Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-06 Thread David McKay
Thanks for the suggestion. From the Times-Dispatch web site:

As of the end of 2007, Kaine had granted one absolute pardon; two 
conditional pardons; one commutation of sentence; 14 simple pardons; and 
1,144 restorations of rights. Absolute pardons declare that the person 
should not have been convicted; conditional pardons change a sentence, 
typically releasing someone from prison; commutations reduce a sentence; 
and simple pardons grant forgiveness by the governor on behalf of the 
state. - Richmond Times-Dispatch - Mar 19, 2008

That was the closest match to your claim from the 13 hits on Kaine 
pardons. There was one more recent hit about the a McCain campaign official 
charging that Kaine was conspiring (the newspaper's quotes) with Obama to 
add pardoned felons to voter rolls.

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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-06 Thread Larry Miller
That was part of it, but the point of it is the restoration of rights.  Perhaps 
the broadcast media did not distinguish between pardon and restoration.  When 
do we ever then the complete story from the driveby media.  My bad for having 
taken their word for it.  And the 1144 was at the end of 2007.  More have been 
done since then.

Larry Miller


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Thanks for the suggestion. From the Times-Dispatch web site:

As of the end of 2007, Kaine had granted one absolute pardon; two 
conditional pardons; one commutation of sentence; 14 simple pardons; and 
1,144 restorations of rights. Absolute pardons declare that the person 
should not have been convicted; conditional pardons change a sentence, 
typically releasing someone from prison; commutations reduce a sentence; 
and simple pardons grant forgiveness by the governor on behalf of the 
state. - Richmond Times-Dispatch - Mar 19, 2008

That was the closest match to your claim from the 13 hits on Kaine 
pardons. There was one more recent hit about the a McCain campaign official 
charging that Kaine was conspiring (the newspaper's quotes) with Obama to 
add pardoned felons to voter rolls.

David McKay 





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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-06 Thread James Roark(The Dogstar Group)
David McKay wrote:
 Larry,
 Do you have a source for your claim of 1700 felons pardoned by Kaine? 
 Haven't heard anything about it here in the Shenandoah Valley, and the folks 
 here have little love for the Gov.
 David McKay

   
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-06 Thread Michael Madigan
Nah, these people aren't EVIL.

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--- On Thu, 11/6/08, James Roark(The Dogstar Group) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
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 David McKay wrote:
  Larry,
  Do you have a source for your claim of 1700 felons
 pardoned by Kaine? 
  Haven't heard anything about it here in the
 Shenandoah Valley, and the folks 
  here have little love for the Gov.
  David McKay
 

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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-06 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
If doesn't make sense that Timothy M. Kaine, governor of Virginia, would 
have been motivated by the Presidential election to pardon 1,500 felons; 
because, the risk of using this method to rig an presidential election 
would be extremely high for essential no rewards, as well as extreme 
inefficient.  You guys need to stop assigning sinister election 
manipulating motives to every action that can somehow be associated with 
the Presidential election.

1)  A felcon can be either a Republican or a Democrat, so there is no 
way to know how many votes Republican votes would have resulted for 
pardoning 1,500 felons.

2)  A felon is less likely to vote than a non-felon.

3)  1,500 votes is pretty insignificant in a presidential election.

4)  President Elect Obama didn't need these votes, espcially these kinds 
of votes, so why take a huge risk that going to be scrutinized carefully 
by the press regardless of motive.?

Vote in Virginia:
Obama 1,792,502   52%
McCain1,637,338   47%

Regards,

LelandJ


James Roark(The Dogstar Group) wrote:
 David McKay wrote:
   
 Larry,
 Do you have a source for your claim of 1700 felons pardoned by Kaine? 
 Haven't heard anything about it here in the Shenandoah Valley, and the folks 
 here have little love for the Gov.
 David McKay

   
 
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-06 Thread Stephen Russell
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If doesn't make sense that Timothy M. Kaine, governor of Virginia, would
 have been motivated by the Presidential election to pardon 1,500 felons;
 because, the risk of using this method to rig an presidential election
 would be extremely high for essential no rewards, as well as extreme
 inefficient.  You guys need to stop assigning sinister election
 manipulating motives to every action that can somehow be associated with
 the Presidential election.

 1)  A felcon can be either a Republican or a Democrat, so there is no
 way to know how many votes Republican votes would have resulted for
 pardoning 1,500 felons.

 2)  A felon is less likely to vote than a non-felon.


On a state by state basis but felons are not allowed to vote.
http://www.speakout.com/activism/issue_briefs/1289b-1.html



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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-06 Thread Michael Madigan
Not just the presidential election, but his own re-election.

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--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Leland F. Jackson, CPA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Leland F. Jackson, CPA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama
 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 10:22 AM
 If doesn't make sense that Timothy M. Kaine, governor of
 Virginia, would 
 have been motivated by the Presidential election to pardon
 1,500 felons; 
 because, the risk of using this method to rig an
 presidential election 
 would be extremely high for essential no rewards, as well
 as extreme 
 inefficient.  You guys need to stop assigning sinister
 election 
 manipulating motives to every action that can somehow be
 associated with 
 the Presidential election.
 
 1)  A felcon can be either a Republican or a Democrat, so
 there is no 
 way to know how many votes Republican votes would have
 resulted for 
 pardoning 1,500 felons.
 
 2)  A felon is less likely to vote than a non-felon.
 
 3)  1,500 votes is pretty insignificant in a presidential
 election.
 
 4)  President Elect Obama didn't need these votes,
 espcially these kinds 
 of votes, so why take a huge risk that going to be
 scrutinized carefully 
 by the press regardless of motive.?
 
 Vote in Virginia:
 Obama 1,792,502   52%
 McCain1,637,338   47%
 
 Regards,
 
 LelandJ
 
 
 James Roark(The Dogstar Group) wrote:
  David McKay wrote:

  Larry,
  Do you have a source for your claim of 1700 felons
 pardoned by Kaine? 
  Haven't heard anything about it here in the
 Shenandoah Valley, and the folks 
  here have little love for the Gov.
  David McKay
 

  
 
 http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-10-24-0185.html
 
 
 
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-06 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Whoops, I hit send before having a chance to read my post:

#

It doesn't make sense that Timothy M. Kaine, governor of Virginia, would 
have been motivated by the Presidential election to pardon 1,500 felons; 
because, the risk of using this method to rig a presidential election 
would be extremely high for essential little or no gain, as well as 
extremely inefficient.  You guys need to stop assigning sinister motives 
to every action that can somehow be associated with the Presidential 
election.

1)  A felcon can be either Republican or Democrat, so there is no way to 
know how many Republican votes would have resulted form pardoning 1,500 
felons.

2)  A felon is less likely to vote than a non-felon.

3)  President Elect Obama didn't need these votes, especially these 
kinds of votes, so why take a huge risk that's going to be scrutinized 
carefully by the press regardless of motive.?

Vote in Virginia:
Obama 1,792,502   52%
McCain1,637,338   47%

#

Regards,

LelandJ


James Roark(The Dogstar Group) wrote:
 David McKay wrote:
   
 Larry,
 Do you have a source for your claim of 1700 felons pardoned by Kaine? 
 Haven't heard anything about it here in the Shenandoah Valley, and the folks 
 here have little love for the Gov.
 David McKay

   
 
 http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-10-24-0185.html



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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-06 Thread John
Many states have a process whereby a felon can petition to have their rights
restored. Tennessee is one such state, and the democrats are the ones who
push to get their rights restored. I really don't have a problem with it,
when the felon has 1 conviction. They have supposedly paid their debt. If
they get convicted a second time, I say no more.

John Harvey

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Of Stephen Russell
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:44 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If doesn't make sense that Timothy M. Kaine, governor of Virginia, would
 have been motivated by the Presidential election to pardon 1,500 felons;
 because, the risk of using this method to rig an presidential election
 would be extremely high for essential no rewards, as well as extreme
 inefficient.  You guys need to stop assigning sinister election
 manipulating motives to every action that can somehow be associated with
 the Presidential election.

 1)  A felcon can be either a Republican or a Democrat, so there is no
 way to know how many votes Republican votes would have resulted for
 pardoning 1,500 felons.

 2)  A felon is less likely to vote than a non-felon.


On a state by state basis but felons are not allowed to vote.
http://www.speakout.com/activism/issue_briefs/1289b-1.html



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Sr. Production Systems Programmer
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Memphis TN

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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-06 Thread Michael Madigan
According to Human Rights Watch and The Sentencing Project, 1.4 million 
African American men, or 13% of black men, are disenfranchised, a rate seven 
times the national average.

It is terrible to disenfranchise bad people.  How awful. LOL




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--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Stephen Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Stephen Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama
 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 10:44 AM
 On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If doesn't make sense that Timothy M. Kaine,
 governor of Virginia, would
  have been motivated by the Presidential election to
 pardon 1,500 felons;
  because, the risk of using this method to rig an
 presidential election
  would be extremely high for essential no rewards, as
 well as extreme
  inefficient.  You guys need to stop assigning sinister
 election
  manipulating motives to every action that can somehow
 be associated with
  the Presidential election.
 
  1)  A felcon can be either a Republican or a Democrat,
 so there is no
  way to know how many votes Republican votes would have
 resulted for
  pardoning 1,500 felons.
 
  2)  A felon is less likely to vote than a non-felon.
 
 
 On a state by state basis but felons are not allowed to
 vote.
 http://www.speakout.com/activism/issue_briefs/1289b-1.html
 
 
 
 -- 
 Stephen Russell
 Sr. Production Systems Programmer
 Mimeo.com
 Memphis TN
 
 901.246-0159
 
 
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-06 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Right, I should have a pardoned felon.

Regards,

LelandJ


Stephen Russell wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 If doesn't make sense that Timothy M. Kaine, governor of Virginia, would
 have been motivated by the Presidential election to pardon 1,500 felons;
 because, the risk of using this method to rig an presidential election
 would be extremely high for essential no rewards, as well as extreme
 inefficient.  You guys need to stop assigning sinister election
 manipulating motives to every action that can somehow be associated with
 the Presidential election.

 1)  A felcon can be either a Republican or a Democrat, so there is no
 way to know how many votes Republican votes would have resulted for
 pardoning 1,500 felons.

 2)  A felon is less likely to vote than a non-felon.
 
 

 On a state by state basis but felons are not allowed to vote.
 http://www.speakout.com/activism/issue_briefs/1289b-1.html



   



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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-06 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Whoops, I'm having trouble talking today. LOL  I should have said a 
pardoned felon, rather than  a felon.  The whole allegation doesn't 
just doesn't make sense.

Regards,

LelandJ
 



Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
 Right, I should have a pardoned felon.

 Regards,

 LelandJ


 Stephen Russell wrote:
   
 On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 
 If doesn't make sense that Timothy M. Kaine, governor of Virginia, would
 have been motivated by the Presidential election to pardon 1,500 felons;
 because, the risk of using this method to rig an presidential election
 would be extremely high for essential no rewards, as well as extreme
 inefficient.  You guys need to stop assigning sinister election
 manipulating motives to every action that can somehow be associated with
 the Presidential election.

 1)  A felcon can be either a Republican or a Democrat, so there is no
 way to know how many votes Republican votes would have resulted for
 pardoning 1,500 felons.

 2)  A felon is less likely to vote than a non-felon.
 
   
 

 On a state by state basis but felons are not allowed to vote.
 http://www.speakout.com/activism/issue_briefs/1289b-1.html



   
 



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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-06 Thread Larry Miller
I've met the man, you have too high an opinion of him.  He's as partisan as 
anyone.  When ACORN types were registering college kids, he met with the Obama 
campaign and the Secretary of the Board of Elections twice, and after the final 
meeting, the registrars were told that it was not their responsibility to 
insure that the students were qualified as residents and that they should take 
the students word for it.  

After that the chairman of our 3rd congressional district ran a comparison of 
voter registrations with just several counties in PA and found over 300 
duplicates... some had already cast ballots in both locations.  The plan was to 
pursue these kids, as the crime is a felony.  How is that for screwing up your 
life?  Why would an honest administration seek to obscure and protect such 
behavior?

