Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce & Popper

2021-10-07 Thread E Valentine Daniel
s worked on this intersection, > the French philosopher, Christiane Chauvire. But there must be others. > > As a footnote, my professional background is in strategic management, not in > philosophy. I am interested in Peircean philosophy, and especially his work > on semiotic triangles, given that I believe it

[PEIRCE-L] Deadline extended Workshop "Logic(s) in Defective Science"

2021-10-07 Thread Luis Felipe Bartolo Alegre
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Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce & Popper

2021-10-07 Thread Edwina Taborsky
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Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: Peirce & Popper

2021-10-07 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
, > but am just speculating) then we have a dot of sorts which corresponds to > icon? > > I have never really been able to make much headway with the graphs... Also > really good to see some discussions in past couple of days. > > Best > > Jack > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L

[PEIRCE-L] Improving the quality of discussions (was Abracadabra

2021-10-07 Thread sowa @bestweb.net
Gary R, When people make statements on Peirce-L, they usually have a good reason for making them. If one happens to disagree with them, it's far better (more fruitful and more likely to lead to a deeper understanding) to ask a question than to contradict what they said. I agree

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce & Popper

2021-10-07 Thread Edwina Taborsky
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Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: Peirce & Popper

2021-10-07 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
within each line, but am just speculating) then we have a dot of sorts which corresponds to icon? I have never really been able to make much headway with the graphs... Also really good to see some discussions in past couple of days. Best Jack From: peirce-l-requ

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce & Popper

2021-10-07 Thread Margaretha Hendrickx
lopment of a society. > > > Responding to > > On Thu 07/10/21 9:48 AM , Margaretha Hendrickx mahe3...@gmail.com sent: > > List, > > How many of you are working on -- or interested in -- studying the > connection between the philosophy of Karl Popper and Charles Peirce? > > &

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce & Popper

2021-10-07 Thread Martin W. Kettelhut
hy of Karl Popper and Charles Peirce? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce & Popper

2021-10-07 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ou are working on -- or interested in -- studying the >> connection between the philosophy of Karl Popper and Charles Peirce? >> >> So far, I know of only one philosopher who has worked on this >> intersection, the French philosopher, Christiane Chauvire. But there must >> be

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce & Popper

2021-10-07 Thread robert marty
; So far, I know of only one philosopher who has worked on this >> intersection, the French philosopher, Christiane Chauvire. But there must >> be others. >> >> As a footnote, my professional background is in strategic management, not >> in philosophy. I am interested in Peircean philoso

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce & Popper

2021-10-07 Thread Ben Udell
te, my professional background is in strategic management, not in philosophy. I am interested in Peircean philosophy, and especially his work on semiotic triangles, given that I believe it provides some key answers to epistemological problems in management research. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L sub

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce & Popper

2021-10-07 Thread robert marty
rs. > > As a footnote, my professional background is in strategic management, not > in philosophy. I am interested in Peircean philosophy, and especially his > work on semiotic triangles, given that I believe it provides some key > answers to epistemological problems in manageme

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Immune System Metaphor (ISM)

2021-10-07 Thread Jon Awbrey
oncentrate their reflections on *their own participation* on Peirce-L. For I agree with what Margaretha wrote earlier today that "It is all a manner of deliberate and critical self-reflection on what one gets from being and participating on this ListServ." A short while back Gary

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce & Popper

2021-10-07 Thread Peter Skagestad
stematically, > but one point in my book Turning Signs about a metaphor they both used, > science as a “conversation with nature”: > Natural Dialogic (TS ·2) (gnusystems.ca). > > Gary f. > > From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu On > Behalf Of Margaretha Hendrickx &

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce & Popper

2021-10-07 Thread gnox
Gary f. From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu On Behalf Of Margaretha Hendrickx Sent: 7-Oct-21 09:49 To: Peirce-L Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce & Popper List, How many of you are working on -- or interested in -- studying the connection between the philosophy of Karl Popper and Charles Peir

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce & Popper

2021-10-07 Thread Edwina Taborsky
, and especially his work on semiotic triangles, given that I believe it provides some key answers to epistemological problems in management research. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce & Popper

