Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Fri, Dec 08, 2017 at 12:58:28PM +0100, 'Tom Zander' via qubes-users wrote: > On Friday, 8 December 2017 11:50:07 CET Unman wrote: > > Anyway, I don't want to labour the point. > > Enough people seem to like the Manager style approach to make it worth > > putting something like it into 4.0. > >

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Friday, 8 December 2017 14:56:00 CET Chris Laprise wrote: > > I also know that the “state of the art” in creating user interfaces has > > moved on and the technology used in the old app is end-of-lifed for some > > years now. > > Which end-of-life technology would that be? In Qt5 (released 19

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 12:09:41 AM UTC-5, Chris Laprise wrote: > On 12/07/2017 12:17 PM, 'Tom Zander' via qubes-users wrote: > > On Thursday, 7 December 2017 14:17:52 CET Franz wrote: > >>> On another note what would it take ($$$) for someone to create this back > >>> on 4 as an option for

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On 12/08/2017 04:29 AM, 'Tom Zander' via qubes-users wrote: On Friday, 8 December 2017 06:09:32 CET Chris Laprise wrote: There is the question of whether someone should try porting the original Qt-based Qubes Manager to R4.0. I mention this since the biggest complaint so far is not having a

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Fri, Dec 08, 2017 at 01:17:10AM -0300, Franz wrote: > On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Unman wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 01:29:32AM -0300, Franz wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Unman > > wrote: > > > > > > > On

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

> > Here are some things these users DONT want to do: > Start a qube > Stop a qube > Start a disposableVM > Look in the manager to see if there are updates. at least a bit of the inner working must be known: disp vm is useful and you have to stop a qube that you don't use to

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Friday, 8 December 2017 06:09:32 CET Chris Laprise wrote: > What I want > to say is that people that do not like to experiment with computer just > memorize what they are told and always do the same steps just happy that > it works. I fully agree with that and it mirrors my observations.

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Friday, 8 December 2017 06:09:32 CET Chris Laprise wrote: > There is the question of whether someone should try porting the original > Qt-based Qubes Manager to R4.0. I mention this since the biggest > complaint so far is not having a _comprehensive_ UI; Updating QM for the > new Qubes API

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On 12/07/2017 12:17 PM, 'Tom Zander' via qubes-users wrote: On Thursday, 7 December 2017 14:17:52 CET Franz wrote: On another note what would it take ($$$) for someone to create this back on 4 as an option for the community (obviously theres quite a few of us) that want this to install? Im not

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On 12/07/2017 11:17 PM, Franz wrote: 4 four mouths ago she was raged against Qubes being to difficult (for some reason when she plugs a usb key into the slot it stopped working) FWIW, I get this also. In my case some USB3 drives with buggy firmware can prevent the system from booting.

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Wednesday, 6 December 2017 23:34:21 UTC+11, Tom Zander wrote: > On Wednesday, 6 December 2017 13:02:43 CET Franz wrote: > > Sorry for the obviously stupid question, but why is it harder to write it > > in python rather than something else? > > Not at all, its a good question. > > It is

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

I installed my new drive on my laptop and put 3.2 on there and just updated the kernels and fixed so it would boot properly. Alot more time consuming and now working out the minor fixes. All in all its still a pain that first i found the kernel was too old for 3.2 to be installed so i

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

mikihonz...@gmail.com: >> Of course, if people want a GUI manager they can produce one - equally >> people who don't want one can use command line tools or scripts to >> provide the functionality they want. >> > That's the point. Since I cannot write one myself, I stopped using qubes > because my

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Thursday, 7 December 2017 14:17:52 CET Franz wrote: > > On another note what would it take ($$$) for someone to create this back > > on 4 as an option for the community (obviously theres quite a few of us) > > that want this to install? > > > > Im not rich by any means living in one bedroom

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On 8 December 2017 at 00:16, Unman wrote: > Backup/restore is already on the target list. > What doesnt seem to be at the moment is the ability to show all qubes, > and how they are connected, and what their status is. That's a nice > target. > If by "status" you

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 08:06:49AM -0800, r...@tuta.io wrote: > Ok well talking about 2 features when theres more then 2 features that users > prefer. > > Backups and restoring backups should be a definite. > > When dealing with net VMs the ability to watch which VM is attached to which >

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

Ok well talking about 2 features when theres more then 2 features that users prefer. Backups and restoring backups should be a definite. When dealing with net VMs the ability to watch which VM is attached to which netvm and what is running properly and didnt shutdown. Same features as even

