OK, I'm a novice still (vfp6 to present)!
It is also worth considering that selling (I mean selling not promoting)
a fox based business now will be much harder and give lower rewards.
Not to mention that good developers are like rocking horse dodo (!?!)
now so what will it be like in a few
I think the next version of .NET, with the LINQ stuff, will drag a lot
of former naysayers in.
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On 3/15/07, Michael Hawksworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is also worth considering that selling (I mean selling not promoting)
a fox based business now will be much harder and give lower rewards.
That's not been my experience. I've been called in on a couple of
buyouts to evaluate a VFP
On 3/15/07, Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the next version of .NET, with the LINQ stuff, will drag a lot
of former naysayers in.
Yeah, isn't that how it always works: We promise that we'll do better
in the next version, stop beating you, stop drinking,...
It takes two to be
I must say that the LINQ stuff that YAG demonstrated at the Atlanta Fox
Users Group was very enticing, as you said. I've just got to get off
this treadmill though. I'm tired of this acronym du jour. What Ed, and
Paul and (dare I say it?!?) the Dabo community has done so far is
amazing. With
On Mar 15, 2007, at 9:34 AM, Kevin Cully wrote:
I must say that the LINQ stuff that YAG demonstrated at the Atlanta
Fox
Users Group was very enticing, as you said.
It's powerful stuff, alright, but doesn't provide much more than
we've been able to do with Fox for a long time.
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I must say that the LINQ stuff that YAG demonstrated at the Atlanta Fox
Users Group
On 3/14/07, mrgmhale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If I tried to get away with this kind of thing, promising features to help
retain and gain clients, I would be sued and screwed three ways to Sunday,
and rightfully so. There would be no surviving. Yet, who dares to speak
against the beast?
Rick Strahl just recently blogged on the same subject:
Recently I've once again have felt incredibly overwhelmed by all the
new stuff that's arrived since .NET 3.0 got released and trying to put
it into perspective of building real usable applications. And getting up
to speed on the various
So, I think it's only the great big software brand names - Microsoft,
IBM/Lotus, Borland, Novell - who have the arrogance to think they can
announce a direction - Information At Your Fingertips, DotNyet,
Software Lifecycle Management, The Network is the Computer - while
small- and
Ed said I can't recommend strongly enough that you
get away from this system of churning development tools to force
everyone to buy the latest and greatest or get left behind as some
dinosaur.
Unfortunately that's exactly how I feel about 'nix distro's - OK they're
[mostly] free but there's just
I've been looking into dot net a little more and I've found it is much
easier than it used to be. Things that took a lot of code to connect now
hook up with a few clicks. I'm also toying with php and perl, but just out
of curiosity. I'm starting to see some of the Fox team's influence in dot
not.
john harvey wrote:
I've been looking into dot net a little more and I've found it is much
easier than it used to be. Things that took a lot of code to connect now
hook up with a few clicks. I'm also toying with php and perl, but just out
of curiosity. I'm starting to see some of the Fox team's
On Mar 15, 2007, at 10:19 AM, Ted Roche wrote:
Have I mentioned Dabo lately?
Not nearly often enough!! ;-)
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On Mar 15, 2007, at 10:15 AM, Andy Davies wrote:
Unfortunately that's exactly how I feel about 'nix distro's - OK
they're
[mostly] free but there's just too many too often.
There are several main distros, and out of those, only 3 real
'flavors': Red Hat, Debian and SuSE. And the
At 06:12 PM 3/8/2007 -0600, Stephen the Cook wrote:
...
What's a couple of years among friends? Some people never did the 2000 run
with MSDE, so this would be a first for them Ted. Some of us have been
there and done that. I was just trying to help people if they were
considering 2005 express
At 10:35 AM 3/11/2007 -0400, mrgmhale wrote:
...
I am still here despite the much feared, even more hated, Daylight Saving
Time change! And all of my business PCs updated correctly (including the
NT4SP6a Server with a 3rd party patch). The M$ Win2000ProSP4 patch even
worked! The only machine
This actually doesn't have anything to do w/ VFP, but since the problem
*may* cross over to it I didn't flag this as [NF]... forgive me if I'm
wrong...
I have a MS Access query that gets run for detail lines on a sub-form in
an Access Form. It's the classic orders/orderdetails i.e.
