Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

[Fred Taylor]

Thanks for the heads up Ted.  Don't think it'll help my problem at home, my
ISP just sucks.. (COX)  Though for commercial,  it does better, but still
has issues.

Fred

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Ted Roche  wrote:

> Follow-up: I disabled 802.11ac on the 5 Ghz band on the router and the
> laptop stabilized. Go ahead, you explain it.
>
> A friend tells me that one of the "features" shipped in this month's
> Monthly Update was a re-ordering of the priorities for accessing
> protocols on the Wifi, and that might cause problems if your WiFi
> adapter or router offers some protocols but they're not
> well-implemented/broken.
>
> Perhaps this clue might help someone.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:14 PM, Ted Roche  wrote:
> > One of our office workstations has been very unhappy since the
> > shutdown Tuesday asked to install updates.
> >
> > Dell Precision M6800 Workstation i7 2.80GHz, 16 Gb RAM, dual 1Gb HDDs
> > Windows 10 Pro Version 1607 (14393.1593)
> >
> > Got the usual "Updating..." when restarting this morning. And waited,
> > and waited.
> >
> > Restarting was sluggish, WiFi kept starting and stopping, After
> > patiently waiting a few minutes, shut down cold and restarted. Worked
> > okay for a while.
> >
> > Later, "Restart Now or Restart Later?" revealed that some of the
> > recent updates STILL were not successfully installed. Restarted.
> >
> > Lather, rinse and repeat the above three times.
> >
> > Attempting to persuade the ever-patient associate not to throw her
> > machine out the window. "That's why they call it Windows," right?
> >
> > Nothing obvious in the error logs. No disk errors.
> >
> > Next step will likely be to attempt to restore from the previous
> > rescue point which, in my limited experience of a dozen or so
> > attempts, never works.
> >
> > Ideas? Suggestions? Mocking?
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ted Roche
> > Ted Roche & Associates, LLC
> > http://www.tedroche.com
>
>
>
> --
> Ted Roche
> Ted Roche & Associates, LLC
> http://www.tedroche.com
>
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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

[Ted Roche]

Follow-up: I disabled 802.11ac on the 5 Ghz band on the router and the
laptop stabilized. Go ahead, you explain it.

A friend tells me that one of the "features" shipped in this month's
Monthly Update was a re-ordering of the priorities for accessing
protocols on the Wifi, and that might cause problems if your WiFi
adapter or router offers some protocols but they're not
well-implemented/broken.

Perhaps this clue might help someone.


On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:14 PM, Ted Roche  wrote:
> One of our office workstations has been very unhappy since the
> shutdown Tuesday asked to install updates.
>
> Dell Precision M6800 Workstation i7 2.80GHz, 16 Gb RAM, dual 1Gb HDDs
> Windows 10 Pro Version 1607 (14393.1593)
>
> Got the usual "Updating..." when restarting this morning. And waited,
> and waited.
>
> Restarting was sluggish, WiFi kept starting and stopping, After
> patiently waiting a few minutes, shut down cold and restarted. Worked
> okay for a while.
>
> Later, "Restart Now or Restart Later?" revealed that some of the
> recent updates STILL were not successfully installed. Restarted.
>
> Lather, rinse and repeat the above three times.
>
> Attempting to persuade the ever-patient associate not to throw her
> machine out the window. "That's why they call it Windows," right?
>
> Nothing obvious in the error logs. No disk errors.
>
> Next step will likely be to attempt to restore from the previous
> rescue point which, in my limited experience of a dozen or so
> attempts, never works.
>
> Ideas? Suggestions? Mocking?
>
>
>
> --
> Ted Roche
> Ted Roche & Associates, LLC
> http://www.tedroche.com



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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

[Stephen Russell]

Isn't citrix just a virtual volume?  It has been over a decade since I had
to mess with it.

