Re: [PEIRCE-L] Laboratory for phenomenological research

, they hardly know anything of what others have done. (EP 2: 130) That's how science works ... Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* Le ven. 19 avr. 202

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mark Token Type

nsigns/tokens in order to *act *as signs. In fact, every > sinsign/token *involves *qualisigns/tones of a peculiar kind, and every > iconic sinsign/token *embodies *a qualisign. > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mark Token Type

://www.academia.edu/61335079/Note_on_Signs_Types_and_Tokens Regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* Le ven. 12 avr. 2024 à 05:04, Jon Alan Schmidt a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] determination

Helmut, list According to Peirce, the definition if "renders definitely to be such as it will be" *"We thus learn that the Object determines (i.e. renders definitely to be such as it will be) the Sign in a particular manner.*(CP 8.361)342-379 M-20b *(1908))* Within the MS 611, p.67-68, Peirce

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project, was, Re: Interpretants, as analyzed and discussed by T. L. Short

m going to give myself one last chance to convince the only community that can validate my work, whose scientific integrity I do not doubt, by trying to find a third way to lattices that uses the only conceptions set out by Peirce, just clarified and specified unquestionably. I'll soon be publishin

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project, was, Re: Interpretants, as analyzed and discussed by T. L. Short

but not of the world of formal logic. A calculus, even in mathematics proper, is like the sword that our warriors by sea and land carry at their sides. Having it there at hand marks the mathematician as the sword marks his officer.* (MS 1334, 1905) And what could be more penetrating than a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] How do we formalize the triadic sign?

Jon, List, One more effort ... if you take the definition of a mathematical category, you'll see that you only need to "flatten" your diagram a little to get the category O → S → I. To do this, we'll consider the abstract category X → Y → Z with three abstract objects X, Y and Z and not two but

Re: [PEIRCE-L] How do we formalize the triadic sign?

n 8, 2024, at 9:18 AM, robert marty wrote: > > Jerry, List > > You know very well that we don't mention "what goes without saying" in > mathematics. > > > Sorry, Robert. > Interesting but hardly compelling response. > > Human communications in multi

Re: [PEIRCE-L] How do we formalize the triadic sign?

as it will be* (CP 8.361, 1908) Regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* Le lun. 8 janv. 2024 à 06:07, Jerry LR Chandler < jerry_lr_chand...@icloud.com

Re: [PEIRCE-L] How do we formalize the triadic sign?

n 6 elements everyone knows. The question of the determinations of the decadic sign is still open. I challenge anyone to master the combinatorial explosion of the number of classes of signs without these determinations. Regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.

[PEIRCE-L] How do we formalize the triadic sign?

y, he couldn't obtain it formally. In his classification of the Sciences, this lattice occupies the place of the *Grammatica Speculativa*. It's his ultimate form. Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Synesthesia Was Re: interpretant and thirdness

The problem with using the triangle to represent a sign is not its vertices, but its sides. The triangle above, which illustrates a very simple (algebraic) category in Wikipedia, represents the triadic sign as Peirce defined it after 1905, in which the arrows represent determinations, A the

[PEIRCE-L] Clear Ideas,

thinking; so that it equally interests the opponents of rational thought to perpetuate it, and its adherents to guard against it*.(CP 5.398, from How To Make Our Ideas Clear). Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https

[PEIRCE-L] Fwd: interpretant and thirdness

thinking; so that it equally interests the opponents of rational thought to perpetuate it, and its adherents to guard against it*.(CP 5.398, from How To Make Our Ideas Clear). Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https

Re: [PEIRCE-L] interpretant and thirdness

es"). These lattices correspond perfectly to Peirce's Gramatica Speculativa (this becomes clear in the rigorously organized Classification of the Sciences in Peirce's "Well of truth". That's why I've made it my Chapter 1, the entry point into "the peircean exact thinking." But

Re: [PEIRCE-L] interpretant and thirdness

Dear John, List On your proposal to change the terminology for Categories : First, I agree with you about the drawbacks of the terminology currently in use. However, it is so old and the alternative proposals so numerous that it would be opening a Pandora's box. For example, I note the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] interpretant and thirdness

an be conveniently applied in practice.*" (Peirce C.S, NEM IV, REASON'S CONSCIENCE, MS 693, p.187). It's a very exciting task ... Best regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://ma

Re: [PEIRCE-L] interpretant and thirdness

h attention must be focused, the place of the sign S, is occupied by a Priman, an element of the category of Firstnessy". *end of quote * Voilà ... I'd be happy if this post contributed a little to unlocking your brain ... It's a painful condition we all are familiar with ... 

