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guy keren wrote: >> >>* Is jed the editor you settled on? >> >> > >yes. that'll be the editor. > > I gave it a try. It seems good enough (fast, on-screen keyboard tips & menus, has python highlighting), and feels surprisingly natural to me (I guess that's because it comes with emacs emulati

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On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:18:11 +0200 > From: Beni Cherniavsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: guy keren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Beni Cherniavsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, python@linux.org.il > Subject: Re: updated python mat

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On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 09:14 +0200, guy keren wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: > > > * I'm introducing modules quite early - I had to, to allow them to > > write the small games you mentioned. Should we perhaps say > > something general about them before they are casually used

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On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: > On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 04:40 +0200, guy keren wrote: > > i made another small update to the lessons plan. i also took benny's > > current 'reference document' and placed on the site (after bumping the > > version number to 0.4.0). > > It's not going a

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On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 04:40 +0200, guy keren wrote: > i made another small update to the lessons plan. i also took benny's > current 'reference document' and placed on the site (after bumping the > version number to 0.4.0). It's not going as fast as I would want but I mostly merged the new plan in

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El dom, 06-11-2005 a las 06:09 +0200, guy keren escribió: > On Sun, 6 Nov 2005, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: > > > [BTW, your html didn't specify any encoding.] > > i have used the ancient "meta http-equiv" tag, to supply the encoding. is > it non-standard by now? i forgot adding the DOCTYPE tag with

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On Sun, 6 Nov 2005, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: > On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 05:20 +0200, guy keren wrote: > > if only you spent your time on working on contents - that'd be a time well > > spent... i'm still waiting for your promised document - time is running > > out - we start officially on november 13

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On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 05:20 +0200, guy keren wrote: > if only you spent your time on working on contents - that'd be a time well > spent... i'm still waiting for your promised document - time is running > out - we start officially on november 13th (a week and a day from now), > and i'd want to have

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On Sun, 6 Nov 2005, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: > On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 05:20 +0200, guy keren wrote: > > On Sun, 6 Nov 2005, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: > > > 2. your copy of the reference (which looks like my html with the html > > striped, and no new content) comes as gibberish. in plain text you > >

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On Sun, 6 Nov 2005, Amit Aronovitch wrote: > guy keren wrote: > > >thanks. i'm glad i finally managed to do something you actually aprove of > >whole heartedly ;) > > Sorry for not making it clear - in fact I approve of most of the stuff > I've seen (e.g. the whole Hazor project, this course, the

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On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 05:20 +0200, guy keren wrote: > On Sun, 6 Nov 2005, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: > 2. your copy of the reference (which looks like my html with the html >striped, and no new content) comes as gibberish. in plain text you >cannot specify an encoding type... obviously you're

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On Sun, 6 Nov 2005, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: > I do have time for it (or so I think ;-).No time to learn Arch (which > didn't strike me as friendly enough) but to use Subversion which I > already know. if only you spent your time on working on contents - that'd be a time well spent... i'm still w

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El sáb, 05-11-2005 a las 20:30 +0200, Shlomi Fish escribió: > You should use a VCS for anything that undergoes a few revisions. > > Guy, anything you can say to your defense? > He already did: he said he has no time to bother with it. It might or might not be wise but it's his decision. I do h

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guy keren wrote: >thanks. i'm glad i finally managed to do something you actually aprove of >whole heartedly ;) > > > Sorry for not making it clear - in fact I approve of most of the stuff I've seen (e.g. the whole Hazor project, this course, the fun attitude, most of the contents, including wha

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On Saturday 05 November 2005 19:00, Nir Soffer wrote: > On 5 Nov, 2005, at 14:33, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > 1. It is not portable to Win32, and porting it there is not a priority > > of its > > main developer. > > Who cares? > I do. I want my software to be as portable to Win32 as possible, and that

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On 5 Nov, 2005, at 14:33, Shlomi Fish wrote: 1. It is not portable to Win32, and porting it there is not a priority of its main developer. Who cares? 2. It is no longer maintained and will be replaced by GNU Arch 2.0. It is, most of the work done on http://bazaar.canonical.com/. I'm not

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On Wednesday 26 October 2005 11:12, Nir Soffer wrote: > > * Could you put it on some public version control? It will simplify > > keeping updated and managing changes. > > If you do, I prefer tla > tla has several problems: 1. It is not portable to Win32, and porting

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On ג', 2005-11-01 at 04:33 +0200, guy keren wrote: > i don't think i'll even mention execfile - i'll just show how to do simple > stuff in the interpreter, and the rest using scripts. > [...] > actually, i don't see why. i usually have one terminal with an editor, and > another terminal in which i