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:51 AM, <
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:

> A potential client of mine uses Citrix and is very happy with it.  He said
> they basically wipe/replace the image daily.  I guess that way they don't
> have to worry about viruses?  If I were to develop a desktop app for them,
> I'd have to consider how to upgrade it easily.  He said updating/creating
> the image is usually painful and takes a long time.
>
>
>
> On 2017-08-11 08:16, Michael Madigan wrote:
>
>> All I use now is a chromebook logged into a terminal server, but it's
>> not without problems.Seems you have to have a computer with few
>> extensions loaded to avoid freezing.
>>
>>   From: Fred Taylor <fbtay...@gmail.com>
>>  To: ProFox Email List <profox@leafe.com>
>>  Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 2:10 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?
>>
>> We STILL have about half our machines at work and my personal laptop, that
>> won't reboot properly after some updates.  Get the black screen with the
>> spinning white dots forever.  The only common thing between them is they
>> are all Dells.
>>
>> Microsoft is really beginning to bug me (more so now then ever!).  We have
>> been considering ChromeBoxes and remote desktop into a Windows server, but
>> even that would require massive change.  We are heavily dependent on Excel
>> automation for lots of things we do.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Ted Roche <tedro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Ken Dibble <krdib...@stny.rr.com> wrote>
>>> >
>>> > A recent Win 10 update broke the Update History. Could that be why the
>>> user
>>> > thinks nothing has been installed?
>>> >
>>> > http://www.computerworld.com/article/3214488/microsoft-
>>> windows/windows-10-1607-cumulative-update-kb-4034658-
>>> wipes-out-update-history.html
>>> >
>>> > Windows Automatic Updates. Just Say No. (TM)
>>> >
>>>
>>> And as a double-bonus, if you had any updates hidden, say because they
>>> corrupted your machine, the cumulative update un-hid them so they get
>>> applied and, *boom*.
>>>
>>> How can you not love the company that does this?
>>>
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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

[mbsoftwaresolutions]

On 2017-08-11 09:21, Ted Roche wrote:

That's what's great about Windows. Make America Reboot Again!


LOL!!!

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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

[mbsoftwaresolutions]

On 2017-08-11 09:16, Malcolm Greene wrote:

You guys are making me jealous. I've been supporting my company's five
(all different models) MacBooks since Jan 2014 without a single hiccup
across 4 OS upgrades. No unexpected reboots ... everything pretty much
just works. Very boring :)

Malcolm



ROFLMBO!!

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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

[mbsoftwaresolutions]

A potential client of mine uses Citrix and is very happy with it.  He 
said they basically wipe/replace the image daily.  I guess that way they 
don't have to worry about viruses?  If I were to develop a desktop app 
for them, I'd have to consider how to upgrade it easily.  He said 
updating/creating the image is usually painful and takes a long time.




On 2017-08-11 08:16, Michael Madigan wrote:

All I use now is a chromebook logged into a terminal server, but it's
not without problems.    Seems you have to have a computer with few
extensions loaded to avoid freezing.

  From: Fred Taylor <fbtay...@gmail.com>
 To: ProFox Email List <profox@leafe.com>
 Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 2:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

We STILL have about half our machines at work and my personal laptop, 
that
won't reboot properly after some updates.  Get the black screen with 
the
spinning white dots forever.  The only common thing between them is 
they

are all Dells.

Microsoft is really beginning to bug me (more so now then ever!).  We 
have
been considering ChromeBoxes and remote desktop into a Windows server, 
but
even that would require massive change.  We are heavily dependent on 
Excel

automation for lots of things we do.

Fred

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Ted Roche <tedro...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Ken Dibble <krdib...@stny.rr.com> 
wrote>

>
> A recent Win 10 update broke the Update History. Could that be why the
user
> thinks nothing has been installed?
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/article/3214488/microsoft-
windows/windows-10-1607-cumulative-update-kb-4034658-
wipes-out-update-history.html
>
> Windows Automatic Updates. Just Say No. (TM)
>

And as a double-bonus, if you had any updates hidden, say because they
corrupted your machine, the cumulative update un-hid them so they get
applied and, *boom*.

How can you not love the company that does this?


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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

[Pete Theisen]

Bragging or complaining?

On 08/11/2017 09:16 AM, Malcolm Greene wrote:
> You guys are making me jealous. I've been supporting my company's five
> (all different models) MacBooks since Jan 2014 without a single hiccup
> across 4 OS upgrades. No unexpected reboots ... everything pretty much
> just works. Very boring :)
>
> Malcolm
-- 

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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

[Ted Roche]

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Malcolm Greene  wrote:
> You guys are making me jealous. I've been supporting my company's five
> (all different models) MacBooks since Jan 2014 without a single hiccup
> across 4 OS upgrades. No unexpected reboots ... everything pretty much
> just works. Very boring :)

Yeah, not a lot of money to be made in computers that Just Works (tm).

That's what's great about Windows. Make America Reboot Again!


