Re: [PEDA] Antwort: Protel Crashes
Hi, there is a small program called CTSPD (ftp://ftp.heise.de/pub/ct/ctsi/ctspd092.zip) that does conformity and plausibility checks on the EEPROM contents of SDRAM modules. If a module fails this check, it does not necessarily mean that it is not working properly, but that the EEPROM data analyzed by the BIOS are not as expected. You have this effect frequently with cheap no-name modules. This may lead to non-suitable SDRAM controller initialisation by the BIOS. Nice little program. Disadvantage for most of you: only German language, but delf-explaining. I had this program check SDRAM modules on Compaq Presario computers. The result was: Error, error, error, .. They seem to implement the cheapest stuff available on the market into their computers. I had a Presario PIII 500 until spring this year. Nothin but trouble. Regards, Gisbert Auge Bob Jones Digitized@maAn: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.com Kopie: Thema: Re: [PEDA] Protel Crashes 27.11.2001 21:03 Bitte antworten an Protel EDA Forum I too use a Compaq, although not the same as yours, and get maybe 2-5 lock-ups per week. I don't think they are Protel (Altium, whatever) related. I think they may be memory leaks or hardware related. Today, as a matter of fact I've downloaded a program called Memokit from MacAfee, suppose to improve memory leaks and memory performance and all that good stuff. I'll try to keep you posted. - Original Message - From: Jeff Adolphs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 3:19 PM Subject: [PEDA] Protel Crashes Hello! I have had extended RAM removed from my computer thinking the RAM was bad. Computer is Compaq Ipaq, now with 64 meg of RAM, W2K. Day One: no computer crashes. Day Two: three Protel 99SE crashes. All three gave an error window starting with something like: Access violation at address 00444C65 in module 'Client99... All three crashes were in a span of 5 1/2 hours (10:15 AM EST, 11:15 AM EST, and 3:00 PM EST). Question: Could the 3 Protel 99SE crashes be from running with only 64 meg of RAM, Protel needs reloaded from numerous crashes with bad extended RAM, or other hardware problems suspected? Any guesses? Thank You! Jeff * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel Crashes
There is Parity memory and there is ECC memory, but when the buyers always want the cheapest ... You don't really expect a 500$ PC to have all the stuff that is built into a 5000$ machine, do you ? I think it way off to use software to mask hardware faults. Rene Jon Elson wrote: Whew! Having worked on a number of mini-mainframe systems over the years (when they were king) and having gotten used to having the computer stop rather than blundering on destroying data in hidden ways, this is really intolerable! It is totally apalling that modern computers don't even have parity in most cases, no less ECC memory. I guess there are server-grade motherboards that do have these features. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Two new add-ons
Hi, I have two add-ons that i would like to share with others. They have saved me a lot of time. They are unfortunately not very well documented. I haven't had time to write any help files. I will put a readme file with the add-ons that give some instructions about how to use them. I don't have time to give any support to them but if you have questions you can send me an email. The first is a pcb utility that makes identical copy of a pcb layout. It is very useful for complete subcircuits and for example decoupling capacitor placement on identical circuits. It does not copy components, it moves them to a new location. That means when you have made your master copy of the subcircuit you can get other components to replicate this pattern. It uses the designator with an increment number to determine which components to move. This requires that you spend some time when you annotate your schematic, but it is usually worth it. I have been trying to rewrite it to increase stability and performance, but I haven't found the time. That's the reason I haven't released this earlier. The second is a schematic utility that let you perform a global change on document options so that you can easily change information used in your templates. This saves a lot of time compared to editing every schematic. I will try to upload these two add-ons to the protel-users yahoo-group later today. Regards Mattias Ericson -- Mattias Ericson Omnisys Instruments AB Gruvgatan 8 SE-421 30 Västra Frölunda, SWEDEN Phone: +46 31 734 34 08 Fax: +46 31 734 34 29¢,µ©²Æ zf¢Ú)®^çZ~î×Ç«¾)Ür¢W½ëaÉb²Ûâ²+a¶Úÿ 0µç!±êïw ¢oé®^ë ®Ïåy«ÞÙ¥ íiËm éb²Ù¨ ®f¢Ú¢»¦Ù¢+-«h7 '«¼Ür ¢»¦èzX§zÄnë!¶Úÿ 0µç!±êïw ¢oé®^ë ®Ïߢ»¦®é^²fèÂǨ'Èiëâ¢ë)¢Ëb !¶Úÿ 0¨¥j·!÷¢oé®^çZ~î×Ç«¾)Ür
Re: [PEDA] Schematic driven PCB Layout (and schematic net classes)
