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I'll leave some research links that show a critical approach on how technology can be used for discrimination and to create discriminatory environments, even in places where technology is created: * http://codingplaces.net/ * https://bookbook.pubpub.org/data-feminism *

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Quezadas Sent: 24 September 2019 04:32 To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct Thank you for that well-stated argument. I agree, offray's argument is silly. It's like saying that there aren't many male kindergarten teachers and that this is evidence

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Thank you for that well-stated argument. I agree, offray's argument is silly. It's like saying that there aren't many male kindergarten teachers and that this is evidence that the school system is "sexist". - Steve PS Can we please just kill the CoC it's making this maillist political. On Mon,

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Let's look at some official numbers. Looking at https://www.hesa.ac.uk/news/11-01-2018/sfr247-higher-education-student-statistics/qualifications we see that overall, female graduates outnumbered male graduates about 4 to 3 in each of the three years recorded. The imbalance in science graduates

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But your reading of non-interest in CS within the sub-culture of blacks and women is a confirmation bias, reading from numbers in a circular fashion: low inscription numbers in sub-cultures show a non-interest, which is confirmed by those low numbers. I can tell you first hand that my

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I am a dark-skinned hispanic male from the United States and have not experienced any discriminatary practices whatsoever. Nor have I witnessed anything that I find that "is a problem" in the tech world. As far as "colleges are set up to make it easier for white males to succeed" is patently

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Steve Quezadas wrote: > Your interpreting this information with a SJW lens. SJW is a political construct from the extreme right. As a straight white male from Western Europe I have seen enough discriminatory practices applied to less privileged friends to know there is a problem. And as I can

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I'm not interpreting anything, particularly I'm not interpreting that part, as I just point to the whole FAQ without making a particular interpretation of snippets of it. Do your PR in the repo. I'm pretty sure that the bulk of your contributions to Pharo and the force of your arguments and

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> But the low rate at which marginalized people are recruited, and > the high rate at which they leave the industry , point to a larger > cultural and systemic problem. Your interpreting this information with a SJW lens. Otherwise known as "confirmation

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I agreed that the last decision should be on the ones who made the bulk of the work. But I don't see relationship between a code of conduct and not being able to talk about code or contributions quality. Just looking at the FAQ of the original CoC that originated the whole think, I see a lot of

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This is not a question of left vs right. It's a question of authoritarian vs libertarian. And this is very relevant to the community. It's also not a question of democracy vs central authority. It's a question of vs παρρησία vs goodspeak. And this is very relevant to the community also. Pharo is

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My point was that this community, as a the big majority of FLOSS ones, is not a democracy and *not* having a democracy has shown its benefits in human endeavors like science, technology, hackerspaces and so on. I'll keep the rest of the conversation with you on the source code repository and the

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This isn't science, this is a community. We don't need a CoC, there haven't been any problems on this list regarding nazis or whatever. This is just a group of people trying to enforce their political ideologies on everyone else. Let's just remove the CoC altogether and just replace it with one

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There is no data to support such supposed majority. But even so, free, libre, open source communities are not democracies. Imagine the quality of code or argumentation based on perceived majorities? If science would be a democracy, the earth would be "still" flat. On 22/09/19 6:04 p. m., Steve

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I would say that the majority don't seem to be in favor of it. This should be a democracy. On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 1:53 PM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < offray.l...@mutabit.com> wrote: > > On 22/09/19 3:38 p. m., Steve Quezadas wrote: > > > The discussion so far shows that CoC is not a

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On 22/09/19 3:38 p. m., Steve Quezadas wrote: > > The discussion so far shows that CoC is not a distraction to many  > > Actually, the discussion shows that the CoC is "a distraction to many". Actually it shows that some people consider it a distraction, others don't. I think that every body

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> The discussion so far shows that CoC is not a distraction to many Actually, the discussion shows that the CoC is "a distraction to many". On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 10:12 AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < offray.l...@mutabit.com> wrote: > Hi, > > On 21/09/19 11:38 p. m., Jerry Kott wrote: > >

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Hi, On 21/09/19 11:38 p. m., Jerry Kott wrote: > The point here is: as a community, Pharo (and other Smalltalk groups) > has a lot of work to do. Code of Conduct is an unnecessary and > wasteful distraction. In the meantime, I see no discussions here about > how are we going to address the

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Just… WOW. I’ve been fighting the urge to add my two cents to the discussion, but didn’t feel ‘qualified’ - I’ve been just lurking here, both on the mailing list and this topic. I haven’t contributed to Pharo (yet), but any discussion that involves freedom of expression (which this is I

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My issue is that this covenant is selectively applied to some things, but not others. The wording might change, but the cultural attitude will prevail on how it gets "enforced". Again, the best thing to do is simply keep it neutral and anything not related to pharo get thrown out as "off-topic".