2021-10-07 Thread Margaretha Hendrickx
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Re: [PEIRCE-L] Abracadabra (was Modeling Humanities : the case ofPeirce's Semiotics (part B1))

2021-10-07 Thread Margaretha Hendrickx
t be as a little child, with all the sincerity and simple-mindedness of > the child's vision, with all the plasticity of the child's mental habits.” > — C.S. Peirce, RLT 192 (1898) > > > > > > From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu On Behalf Of Gary Richmond > Sent: 7-Oc

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Abracadabra (was Modeling Humanities : the case ofPeirce's Semiotics (part B1))

2021-10-07 Thread Edwina Taborsky
(1898) From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu On Behalf Of Gary Richmond Sent: 7-Oct-21 05:18 To: Peirce-L Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Abracadabra (was Modeling Humanities : the case ofPeirce's Semiotics (part B1)) John, List, "Men seem to themselves to be g

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Abracadabra (was Modeling Humanities : the case ofPeirce's Semiotics (part B1))

2021-10-07 Thread gnox
.” — C.S. Peirce, RLT 192 (1898) From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu On Behalf Of Gary Richmond Sent: 7-Oct-21 05:18 To: Peirce-L Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Abracadabra (was Modeling Humanities : the case ofPeirce's Semiotics (part B1)) John, List, "Men seem to themselves to be g

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Abracadabra (was Modeling Humanities : the case ofPeirce's Semiotics (part B1))

2021-10-07 Thread Gary Richmond
ed. > > The recent discussions of comments by De Tienne and Atkins about > phaneroscopy were interesting, but nobody can be certain that their > opinions about the "science egg" are what Peirce intended. On these > issues, good questions are more valuable than definitive answers.

[PEIRCE-L] Abracadabra (was Modeling Humanities : the case of Peirce's Semiotics (part B1))

2021-10-06 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
cult to find relevant posts. Almost all professional philosophers have either been eliminated or died. In my judgment, the average IQ of posters here on this list serve is in log decline. Cheers Jerry _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Abracadabra (was Modeling Humanities : the case ofPeirce's Semiotics (part B1))

2021-10-06 Thread sowa @bestweb.net
Peirce intended. On these issues, good questions are more valuable than definitive answers. In summary, a good way to improve the level of discourse on Peirce-L is to ask more questions and to avoid making definitive pronouncements about what Peirce meant. De Tienne read as much or more than

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Immune System Metaphor (ISM) [nee Abracadabra]

2021-10-06 Thread Gary Richmond
ctions. I would hope that all here would reflect on and, indeed, concentrate their reflections on *their own participation* on Peirce-L. For I agree with what Margaretha wrote earlier today that "It is all a manner of deliberate and critical self-reflection on what one gets from being an

[PEIRCE-L] LUW October 6 : being provable in Peano Arithmetic with at most k steps

2021-10-06 Thread FRANCISCO MARIANO
he considered one. These characterisations are natural and parameterised by unification algorithms. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.ed

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Immune System Metaphor (ISM) [nee Abracadabra]

2021-10-06 Thread Jon Awbrey
orld Hypotheses * has been most helpful for me to put the work of Lakoff and Johnson in the larger context. My very best, Margaretha H. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to

[PEIRCE-L] C.S. Peirce • Algebra of Logic ∫ Philosophy of Notation

2021-10-06 Thread Jon Awbrey
Logic (Published Papers), 1933. CP 3.359–403. • Peirce, C.S., Writings of Charles S. Peirce : A Chronological Edition, Peirce Edition Project (eds.), Indiana University Press, Bloomington and Indianapolis, IN, 1981–. Volume 5 (1884–1886), 1993. Item 30, 162–190. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Abracadabra (was Modeling Humanities : the case of Peirce's Semiotics (part B1))

2021-10-06 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Bernard: > On Aug 27, 2021, at 5:33 PM, Bernard Morand wrote: > > It is a good illustration of my feeling about the bad quality level of the > discussions on Peirce-l. My feelings are fully parallel with yours. Your articulative description of the styles of communica

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Abracadabra (was Modeling Humanities : the case of Peirce's Semiotics (part B1))