Re: [PEIRCE-L] interpretant and thirdness

case, as he has the determination relations between the correlates at his disposal, thus dispensing with the distinctions he made before 1904-1905, the years in which he introduced determinations into the triadic sign (see 76 Definitions of the Sign by C. S. Peirce, Collected by Robert Mart

Re: [PEIRCE-L] interpretant and thirdness

would if they were independent, only yield 28 classes » (Letter to Lady Welby, 1908 Dec 23) Decadic signs are not yet defined. Best regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://mart

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Is anyone familiar with this book by Tursman?

Dear colleagues interested in this issue, A dozen used copies of this book are available for about $10 on AbeBooks.com Best, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce Interprets Peirce

This is a wonderful project that will be of great benefit to all members of the Peircian community. However, the question may arise of a possible technological black box between the manuscripts and the final product. I have no doubt that the community to be vigilant in this regard! Thank you and

[PEIRCE-L] The trichotomic machine on line.

d creation of significations can be introduced. Best-regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Repl

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Guidelines for improving discussions

I fully associate myself with this initiative which has the remarkable characteristic of adding an opening to Peirce-L without subtracting anything from it... it is perfectly justified, and it puts an end to a malaise which has lasted for too long... Le jeu. 11 nov. 2021 à 23:46, Edwina Taborsky

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: Signs, Types, and Tokens

Jack, List For me it is my "Trichotomic machine".(included in https://www.academia.edu/40493861/The_trichotomic_machine_brings_order_among_the_interpretants ) that provides the answer, as it builds on the foundations visualized in the podium to go to the formal

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Signs, Types, and Tokens

finitions of the classes of signs. Best regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* Le lun. 8 nov. 2021 à 00:50, Jon Alan Schmidt a écrit : > Vi

[PEIRCE-L] To the benefit of those who have an answer for everything ...

toanswer them all with positive assurance"* This gives rise to a little humility ... Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L

Re: [PEIRCE-L] A key principle of normative semeiotic for interpreting texts

written text is always to correctly discern the author's (intentional interpreter's) intended meaning as expressed in the tex*t" (Gary R), are in fact proposing to us that we play a Chinese fantasmatic game, the rules of which they have long been trying to establish. Regards, Robert Marty -

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Classifications of the Sciences (was Should we start a new email list)

o say in "(AIII) Idioscopy - Special sciences- positive sciences (based on special experiences, discover new phenomena)" of the compiled classification of Tommi Vekhavaara. Regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *htt

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Classifications of the Sciences (was Shouldwe start a new email list)

objects, as Astronomy, Geography, History, etc. === *Following with the MS ...* Best, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Classifications of the Sciences (was Should we start a new email list)

them with the universal laws which philosophy discovers. 3.*Episcopy*, or the description of individual things, with a view to explaining them by the laws nomology makes out. Regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct, intuition and semiosis

intuitionism. I’d be > happy to explore this further on peirce-l if there is interest (and not too > many objections). > > Gary f. > > > > *From:* peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu *On > Behalf Of *JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY > *Sent:* 17-Oct-21 07:30 > *To:* robert marty >

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Should we start a new email list?

Cher Bernard, vous écrivez : "I think that the content and purpose of Phaneroscopy needs to be cleared up independently of the question of classification of sciences. On the contrary what has been suggested is to find a place for an unknown thing into a pretty trichotomy a priori derived from the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: Should we start a new email list (was Peirce's contributions to the 21st c

rngins ? Best regards ... Robert Marty Le dim. 17 oct. 2021 à 13:29, JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY < jack.cody.2...@mumail.ie> a écrit : > Dear Robert, > > My point is definitely anthropological, but we cannot have an epistemology > without some form of "anthropology" (Co

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: Should we start a new email list (was Peirce's contributions to the 21st c

n a binary relation of attraction with the earth, he opened the possibility for humanity to take a big step on the Moon... Here are the questions ... Best regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.e