Andy Davies wrote:
Ed said I can't recommend strongly enough that you
get away from this system of churning development tools to force
everyone to buy the latest and greatest or get left behind as some
dinosaur.
Unfortunately that's exactly how I feel about 'nix distro's - OK they're
What window manager? What office package? What multi-media player? What
drawing package? What printing manager? You have a choice. Stop me if
you've heard this before.
That's exactly the problem. Joe Schmoe, who is only roughly computer
literate and only has worked with Windows does not
Derek Kalweit wrote:
What window manager? What office package? What multi-media player? What
drawing package? What printing manager? You have a choice. Stop me if
you've heard this before.
That's exactly the problem. Joe Schmoe, who is only roughly computer
literate and only has worked
To me, the only distrib I've used that I can see as being mostly
headache-free for an end-user would be Ubuntu. I used Redhat/Fedora
before which I would not put in the same class of usability. I can't
Well, define 'before'. s
Started with Redhat 5.2 back in 1998, I believe it was... Used
Derek Kalweit wrote:
To me, the only distrib I've used that I can see as being mostly
headache-free for an end-user would be Ubuntu. I used Redhat/Fedora
before which I would not put in the same class of usability. I can't
Well, define 'before'. s
Started with Redhat 5.2 back in 1998, I
...that my life changed forever. My first son, Mike, was born at
3:30pm on March 15, 1987.
20 years! Damn!
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My wife calls me a pessimist, so I find it odd to be so optimistic
about this, but here's my stream of consciousness thoughts on this:
-There are still Cobol applications running some fairly large
companies (though I couldn't tell you what the numbers are nor who
the companies are, but I've
On 3/15/07, Brian Abbott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If someone like him feels the pain, what hope for the rest of us?
After quite a while spent on the fence I've decided against pursuing
.Net - the whole thing is such a behometh that you have to either buy
into it totally (and take whatever
On Mar 15, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Steve Ellenoff wrote:
Could it be Dabo? I'll keep watching and evaluating it and
others as they mature. Dabo's strength IMO, is that the guy writing
it, knows how great VFP is and is most likely using that as a
benchmark.
Damn straight. I looked at
To me, the biggest problem was that rpm doesn't work, and trying to
compile on my own, I was always chasing mis-matched libraries. Sure
made installing something as simple as apache and php and mysql a
headache... And forget anything less mainstream without a big
headache... Maybe they
Republicans like to think of themselves as the party of Law and
Order, but...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-j-elisberg/the-party-of-law-and-
ord_b_43498.html
( -or- http://tinyurl.com/2xwcax )
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Okay, so we
On Thursday 15 March 2007 2:33 pm, Ed Leafe wrote:
...that my life changed forever. My first son, Mike, was born at
3:30pm on March 15, 1987.
20 years! Damn!
Hi Ed!
Congratulations, Dad.
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I have a feeling that you have never read the Weekly Standard, and maybe
never will.
...which puts it on a very long list of magazines.
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Ed Leafe wrote:
I don't know how many of you remember the Power Rangers TV show and
toys that were big in the early 90s, but they were developed by a toy
company, and part of the plan was to regularly replace the characters
with newer ones with cooler powers so that kids would have
So far, all my LAMP work has been with Apache, MySQL and PHP.
Well, and TuxRacer.
An advantage, sort of, is that this all also works on a Windows server,
although Apache on a Windows server is one of those Why would you haul
a fishing boat with a Ferrari? kind of issues.
Python has been on
Derek Kalweit wrote:
To me, the biggest problem was that rpm doesn't work, and trying to
compile on my own, I was always chasing mis-matched libraries. Sure
made installing something as simple as apache and php and mysql a
headache... And forget anything less mainstream without a big
Charlie Coleman wrote:
At 06:12 PM 3/8/2007 -0600, Stephen the Cook wrote:
...
What's a couple of years among friends? Some people never did the
2000 run with MSDE, so this would be a first for them Ted. Some of
us have been there and done that. I was just trying to help people
if they
Ed Leafe wrote:
Republicans like to think of themselves as the party of Law and
Order, but...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-j-elisberg/the-party-of-law-and-
ord_b_43498.html
( -or- http://tinyurl.com/2xwcax )
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Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:
And how does it work? I've poked around a bit but haven't found a 30
second 'this is what it does' tutorial. I'm looking for one of those
explanations you'd get while riding up in an elevator with someone, on
the order of PHP is an Apache module that intercepts
Hi
I got this also; I replaced the .vcx with the backup and the error
went away. Never new what caused it.