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 07:46:31AM -0800, r...@tuta.io wrote: > The manager isnt a distraction. You dont need to focus on it if you choose > not too. Your needs are very basic showing peoples emails. For those of us > that use it for work and get others we work with to use it also it is >

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

Additionally I would rather donate money to devs that can work on what i need added back on here as a priority rather than donate to the project itself that doesnt see these things as a priority. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users"

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

The manager isnt a distraction. You dont need to focus on it if you choose not too. Your needs are very basic showing peoples emails. For those of us that use it for work and get others we work with to use it also it is important. Clearly plenty others here prefer the manager and you keep

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 01:29:32AM -0300, Franz wrote: > On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Unman wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 05:13:56PM +0100, 'Tom Zander' via qubes-users > > wrote: > > > On Wednesday, 6 December 2017 16:08:28 CET Unman wrote: > > > > "useful,

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 8:29 AM, wrote: > On another note what would it take ($$$) for someone to create this back > on 4 as an option for the community (obviously theres quite a few of us) > that want this to install? > > Im not rich by any means living in one bedroom apt and work

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On another note what would it take ($$$) for someone to create this back on 4 as an option for the community (obviously theres quite a few of us) that want this to install? Im not rich by any means living in one bedroom apt and work from home but this does help me with work and would donate

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

3.2 also doesnt have current drivers updated for new equipment. I couldn't get 3.2 installed on my new setup but 4 installed. Saying its supported doesnt say much if cant handle new equipment and just old machines. I save alot of time using qubes as I need to deploy VMs all the time for

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12/07/2017 04:56 AM, mikihonz...@gmail.com wrote: > I stopped using qubes because my use case depends on it. > Loved 3.2 A truly great software. 3.2 is the STABLE version of Qubes. And it will be supported for a full year AFTER the 4.0

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On 7 December 2017 at 12:57, Chris Laprise wrote: > I myself find it strange and frustrating using Qubes VMs without the > visual reminders for the templates they're based on, updates, last backup > date, etc. If I need to see the template for a VM, going into VM settings >

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On 12/06/2017 11:29 PM, Franz wrote: On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Unman > wrote: On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 05:13:56PM +0100, 'Tom Zander' via qubes-users wrote: > On Wednesday, 6 December 2017 16:08:28 CET Unman

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 4:14:32 AM UTC, Elias Mårtenson wrote: > On Thursday, 7 December 2017 11:56:13 UTC+8, mikih...@gmail.com wrote: > > > I stopped using qubes because my use case depends on it. > > I'm not going to judge the way you use the software, but I am curious > as to what

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Unman wrote: > On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 05:13:56PM +0100, 'Tom Zander' via qubes-users > wrote: > > On Wednesday, 6 December 2017 16:08:28 CET Unman wrote: > > > "useful, but wasnt any good" - do you mean buggy or poorly designed? > > >

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Thursday, 7 December 2017 11:56:13 UTC+8, mikih...@gmail.com wrote: > I stopped using qubes because my use case depends on it. I'm not going to judge the way you use the software, but I am curious as to what kind of use case you have that made the VM manages so important that you literally

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

> Of course, if people want a GUI manager they can produce one - equally > people who don't want one can use command line tools or scripts to > provide the functionality they want. > That's the point. Since I cannot write one myself, I stopped using qubes because my use case depends on it. Some

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 01:00:01AM +, a.mcwh...@yandex.com wrote: > I will support that point of view. > Could we please have a choice to stay with the manager or to use > console/whatever? > Thank you. > > > On December 6, 2017 10:54:26 PM UTC, Chris Laprise wrote: >

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 10:41:23PM +0100, Tom Zander wrote: > On Wednesday, 6 December 2017 19:28:54 CET Unman wrote: > > > the main reason the old one is removed seems to be that it > > > would have had to be reimplemented due to the architecture changes in > > > 4.0 > > > Tom, this is simply

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

I will support that point of view. Could we please have a choice to stay with the manager or to use console/whatever? Thank you. On December 6, 2017 10:54:26 PM UTC, Chris Laprise wrote: >On 12/06/2017 10:29 AM, r...@tuta.io wrote: >> The manager was the main thing I liked