Whether the votes were needed this time or not, the Ds were doing everything 
they could to fudge the system.  Why is it the left is always so blind to such 
shinnanigans and is unwilling to accept the depth of corruption that is evident 
to anyone with at least half a brain.  

I will also admit that not all Rs are willing to after one of their own, but 
Sarahcuda did.  I helped take out a county supervisor who was in bed with the 
developers, and like to think that I helped another decide not to run again.

Most Rs will agree that it doesn't matter what party a pol is from, if they are 
corrupt, they should go.  Hear that, Ted Stevens?  Don't go all self righteous 
on me about the Ds.  Barney Frank had a 'gay escort' service running out his 
place in DC and NOTHING HAPPENED!   So I hope you will pardon those of us who 
look at most Ds and see someone who, if they are not corrupt themselves, is at 
least accepting of it in others if it helps them toward their goals.

Larry Miller


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From: Leland F. Jackson, CPA 
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Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:22:31 + (UTC)
Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama

If doesn't make sense that Timothy M. Kaine, governor of Virginia, would 
have been motivated by the Presidential election to pardon 1,500 felons; 
because, the risk of using this method to rig an presidential election 
would be extremely high for essential no rewards, as well as extreme 
inefficient.  You guys need to stop assigning sinister election 
manipulating motives to every action that can somehow be associated with 
the Presidential election.

1)  A felcon can be either a Republican or a Democrat, so there is no 
way to know how many votes Republican votes would have resulted for 
pardoning 1,500 felons.

2)  A felon is less likely to vote than a non-felon.

3)  1,500 votes is pretty insignificant in a presidential election.

4)  President Elect Obama didn't need these votes, espcially these kinds 
of votes, so why take a huge risk that going to be scrutinized carefully 
by the press regardless of motive.?

Vote in Virginia:
Obama 1,792,502   52%
McCain1,637,338   47%

Regards,

LelandJ


James Roark(The Dogstar Group) wrote:
 David McKay wrote:
   
 Larry,
 Do you have a source for your claim of 1700 felons pardoned by Kaine? 
 Haven't heard anything about it here in the Shenandoah Valley, and the folks 
 here have little love for the Gov.
 David McKay

   
 
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-06 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
This all sounds like partisan politics to me, and is a major reason why 
the country is so divided along political party lines.  If a rule of law 
is not followed, then a crime is committed, but Justice should be 
impartial and administered evenly.  To publicize criminals, or crime, as 
an innate behavior of an particular political party, or to assign 
sinister motivations to legal behavior to gain an advantage politically, 
is immoral and then some.

It is difficult to understand a person's motive, even the motive of 
ourselves, so assigning motive to behavior of others is very error 
prone, unless you have the gifts of someone like President Bush:  LOL

#

I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward 
and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue.

I was able to get a sense of his soul.

He's a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of 
his country and I appreciate very much the frank dialogue and that's the 
beginning of a very constructive relationship,

#--

Regards,

LelandJ

Larry Miller wrote:
 I've met the man, you have too high an opinion of him.  He's as partisan as 
 anyone.  When ACORN types were registering college kids, he met with the 
 Obama campaign and the Secretary of the Board of Elections twice, and after 
 the final meeting, the registrars were told that it was not their 
 responsibility to insure that the students were qualified as residents and 
 that they should take the students word for it.  

 After that the chairman of our 3rd congressional district ran a comparison of 
 voter registrations with just several counties in PA and found over 300 
 duplicates... some had already cast ballots in both locations.  The plan was 
 to pursue these kids, as the crime is a felony.  How is that for screwing up 
 your life?  Why would an honest administration seek to obscure and protect 
 such behavior?

 Whether the votes were needed this time or not, the Ds were doing everything 
 they could to fudge the system.  Why is it the left is always so blind to 
 such shinnanigans and is unwilling to accept the depth of corruption that is 
 evident to anyone with at least half a brain.  

 I will also admit that not all Rs are willing to after one of their own, but 
 Sarahcuda did.  I helped take out a county supervisor who was in bed with the 
 developers, and like to think that I helped another decide not to run again.

 Most Rs will agree that it doesn't matter what party a pol is from, if they 
 are corrupt, they should go.  Hear that, Ted Stevens?  Don't go all self 
 righteous on me about the Ds.  Barney Frank had a 'gay escort' service 
 running out his place in DC and NOTHING HAPPENED!   So I hope you will pardon 
 those of us who look at most Ds and see someone who, if they are not corrupt 
 themselves, is at least accepting of it in others if it helps them toward 
 their goals.

 Larry Miller


 - Original Message -
 From: Leland F. Jackson, CPA 
 To: ProFox Email List 
 Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:22:31 + (UTC)
 Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama

 If doesn't make sense that Timothy M. Kaine, governor of Virginia, would 
 have been motivated by the Presidential election to pardon 1,500 felons; 
 because, the risk of using this method to rig an presidential election 
 would be extremely high for essential no rewards, as well as extreme 
 inefficient.  You guys need to stop assigning sinister election 
 manipulating motives to every action that can somehow be associated with 
 the Presidential election.

 1)  A felcon can be either a Republican or a Democrat, so there is no 
 way to know how many votes Republican votes would have resulted for 
 pardoning 1,500 felons.

 2)  A felon is less likely to vote than a non-felon.

 3)  1,500 votes is pretty insignificant in a presidential election.

 4)  President Elect Obama didn't need these votes, espcially these kinds 
 of votes, so why take a huge risk that going to be scrutinized carefully 
 by the press regardless of motive.?

 Vote in Virginia:
 Obama 1,792,502   52%
 McCain1,637,338   47%

 Regards,

 LelandJ


 James Roark(The Dogstar Group) wrote:
   
 David McKay wrote:
   
 
 Larry,
 Do you have a source for your claim of 1700 felons pardoned by Kaine? 
 Haven't heard anything about it here in the Shenandoah Valley, and the 
 folks 
 here have little love for the Gov.
 David McKay

   
 
   
 http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-10-24-0185.html



 
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-06 Thread Larry Miller
Have you never heard that a leader, like a good wife, should not only be above 
reproach, but also appear to be above reproach?

Larry Miller


- Original Message -
From: Leland F. Jackson, CPA 
To: ProFox Email List 
Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:43:05 + (UTC)
Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama

This all sounds like partisan politics to me, and is a major reason why 
the country is so divided along political party lines.  If a rule of law 
is not followed, then a crime is committed, but Justice should be 
impartial and administered evenly.  To publicize criminals, or crime, as 
an innate behavior of an particular political party, or to assign 
sinister motivations to legal behavior to gain an advantage politically, 
is immoral and then some.

It is difficult to understand a person's motive, even the motive of 
ourselves, so assigning motive to behavior of others is very error 
prone, unless you have the gifts of someone like President Bush:  LOL

#

I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward 
and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue.

I was able to get a sense of his soul.

He's a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of 
his country and I appreciate very much the frank dialogue and that's the 
beginning of a very constructive relationship,

#--

Regards,

LelandJ

Larry Miller wrote:
 I've met the man, you have too high an opinion of him.  He's as partisan as 
 anyone.  When ACORN types were registering college kids, he met with the 
 Obama campaign and the Secretary of the Board of Elections twice, and after 
 the final meeting, the registrars were told that it was not their 
 responsibility to insure that the students were qualified as residents and 
 that they should take the students word for it.  

 After that the chairman of our 3rd congressional district ran a comparison of 
 voter registrations with just several counties in PA and found over 300 
 duplicates... some had already cast ballots in both locations.  The plan was 
 to pursue these kids, as the crime is a felony.  How is that for screwing up 
 your life?  Why would an honest administration seek to obscure and protect 
 such behavior?

 Whether the votes were needed this time or not, the Ds were doing everything 
 they could to fudge the system.  Why is it the left is always so blind to 
 such shinnanigans and is unwilling to accept the depth of corruption that is 
 evident to anyone with at least half a brain.  

 I will also admit that not all Rs are willing to after one of their own, but 
 Sarahcuda did.  I helped take out a county supervisor who was in bed with the 
 developers, and like to think that I helped another decide not to run again.

 Most Rs will agree that it doesn't matter what party a pol is from, if they 
 are corrupt, they should go.  Hear that, Ted Stevens?  Don't go all self 
 righteous on me about the Ds.  Barney Frank had a 'gay escort' service 
 running out his place in DC and NOTHING HAPPENED!   So I hope you will pardon 
 those of us who look at most Ds and see someone who, if they are not corrupt 
 themselves, is at least accepting of it in others if it helps them toward 
 their goals.

 Larry Miller


 - Original Message -
 From: Leland F. Jackson, CPA 
 To: ProFox Email List 
 Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:22:31 + (UTC)
 Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama

 If doesn't make sense that Timothy M. Kaine, governor of Virginia, would 
 have been motivated by the Presidential election to pardon 1,500 felons; 
 because, the risk of using this method to rig an presidential election 
 would be extremely high for essential no rewards, as well as extreme 
 inefficient.  You guys need to stop assigning sinister election 
 manipulating motives to every action that can somehow be associated with 
 the Presidential election.

 1)  A felcon can be either a Republican or a Democrat, so there is no 
 way to know how many votes Republican votes would have resulted for 
 pardoning 1,500 felons.

 2)  A felon is less likely to vote than a non-felon.

 3)  1,500 votes is pretty insignificant in a presidential election.

 4)  President Elect Obama didn't need these votes, espcially these kinds 
 of votes, so why take a huge risk that going to be scrutinized carefully 
 by the press regardless of motive.?

 Vote in Virginia:
 Obama 1,792,502   52%
 McCain1,637,338   47%

 Regards,

 LelandJ


 James Roark(The Dogstar Group) wrote:
   
 David McKay wrote:
   
 
 Larry,
 Do you have a source for your claim of 1700 felons pardoned by Kaine? 
 Haven't heard anything about it here in the Shenandoah Valley, and the 
 folks 
 here have little love for the Gov.
 David McKay

   
 
   
 http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-10-24-0185.html



 
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-06 Thread Pete Theisen
Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:

Hi Leland!

Hope all the felcons on your list got it after you revised it.

 Whoops, I hit send before having a chance to read my post:
 
 #
 
 It doesn't make sense that Timothy M. Kaine, governor of Virginia, would 
 have been motivated by the Presidential election to pardon 1,500 felons; 
 because, the risk of using this method to rig a presidential election 
 would be extremely high for essential little or no gain, as well as 
 extremely inefficient.  You guys need to stop assigning sinister motives 
 to every action that can somehow be associated with the Presidential 
 election.
 
 1)  A felcon can be either Republican or Democrat
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-06 Thread Pete Theisen
Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
 Whoops, I'm having trouble talking today. LOL  I should have said a
  pardoned felon, rather than  a felon.  The whole allegation
 doesn't just doesn't make sense.

Hi Leland!

Felcons are better.

 1)  A felcon can be either a Republican or a Democrat


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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-06 Thread Pete Theisen
Michael Madigan wrote:
 According to Human Rights Watch and The Sentencing Project, 1.4 million 
 African American men, or 13% of black men, are disenfranchised, a rate seven 
 times the national average.
 
 It is terrible to disenfranchise bad people.  How awful. LOL

Hi Michael!

Give him a choice. Hard labor, no TV or tobacco in the joint and he can 
vote when he gets out. Otherwise, otherwise.
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-06 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
How did Virginia governor Tim Kaine show a lack of independence, or an 
appearance of lack of independence, by exercising his right to pardon 1,500 
felons?

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/virginiapolitics/2007/11/virginia_postelection_roundup.html

or

*http://tinyurl.com/6nore5*

Regards,

LelandJ

Larry Miller wrote:
 Have you never heard that a leader, like a good wife, should not only be 
 above reproach, but also appear to be above reproach?