Hi Steve! Please beware that when you use PcbDirectives *all* items mentioned in the PcbDirective-menu are placed upon the net. This includes f.e. the 'routing layer' resulting in that the net is*only* routed on that layer as only one layer can be selected. Of course you can delete all the unused design-rules in PCB, but if you use this a lot this becomes a cumbersome task. Especially as only one design-rule can be deleted at a time. You have already discovered that only integers can be entered and that the unit vcan not be entered in the schematic. It is these silly facts that keep me from using PcbDirectives as they are presently available in Protel. I am however in the proces of writing a server that allows the use of the 'width' part of the PcbDirectives as well as add netclasses in the schematic. The latter are similar to the netclasses in PCB, and allow nets to be placed in classes, have directives added to them (Ok, presently only the 'routing width') and transfer those classes to PCB's netclasses. In this process I can also import the 'width'-part of PcbDirectives allowing the user to select the unit (mils, mm or 0.1mm). The MinWidth, Maxwidth and PreferredWidth parameters are stored in the database. I find this way quite usable (although it is not perfect yet). If any of you are interested I can make a slightly more userfriendly version available to the forum. Just let me know. Cheers, Jan Martin Wagenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27-11-01 19:57:17 I want to use the PCBLayoutDirective, so that I can set up design rules from the schematic. I've never used it before, but I've figured out how to use them, and transfer them to the PCB, but why won't Protel let me edit the track, or via width to less than 1mm...I can't have 1mm tracks everywhere. Steve * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Schematic driven PCB Layout
Yes, so I've reverted to changing the PCB editor to Imperial (using Q shortcut key) before I update from the schematic. I can then set, say 20 (mil) for a track of about 0.5mm, etc.. I then have to change back to metric, but this is a bit long winded, as I have to do a conversion everytime. Steve -Original Message- From: Anthony Whitesell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 27 November 2001 18:49 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Schematic driven PCB Layout Steve, It appears that you have found the quirk called you can only use whole numbers. I tried setting an imperial track with to a decimal and it does not accept it. Protel also does not seem to accept any track width containing a decimal value (ie. 0.5mm, 7.5mm, 0.5mil, or 7.5mil). Does this seem to be the problem? Anthony Whitesell Sunrise Labs 603-644-4500 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I want to use the PCBLayoutDirective, so that I can set up design rules from the schematic. I've never used it before, but I've figured out how to use them, and transfer them to the PCB, but why won't Protel let me edit the track, or via width to less than 1mm...I can't have 1mm tracks everywhere. Steve * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Corrupted Protel 99 SE SP6 Installation
I am unable to open a Database file with Protel 99 SE with SP6. When I try to open one, the program gives me the New Design Database dialog. This installation on my computer used to work. Did you try repairing the database? This is in the system menu on the far left under Design Utilities. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel Crashes
There is Parity memory and there is ECC memory, but when the buyers always want the cheapest ... You don't really expect a 500$ PC to have all the stuff that is built into a 5000$ machine, do you ? I think it way off to use software to mask hardware faults. but when you get to more than 4 bits of parity it is much better to use those bits to do ECC since the cost is the same. This is why all current machine support ECC not parity. Also ECC is not using software to mask hardware faults, it is using hardware to correct hardware faults. Parity in PCs, on the other hand, used software to stop the machine after a hardware fault. Today's memory is much more reliable than it was 15 or 20 years ago so advantage of ECC to the home user is not worth the cost. I check any new memory and than I don't worry about it. I did not check once on a non-ECC memory DIMM and had the memory work fine until I switched to Win2K. Investigating, I found that there was an unsoldered pin on one of the chips. Obviously Win 95 didn't actually use that memory, and Win2k/WinNT uses everything it can get the problem never occured under Win95. This would not have been a problem with ECC memory since the hardware would have used the extra bits to correct the bad data line on every read. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel Crashes
There is Parity memory and there is ECC memory, but when the buyers always want the cheapest ... You don't really expect a 500$ PC to have all the stuff that is built into a 5000$ machine, do you ? I expect reliability from everything I buy, no matter how cheap or expensive it is. machine support ECC not parity. Also ECC is not using software to mask hardware faults, it is using hardware to correct hardware faults. Parity in PCs, on the other hand, used software to stop the machine after a hardware fault. I think what the original poster was implying is a shifting of blame, not a prevention. If the software crashes, whatever the reason, people tend to blame software first. This tendency to shift blame to software can be exploited by ethically challenged hardware vendors to mask faults in hardware. Today's memory is much more reliable than it was 15 or 20 years ago so advantage of ECC to the home user is not worth the cost. I check any new memory and than I don't worry about it. I did not check once on a non-ECC memory DIMM and had the memory