Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, Brian Guralnick wrote: If you have SB Lives in those PC, you need a specific SB Live drivers to prevent the crashes. Nope, my SB / GeForce in this machine is rock-solid stable, with uptimes of month+, (although something eventually eats enough Ram that I reboot to clear up, but the extra 1/2 gig got me an extra 2 weeks uptime for trivial money - worth the upgrade...) Also, keep the Matrox cards in 32 bit mode for all of their screens to help prevent crashes. Eh? 32bit-per-pixel (which I always run), or something else? (changing resolutions, drivers, colour depth, acceleration could change the frequency of my twin-CPU Matrox crashes, but never to an acceptable level :( Steve * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Bob Wolfe wrote: Steve, Your source for danger??? Just a question how it was determined it was really dual proc that causes Matrox dual head problems. All I can offer are some datapoints, since I never got a solution. I've had 4 twin-CPU machines, from P-90 under NT3.51 (I think, it was a while back) to my current P3 under Win2K, and Matrox cards from Millennium to various G400s. The machines have been variously unstable - crashes after various times, from minutes to hours. For all machines, running them as single-CPU from the BIOS, or using other video cards, they'll run for weeks. The crashes can be subtle, like random redraw defects and icons getting confused (along with genrally weird behaviour), or glaring, like instant machine lockups. The problem is, while Matrox do make my favourite video cards - the best DACs, and nice tweakable resolutions, I've got work to do, and I can't spend weeks chasing bugs, or rebooting 5 times a day. A later mail suggests that I ditch the twin-cpu boxes, and get a separate box for Specctra - This is on my shopping list - as you say, PCs are now insanely cheap, but, since the only real justification for this is that I get sharper pixels on my main machine, it's got to wait behind 'real' work, since my currnet solution does get the job done. Steve * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
If you have SB Lives in those PC, you need a specific SB Live drivers to prevent the crashes. Also, keep the Matrox cards in 32 bit mode for all of their screens to help prevent crashes. Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Steve Wiseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 4:30 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel. | | | On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Bob Wolfe wrote: | | Steve, Your source for danger??? Just a question how it was determined | it was really dual proc that causes Matrox dual head problems. | | All I can offer are some datapoints, since I never got a solution. | | I've had 4 twin-CPU machines, from P-90 under NT3.51 (I think, it was a | while back) to my current P3 under Win2K, and Matrox cards from Millennium | to various G400s. The machines have been variously unstable - crashes | after various times, from minutes to hours. For all machines, running | them as single-CPU from the BIOS, or using other video cards, they'll run | for weeks. The crashes can be subtle, like random redraw defects and icons | getting confused (along with genrally weird behaviour), or glaring, like | instant machine lockups. | The problem is, while Matrox do make my favourite video cards - the best | DACs, and nice tweakable resolutions, I've got work to do, and I can't | spend weeks chasing bugs, or rebooting 5 times a day. A later mail | suggests that I ditch the twin-cpu boxes, and get a separate box for | Specctra - This is on my shopping list - as you say, PCs are now insanely | cheap, but, since the only real justification for this is that I get | sharper pixels on my main machine, it's got to wait behind 'real' work, | since my currnet solution does get the job done. | | Steve | | | * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Harry Selfridge wrote: After much experimentation, we settled on dual-head Matrox cards. They are very stable, and Matrox is constantly improving the firmware and drivers. Update downloads are available on the Matrox website at reasonably frequent intervals - even for older cards. Danger, Will Robinson! The Matrox drivers, at least unitil very recently when I gave up trying, do _not_ work on twin-CPU machines. (I tend to run twins, so I can have Specctra battering away in the background, but keep on Protelling on the other). If someone knows a way round this, I'll be back to using Matrox like a shot, but at the moment, I'm ATI-single-heading it. Grump... Steve * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