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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

[Malcolm Greene]

You guys are making me jealous. I've been supporting my company's five
(all different models) MacBooks since Jan 2014 without a single hiccup
across 4 OS upgrades. No unexpected reboots ... everything pretty much
just works. Very boring :)

Malcolm

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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

[Ted Roche]

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:16 AM, Michael Madigan  wrote:
> All I use now is a chromebook logged into a terminal server, but it's not 
> without problems.Seems you have to have a computer with few extensions 
> loaded to avoid freezing.

Absolutely! Chromebooks rock! I picked up a 15" ASUS with 1920x1080,
2Gb, 16 Gb SSD, refurb ~$150, and it is pretty much the perfect Net
Computer we've been promised for a decade or more. With that as a
front end, and Chromecast hooked up to the TV as the back end, it's a
pretty good little browser and entertainment center, decent webmail
interface, etc.

However, when you're dealing with Windows, locally or remote, you're
dealing with all the joy MS packed into it: security flaws, unsafe
software, shaky updates, 32-/64-bit incompatibilities, weird network
behavior, etc.

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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

[Michael Madigan]

All I use now is a chromebook logged into a terminal server, but it's not 
without problems.    Seems you have to have a computer with few extensions 
loaded to avoid freezing.

  From: Fred Taylor <fbtay...@gmail.com>
 To: ProFox Email List <profox@leafe.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 2:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?
   
We STILL have about half our machines at work and my personal laptop, that
won't reboot properly after some updates.  Get the black screen with the
spinning white dots forever.  The only common thing between them is they
are all Dells.

Microsoft is really beginning to bug me (more so now then ever!).  We have
been considering ChromeBoxes and remote desktop into a Windows server, but
even that would require massive change.  We are heavily dependent on Excel
automation for lots of things we do.

Fred

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Ted Roche <tedro...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Ken Dibble <krdib...@stny.rr.com> wrote>
> >
> > A recent Win 10 update broke the Update History. Could that be why the
> user
> > thinks nothing has been installed?
> >
> > http://www.computerworld.com/article/3214488/microsoft-
> windows/windows-10-1607-cumulative-update-kb-4034658-
> wipes-out-update-history.html
> >
> > Windows Automatic Updates. Just Say No. (TM)
> >
>
> And as a double-bonus, if you had any updates hidden, say because they
> corrupted your machine, the cumulative update un-hid them so they get
> applied and, *boom*.
>
> How can you not love the company that does this?
>
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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

[Gene Wirchenko]

At 10:30 2017-08-10, Ted Roche  wrote:

[snip]


And as a double-bonus, if you had any updates hidden, say because they
corrupted your machine, the cumulative update un-hid them so they get
applied and, *boom*.

How can you not love the company that does this?


 I can very easily not love the company that does this.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko


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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

[Gene Wirchenko]

At 03:18 2017-08-10, Ted Roche  wrote:

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Ken Dibble  wrote:

[snip]

> Windows Automatic Updates. Just Say No. (TM)

Yeah, a mixed blessing at its very best. A lot of folks wouldn't
update at all if the machine didn't do it for them, but I'd really
like to wait 48 hours and let other people find out the updates aren't
working.


 You have another option depending on whether you want those 
other people to be your clients.


Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko


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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

[Ted Roche]

Likely running enterprise-class package management, with controlled
releases, though, I would hope.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Stephen Russell  wrote:
> The entire IT dept. is on win10 for 3 months now.  No problems with updates
> and we get them all the time.  Have two home laptops that have fared well
> also.  Dell at work, Acer and HP at home.
>

Yep, four other machines here, server, workstation, desktop and
tablet-thingie, and all the others (HP, Dell, Dell, Asus,
respectively) updated without a hitch. Something with the
Workstation-dual-graphics, Office 2013, software installed, Creator's
Update, mumble, mumble... Outside of enterprise control, there are no
two Windows machines that are identical. Different hardware, history,
software, upgrades...