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Should we start a new email list (was Peirce's contributions to the 21st c

ot;OK" then ask where and when your interlocutors tried to give content to their agreement "in the flights of stairs within of well of truth" NB: this classification of sciences is the simplest he provided ... but the most detailed ones are consistent with this matrix. Best regards,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's contributions to the 21st century (was Dimensionality

l to his spirit there are several of us on this list who follow and develop some of these traces. We find them particularly relevant because we have new tools. Some literalists think we should leave the forest as it is. Every time they get in the way, which keeps happening, there's a big problem.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: Peirce & Popper

s in the classes according to the relations (seen as "tails") that the object and the sign have. Best regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/&

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce & Popper

It was not a joke... I myself committed a lapsus calami by writing "calmi"! Excuse me ... RM Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* Le jeu. 7 oct. 2021 à 17:

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce & Popper

ree elements of Firstness, Secondness, and Thirdness, there is nothing else to be found in the phenomenon " Best regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.e

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Critical analysis of Belluci's paper

have shown that there is : - misappropriation by the omission of the spirit of the whole text, The forms of experience, - misappropriation of the meaning of the word "juncture." Regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor; Ph.D. Mathematics; Ph.D. Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Critical analysis of Belluci's paper

#_ftnref1> Roland Barthes <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Barthes>, Mythologies <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythologies_(book)>, 1957, Seuil : Paris. [2] <#_ftnref2> (1) Peirce's Maxim of Pragmatism: 61 Formulations (researchgate.net) <https://www.researchgate.net/publicati

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Critical analysis of Belluci's paper

List, Here is the public version on Academia.edu with some modifications. (DOC) Critical analysis of a Francesco Belluci's paper. | robert marty - Academia.edu <https://www.academia.edu/54543542/Critical_analysis_of_a_Francesco_Bellucis_paper> also available on ResearchGate :

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Critical analysis of Belluci's paper

community. Many thanks and best regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor; Ph.D. Mathematics; Ph.D. Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* Le lun. 20 sept. 2021 à 12:36, robert marty a écrit : > List,

[PEIRCE-L] Critical analysis of Belluci's paper

vy-Strauss, after his successful collaboration with the great mathematician André Weil: the "bricoleurs" and the "engineers." This collaboration is refused for reasons that belong to the sociology of research. They deserve a separate study. Best regards, Robert Ma

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Classification of Sciences and Scientific Research, was Pure math & phenomenology (was Slip & Slide

Jon Alan, List "No one" ... I don't know since it was not Gary R. who spoke; but anyway, from now on, there will be at least one, because I am ready to adopt it ... and maybe we should ask ADT what he thinks ... Regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Classification of Sciences and Scientific Research

Without forgetting that they classify their observations "with the purpose of identifying their forms with those mathematics has studied, " ( [C.S. Peirce, 1976: NEM, vol III.2 1122], MS 1345) otherwise there would be only empirical sciences, and we would still be at the physics of Aristotle and

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Classification of Sciences and Scientific Research, was Pure math & phenomenology (was Slip & Slide

nobody is enclosed in a branch and that each can deploy his activity by passing from one to another if he has the desire and the competence. Sincerely, Robert Marty Honorary Professor; Ph.D. Mathematics; Ph.D. Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <http

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Diagrams in mathematics, phaneroscopy, and language (was Modeling

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagram_(category_theory)>. Best regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor; Ph.D. Mathematics; Ph.D. Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* Le ven. 27 août 2021 à 04:42, John F. Sowa

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Modeling Humanities : the case of Peirce's Semiotics (part B1)

going to give up... simply, I would not waste another minute fighting arguments biased by such practices... Following serenely ... Regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor; Ph.D. Mathematics; Ph.D. Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://mar

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Modeling Humanities : the case of Peirce's Semiotics (part B1)

[the pure hypothesis] agrees with the actual facts or not." It is the > phaneroscopist who "finds it suits his purpose to ascertain what the > necessary consequences of possible facts would be," and thus "calls upon a > mathematician and states the question"; a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Modeling Humanities : the case of Peirce's Semiotics (part B1)

anthropology: how will "phaneroscopists" do if they don't have the means to apprehend these "fictitious problems," these mathematical objects that will be proposed to them? That is the question! But you have found a magic trick to answer it, as explained in the following post