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On ה', 2005-11-03 at 01:26 +0200, Amit Aronovitch wrote: > * Do you have some ideas for self reading/self exercising for the week > between the first and second lesson? Maybe some pen & paper experiments, > extending the "robot" demo? > > For example, you can describe a small size labyrinth as a

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On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Amit Aronovitch wrote: > Guy, I've read the first lesson slides, and I must say this is very good :-) > The best of all is the "human computing" demos. thanks. i'm glad i finally managed to do something you actually aprove of whole heartedly ;) > As I explained in the wiki,

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Guy, I've read the first lesson slides, and I must say this is very good :-) The best of all is the "human computing" demos. As I explained in the wiki, I've been worried that it might become a long, boring, slideshowing session (due to lack of practical exercises). The two little demos fully ans

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guy keren wrote: >>I'm sure I am - that was more than 20 years ago. And I don't think there >>were any libraries to speak of... >> >> > >actually, there were third-party libraries even in the old BASIC days - >they were just not called by that name. > > > For the Sinclair ZX81? I would have

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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005, Amit Aronovitch wrote: > guy keren wrote: > > >i think you're forgetting what it was like when you first learned how to > >write programs - using 3rd-party libraries is something you do after you > >master the basics of the language. and you have to begin with learning to > >

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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005, Amit Aronovitch wrote: > And speaking of wiki pages - guy, did you read my comments on the wiki > pages (refs in prev post)? I got the impression that you prefer it all > bein done by mail - if you have trouble with that media I can post them > here. i read them - but i don

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Nir Soffer wrote: >> >> On the contrary - it might be even more relevant for first language >> course. Note that it is addressed to the lecturer, not the students. >> Since many teachers have the wrong concept of python variables, they >> tend to "spoil" the students: >> >> * They waste time on us

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guy keren wrote: >i think you're forgetting what it was like when you first learned how to >write programs - using 3rd-party libraries is something you do after you >master the basics of the language. and you have to begin with learning to >use simple things first. > > I'm sure I am - that was m

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On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 04:34 +0200, guy keren wrote: > the problem with writing things via the interactive prompt, is that they > "go away" when you log out. you can't look at a listing of your code (or > can you?) - you cannot re-edit a function (or can you?). > You can, see below. You can have p

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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Amit Aronovitch wrote: > On 10/29/05, RaeNye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Had this not been clear, I hereby join the do-it-with-the-interpreter > > lobby. > > Explaining them scripts will get you sys.argv parsing, which is prolly out > > of scope. > > Writing scripts is a

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On 10/29/05, RaeNye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Amit Aronovitch wrote:> Note that this mode of operation is completely platform independent.This means, of course, you need libreadline compiled for your platform.Unix/linux/*BSD have this OOB, but I couldn't find a decent readline.dll forwindows and

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Hi folks, Guy Keren wrote: >the problem with writing things via the interactive prompt, is that >they "go away" when you log out. you can't look at a listing of your >code (or can you?) - you cannot re-edit a function (or can you?). Using IDLE, both are possible. I personally prefer the bare in

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guy keren wrote: >the problem with writing things via the interactive prompt, is that they >"go away" when you log out. you can't look at a listing of your code (or >can you?) - you cannot re-edit a function (or can you?). > > > To the parenthesized questions - you can, with some IDE's, but not

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On Thursday 27 October 2005 02:05, Amit Aronovitch wrote: > Shlomi Fish wrote: > >Hi Amit! > > > >Is there any reason why you have the question marks? Did gmail.com not > > encode your mails as Quoted-Printable or Base64, and send them with the > > Hebrew letters as is? FYI, qmail and other mailers

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On Thursday 27 October 2005 05:08, guy keren wrote: > > I can hack an html2wiki for the transfer; it can be converted back > > when we are done if needed. > > > > * The Python-IL mediawiki is not quite hebrew-friendly at present. > > Putting up a small moinmoin sounds like best approach to me. >

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On 27 Oct, 2005, at 4:22, guy keren wrote: I tried to make the first 3 programs comparing list, array and deque more pythonic and example of best practice in general: * Don't repeat the same code more then once i think you're confus

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Beni Cherniavsky wrote: >On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 05:43 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > >>Hi Beni, guy and all! >> >>On Wednesday 26 October 2005 04:12, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: >> >> >>> * The Python-IL mediawiki is not quite hebrew-friendly at present. >>>Putting up a small moinmoin sounds

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Omer Zak wrote: >I would like to point out that the current state of art in computer >games is that it is not possible to write a cool (according to present >standards of coolness) game in an introductory programming course. > > That's not entirely correct anymore. Have a look for example in htt