 Larry Miller


 - Original Message -
 From: Leland F. Jackson, CPA 
 To: ProFox Email List 
 Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:43:05 + (UTC)
 Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama

 This all sounds like partisan politics to me, and is a major reason why 
 the country is so divided along political party lines.  If a rule of law 
 is not followed, then a crime is committed, but Justice should be 
 impartial and administered evenly.  To publicize criminals, or crime, as 
 an innate behavior of an particular political party, or to assign 
 sinister motivations to legal behavior to gain an advantage politically, 
 is immoral and then some.

 It is difficult to understand a person's motive, even the motive of 
 ourselves, so assigning motive to behavior of others is very error 
 prone, unless you have the gifts of someone like President Bush:  LOL

 #

 I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward 
 and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue.

 I was able to get a sense of his soul.

 He's a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of 
 his country and I appreciate very much the frank dialogue and that's the 
 beginning of a very constructive relationship,

 #--

 Regards,

 LelandJ

 Larry Miller wrote:
   
 I've met the man, you have too high an opinion of him.  He's as partisan as 
 anyone.  When ACORN types were registering college kids, he met with the 
 Obama campaign and the Secretary of the Board of Elections twice, and after 
 the final meeting, the registrars were told that it was not their 
 responsibility to insure that the students were qualified as residents and 
 that they should take the students word for it.  

 After that the chairman of our 3rd congressional district ran a comparison 
 of voter registrations with just several counties in PA and found over 300 
 duplicates... some had already cast ballots in both locations.  The plan was 
 to pursue these kids, as the crime is a felony.  How is that for screwing up 
 your life?  Why would an honest administration seek to obscure and protect 
 such behavior?

 Whether the votes were needed this time or not, the Ds were doing everything 
 they could to fudge the system.  Why is it the left is always so blind to 
 such shinnanigans and is unwilling to accept the depth of corruption that is 
 evident to anyone with at least half a brain.  

 I will also admit that not all Rs are willing to after one of their own, but 
 Sarahcuda did.  I helped take out a county supervisor who was in bed with 
 the developers, and like to think that I helped another decide not to run 
 again.

 Most Rs will agree that it doesn't matter what party a pol is from, if they 
 are corrupt, they should go.  Hear that, Ted Stevens?  Don't go all self 
 righteous on me about the Ds.  Barney Frank had a 'gay escort' service 
 running out his place in DC and NOTHING HAPPENED!   So I hope you will 
 pardon those of us who look at most Ds and see someone who, if they are not 
 corrupt themselves, is at least accepting of it in others if it helps them 
 toward their goals.

 Larry Miller


 - Original Message -
 From: Leland F. Jackson, CPA 
 To: ProFox Email List 
 Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:22:31 + (UTC)
 Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama

 If doesn't make sense that Timothy M. Kaine, governor of Virginia, would 
 have been motivated by the Presidential election to pardon 1,500 felons; 
 because, the risk of using this method to rig an presidential election 
 would be extremely high for essential no rewards, as well as extreme 
 inefficient.  You guys need to stop assigning sinister election 
 manipulating motives to every action that can somehow be associated with 
 the Presidential election.

 1)  A felcon can be either a Republican or a Democrat, so there is no 
 way to know how many votes Republican votes would have resulted for 
 pardoning 1,500 felons.

 2)  A felon is less likely to vote than a non-felon.

 3)  1,500 votes is pretty insignificant in a presidential election.

 4)  President Elect Obama didn't need these votes, espcially these kinds 
 of votes, so why take a huge risk that going to be scrutinized carefully 
 by the press regardless of motive.?

 Vote in Virginia:
 Obama 1,792,502   52%
 McCain1,637,338   47%

 Regards,

 LelandJ


 James Roark(The Dogstar Group) wrote:
   
 
 David McKay wrote:
   
 
   
 Larry,
 Do you have a source for your claim of 1700 felons

Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-06 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
And I thought you had given up on my spelling/typing some time ago.

Regards,

LelandJ

Pete Theisen wrote:
 Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
   
 Whoops, I'm having trouble talking today. LOL  I should have said a
  pardoned felon, rather than  a felon.  The whole allegation
 doesn't just doesn't make sense.
 

 Hi Leland!

 Felcons are better.

   
 1)  A felcon can be either a Republican or a Democrat
   


   



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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-06 Thread Larry Miller
Reproach... not independence!  If it looks like a scumbag and acts like a 
scumbag... it's probably a scumbag.

Larry Miller


- Original Message -
From: Leland F. Jackson, CPA 
To: ProFox Email List 
Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:54:01 + (UTC)
Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama

How did Virginia governor Tim Kaine show a lack of independence, or an 
appearance of lack of independence, by exercising his right to pardon 1,500 
felons?

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/virginiapolitics/2007/11/virginia_postelection_roundup.html

or

*http://tinyurl.com/6nore5*

Regards,

LelandJ

Larry Miller wrote:
 Have you never heard that a leader, like a good wife, should not only be 
 above reproach, but also appear to be above reproach?

 Larry Miller


 - Original Message -
 From: Leland F. Jackson, CPA 
 To: ProFox Email List 
 Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:43:05 + (UTC)
 Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama

 This all sounds like partisan politics to me, and is a major reason why 
 the country is so divided along political party lines.  If a rule of law 
 is not followed, then a crime is committed, but Justice should be 
 impartial and administered evenly.  To publicize criminals, or crime, as 
 an innate behavior of an particular political party, or to assign 
 sinister motivations to legal behavior to gain an advantage politically, 
 is immoral and then some.

 It is difficult to understand a person's motive, even the motive of 
 ourselves, so assigning motive to behavior of others is very error 
 prone, unless you have the gifts of someone like President Bush:  LOL

 #

 I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward 
 and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue.

 I was able to get a sense of his soul.

 He's a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of 
 his country and I appreciate very much the frank dialogue and that's the 
 beginning of a very constructive relationship,

 #--

 Regards,

 LelandJ

 Larry Miller wrote:
   
 I've met the man, you have too high an opinion of him.  He's as partisan as 
 anyone.  When ACORN types were registering college kids, he met with the 
 Obama campaign and the Secretary of the Board of Elections twice, and after 
 the final meeting, the registrars were told that it was not their 
 responsibility to insure that the students were qualified as residents and 
 that they should take the students word for it.  

 After that the chairman of our 3rd congressional district ran a comparison 
 of voter registrations with just several counties in PA and found over 300 
 duplicates... some had already cast ballots in both locations.  The plan was 
 to pursue these kids, as the crime is a felony.  How is that for screwing up 
 your life?  Why would an honest administration seek to obscure and protect 
 such behavior?

 Whether the votes were needed this time or not, the Ds were doing everything 
 they could to fudge the system.  Why is it the left is always so blind to 
 such shinnanigans and is unwilling to accept the depth of corruption that is 
 evident to anyone with at least half a brain.  

 I will also admit that not all Rs are willing to after one of their own, but 
 Sarahcuda did.  I helped take out a county supervisor who was in bed with 
 the developers, and like to think that I helped another decide not to run 
 again.

 Most Rs will agree that it doesn't matter what party a pol is from, if they 
 are corrupt, they should go.  Hear that, Ted Stevens?  Don't go all self 
 righteous on me about the Ds.  Barney Frank had a 'gay escort' service 
 running out his place in DC and NOTHING HAPPENED!   So I hope you will 
 pardon those of us who look at most Ds and see someone who, if they are not 
 corrupt themselves, is at least accepting of it in others if it helps them 
 toward their goals.

 Larry Miller


 - Original Message -
 From: Leland F. Jackson, CPA 
 To: ProFox Email List 
 Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:22:31 + (UTC)
 Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama

 If doesn't make sense that Timothy M. Kaine, governor of Virginia, would 
 have been motivated by the Presidential election to pardon 1,500 felons; 
 because, the risk of using this method to rig an presidential election 
 would be extremely high for essential no rewards, as well as extreme 
 inefficient.  You guys need to stop assigning sinister election 
 manipulating motives to every action that can somehow be associated with 
 the Presidential election.

 1)  A felcon can be either a Republican or a Democrat, so there is no 
 way to know how many votes Republican votes would have resulted for 
 pardoning 1,500 felons.

 2)  A felon is less likely to vote than a non-felon.

 3)  1,500 votes is pretty insignificant in a presidential election.

 4)  President Elect Obama didn't need these votes, espcially these kinds 
 of votes, so why take a huge risk that going to be scrutinized carefully

Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-06 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Just because Virginia turned Democratic is no reason to resent Governor 
Jim Kaine.

Regards,

LelandJ

Larry Miller wrote:
 Reproach... not independence!  If it looks like a scumbag and acts like a 
 scumbag... it's probably a scumbag.

 Larry Miller


 - Original Message -
 From: Leland F. Jackson, CPA 
 To: ProFox Email List 
 Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:54:01 + (UTC)
 Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama

 How did Virginia governor Tim Kaine show a lack of independence, or an 
 appearance of lack of independence, by exercising his right to pardon 1,500 
 felons?

 http://blog.washingtonpost.com/virginiapolitics/2007/11/virginia_postelection_roundup.html

 or

 *http://tinyurl.com/6nore5*

 Regards,

 LelandJ

 Larry Miller wrote:
   
 Have you never heard that a leader, like a good wife, should not only be 
 above reproach, but also appear to be above reproach?

 Larry Miller


 - Original Message -
 From: Leland F. Jackson, CPA 
 To: ProFox Email List 
 Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:43:05 + (UTC)
 Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama

 This all sounds like partisan politics to me, and is a major reason why 
 the country is so divided along political party lines.  If a rule of law 
 is not followed, then a crime is committed, but Justice should be 
 impartial and administered evenly.  To publicize criminals, or crime, as 
 an innate behavior of an particular political party, or to assign 
 sinister motivations to legal behavior to gain an advantage politically, 
 is immoral and then some.

 It is difficult to understand a person's motive, even the motive of 
 ourselves, so assigning motive to behavior of others is very error 
 prone, unless you have the gifts of someone like President Bush:  LOL

 #

 I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward 
 and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue.

 I was able to get a sense of his soul.

 He's a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of 
 his country and I appreciate very much the frank dialogue and that's the 
 beginning of a very constructive relationship,

 #--

 Regards,

 LelandJ

 Larry Miller wrote:
   
 
 I've met the man, you have too high an opinion of him.  He's as partisan as 
 anyone.  When ACORN types were registering college kids, he met with the 
 Obama campaign and the Secretary of the Board of Elections twice, and after 
 the final meeting, the registrars were told that it was not their 
 responsibility to insure that the students were qualified as residents and 
 that they should take the students word for it.  

 After that the chairman of our 3rd congressional district ran a comparison 
 of voter registrations with just several counties in PA and found over 300 
 duplicates... some had already cast ballots in both locations.  The plan 
 was to pursue these kids, as the crime is a felony.  How is that for 
 screwing up your life?  Why would an honest administration seek to obscure 
 and protect such behavior?

 Whether the votes were needed this time or not, the Ds were doing 
 everything they could to fudge the system.  Why is it the left is always so 
 blind to such shinnanigans and is unwilling to accept the depth of 
 corruption that is evident to anyone with at least half a brain.  

 I will also admit that not all Rs are willing to after one of their own, 
 but Sarahcuda did.  I helped take out a county supervisor who was in bed 
 with the developers, and like to think that I helped another decide not to 
 run again.

 Most Rs will agree that it doesn't matter what party a pol is from, if they 
 are corrupt, they should go.  Hear that, Ted Stevens?  Don't go all self 
 righteous on me about the Ds.  Barney Frank had a 'gay escort' service 
 running out his place in DC and NOTHING HAPPENED!   So I hope you will 
 pardon those of us who look at most Ds and see someone who, if they are not 
 corrupt themselves, is at least accepting of it in others if it helps them 
 toward their goals.

 Larry Miller


 - Original Message -
 From: Leland F. Jackson, CPA 
 To: ProFox Email List 
 Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:22:31 + (UTC)
 Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama

 If doesn't make sense that Timothy M. Kaine, governor of Virginia, would 
 have been motivated by the Presidential election to pardon 1,500 felons; 
 because, the risk of using this method to rig an presidential election 
 would be extremely high for essential no rewards, as well as extreme 
 inefficient.  You guys need to stop assigning sinister election 
 manipulating motives to every action that can somehow be associated with 
 the Presidential election.

 1)  A felcon can be either a Republican or a Democrat, so there is no 
 way to know how many votes Republican votes would have resulted for 
 pardoning 1,500 felons.

 2)  A felon is less likely to vote than a non-felon.

 3)  1,500 votes is pretty insignificant in a presidential election

Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-06 Thread Larry Miller
There were plenty of reasons to dislike the man before... and more to watch 
him.  Can anyone say sneaky, slippery, slimey.  The best thing that could 
happen is he gets a post on the Omans administration.  You just can't see 
dishonesty when it benefits your guy, but you sound like it's pervasive in the 
Bush Whitehouse.  You need to take off the blinders.  

I admit it distrust Ds, but I know enough Rs to know that sometimes there is 
less to them than meets the eye.

Larry Miller


- Original Message -
From: Leland F. Jackson, CPA 
To: ProFox Email List 
Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:58:58 + (UTC)
Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama

Just because Virginia turned Democratic is no reason to resent Governor 
Jim Kaine.

Regards,

LelandJ

Larry Miller wrote:
 Reproach... not independence!  If it looks like a scumbag and acts like a 
 scumbag... it's probably a scumbag.

 Larry Miller


 - Original Message -
 From: Leland F. Jackson, CPA 
 To: ProFox Email List 
 Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:54:01 + (UTC)
 Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama

 How did Virginia governor Tim Kaine show a lack of independence, or an 
 appearance of lack of independence, by exercising his right to pardon 1,500 
 felons?

 http://blog.washingtonpost.com/virginiapolitics/2007/11/virginia_postelection_roundup.html

 or

 *http://tinyurl.com/6nore5*

 Regards,

 LelandJ

 Larry Miller wrote:
   
 Have you never heard that a leader, like a good wife, should not only be 
 above reproach, but also appear to be above reproach?

 Larry Miller


 - Original Message -
 From: Leland F. Jackson, CPA 
 To: ProFox Email List 
 Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:43:05 + (UTC)
 Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama

 This all sounds like partisan politics to me, and is a major reason why 
 the country is so divided along political party lines.  If a rule of law 
 is not followed, then a crime is committed, but Justice should be 
 impartial and administered evenly.  To publicize criminals, or crime, as 
 an innate behavior of an particular political party, or to assign 
 sinister motivations to legal behavior to gain an advantage politically, 
 is immoral and then some.

 It is difficult to understand a person's motive, even the motive of 
 ourselves, so assigning motive to behavior of others is very error 
 prone, unless you have the gifts of someone like President Bush:  LOL

 #

 I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward 
 and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue.

 I was able to get a sense of his soul.

 He's a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of 
 his country and I appreciate very much the frank dialogue and that's the 
 beginning of a very constructive relationship,

 #--

 Regards,

 LelandJ

 Larry Miller wrote:
   
 
 I've met the man, you have too high an opinion of him.  He's as partisan as 
 anyone.  When ACORN types were registering college kids, he met with the 
 Obama campaign and the Secretary of the Board of Elections twice, and after 
 the final meeting, the registrars were told that it was not their 
 responsibility to insure that the students were qualified as residents and 
 that they should take the students word for it.  

 After that the chairman of our 3rd congressional district ran a comparison 
 of voter registrations with just several counties in PA and found over 300 
 duplicates... some had already cast ballots in both locations.  The plan 
 was to pursue these kids, as the crime is a felony.  How is that for 
 screwing up your life?  Why would an honest administration seek to obscure 
 and protect such behavior?

 Whether the votes were needed this time or not, the Ds were doing 
 everything they could to fudge the system.  Why is it the left is always so 
 blind to such shinnanigans and is unwilling to accept the depth of 
 corruption that is evident to anyone with at least half a brain.  

 I will also admit that not all Rs are willing to after one of their own, 
 but Sarahcuda did.  I helped take out a county supervisor who was in bed 
 with the developers, and like to think that I helped another decide not to 
 run again.

 Most Rs will agree that it doesn't matter what party a pol is from, if they 
 are corrupt, they should go.  Hear that, Ted Stevens?  Don't go all self 
 righteous on me about the Ds.  Barney Frank had a 'gay escort' service 
 running out his place in DC and NOTHING HAPPENED!   So I hope you will 
 pardon those of us who look at most Ds and see someone who, if they are not 
 corrupt themselves, is at least accepting of it in others if it helps them 
 toward their goals.

 Larry Miller


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 From: Leland F. Jackson, CPA 
 To: ProFox Email List 
 Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:22:31 + (UTC)
 Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama

 If doesn't make sense that Timothy M. Kaine, governor of Virginia, would 
 have been motivated

Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Pete Theisen
John wrote:
 How long before we get attacked? I'm saying within 6 months, and the
 response won't seem correct. I think it will probably be we need to show
 restraint.

Hi John!

I'll see your Jimmy Carter and raise you a Bill Clinton. Just don't know 
if it will be Hamasfatah or Iranatolla.
-- 
Regards,

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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Pete Theisen
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
 Ed,
 
 I am absolutely inspired by the organizational skills demonstrated by the
 Obama campaign. I've never seen a candidate that was so deliberate and so
 thorough.
 
 No candidate has deserved his win more in my lifetime.

Hi Kristyne!

Pure dumb luck aided by mass treason and $200 million in enemy infiltration.
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Pete Theisen
Ed Leafe wrote:
 On Nov 4, 2008, at 11:20 PM, John wrote:

 Rev Wright for what?
 William Ayers - head of CIA?
 Father Pfulge - secretary of state?
 Traitor, er, Colin Powell - ambassador to france?
 Tony Rezko secretary of housing?
 
   Wow, I thought you would realize how lame you sound with this crap by  
 now.
 
   You had your chance. Your unwavering, unquestioning support of  GWB  
 showed the depth and value of your wisdom. Time for you to step aside  
 with your hate and let the people who want to make things better get  
 things done. There's no way they can fuck it up any worse than your  
 choice has done.

Hi Ed!

Why lookie here who's talking about hate!
-- 
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Pete Theisen
Michael Oke, II wrote:

Hi Michael!

Like the man said, so glad this is archived.

 Do you really believe that there is NO WAY?  Or is it that you believe 
 that they can't?  I hope and pray that you are right but seriously doubt 
 that that will be the case.

 There's no way they can fuck it up any worse than your  
 choice has done.
-- 
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Pete Theisen
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
 Ed,
 
  Wow, I thought you would realize how lame you
 sound with this crap by now.
 
 There are a lot of people that just don't want to believe what just happened
 tonight. I look forward to the massive change this election result will have
 not only here but all over the world.
 
 We needed a new President Elect Obama to show ourselves and the world that
 we're DONE with the way we've been behaving recently.
 
 I'm going to be sleeping really well tonight. Extremely well.

Hi Kristyne!

Yeah, dream about how President McCain planned to save your home for you.
-- 
Regards,

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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Pete Theisen
Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
 Senator John McCain made a very heart felt concession speech tonight in 
 which he called for his supporters to unit behind President Elect 
 Obama.  He took full responsibility for the Republican losses, but in 
 all honesty, the Republicans never had a chance of electing him 
 president; because, Senator McCain was going up against a perfect storm 
 created over the last eight year by his own party.

Hi Leland!

Perfect storm of dirty tricks. Let's see stealing campaign signs in the 
dead of night, false accusations that don't unravel until the eave of 
the election and election fraud help the low-life son of a bitch against 
the real-world enemies that he will try to turn tail and run from.
-- 
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Ricardo Araoz
John wrote:
 Yep, and it will be there for your Marxist president too!
 

Sorry, isn't he YOUR president too? I thought that was the concept of
DEMOCRACY which you swore to  defend?


 John Harvey
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Ed Leafe
 Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:04 PM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama
 
 On Nov 4, 2008, at 9:49 PM, John wrote:
 
 And it two years, there will be a mass exodus of Democrats from both  
 houses,
 after they really screw things up. I just hope we can put it back  
 together.
 Obama will put us in a dangerous position.  I hope we don't get  
 nuked by his
 associates.
 
   I'm so glad this stuff is archived. All your droolings about the
 Bush  
 presidency are there for others to review and gauge your wisdom.
 
 -- Ed Leafe
 


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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Ricardo Araoz
John wrote:
 How long before we get attacked? I'm saying within 6 months, and the
 response won't seem correct. I think it will probably be we need to show
 restraint.
 

Who is 'we'? Are you israeli? I thought you were US'arian (pun intended).

 John Harvey
 
 
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 Kiss Israel goodbye.
 


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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Ricardo Araoz
John wrote:
 You are forgetting that 40% of the 95% don't pay taxes, so you and I, and a
 bunch of other people who work for a living, will be sending Joe the
 non-hacking, alcoholic, crack smoking, democrat a check.
 
 JH
 

Speaking of Joe. What was his name? Bill the electrician or
something? Well, anyway, let's say it was Bill.

IN YOUR FACE, BILL.

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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Ricardo Araoz
John wrote:
 And it two years, there will be a mass exodus of Democrats from both houses,
 after they really screw things up. I just hope we can put it back together.
 Obama will put us in a dangerous position.  I hope we don't get nuked by his
 associates.

LOL A strange concept. Why would your ASSOCIATES nuke you? You should
worry for those who are NOT your associates. Besides, he is YOUR
president now, so his associates are the country's associates.

 
 John Harvey
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Ed Leafe
 Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:32 PM
 To: ProFox Mailing List
 Subject: [OT] President Obama
 
   In a little over two months, we will start on a new path. Those who
 
 called for the policies for that past 8 years now have to admit that  
 their time has come and gone, and that they have nothing to show for  
 their efforts come complete and abysmal failure. I have not doubt that  
 they will continue to cling to the illusion that they have the  
 slightest understanding of the world, but at least for the next two  
 years we no longer have to worry about them.
 
 
 -- Ed Leafe
 


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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Ricardo Araoz
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
 Ed,
 
  Wow, I thought you would realize how lame you
 sound with this crap by now.
 
 There are a lot of people that just don't want to believe what just happened
 tonight. I look forward to the massive change this election result will have
 not only here but all over the world.
 
 We needed a new President Elect Obama to show ourselves and the world that
 we're DONE with the way we've been behaving recently.
 
 I'm going to be sleeping really well tonight. Extremely well.
 

No Kristyne. We, the rest of the world, are not so gullible. It just
wont do by just changing a president. The govt. (those who are career
and not elected), the NSA, the pentagon, all those who have a saying in
external affairs are still there. And on top of that your republicans
are there waiting for you to trip.
So no, it's not so easy to be DONE with the way you've been
behaving... the last hundred years. It will take a change of heart of
most part of your population to do that.



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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Kristyne McDaniel
Ricardo,

 No Kristyne. We, the rest of the world, are not so gullible. It just
 wont do by just changing a president.

I'm aware of that. But we have to start somewhere.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27542176/


Kristyne McDaniel
http://www.kristynemcdaniel.com/blog
http://www.emryldadvantage.com/
http://www.mcstyles.com/
 
Whether you think you can, or you think you can't you are right.
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Helio Wakasugui
John,

I always fight marxists here in Brazil and believe me you and Larry are as
much as blind by ideology and hatred and impervious to criticism as they
are.

HW

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:07 AM, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yep, and it will be there for your Marxist president too!

 John Harvey


 -Original Message-
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 Of Ed Leafe
 Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:04 PM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama

 On Nov 4, 2008, at 9:49 PM, John wrote:

  And it two years, there will be a mass exodus of Democrats from both
  houses,
  after they really screw things up. I just hope we can put it back
  together.
  Obama will put us in a dangerous position.  I hope we don't get
  nuked by his
  associates.

I'm so glad this stuff is archived. All your droolings about the
 Bush
 presidency are there for others to review and gauge your wisdom.