HTH, E.
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Stephen,
Hook,line sinker ?
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On Mar 15, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:
What requirements are there, other than mod_python and some tweaks to
httpd.conf, for Python to replace PHP as the language engine for a
Web app?
Uh... it depends. See below.
What are the differences, if any, running on a
Stephen the Cook wrote:
LOL... Yep. As spoken from the MS marketer himself
Long time since I've seen you around here. Glad to see that you can only
take pot shots instead of presenting something new and potentially valuable
to others.
Can you tell that he missed you, CC?
On Thursday 15 March 2007 3:37 pm, Ed Leafe wrote:
Republicans like to think of themselves as the party of Law and
Order, but...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-j-elisberg/the-party-of-law-and-
ord_b_43498.html
( -or- http://tinyurl.com/2xwcax )
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:46:44 -0500
Whil Hentzen (Pro*) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What requirements are there, other than mod_python and some tweaks to
httpd.conf, for Python to replace PHP as the language engine for a
Web app?
That depends. :) The most basic setup all you need is
On Thursday 15 March 2007 3:50 pm, Jerry Wolper wrote:
I have a feeling that you have never read the Weekly Standard, and maybe
never will.
...which puts it on a very long list of magazines.
Hi Jerry!
You haven't read it, you never will read it but you are qualified to
generalize about
On Thursday 15 March 2007 5:53 pm, Stephen the Cook wrote:
Hi Stephen!
Wrong century. It was Leslie Gore It's My Party and I'll Cry if I Want To.
:-)
Nice try, though.
Didn't Karl say It's my party and I'll do what I want to ?
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Ed Leafe wrote:
On Mar 15, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:
What requirements are there, other than mod_python and some tweaks to
httpd.conf, for Python to replace PHP as the language engine for a
Web app?
Uh... it depends. See below.
OK, that's a good first answer.
You have a .php page on the server. In it is a mixture of
PHP and HTML code. When a browser requests the page, the PHP module
interprets PHP commands and functions on the page and returns static
text as results of those commands and functions.
You can configure mod_python to run pretty
Pete Theisen wrote:
On Thursday 15 March 2007 3:37 pm, Ed Leafe wrote:
Republicans like to think of themselves as the party of Law and
Order, but...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-j-elisberg/the-party-of-law-and-
ord_b_43498.html
( -or- http://tinyurl.com/2xwcax )
- - - - - - -
Pete Theisen wrote:
On Thursday 15 March 2007 3:50 pm, Jerry Wolper wrote:
I have a feeling that you have never read the Weekly Standard, and maybe
never will.
...which puts it on a very long list of magazines.
Hi Jerry!
You haven't read it, you never will read it but you are qualified
Okay, maybe it isn't necessary to jump ship just *yet*, but it's only a
matter of time...
I know that I'll need to do a rewrite of our MS Access front end app at
some point so have been considering other apps/languages lately anyway...
I haven't given dabo a fair shakedown yet.. RealBasic
I've got a few tables where it's all numeric/integer types, one char(4),
and a text field. I tried to make it a fixed row format, but when I
apply my changes, they don't take (and I get no error message)which
leads me to believe that any table with a text type field cannot be in
fixed row
Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:
I've got a question out to my isp about whether or not they support
python as well as PHP. I'm not hopeful. So I may end up hosting it here.
Wow...in today's market, you'd think this would be a given (re:
supporting PHP and Python, seeing their popularity
MB Software Solutions wrote:
Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:
I've got a question out to my isp about whether or not they support
python as well as PHP. I'm not hopeful. So I may end up hosting it here.
Wow...in today's market, you'd think this would be a given (re:
supporting PHP and Python,
Or maybe python...
So I got to thinking that all modern based 'visual' languages are
actually written in something like C anyway, so why not go ahead and
learn C (or a derivitive of that) i.e. learn one of the base languages...