[PEIRCE-L] Modeling Humanities : the case of Peirce's Semiotics (part B1)

the power of generalization, which Peirce believes "*chiefly constitutes a mathematician*" (R 278a:9 l ), is a difficult skill to attain. Peirce's emphasis on imagination, concentration, and generalization draws the attention away from the notion that it is the premier business of mathematic

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 27

kinds of > Firstness, qualitative possibility, existence, mentality, resulting from > applying Firstness to the three categories. We might strike new words for > them: primity, secundity, tertiality. [end CSP quote] > > > > Gary f. > > > > From: pei

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Tribalism (was André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 25)

eason and > evidence have been pointedly ignored. If others want to see examples of the > tribalist “debating” technique, they can look into the archives and read > almost any recent post by Robert Marty. I mention him specifically because > he has openly declared his favored style of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Modeling in Humanities : the case of Peirce's Semiotics.(Part A)

t the same time it is sufficiently like the problem set before him to answer, well or ill, as a substitute for it*." (CP 3.559, again) But maybe it is "tribalistic" to remind it? Regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor; Ph.D. Mathematics; Ph.D. Philosophy fr.wik

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 25

myself have been called a post-Peircian! Mind you, maybe I should take it as a compliment!  Le lun. 16 août 2021 à 17:54, Robert Marty a écrit : > > > Le lun. 16 août 2021 à 17:10, a écrit : > >> Bernard, thanks for this clarification; it shows that my comment about >

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 25

,’ said Alice, ‘whether you *can* make words mean so many > different things.’ > > ‘The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master – that's > all.’ > > GF: I can see the appeal of this approach to many of the regular posters > on this list, especially those (

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 25

mean – neither more nor > less.’ > > ‘The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you *can* make words mean so many > different things.’ > > ‘The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master – that's > all.’ > > GF: I can see the appeal of this approach to many of the re

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Semiotics, Semiosis, Sign Relations

Jon, excuse me for "John" ... Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* Le dim. 15 août 2021 à 12:18, robert marty a écrit : > Dear John, > &

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Semiotics, Semiosis, Sign Relations

Dear John, I think that the text "*Modeling in Humanities: the case of Peirce's Semiotics (Part A*)" that I just published answers your question. I maintain that retaining a definition of the sign that does not incorporate the internal determinations of the sign by the object and the interpreter

[PEIRCE-L] Modeling in Humanities : the case of Peirce's Semiotics.(Part A)

List, My initial comment was to salute Jon Alan's message (Peirce-l - Re: [PEIRCE-L] AndrÃ(c) De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23 - arc (iupui.edu) , with a single quote from Peirce that I thought particularly adapted to introduce the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Semiotics, Semiosis, Sign Relations

thought... I would like a reciprocal... I always thought that you had the capacity to do it without giving up your certainties, but I must say that today I am disappointed... Regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; Ph.D. Mathematics ; Ph.D. Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 25

p methodologies to analyze bundles of signs. All are drawn as necessary conditions which, since they are necessary, must find their implementation in phaneroscopy, and it is in that they are useful. Best regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor; Ph.D. Mathematics; Ph.D. Philosophy fr.wikip

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Semiotics, Semiosis, Sign Relations

to the categorial belonging of each of them (I have modeled it). So my question is: How will you get the 10 classes of signs, let alone the 28 (and I'm not talking about the 66 that are still not defined)? With OSI, I presume? What will be the use of the 5 others? Best regards, Robert Marty NB: just now, I

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

e Aliens want to call this way of altering objects on their planet "+," they can, but they will not practice the algebra that is practiced on Earth. Best regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor; Ph.D. Mathematics; Ph.D. Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Relations & Their Relatives

ot;triple correspondence" in any pdf, but maybe you have a reference? I only know about "tricoexistence" (CP 2.318: "*It predicates the genuinely Triadic relation of tricoexistence 'P and Q and R coexist'.).*"In this "global" form, there is no internal dete