work fine until I switched to Win2K. Investigating, I found that there was an unsoldered pin on one of the chips. Obviously Win 95 didn't actually use that memory, and Win2k/WinNT Perhaps, but as you have documented, the most reliable non-ECC memory chips in the cosmos can't make up for a bad solder connection, broken track, etc. And don't forget the Single Event Upset phenomena, which will become ever more pervasive as geometries shrink. If all memory was ECC, it would no longer be a specialty item, and therefore enjoy the same cutthroat volume pricing that non-ECC memory does now. And that would be a good thing. I refute the notion that home users don't deserve reliability - most home users don't know how to recover their machines after a major system crash. This is like saying that only auto mechanics need reliable cars - everyone else can use lemons. Every non-techie I know who has a computer is really frustrated with it. And guess who they call for help? Hint: not Compaq, not Microsoft. If the PC industry wants to revive their sales, they need to start making better machines with better software on them. So far the only advantage I see to the GHz wars is that you can execute your way to the next crash faster than before ;-) Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Phatom polygons??
Hi Having problems with invisible polygones. Tryed out the Item 2434 in knowledge base. But when changin layer in spread I get the message Sorry, board was not updated correcly Running 99 SE SP6 What to do?? Regards Tommy * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Phatom polygons??
Hi Tommy, I had that problem too. I closed all the files in that database including the documents folder (only have the .ddb tab and .pcb tab showing) and then try it again. Thanks, Amy Nolen PCB Layout Technician RF Micro Devices 7914 Piedmont Triad Parkway Greensboro NC 27409 (336) 931-7099 -Original Message- From: Tommy Åkesson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 11:16 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Phatom polygons?? Hi Having problems with invisible polygones. Tryed out the Item 2434 in knowledge base. But when changin layer in spread I get the message Sorry, board was not updated correcly Running 99 SE SP6 What to do?? Regards Tommy * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] News about protel
Hi I have phone today to my local représentative seller of protel and he tell me than the new version of protel be disponible in second semester of 2002 . He tell me to, don't waiting new service pack before new version. A special offer be propose to the old customer of 99se but he don't now the cost. Other news ? Regards. E.BOBILLIER INRA UMRVP DOMAINE DE LA PRISE 35590 ST GILLES FRANCE Tel: 02 23 48 50 76 Fax: 02 23 48 50 80 Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: Phatom polygons??
OK That works. But my main problem that startet all this was: When I pour polygon it pour all over the components, have checkt connect to net and remove dead cupper. It did not do this in beginning of my work. Any ideas?? Tanks Tommy -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Amy Nolen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Skickat: den 28 november 2001 17:21 Till: 'Protel EDA Forum' Ämne: Re: [PEDA] Phatom polygons?? Hi Tommy, I had that problem too. I closed all the files in that database including the documents folder (only have the .ddb tab and .pcb tab showing) and then try it again. Thanks, Amy Nolen PCB Layout Technician RF Micro Devices 7914 Piedmont Triad Parkway Greensboro NC 27409 (336) 931-7099 -Original Message- From: Tommy Åkesson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 11:16 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Phatom polygons?? Hi Having problems with invisible polygones. Tryed out the Item 2434 in knowledge base. But when changin layer in spread I get the message Sorry, board was not updated correcly Running 99 SE SP6 What to do?? Regards Tommy * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Add-ons uploaded
thanks for the two lines describing what they do. Rene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, The two add-ons have been uploaded to the following webpage. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/protel-users I hope they work and that you find them useful. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Tasking Offer
I haven't seen it mentioned here (I may have skipped over it) but those of you who are multi-talented may be interested in the special offer on the Protel website. It applies to ATS holders _and_ current P99SE owners. Sign up and get a free copy of Tasking 51 and XA C compilers. Steve. == Steve BaldwinElectronic Product Design TLA Microsystems Ltd Microcontroller Specialists PO Box 15-680, New Lynn http://www.tla.co.nz Auckland, New Zealandph +64 9 820-2221 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax +64 9 820-1929 == * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Corrupted Protel 99 SE SP6 Installation