Steve, Your source for danger??? Just a question how it was determined it was really dual proc that causes Matrox dual head problems. Its been a while too since I have used dual proc and the dual head set up but we never really got ant good info out of Dell or Matrox back then. Robert M. Wolfe, C.I.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Steve Wiseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel. On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Harry Selfridge wrote: After much experimentation, we settled on dual-head Matrox cards. They are very stable, and Matrox is constantly improving the firmware and drivers. Update downloads are available on the Matrox website at reasonably frequent intervals - even for older cards. Danger, Will Robinson! The Matrox drivers, at least unitil very recently when I gave up trying, do _not_ work on twin-CPU machines. (I tend to run twins, so I can have Specctra battering away in the background, but keep on Protelling on the other). If someone knows a way round this, I'll be back to using Matrox like a shot, but at the moment, I'm ATI-single-heading it. Grump... Steve * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
I had my Matrox G400DH with my dual PIII 450Mhz Intel based mother board for 1.5 years. The only problem I had was games did not play too smoothly. If you tell me what your system configuration it, I can solve your Matrox headaches. Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Steve Wiseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel. | | | On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Harry Selfridge wrote: | | After much experimentation, we settled on dual-head Matrox cards. They are | very stable, and Matrox is constantly improving the firmware and | drivers. Update downloads are available on the Matrox website at | reasonably frequent intervals - even for older cards. | | Danger, Will Robinson! The Matrox drivers, at least unitil very recently | when I gave up trying, do _not_ work on twin-CPU machines. (I tend to run | twins, so I can have Specctra battering away in the background, but keep | on Protelling on the other). | If someone knows a way round this, I'll be back to using Matrox like a | shot, but at the moment, I'm ATI-single-heading it. Grump... | | Steve | | * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
At 06:48 PM 12/21/2001 +, Steve Wiseman wrote: Danger, Will Robinson! The Matrox drivers, at least unitil very recently when I gave up trying, do _not_ work on twin-CPU machines. (I tend to run twins, so I can have Specctra battering away in the background, but keep on Protelling on the other). Computers are cheap, really cheap, at least single-CPU computers are, so if I were so flush as to have a Specctra license, I'd seriously think of setting another box next to my system, putting in a keyboard and monitor switch -- unless I had extras and room for them -- and running Specctra on that. The network is the computer is a bit trite now, but I just upgraded my old 10MBPS ethernet to 100MBPS, which I should have done quite some time ago. In fact, I am upgrading everything, I intend to write about it. Prices are *really* good, it's a buyer's market. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
W2K docs claim to support up to 10 cards/displays, so it should work. They can be any combination of AGP or PCI. Go to the Microsoft site get Q238886, How to set up and troubleshoot multiple monitors in Windows 2000. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q238886 You can determine whether an adapter is compatible by checking the HCL at http://www.microsoft.com/hcl/default.asp Select display for the search condition. You can also enter your specific adapter model. You will get a matrix of OS's, display adapters, logo compatibility. Click on a specific listing to get details. Any reason to invest in a special dual card? Why not just use the inexpensive ones, assuming you have enough slots available. I suppose the performance is better. I just checked pricewatch.com, $54 - Dual 128MB $39 - Dual 64MB $42 - Dual 32MB $26 - Dual 16MB $92 - Quad 64MB $65 - Quad 32MB Obviously price is not a significant factor. Hmmm. -Original Message- From: Stephen Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 07:25 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel. I have an Asus CUSL2 based PC, with integrated Intel 815E video controller (my Matrox G400 Dual head was totalled, along with every other peripheral including the original motherboard when the PSU went nuclear - I still have trouble talking about it!). Does anybody know if I can use another video card at the same time? If I can, does it need to be PCI, 'coz I'd like to get a nice dual monitor card? I'm asking because a (very generous) friend has given me two Eizo Flexscan 19 monitors to go with my current Trinitron. It'd be nice to have a 3 monitor setup (My Wife doesn't share my enthusiasm!) Thanks Steve. From: Darryl Newberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I just bought and installed an ATI Xpert 128 (16MB) for USD $50. I'm now running dual monitors under Win2K on a Dell Optiplex GX110 (733 MHz P2) with integrated video (Intel 82810E chipset), P99SE, 256MB RDRAM. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