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

Continuing the metaphor, my "trichotomic machine" is a kind of scanner perfected to radiograph the signs based on the preliminary phaneroscopy of each of the elements of the sign but respecting the determinations of their tri-relation. Regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

of my unique sense of humor" ... Regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* Le mer. 11 août 2021 à 18:31, Gary Richmond a écrit : > Gar

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 24

f you can present me a better one I am ready to redirect my research ... Regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* Le mer. 11 août 2021 à 16:56

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 24

CS Peirce : 1897 [c.] | On Multitude | MS [R] 26:1 Mathematics is a study of exact hypotheses, in so far as consequences can be deduced from them. *To limit mathematics to the deduction* of those consequences would be to separate from it some of the greatest of the achievements of modern

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

John Alan , List Jon Alan, not being a crusader against ADT, I am much less interested in ADT's confusion than if he could explain (i.e. state more clearly, make more intelligible) "these essential principles of mathematics" in such a way that one can distinguish clearly what kind of mathematics

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

arguments of authority relying on a stream of quotations from Brandolini's law for others. Regards ... Robert Marty Honorary Professor; Ph.D. Mathematics; Ph.D. Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* - Le lun. 9 aoû

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Thinking in Diagrams vs Thinking in Words

w, who have actually been > working on "moving pictures" from the very get-go, > have learned to see things somewhat differently. > > https://inquiryintoinquiry.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/peirce-syllabus.jpg > > Regardez, > > Jon > > On 7/29/2021 5:27 AM, robert mart

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Thinking in diagrams vs thinking in words

Dear John, Edwina, List Let me clarify my question: The references in parentheses refer to the classification compiled by Tommi Vehkavaara. The classification of the Sciences of Discovery

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Thinking in diagrams vs thinking in words

t this obligation to find a 'formal > mathematized model and look for it in the "mathematical repository." > Without such grounds - as you point out, we become sophists or 'bricoleurs'. > > 4] The answer is obvious. > > Edwina > > > > > > On Sun 25/07/21 11:21 AM ,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Thinking in diagrams vs thinking in words

Dear John, List Your message leads me to multiple questions, which, in my opinion, raise fundamental problems. 1. JS > "*Different people have different ways of thinking and talking."* Yes, but the individuals, as a whole, do not think nor speak independently of each other; diverse common

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 14

RNIONS; CP 4.307 §4. TRICHOTOMIC MATHEMATICS) which are extensions of complex numbers ... and even to onions ( CP 4.321) ... Best regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor; Ph.D. Mathematics; Ph.D. Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 14

from the Phaneron.* >> >> *8- **To many a reader this reasoning will appear obscure and >> inconclusive.* >> >> *9- **This is by no means the only difficulty of mathematics, which >> incessantly employs them, but it is perhaps the chief reason why we f

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 14

tive way these structural assets by substituting them with new adequate structures. We then speak of a change of paradigm." All this - and much more - is visualized in the Podium: Figure 2, 3 and 4. Robert Marty Honorary Professor; Ph.D. Mathematics; Ph.D. Philosophy fr.wikipedi

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 14

en, is there for Secundans and Tertians? Was there some mistakes in our demonstration that they must also have their places in the Phaneron? No, there was no mistake* *13 - But the phaneron does contain genuine Secundans.* Regards Robert Marty Honorary Professor; PhD Math

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 14

Vehkavaara, attached ... Robert Marty Honorary Professor; Ph.D. Mathematics; Ph.D. Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* Le mar. 13 juil. 2021 à 17:20, a écrit : > List, > > Slide 14 is the last i

Re: [PEIRCE-L] A Lasting Flash from the Past

enthusiasm for the maximum openness coextensive to Peirce's thought is not the most shared attitude ... May this reminder inspire the spirit of our debates! Then we would find "The Best" ... Robert Marty Honorary Professor; Ph.D. Mathematics; Ph.D. Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ma

Re: [PEIRCE-L] : André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 12

e elements (phanerons) belonging to each of these categories. > > > > Gary f. > > > > *From:* peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu *On > Behalf Of *robert marty > *Sent:* 11-Jul-21 09:56 > > Gary F. ... now it's you who goes faster than the music > > GF

Re: [PEIRCE-L] : André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 12

Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* Le dim. 11 juil. 2021 à 15:56, robert marty a écrit : > Gary F. ... now it's you who goes faster than the music > > GF :