2021-10-06 Thread Gary Richmond
> Edwina >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed 06/10/21 1:30 PM , Bernard Morand morand.bern...@neuf.fr sent: >>> >>> Thanks Jerry for this reply and support. >>> >>> Unfortunately I have no complete answer to your pertinent question: >>> &

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Abracadabra (was Modeling Humanities : the case of Peirce's Semiotics (part B1))

2021-10-06 Thread Jerry Rhee
; I doubt if this can change. >>> >>> Edwina >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed 06/10/21 1:30 PM , Bernard Morand morand.bern...@neuf.fr sent: >>> >>> Thanks Jerry for this reply and support. >>> >>> Unfortunately I have no

[PEIRCE-L] Abracadabra

2021-10-06 Thread Edwina Taborsky
esult is an escalating round of ad hominem attacks and defenses. For the list I mentioned, the practice of avoiding the word 'you' kept the peace, shortened the debates, and made life more pleasant for everyone. ( https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2018-08/msg00018.html [1]) GF: As we’ve seen

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Abracadabra (was Modeling Humanities : the case of Peirce's Semiotics (part B1))

2021-10-06 Thread Margaretha Hendrickx
question: "What >> practical steps are necessary to re-enliven our community and our >> communications? " >> >> Perhaps some listers actually silent have good ideas about that. They >> ought to be encouraged to manifest themselves in some kind of &qu

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Abracadabra (was Modeling Humanities : the case of Peirce's Semiotics (part B1))

2021-10-06 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
--and the result is an escalating round of ad hominem attacks and defenses. For the list I mentioned, the practice of avoiding the word 'you' kept the peace, shortened the debates, and made life more pleasant for everyone. (https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2018-08/msg00018.html) GF: As we’ve seen here

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Abracadabra (was Modeling Humanities : the case of Peirce's Semiotics (part B1))

2021-10-06 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Morand wrote: It is a good illustration of my feeling about the bad quality level of the discussions on Peirce-l. My feelings are fully parallel with yours. Your articulative

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Abracadabra (was Modeling Humanities : the case of Peirce's Semiotics (part B1))

2021-10-06 Thread Jerry Rhee
; > Regards > > Bernard > Le 06/10/2021 à 18:03, Jerry LR Chandler a écrit : > > Bernard: > > On Aug 27, 2021, at 5:33 PM, Bernard Morand > wrote: > > It is a good illustration of my feeling about the bad quality level of the > discussions on Peirce-l. > > >

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Abracadabra (was Modeling Humanities : the case of Peirce's Semiotics (part B1))

2021-10-06 Thread Edwina Taborsky
t 5:33 PM, Bernard Morand wrote: It is a good illustration of my feeling about the bad quality level of the discussions on Peirce-l. My feelings are fully parallel with yours. Your articulative

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Abracadabra (was Modeling Humanities : the case of Peirce's Semiotics (part B1))

2021-10-06 Thread Bernard Morand
n of my feeling about the bad quality level of the discussions on Peirce-l. My feelings are fully parallel with yours. Your articulative description of the styles of communication denotes the essential nature of the subjective logical fallacies that constrain the discussions to the very, very  narro

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Critical analysis of Belluci's paper

2021-10-06 Thread robert marty
one conveyed by JAS and his supporters; this >> is what is at stake in this debate: >> >> *"Peirce hoped to create an exact philosophy by applying the ideas of >> modern mathematical exactitude. He developed a semiotic pattern of >> mathematical procedure with which to test validity i

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Critical analysis of Belluci's paper

2021-10-05 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty [4] https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ [5] Links: -- [1] http://www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt [2] http://twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt [3] http://webmail.primus.ca

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Critical analysis of Belluci's paper

2021-10-05 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
17954477817507515_m_3816163190580610126__ftn3>."* > > > [1] <#m_8517954477817507515_m_3816163190580610126__ftnref1> Roland Barthes > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Barthes>, Mythologies > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythologies_(book)>, 1957,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Critical analysis of Belluci's paper

2021-10-05 Thread robert marty
ered a French saying: "Qui ne dit mot >>> consent" (Who doesn't say a word, consents). I am therefore entitled to >>> consider today that my criticism is fully recognized as fair and >>> well-founded. This encourages me to publish it more widely and extend this &

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Semiotics, Semiosis, Sign Relations