Thanks for the information Darryl. The Microsoft document states that the primary adapter must be in PCI slot 0 or 1. The problem is that I'd prefer to get an AGP adapter, and the integrated video is also AGP, so I need to know if it's possible to run two AGP adapters at the same time. I suspect that it isn't. In answer to your question about why don't I get an inexpensive card, I have a couple of younger relatives that would appreciate the ability to play games at 'max performance' (this is for my PC at home, not at work). Thanks again. Steve. -Original Message- From: Darryl Newberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 December 2001 13:42 To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel. W2K docs claim to support up to 10 cards/displays, so it should work. They can be any combination of AGP or PCI. Go to the Microsoft site get Q238886, How to set up and troubleshoot multiple monitors in Windows 2000. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q238886 You can determine whether an adapter is compatible by checking the HCL at http://www.microsoft.com/hcl/default.asp Select display for the search condition. You can also enter your specific adapter model. You will get a matrix of OS's, display adapters, logo compatibility. Click on a specific listing to get details. Any reason to invest in a special dual card? Why not just use the inexpensive ones, assuming you have enough slots available. I suppose the performance is better. I just checked pricewatch.com, $54 - Dual 128MB $39 - Dual 64MB $42 - Dual 32MB $26 - Dual 16MB $92 - Quad 64MB $65 - Quad 32MB Obviously price is not a significant factor. Hmmm. -Original Message- From: Stephen Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 07:25 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel. I have an Asus CUSL2 based PC, with integrated Intel 815E video controller (my Matrox G400 Dual head was totalled, along with every other peripheral including the original motherboard when the PSU went nuclear - I still have trouble talking about it!). Does anybody know if I can use another video card at the same time? If I can, does it need to be PCI, 'coz I'd like to get a nice dual monitor card? I'm asking because a (very generous) friend has given me two Eizo Flexscan 19 monitors to go with my current Trinitron. It'd be nice to have a 3 monitor setup (My Wife doesn't share my enthusiasm!) Thanks Steve. From: Darryl Newberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I just bought and installed an ATI Xpert 128 (16MB) for USD $50. I'm now running dual monitors under Win2K on a Dell Optiplex GX110 (733 MHz P2) with integrated video (Intel 82810E chipset), P99SE, 256MB RDRAM. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
My original recommendation, The GF3-TI5 with the ATI Expert will give you gaming galore. If you want an idea of what I mean, mail me off this list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Stephen Casey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel. | Thanks for the information Darryl. The Microsoft document states that the | primary adapter must be in PCI slot 0 or 1. The problem is that I'd prefer | to get an AGP adapter, and the integrated video is also AGP, so I need to | know if it's possible to run two AGP adapters at the same time. I suspect | that it isn't. In answer to your question about why don't I get an | inexpensive card, I have a couple of younger relatives that would appreciate | the ability to play games at 'max performance' (this is for my PC at home, | not at work). | | Thanks again. | Steve. | | -Original Message- | From: Darryl Newberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: 19 December 2001 13:42 | To: 'Protel EDA Forum' | Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel. | | | W2K docs claim to support up to 10 cards/displays, so it should work. They | can be any combination of AGP or PCI. Go to the Microsoft site | get Q238886, | How to set up and troubleshoot multiple monitors in Windows 2000. | | http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q238886 | | You can determine whether an adapter is compatible by checking the HCL at | http://www.microsoft.com/hcl/default.asp | | Select display for the search condition. You can also enter | your specific | adapter model. You will get a matrix of OS's, display adapters, logo | compatibility. Click on a specific listing to get details. | | Any reason to invest in a special dual card? Why not just use the | inexpensive ones, assuming you have enough slots available. I suppose the | performance is better. | | I just checked pricewatch.com, | $54 - Dual 128MB | $39 - Dual 64MB | $42 - Dual 32MB | $26 - Dual 16MB | $92 - Quad 64MB | $65 - Quad 32MB | | Obviously price is not a significant factor. Hmmm. | | -Original Message- | From: Stephen Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 07:25 | To: Protel EDA Forum | Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel. | | | I have an Asus CUSL2 based PC, with integrated Intel 815E | video controller | (my Matrox G400 Dual head was totalled, along with every other | peripheral | including the original motherboard when the PSU went nuclear - | I still have | trouble talking about it!). Does anybody know if I can use | another video | card at the same time? If I can, does it need to be PCI, 'coz | I'd like to | get a nice dual monitor card? I'm asking because a (very | generous) friend | has given me two Eizo Flexscan 19 monitors to go with my | current Trinitron. | It'd be nice to have a 3 monitor setup (My Wife doesn't share my | enthusiasm!) | | Thanks | Steve. | | From: Darryl Newberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | |I just bought and installed an ATI Xpert 128 (16MB) for USD | $50. I'm now | running dual monitors under Win2K on a Dell Optiplex GX110 (733 | MHz P2) with | integrated video (Intel 82810E chipset), P99SE, 256MB RDRAM. | | | | * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
At 06:06 PM 12/17/01 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: FCC Part 15 be blowed :-) How about those gov't regs that prevent stuff from working well? You gotta love those (NOT). I'm not expert on the subject, but as I recall, most of the thrust of the FCC regulations is toward preventing interference between the regulated product and other equipment. Yes, almost inherently, this can result in performance restrictions and/or increased cost. However, users may, if they are willing to risk voiding the warranty, modify the product provided they are also willing to take responsibility for any resulting interference. Recall anyone going to jail for tweaking their TV or computer? The worst thing you are going to see, here in the U.S., is a knock on the door, and even that is very, very unlikely unless you start broadcasting at relatively high power, which is hardly consistent with efficient cabling! Does the lead-free solder debate come to mind? What comes to mind is the polarization of society into camps, each one of which trusts the others not at all. As a result, whichever camp happens to be in power makes a huge mess, because it neglects the legitimate concerns of the other sides. So the anti-government libertarians or General Bullmoose business stooges will tear away regulations which protect people and the environment, and the anti-business so-called liberals will neglect real people (after all, business means jobs) in favor of starry-eyed principles. Liberal was supposed to mean willing to consider all sides. And Conservative was supposed to mean thoughtfully protective. In the end, however, society seems to divide all too often between intelligent and stupid. There is a story of the king who stepped on a thorn. He ordered his kingdom paved with leather so that he could walk anywhere without fear of being hurt. His advisors were frantic with worry because they knew that this would not only bankrupt the kingdom but would also have some other negative effects, to say the least. Finally one of them hit upon a solution. He made a pair of sandals and gave them to the king We see, today especially, many who would pave the world with leather; any one of us can experience this simply by flying from point A to point B, especially in the U.S. It's easy to understand the response, but the money spent and the economic value of the delay to every traveler could certainly make for some handsome sandals. I.e., secure cockpit doors, air marshals, always-on navigational beacons and cockpit voice transmitters. We might also consider what could be done to ameliorate the conditions which breed fanatics, but that is a whole other level of response, perhaps too much to expect. Anyway, the Protel relevance here is in an encouragement to do what is necessary to make the hardware work well with Protel; I'm probably going to stick with Matrox since the additional cost is trivial compared to the value of my time I do encourage users, however, to continue to share experience; perhaps we could come up with a list of widely validated video cards. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