Re: [PEIRCE-L] : André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 12

tion_of_sciences_1902_1911_> ). To assert unceasingly that Phaneroscopy is only a positive science by rejecting mathematics, is to refuse to recognize the role they play in the Sciences of Discovery; it is to amputate Peirce's work from its mathematical part ... Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Math

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] RE: André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 12

lations as "First," "Second," "Third" (CP 2.274), and it frequently happens that these terms are interpreted as "a Firstness," "a Secondness," or "a Thirdness," respectively. Consequently, we will proceed to systematic rewriting, which will be very usef

Re: [PEIRCE-L] AndrÃ(c) De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

nomenology (Phaneroscopy) are located, thus creating an "illusion of mathematical structures" despite the loss of the constitutive relations. It is a more or less conscious avoidance strategy, depending on the case. Robert Marty Honorary Professor; Ph.D. Mathematics; Ph.D. Philosophy f

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Gary F, List My opinion is that Mathematics and Philosophy are best placed where Peirce himself put them : Extract from (26) (DOC) The "Podium" of Universal Categories and their degenerate cases | robert marty - Academia.edu <https://www.academia

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Iconicity and abduction

a strong position in favor of a Category-Theoretic Structuralism (see robert marty (academia.edu) <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/research#drafts>. In addition, it turns out that the authors evoke "the fascinating typological puzzle" (2.2, p.33) that I assembled in a lattice a l

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Sincerely, Robert Marty Honorary Professor; Ph.D. Mathematics; Ph.D. Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* Le sam. 26 juin 2021 à 15:07, a écrit : > List, > > Robert, except for a few inaccurac

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

Gary F, It will be possible to debate these questions from the following slide in which André De Tienne writes about "a non-reciprocal logical order of dependence". ... I am ready ... Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ma

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and category theory

eyond those required to work with such a simple Poset. The resulting lattice structure is immediately put into a diagram and there is no need to know its exact definition.Moreover, to convince oneself of its natural relevance to semiotics, one need only read Peirce: CP 2.254 to 2.264. Best regards R

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ombative “debate.” > > Gary f. > > } { > > https://gnusystems.ca/wp/ }{ living the time > > > > *From:* peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu *On > Behalf Of *robert marty > *Sent:* 23-Jun-21 08:16 > *To:* Gary Fuhrman ; Peirce-L > > *Subject:* Re: [PEI

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ases> *https://www.academia.edu/49325877/The_Podium_of_Universal_Categories_and_their_degenerate_cases <https://www.academia.edu/49325877/The_Podium_of_Universal_Categories_and_their_degenerate_cases>* Sincerely, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Existential Graphs in 1911

> > Frederik > > > > PS Dear John – I tried to email you at s...@bestweb.net, but it bounces > back – is there another address where I can reach you? > > > > *Fra: *John Sowa > *Svar til: *John Sowa > *Dato: *søndag den 31. januar 2021 kl. 04.46 > *Ti

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Existential Graphs in 1911

Peirce often uses the musical metaphor ... Thought is a thread of melody running through the succession of our sensations” (CP 5.395) Le sam. 30 janv. 2021 à 04:39, John F. Sowa a écrit : > Gary R, > > My remarks were ad rem, not ad hominem. Mathematics is like music. A > mathematician or

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Kindle editions of Writings

they are also available on Amazon.fr, € 6.57 . Le sam. 28 nov. 2020 à 20:59, a écrit : > Aloha Peirceans, > > > > I just noticed that Kindle editions of all 7 volumes of the Writings > Chronological Edition are selling for $9.99 each. (At least they are on > Amazon.ca, I haven’t checked

[PEIRCE-L] Other subdivisions of signs

List, https://www.academia.edu/s/a91a59f285 *"It is a nice problem to say to what class a given sign belongs"* CS Peirce 2.265, EP2 : 297 Abstract This article is exclusively devoted to the subdivisions mentioned by Peirce in CP 2.265. It shows that the lattice of the 10 classes of signs

[PEIRCE-L] Classes of signs: the iconographic models

Abstract Peirce's classes of signs have given rise to a large number of approaches aimed at exposing them, illustrating them, modeling them, formalizing them in different terms, and in some cases testing their operationality. Among these approaches one can distinguish and characterize

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