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On 12/06/2017 10:29 AM, r...@tuta.io wrote: The manager was the main thing I liked about how it helped show what was going on at any given time. Especially when running mulitple vms attached to different VPNs, Tor, etc.. Im a visual person and having this made it feel safe and secure to watch

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Wednesday, 6 December 2017 19:28:54 CET Unman wrote: > > the main reason the old one is removed seems to be that it > > would have had to be reimplemented due to the architecture changes in > > 4.0 > Tom, this is simply not true. > If you look at issue #2132 That issue actually supports the

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 05:13:56PM +0100, 'Tom Zander' via qubes-users wrote: > On Wednesday, 6 December 2017 16:08:28 CET Unman wrote: > > "useful, but wasnt any good" - do you mean buggy or poorly designed? > > What 2 features should be implemented/fixed? > > > > I confess I rarely use the

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Wednesday, 6 December 2017 17:34:24 CET Elias Mårtenson wrote: > I had a script that updated the templatevms and it was written in Python, > taking advantage of the API. This script stopped working in 4.0. I rewrote > it to use the commandline tools instead. > > Perhaps a new UI could also be

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Thursday, 7 December 2017 00:14:04 UTC+8, Tom Zander wrote: > On Wednesday, 6 December 2017 16:08:28 CET Unman wrote: > > "useful, but wasnt any good" - do you mean buggy or poorly designed? > > What 2 features should be implemented/fixed? > > > > I confess I rarely use the Manager, so

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

Here are some use cases: 1) The ability to see all the VMs currently running in one easy spot. This helps me remember to shutdown certain VMs that I forgot to shutdown when I was done with them. 2) The ability to know which template VMs need updating. 3) Related to 2, which appVMs need to restart

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Wednesday, 6 December 2017 16:08:28 CET Unman wrote: > "useful, but wasnt any good" - do you mean buggy or poorly designed? > What 2 features should be implemented/fixed? > > I confess I rarely use the Manager, so don't have a feel for what's wrong > with it. To be clear, the main reason the

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 06:24:42AM -0800, Elias Mårtenson wrote: > On Wednesday, 6 December 2017 21:58:56 UTC+8, Unman wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 03:34:25PM -0800, r...@tuta.io wrote: > > > Just read it. Thats fucking stupid. > > > > > > -- > > > > I think it's safe to say that

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Wednesday, 6 December 2017 21:58:56 UTC+8, Unman wrote: > On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 03:34:25PM -0800, r...@tuta.io wrote: > > Just read it. Thats fucking stupid. > > > > -- > > I think it's safe to say that opinion is divided on the removal. I liked the old tool. However, I am also on the

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 03:34:25PM -0800, r...@tuta.io wrote: > Just read it. Thats fucking stupid. > > -- I think it's safe to say that opinion is divided on the removal. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Wednesday, 6 December 2017 13:02:43 CET Franz wrote: > Sorry for the obviously stupid question, but why is it harder to write it > in python rather than something else? Not at all, its a good question. It is harder to *have* to write it in python instead of any langauge any developer may be

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:22 AM, 'Tom Zander' via qubes-users < qubes-users@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, 6 December 2017 08:14:44 CET taii...@gmx.com wrote: > > On 12/04/2017 06:34 PM, r...@tuta.io wrote: > > > Just read it. Thats fucking stupid. > > > > Sure is, I am tired of the

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Wednesday, 6 December 2017 08:14:44 CET taii...@gmx.com wrote: > On 12/04/2017 06:34 PM, r...@tuta.io wrote: > > Just read it. Thats fucking stupid. > > Sure is, I am tired of the linux greybeard obsession with the CLI - it > is not always the best choice. > > When it comes to management of

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On 12/04/2017 06:34 PM, r...@tuta.io wrote: Just read it. Thats fucking stupid. Sure is, I am tired of the linux greybeard obsession with the CLI - it is not always the best choice. When it comes to management of many virtual machines a GUI is a must to speed tasks and avoid 3AM critical

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Monday, 4 December 2017 16:38:12 CET r...@tuta.io wrote: > Vm manager... It has been reduced to a single icon in your system tray. Some features have been moved elsewhere (start menu has a config item per VM) some are command-line only. -- Tom Zander Blog: https://zander.github.io Vlog:

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

Just read it. Thats fucking stupid. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email

Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 07:37:23AM -0800, r...@tuta.io wrote: > Is it renamed or somewhere different? > It has been removed - you can review the rationale behind this on Github - look at Qubes Issues #2132 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups