, and despite appearances, throw out the vast majority of my frames. I then go through and process those photos to bring them up to acceptable standards. One big reason for my 25 year hiatus from active photography was the lack of ability to process them the way I want. I certainly don't want to dick around trying to process the photos on my camera with its tiny processor and tiny screen. Could CanNikon and the rest NOT really understand this? I suppose that it would be a good feature for people who buy a DSLR and use it like a point and shoot. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
On Sep 12, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: On Sep 12, 2012, at 13:53 , Cory Waters wrote: Still shooting with the K10 here. K5 was attractive but I haven't been shooting enough to justify ANOTHER thousand dollar camera. When I bought the used I decided it was the last PS camera I'd buy because my phone takes decent pictures and the ease of sharing with the network is just a killer feature. So now the K-5II. And the question: Is the face that it's a specialized tool offset the fact that it doesn't connect to the internet? Another way: Do i ever want another camera that doesn't have network capability? I don't know yet. Is it silly that I can buy a phone for so little that DOES share photos and a camera for so much that doesn't? Hell yes. I mean, what are 90% of us doing with any of these photos anyway? Could CanNikon and the rest NOT really understand this? Because we are not dealing with the expense of film, it may seem like a good way to go. But the monthly charges entailed in having a phone embedded in the camera would be an ongoing expense of several hundred dollars a month. Plus you would have to design a DSLR that wouldn't look ridiculous holding up to your ear. PLUS to just have cell phone, you'd have to carry your PENTANICANON with you all the time. (Not a bad thing, but burdensome) http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57502333-94/samsung-bets-on-android-powered-networked-camera/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
Christine Aguila wrote: On Sep 12, 2012, at 6:12 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this is yet practical. Assuming the camera has built-in Verizon 4G LTE, and you shoot 400 RAWs in one outing, your camera will be pushing files up to the cloud for more than 50 minutes. If you don't have the fastest service presently available, considerably longer. This will likely deplete your battery, by the way. You'd have plenty of time to drop your camera in the lake. :-) - an 8 Megabyte RAW is 64 megabits - Verizon 4G LTE uploads at 6.46 megabits/sec average http://www.bgr.com/2012/06/19/verizons-4g-lte-network-outperforms- It's a dream, Bruce, that I hope some day comes true--that is, we'll have the technology to greatly trim that 50 minute wait down to a few minutes wait. Just a wishful dream. Cheers, Christine It will remain a dream: By that time we'll be shooting raw files that are a lot bigger than used in Bruce's calculations above, which will cancel out the increase in bandwidth. :-) (Personally, I have zero interest in an SLR with a network link. That's what phone cams are for.) -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Extreme cliche alert
Doug Brewer wrote: On 9/12/12 6:12 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: On 9/13/12 10:59 AM, Walt wrote: I agree wholeheartedly and more than a little self-servingly. hey Walt, what's it like 24 hours in the future? You'll have to check the archives. Walt answered your question yesterday. well, that was a timely reply. And you got it direct from me (as opposed to... second hand) -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:33 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/12/2012 5:07 PM, Doug Brewer wrote: On 9/12/12 5:02 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Apparently, I'm in that 10% minority not having enough a reason for suddenly polluting the world with each and any piece of crap I take... Dario i just post the crap I like. Hell, at least half the time I don't even post the crap I like, because... Well because it's kind of embarrassing that I like it. Suddenly, I have a desire to see this possibly kinky stuff. :-) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
From: Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com But the monthly charges entailed in having a phone embedded in the camera would be an ongoing expense of several hundred dollars a month. Plus you would have to design a DSLR that wouldn't look ridiculous holding up to your ear. PLUS to just have cell phone, you'd have to carry your PENTANICANON with you all the time. (Not a bad thing, but burdensome) Got the picture? But WHAT IF, the camera phone was shaped like a shoe with a rotary dial??? That would be smart! get it? Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
On 9/12/2012 8:29 PM, Tom C wrote: From: Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com But the monthly charges entailed in having a phone embedded in the camera would be an ongoing expense of several hundred dollars a month. Plus you would have to design a DSLR that wouldn't look ridiculous holding up to your ear. PLUS to just have cell phone, you'd have to carry your PENTANICANON with you all the time. (Not a bad thing, but burdensome) Got the picture? But WHAT IF, the camera phone was shaped like a shoe with a rotary dial??? That would be smart! get it? Tom C. So you'd be the first to get [the] smart phone? -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Extreme cliche alert
On 9/12/2012 4:17 PM, Doug Brewer wrote: On 9/13/12 10:59 AM, Walt wrote: I agree wholeheartedly and more than a little self-servingly. -- Walt hey Walt, what's it like 24 hours in the future? Not so bad. When I finally got back, I had all the yard work done. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
DA* 55/1.4 SDM reviewed by DxOMark