The idea being that there must be libraries out there to do
On Mar 15, 2007, at 8:55 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote:
I've got a few tables where it's all numeric/integer types, one char
(4),
and a text field. I tried to make it a fixed row format, but when I
apply my changes, they don't take (and I get no error
message)which
leads me to
IMO - I don't think this is a good road for you to take unless you've
got lots of time and patience.
As someone that knows C pretty well I can say from experience that C
is not a good choice as a step from a visual (gui style) RAD
tool/language. Not only because of the language itself, but for
At 01:09 PM 3/14/07, you wrote:
I loop the project a few times releasing each class library, via a menu call
to this:
The following lines, executed in the Command Window before compiling, will
do it:
RELEASE ALL EXTENDED
CLEAR ALL
Ken Dibble
www.stic-cil.org
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:39:10 -0500
Whil Hentzen (Pro*) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So with mod python, you'd build an HTML page, embed python functions
in it, call it from your browser (index.py), and it works like PHP?
Sure, your HTML page could look something like this.
html
table
tr
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On Thursday 15 March 2007 7:39 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
Pete Theisen wrote:
snip
Sort of tossing around a lot of hates. To begin with, I would like to see
something in print from the republican party taking the official position
that it hates activist judges, and on down the line.
By
On Thursday 15 March 2007 7:40 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
Pete Theisen wrote:
snip
you should remember your words whenever you talk about science,
global warming et.al.
Hi Ricardo!
I have 27 years of formal education and I own over 2000 non-fiction books not
counting those related to my
Matthew Jarvis wrote:
Okay, maybe it isn't necessary to jump ship just *yet*, but it's only a
matter of time...
8+ years to be exact. s
I know that I'll need to do a rewrite of our MS Access front end app at
some point so have been considering other apps/languages lately anyway...
Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:
P.S. I'd argue that python would be your best bet. xplat, lotsa
libraries, fat-client + c/s + mobile + web apps, growing userbase, fewer
security problems than PHP's hole of the week, cool name, and lotsa women.
Ed -- can Dabo do Palm apps and/or cell phone
Steve Ellenoff wrote:
Of course, IMO all those pale to VFP for RAD tools, but VFP is dead..
ummm..in 8 yearsyes. Think about what has changed in the past 8
years in our industry. I think Windows DNA was the way to go, wasn't
it? Hungarian notation was the right way to do things,
Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:
One of the biggest mistakes you can make in life is assuming that the
other guy is thinking rationally.
LOL! Yes, and you show your experience in years versus my youth when
it comes to this fact. ;-)
--
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MB Software Solutions, LLC
MB Software Solutions wrote:
Matthew Jarvis wrote:
Okay, maybe it isn't necessary to jump ship just *yet*, but it's only a
matter of time...
8+ years to be exact. s
I know that I'll need to do a rewrite of our MS Access front end app at
some point so have been
Ed Leafe wrote:
On Mar 15, 2007, at 8:55 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote:
I've got a few tables where it's all numeric/integer types, one char
(4),
and a text field. I tried to make it a fixed row format, but when I
apply my changes, they don't take (and I get no error
On Thursday 15 March 2007 11:56 am, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:
snip
Why can't EVERYONE listen to Ted Nugent and let all those other guitar
players go back to busing tables?
Hi Whil!
Because Ted likes ggguns.
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You can write it in wml and use vfp as the back end, or Web Connection. I've
written stuff that lets undercover officers run car tags, check the jail and
pull warrants using web enabled cell phones. Very straightforward.
John Harvey
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On Wednesday 14 March 2007 12:56 pm, Michael Madigan wrote:
Apple sure has the douche bag mac user down to a tee.
That's the guy who always comes up to me during an
installation. My mac can do this, my mac can do
that. So why are you working in a PC shop then,
douche bag? It seems they're
Pete Theisen wrote:
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 12:56 pm, Michael Madigan wrote:
Apple sure has the douche bag mac user down to a tee.
That's the guy who always comes up to me during an
installation. My mac can do this, my mac can do
that. So why are you working in a PC shop then,
On Thursday 15 March 2007 11:09 pm, MB Software Solutions wrote:
Pete Theisen wrote:
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 12:56 pm, Michael Madigan wrote:
Apple sure has the douche bag mac user down to a tee.
That's the guy who always comes up to me during an
installation. My mac can do this, my
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