I just bought and installed an ATI Xpert 128 (16MB) for USD $50. I'm now running dual monitors under Win2K on a Dell Optiplex GX110 (733 MHz P2) with integrated video (Intel 82810E chipset), P99SE, 256MB RDRAM. Executive summary: it rocks! I have only tested this a little, but so far no problems. Installation was painless--plugged in the ATI card, W2K did its PnP thing, slipped in the ATI CD, and there was joy. The ATI board is driving a 21 Philips at 1600 x 1200 x 16bpp and the motherboard video drives a 15 KDS at 1024 x 768 x 16bpp. I have the Windows desktop/taskbar/toolbar on the 15, and P99SE on the 21. With the P99SE explorer pane closed the PCB completely fills the 21. I suppose if I got another 21 I could have it so that the explorer pane and schematic is on one monitor and the PCB on the other. The 15 is really too small for cad but it lets you use other apps (e.g. Outlook, Word, Excel, Acrobat) while viewing P99SE full screen. Full board redraws take about 0.5 seconds, but perhaps my current design isn't a very good benchmark, it's only 4 layers, 10 x 7, 200 components, 781 pads. I can't tell if this is any faster than before. Does this sound good? It seems a little weird working while zoomed out so far. I'd grown accustomed to zooming out, panning/moving, then zooming back in. Also odd having to move the mouse so far, sometimes I have to pick up and move the mouse when moving between monitors. Gotta get a track ball I guess. What other ways are there to take advantage of two dissimilar displays with P99SE? Darryl Newberry Freedom Scientific 2850 SE Market Pl Stuart FL 34997 (561) 223-6443 tel (561) 223-6413 fax http://www.freedomscientific.com All information contained or disclosed herein is proprietary and confidential to Freedom Scientific. Opinions expressed by the sender do not necessarily reflect Freedom Scientific corporate policy. -Original Message- From: Andrew Jenkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 18:22 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel. On 02:52 PM 12/18/2001 +1100, Chris Mogford wrote: I have one last question. With 2 video cards is it Win2k that does the stretching over 2 screens ? Yes. W2k has limited built-in multi-monitor support included. (in fact, it will natively support more than two PCI cards...) aj * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
I'm glad to hear that you are happy with my recommendation. I'm been using this combination for 2 days now and I yet to see Protel messing up the display while panning. With the G400 Dual Head, it was a bit faster than the ATI card, but occasionally I would have to do a refresh of the screen. On the other hand, the GeForce3 T5 makes the Matrox look like something from the early 90's. Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Darryl Newberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel. | I just bought and installed an ATI Xpert 128 (16MB) for USD $50. I'm now | running dual monitors under Win2K on a Dell Optiplex GX110 (733 MHz P2) with | integrated video (Intel 82810E chipset), P99SE, 256MB RDRAM. | | Executive summary: it rocks! | | I have only tested this a little, but so far no problems. Installation was | painless--plugged in the ATI card, W2K did its PnP thing, slipped in the ATI | CD, and there was joy. | | The ATI board is driving a 21 Philips at 1600 x 1200 x 16bpp and the | motherboard video drives a 15 KDS at 1024 x 768 x 16bpp. I have the Windows | desktop/taskbar/toolbar on the 15, and P99SE on the 21. With the P99SE | explorer pane closed the PCB completely fills the 21. I suppose if I got | another 21 I could have it so that the explorer pane and schematic is on | one monitor and the PCB on the other. The 15 is really too small for cad | but it lets you use other apps (e.g. Outlook, Word, Excel, Acrobat) while | viewing P99SE full screen. | | Full board redraws take about 0.5 seconds, but perhaps my current design | isn't a very good benchmark, it's only 4 layers, 10 x 7, 200 components, | 781 pads. I can't tell if this is any faster than before. Does this sound | good? | | It seems a little weird working while zoomed out so far. I'd grown | accustomed to zooming out, panning/moving, then zooming back in. Also odd | having to move the mouse so far, sometimes I have to pick up and move the | mouse when moving between monitors. Gotta get a track ball I guess. | | What other ways are there to take advantage of two dissimilar displays with | P99SE? | | Darryl Newberry | Freedom Scientific | 2850 SE Market Pl | Stuart FL 34997 | (561) 223-6443 tel | (561) 223-6413 fax | http://www.freedomscientific.com | All information contained or disclosed herein is proprietary and | confidential to Freedom Scientific. | Opinions expressed by the sender do not necessarily reflect Freedom | Scientific corporate policy. | | -Original Message- | From: Andrew Jenkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 18:22 | To: Protel EDA Forum | Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel. | | | On 02:52 PM 12/18/2001 +1100, Chris Mogford wrote: | | I have one last question. | With 2 video cards is it Win2k that does the stretching over | 2 screens ? | | Yes. W2k has limited built-in multi-monitor support included. | (in fact, it will natively support more than two PCI cards...) | | aj | | | * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
Here is my new system configuration: Win2Kpro AGP video card - Hercules 3D Prophet III Titanium 500 - latest drivers secondary PCI video card - ATI XPERT 128 - drivers provided on CD No problems running protel with both screens running at 2048x1536 making a total screen resolution of 4096x1536. Holly Cow, what a display! Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