Accidentally stumbled on this review of the DA* 55, published yesterday ... http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Publications/DxOMark-Reviews/Pentax-smc-DA-Star-55mm-f-1.4-SDM It's also compared to other 50mm/f:1.4's including Canon, Nikon and Pentax's FA 50. Fares well, chromatic aberration score beats everything else, but they don't like the price or resolution map wide open. Despite all that, it still gets kick-ass shots for me, and it's still my fave lens. :-) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Bumper Cars
Last month a fun fair came to town: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/09/bumper-cars.html Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. More to come, maybe. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
On 2012-09-12 19:12, Bruce Walker wrote: I don't think this is yet practical. Assuming the camera has built-in Verizon 4G LTE, and you shoot 400 RAWs in one outing, your camera will be pushing files up to the cloud for more than 50 minutes. I'd be happy enough with 802.11b/g, or especially /n, to a server running on a laptop, if the camera would opportunistically send files over as continuously as possible. I have no idea how much power that requires as compared to the power consumed by the rest of the camera system. -- Doug Lefty Franklin NutDriver Racing http://NutDriver.org Facebook NutDriver Racing Sponsored by Murphy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax releases data
And the only problem with that is now I have renewed K-5 lust :-) ann On 9/12/2012 15:07, P. J. Alling wrote: You missed my intention here, I was simply reassuring Ann that the K-5 was no worse and was in some ways better than her *ist-D viewfinder. On 9/12/2012 1:09 PM, William Robb wrote: On 12/09/2012 10:45 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: Ann, the tiny viewfinder, if I've done my math correctly, gives the same size image as that in the *ist-D, (which seems to be exactly the same unit used in the K20D), The K-5 differs in showing 100% frame coverage, with a slightly lower magnification. Compared to the finders in most mid to upper level APS-C DSLR's it's excellent. It's only when compared to the viewfinders in 24x36 format cameras that it seems tiny. Yes, the istD viewfinder is tiny as well. The APS-C format doesn't allow for a decent sized viewfinder, it is cropped, the same way that the format is cropped. In fact I just dragged out my ZX-5n and didn't find the K20D to be noticeably different in quality, and the image size only a tiny bit smaller. The image size is about 2/3 the size of a 35mm viewfinder, slightly smaller IIRC. I have an MZ-5, it has just about the worst viewfinder imaginable in a 35mm camera. Anyone who expects the finder in an APS-C SLR to give as big and bright a view as an LX, or one of the new 24x36 frame DSLRs, is kidding themselves, but compared to even an all glass pentaprism finder in a mid range SLR from the end of the film era it's pretty good. You've just moved into the twilight zone Peter. No one said anything about expecting an APC-C viewfinder to be as big as a 35mm viewfinder (until you decided to set it up as a false argument) The viewfinder in the K5, like the viewfinders in all APS-C finders, is small, and also suffers all the problems one would have when trying to focus a wide angle lens on a 35mm camera, because they are wide angle lenses due to the registration distance. Saying it's a good viewfinder because it has a nice pentaprism is just saying that it's dog breath is more palatable than the dog breath from another dog. In fact the Pentax magnifying eyepiece, I can't remember it's real name at the moment, pretty much brings the viewfinder image up in magnification to be almost exactly the same size as the ZX-5n. I highly recommend it to anyone who doesn't wear glasses. If you want accurate manual focusing with a cropped viewfinder, especially with shorter lenses, a magnifier is a necessity. On 9/12/2012 10:39 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: tiny view finder scares me a bit... My only wish was my ist-d was lots less noisy at 3200 and went up to 6400. seeing the great stuff in relatively low light I was seeing from youse guys that have the K-5 made for camera lust. but hey, I'm just dreamin anyway at this point. thanks for making me feel less deprived :-) ann On 9/12/2012 01:59, William Robb wrote: On 11/09/2012 7:20 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: In what way is the K-5 deficient in auto-focus? takes too long to get there, or doesnt get it right? It's pretty fast, depending on the lens, but is noticeably slower when compared to the midrange AF from the other guys. Mine is also very inaccurate under studio lights. I have to dial in the maximum AF bias to get close (really bad front focus), and unfortunately, it isn't consistent, so I never really know where it is going to focus. Under studio lights I am lucky to get an AF hit rate of 30% unless I go to live view, which combined with face detection is a decent alternative to focusing manually with the tiny viewfinder, and is accurate enough. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: But WHAT IF, the camera phone was shaped like a shoe with a rotary dial??? That would be smart! get it? To: Pentax Marketing Dept. This pic: http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/2360/Get-Smart-get-smart-original-series-23604583-300-400.jpg With the catch phrase: Get Smart, Get Pentax (Missed it by THAT much!) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso Copper at the door
Dave, That's a picture of 'forlorn'. Bob S. On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:44 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Seems a bride in white and a dog with wet paws are no match: http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/7980901349/in/photostream Dave, D200, 18-70, SB800 -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