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On 27 Oct, 2005, at 2:27, Amit Aronovitch wrote: Nir Soffer wrote: Its a nice article and relevant to people who know to program in other languages - but in this case it is NOT relevant, as the students don't have any background in other languages. For those students, unless they know some ot

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Nir Soffer wrote: > Its a nice article and relevant to people who know to program in other > languages - but in this case it is NOT relevant, as the students don't > have any background in other languages. For those students, unless > they know some other language, the Python way is the only way :

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On Wed, 26 Oct 2005, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: > On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 04:33 +0200, guy keren wrote: > > the current things i could be helped with are: > > > First, how do we work? you say "i am going to work on this thing". you take what is found currently, you write it, then you post it. > * Is

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Shlomi Fish wrote: >Hi Amit! > >Is there any reason why you have the question marks? Did gmail.com not encode >your mails as Quoted-Printable or Base64, and send them with the Hebrew >letters as is? FYI, qmail and other mailers tend to convert them all into >question marks in this case. > >Rega

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On Wed, 26 Oct 2005, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: > On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 01:23 +0200, guy keren wrote: > > > this course focuses about methodologies and good practices, and a lot of > > actual programming, about extra self-studying, and personal pace. i skip > > all the technicalities of C, and go di

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On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: > On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 18:52 +0200, Noam Raphael wrote: > > <אני מציע להשתמש בסביבת הפיתון האינטראקטיבית. כך אין צורך להתעסק עם > <ארגומנטים לתוכנית, אלא אפשר לקרוא מיד לפונקציות. חוץ מזה, זה מאפשר > <כשלומדים עוד דברים פשוט להוסיף פונקציות למודול

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i took a look on this book, and it does look interesting. i have to see how easy it would be to install the software - i didn't yet manage to get PyGame installed on my ancient redhat 7.3 ;) it does look like it makes things simpler then using PyGame directly. thanks for this interesting link.

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On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Nir Soffer wrote: > On 24 Oct, 2005, at 20:18, guy keren wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Nir Soffer wrote: > > > >> While reading > >> >> wardrobe/data-structures-and-python.html>, I noticed that the

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On 26 Oct, 2005, at 4:12, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 04:33 +0200, guy keren wrote: the current things i could be helped with are: First, how do we work? * Is the HTML hand-written or is it generated from something else? What do we send patches against? * I think work

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On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 05:43 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: > Hi Beni, guy and all! > > On Wednesday 26 October 2005 04:12, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: > > * The Python-IL mediawiki is not quite hebrew-friendly at present. > > Putting up a small moinmoin sounds like best approach to me. > > That's FU

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On 26 Oct, 2005, at 3:45, Amit Aronovitch wrote: small article about python variables: בפייתון אין משתנים   (I think it's relevant to people presenting first lessons in any python course). Its a nice article and relevant to people who know to program in other languages - but in this case i

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Hi Beni, guy and all! On Wednesday 26 October 2005 04:12, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: > On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 04:33 +0200, guy keren wrote: > > the current things i could be helped with are: > > First, how do we work? > > * Is the HTML hand-written or is it generated from something else? > What do w

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Hi Amit! Is there any reason why you have the question marks? Did gmail.com not encode your mails as Quoted-Printable or Base64, and send them with the Hebrew letters as is? FYI, qmail and other mailers tend to convert them all into question marks in this case. Regards, Shlomi Fish O

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On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 04:33 +0200, guy keren wrote: > the current things i could be helped with are: > First, how do we work? * Is the HTML hand-written or is it generated from something else? What do we send patches against? * I think working with plain text source is most convenient for

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Hi all,  I put some pages on the wiki. Both to facilitate future communication, and my comments (draft, but feel free to discuss them there). main page : קורס תכנות למתחילים (there is reference from the [[How Can I Help]] page) general comments: טיוטה של עמית small article about python variab

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On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 01:23 +0200, guy keren wrote: > On Sat, 22 Oct 2005, Nir Soffer wrote: > > > On 23 Oct, 2005, at 0:03, guy keren wrote: > > > <> קראתי קריאה מהירה את החומר שפרסמת פעם שעברה, לא מצאתי תשובות לשאלות <> בסיסיות כמו אלו (אבל אוליזה אשמתי): < > indeed - this is because i set u

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On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 18:52 +0200, Noam Raphael wrote: > On 10/24/05, guy keren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > * Avoid non relevant command line parsing code > > > > i had that in order to allow running the program with different > > parameters, without altering the code. it is true, however

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On 10/24/05, guy keren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * Don't repeat the same code more then once > > i think you're confusing 2 things here. i was demonstrating 3 _seperate_ > programs - so this is not code-repetition per-ce. > > > * Avoid non relevant command line parsing code > > i had that in o

