Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
l Message - > From: Ricardo_Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: ProFox Email List > Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:13:43 -0300 > Subject: Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan > >> Michael Madigan wrote: >>> Lets see. >&

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread jeff
But the list is long of who Iraq did attack, gas, promoted terrorism against, torture,... - Original Message - From: Ricardo_Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ProFox Email List Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:13:43 -0300 Subject: Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan >

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
t; wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Ricardo, >>>> >>>> Haven't you worked out yet that in Michaels mind, >> if >>>> you criticize anything to do with Israel you are a >>>> Jew Hater. Likewise were you to criticize GWB's >

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
ttp://www.tccutlery.com > http://www.bierschwale.com > http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Michael Madigan > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:34 PM > To: ProFox Email Li

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote: > Kennedy stared the bastards in the eye and the > Russians backed down. > > That's what we have to do with the rag heads. > Cool. So please, please go live in the twin towers when they rebuild them. We'll see what the 'rag heads' have to do with you. > > > > --- Bill

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
ECTED] On Behalf Of Leland Jackson Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 1:59 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan Neither has Iraq ever attacked the US. We were attacked by a small group of Terrorist/Pirate on 9/11. The attackers pledged alliance

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
, January 15, 2007 1:14 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan On Jan 15, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: > I remember walking down an alley in the late 70's looking for a bar in > alexandria egypt.. > A little ole guy c

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Leland Jackson
Below is a definition of "Islam". Based on my understanding of the Bible, as God's word to Christians, and all the divergence it has created among the many Christian branches and denominations, I do not understand how Islam in all of its divergence could unit as a group of terrorist against the

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Michael Madigan
So has Islam. Leland Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually, German declared war on the U.S.: http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/germany-declares.htm The first Gulf war was not without consequence, but what does this all have to do with the attack of 9/11 by a group of terror

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Leland Jackson
Actually, German declared war on the U.S.: http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/germany-declares.htm The first Gulf war was not without consequence, but what does this all have to do with the attack of 9/11 by a group of terrorist? http://www.historyguy.com/GulfWar.html Regards, Lel

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2007-01-15 Thread Michael Madigan
No, Iraq invaded Kuwait, a US Ally. Germany never attacked us either. --- Leland Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, Iraq has never attacked the US, but we have > attacked Iraq at least > twice. Is that correct? > > Regards, > > LelandJ > > > Michael Madigan wrote: > > >We were sti

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Leland Jackson
gt; >>>>sails had been set, >>>>and nothing shot of a conscience change in course >>>>could have prevented >>>>the Holocaust. >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>> >>>>LelandJ >>>> >>>>Michael Ma

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Michael Madigan
gt; > >>> > >>>--- Adam Buckland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> > >>> > >>wrote: > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Ricardo

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Leland Jackson
am Buckland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> >>wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Ricardo, >>>> >>>>Haven't you worked out yet that in Michaels mind, >>>> &

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Michael Madigan
ican > >>Citizen. If you criticicized and are not a US > >>citizen then you're a terrorist. > >> > >>::a > >> > >>PS He doesn't know the definition of liberal > either. > >> > >> > >>-Original Message-

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 15, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: > I remember walking down an alley in the late 70's looking for a bar in > alexandria egypt.. > A little ole guy come up missing an arm and knife cuts on his face > and said > you don't belong here. Sounds like some of the locals in

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Leland Jackson
>> >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>Ricardo Aráoz >>Sent: 15 January 2007 09:16 >>To: ProFox Email List >>Subject: Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to >>offer o

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
ECTED] On Behalf Of john harvey Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:37 PM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan I like the show, but I'm having a hard time figuring it out. I don't watch it all the time, but it seems everytime I d

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
ttp://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwale.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:34 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan Based

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread john harvey
Helio W. Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 10:26 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan Wrong show. You should watch Battlestar Galactica. On 1/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > one thing I do agree with bill on >

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Michael Madigan
Kennedy stared the bastards in the eye and the Russians backed down. That's what we have to do with the rag heads. --- Bill Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > We're at war today > > > > No. The war ended almost 4 years ago. We are an > > occupying army now. > > > We've got our fi