I would rather have an ethernet port that could be plugged into an external wifi or phone modem. In theory USB 3 could do something similar. Or a bidirectional optical port with a pair if IREDs and detecters. Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote: On 2012-09-12 19:12, Bruce Walker wrote: I don't think this is yet practical. Assuming the camera has built-in Verizon 4G LTE, and you shoot 400 RAWs in one outing, your camera will be pushing files up to the cloud for more than 50 minutes. I'd be happy enough with 802.11b/g, or especially /n, to a server running on a laptop, if the camera would opportunistically send files over as continuously as possible. I have no idea how much power that requires as compared to the power consumed by the rest of the camera system. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
i just post the crap I like. Yo Mark! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com Subject: Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that? On 9/12/12 5:02 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Apparently, I'm in that 10% minority not having enough a reason for suddenly polluting the world with each and any piece of crap I take... Dario i just post the crap I like. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
From: Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: But WHAT IF, the camera phone was shaped like a shoe with a rotary dial??? That would be smart! get it? To: Pentax Marketing Dept. This pic: http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/2360/Get-Smart-get-smart-original-series-23604583-300-400.jpg With the catch phrase: Get Smart, Get Pentax (Missed it by THAT much!) You got it! The day may come, if man's system continues long enough, that cameras will become extinct. We see it. We record it. We store it. We process it (however that may be). The human brain is by far the greatest computer ever created, barring physical knowledge of others. These artifices we use now may become completely passe. Tom C. (yes I realize most of you will think this is the weirdest thing I ever said). Think about it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Geso The rest of the French Church photos, Message-ID:
I really like that building... I think the bw is a bit _too_ dramatic - doesnt look quite real to me... Haven't seen the color version of the long shot... I've missed your earlier posts, I guess... French church cemetary number2 is what I'm looking at... a tad less contrast in the clouds maybe would do it? I'ts like if you had black and white film and you shot that scene with a red filter instead of an orange... IT's very close to being really marvelous ann On 9/12/2012 17:00, Don Guthrie wrote: Thanks Chris, This place can be tough to keep up with. I sure get behind and have trouble keeping current with my comments. But it never too late to comment on a picture. So thanks for taking the time. Yes now I want to covert every picture to BW but that's just wrong. I have gone back forth on the placement and cropping. I have decided that this church deserves to be solidly in center. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 3 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:22:55 +0100 From: Chris Mitchellchris.mitch...@which.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Geso The rest of the French Church photos Message-ID: capxfea7wq7oj3akkagqssifelzjcij20tqho5tsts4sjxp1...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm a bit behind so apologies for late response. I love the BW rendering in these. Cemetery #2 is my favourite with more in the foreground. I just wonder whether the spire should be a little less central; but I still like it a lot. Chris On 5 September 2012 23:35, Don Guthrieshark50...@gmail.com wrote: Here are the rest (7) of the French church photos including some color versions. If you care to take the time to look. Someone (maybe Bob W. ( my mail program seems to have deleted some mail) asked about a color version. http://flic.kr/s/aHsjBX14vy http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157631426971118/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso Copper at the door
Cool pic. I’d probably crop in a bit to just have pooch screen, and maybe punch up the contrast a bit. -T On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 3:44 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Seems a bride in white and a dog with wet paws are no match: http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/7980901349/in/photostream Dave, D200, 18-70, SB800 -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So... K-5II huh? But without a net work link, Do I want that?
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 05:07:51PM -0400, Cory Waters wrote: But wouldn't it be nice, in the world of shared data plans, to add your camera to your account and have it upload your shots to some cloud vault during your shoot? You'd have all your crap photos backed-up in case you drop your card in the lake... And if, by chance you actually take a photo you're proud of, you COULD share it with the world That brilliant photograph you decide to share with the world after a long evening getting accquainted with fruit (or grain) byproducts might not seem quite so wise in the cold (and sober) light of morning. There's a lot to be said for *not* uploading anything for at least 24 hours. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The last Photokina speculation thread on PDML before Photokina
On 13 September 2012 01:07, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: There are also different market segments. There are people who can and will pay $3-3.3K for a Nikon D800/E body. There are people who will pay $2.3K for a Sony A99 full frame body. But I would argue that in terms of sheer numbers, there are less of them than will pay $1-1.3K for the finest APS-C body available. Now would Pentax benefit from servicing one of those higher markets? Sure, but not before they take care of their bread and butter class of customer. The Nikon D600 FX format is $2,099.95 SRP, http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Products/Product/Digital-SLR-Cameras/25488/D600.html Full frame is coming down and will continue until there is very little dollar difference between the two formats. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