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A nice thing about open source and the use of Git is that changes can be proposed and adopted quickly. Any proposal should be judged, not on whether it is perfect, but whether it makes an improvement. As a corollary, don’t assume that the current state is the ideal, but treat it as a platform

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Ramon Leon wrote: > > It's not, identity politics are left wing politics That requires using a definition of left wing politics where neo-nazis and alt-right are left wing. That definition is not common here in Western Europe. I’m happy for you and that you have enough privilege that you can

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Le 19/09/2019 à 21:20, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : > > So we are going to take the simplest one we could find that still can > serve our community, you can see it here:  > > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/4660 > Hello, Given the heat up on the ml, I took a look on the PR. It looks

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FYI, Richard Stallman got "cancelled" out of his life's work because some silly side-comment trigged some "woke" individual out there. In the real world, covenants are often used as an excuse to silence someone with an implicit threat because he said something that someone didn't want to hear,

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Hi, For me is kind of curious how all this discussion on the Code of Conduct has showed some hidden assumptions. For example, it seems that having one and mentioning identity in it shows from a left wing progressive agenda, but not having any or not talking about identity doesn't show a... "right

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On 2019-09-20 3:03 p.m., Steve Quezadas wrote: I think the "covenant" should be a single line: "keep the subject matter on pharo, anything else is off-topic". This list should be politically neutral. I agree. The leadership apparently does not, left wing social justice identity politics is

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I think the "covenant" should be a single line: "keep the subject matter on pharo, anything else is off-topic". This list should be politically neutral. I personally hate politics because neither side ever gets the other side to "see the light". It's a religous argument basically. The problem is

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On 2019-09-20 12:33 p.m., Ben Coman wrote: A fair response Ben. A good compromise is sometimes said to be when opposing parties are> **equally** dissatisfied. The new version is much better, I believe I said that. James and Norbert made some final and excellent changes that mostly fixed

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On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 at 01:35, Ramon Leon wrote: > On 2019-09-20 7:44 a.m., Steve Quezadas wrote: > > Or maybe you're too easily offended and the problem lies with you. > Its all too easy for threads to drag out tit for tat. I'd be impressed to see who can take the high road to wrap this up.

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On 2019-09-20 7:44 a.m., Steve Quezadas wrote: Or maybe you're too easily offended and the problem lies with you. It's fairly obvious now, the Pharo leadership is occupied by left wing progressives who are intent on bringing identity politics into the community. While the new CoC is vastly

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uns have no place in a civilised society', which was certainly > a value judgement, specifically about John Pfersich. Please stop. > > > > Peter Kenny > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Pharo-users On Behalf Of > Sven Van Caekenberghe > > Sent: 20 Se

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On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 9:21 PM Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > Hello, > > I’m talking on behalf of the Pharo Board here. > As start, we accepted Serge’s proposition without actually discussing it much > because we didn’t think it was going to be really a problem. Our community > has been

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> -Original Message- > From: Pharo-users On Behalf Of Sven Van > Caekenberghe > Sent: 20 September 2019 10:11 > To: Any question about pharo is welcome > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct > > > >> On 20 Sep 2019, at 06:17, john pfersich wrot

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e no place in a civilised society', which was certainly a > value judgement, specifically about John Pfersich. Please stop. > > Peter Kenny > > -Original Message- > From: Pharo-users On Behalf Of Sven Van > Caekenberghe > Sent: 20 September 2019 10:11 > To: Any question

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, specifically about John Pfersich. Please stop. Peter Kenny -Original Message- From: Pharo-users On Behalf Of Sven Van Caekenberghe Sent: 20 September 2019 10:11 To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct > On 20 Sep 2019, at 06:17, john pfers

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> On 20 Sep 2019, at 06:17, john pfersich wrote: > > I have no interest in supporting a left-wing snowflake “Code of Conduct”. You are violating the implicit rules of engagement in this mailing list: you are going off topic, you are using this platform to talk about politics and you are

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Before this thread CoC was actually Clash of Clans for me, it turns out there could be some connections ^_^. I learned a lot reading this thread and this is really interesting in understanding how communities work (how collaboration works). I will talk to student about that in a lecture we do

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> On 20 Sep 2019, at 09:55, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > > A wish from my side: please spend half of your energy you want to spend on > this thread > into fixing bugs or contributing a PR. Thanks! +42 :) > > Bye > T.