 -- Ed Leafe





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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Wolfe, Stephen S Civ USAF AMC 6 MDSS/SGSI
Yep, time for me to look for a job in the civilian sector because the
DoD now expects 'huge' force shaping to occur -- that means RIFs in
active, civilian and services contract positions.  Anyway, I have 33
years in so I can retire.

v/r
 

//SIGNED//

Stephen S. Wolfe, YA2, DAF
6th MDG Data Services Manager
6th MDG Information System Security Officer
Comm (813) 827-9994  DSN 651-9994

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Behalf Of Ed Leafe
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:32 PM
To: ProFox Mailing List
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In a little over two months, we will start on a new path. Those
who  
called for the policies for that past 8 years now have to admit that  
their time has come and gone, and that they have nothing to show for  
their efforts come complete and abysmal failure. I have not doubt that  
they will continue to cling to the illusion that they have the  
slightest understanding of the world, but at least for the next two  
years we no longer have to worry about them.


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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread John
Oh, I guess you didn't hear Joe (foot in mouth, walking gaff machine).

John Harvey


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John wrote:
 How long before we get attacked? I'm saying within 6 months, and the
 response won't seem correct. I think it will probably be we need to show
 restraint.
 

Who is 'we'? Are you israeli? I thought you were US'arian (pun intended).

 John Harvey
 
 
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 Kiss Israel goodbye.
 


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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread John
I'm thinking about the saying those who fail to learn the lessons of
history . . . . 

John Harvey


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Not forgetting... just referrencing the tax credit explanation of the 'tax
cut'.  What concerns me is that we are very near the tipping point where
more than 50% of the population can vote for the other part of the
population to hand over its resources... or perhaps we have passed it.

I was amazed and saddened by the people going through the polls today that
were almost giddy with the idea of the O-man being elected.  It was evident
they were not in the group, even at the $42K cutoff that would be paying
higher taxes.  They just can't wait to get stuff taken from the productive
members of society.  They don't quite comprehend that the higher energy
prices from the environmental whacko policies he espoused with take back
anything they may have gained - plus so much more.

Has anyone heard, are Detroit and Oakland still there?

Larry Miller


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To: 'ProFox Email List' 
Sent: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:15:24 + (UTC)
Subject: RE: [OT] President Obama

You are forgetting that 40% of the 95% don't pay taxes, so you and I, and a
bunch of other people who work for a living, will be sending Joe the
non-hacking, alcoholic, crack smoking, democrat a check.

JH


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Assuming it would be possible, the 95% of the people getting his tax cut
will find it eaten up by $5 plus gas, doubled heating bills, higher
unemployment and a host of other schemes to redistribute their wealth.  The
time has come to hide or shelter as many assets as possible because the tax
man cometh.  

On top of that, if we can infer anything from the way those who disagreed
with the Obamessiah were treated... we will see efforts to stifle dissent...
which is no longer seen as a positive thing.  Good bye free speech.

Larry Miller


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To: 'ProFox Email List' 
Sent: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:49:52 + (UTC)
Subject: RE: [OT] President Obama

And it two years, there will be a mass exodus of Democrats from both houses,
after they really screw things up. I just hope we can put it back together.
Obama will put us in a dangerous position.  I hope we don't get nuked by his
associates.

John Harvey

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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:32 PM
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In a little over two months, we will start on a new path. Those who

called for the policies for that past 8 years now have to admit that  
their time has come and gone, and that they have nothing to show for  
their efforts come complete and abysmal failure. I have not doubt that  
they will continue to cling to the illusion that they have the  
slightest understanding of the world, but at least for the next two  
years we no longer have to worry about them.


-- Ed Leafe



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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread bobcalco
Man did Ed get sauced last night or what?

 Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
   In a little over two months, we will start on a new path. Those who  
 called for the policies for that past 8 years now have to admit that  
 their time has come and gone, and that they have nothing to show for  
 their efforts come complete and abysmal failure. 

I don't know, 50 million people, including women, freed from the yoke of 
tyranny and given the right to vote in free elections long denied by dictators 
and terrorists--I think that's a good achievement even if it didn't pan out for 
our narrowly national interest or political benefit.

And let's not poo poo the fact that there has been no terrorist act on our soil 
since 9/11. 

Or the fact that despite the financial collapse of the last few months -- whose 
causes are by no means easily explained by blaming George Bush, because lots of 
Democrats have their paw prints on the banking bubble , too--unemployment and 
inflation are historically low. But whatever.

Yesterday was not a night for facts. For some reason folks like Ed feel a need 
to be outrageously unkind. God bless them.

 I have not doubt that  
 they will continue to cling to the illusion that they have the  
 slightest understanding of the world, but at least for the next two  
 years we no longer have to worry about them.

Well, congratulations to Obama and his supporters. I'll pray for you, and the 
country.

We're all going to need it. Now you get to enjoy the curse of getting what you 
asked for and inflicting it on all of us. :)

- Bob
 
 
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Jean Laeremans
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:48 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Bob, do you remember i told you a few weeks ago the financial problems
would be the downfall of the republicans ? and don't be such a sour
loser ...;)


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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Larry Miller
We recognize what happened, and now have to prepare countermeasures.  The game 
goes on.

Larry Miller


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Ed,

 Wow, I thought you would realize how lame you
 sound with this crap by now.

There are a lot of people that just don't want to believe what just happened
tonight. I look forward to the massive change this election result will have
not only here but all over the world.

We needed a new President Elect Obama to show ourselves and the world that
we're DONE with the way we've been behaving recently.

I'm going to be sleeping really well tonight. Extremely well.

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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread James Roark(The Dogstar Group)
You get what you pay for - or pay for what you get.
Jim




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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Wolfe, Stephen S Civ USAF AMC 6 MDSS/SGSI wrote:
 Yep, time for me to look for a job in the civilian sector because the
 DoD now expects 'huge' force shaping to occur -- that means RIFs in
 active, civilian and services contract positions.  Anyway, I have 33
 years in so I can retire.


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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
 Ricardo,

 No Kristyne. We, the rest of the world, are not so gullible. It just
 wont do by just changing a president.

 I'm aware of that. But we have to start somewhere.

 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27542176/


My g/f is from Brazil.  She can attest to this.  Several folks in
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and saying that most were very happy with the Obama win.  She had to
remind them that it really didn't affect her since she's not (yet) an
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
 Senator John McCain made a very heart felt concession speech tonight in
 which he called for his supporters to unit behind President Elect
 Obama.  He took full responsibility for the Republican losses, but in
 all honesty, the Republicans never had a chance of electing him
 president; because, Senator McCain was going up against a perfect storm
 created over the last eight year by his own party.

 President Elect Obama gave a stirring, yet humble, victory speech in
 which he called for the country to unit with him in putting America back
 on the path envisioned by the founding fathers.

 All in all, the Democrats had a very good night, as I watched the
 election returns come in with great joy,  realizing history had been
 made and the country somehow had changed, forever.


Let's hope it's change for the better, not for the worse.





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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Ed Leafe wrote:
   In a little over two months, we will start on a new path. Those who
 called for the policies for that past 8 years now have to admit that
 their time has come and gone, and that they have nothing to show for
 their efforts come complete and abysmal failure. I have not doubt that
 they will continue to cling to the illusion that they have the
 slightest understanding of the world, but at least for the next two
 years we no longer have to worry about them.


I think you could say this from either side of the aisle after they've
won an election.  Fundamentally, both sides seems to cling to their
ideals, always accusing the other of being wrong and a failure.





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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Michael Madigan
Reduction In Force, Layoff

* 
Barack Obama is not My President

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 Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 12:03 PM
 Wolfe, Stephen S Civ USAF AMC 6 MDSS/SGSI wrote:
  Yep, time for me to look for a job in the civilian
 sector because the
  DoD now expects 'huge' force shaping to occur
 -- that means RIFs in
  active, civilian and services contract positions. 
 Anyway, I have 33
  years in so I can retire.
 
 
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Michael Madigan
Well as long as Brazil is happy.  Now I feel better.  I hope Iran and Syria are 
happy too.

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 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 12:03 PM
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  Ricardo,
 
  No Kristyne. We, the rest of the world, are not so
 gullible. It just
  wont do by just changing a president.
 
  I'm aware of that. But we have to start somewhere.
 
  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27542176/
 
 
 My g/f is from Brazil.  She can attest to this.  Several
 folks in
 Brazil, Spain, and other countries were texting her
 celebratory comments
 and saying that most were very happy with the Obama win. 
 She had to
 remind them that it really didn't affect her since
 she's not (yet) an
 American!
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Michael Madigan
Sure.  Ask yourself this.  Name another Black guy who's done a good job as 
mayor or governor and didn't finish out his term in prison.

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 Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama
 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 12:03 PM
 Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
  Senator John McCain made a very heart felt concession
 speech tonight in
  which he called for his supporters to unit behind
 President Elect
  Obama.  He took full responsibility for the Republican
 losses, but in
  all honesty, the Republicans never had a chance of
 electing him
  president; because, Senator McCain was going up
 against a perfect storm
  created over the last eight year by his own party.
 
  President Elect Obama gave a stirring, yet humble,
 victory speech in
  which he called for the country to unit with him in
 putting America back
  on the path envisioned by the founding fathers.
 
  All in all, the Democrats had a very good night, as I
 watched the
  election returns come in with great joy,  realizing
 history had been
  made and the country somehow had changed, forever.
 
 
 Let's hope it's change for the better, not for the
 worse.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Larry Miller
Hmmm... Leonidas Young in Richmond.  No, he did end up in jail.  Maybe Doug 
Wilder.

Larry Miller


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To: ProFox Email List 
Sent: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:46:34 + (UTC)
Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama

Sure.  Ask yourself this.  Name another Black guy who's done a good job as 
mayor or governor and didn't finish out his term in prison.

* 
Barack Obama is not My President

http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike


--- On Wed, 11/5/08, MB Software Solutions General Account  wrote:

 From: MB Software Solutions General Account 
 Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama
 To: ProFox Email List 
 Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 12:03 PM
 Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
  Senator John McCain made a very heart felt concession
 speech tonight in
  which he called for his supporters to unit behind
 President Elect
  Obama.  He took full responsibility for the Republican
 losses, but in
  all honesty, the Republicans never had a chance of
 electing him
  president; because, Senator McCain was going up
 against a perfect storm
  created over the last eight year by his own party.
 
  President Elect Obama gave a stirring, yet humble,
 victory speech in
  which he called for the country to unit with him in
 putting America back
  on the path envisioned by the founding fathers.
 
  All in all, the Democrats had a very good night, as I
 watched the
  election returns come in with great joy,  realizing
 history had been
  made and the country somehow had changed, forever.
 
 
 Let's hope it's change for the better, not for the
 worse.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Michael Madigan
Did Doug Wilder do a good job?   Looks like his biggest achievement was 
pardoning Allen Iverson. LOL

I bet you can see a lot of Black criminals and domestic terrorists being 
pardoned by Obama.  Sirhan Sirhan has got to be excited.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Douglas_Wilder

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--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Larry Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
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 Hmmm... Leonidas Young in Richmond.  No, he did end up in
 jail.  Maybe Doug Wilder.
 
 Larry Miller
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Michael Madigan 
 To: ProFox Email List 
 Sent: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:46:34 + (UTC)
 Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama
 
 Sure.  Ask yourself this.  Name another Black guy who's
 done a good job as mayor or governor and didn't finish
 out his term in prison.
 
 * 
 Barack Obama is not My President
 
 http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike
 
 
 --- On Wed, 11/5/08, MB Software Solutions General Account 
 wrote:
 
  From: MB Software Solutions General Account 
  Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama
  To: ProFox Email List 
  Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 12:03 PM
  Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
   Senator John McCain made a very heart felt
 concession
  speech tonight in
   which he called for his supporters to unit behind
  President Elect
   Obama.  He took full responsibility for the
 Republican
  losses, but in
   all honesty, the Republicans never had a chance
 of
  electing him
   president; because, Senator McCain was going up
  against a perfect storm
   created over the last eight year by his own
 party.
  
   President Elect Obama gave a stirring, yet
 humble,
  victory speech in
   which he called for the country to unit with him
 in
  putting America back
   on the path envisioned by the founding fathers.
  
