To my untrained eye, this looks better than horizontal.Thanks Pete!-Jim W.-Original Message-
From: P Merryman <merry...@gmail.com>
Sent: May 8, 2010 6:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Sorry I'm a month late posting, I'm "
Sorry I'm a month late posting, I'm catching up on a few months of
non-lurking. Anyway, wanted to point out that, if I'm reading this right,
Riv has done it before. From the web-archive.org of the Riv site:
Thanks for the link. Great looking bike
From: P Merryman merry...@gmail.com
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Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 5:57:40 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Sorry I'm a month late posting, I'm catching up on a few months of
non
Double top tubes seem fairly common here in Singapore. I've see quite
a few. Many are old and made by Raleigh. They all seem to have seen
years of use. People just ride them to get where they are going.
Rivendell may have a more world view of bikes. I like the way they
look and seem to take a
snip
It seems to me that because of the long top tubes most of Rivendells
frames are not designed for drop bars. With the long top tubes you
need bars that come back towards you to provide a comfortable reach.
Agreed.
If you've got the long arms, then a slightly shorter stem (Nitto Dirt
Riv frames have in the past typically had shorter TT's. I've read many
complaints about this. It's good they've made some longer ones now.
They have sufficient variety in frames to fit about anyone.
Longer TT's are perfect for using Albatross bars and such. To me a
bike is better balanced with a
I'd sure like to see a photo of those reversed Alba bars. Do you have any? Or
a link? Are you using thumb shifters?
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Subject: [RBW] Re
to see a photo of those reversed Alba bars. Do you have any?
Or a link? Are you using thumb shifters?
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Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 7:17:34 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
, for taking the time to look those pix up for me. Those are
nice looking bikes.
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Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 4:53:14 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed
It would likely look really similar to a 1993 XO-3
Like this:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com
It looks rather odd like that .. like the diagonal tube should be
extended. Loss of a prime bottle spot? Curious.
I'm with Rene .. I'm really really glad to have a Bombadil :)
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While maybe less aesthetically pleasing than the camper, this design
is probably lighter and just as stout and stable. Plus, most of the
time, you will be looking at the bike from atop it!
Oliver
On May 4, 6:23 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
That's the concept that I liked; the
That design sure looks like this photoshop proto by Marty:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32306...@n07/4492630025/in/pool-1358...@n23
My PBH is on the cusp of 54/58. I test rode both last Saturday. Both
are great handling, stable bikes but I prefer the 58. The 54 feels
just a little cramped for my
Will the 54 still be a single top tube or will it have the diagonal
tube also?
If what Keven says is true I should get the 54 also ( 86 PBH but long
torso/arms).
Any news on the delivery date of the final production versions?
~Mike~
On May 4, 11:04 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
Michael
The 54 will absolutely be a single top tube. When Keven said that the
54 will be 1.5 cm longer, it did not occur to me to ask if the first
prototypes were built 1.5cm too short or if they changed the number
from the PDF file on the Riv site to 1.5cm longer.
With my PBH of 87, standing
Mike
I'm a terrible double-replyer, so I'm sorry about that. I just called
Keven and he said that the 54 and 58 prototypes were built correctly
to the numbers that are currently on the Riv-site. The finals will be
longer, so the numbers are changing. The Hunqa numbers claim that the
54 has a
That is roughly how my 60 Bombadil fits me, although I believe that with the
Marathon Supreme 700x50 I actually get about 1 inch. (I ride a 61
AHH). Still, when I straddle the bike I can feel the top tube right in
there. I get the extra lift by pushing hard against my bones just like
Grant states
That would be too long for me, as the Bombadil 60 has a top tube of 61 and I
wouldn't be able to use a shorter frame. The 54 would end up being quite
low, forcing a lot of seat post/stem to show to reach the right height and
bar/saddle height ratio...
I guess that will still keep my best fitted
Rene
Your 60cm Bombadil has an effective top tube length of 63cm. So the
58cm Hunqapillar will be 1cm shorter in reach than your Bombadil, and
the 58cm Hunqapillar will have 2cm more standover clearance than your
Bombadil. Seems like the 58 Hunqa fits nicely between a 56 Bomba and
a 60 Bomba.