I did some further investigation on my system and determined that I had installed the SWIFT Designer Software Tool from Texas Instruments on the same day the problem manifested itself. As far as I can tell it must have written over some critical files. I worked with Protel for several hours after I had installed the SWIFT software without issue so I originally did not think it caused the problem I encountered when I closed the session and reopened it. I have since deleted the SWIFT software. I am not sure I want to reinstall it to test my theory. I did try installing the latest version of MDAC without success. In order to get back up and running I had to follow the directions in Knowledge Base Item 2450. I came to this conclusion after having the same problem noted in 2450 when I tried to open a new design data base. I had to do a variant of option 3. Rather than reinstalling the operating system and applications, I chose to repair the Windows 2000 installation. I am now back in business. Thanks, Douglas On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Ian Wilson wrote: At 04:08 PM 27/11/01 -0800, you wrote: I am unable to open a Database file with Protel 99 SE with SP6. When I try to open one, the program gives me the New Design Database dialog. This installation on my computer used to work. I have tried removing and reinstalling Protel 99 SE and Service Pack 6 without success. I disabled my virus checking software during the install. I am running Windows 2000 with SP2. Are there any hidden registry settings I need to be aware of? Any hints would be appreciated. Thanks, Douglas Douglas - this has come up before and I think there is one or more KB article(s) on the Protel www site on this problem. I have seen the p KB item 1985 is one candidate - do you use apostrophe's in any folder/file names? Also, I am not sure but I seem to recall that the MDAC problem can have this or similar effect. Search for MDAC on the Protel KB. Basic issue is that the MS database drivers have been overwritten by some other program/installer. Ian Wilson Douglas Alden Integrative Oceanography Division Scripps Institution of Oceanography University of California San Diego 9500 Gilman Drive 0209 La Jolla CA 92093-0209 (858) 534-8997 (858) 534-8299 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] News about protel
Well, that date certainly would jive with some recent discussions that I had with Protel about the ATS support program. I was asked not to quote the individual but the basic discussion was: At Protel there was discussed a preliminary date by which all P99SE users, who purchased P99SE before Oct 1 2001, would have to buy the ATS support package. This date was July 2002. The startling point about this date, after July 2002 you would receive no technical support for P99SE unless you had purchased the ATS package. As I mentioned, the date was tossed around in some discussions at Protel and is not a hard and fast date at this time. This is the gist of the conversation I had with a customer service rep. Get prepared to shell out for what has always been free at Protel. I would also print out the news bulletin pages about ATS. Especially the ones that state existing (pre-Oct 1 2001) P99se users would continue to receive free technical support as usual without purchasing ATS. That way your legal department can 'threaten' to sue them if they wish, for failing to live up to their publically stated policy. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. #300 - 4401 Still Creek Drive, Burnaby, B.C., Canada, V5C 6G9. Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 Website: www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Eric Bobillier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] News about protel Hi I have phone today to my local représentative seller of protel and he tell me than the new version of protel be disponible in second semester of 2002 . He tell me to, don't waiting new service pack before new version. A special offer be propose to the old customer of 99se but he don't now the cost. Other news ? Regards. E.BOBILLIER INRA UMRVP DOMAINE DE LA PRISE 35590 ST GILLES FRANCE Tel: 02 23 48 50 76 Fax: 02 23 48 50 80 Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] News about protel
How many of us actually use Protel's support? I know I don't anymore. How much of a problem would that really be for us if we lost it officially? The newbies could come here and ask us oldtimers. Tony -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:48 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] News about protel Well, that date certainly would jive with some recent discussions that I had with Protel about the ATS support program. I was asked not to quote the individual but the basic discussion was: At Protel there was discussed a preliminary date by which all P99SE users, who purchased P99SE before Oct 1 2001, would have to buy the ATS support package. This date was July 2002. The startling point about this date, after July 2002 you would receive no technical support for P99SE unless you had purchased the ATS package. As I mentioned, the date was tossed around in some discussions at Protel and is not a hard and fast date at this time. This is the gist of the conversation I had with a customer service rep. Get prepared to shell out for what has always been free at Protel. I would also print out the news bulletin pages about ATS. Especially the ones that state existing (pre-Oct 1 2001) P99se users would continue to receive free technical support as usual without purchasing ATS. That way your legal department can 'threaten' to sue them if they wish, for failing to live up to their publically stated policy. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. #300 - 4401 Still Creek Drive, Burnaby, B.C., Canada, V5C 6G9. Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 Website: www.norsat.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] News about protel
