Hi guys - this was an interesting thread - and exactly the reason why I brought
up “Zapp Empowerment” at ESUG this year.
I felt the passion from every single one of you - and in fact, everyone had an
interesting point to make. I got a bit nervous as I worked up the 40+ replies,
but I was
Tim Mackinnon wrote:
Hi guys - this was an interesting thread - and exactly the reason why I brought
up “Zapp Empowerment” at ESUG this year.
just to let you know, based on your enthusiasm for this book,
I bought it (but not yet read it).
And one minor thought on the original post that
Hi Thierry,
On 10/4/2014 5:32 PM, Thierry Goubier wrote:
I do have specific tools I can use in such circumstances
that you
don't have.
What kind of tools? I would be interested in learning about them
and the
analysis use cases
Hi Florin,
you're in for some interesting questions :)
First, I did not have a methodology for finding the issue (or explaining
the algorithm) when I started, and I didn't have one afterwards; you need
to look into the WhyLine stuff for that (they do a lot better, but I don't
have the time to
Hi Thierry,
On 10/6/2014 9:37 AM, Thierry Goubier wrote:
Hi Florin,
you're in for some interesting questions :)
First, I did not have a methodology for finding the issue (or explaining the
algorithm) when I started, and I didn't
have one afterwards; you need to look into the WhyLine
2014-10-03 17:03 GMT-03:00 stepharo steph...@free.fr:
On 3/10/14 18:56, Hernán Morales Durand wrote:
I have the same feeling. Pharo is yours, but I take the main
decisions. Actually it feels a little bit insulting, I am using Pharo
since several years in a domain which nobody works with
Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Ben,
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com
mailto:b...@openinworld.com wrote:
Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi,
Indeed, you are right about noting that the situation will look
different in a couple of months from now.
Hi Thierry,
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Thierry Goubier thierry.goub...@gmail.com
wrote:
[...]
And now, to make integration easier, we pile more stuff on top of the
existing, bound to be removed, infrastructure: Glamour, Rubric, etc... And
both Glamour and Spec don't make it easy to
Le 04/10/2014 08:14, Tudor Girba a écrit :
Hi Thierry,
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Thierry Goubier
thierry.goub...@gmail.com mailto:thierry.goub...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
And now, to make integration easier, we pile more stuff on top of
the existing, bound to be removed,
exactly and most of us are aware of these tools and the fact that are very
useful because
a) we are registered in the moose mailing list
b) because you have posted a few demonstrations videos about their use
here, in the moose mailing list and in tweeter.
I am very excited that you push pharo
Hi,
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Thierry Goubier thierry.goub...@gmail.com
wrote:
Le 04/10/2014 08:14, Tudor Girba a écrit :
Hi Thierry,
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Thierry Goubier
thierry.goub...@gmail.com mailto:thierry.goub...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
And now, to make
On 3/10/14 23:03, Alain Rastoul wrote:
Le 03/10/2014 22:10, stepharo a écrit :
Hi Stef,
I like your metaphor , and yes, I really hope to share my personal
soup with Pharo community asap. A soup about databases, json,
streaming/map reduce stuff I've been thinking (and still thinking) for
a
Hi,
Le 04/10/2014 11:54, Tudor Girba a écrit :
And now you are starting to have the issue of handling slices on GT
from Pharo: do people have to register on Moose, resynchronize on GT
on Moose, push their slices there, wait for Moose to push a slice to
integrate on Pharo, wait
Le 04/10/2014 12:07, stepharo a écrit :
NativeBoost is not unstable for me, but why libcgit is on a bleeding
edge NativeBoost version then?
I do not get what you want to say. May be restating will help me
understand.
Last time I checked, libcgit was tied to an experimental NativeBoost
Hi Thierry,
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Thierry Goubier thierry.goub...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi,
Le 04/10/2014 11:54, Tudor Girba a écrit :
And now you are starting to have the issue of handling slices on GT
from Pharo: do people have to register on Moose, resynchronize on GT
First of all, if you are referring to me I never said this is a shit.
Second what you see as negativity I see it as honesty and for me is far
more important than Pharo is yours. Assuming honesty does not become
rudeness.
Third I dont recall anyone ever demanding a feature of you guys working
I’m not talking about you or anyone else in particular.
I’m talking about a general attitude I’m sensing.
Now, I can be wrong… of course (and I hope) :)
Esteban
On 03 Oct 2014, at 14:27, kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com wrote:
First of all, if you are referring to me I never said this is
Hi Esteban,
seconding your points, it is important to acknowledge why a solid Pharo
core is important and worth striving towards even if it can be painful.
First, read Bret Victor's reflection on Doug Englebart:
http://worrydream.com/#!/Engelbart
He makes the case that the vision that drove
2014-10-03 8:44 GMT-03:00 Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com:
Please people, we (the pharo “core” team) cannot do everything.
We do not have the manpower or the resources to hire manpower.
We would like, but we just do not have the resources
(is already a blessing that we can work on this,
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com
wrote:
2014-10-03 8:44 GMT-03:00 Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com:
Please people, we (the pharo “core” team) cannot do everything.