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Michael Madigan
Based on past performance, what are the odds that Ed is right about it? Zero? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > let's hope you're right and I'm wrong > -Original Message- > > From: Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subj: Re: [OT] Bush challenges

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Michael Madigan
The same old shit. Mission Accomplished. He can't come up with anything better. --- Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 15, 2007, at 9:50 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > you don't know that for a fact > > Two words: Mission Accomplished. > > > I

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Michael Madigan
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Ricardo Aráoz > Sent: 15 January 2007 09:16 > To: ProFox Email List > Subject: Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to > offer own plan > > Michael Madigan wrote: >

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Michael Madigan
There is no difference. I haven't met one Israeli hater that wasn't a Jew-hater. --- Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Madigan wrote: > > Of course the dirty Arabs attacked Israel on a > Jewish > > holy day. But of course a Jew-hater like you > would > > conveniently forget th

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
10:26 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan Wrong show. You should watch Battlestar Galactica. On 1/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > one thing I do agree with bill on > if you watched 24 last night there is a g

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
lf Of Bill Arnold Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:52 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan > > We're at war today > > No. The war ended almost 4 years ago. We are an occupying army now. We've got our finger

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
lesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:14 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan On Jan 15, 2007, at 9:50 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 15, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Bill Arnold wrote: >> No. The war ended almost 4 years ago. We are an >> occupying army now. > > We don't understand or respect our enemy. We should be able to understand that they aren't that different from us when it comes to dealing with an occupying arm

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Leland Jackson
Below is the Neoconservative National Anthem from Notable Quotes: # No one likes us. I don't know why. We may not be perfect, We give them money, But heaven knows we try. But are they grateful? But all around, No, they're spiteful, Even our old friends put us down

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Helio W.
Wrong show. You should watch Battlestar Galactica. On 1/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > one thing I do agree with bill on > if you watched 24 last night there is a guy taking all rights away > forget his name, just look for the weasel --- StripMime Report -- processed MIM

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Bill Arnold
> > We're at war today > > No. The war ended almost 4 years ago. We are an > occupying army now. We've got our finger stuck in Muslim/Arab eyes, and we're one more serious attack away from a far deeper appreciation of what's been wrought on us by the warmongers occupying our capital and i

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread vbiersch
let's hope you're right and I'm wrong -Original Message- From: Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan Date: Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:14 am Size: 867 bytes To: ProFox Email List On Jan 15, 2007, at 9:50 AM, <[E

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 15, 2007, at 9:50 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you don't know that for a fact Two words: Mission Accomplished. > I believe its just a matter of time before new york is hit again Hey, I believe that it's just a matter of time until the Packers win

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread vbiersch
t;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan Date: Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:43 am Size: 653 bytes To: ProFox Email List On Jan 15, 2007, at 9:04 AM, Bill Arnold wrote: > We're at war today No. The war ended almost 4 years ago. We are an occupyi

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 15, 2007, at 9:04 AM, Bill Arnold wrote: > We're at war today No. The war ended almost 4 years ago. We are an occupying army now. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscripti

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Bill Arnold
We're at war today, and I believe it's in large measure due to the influence of 'Soliders of Israel' in our gov't and media. They've teamed up with bedfellows in Big Oil and the MI Complex to pull off "The most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since Vietnam," as Sen Hagel put it.

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Adam Buckland
're a terrorist. ::a PS He doesn't know the definition of liberal either. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: 15 January 2007 09:16 To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own pl

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote: > Of course the dirty Arabs attacked Israel on a Jewish > holy day. But of course a Jew-hater like you would > conveniently forget that. > Did you mean to say Israeli-hater? Can you perceive the difference? > > > --- Bill Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It wo

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote: > Retard, > > Where did I say deport? I said they would obviously > be more happy in another country. Maybe they can all > go to Argentina where all the other Nazis went. > Nah! We are all retards around here. Ask your SS (a.k.a. secret service). > > > --- Ricardo Ará