2021-10-05 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peirce • Collected Papers, CP 1.186 (1903) Syllabus • Classification of Sciences (CP 1.180–202, G-1903-2b) ttp://web.archive.org/web/2005121054/http://www.princeton.edu/~batke/peirce/cl_o_sci_03.htm Re: Peirce List https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-10/thrd1.html#00013 ::: John Sowa

[PEIRCE-L] LUW October 6 : being provable in Peano Arithmetic with at most k steps

2021-10-05 Thread jean-yves beziau
he considered one. These characterisations are natural and parameterised by unification algorithms. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBS

[PEIRCE-L] Novel Resources for scholars with an interest in the perplexity of CSP's logical abduction

2021-10-04 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
of the chemical sciences as it emergesd from Sir Rutherford’s numbers. Cheers Jerry _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSC

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: Re: Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle)

2021-10-04 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
necessarily consider > habit to be "self-controlled" but often, in his schema, it can resemble what > Engels called "false consciousness". The interesting part, though, is that > Bourdieu locates in habitus the same order of generative principle which > Peirce seems to

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: Re: Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle)

2021-10-04 Thread Jerry Rhee
t overlap between your line of inquiry and mine (the contrast > between the two definitely induces the same order of heuristic to my mind, > there is something structurally equivalent between your query and mine, to > my mind). > > I hope to clarify my position within the week as it is still

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: Re: Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle)

2021-10-04 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
equivalent between your query and mine, to my mind). I hope to clarify my position within the week as it is still very much up in the air, and, in truth, off the beaten track of what I'm supposed to be doing (which is why I've thrown it to the "floor"!). Best Jack _

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: Re: Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle)

2021-10-04 Thread Jerry Rhee
tion to *habitus* though Bourdieu would deviate slightly insofar >> as he doesn't necessarily consider habit to be "self-controlled" but often, >> in his schema, it can resemble what Engels called "false consciousness". >> The interesting part, though, is that Bo

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: Re: Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle)

2021-10-04 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
;false consciousness". The > interesting part, though, is that Bourdieu locates in *habitus* the same > order of generative principle which Peirce seems to have discerned and > which Chomsky, too seems to place in recursion insofar as recursion is > understood as a regularity whic

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: Re: Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle)

2021-10-04 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
recursion insofar as recursion is understood as a regularity which can/does produce/generate differences in structural form. Best Jack ____ From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 5:36 PM To: Peirce-L Subject:

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: Re: Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle)

2021-10-04 Thread Edwina Taborsky
(semiosis as it is in itself contrasted with our perception/experience of sign relations) implies that the DO exists in connection with, but quite apart from, and in some sense therefore, external to, the IO? Jack - From: Edwina Taborsky Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 5:00 PM To

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: Re: Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle)

2021-10-04 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
gh Chomsky > is a resolute Cartesian and the others reject such a position out of hand). > > Would be very interested to receive any variety of response to this - > preferably those which ardently disagree with me! > > Best > > Jack > > -- > *Fr

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: Re: Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle)

2021-10-04 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
From: Edwina Taborsky Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 5:00 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu ; JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY Subject: Re: Re: [EXTERNAL] [PEIRCE-L] Fwd: Re: Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle) Jack, list I think there are multiple meanings of 'efficient

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Semeiotic puzzles (was Broadening phaneroscopy

2021-10-04 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
servations or descriptions of it. However, the language in which the > analysis is conducted is a meta-language that involves a variety of > semiotic presuppositions. Those semiotic presuppositions constitute a > meta-theoretic framework in which we can accomplish phanerosc

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: Re: Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle)

2021-10-04 Thread Edwina Taborsky
the rest of the baggage associated with Chomskyean theory re UG. Best Jack - From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of Edwina Taborsky Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 2:52 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: [EXTERNAL] [PEIRCE-L] Fwd: Re:

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: Re: Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle)

2021-10-04 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
e others reject such a position out of hand). Would be very interested to receive any variety of response to this - preferably those which ardently disagree with me! Best Jack ____ From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY Sent: Monday, Octob

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: Re: Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle)

2021-10-04 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
sound even if one wishes to dispense with the rest of the baggage associated with Chomskyean theory re UG. Best Jack ____ From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of Edwina Taborsky Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 2:52 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subje