   All in all, the Democrats had a very good night,
 as I
  watched the
   election returns come in with great joy, 
 realizing
  history had been
   made and the country somehow had changed,
 forever.
  
  
  Let's hope it's change for the better, not for
 the
  worse.
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread bobcalco

 MB Software Solutions General Account [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Ed Leafe wrote:
  In a little over two months, we will start on a new path. Those who
  called for the policies for that past 8 years now have to admit that
  their time has come and gone, and that they have nothing to show for
  their efforts come complete and abysmal failure. I have not doubt that
  they will continue to cling to the illusion that they have the
  slightest understanding of the world, but at least for the next two
  years we no longer have to worry about them.
 
 
 I think you could say this from either side of the aisle after they've
 won an election.  Fundamentally, both sides seems to cling to their
 ideals, always accusing the other of being wrong and a failure.
 

H.L. Mencken said it best, (paraphrasing): 

The two parties are ever engaged in a great battle to show the other one unfit 
to rule. Both commonly succeed, and are right.

- Bob

 
 
 
 
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Michael Madigan wrote:
 Did Doug Wilder do a good job?   Looks like his biggest achievement was
pardoning Allen Iverson. LOL


I'd love to see Iverson explained.  That guy seems like a freakin' nut.

  I'm not a fan of basketball but even I hated the guy from my time in
Philly.  My hatred came from him telling the coach that when someone was
as good as him, he didn't have to practice and that the rest of the team
needed the practice instead.  What a pathetic poor excuse of a team
player.  Wonderfully talented individual for bball, but still a LOSER in
my eyes!





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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread bobcalco

 Jean Laeremans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:48 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Bob, do you remember i told you a few weeks ago the financial problems
 would be the downfall of the republicans ? and don't be such a sour
 loser ...;)

No great gift of prevision was required to see that Republicans would take the 
blame. It is however grossly unfair that the very people who in Congress who 3 
years ago were actively ignoring and covering up the ticking time bomb got 
rewarded last night because they were fortuitous enough to have it blow up on a 
Republican president's watch.

Where Bush has gone completely and unforgivably wrong is in his handling of the 
federal budget and in his inability to articulate a positive sustaining vision 
during the tough times. It's like he tuned out completely after Katrina and the 
botched Meyers nomination, and other than leading on the surge he was just 
trying to coast his last couple years into the sunset. And he has paid dearly 
for it, as have those of us who supported him in thick and thin, and so be it.

Also, I'm not a loser, sour or otherwise. :)

Contrary to your belief perhaps, I have never invested the essence of my 
identity or being in a politician or party, so when they go down in flames for 
whatever reasons, just or unjust or both, all I can do is keep on doing what I 
do well and wish the best for everyone.

Every fiber of my being at the moment is alarmed like never before by the cult 
of personality around Obama and the enormous question marks over his actual 
worldview, versus his lofty campaign rhetoric, as juxtaposed against his 
already proven dishonesty (FISA, public financing, taking shady donations with 
impunity, etc.). 

These question marks are now exclamation marks, considering the nation and the 
world has put their whole hope and faith in a 44 year old unknown with a slick 
money machine and a cast of controversial characters behind him. I can only 
hope the office changes the man for the better, instead of feeding on his 
seemingly boundless narcissism and sense of entitlement, which got an enormous 
validation yesterday that can boost him to heights of greatness, or depths of 
corruption.

We'll see soon enough.

- Bob


 
 
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Michael Madigan wrote:
 Sure.  Ask yourself this.  Name another Black guy who's done a good job
as mayor or governor and didn't finish out his term in prison.


Deja vu?  I thought we talked about this in the past.  There's plenty of
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Michael Madigan wrote:
 Well as long as Brazil is happy.  Now I feel better.  I hope Iran and
Syria are happy too.


Well, if I date one of them, I'll let you know.  Some of those women are
pretty hot too.  g  They're not all bad peopleevery nation has
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Michael Madigan
Iverson is to Basketball as Obama is to the Presidency.

The only difference between the two is that Iverson has tattoos.

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  Did Doug Wilder do a good job?   Looks like his
 biggest achievement was
 pardoning Allen Iverson. LOL
 
 
 I'd love to see Iverson explained.  That guy seems like
 a freakin' nut.
 
   I'm not a fan of basketball but even I hated the guy
 from my time in
 Philly.  My hatred came from him telling the coach that
 when someone was
 as good as him, he didn't have to practice and that the
 rest of the team
 needed the practice instead.  What a pathetic poor excuse
 of a team
 player.  Wonderfully talented individual for bball, but
 still a LOSER in
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Michael Madigan
You're right.

Some white mayors are criminals

All Black mayors are criminals.

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  Sure.  Ask yourself this.  Name another Black guy
 who's done a good job
 as mayor or governor and didn't finish out his term in
 prison.
 
 
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Michael Oke, II
As usual, Ed jumps the gun slightly with his Subject line.  Obama is 
President-elect and won't be the President for a couple of months yet.

::michael

Ed Leafe wrote:
   In a little over two months, we will start on a new path. Those who  
 called for the policies for that past 8 years now have to admit that  
 their time has come and gone, and that they have nothing to show for  
 their efforts come complete and abysmal failure. I have not doubt that  
 they will continue to cling to the illusion that they have the  
 slightest understanding of the world, but at least for the next two  
 years we no longer have to worry about them.
 
 
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Michael Madigan
Maybe you can wear a Obama mask in bed and screw her like he's screwing the 
country. LOL

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  Well as long as Brazil is happy.  Now I feel better. 
 I hope Iran and
 Syria are happy too.
 
 
 Well, if I date one of them, I'll let you know.  Some
 of those women are
 pretty hot too.  g  They're not all bad
 peopleevery nation has
 good and bad people.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Michael Madigan
And if the Birth Certificate lawsuit gets traction, he'll never take office.

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 As usual, Ed jumps the gun slightly with his Subject line. 
 Obama is 
 President-elect and won't be the President for a couple
 of months yet.
 
 ::michael
 
 Ed Leafe wrote:
  In a little over two months, we will start on a new
 path. Those who  
  called for the policies for that past 8 years now have
 to admit that  
  their time has come and gone, and that they have
 nothing to show for  
  their efforts come complete and abysmal failure. I
 have not doubt that  
  they will continue to cling to the illusion that they
 have the  
  slightest understanding of the world, but at least for
 the next two  
  years we no longer have to worry about them.
  
  
  -- Ed Leafe
  
  
  
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Ed Leafe
On Nov 5, 2008, at 11:55 AM, Michael Oke, II wrote:

 As usual, Ed jumps the gun slightly with his Subject line.  Obama is
 President-elect and won't be the President for a couple of months yet.

 ::michael

 Ed Leafe wrote:
  In a little over two months, we will start on a new path.

Gee, I guess you missed the In a little over two months part of the  
message. The subject is indeed accurate, as my post was a reflection  
on the upcoming change to our country under President Obama.

The rest of that post deals with those bitter folk who cling to their  
desperation by doing things like making pedantic remarks without  
reading an entire post and investing a modicum of thought before  
firing off their reply.


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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Michael Oke, II
I did not miss what was in the body of your message nonetheless, your 
subject was incorrect but understandable.  I must have spoken to a dozen 
people who think that Obama took over the office as of today.  They 
don't seem to understand how the presidential process works.  Big 
surprise there.  These are the same people who think that they have been 
promised that their mortgage and fuel bills will be taken care of by 
Obama himself.

::michael

Ed Leafe wrote:
 On Nov 5, 2008, at 11:55 AM, Michael Oke, II wrote:
 
 As usual, Ed jumps the gun slightly with his Subject line.  Obama is
 President-elect and won't be the President for a couple of months yet.

 ::michael

 Ed Leafe wrote:
 In a little over two months, we will start on a new path.
 
   Gee, I guess you missed the In a little over two months part of the  
 message. The subject is indeed accurate, as my post was a reflection  
 on the upcoming change to our country under President Obama.
 
   The rest of that post deals with those bitter folk who cling to their  
 desperation by doing things like making pedantic remarks without  
 reading an entire post and investing a modicum of thought before  
 firing off their reply.
 
 
 -- Ed Leafe
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Ed Leafe
On Nov 5, 2008, at 12:22 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote:

 I did not miss what was in the body of your message nonetheless, your
 subject was incorrect but understandable.  I must have spoken to a  
 dozen
 people who think that Obama took over the office as of today.  They
 don't seem to understand how the presidential process works.  Big
 surprise there.  These are the same people who think that they have  
 been
 promised that their mortgage and fuel bills will be taken care of by
 Obama himself.


Ah, I see. I get to be painted with the same brush as these comical  
characters you describe.

My comment on pedantic remarks seems even more apt after that reply.


-- Ed Leafe





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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Larry Miller
And the painting even more deserved.   ;-)

Larry Miller


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Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama

On Nov 5, 2008, at 12:22 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote:

 I did not miss what was in the body of your message nonetheless, your
 subject was incorrect but understandable.  I must have spoken to a  
 dozen
 people who think that Obama took over the office as of today.  They
 don't seem to understand how the presidential process works.  Big
 surprise there.  These are the same people who think that they have  
 been
 promised that their mortgage and fuel bills will be taken care of by
 Obama himself.


Ah, I see. I get to be painted with the same brush as these comical  
characters you describe.

My comment on pedantic remarks seems even more apt after that reply.


-- Ed Leafe









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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Michael Oke, II
Hardly have I painted you with the same brush but feel free to claim 
whatever you feel like doing.


::michael



Ed Leafe wrote:
 On Nov 5, 2008, at 12:22 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote:
 
 I did not miss what was in the body of your message nonetheless, your
 subject was incorrect but understandable.  I must have spoken to a  
 dozen
 people who think that Obama took over the office as of today.  They
 don't seem to understand how the presidential process works.  Big
 surprise there.  These are the same people who think that they have  
 been
 promised that their mortgage and fuel bills will be taken care of by
 Obama himself.
 
 
   Ah, I see. I get to be painted with the same brush as these comical  
 characters you describe.
 
   My comment on pedantic remarks seems even more apt after that reply.
 
 
 -- Ed Leafe
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Larry Miller
Actually the current governor, Tim Kaine, who is not black has pardoned about 
1700 convicted felons of the last year or so... restoring their right to vote.  
One of the problems with this is that before some of them could vote for the 
the Obamessiah, they were arrested and convicted again.  Bummer!

Larry Miller


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Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama

Did Doug Wilder do a good job?   Looks like his biggest achievement was 
pardoning Allen Iverson. LOL

I bet you can see a lot of Black criminals and domestic terrorists being 
pardoned by Obama.  Sirhan Sirhan has got to be excited.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Douglas_Wilder

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 Hmmm... Leonidas Young in Richmond.  No, he did end up in
 jail.  Maybe Doug Wilder.
 
 Larry Miller
 
 
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 To: ProFox Email List 
 Sent: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:46:34 + (UTC)
 Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama
 
 Sure.  Ask yourself this.  Name another Black guy who's
 done a good job as mayor or governor and didn't finish
 out his term in prison.
 
 * 
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 wrote:
 
  From: MB Software Solutions General Account 
  Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama
  To: ProFox Email List 
  Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 12:03 PM
  Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
   Senator John McCain made a very heart felt
 concession
  speech tonight in
   which he called for his supporters to unit behind
  President Elect
   Obama.  He took full responsibility for the
 Republican
  losses, but in
   all honesty, the Republicans never had a chance
 of
  electing him
   president; because, Senator McCain was going up
  against a perfect storm
   created over the last eight year by his own
 party.
  
   President Elect Obama gave a stirring, yet
 humble,
  victory speech in
   which he called for the country to unit with him
 in
  putting America back
   on the path envisioned by the founding fathers.
  
   All in all, the Democrats had a very good night,
 as I
  watched the
   election returns come in with great joy, 
 realizing
  history had been
   made and the country somehow had changed,
 forever.
  
  
  Let's hope it's change for the better, not for
 the
  worse.
  