Additional: The ATI initially was ever so slightly blurrier than the Hercules. After removing 3 caps jumping 6 ferrites on the RGB analog output, the video ATI virtually matched the Hercules. Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 5:04 PM Subject: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel. | Here is my new system configuration: | | Win2Kpro | | AGP video card - Hercules 3D Prophet III Titanium 500 - latest drivers | secondary PCI video card - ATI XPERT 128 - drivers provided on CD | | No problems running protel with both screens running at 2048x1536 making a total | screen resolution of 4096x1536. | | Holly Cow, what a display! | | | Brian Guralnick | | | | * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
The ATI initially was ever so slightly blurrier than the Hercules. After removing 3 caps jumping 6 ferrites on the RGB analog output, the video ATI virtually matched the Hercules. I assume that voided the warranty on your ATI card. Not that computer equipment warranties mean much anymore. You, sir, are a tweaker ;-) Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel. Additional: The ATI initially was ever so slightly blurrier than the Hercules. After removing 3 caps jumping 6 ferrites on the RGB analog output, the video ATI virtually matched the Hercules. Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
On 05:28 PM 17/12/2001 -0500, Brian Guralnick said: Additional: The ATI initially was ever so slightly blurrier than the Hercules. After removing 3 caps jumping 6 ferrites on the RGB analog output, the video ATI virtually matched the Hercules. FCC Part 15 be blowed :-) Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
FCC Part 15 be blowed :-) How about those gov't regs that prevent stuff from working well? You gotta love those (NOT). Does the lead-free solder debate come to mind? Protel should add a check box to the pad stack dialog. When you check Lead Free Solder, another dialog box should pop up that says: Choosing lead-free solder can have an adverse effect on the longevity of your solder connections, and can increase the cost of assembly with no noticeable improvement in nature ecosystems. Do you still want to choose lead-free solder for this pad? OK, Cancel ;-) Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel. On 05:28 PM 17/12/2001 -0500, Brian Guralnick said: Additional: The ATI initially was ever so slightly blurrier than the Hercules. After removing 3 caps jumping 6 ferrites on the RGB analog output, the video ATI virtually matched the Hercules. FCC Part 15 be blowed :-) Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
LOL Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel. | FCC Part 15 be blowed :-) | | How about those gov't regs that prevent stuff from working well? You gotta | love those (NOT). | | Does the lead-free solder debate come to mind? | | Protel should add a check box to the pad stack dialog. When you check Lead | Free Solder, another dialog box should pop up that says: Choosing | lead-free solder can have an adverse effect on the longevity of your solder | connections, and can increase the cost of assembly with no noticeable | improvement in nature ecosystems. Do you still want to choose lead-free | solder for this pad? OK, Cancel ;-) | | Best regards, | Ivan Baggett | Bagotronix Inc. | website: www.bagotronix.com | | | - Original Message - | From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 5:49 PM | Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel. | | | On 05:28 PM 17/12/2001 -0500, Brian Guralnick said: | Additional: | | The ATI initially was ever so slightly blurrier than the Hercules. After | removing 3 | caps jumping 6 ferrites on the RGB analog output, the video ATI | virtually matched | the Hercules. | | FCC Part 15 be blowed :-) | | Ian Wilson | | | | * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
I'm forever wanting more screen real estate but have not yet got into investigating dual head video cards or dual video cards. In practice, how do you utilise the two screens? What program goes to what screen? If only Protel, how is it split up between the two monitors? I have seen a dual head matrox work but I am unsure if maximising a window fills up both screens or one screen? Are two cards better than a single dual head card? Regards, Chris Mogford Varian Australia, Melbourne, Australia - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 9:04 AM Subject: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel. Here is my new system configuration: Win2Kpro AGP video card - Hercules 3D Prophet III Titanium 500 - latest drivers secondary PCI video card - ATI XPERT 128 - drivers provided on CD No problems running protel with both screens running at 2048x1536 making a total screen resolution of 4096x1536. Holly Cow, what a display! Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