[PEIRCE-L] Fwd: Re: Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle)

2021-10-04 Thread Edwina Taborsky
were). Best Jack ----- From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of Jon Awbrey Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 8:20 AM To: s...@bestweb.net ; Peirce-L Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PEIRCE-L] All Semiotic, No Puzzle *Warning* This email originated from

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle)

2021-10-04 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
(CP 8.331) ____ From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:51 PM To: s...@bestweb.net ; Peirce-L ; Jon Awbrey Subject: [EXTERNAL] [PEIRCE-L] Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle) *Warning* This email origi

[PEIRCE-L] Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle)

2021-10-04 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
t it might be useful to throw it to the "floor" as it were). Best Jack ________ From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of Jon Awbrey Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 8:20 AM To: s...@bestweb.net ; Peirce-L Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PEIRCE-L] All Semiotic,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] All Semiotic, No Puzzle

2021-10-04 Thread Jon Awbrey
did not suggest such a revision. Why not? Can anyone suggest any other way to resolve these issues? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ►

[PEIRCE-L] Semeiotic puzzles (was Broadening phaneroscopy

2021-10-03 Thread sowa @bestweb.net
e semiotic presuppositions constitute a meta-theoretic framework in which we can accomplish phaneroscopic analyses. (Part Two, p. 104) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Broadening Phaneroscopy (was Critical analysis ofBelluci's paper)

2021-10-03 Thread gnox
://gnusystems.ca/wp/ }{ living the time From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu On Behalf Of sowa @bestweb.net Sent: 2-Oct-21 20:53 To: Peirce-L Subject: re: [PEIRCE-L] Broadening Phaneroscopy (was Critical analysis ofBelluci's paper) Jon AS, List, That kind of broadening is essential to go beyond

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Broadening Phaneroscopy (was Critical analysis ofBelluci's paper)

2021-10-02 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
e eggs or embryos. I suspect that > Atkins was taking steps in that direction, but his names do not recognize > the need for normative science in any attempt to broaden phaneroscopy. > > John > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply

re: [PEIRCE-L] Broadening Phaneroscopy (was Critical analysis ofBelluci's paper)

2021-10-02 Thread sowa @bestweb.net
ct that Atkins was taking steps in that direction, but his names do not recognize the need for normative science in any attempt to broaden phaneroscopy. John _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. P

[PEIRCE-L] Broadening Phaneroscopy (was Critical analysis of Belluci's paper)

2021-10-02 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
es there (which would include the material categories) is > incorporated into his 2018 book *Charles S. Peirce’s Phenomenology*. I’m > just getting started on the two papers though. > > Gary f. > > > > } I do not think much of a man who is no wiser today than he was >

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Critical analysis of Belluci's paper

2021-10-02 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
to me, that De Tienne's outline rests within Belluci's > outline, for both of them seem to view the Peircean sciences as steps, > where you simply leave the former one behind as you climb the ladder. > > Edwina > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply Lis

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Off-List: Minimal Negation Operators

2021-10-02 Thread Gary Richmond
ad studied JA's cactus diagrams decades ago was just in passing and was not in any way integral to the substance of my message. Yet even after a decade of moderating Peirce-L I remain open to suggestions on how I might improve my moderating. I'd prefer that they be sent to me off List, however,

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Critical analysis of Belluci's paper

2021-10-02 Thread gnox
} I do not think much of a man who is no wiser today than he was yesterday. [Lincoln] { <https://gnusystems.ca/wp/> https://gnusystems.ca/wp/ }{ living the time From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu On Behalf Of Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: 1-Oct-21 21:25 Robert, List: I have re

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Critical analysis of Belluci's paper

2021-10-02 Thread Edwina Taborsky
2] https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ [13] http://webmail.primus.ca/javascript:top.opencompose(\'robert.mart...@gmail.com\',\'\',\'\',\'\') [14] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty [15] https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" o

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Minimal Negation Operators

2021-10-02 Thread Jon Awbrey
Cf: Minimal Negation Operators • Discussion 2 https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2021/10/02/minimal-negation-operators-discussion-2/ Re: Minimal Negation Operators https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2017/09/01/minimal-negation-operators-4/ Re: Peirce List https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Critical analysis of Belluci's paper