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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

[Stephen Russell]

The entire IT dept. is on win10 for 3 months now.  No problems with updates
and we get them all the time.  Have two home laptops that have fared well
also.  Dell at work, Acer and HP at home.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Laurie Alvey  wrote:

> I have an Acer machine running Windows 10 Home and never had an problems
> with updates. Perhaps the Pro machines are a bit more fussy.
>
> Laurie
>
> On 10 August 2017 at 19:13, Ken Dibble  wrote:
>
> >
> > And as a double-bonus, if you had any updates hidden, say because they
> >> corrupted your machine, the cumulative update un-hid them so they get
> >> applied and, *boom*.
> >>
> >> How can you not love the company that does this?
> >>
> >
> > I DO! I DO love them!
> >
> > We STILL do not have any Windows 10 machines (and I have ten never-used
> > Win 7 boxes still in inventory for future expansion) for this reason.
> >
> > But see, I think that the Windows 10 forced update "feature" is actually
> a
> > design bug that has caused Microsoft to achieve only 50% of its projected
> > adoption rate for this OS (even though they gave away most of those
> > adoptions for free and deliberately tricked and defrauded a lot of people
> > into the "adoption"). Eventually somebody over there is going to wake up
> > and realize this fact, and fix it. They keep inching toward it with some
> > little change every few months. So when they finally return to full
> > user-control of updates, then I will be able to avail myself of what is
> > otherwise, according to many reports, a pretty good operating system.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

[Fred Taylor]

I spent about 7 hours on the phone with about 7 to 10 different people at
Microsoft the first time we ran into that.  They were more interested in
passing me off to someone else rather than coming up with a solution.
About the 3rd person I had talked to at least gave something that works,
but not in every case.

We had to:
  pull the power cord and wait 30 seconds before plugging it back in and
trying again.  Works on some of the machines.

through trial and error, we came up with these:
  pull the network cable - works on some.
  pull the USB dongle for wireless mouse/keyboard - works on some,
  hold down the left shift key while booting - works for 1 machine.
  for my laptop, I have to pull the battery, sometimes have to do it 3 or 4
times before it works.
  combination of the above - works on some.

A complete fustercluck if I ever saw one!


Fred

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Ted Roche  wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Fred Taylor  wrote:
> > We STILL have about half our machines at work and my personal laptop,
> that
>
> Ouch! Sorry to hear that!
>
> > Microsoft is really beginning to bug me (more so now then ever!).  We
> have
> > been considering ChromeBoxes and remote desktop into a Windows server,
> but
> > even that would require massive change.  We are heavily dependent on
> Excel
> > automation for lots of things we do.
>
> Also, there's an issue that you are just moving the problem to the
> remote end. One of my VFP clients has a terminal service hosted at a
> datacenter and an IT staff to manage the machine, but they still run
> into mind-bending issues when updates come out, locking up VMs,
> blocking printing, etc. And it's our fault, since our app isn't
> working .
>
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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

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On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Laurie Alvey  wrote:
> I have an Acer machine running Windows 10 Home and never had an problems
> with updates. Perhaps the Pro machines are a bit more fussy.
>

Same was true of this box for about two years. Something in this
update. It's russian roulette. It's fine, until it isn't.

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On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Fred Taylor  wrote:
> We STILL have about half our machines at work and my personal laptop, that

Ouch! Sorry to hear that!

> Microsoft is really beginning to bug me (more so now then ever!).  We have
> been considering ChromeBoxes and remote desktop into a Windows server, but
> even that would require massive change.  We are heavily dependent on Excel
> automation for lots of things we do.

Also, there's an issue that you are just moving the problem to the
remote end. One of my VFP clients has a terminal service hosted at a
datacenter and an IT staff to manage the machine, but they still run
into mind-bending issues when updates come out, locking up VMs,
blocking printing, etc. And it's our fault, since our app isn't
working .

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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

[Laurie Alvey]

I have an Acer machine running Windows 10 Home and never had an problems
with updates. Perhaps the Pro machines are a bit more fussy.

Laurie

On 10 August 2017 at 19:13, Ken Dibble  wrote:

>
> And as a double-bonus, if you had any updates hidden, say because they
>> corrupted your machine, the cumulative update un-hid them so they get
>> applied and, *boom*.
>>
>> How can you not love the company that does this?
>>
>
> I DO! I DO love them!
>
> We STILL do not have any Windows 10 machines (and I have ten never-used
> Win 7 boxes still in inventory for future expansion) for this reason.
>
> But see, I think that the Windows 10 forced update "feature" is actually a
> design bug that has caused Microsoft to achieve only 50% of its projected
> adoption rate for this OS (even though they gave away most of those
> adoptions for free and deliberately tricked and defrauded a lot of people
> into the "adoption"). Eventually somebody over there is going to wake up
> and realize this fact, and fix it. They keep inching toward it with some
> little change every few months. So when they finally return to full
> user-control of updates, then I will be able to avail myself of what is
> otherwise, according to many reports, a pretty good operating system.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

[Ken Dibble]

And as a double-bonus, if you had any updates hidden, say because they
corrupted your machine, the cumulative update un-hid them so they get
applied and, *boom*.