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Pete Theisen wrote: > On Sunday 14 January 2007 3:07 pm, Bill Arnold wrote: > >> The only real way to stop them is to stop people from wanting to use >> them. > > Hi Bill! > > That is called "appeasement" Never worked. Wow! And you know the 'correct' word. How's that called? Anyway, if you know

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Michael Madigan
I betcha Bush can get into Canada. --- Pete Theisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 14 January 2007 8:33 am, Bill Arnold > wrote: > > > Of course, because the central component of any > real, workable plan > > would start with making him and his gang culpable. > > Hi Bill! > > How abou

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Michael Madigan
Put him in a home for his own safety. > Hi Bill! > > Put you on trial for propaganda. > > Regards, > > Pete > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: ht

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Michael Madigan
Of course the dirty Arabs attacked Israel on a Jewish holy day. But of course a Jew-hater like you would conveniently forget that. --- Bill Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> It wouldn't matter to us much if they didn't > control a commodity > that > > >> the whole world has developed a

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Michael Madigan
Retard, Where did I say deport? I said they would obviously be more happy in another country. Maybe they can all go to Argentina where all the other Nazis went. --- Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Madigan wrote: > > Thanks Jeff. > > > > Sometimes you wonder if some of the

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Michael Madigan
#16 Make Bill take his medicine. #17 Make Bill wear his tin hat to block Dick Cheney from getting into his mind. #18 Blame the Illuminati and the Trilateral commission #19 What does Edgar Cayce say about it? #20 What about area 51? #21 Don't leave Leo Wanta out of this equation #22 Did John W

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Pete Theisen
On Sunday 14 January 2007 3:10 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: > it's just my view of the issue and as I live in a free country > (Argentina) I'm entitled to it and to express it. Anyway I guess I'm in > for some flak. Hi Ricardo! Yawn! Nothing you haven't delivered yourself of before. -- Regards, Pe

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Pete Theisen
On Sunday 14 January 2007 3:07 pm, Bill Arnold wrote: > > The only real way to stop them is to stop people from wanting to use > them. Hi Bill! That is called "appeasement" Never worked. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messag

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Pete Theisen
On Sunday 14 January 2007 8:33 am, Bill Arnold wrote: > Of course, because the central component of any real, workable plan > would start with making him and his gang culpable. Hi Bill! How about if we make you do time for every illegal thing you ever done? You want to prosecute the man when he

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Pete Theisen
On Sunday 14 January 2007 7:58 am, Bill Arnold wrote: > 'To oppose everything while proposing nothing is irresponsible,' he says > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16611409/from/RS.3/ > > Okay then, here's a 15 point plan for those who say they oppose the war, > but then can't figure out what to say whe

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Helio W.
Come onn Virgil, would you let other countries pursue their economic interests freely without US intervening? OK, maybe you would, but US elites wouldn't. It's not so simple as that. Reality is a big mess. On 1/14/07, Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For what its

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
l Bierschwale http://www.virgilslist.com http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwale.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Arnold Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:00 PM To: 'ProFox Email List' Sub

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Bill Arnold
> Lets just say that we fall for this foolishness and we do it. > And while we're making mistakes, lets assume that a court > finds that they did nothing wrong . > > Whats next after this witch hunt ? > Do we go after bill arnold because we all were foolish enough > to follow him ? Virgil, if

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
chwale.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Arnold Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 6:58 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan 'To oppose everyth

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Bill Arnold
> >> It wouldn't matter to us much if they didn't control a commodity that > >> the whole world has developed a dependence on. > >> Oil When OPEC decided to flex their muscle in the mid 70's, it sent shock > >> waves through out the entire world economically speaking. Double > >> digit inflation,

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Bill Arnold
> > I agree! But, still, that house is burning now, and we've got to come > > up with a way to put it out in such a way that we don't wind up with a > > million people on a mission to hurt us. > > It is not your business to put away the fire. Enough damage > you've already done. And there alr