  
  
  
  
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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Kristyne McDaniel
Ed,

 investing a modicum of thought

That is a huge lesson we can all learn from the Obama campaign, to invest
thought prior to taking action. The Obama campaign has been the most
deliberate, dedicated, and hard working campaign I've ever seen. When the
analysis is done on the number of calls made, rallies scheduled, and obvious
dedication of the staff and volunteers, it will be obvious that one of the
biggest reasons for the win is that the Obama folks simply out-worked the
McCain folks on every measure.

I am absorbing that into my own psyche. Far more than luck or being right,
planning and diligent hard work produces the best result.

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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Michael Madigan
Yeah it had nothing to do with that $600,000,000 they had to work with, 
$200,000,000 in untraceable dollars from overseas.

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 Ed,
 
  investing a modicum of thought
 
 That is a huge lesson we can all learn from the Obama
 campaign, to invest
 thought prior to taking action. The Obama campaign has been
 the most
 deliberate, dedicated, and hard working campaign I've
 ever seen. When the
 analysis is done on the number of calls made, rallies
 scheduled, and obvious
 dedication of the staff and volunteers, it will be obvious
 that one of the
 biggest reasons for the win is that the Obama folks simply
 out-worked the
 McCain folks on every measure.
 
 I am absorbing that into my own psyche. Far more than luck
 or being right,
 planning and diligent hard work produces the best result.
 
 Kristyne McDaniel
 http://www.kristynemcdaniel.com/blog
 http://www.emryldadvantage.com/
 http://www.mcstyles.com/
  
 Whether you think you can, or you think you can't
 you are right.
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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Kristyne McDaniel
Madigan,

 Yeah it had nothing to do with that $600,000,000 they
 had to work with, $200,000,000 in untraceable dollars
 from overseas.

Given that their hard work raised that money, I go back to my previous
comment.

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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Michael Madigan
Illegal work.  They took disposal credit cards and cards from overseas.

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 Madigan,
 
  Yeah it had nothing to do with that $600,000,000 they
  had to work with, $200,000,000 in untraceable dollars
  from overseas.
 
 Given that their hard work raised that money, I go back to
 my previous
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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Wolfe, Stephen S Civ USAF AMC 6 MDSS/SGSI
Reduction In Force

v/r
 

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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Larry Miller wrote:
 Actually the current governor, Tim Kaine, who is not black has pardoned
about 1700 convicted felons of the last year or so... restoring their
right to vote.  One of the problems with this is that before some of
them could vote for the the Obamessiah, they were arrested and convicted
again.  Bummer!


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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Ricardo Araoz
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
 Ricardo,
 
 No Kristyne. We, the rest of the world, are not so gullible. It just
 wont do by just changing a president.
 
 I'm aware of that. But we have to start somewhere.
 

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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Ricardo Araoz
John wrote:
 Oh, I guess you didn't hear Joe (foot in mouth, walking gaff machine).
 
 John Harvey
 


I'm completely lost here. Maybe cultural difference. Who the hell is
Joe? Joe Hill ('member him)?


 
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 John wrote:
 How long before we get attacked? I'm saying within 6 months, and the
 response won't seem correct. I think it will probably be we need to show
 restraint.

 
 Who is 'we'? Are you israeli? I thought you were US'arian (pun intended).
 
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Ricardo Araoz
Ed Leafe wrote:
 On Nov 5, 2008, at 11:55 AM, Michael Oke, II wrote:
 
 As usual, Ed jumps the gun slightly with his Subject line.  Obama is
 President-elect and won't be the President for a couple of months yet.

 ::michael

 Ed Leafe wrote:
 In a little over two months, we will start on a new path.
 
   Gee, I guess you missed the In a little over two months part of the  
 message. 

Yes, but that is YOUR fault Ed.
He is not responsible for his own reading abilities as Reps are not
responsible for what went on in their years and years of ruling (it's
the Dems who didn't shout strongly enough who are to blame).


 The subject is indeed accurate, as my post was a reflection  
 on the upcoming change to our country under President Obama.
 
   The rest of that post deals with those bitter folk who cling to their  
 desperation by doing things like making pedantic remarks without  
 reading an entire post and investing a modicum of thought before  
 firing off their reply.
 
 


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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Michael Oke, II
I must have missed the part where I blamed anyone, republican or democrat.

::michael

Ricardo Araoz wrote:
 Yes, but that is YOUR fault Ed.
 He is not responsible for his own reading abilities as Reps are not
 responsible for what went on in their years and years of ruling (it's
 the Dems who didn't shout strongly enough who are to blame).
 



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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Larry Miller
No he can't.  In VA a gov cannot succeed himself.  However, if you look at the 
D constituency,  this is not a negative.  They have the felon vote all tied up.

Larry Miller


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 Actually the current governor, Tim Kaine, who is not black has pardoned
about 1700 convicted felons of the last year or so... restoring their
right to vote.  One of the problems with this is that before some of
them could vote for the the Obamessiah, they were arrested and convicted
again.  Bummer!


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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Pete Theisen
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
 Madigan,
 
 Yeah it had nothing to do with that $600,000,000 they
 had to work with, $200,000,000 in untraceable dollars
 from overseas.
 
 Given that their hard work raised that money, I go back to my previous
 comment.

Hi Kristyne!

Really, really hard to raise a bribe. Most of the untraceable money 
came from one or two people, or a consortium of connected people who 
formed a special interest. Eventually we will know why, perhaps even who.
-- 
Regards,

Pete
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread David McKay
Larry,
Do you have a source for your claim of 1700 felons pardoned by Kaine? 
Haven't heard anything about it here in the Shenandoah Valley, and the folks 
here have little love for the Gov.
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Larry Miller
I live just outside Richmond, it's been on the news around here.  I'm sure if 
you will check the Times-Dispatch archives you will see articles referencing... 
also, you could call RPV for the details.

Larry Miller


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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-04 Thread Michael Madigan
Obama could be indicted in the Tony Rezko affair and still hasn't proven his 
citizenship.  

He's still not president yet.


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 In a little over two months, we will start on a new path.
 Those who  
 called for the policies for that past 8 years now have to
 admit that  
 their time has come and gone, and that they have nothing to
 show for  
 their efforts come complete and abysmal failure. I have not
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 slightest understanding of the world, but at least for the
 next two  
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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-04 Thread John
And it two years, there will be a mass exodus of Democrats from both houses,
after they really screw things up. I just hope we can put it back together.
Obama will put us in a dangerous position.  I hope we don't get nuked by his
associates.

John Harvey

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In a little over two months, we will start on a new path. Those who

called for the policies for that past 8 years now have to admit that  
their time has come and gone, and that they have nothing to show for  
their efforts come complete and abysmal failure. I have not doubt that  
they will continue to cling to the illusion that they have the  
slightest understanding of the world, but at least for the next two  
years we no longer have to worry about them.


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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-04 Thread Michael Madigan
Kiss Israel goodbye.



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--- On Tue, 11/4/08, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 And it two years, there will be a mass exodus of Democrats
 from both houses,
 after they really screw things up. I just hope we can put
 it back together.
 Obama will put us in a dangerous position.  I hope we
 don't get nuked by his
 associates.
 
 John Harvey
 
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   In a little over two months, we will start on a new path.
 Those who
 
 called for the policies for that past 8 years now have to
 admit that  
 their time has come and gone, and that they have nothing to
 show for  
 their efforts come complete and abysmal failure. I have not
 doubt that  
 they will continue to cling to the illusion that they have
 the  
 slightest understanding of the world, but at least for the
 next two  
 years we no longer have to worry about them.
 
 
 -- Ed Leafe
 
 
 
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-04 Thread Ed Leafe
On Nov 4, 2008, at 9:49 PM, John wrote:

 And it two years, there will be a mass exodus of Democrats from both  
 houses,
 after they really screw things up. I just hope we can put it back  
 together.
 Obama will put us in a dangerous position.  I hope we don't get  
 nuked by his
 associates.

I'm so glad this stuff is archived. All your droolings about the Bush  
presidency are there for others to review and gauge your wisdom.

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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-04 Thread Michael Madigan
This coming from a guy who said we lost Iraq? LOL

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 On Nov 4, 2008, at 9:49 PM, John wrote:
 
  And it two years, there will be a mass exodus of
 Democrats from both  
  houses,
  after they really screw things up. I just hope we can
 put it back  
  together.
  Obama will put us in a dangerous position.  I hope we
 don't get  
  nuked by his
  associates.
 
   I'm so glad this stuff is archived. All your droolings
 about the Bush  
 presidency are there for others to review and gauge your
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 -- Ed Leafe
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-04 Thread John
Yep, and it will be there for your Marxist president too!

John Harvey


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On Nov 4, 2008, at 9:49 PM, John wrote:

 And it two years, there will be a mass exodus of Democrats from both  
 houses,
 after they really screw things up. I just hope we can put it back  
 together.
 Obama will put us in a dangerous position.  I hope we don't get  
 nuked by his
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I'm so glad this stuff is archived. All your droolings about the
Bush  
presidency are there for others to review and gauge your wisdom.

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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-04 Thread Michael Madigan
It's midnight in America.

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 Yep, and it will be there for your Marxist president too!
 
 John Harvey
 
 
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 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] President Obama
 
 On Nov 4, 2008, at 9:49 PM, John wrote:
 
  And it two years, there will be a mass exodus of
 Democrats from both  
  houses,
  after they really screw things up. I just hope we can
 put it back  
  together.
  Obama will put us in a dangerous position.  I hope we
 don't get  
  nuked by his
  associates.
 
   I'm so glad this stuff is archived. All your droolings
 about the
 Bush  
 presidency are there for others to review and gauge your
 wisdom.
 
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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-04 Thread John
How long before we get attacked? I'm saying within 6 months, and the
response won't seem correct. I think it will probably be we need to show
restraint.

John Harvey


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Kiss Israel goodbye.



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--- On Tue, 11/4/08, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 Subject: RE: [OT] President Obama
 To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
 Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 10:49 PM
 And it two years, there will be a mass exodus of Democrats
 from both houses,
 after they really screw things up. I just hope we can put
 it back together.
 Obama will put us in a dangerous position.  I hope we
 don't get nuked by his
 associates.
 
 John Harvey
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Ed Leafe
 Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:32 PM
 To: ProFox Mailing List
 Subject: [OT] President Obama
 
   In a little over two months, we will start on a new path.
 Those who
 
 called for the policies for that past 8 years now have to
 admit that  
 their time has come and gone, and that they have nothing to
 show for  
 their efforts come complete and abysmal failure. I have not
 doubt that  
 they will continue to cling to the illusion that they have
 the  
 slightest understanding of the world, but at least for the
 next two  
 years we no longer have to worry about them.
 
 
 -- Ed Leafe
 
 
 
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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-04 Thread Kristyne McDaniel
Ed,

I am absolutely inspired by the organizational skills demonstrated by the
Obama campaign. I've never seen a candidate that was so deliberate and so
thorough.

No candidate has deserved his win more in my lifetime.

Kristyne McDaniel
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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-04 Thread Michael Madigan
He'll be very efficient in rounding up his enemies and sticking them in ovens.

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 Ed,
 
 I am absolutely inspired by the organizational skills
 demonstrated by the
 Obama campaign. I've never seen a candidate that was so
 deliberate and so
 thorough.
 
 No candidate has deserved his win more in my lifetime.
 
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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-04 Thread Larry Miller
Assuming it would be possible, the 95% of the people getting his tax cut will 
find it eaten up by $5 plus gas, doubled heating bills, higher unemployment and 
a host of other schemes to redistribute their wealth.  The time has come to 
hide or shelter as many assets as possible because the tax man cometh.  

On top of that, if we can infer anything from the way those who disagreed with 
the Obamessiah were treated... we will see efforts to stifle dissent... which 
is no longer seen as a positive thing.  Good bye free speech.