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On 24 Oct, 2005, at 19:50, guy keren wrote: How about something having to do with robots?With robots you still can do pretty cool things after a short course. Here is an interesting example of a book called "Squeak: Learn Programming with Robots" . The boo

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On 24 Oct, 2005, at 20:18, guy keren wrote: On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Nir Soffer wrote: While reading , I noticed that the example code is not really in Python, I would call this code C i

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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Nir Soffer wrote: > While reading > wardrobe/data-structures-and-python.html>, I noticed that the example > code is not really in Python, I would call this code C in Python :-) no wonder, as i didn't lear

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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005, Nir Soffer wrote: > On 22 Oct, 2005, at 23:05, Omer Zak wrote: > > > How about something having to do with robots?With robots you still > > can > > do pretty cool things after a short course. > > Here is an interesting example of a book called "Squeak: Learn > Programming wit

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On 22 Oct, 2005, at 23:05, Omer Zak wrote: How about something having to do with robots? With robots you still can do pretty cool things after a short course. Here is an interesting example of a book called "Squeak: Learn Programming with Robots" . The b

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While reading , I noticed that the example code is not really in Python, I would call this code C in Python :-) I tried to make the first 3 programs comparing list, array and deque

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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Omer Zak wrote: > On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 04:42 +0200, guy keren wrote: > > > 2. if this year will go well, next year we'll teach them C. > > Why?If they are the same pupils, then teach them advanced topics in > Python programming. > C should be taught to those, who want/need e

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On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 04:42 +0200, guy keren wrote: > On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Omer Zak wrote: > > Lego kits? > > Other robot kits? > > Look for someone who will start an electronics club to run in parallel > > with your Python course? > > Does the school already have an electronics club (or even robot

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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Omer Zak wrote: > On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 04:13 +0200, guy keren wrote: > > On Sat, 22 Oct 2005, Omer Zak wrote: > > > I would like to point out that the current state of art in computer > > > games is that it is not possible to write a cool (according to present > > > standard

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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Nir Soffer wrote: > On 23 Oct, 2005, at 1:23, guy keren wrote: > > > > well, state what you want and can do in advance, so i'll concentrate on > > something else. > > יהיה יותר יעיל אם תעשה רשימה מטלות כדי שמי שרוצה לעזור יוכל לקחת על > עצמו. the current things i could be he

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On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 04:13 +0200, guy keren wrote: > On Sat, 22 Oct 2005, Omer Zak wrote: > > I would like to point out that the current state of art in computer > > games is that it is not possible to write a cool (according to present > > standards of coolness) game in an introductory programmin

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On 23 Oct, 2005, at 1:23, guy keren wrote: well, state what you want and can do in advance, so i'll concentrate on something else. יהיה יותר יעיל אם תעשה רשימה מטלות כדי שמי שרוצה לעזור יוכל לקחת על עצמו. ניר סופר ִ

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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Nir Soffer wrote: > On 22 Oct, 2005, at 23:05, Omer Zak wrote: > > > I would like to point out that the current state of art in computer > > games is that it is notpossible to write a cool (according to present > > standards of coolness) game in an introductory programming co

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On Sat, 22 Oct 2005, Omer Zak wrote: > On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 01:23 +0200, guy keren wrote: > > because i wanted the course to be fun, and kids love games - so writing > > games is the theme of the course. it is much better then writing programs > > for the sake of learning a programming languagea

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On 22 Oct, 2005, at 23:05, Omer Zak wrote: because i wanted the course to be fun, and kids love games - so writing games is the theme of the course. it is much better then writing programs for the sake of learning a programming language and for the sake of learning programming abstractions wi

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On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 01:23 +0200, guy keren wrote: > because i wanted the course to be fun, and kids love games - so writing > games is the theme of the course. it is much better then writing programs > for the sake of learning a programming language and for the sake of > learning programming abst

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On Sat, 22 Oct 2005, Nir Soffer wrote: > On 23 Oct, 2005, at 0:03, guy keren wrote: > > > i started writing a reference manual for the python course (not that > > anyone here seems to care, but i felt like giving it a last try), and > > added it on my quite-temporary page. just to give a basic ide

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On 23 Oct, 2005, at 0:03, guy keren wrote: i started writing a reference manual for the python course (not that anyone here seems to care, but i felt like giving it a last try), and added it on my quite-temporary page. just to give a basic idea of how i want it to look. http://users.actcom.co

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i started writing a reference manual for the python course (not that anyone here seems to care, but i felt like giving it a last try), and added it on my quite-temporary page. just to give a basic idea of how i want it to look. http://users.actcom.co.il/~choo/python/ 2nd link. -- guy "For worl