Rene: William is right- the *actual* TT length on the 60cm B'dil is
61cm, but the theoretical horizontal measurement is 63cm
On May 4, 5:21 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought I read in the Bomba's geometry chart that the horizontal top
tube was 61cm. I'll recheck it
On May 4, 12:47 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
Mike
I'm a terrible double-replyer, so I'm sorry about that. I just called
Keven and he said that the 54 and 58 prototypes were built correctly
to the numbers that are currently on the Riv-site. The finals will be
longer, so the
On May 4, 10:40 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
on 5/4/10 6:23 AM, Rene Sterental at orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
That's the concept that I liked; the long diagonal.
Breezers (original like that one) had a long diagonal (i.e. headtube to rear
dropout), but they were separate
I'm pretty stoked about the longer tt. The 58 was the right length, but not
enough standover. Plus I didn't want the double tt (I like flexy bikes!).
The 54 had the right standover, but wasn't long enough. Voila, now a 54 is
back in play for me!
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 3:27 PM, happyriding
Not awful but I am glad I ride a smaller frame.
On May 3, 6:54 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
The Hunqapage on the Rivsite now has a photo of the design sheet for
the Diagonal 2TT.
http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/hunqapillar/50-713
In related news, Grant's post about the
I'll want to see the finished product but I like it better.
Also he mentioned the next batch of Sam's... side pulls in big sizes
and Canti equipped Waterford built frames too.
~Mike~
On May 3, 5:47 pm, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote:
Hey,
Looks like a Joe Breeze mountain bike from
I once thought Rivendell bikes were ugly and look at me now... like we say in
Venezuela... ¡Nunca
digas que de esta agua no beberé!
And I, like usual, find myself thinking the opposite...saying that
without knowing spanish, but longing for the pre-double-toptube days.
No disrespect
.
Massachusetts
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
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Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 9:05 AM
If they're going diagonal . what do they do
.
Massachusetts
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
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Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 9:05 AM
If they're going diagonal . what do they do
.
Massachusetts
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
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Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 9:05 AM
If they're going diagonal
the water bottles. In particular, a touring bike
should have multiple, easily available water bottles. Jim D.
Massachusetts
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
To: RBW Owners
. Jim D.
Massachusetts
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
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Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 9:05 AM
If they're
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If they're going diagonal . what do they do about water bottles
?
Design is one thing, but what about practicality
slam home run.
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Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:04 PM
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Just an opinion, and not meant to insult anyone
multiple, easily available water bottles. Jim D.
Massachusetts
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
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Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 9:05
Good point about the water bottles. In particular, a touring bike should have
multiple, easily available water bottles. Jim D.
Massachusetts
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Wow! I like this idea, especially since it would be different from
other Rivendells and other bikes. I hope they do it. I wonder if
they'll do the same for the smaller sizes.
On Apr 5, 9:01 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
No choice Grant and Keven make is going to make everybody happy.
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 7:58 PM
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
I'm owning up. It's me that has the refund. Mainly due to the
thought that this is not the bike I pre-ordered. It may be good, but
not what I was lead to expect from the inital .pdf. The new bike
If they're going diagonal . what do they do about water bottles ?
Design is one thing, but what about practicality?
While I agree with GP that triangles look better, and bicycles are all
about triangles .. more of them doesn't necessarily mean better.
Double top tubes parallel
looks
As a Bombadil owner I didn't see the point of copying the design and
making it $500 cheaper in Taiwan, even though I wish the Bombadil
sizes were adjusted to match the new proposed Hunqa sizes.
With you on that. The Hilborne does Hilsen things but its design is
notably different. I had
On Apr 6, 2:34 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
I will apologize first, but do think this triangapillar is just
taking the discussion to a silly level.
Somewhat. But from an engineering standpoint, three triangles are
stronger than two. So technically, it is a stronger design
From what I've read that affects the handling--negatively. A
large frame should have a 12, 13, or 14 cm stem so that one's weight
is distributed properly between the front and rear. It seems like the
Bombadil was designed for mustache bars that extend backwards, but how
does that affect
: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Just an opinion, and not meant to insult anyone...but that is the
ugliest bike I've ever seen. Sorry. Just one opinion.
I suspect one reason Rivendell might like to do the diagonal 2tt is
marketing: it helps differentiate the Hunaqpillar from the Bombadil--
even
From: Marty mgie...@mac.com
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Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:06:11 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Here's my crude mock-up to show what seems to be the diagonal
direction, with water bottle bosses and graphics relocated
be
disagreements), it is a grand slam home run.
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Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:04 PM
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Just an opinion
Wow-- great mock up! I'll admit that it is much better than I expected
it to look, but i still don't get it. I am sure it is stronger, but
how much and is it necessary and isn't the Bomba pretty darn strong
with the parallel tt's? There are definite disadvantages to the
design, including bottle
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:48 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
When I portage my Hillborne up and down the long steps of the South
Hayward Bart station, I grab it hard on the seat tube and loop my
thumb into the top loop of the King cage that is bolted to the seat
tube. If I'm wearing
Bill
Yeah, luggage style. My BART bike tends to be in the 45-50lb range
loaded with all my work related stuff. My shoulder couldn't take
that.
other Bill
On Apr 5, 10:14 am, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:48 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
When I
On Apr 5, 11:14 am, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote:
In my case, there are at
least a couple of places around town where trail access involves a
long staircase or (on one offroad trail) a long log crossing, so i
shoulder the bike, cyclocross-style. I don't use a tt-mounted pump on
most
Luggage style makes sense in that scenario, no matter the weight -
having a bike swinging around near head height in crowds might make
people nervous :-)
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:27 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
Bill
Yeah, luggage style. My BART bike tends to be in the 45-50lb
Eric,
Riv isn't going to make any drastic changes to the Hunq, or else
they'd have to call it something else.
What you see here is pure fantasy. One thought about TT's not being
parallel and all of the sudden we have a whole new frame?
Nah.
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On Apr 5, 9:51 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:
Eric,
Riv isn't going to make any drastic changes to the Hunq, or else
they'd have to call it something else.
What you see here is pure fantasy. One thought about TT's not being
parallel and all of the sudden we have a whole new frame?
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On Apr 5, 9:51 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:
Eric,
Riv isn't going to make any drastic changes to the Hunq, or else
they'd
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:48, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
Oh, yeah. Here is james black's suggested tube orientation--the two
triangles are better than one geometry:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/49416...@n00/4494282750/
Thanks for mocking that up! It doesn't look as good as I had
Danged! If that diagonal tube had been on the docket last week during
the pre-deal, it might well have pushed me over the edge!
FWIW, I saw a campeur in a (cool) shop in Paris last year - Rando Cycles
http://www.flickr.com/photos/66275...@n00/4494454218/
... I think it was the owner's bike.
I like all of the tt configurations imagined here, far better than the
parallel... This bike is meant to be a beast! The extra structure is
interesting and functional. Cool like interesting duthh bikes.
Unique l! Diagonal-ize!
On Apr 5, 11:08 am, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote:
On
On Apr 5, 12:08 pm, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:48, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
Oh, yeah. Here is james black's suggested tube orientation--the two
triangles are better than one geometry:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/49416...@n00/4494282750/
And here's the fantasy decal for the Diagonpillar:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/4494550338/
On Apr 5, 11:52 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
I like all of the tt configurations imagined here, far better than the
parallel... This bike is meant to be a beast! The extra
On Apr 5, 1:06 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
And here's the fantasy decal for the Diagonpillar:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/4494550338/
Ha ha ha!
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Just read that myself. It seems like some hard feelings are being
formed.
On Apr 5, 3:28 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
.and Grant posted about the various opinions, and indicated that
one refund was given already. I think that's too bad, but nobody
should buy a bike that they
i hope there's no serious hard feeligns..
the new design is just that, a new design. it's different than what
was initially shown during the presale and all the here's da hunka
stuff. If someone doesn't like the changes ( i haven't made up my mind
yet ), I don't see anything wrong with them
I think it's a waste of energy to get upset about something like
this. First, it's a bicycle. Bicycles are fun. Second, if you're
upset about it, give it a few days and see if you still feel the same
way. It's going to be a nice bike.
On Apr 5, 1:50 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com
Man...it sure must be nice to have a PBH above 75. All the choices you
75+ PBHers have in bike frames makes me delirious and jealous and
still not tall.
Meanwhile, on back on the little ol' Betty (whichfunny isn't
it..the Hunq is beginning to ever-so-slightly
resemble...muhuhuwahahaha.)
If I had a deposit, I'd keep it in there until one of these comes off
the boat. I'll bet they'll look pretty awesome. Having ridden the
prototypes, I'll say that they are SOLID. This diagonal-fest will
only make them more solid. And more awesome.