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A wish from my side: please spend half of your energy you want to spend on this thread  into fixing bugs or contributing a PR. Thanks!   Bye T.

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https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/4663 Norbert > Am 20.09.2019 um 08:51 schrieb Norbert Hartl : > > > >> Am 20.09.2019 um 06:45 schrieb James Foster > >: >> >> First, my guess is that it was part of

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> Am 20.09.2019 um 06:45 schrieb James Foster : > > First, my guess is that it was part of the thing they copied and that aspect > might not have gotten as much thought as you’ve given it. > That is right. I wondered myself about the last part but did not think about it too much. > Second,

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Yeah, I agree, what I say or do outside the Pharo channels is completely my business. this 'code' has no place here. Hell, Richard Stallman got deprived out of his LIFE'S WORK over a technical definition of what constitutes statutory rape, which is silly. Please remove this nonsense out of the

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First, my guess is that it was part of the thing they copied and that aspect might not have gotten as much thought as you’ve given it. Second, this is an international organization and maybe the intent (by the original author(s)) was to extend the reach of the NZ/UK/EU-style laws to apply to

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Before doing that would you be willing to submit a PR with a proposed improvement (and a discussion of why)? > On Sep 19, 2019, at 9:17 PM, john pfersich wrote: > > And I don’t intend to abide by it. I’ll cancel my Pharo Association > contribution and my contribution to Stephane’s Spec book.

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And I don’t intend to abide by it. I’ll cancel my Pharo Association contribution and my contribution to Stephane’s Spec book. I have no interest in supporting a left-wing snowflake “Code of Conduct”. /*—-*/ Sent from my iPhone

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On the whole, the new code is pretty good. There was one thing that troubled me, though: "even outside of Pharo's public communication channels." What business is it of the Pharo Board what anyone says in any other community? I've heard too many cases where A says something to B and C complains

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Hello, I’m talking on behalf of the Pharo Board here. As start, we accepted Serge’s proposition without actually discussing it much because we didn’t think it was going to be really a problem. Our community has been self-regulating since the beginning and we were doing it fine until now.

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makes me wonder whether he's such a machiavellian sociopath, or a useful idiot. On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 23:07, Eugen Leitl via Pharo-users < pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote: > Let's see, I've posted one email to this list describing the dangers > of abusing CoCs I guess you refer to this

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--- Begin Message --- On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 10:35:51AM -0500, Offray Vladimir Luna C??rdenas wrote: > The post was deleted not because of the CoC, but because of an Allright, but this is what GitHub told me 3 hours ago: A maintainer of the @pharo-project organization has blocked you because of

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The post was deleted not because of the CoC, but because of an unrespectful treatment of one of the members of the community, as the conversation here shows. And in fact what this probe that we care as a community for the well being of the community and its members, specially when complex matters

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--- Begin Message --- On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 08:25:47AM -0500, Offray Vladimir Luna C??rdenas wrote: > I think that the comment was referred to the comment made on the PR (not > on this list) that was insulting Serge (which I will not repeat). It has Let's see, I've posted one email to this

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of the board, to tell us. Peter Kenny From: Pharo-users On Behalf Of Esteban Lorenzano Sent: 19 September 2019 14:49 To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct Offray is right. And no, I was not referring to you but in general :) Esteban

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>> On 19 Sep 2019, at 15:32, PBKResearch wrote >> You may be right, though I don’t think so. But ‘You have been warned’ was aimed at me; I’m sure of that. > > On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 21:50, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > Offray is right. > And no, I was not referring to you but in general :) >

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> > From: Pharo-users On Behalf Of Offray > Vladimir Luna Cárdenas > Sent: 19 September 2019 14:26 > To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct > > Peter, > I think that the comment was referred to the comment made on the PR (not

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> > > Peter Kenny > > > > From: Pharo-users On Behalf Of Offray > Vladimir Luna Cárdenas > Sent: 19 September 2019 14:26 > To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct > > > > Peter, > > I think that the comment was

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self without waiting to be banned. Peter Kenny From: Pharo-users <mailto:pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org> On Behalf Of Esteban Lorenzano Sent: 19 September 2019 12:49 To: Any question about pharo is welcome <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Code