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Bill Arnold wrote: > >> It wouldn't matter to us much if they didn't control a commodity that >> the whole world has developed a dependence on. >> Oil >> When OPEC decided to flex their muscle in the mid 70's, it sent shock >> waves through out the entire world economically speaking. Double >

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote: > Thanks Jeff. > > Sometimes you wonder if some of the people on this > list wouldn't enjoy the rest of their life better in > some other country. What's keeping them here? Isn't > it immoral for them to remain in such a terrible > place? I think maybe they should move to

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Jeff wrote: > forest and trees > I have seen way too many people ignoring some basic facts to why we > are over there to begin with. 9/11 wasn't the first time we came > across terrorism, it was just the first time that massive non > combatant 'Infidel' were visual reported of Americans. The lis

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Bill Arnold wrote: > I want us out of there as much as you do, but I believe passions are > stirred and wills are steeled, way beyond the climate that produced the > 9/11 attack. If we had 10 thousand enemies then, we have a million now. > Sure, I'm making these numbers up, but the point is that we

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Bill Arnold
> forest and trees > I have seen way too many people ignoring some basic facts to why we > are over there to begin with. 9/11 wasn't the first time we came > across terrorism, it was just the first time that massive non > combatant 'Infidel' were visual reported of Americans. The list is > lo

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Michael Madigan
Thanks Jeff. Sometimes you wonder if some of the people on this list wouldn't enjoy the rest of their life better in some other country. What's keeping them here? Isn't it immoral for them to remain in such a terrible place? I think maybe they should move to France. --- Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Jeff
forest and trees I have seen way too many people ignoring some basic facts to why we are over there to begin with. 9/11 wasn't the first time we came across terrorism, it was just the first time that massive non combatant 'Infidel' were visual reported of Americans. The list is long of our deal

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Bill Arnold
> > While we can blame the > > gas or the match, one thing we can't do is just walk away as if we had > > no part it in. > > Even if "walking away", as you dismissively phrase it, would improve > the situation? I want us out of there as much as you do, but I believe passions are stirre

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 14, 2007, at 11:41 AM, Bill Arnold wrote: > While we can blame the > gas or the match, one thing we can't do is just walk away as if we had > no part it in. Even if "walking away", as you dismissively phrase it, would improve the situation? We don't belong there. It's no

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Bill Arnold
> > The thing is that the invasion resulted in civil war, so we're now > > obliged to stop the fighting. > > That's a load of crap. We didn't cause the civil war; > the roots of that go back a long time. The other countries in the area saw the > fall of Saddam as an opportunity to advan

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 14, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Bill Arnold wrote: > The thing is that the invasion resulted in civil war, so we're now > obliged to stop the fighting. That's a load of crap. We didn't cause the civil war; the roots of that go back a long time. The other countries in the area saw the f

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Bill Arnold
> > Of course, because the central component of any real, workable plan > > would start with making him and his gang culpable. > > I disagree. I can't believe that our troops who are > there would rather wait and continue to be stuck in the middle of a civil war > while we figure out ho

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 14, 2007, at 8:33 AM, Bill Arnold wrote: > Of course, because the central component of any real, workable plan > would start with making him and his gang culpable. I disagree. I can't believe that our troops who are there would rather wait and continue to be stuck in the middle o

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Bill Arnold
> > 'To oppose everything while proposing nothing is irresponsible,' he > > says > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16611409/from/RS.3/ > > This is the ultimate in silliness. There have been > several proposals that Bush has dismissed out-of-hand because they don't match his. Of course, bec

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 14, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Bill Arnold wrote: > 'To oppose everything while proposing nothing is irresponsible,' he > says > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16611409/from/RS.3/ This is the ultimate in silliness. There have been several proposals that Bush has dismissed out-of-hand becau

[OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-14 Thread Bill Arnold
'To oppose everything while proposing nothing is irresponsible,' he says http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16611409/from/RS.3/ Okay then, here's a 15 point plan for those who say they oppose the war, but then can't figure out what to say when asked for a plan. 1. Put the neocon gangleaders on trial fo