2021-10-01 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
gt; kind of analysis of the relationship to mathematics to other eminent >> researchers in the Peircean community. >> >> Many thanks and best regards, >> >> Robert Marty >> >> Honorary Professor; Ph.D. Mathematics; Ph.D. Philosophy >> fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Re: [PEIRCE-L] necessity, probability, plausibility

2021-10-01 Thread Edwina Taborsky
f witchcraft was and sadly is highly plausible, other than in our western culture(s). Not so long ago, in Germany extremely murderous hypotheses were plausible. Plausibility should be handled carefully, with a fire tongs. Best, Helmut _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Repl

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Critical analysis of Belluci's paper

2021-10-01 Thread robert marty
_Marty > *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* > > > > Le lun. 20 sept. 2021 à 12:36, robert marty a > écrit : > >> List, I remind the thread opened by Phillys Chiasson, entitled "Another >> perspective." >> &l

Re: [PEIRCE-L] necessity, probability, plausibility

2021-09-30 Thread Thomas Gollier
ern > culture(s). Not so long ago, in Germany extremely murderous hypotheses were > plausible. Plausibility should be handled carefully, with a fire tongs. > > Best, > Helmut > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All"

Re: [PEIRCE-L] necessity, probability, plausibility

2021-09-30 Thread Ben Udell
other than in our western culture(s). Not so long ago, in Germany extremely murderous hypotheses were plausible. Plausibility should be handled carefully, with a fire tongs. Best, Helmut _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY

Re: [PEIRCE-L] necessity, probability, plausibility

2021-09-30 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
es, e.g. the reality of > witchcraft was and sadly is highly plausible, other than in our western > culture(s). Not so long ago, in Germany extremely murderous hypotheses were > plausible. Plausibility should be handled carefully, with a fire tongs. > > Best, > Helmut > _ _ _ _ _ _

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Minimal Negation Operators

2021-09-30 Thread Jon Awbrey
Cf: Minimal Negation Operators • 5 https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2021/09/30/minimal-negation-operators-5/ Re: Peirce List https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-09/thrd10.html#00287 https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-09/thrd11.html#00322 ::: Imran Makani https

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] necessity, probability, plausibility

2021-09-30 Thread Helmut Raulien
n cultures, e.g. the reality of witchcraft was and sadly is highly plausible, other than in our western culture(s). Not so long ago, in Germany extremely murderous hypotheses were plausible. Plausibility should be handled carefully, with a fire tongs.   Best, Helmut _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Off-List: Minimal Negation Operators

2021-09-29 Thread sowa @bestweb.net
tages and disadvantages of the two notations?" Such a note would enable everybody to judge the issues for themselves. John _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should

RE: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 49

2021-09-29 Thread gnox
ystems.ca/wp/ }{ living the time From: Gary Richmond Sent: 29-Sep-21 01:06 To: Peirce-L Cc: Gary Fuhrman Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 49 Gary F, List, GF: "I said in a previous post that phaneroscopy is pre-scientific." Yet Peirce positions

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 49

2021-09-28 Thread Gary Richmond
nions which ignore his mathematics or his semeiotics. > > I said in a previous post that phaneroscopy is pre-scientific. I don’t > have a more direct answer to your question, so this will have to do. > > Gary f. > > } Once the whole is divided, the parts need names. Th

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mind and Matter

2021-09-28 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
rally declare that our analysis of Peirce is the correct analysis. All > you can do - is offer up your analysis - as an analysis of Peirce ..and > leave it at that. You have no scholarly or other right to unilaterally > declare that Yours-is-the-correct-analysis. > > I know you wo

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Semiotics, Semiosis, Sign Relations

2021-09-28 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
esis and hence mentation. Cheers Jerry _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.e

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Off-List: Minimal Negation Operators

2021-09-28 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
e, of the meaning that Jon intends to infer logically with his usage of this non-standard semantics. However, this semantics is obviously useful in attempting to give a logical semantics for the well-established semiosis of hyle. Cheers Jerry _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mind and Matter