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he topic and > expressed in moderate language, are no longer welcome, I shall absent > myself without waiting to be banned. > >   > > Peter Kenny > >   > > *From:*Pharo-users *On Behalf Of > *Esteban Lorenzano > *Sent:* 19 September 2019 12:49 > *To:* Any q

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2019 12:49 To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct On 19 Sep 2019, at 12:22, PBKResearch mailto:pe...@pbkresearch.co.uk> > wrote: I don’t think this conversation can be closed while things are in the present unclear situation. The

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t mean that James’s proposal has been >>>> rejected? If so, why? >>>>   >>>> If the conversation is closed now, that means that we are tacitly >>>> accepting that the code is there and in force, and also tacitly >>>> accepting how it got

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ected? If so, why? >>> >>> If the conversation is closed now, that means that we are tacitly accepting >>> that the code is there and in force, and also tacitly accepting how it got >>> there. What is necessary is for the board collectively, or someone >>&g

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t – preferably with >> justifications. >>   >> Peter Kenny  >>   >> *From:* Pharo-users > <mailto:pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org>> *On Behalf Of *Steve >> Quezadas >> *Sent:* 19 September 2019 03:35 >> *To:* Any question about pharo is w

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pen next – preferably with justifications. > > Peter Kenny > > From: Pharo-users On Behalf Of Steve > Quezadas > Sent: 19 September 2019 03:35 > To: Any question about pharo is welcome > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] R: Code of Conduct > > Yeah, I agree. Why is t

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; > From: Pharo-users <mailto:pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org>> On Behalf Of Steve Quezadas > Sent: 19 September 2019 03:35 > To: Any question about pharo is welcome <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] R: Code of Conduct > > Y

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Of Steve Quezadas Sent: 19 September 2019 03:35 To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] R: Code of Conduct Yeah, I agree. Why is this even here? The thing I like about this maillist is that its very community oriented and everyone here helps each other. It's devoid

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+100 // For encrypted mail use jgpfers...@protonmail.com Get a free account at ProtonMail.com Web: www.objectnets.net and www.objectnets.org > On Sep 17, 2019, at 16:29, Ramon Leon wrote: > >> On 2019-09-17 2:34 p.m., Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: >> as I say the

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I do not agree to have a code of conduct. In my 20 years in the various Smalltalk communities i never saw any harassment or whatever (quite the opposite). Self organization is much better, if someone "misbehave" it will be ignored by those who think that action was "misbehavior". El

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> One doesn't need a Code of Conduct. It is ridiculous. > > Civilized and respectful non discriminating behaviour should > be implicit in everyone of us! > > If one insists in having a code of conduct than this should cover it all: > "Be Nice, Social And Respectful To Each Living Being." +100

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Couldn't resist entering this doubtful CoC thread, just to enter a few lines and then I am gone again. One doesn't need a Code of Conduct. It is ridiculous. Civilized and respectful non discriminating behaviour should be implicit in everyone of us! If one insists in having a code of conduct

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-users On Behalf Of Serge Stinckwich Sent: 18 September 2019 08:33 To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 2:11 AM James Foster mailto:smallt...@jgfoster.net> > wrote: One side-effect of the “Covenant” disc

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On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 2:11 AM James Foster wrote: > One side-effect of the “Covenant” discussion is that it is necessarily > political, which is something that many (rightly, in my view) are trying to > avoid. While I agree with most of the views expressed so far, I cringe > because I

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I'm a member of several communities which are welcoming and diverse, without a explicit Code of Conduct. That's doesn't mean that such communities doesn't see the political nature of technology, or that the way people participate on such communities is not deeply informed on who the participants

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> On Sep 17, 2019, at 5:19 PM, Ramon Leon wrote: > > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/blob/Pharo8.0/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md Thanks. I’ve submitted a PR to use ACM. Let’s move the discussion to https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/4637.

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On 2019-09-17 5:11 p.m., James Foster wrote: If there was, indeed, adoption of a “Covenant” it should have been done by the board whose role “is to make decisions if in the future the community can't decide on a course of action” (https://pharo.org/about). I suggest that we suspend discussion

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One side-effect of the “Covenant” discussion is that it is necessarily political, which is something that many (rightly, in my view) are trying to avoid. While I agree with most of the views expressed so far, I cringe because I anticipate that someone who disagrees will feel the compulsion to

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You just wrote what I didn't quite dare to say. Thank you. On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 11:29, Ramon Leon wrote: > On 2019-09-17 2:34 p.m., Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: > > as I say the important issue is to provide safe > > spaces via explicit or implicit rules > > I understand, I just

