John, List, In the same vein, I also published another article in Academia.edu, which consists of a commented reading of CP 265, the item that follows his diagram of affinities between classes of signs of 2.264 (a sort of intuition that Peirce had of the structure of order that is a lattice, which I have shown many times). Probably I wasn't convincing enough. Perhaps this comment will be more convincing. There is no mention of Tone/Mark, Token, or Type, but of course, they are present in other names.
https://www.academia.edu/44462107/Other_subdivisions_of_signs <https://www.academia.edu/44462107/Other_subdivisions_of_signs> As for hypoicons, which I, too, have noted appear only once in MS 478, I am in the process of finalizing a solid argument, at my peril, of course, to the effect that this notion should be abandoned because it is invalidated by the contents of MS 540. My conclusion is that these hypoicons, wrongly considered as a sort of subdivisions of icons (which I myself erroneously theorized) are a kind of shadow image of the trichotomy of the object of the sign, forgotten by Peirce in MS 478. But that's another story. Regards, Robert Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* Le ven. 12 avr. 2024 à 21:19, John F Sowa <s...@bestweb.net> a écrit : > Robert, Jon, List, > > Thanks for the note. There is nothing controversial about it, and I agree > with Jon's comments. > > But I would note that Peirce's later shift to semes, phemes, and delomes > enabled him to simplify, some of the issues, and generalize others. For > example, the idea of hypoicons seemed to be a powerful new concept that > Peirce discussed in only one MS. He didn't need it later because he > introduced semes as a generalization of rhemes. > > This is just one of many ways that Peirce's system developed during the > decade of 1903 to 1913. To avoid disturbing this moment of agreement, I > won't say anything more. > > John > > > > ------------------------------ > *From*: "Jon Alan Schmidt" <jonalanschm...@gmail.com> > *Sent*: 4/12/24 1:18 PM > *To*: Peirce-L <peirce-l@list.iupui.edu> > *Cc*: Ahti Pietarinen <ahti.pietari...@gmail.com>, Francesco Bellucci < > bellucci.france...@googlemail.com>, Anthony Jappy <anthony.ja...@gmail.com>, > "Houser, Nathan R." <nhou...@iupui.edu> > *Subject*: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mark Token Type > > Robert, List: > > Thanks for the reminder about this brief paper, which we discussed on the > List back in November 2021. As I said at that time, it is based on Peirce's > 1903 taxonomy with three trichotomies and ten sign classes, not his > 1906-1908 taxonomies with ten trichotomies and 66 sign classes; and my only > quibble with it is that it seems to equate "token" with "replica," which is > why it identifies only six classes of tokens. Instead, "token" directly > replaces "sinsign," while "instance" directly replaces "replica" (CP 4.537, > 1906). Accordingly, there are six classes of replicas/instances and three > additional classes of sinsigns/tokens, which correspond to the outermost > oval in each Venn diagram--iconic sinsigns/tokens, rhematic indexical > sinsigns/tokens, and dicent sinsigns/tokens. > > RM: I have not yet looked at tone/mark, but the same methodology should > make it possible to conclude that each of the six types of token involves a > tone/mark of a particular kind. > > > Indeed, here is what Peirce himself says about this. > > CSP: A *Qualisign *is a quality which is a sign. It cannot actually act > as a sign until it is embodied; but the embodiment has nothing to do with > its character as a sign. > A *Sinsign ...* is an actual existent thing or event which is a sign. It > can only be so through its qualities; so that it involves a qualisign, or > rather, several qualisigns. But these qualisigns are of a peculiar kind and > only form a sign through being actually embodied. (CP 2:244-245, EP 2:291, > 1903) > > CSP: Second, an Iconic Sinsign is any object of experience in so far as > some quality of it makes it determine the idea of an Object. Being an Icon, > and thus a sign by likeness purely, of whatever it may be like, it can only > be interpreted as a sign of essence, or Rheme. It will embody a Qualisign. > (CP 2.255, EP 2:294, 1903) > > > Although qualisigns/tones as "indefinite significant characters" must be > carefully distinguished from legisigns/types as "definitely significant > Forms" (CP 4.537; cf. R 339:276r-277r, 1906 Apr 2), both must be embodied > in sinsigns/tokens in order to *act *as signs. In fact, every > sinsign/token *involves *qualisigns/tones of a peculiar kind, and every > iconic sinsign/token *embodies *a qualisign. > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian > <http://www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt> > www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 5:30 AM robert marty <robert.mart...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > List, > I contribute to the debate with this note that I posted on Academia.edu a > few years ago ... at my peril ... I have not yet looked at tone/mark, but > the same methodology should make it possible to conclude that each of the > six types of token involves a tone/mark of a particular kind. > https://www.academia.edu/61335079/Note_on_Signs_Types_and_Tokens > Regards, > Robert Marty > Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy > fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty > *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > ARISBE: THE PEIRCE GATEWAY is now at > https://cspeirce.com and, just as well, at > https://www.cspeirce.com . It'll take a while to repair / update all the > links! > ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to > peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . > ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to > l...@list.iupui.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the > message and nothing in the body. 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