Larry Miller


- Original Message -
From: John 
To: 'ProFox Email List' 
Sent: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:49:52 + (UTC)
Subject: RE: [OT] President Obama

And it two years, there will be a mass exodus of Democrats from both houses,
after they really screw things up. I just hope we can put it back together.
Obama will put us in a dangerous position.  I hope we don't get nuked by his
associates.

John Harvey

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Ed Leafe
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:32 PM
To: ProFox Mailing List
Subject: [OT] President Obama

In a little over two months, we will start on a new path. Those who

called for the policies for that past 8 years now have to admit that  
their time has come and gone, and that they have nothing to show for  
their efforts come complete and abysmal failure. I have not doubt that  
they will continue to cling to the illusion that they have the  
slightest understanding of the world, but at least for the next two  
years we no longer have to worry about them.


-- Ed Leafe



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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-04 Thread John
You are forgetting that 40% of the 95% don't pay taxes, so you and I, and a
bunch of other people who work for a living, will be sending Joe the
non-hacking, alcoholic, crack smoking, democrat a check.

JH


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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:13 PM
To: ProFox Email List
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Assuming it would be possible, the 95% of the people getting his tax cut
will find it eaten up by $5 plus gas, doubled heating bills, higher
unemployment and a host of other schemes to redistribute their wealth.  The
time has come to hide or shelter as many assets as possible because the tax
man cometh.  

On top of that, if we can infer anything from the way those who disagreed
with the Obamessiah were treated... we will see efforts to stifle dissent...
which is no longer seen as a positive thing.  Good bye free speech.

Larry Miller


- Original Message -
From: John 
To: 'ProFox Email List' 
Sent: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:49:52 + (UTC)
Subject: RE: [OT] President Obama

And it two years, there will be a mass exodus of Democrats from both houses,
after they really screw things up. I just hope we can put it back together.
Obama will put us in a dangerous position.  I hope we don't get nuked by his
associates.

John Harvey

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Ed Leafe
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:32 PM
To: ProFox Mailing List
Subject: [OT] President Obama

In a little over two months, we will start on a new path. Those who

called for the policies for that past 8 years now have to admit that  
their time has come and gone, and that they have nothing to show for  
their efforts come complete and abysmal failure. I have not doubt that  
they will continue to cling to the illusion that they have the  
slightest understanding of the world, but at least for the next two  
years we no longer have to worry about them.


-- Ed Leafe



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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-04 Thread Michael Madigan
Yes.  Tomorrow it will be announced that no famly earning over $15,000 a year 
will see their taxes go up.

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--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Larry Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Larry Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [OT] President Obama
 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 12:13 AM
 Assuming it would be possible, the 95% of the people getting
 his tax cut will find it eaten up by $5 plus
 gas, doubled heating bills, higher unemployment and a host
 of other schemes to redistribute their wealth.  The time has
 come to hide or shelter as many assets as possible because
 the tax man cometh.  
 
 On top of that, if we can infer anything from the way those
 who disagreed with the Obamessiah were treated... we will
 see efforts to stifle dissent... which is no longer seen as
 a positive thing.  Good bye free speech.
 
 Larry Miller
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: John 
 To: 'ProFox Email List' 
 Sent: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:49:52 + (UTC)
 Subject: RE: [OT] President Obama
 
 And it two years, there will be a mass exodus of Democrats
 from both houses,
 after they really screw things up. I just hope we can put
 it back together.
 Obama will put us in a dangerous position.  I hope we
 don't get nuked by his
 associates.
 
 John Harvey
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Ed Leafe
 Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:32 PM
 To: ProFox Mailing List
 Subject: [OT] President Obama
 
 In a little over two months, we will start on a new
 path. Those who
 
 called for the policies for that past 8 years now have to
 admit that  
 their time has come and gone, and that they have nothing to
 show for  
 their efforts come complete and abysmal failure. I have not
 doubt that  
 they will continue to cling to the illusion that they have
 the  
 slightest understanding of the world, but at least for the
 next two  
 years we no longer have to worry about them.
 
 
 -- Ed Leafe
 
 
 
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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-04 Thread Michael Madigan
Barack the bathroom attendant will be sending a check to joe the panhandler and 
it will be addressed to his park bench.

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--- On Wed, 11/5/08, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [OT] President Obama
 To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
 Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 12:15 AM
 You are forgetting that 40% of the 95% don't pay taxes,
 so you and I, and a
 bunch of other people who work for a living, will be
 sending Joe the
 non-hacking, alcoholic, crack smoking, democrat a check.
 
 JH
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Larry Miller
 Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:13 PM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: RE: [OT] President Obama
 
 Assuming it would be possible, the 95% of the people
 getting his tax cut
 will find it eaten up by $5 plus gas, doubled heating
 bills, higher
 unemployment and a host of other schemes to redistribute
 their wealth.  The
 time has come to hide or shelter as many assets as possible
 because the tax
 man cometh.  
 
 On top of that, if we can infer anything from the way those
 who disagreed
 with the Obamessiah were treated... we will see efforts to
 stifle dissent...
 which is no longer seen as a positive thing.  Good bye free
 speech.
 
 Larry Miller
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: John 
 To: 'ProFox Email List' 
 Sent: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:49:52 + (UTC)
 Subject: RE: [OT] President Obama
 
 And it two years, there will be a mass exodus of Democrats
 from both houses,
 after they really screw things up. I just hope we can put
 it back together.
 Obama will put us in a dangerous position.  I hope we
 don't get nuked by his
 associates.
 
 John Harvey
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Ed Leafe
 Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:32 PM
 To: ProFox Mailing List
 Subject: [OT] President Obama
 
 In a little over two months, we will start on a new
 path. Those who
 
 called for the policies for that past 8 years now have to
 admit that  
 their time has come and gone, and that they have nothing to
 show for  
 their efforts come complete and abysmal failure. I have not
 doubt that  
 they will continue to cling to the illusion that they have
 the  
 slightest understanding of the world, but at least for the
 next two  
 years we no longer have to worry about them.
 
 
 -- Ed Leafe
 
 
 
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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-04 Thread John
I guess we need to start thinking about Nobama's cabinet.

Rev Wright for what?
William Ayers - head of CIA?
Father Pfulge - secretary of state?
Traitor, er, Colin Powell - ambassador to france?
Tony Rezko secretary of housing?


John Harvey


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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:17 PM
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Yes.  Tomorrow it will be announced that no famly earning over $15,000 a
year will see their taxes go up.

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--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Larry Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Larry Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [OT] President Obama
 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 12:13 AM
 Assuming it would be possible, the 95% of the people getting
 his tax cut will find it eaten up by $5 plus
 gas, doubled heating bills, higher unemployment and a host
 of other schemes to redistribute their wealth.  The time has
 come to hide or shelter as many assets as possible because
 the tax man cometh.  
 
 On top of that, if we can infer anything from the way those
 who disagreed with the Obamessiah were treated... we will
 see efforts to stifle dissent... which is no longer seen as
 a positive thing.  Good bye free speech.
 
 Larry Miller
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: John 
 To: 'ProFox Email List' 
 Sent: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:49:52 + (UTC)
 Subject: RE: [OT] President Obama
 
 And it two years, there will be a mass exodus of Democrats
 from both houses,
 after they really screw things up. I just hope we can put
 it back together.
 Obama will put us in a dangerous position.  I hope we
 don't get nuked by his
 associates.
 
 John Harvey
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Ed Leafe
 Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:32 PM
 To: ProFox Mailing List
 Subject: [OT] President Obama
 
 In a little over two months, we will start on a new
 path. Those who
 
 called for the policies for that past 8 years now have to
 admit that  
 their time has come and gone, and that they have nothing to
 show for  
 their efforts come complete and abysmal failure. I have not
 doubt that  
 they will continue to cling to the illusion that they have
 the  
 slightest understanding of the world, but at least for the
 next two  
 years we no longer have to worry about them.
 
 
 -- Ed Leafe
 
 
 
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RE: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-04 Thread Michael Madigan
Ted Kennedy - Secretary of Swimming

Maxine Waters - Secretary of Angry Black Women

John Conyers - Secretary of Nose hair

Henry Waxman - Secretary of Nostrils

John Kerry - Secretary of Botox

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--- On Wed, 11/5/08, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 Subject: RE: [OT] President Obama
 To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
 Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 12:20 AM
 I guess we need to start thinking about Nobama's
 cabinet.
 
 Rev Wright for what?
 William Ayers - head of CIA?
 Father Pfulge - secretary of state?
 Traitor, er, Colin Powell - ambassador to france?
 Tony Rezko secretary of housing?
 
 
 John Harvey
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Michael Madigan
 Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:17 PM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: RE: [OT] President Obama
 
 Yes.  Tomorrow it will be announced that no famly earning
 over $15,000 a
 year will see their taxes go up.
 
 * 
 Barack Obama Antichrist gear
 
 http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike
 
 
 --- On Wed, 11/5/08, Larry Miller
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  From: Larry Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: [OT] President Obama
  To: ProFox Email List
 profox@leafe.com
  Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 12:13 AM
  Assuming it would be possible, the 95% of the people
 getting
  his tax cut will find it eaten up by $5
 plus
  gas, doubled heating bills, higher unemployment and a
 host
  of other schemes to redistribute their wealth.  The
 time has
  come to hide or shelter as many assets as possible
 because
  the tax man cometh.  
  
  On top of that, if we can infer anything from the way
 those
  who disagreed with the Obamessiah were treated... we
 will
  see efforts to stifle dissent... which is no longer
 seen as
  a positive thing.  Good bye free speech.
  
  Larry Miller
  
  
  - Original Message -
  From: John 
  To: 'ProFox Email List' 
  Sent: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:49:52 + (UTC)
  Subject: RE: [OT] President Obama
  
  And it two years, there will be a mass exodus of
 Democrats
  from both houses,
  after they really screw things up. I just hope we can
 put
  it back together.
  Obama will put us in a dangerous position.  I hope we
  don't get nuked by his
  associates.
  
  John Harvey
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
  Of Ed Leafe
  Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:32 PM
  To: ProFox Mailing List
  Subject: [OT] President Obama
  
  In a little over two months, we will start on a
 new
  path. Those who
  
  called for the policies for that past 8 years now have
 to
  admit that  
  their time has come and gone, and that they have
 nothing to
  show for  
  their efforts come complete and abysmal failure. I
 have not
  doubt that  
  they will continue to cling to the illusion that they
 have
  the  
  slightest understanding of the world, but at least for
 the
  next two  
  years we no longer have to worry about them.
  
  
  -- Ed Leafe
  
  
  
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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-04 Thread Ed Leafe
On Nov 4, 2008, at 11:20 PM, John wrote:

 I guess we need to start thinking about Nobama's cabinet.

 Rev Wright for what?
 William Ayers - head of CIA?
 Father Pfulge - secretary of state?
 Traitor, er, Colin Powell - ambassador to france?
 Tony Rezko secretary of housing?

Wow, I thought you would realize how lame you sound with this crap by  
now.

You had your chance. Your unwavering, unquestioning support of  GWB  
showed the depth and value of your wisdom. Time for you to step aside  
with your hate and let the people who want to make things better get  
things done. There's no way they can fuck it up any worse than your  
choice has done.

-- Ed Leafe





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Re: [OT] President Obama

2008-11-04 Thread Michael Oke, II
Do you really believe that there is NO WAY?  Or is it that you believe 
that they can't?  I hope and pray that you are right but seriously doubt 
that that will be the case.

::michael

Ed Leafe wrote:
 On Nov 4, 2008, at 11:20 PM, John wrote:
 
 I guess we need to start thinking about Nobama's cabinet.

 Rev Wright for what?
 William Ayers - head of CIA?
 Father Pfulge - secretary of state?
 Traitor, er, Colin Powell - ambassador to france?
 Tony Rezko secretary of housing?
 
   Wow, I thought you would realize how lame you sound with this crap by  
 now.
 
   You had your chance. Your unwavering, unquestioning support of  GWB  
 showed the depth and value of your wisdom. Time for you to step aside  
 with your hate and let the people who want to make things better get  
 things done. There's no way they can fuck it up any worse than your  
 choice has done.
 
 -- Ed Leafe
 
 
 
 
 
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