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On 2019-09-17 4:26 p.m., Richard O'Keefe wrote: I see the so-called "Covenant" that we are discussing as another example of this urge to micro-control other people.  It has me nervously looking for the exit. I couldn't agree more. -- Ramón León

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On 2019-09-17 2:34 p.m., Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: as I say the important issue is to provide safe spaces via explicit or implicit rules I understand, I just disagree. These are of course my personal opinions, others may disagree. "Safe spaces" are bad things, not good things; the

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Correspondents should be warned that the phrase "safe spaces" needs a trigger warning. I am not joking here. People who are genuinely sensitive to the perceptions and concerns of others really should avoid that concept because there are many people in whom it arouses strong negative feelings.

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Ramon, I'm not talking about the Covenant code in particular. Is not the only code out there and as I say the important issue is to provide safe spaces via explicit or implicit rules. Each community decides which is the best way to be welcomed and respectful and how this is clear to its members

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On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:28 AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: > For example, in Latin America I have not seen a huge movement about new > pronouns and I don't know any of such for Spanish. The movement in LATAM started by the use of gender-neutral plurals, with some phonetic aberrations

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On 2019-09-17 6:28 a.m., Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: I'm pretty secure that Code of Conducts intent to provide secure spaces beyond just digital spaces and go also into physical and face to face ones. The code of conducts intent is to force identity politics into technical spaces in

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Hi, For me, communities should be secure spaces in general for the people, not for the arguments, which means that constructive criticism should be addressed to the arguments in a community without personal attacks on the people there, as a general rule. I'm pretty secure that Code of Conducts

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--- Begin Message --- On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 11:58:17AM -0700, Ramon Leon wrote: > It's sad to see that Pharo has jumped onto this PC bandwagon, it does not > bode well for the community. I agree. Technical people are too easy to exploit by malignant manipulators of people. All too often they

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There was a point raised in the Ruby discussion (where my thoughts about Matz changed from "inventor of a language that filled a much-needed gap" to "really thoughtful so maybe I was wrong about Ruby") which I think is sufficient reason for a major revision to the Coraline Code. (For the record,

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On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 3:59 PM Ramon Leon wrote: > > On 2019-09-11 1:07 p.m., Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > > merely say that no one (including from those categories) will be harassed > > inside the Pharo community. Seems pretty reasonable, unless I'm missing > > something... > > You're missing what

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+100 // For encrypted mail use jgpfers...@protonmail.com Get a free account at ProtonMail.com Web: www.objectnets.net and www.objectnets.org > On Sep 12, 2019, at 10:13, Richard O'Keefe wrote: > > There are some aspects of the "Covenant" that rub me up the wrong way. > I

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There are some aspects of the "Covenant" that rub me up the wrong way. I note that the only part of it where anyone actually promises to do (or not do) anything is the "Pledge", which rather pointedly refrains from treating people with different political viewpoints (like gun ownership, or like

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. Peter Kenny From: Pharo-users On Behalf Of Peter Kenny Sent: 11 September 2019 22:02 To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct I see no problem with having *a* code of conduct, but there are some worrying aspects of *this* code. Clearly there is a need

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Thanks for sharing that, Peter. It's an important point. On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 2:02 PM Peter Kenny wrote: > I see no problem with having *a* code of conduct, but there are some > worrying aspects of *this* code. Clearly there is a need for generality in > any code, but the vagueness of the

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I see no problem with having *a* code of conduct, but there are some worrying aspects of *this* code. Clearly there is a need for generality in any code, but the vagueness of the drafting seems to me to open it up to all sorts of mischief. Consider the paragraph:" *Project maintainers have the

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Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote > https://www.contributor-covenant.org/version/1/4/code-of-conduct - which > is quite popular and generally accepted. Based on the reaction earlier in the thread, I was expecting something highly opinionated and polarizing, but it seems to boil down to: be

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> On 11 Sep 2019, at 19:07, James Foster wrote: > > >> On Sep 11, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas >> wrote: >> >> On 11/09/19 9:14 a. m., Herby Vojčík wrote: >>> I found Contributor Covenant-derived Code of Conduct was added to >>> Pharo, three months ago. This is

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> On Sep 11, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas > wrote: > > On 11/09/19 9:14 a. m., Herby Vojčík wrote: >> I found Contributor Covenant-derived Code of Conduct was added to >> Pharo, three months ago. This is unacceptable under any circumstances. >> >> Have fun in your woke