Re: [PEDA] News about protel
Ha ha, I mean in protel years. I'm only 37! In fact, TODAY is my B-day. Bummer I have to work! Tony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:07 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] News about protel In a message dated 11/28/01 4:04:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The newbies could come here and ask us oldtimers. Hey there! Just who are you calling old? Steve Hendrix * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] News about protel
I've only been using Protel for just over a year and have used their support only once, just after we got the software. This forum has been so much more user friendly and useful than the official support that to be a renegade will be no problem at all. Protel's free service and updates where a major selling point for the software and we would probably not have purchased the package if ATS had existed at the time. We are seriously considering going to a different software since we only do about 10 to 15 boards a year and will have trouble justifying the $2K scamming, oops, I mean support fee each year. Steve Smith Product Engineer Staco Energy Products Co. Web Site: www.stacoenergy.com -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 3:59 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] News about protel How many of us actually use Protel's support? I know I don't anymore. How much of a problem would that really be for us if we lost it officially? The newbies could come here and ask us oldtimers. Tony * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Routines
My macros are located at: Just copy this link location into your internet explorer address bar: ftp://ftp.point-lab.com/quartus/Public/ProtelUsers/ This is a free address. The macros I have written are free. QFPfootprintGeneratorScript.bas - Protel ClientBasic footprint generator script. QFPfootprintGeneratorScript.txt - added documentation. SmoothTrackSizeTransitionProtelScript.bas - Protel ClientBasic smooth size track transition. SpiralGeneratorProtelScript.bas - Protel ClientBasic spiral inductor generator. InductorGeneratorProtelScript.bas - Protel ClientBasic continuous -S- shaped inductor generator. SuperCompact.zip - super compact generic schematic symbols library. Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Routines | At 10:19 AM 28/11/01 +1100, you wrote: | There are a few here: | | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/protel-users/files/ | | As well as the yahoo groups file space there are a number of other places | to get 3rd party servers and macros. Some free some paid for. | | I have a few free servers at | http://www.considered.com.au/Protel01.htm (some shareware ones as | well). I removed my free servers from the yahoo groups as access is only | for members and not everyone wanted to be a member (this was due to some | (minor) concern about the copyright situation with yahoo groups and also so | I could monitor downloads). | | I know that Brian G. has some macros for solving various problems - a QFP | generator and there was a spiral trace generator as well wasn't there? | (Brian or someone - can you give the address please.) | | Also, http://www.eda.co.uk has some freeware and more elaborate servers: | http://www.eda.co.uk/premdwn.htm | | Aspiring technology have some freebies as well as more $ servers. | http://www.aspiring-technology.com/download.html | | QualECad have a (or more?) freeware server(s) as well as a well-reputed 3D | server. | | Desktop EDA have some servers but I am not sure if there are many freebies. | http://www.desktop-eda.com.au/download/download.htm | | I am sure there are others, I apologise if I skipped anyone, | Ian Wilson | | | -Original Message- | From: Sean James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2001 2:53 AM | To: Protel EDA Forum | Subject: [PEDA] Routines | | | Is there an archive or FTP site that has home-grown | routines for Protel? | | | Sean James | PCB Designer | Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. | 102 Grove Street | Worcester, MA 01605 | (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 | (FAX) 413.541.6170 | | | | * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] SV: Phatom polygons??
At 05:42 PM 11/28/01 +0100, Tommy Åkesson wrote: But my main problem that startet all this was: When I pour polygon it pour all over the components, have checkt connect to net and remove dead cupper. It did not do this in beginning of my work. Any ideas?? When remove dead copper is checked, all copper in the polygon pour that is not connected to a pad with the net in question, or maybe a via (there is a little weird behavior here, about which I recently wrote), will be removed. If there is no connected copper, the whole polygon disappears. It may be a good idea to pour a polygon, when there is any doubt, without dead copper removal turned on. Then verify that there are connected pads, perhaps use highlight connected copper from a pad in your net to verify that the polygon tracks have been connected. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