2021-09-28 Thread Edwina Taborsky
ts should be regarded as a private affair. Making belief a dogma is a fundamentalist thing, and fundamentalism to me is something very nasty and unscientific. Best, Helmut Links: -- [1] http://www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt [2] http://twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt [3] http://webmail.primus.ca/java

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mind and Matter

2021-09-28 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
nk he would not like that. He believed in God, ok, but > belief among scientists should be regarded as a private affair. Making > belief a dogma is a fundamentalist thing, and fundamentalism to me is > something very nasty and unscientific. > > Best, Helmut > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mind and Matter

2021-09-28 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
“Let everything happen to you > Beauty and terror > Just keep going > No feeling is final” > ― Rainer Maria Rilke > *Gary Richmond* > *Philosophy and Critical Thinking* > *Communication Studies* > *LaGuardia College of the City University of New York* > _ _ _ _ _ _

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Vagueness and ambiguity

2021-09-28 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
iented about Edwina's attitude. I agree with Mike Bergman's assessment that she instead comes across as "incessantly confrontational" ( https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-09/msg00302.html). In particular, she is the one who routinely "lash[es] out with some attack&q

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Mind and Matter

2021-09-28 Thread Helmut Raulien
neral public and are not, to my understanding, part of his theoretical outlines.   As Jon Awbrey rightly noted (https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-09/msg00217.html), Peirce's dictionary definitions are intended to record the usage of terms at the time when he prepared them. As such, they

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Semiotics, Semiosis, Sign Relations

2021-09-28 Thread Jon Awbrey
://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0057%3Aentry%3Dpra%3Dgma Liddell, H.G., and Scott, R. (1925), A Greek-English Lexicon (1940 edition), Perseus Digital Library ( http://www.perseus.tufts.edu ) Regards, Jon _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Off-List: Minimal Negation Operators

2021-09-28 Thread Imran Makani
; > I didn't conclude that at all, but rather that Jon should make some minimal > attempt to show that relation. In truth, I think it might be more productive > than this back and forth with me for you to discuss that relation with Jon on > the List (this is apparently the first ti

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Critical analysis of Belluci's paper

2021-09-28 Thread robert marty
I remind the thread opened by Phillys Chiasson, entitled "Another > perspective." > <https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-09/msg00036.html> In this > thread, Gary Richmond wrote > <https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-09/msg00038.htm> : &g

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Vagueness and ambiguity

2021-09-27 Thread sowa @bestweb.net
That is why he was constantly trying to overcome the inevitable vagueness of ordinary language by inventing new terminology and writing rules that he hoped other people would follow. If Max Fisch and his students hadn't devoted many years of hard work, none of us would be reading

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mind and Matter

2021-09-27 Thread Gary Richmond
ght-provoking and not at all unrelated to the question >> of what followed upon the putative Big Bang before the "building blocks of >> matter" were formed. >> If you are interested in these questions, I highly recommend Jon's >> discussion in section 5 of this paper in

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Off-List: Minimal Negation Operators

2021-09-27 Thread Gary Richmond
this back and forth with me for you to discuss that relation with Jon on the List (this is apparently the first time(s) you've posted to Peirce-L). IM: You ask: "why this conclusion is so overwhelming that it called for threatening to ban Jon rather than engage the relevant subject

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Off-List: Minimal Negation Operators

2021-09-27 Thread Imran Makani
his forum -- to demonstrate the relevance of what they post > to this forum. > > So, despite your not disrespectful opinion to the contrary, I am not singling > Jon out at all. In truth, he singles himself out -- as he did earlier when > Joe Ransdell was moderator of Peirce-L -- as

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Off-List: Minimal Negation Operators

2021-09-27 Thread Gary Richmond
moderator of Peirce-L -- as someone who is unwilling or unable to respect this forum's purpose and culture. And, consequently, most often -- or so it seems to me -- his 'discussions' (when they occur at all) are not with Peirce-L participants. Best, Gary Richmond (writing as Peirce-L modera

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Off-List: Minimal Negation Operators

2021-09-27 Thread Imran Makani
are outside the scope of your expertise and interests, not Peirce’s. Again, this is just my impression and I don’t mean it disrespectfully. Best, Imran Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 27, 2021, at 7:06 PM, Gary Richmond wrote: > >  > Imran, List, > > As Joe Ransdell wrote on

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