Here are some answers: 1. If you use the maximize, the program will fill 1 monitor, but if you manually size the window, you can stretch the window over 2 monitors. 2. With Matrox being the exception, being that the dual head output is very high quality on both video outputs, 2 video cards should work fine. Matrox G400DH will limit the resolution on the second monitor to 1280x1024 while the first main monitor will go up to 2048x1536 at the same time. Also, with Matrox, the speed of refresh while scrolling windows is matched on both screens. The 2 video card which I have set up in Win2K and tested together offer the ability to have 2048x1536 on both screens simultaneously. The difference here is that the second monitor with the PCI video card refreshed a bit slower than the AGP card. I've only noticed the difference when dragging large desktop windows from 1 screen over to the other. I really didn't notice any performance drop with Protel. (Note: In the past, some have found problems with ATI cards Protel. This is with ATI AGP cards. These bugs do not show up with my new ATI XPERT 128 Win2K.) These are examples of how I set up my screens. Fav #1 left monitor = ftp://ftp.point-lab.com/quartus/Public/ProtelUsers/leftscreen1.png 140k #1 right monitor = ftp://ftp.point-lab.com/quartus/Public/ProtelUsers/rightscreen1.png 170k Keep in mind, that if you use the tools and custom menu buttons, you can place them anywhere on monitor #2 so that there is no obstructions over your board work space. Because of a bug in Protel's adaptive screen scrolling speed, I left 1 toolbar on the left, otherwise, scrolling to the left would always go extra slow. Fav #2 left monitor = ftp://ftp.point-lab.com/quartus/Public/ProtelUsers/leftscreen2.png 160k #2 right monitor = ftp://ftp.point-lab.com/quartus/Public/ProtelUsers/rightscreen2.png 112k Sorry about my server speed, it only 256Kbits per second on UL. Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Chris Mogford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel. | I'm forever wanting more screen real estate but have not yet got into | investigating dual head video cards or dual video cards. | | In practice, how do you utilise the two screens? | What program goes to what screen? | | If only Protel, how is it split up between the two monitors? | | I have seen a dual head matrox work but I am unsure if maximising a window fills | up both screens or one screen? | | Are two cards better than a single dual head card? | | Regards, | Chris Mogford | Varian Australia, | Melbourne, Australia | | | | | | - Original Message - | From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 9:04 AM | Subject: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel. | | | Here is my new system configuration: | | Win2Kpro | | AGP video card - Hercules 3D Prophet III Titanium 500 - latest drivers | secondary PCI video card - ATI XPERT 128 - drivers provided on CD | | No problems running protel with both screens running at 2048x1536 making a total | screen resolution of 4096x1536. | | Holly Cow, what a display! | | | Brian Guralnick | | | | * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
Hi Chris, Under windows, the desktop is expanded across the two screens. When you maximize a program window, it occupies only one of the screens - except for very few programs that are specifically written to expand across the entire multiscreen panorama. Protel will only occupy one screen when maximized. The way we use the two screens, Protel is on the monitor directly in front. We drag Acrobat, a Gerber editor, Internet Explorer, or whatever to the other screen which is to the right of the main screen. We can then open documents that are pertinent to the design on the right monitor for reference while we are working in Protel. If you are conferencing via Internet, the open conference document can be up on the right screen while you make changes on the main screen document. Two video cards are not necessarily better than one good dual head card. In fact, there can be some significant driver problems when running two cards if you fail to choose the video cards wisely. After much experimentation, we settled on dual-head Matrox cards. They are very stable, and Matrox is constantly improving the firmware and drivers. Update downloads are available on the Matrox website at reasonably frequent intervals - even for older cards. Harry Selfridge Encore Engineering Services and Products Anaheim, CA At 11:18 AM 12/18/01 +1100, you wrote: I'm forever wanting more screen real estate but have not yet got into investigating dual head video cards or dual video cards. In practice, how do you utilise the two screens? What program goes to what screen? If only Protel, how is it split up between the two monitors? I have seen a dual head matrox work but I am unsure if maximising a window fills up both screens or one screen? Are two cards better than a single dual head card? Regards, Chris Mogford Varian Australia, Melbourne, Australia - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 9:04 AM Subject: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel. Here is my new system configuration: Win2Kpro AGP video card - Hercules 3D Prophet III Titanium 500 - latest drivers secondary PCI video card - ATI XPERT 128 - drivers provided on CD No problems running protel with both screens running at 2048x1536 making a total screen resolution of 4096x1536. Holly Cow, what a display! Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:41:13 -0500, Brian Guralnick wrote: Here are some answers: 2. With Matrox being the exception, being that the dual head output is very high quality on both video outputs, 2 video cards should work fine. Matrox G400DH will limit the resolution on the second monitor to 1280x1024 while the first main monitor will go up to 2048x1536 at the same time. Also, with Matrox, the speed of refresh while scrolling windows is matched on both screens. The 2 video card which I have set up in Win2K and tested together offer the ability to have 2048x1536 on both screens simultaneously. The difference here is that the second monitor with the PCI video card refreshed a bit slower than the AGP card. I've only noticed the difference when dragging large desktop windows from 1 screen over to the other. I really didn't notice any performance drop with Protel. (Note: In the past, some have found problems with ATI cards Protel. This is with ATI AGP cards. These bugs do not show up with my new ATI XPERT 128 Win2K.) Brian, I'm getting ready to test a brand-spanking-new ATI Radeon 8500. Since I'm currently using a Matrox G400 MAX, it sets a pretty high benchmark I think. I'm using Win2K SP2, a 21 primary display (1600 x 1200) and a 17 secondary display (1280 x 1024). I've heard very good things about the dual display output of the Radeon 8500. I'm hopeful that the drivers play nicely in Win2K with all my CAD applications, including Protel. I'm anxious to see how the ATI/Appian Hydravision dual head control software works. The demos I've seen look very nice, but... if not, I'll just stick with the G400. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
At 08:41 PM 17/12/01 -0500, you wrote: These are examples of how I set up my screens. Keep in mind, that if you use the tools and custom menu buttons, you can place them anywhere on monitor #2 so that there is no obstructions over your board work space. Because of a bug in Protel's adaptive screen scrolling speed, I left 1 toolbar on the left, otherwise, scrolling to the left would always go extra slow. Fav #2 left monitor = ftp://ftp.point-lab.com/quartus/Public/ProtelUsers/leftscreen2.png 160k #2 right monitor = ftp://ftp.point-lab.com/quartus/Public/ProtelUsers/rightscreen2.png 112k Brian, This all looks pretty good but I must point out a few things: 1) What are you doing using that virus vector... 2) David Bowie? :-) Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
David Bowie was some .mp3 music playing. What's a virus vector? Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel. | At 08:41 PM 17/12/01 -0500, you wrote: | These are examples of how I set up my screens. | | Keep in mind, that if you use the tools and custom menu buttons, you can | place them | anywhere on monitor #2 so that there is no obstructions over your board | work space. | Because of a bug in Protel's adaptive screen scrolling speed, I left 1 | toolbar on the | left, otherwise, scrolling to the left would always go extra slow. | | Fav #2 left monitor = | ftp://ftp.point-lab.com/quartus/Public/ProtelUsers/leftscreen2.png 160k | #2 right monitor = | ftp://ftp.point-lab.com/quartus/Public/ProtelUsers/rightscreen2.png 112k | | Brian, | | This all looks pretty good but I must point out a few things: | 1) What are you doing using that virus vector... | 2) David Bowie? | | :-) | | Ian | | | * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
Thanks for the info about monitors. Sounds good. I assume that a dual head card would come with the twin screen software as does the GForce2 with tv-out and the Matrox G400 with dual head. I have one last question. With 2 video cards is it Win2k that does the stretching over 2 screens ? Chris Mogford * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
At 10:37 PM 17/12/01 -0500, you wrote: David Bowie was some .mp3 music playing. I figured that - I was jesting about your taste in music... joke only, sort of dates you. (I won't say what my taste in music is - dates me more I suspect.) What's a virus vector? A vector is a method a virus uses to propagate. OE is not noted as being the least susceptible to virii attempting to propogate... I'll leave it there I think. Just joking by the way - just letting you now I looked at your pretty pictures. Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