How can you not love the company that does this?


I DO! I DO love them!

We STILL do not have any Windows 10 machines (and I have ten 
never-used Win 7 boxes still in inventory for future expansion) for 
this reason.


But see, I think that the Windows 10 forced update "feature" is 
actually a design bug that has caused Microsoft to achieve only 50% 
of its projected adoption rate for this OS (even though they gave 
away most of those adoptions for free and deliberately tricked and 
defrauded a lot of people into the "adoption"). Eventually somebody 
over there is going to wake up and realize this fact, and fix it. 
They keep inching toward it with some little change every few months. 
So when they finally return to full user-control of updates, then I 
will be able to avail myself of what is otherwise, according to many 
reports, a pretty good operating system.


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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

[Fred Taylor]

We STILL have about half our machines at work and my personal laptop, that
won't reboot properly after some updates.  Get the black screen with the
spinning white dots forever.  The only common thing between them is they
are all Dells.

Microsoft is really beginning to bug me (more so now then ever!).  We have
been considering ChromeBoxes and remote desktop into a Windows server, but
even that would require massive change.  We are heavily dependent on Excel
automation for lots of things we do.

Fred

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Ted Roche  wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Ken Dibble  wrote>
> >
> > A recent Win 10 update broke the Update History. Could that be why the
> user
> > thinks nothing has been installed?
> >
> > http://www.computerworld.com/article/3214488/microsoft-
> windows/windows-10-1607-cumulative-update-kb-4034658-
> wipes-out-update-history.html
> >
> > Windows Automatic Updates. Just Say No. (TM)
> >
>
> And as a double-bonus, if you had any updates hidden, say because they
> corrupted your machine, the cumulative update un-hid them so they get
> applied and, *boom*.
>
> How can you not love the company that does this?
>
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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

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On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Ken Dibble  wrote>
>
> A recent Win 10 update broke the Update History. Could that be why the user
> thinks nothing has been installed?
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/article/3214488/microsoft-windows/windows-10-1607-cumulative-update-kb-4034658-wipes-out-update-history.html
>
> Windows Automatic Updates. Just Say No. (TM)
>

And as a double-bonus, if you had any updates hidden, say because they
corrupted your machine, the cumulative update un-hid them so they get
applied and, *boom*.

How can you not love the company that does this?

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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

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"Good morning, IT: Have you tried turning it off and back on again?"

It would be easier, but it takes so long for them to get their
workstations set up, logged in, etc.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Peter Cushing
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> On 10/08/2017 11:41, Ted Roche wrote:
>>
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>> One of our clients calls after every second Tuesday complaining the
>> app fails on startup with an "goDataManager is not an object error"
>> message, despite the fact that we've told them for 10 years that means
>> a network share is disconnected, and they should go into their Windows
>> Explorer and click on the red X's
>>
> I'd tell them to restart the machine if this happens.  It's easier for them
> to remember ;-)
>
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On 10/08/2017 11:41, Ted Roche wrote:


One of our clients calls after every second Tuesday complaining the
app fails on startup with an "goDataManager is not an object error"
message, despite the fact that we've told them for 10 years that means
a network share is disconnected, and they should go into their Windows
Explorer and click on the red X's

I'd tell them to restart the machine if this happens.  It's easier for 
them to remember ;-)


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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

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On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Michael Madigan  wrote:
> I would just reboot it again.
>
> Every couple of months I'll get a call on a Wednesday that my software is 
> slow, and every time I tell them to reboot the servers and everything is  OK. 
>  I've never seen it ask for another restart before.
> Now i send them an email on Tuesday to reboot their servers on Wednesday, if 
> it's slow.
>

Good idea. I've pretty much worn out the power switch. Windows ALWAYS
should be rebooted after updates, I think, because the MS engineers
just don't understand how all the caching and retained-in-memory.-DLLs
and write caching and such actually work in the real world of
heterogenous machines, OSes, etc.

The biggest problem with this one is all the background processes.
With a high-end processor, too much RAM and HDD, the machine loads
~100 processes at startup, and stuff starts updating and caching and
so forth. Without digging into the Task Manager, there's no clue to
the operator that anything is happening other than the machine is
really slow and unresponsive.