We do not have the manpower or the resources to hire manpower.
We would like,
Hi Esteban,
I'm not sure my answer will please you or stef, and maybe I shouldn't voice
it, staying being a customer instead of contributing the way you want
it. Hard words, but yours are hard too.
I'd say simply that Pharo is successfull, fairly successfull for someone
like me. It allows me to
2014-10-03 9:27 GMT-03:00 kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com:
First of all, if you are referring to me I never said this is a shit.
Second what you see as negativity I see it as honesty and for me is far
more important than Pharo is yours. Assuming honesty does not become
rudeness.
Third I
Generalisations and assumptions lead nowhere , personally I prefer someone
that will tell me fuck you I don't like your attitude than someone that
tries via diplomacy to make a point just so he does not raise the tentions
and hurt egos.
If there is such a problem as you claim and you are serious
On 3/10/14 14:58, J.F. Rick wrote:
Hi Esteban,
seconding your points, it is important to acknowledge why a solid
Pharo core is important and worth striving towards even if it can be
painful. First, read Bret Victor's reflection on Doug Englebart:
http://worrydream.com/#!/Engelbart
So, having an OPEN SOURCE project, with limited resources means that there is a
lot of things that depend on the community.
It depends on the community not just to fix, but to enlarge the ecosystem in
general too.
It is a matter of tolerance and patience.
Not only it is a matter of people
On 3/10/14 17:07, Thierry Goubier wrote:
Hi Esteban,
I'm not sure my answer will please you or stef, and maybe I shouldn't
voice it, staying being a customer instead of contributing the way
you want it. Hard words, but yours are hard too.
I'd say simply that Pharo is successfull, fairly
Hi,
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:48 PM, stepharo steph...@free.fr wrote:
You see we started Athens more than two years ago. It is a success for
external tools like moose and Roassal but
without TxText Athens will just be a nice package not change the face of
Pharo and we will get there.
Fourth I have to say that I really don't get the Pharo is yours
motto. Is there software out there , open source or not that does not
listen to its community and does not try hard to makes its users happy
? Pharo is not mine, If I designed Pharo I would make a lot more
diffirent choices than
Le 03/10/2014 13:44, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
I’m writing this because I’m sad about what is happening in this list.
Hi Esteban,
Don't be sad about negativity. I think it is a sign of good health for
Pharo. First of all it is a feedback, it should raise a red flag
somewhere: some
On 3/10/14 18:56, Hernán Morales Durand wrote:
I have the same feeling. Pharo is yours, but I take the main
decisions. Actually it feels a little bit insulting, I am using Pharo
since several years in a domain which nobody works with Smalltalk, and
never got a survey request (except for
TxText will happen. It's too important to leave it unhappening :).
Oh yes like OSWindow, GTToolkit and many other things. :)
Stef
Thanks alain.
Here is my metaphor: I help myself and share my soup of stones with
people that want to improve our soup of stones.
At the end our soup may be great.
Another way to present my metaphor is: focus on what you need and
change the system (and send us fixes/enhancements) on what you
Thanks Hilaire.
Yes you know it pretty well being a producer is sometimes tiring :)
Stef
Le 03/10/2014 13:44, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
I’m writing this because I’m sad about what is happening in this list.
Hi Esteban,
Don't be sad about negativity. I think it is a sign of good health for
2014-10-03 16:42 GMT-03:00 stepharo steph...@free.fr:
You keep doing your great job, but accept that we, outside of the
internal, core, revolutionary research being made, might have mundane
necessities. That on the daily basis have more importance than a
futuristic 128bit manycore vm that
I agree 100% with Thierry.
I wrote and complain about it months ago: we need consolidation in the
newly developed stuff we have. So it may mean to slow down and
polishing. Because from my point of view, I don't understand where is
moving Pharo, but true it is moving.
Hilaire
Le 03/10/2014
Hi,
The intention of the message of Esteban is to urge people to be positive.
Nothing else.
Keep in mind that email is a rather poor environment and simply ask
yourself before sending a message if it can have a chance of leading to
something better. Positive does not mean no criticism. On the
Le 03/10/2014 22:10, stepharo a écrit :
Hi Stef,
I like your metaphor , and yes, I really hope to share my personal soup
with Pharo community asap. A soup about databases, json, streaming/map
reduce stuff I've been thinking (and still thinking) for a while now.
All of that still in an alpha
Le 03/10/2014 21:48, stepharo a écrit :
On 3/10/14 17:07, Thierry Goubier wrote:
Hi Esteban,
I'm not sure my answer will please you or stef, and maybe I shouldn't
voice it, staying being a customer instead of contributing the way
you want it. Hard words, but yours are hard too.
I'd say
Thierry Goubier wrote:
Le 03/10/2014 21:48, stepharo a écrit :
On 3/10/14 17:07, Thierry Goubier wrote:
Hi Esteban,
I'm not sure my answer will please you or stef, and maybe I shouldn't
voice it, staying being a customer instead of contributing the way
you want it. Hard words, but yours are
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