And these were never svelte bikes. They are
I'm owning up. It's me that has the refund. Mainly due to the
thought that this is not the bike I pre-ordered. It may be good, but
not what I was lead to expect from the inital .pdf. The new bike is
also too jarring to me visually.
Sorry to the list if I've made too much and lead to discord.
Eric-- I say good move and I think most people (including the people
at Riv (warning: speculation)) would do the same thing and that most,
good, honest businesses would WANT to give you your money back. There
is no blame here-- you ordered something and it changed and you no
longer wanted it. That
Here's my crude mock-up to show what seems to be the diagonal
direction, with water bottle bosses and graphics relocated. Kind of
liking it...but keep in mind this is only my interpretation of what
has been mentioned. As Grants says, it's Keven's call.
http://tinyurl.com/yebexd2
Marty
On Apr 5,
It sounds very cool. I'm glad to hear it's a real thing- it'll make
the Hunqapillar that much more unique.
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That is quite an interesting concept... and I like your mock-up! Doesn't
seem crude at all.
René
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Here's my crude mock-up to show what seems to be the diagonal
direction, with water bottle bosses and graphics relocated. Kind of
liking it...but keep in mind this is only my interpretation of what
has been mentioned. As Grants
I love it. I'd put $ down on one, made like that. :)
Thanks for the Monday morning pick-me-up.
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Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:38:52 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
OK - here
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Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:06:11 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Here's my crude mock-up to show what seems to be the diagonal
direction, with water bottle bosses and graphics
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Here's my crude mock-up to show what seems to be the diagonal
direction, with water bottle bosses and graphics relocated. Kind of
liking it...but keep in mind this is only my
Marty's Campeur Hunqa actually looks pretty good. The other one...
not so much. I have a feeling the Campeur model would be a little
more complicated to produce and so would jack up the price. I also
like the bike the way it is with parallel TTs. It'll be interesting to
see how this pans out.
Mid-head tube to mid-seat tube makes more sense to me than the
parallel top tubes. Imagine a frame built with only the diagonal
tube, no top tube or down tube. If you grabbed the head tube and seat
tube and tried to twist them side to side so that they were not
parallel, the diagonal tube would
The mockups are really helpful, thanks for putting them together. I
have to say, i greatly prefer the look of parallel top tubes, if a
double TT is the plan, but i'm not on the Hunq list, so my vote is
more theoretical.
Two other observations in this discussion though:
This is the second Riv
Having looked at the first mockup, I'm not convinced. Jars my view
too much. Also makes it look like it's a fatty bike. Fine. I'm
fat. That's been established. Don't like the idea that I'm stuck
riding a special bike.
With full-length twin laterals, ala the Singer camping, or the
original
Just an opinion, and not meant to insult anyone...but that is the
ugliest bike I've ever seen. Sorry. Just one opinion.
I suspect one reason Rivendell might like to do the diagonal 2tt is
marketing: it helps differentiate the Hunaqpillar from the Bombadil--
even if it doesn't improve on it.
Can't decide if I have a preference between the parallel vs. the
diagonal 2nd top tube. Aesthetically, I didn't like the 2nd top tube
at all when the first Bombadil pictures dropped. Now I don't mind
it. In fact I kind of like how it looks. I kind of think that the
diagonal 2tt might grow on me in
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Just an opinion, and not meant to insult anyone...but that is the
ugliest bike I've ever seen. Sorry. Just one opinion.
I suspect one reason Rivendell might like to do
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 10:48 AM
The mockups are really helpful, thanks for putting them together. I
have to say, i greatly prefer the look of parallel top tubes, if a
double TT is the plan, but i'm not on the Hunq list
I like the idea.
On Apr 4, 9:52 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
No Kevin, don't do it.
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
Fits the bike. Truly unique.
Esteban
San Diego, Calif.
On Apr 4, 9:30 pm, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com
parallel with the down tube might look pretty snazzy.
best,
andrew
On Apr 4, 2010, at 9:52 PM, cyclotourist wrote:
No Kevin, don't do it.
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
Fits the bike. Truly unique.
Esteban
San Diego, Calif.
On Apr 4, 9:30 pm,
I wonder if there is a drawing, mock up, or other bike out there with
this config? It sounds kinda weird to me, but seeing it might change
everything.
cheers!
cm
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