One of our clients calls after every second Tuesday complaining the
app fails on startup with an "goDataManager is not an object error"
message, despite the fact that we've told them for 10 years that means
a network share is disconnected, and they should go into their Windows
Explorer and click on the red X's

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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

[Ted Roche]

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Ken Dibble  wrote:
>
> A recent Win 10 update broke the Update History. Could that be why the user
> thinks nothing has been installed?
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/article/3214488/microsoft-windows/windows-10-1607-cumulative-update-kb-4034658-wipes-out-update-history.html

I've got to get back to reading wOOdy's column more regularly!

> Windows Automatic Updates. Just Say No. (TM)

Yeah, a mixed blessing at its very best. A lot of folks wouldn't
update at all if the machine didn't do it for them, but I'd really
like to wait 48 hours and let other people find out the updates aren't
working.

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On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:23 PM, Mike  wrote:
> I would roll back the updates individually, then reboot to see if that
> helped.
> CONTROL PANEL
> UPDATE AND SECURITY
> UPDATE HISTORY
> UNINSTALL UPDATES
>
> Look for the most recent "Installed on" and start un-installing.

Sorted on the "Installed On" date and got 90 (NINETY!) "Update for
Microsoft Office 2013" -- yikes!

> Only other idea would be to make sure all the drivers (video, chipset, NIC,
> etc) are as up-to-date as possible.

Did that last month before applying the Creator's Update.

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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

[Michael Madigan]

I would just reboot it again.

Every couple of months I'll get a call on a Wednesday that my software is slow, 
and every time I tell them to reboot the servers and everything is  OK.  I've 
never seen it ask for another restart before.
Now i send them an email on Tuesday to reboot their servers on Wednesday, if 
it's slow.

  From: Ted Roche 
 To: "profox@leafe.com"  
 Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 8:14 PM
 Subject: [NF] Windows updates August problems?
   
One of our office workstations has been very unhappy since the
shutdown Tuesday asked to install updates.

Dell Precision M6800 Workstation i7 2.80GHz, 16 Gb RAM, dual 1Gb HDDs
Windows 10 Pro Version 1607 (14393.1593)

Got the usual "Updating..." when restarting this morning. And waited,
and waited.

Restarting was sluggish, WiFi kept starting and stopping, After
patiently waiting a few minutes, shut down cold and restarted. Worked
okay for a while.

Later, "Restart Now or Restart Later?" revealed that some of the
recent updates STILL were not successfully installed. Restarted.

Lather, rinse and repeat the above three times.

Attempting to persuade the ever-patient associate not to throw her
machine out the window. "That's why they call it Windows," right?

Nothing obvious in the error logs. No disk errors.

Next step will likely be to attempt to restore from the previous
rescue point which, in my limited experience of a dozen or so
attempts, never works.

Ideas? Suggestions? Mocking?



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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

[Ken Dibble]

Later, "Restart Now or Restart Later?" revealed that some of the
recent updates STILL were not successfully installed. Restarted.

Lather, rinse and repeat the above three times.


A recent Win 10 update broke the Update History. Could that be why 
the user thinks nothing has been installed?


http://www.computerworld.com/article/3214488/microsoft-windows/windows-10-1607-cumulative-update-kb-4034658-wipes-out-update-history.html

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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

[Mike]

I would roll back the updates individually, then reboot to see if that 
helped.

CONTROL PANEL
UPDATE AND SECURITY
UPDATE HISTORY
UNINSTALL UPDATES

Look for the most recent "Installed on" and start un-installing.

Only other idea would be to make sure all the drivers (video, chipset, 
NIC, etc) are as up-to-date as possible.


Mike Copeland


Ted Roche wrote:

One of our office workstations has been very unhappy since the
shutdown Tuesday asked to install updates.

Dell Precision M6800 Workstation i7 2.80GHz, 16 Gb RAM, dual 1Gb HDDs
Windows 10 Pro Version 1607 (14393.1593)

Got the usual "Updating..." when restarting this morning. And waited,
and waited.

Restarting was sluggish, WiFi kept starting and stopping, After
patiently waiting a few minutes, shut down cold and restarted. Worked
okay for a while.

Later, "Restart Now or Restart Later?" revealed that some of the
recent updates STILL were not successfully installed. Restarted.

Lather, rinse and repeat the above three times.

Attempting to persuade the ever-patient associate not to throw her
machine out the window. "That's why they call it Windows," right?

Nothing obvious in the error logs. No disk errors.

Next step will likely be to attempt to restore from the previous
rescue point which, in my limited experience of a dozen or so
attempts, never works.

Ideas? Suggestions? Mocking?






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