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Recumbents are an excellent change-of-pace from uprights..I think all serious riders should try one at least once. I have a trike which I enjoy very much. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 6:54:25 AM UTC-7, stevef wrote: > > > On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 1:28 AM, erik jensen wrot

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On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 1:28 AM, erik jensen wrote: > this thread started before i left to ride my atlantis across the cascades > and elsewhere, and i return to see it continues... > > ...What have all the posters in this thread been doing? I'd much rather > hear about that. > > Ride on, > > erik

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I agree..we should get back on topic. Just Ride is great, Rivendells are great, I love everbody. Joe "carbon forks are stupid" Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Saturday, July 14, 2012 10:10:45 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote: > Well put Erik. Are you going to grace us with a report about your > tour? Pictures? I

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Well put Erik. Are you going to grace us with a report about your tour? Pictures? I see there are some on your blog, I hope you post more. Bummed we couldn't have met up when you were in my neck of the woods. >From looking at your blog it looks like you made it into Gifford Pinchot NF. Lots of gre

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Thanks Eric! I was tempted to write something similar, but you nailed it. I really dislike seeing this sort of persistent digression over such a long time, but it think it is almost unavoidable. I refer to this process as "Thread Entropy". It starts with "OT drift", which opens the door to

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> > Just to keep every happy, I rode my quickbeam today. Sitting at > Starbucks right now and it's leaning against the window. Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@go

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Well, since you asked... I spent last night replacing my 7cm Nitto Tech stem for a 9cm Nitto lugged stem, first ride with the new setup is this morning. Yay! On Saturday, July 14, 2012 12:28:04 AM UTC-5, bicyc...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > *What have all the posters in this thread been doin

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i'm one of the lucky ones out west i think, but i gotta say it was pure suffering making it across the valley between the cascades and the ocean range in oregon. s hot, and even then just 95 degrees or so. i put my head down and got through there in one day rather than stick around for multiple

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Agreed, shame it is an Ozone alert and pea soup humidity in NYC which made riding tonight crappy, wasnt worth taking pics since they would have been hazed over anyway. I remembered Grant's advice to not beat yourself up about not riding as much as you might want and headed home halfway through to

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this thread started before i left to ride my atlantis across the cascades and elsewhere, and i return to see it continues. that's funny! anyone who has read this list always knows that there are always going to be people who pop in to troll or otherwise; posts of the sort "look at me, i like ALL b

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Every type of part or frame that can be used to make or accessorize a bicycle can break. As my mechanic Mongo says, bikes are a wear item. Even things made of lugged steel break more often than some here might believe. I have never been impressed by CF, mostly because it doesn't fit my personal

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I have friend that had her carbon fork collapse on a long steady descent. She augered her face into the pavement. Her hands were completely uninjured, that's how fast it happened. She has partial use of her hands now but not enough to roll her wheel chair. Small probability, huge consequences. E

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Forgot to add that I *have*& broken a steel fork but it let me down gently, I have never ridden crabon fibre. On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:49 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Scott: Here's some solidarity for you. I have owned four Rivs (3 > customs, one Sam Hill) and still have the two later customs, bo

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Scott: Here's some solidarity for you. I have owned four Rivs (3 customs, one Sam Hill) and still have the two later customs, both fixed gears, one with fat (32 mm) tires, dynolight and rack, t'other a stripper gofast (just did a brief hilly ride and it is FUN!). I do agree with the other poster th

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I have a friend who had a carbon frame break (madone right at the bottom bracket, bike was unrideable, he was bummed), have witnessed a carbon fork break at speed (dude went away in an ambulance; frame and fork was toast. A stick in the road came up and took out both fork arms. The accident hap

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Well we are all adults here and people can talk all the shit they want about anything, CF, ALU, steel and yes even Rivendells and I doubt anyone needs a shepherd so they don't start believing the "wrong" thing. Unless you make or sell CF rigs not sure why this is getting so personal. I doubt any

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Uh, I have a problem with the CF fork because it's a shock-absorbing device attached to the front wheel that snaps if something goes wrong with it. It seems like a ridiculous application of the material to me. I'm less concerned about CF for the frame..the loads are spread out more, and a broke

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Brewster Fong Seriously? I didn't say I'm afraid of Carbon Forks. I didn't say anything bad about carbon. Did you even read what I posted? I said that when people gripe against carbon, I take it as concern for the well being of cyclists. I've ridden a carbon frame and a few carbon forks,

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I have no problems talking about Rivs, I do it routinely. I have a problem talking bad about carbon because someone told you not to like it. A bike is a bike. Ride them all. Don't talk anyone out of riding anything. And personally, I like obnoxious women. Scott On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:4

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Absolutely this is a Rivendell list. And I own a Quickbeam and I bought the book (and give it a moderate review). But I also have a Cannondale CAAD 6 too. And a Trek OCLV and a Kogswell P and a Schwinn unicycle and tandem and many more, my favorite is my Handsome Speedy. They are all bikes and

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Not sure where you got slow comfort bikes from. As for talking about rivs.. It is the Rivendell group ... So do you complain on the Ford group that they don't like Chevys. Probably.. :) Actually I have many bikes in the garage... Steel aluminum, and carbon. I've had two carbon frames break, o

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Well I dont want to call this a troll post like they would at BikeForums but come on this is the Rivendell owners bunch so I would say they are focused on one type of bike, mainly Rivendells. While most of us own other bikes coming to this list and expecting people to rave about thier CAAD10 would

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Nope, I don't personally know too many people on this list. I have only met a few so personally so I have to judge the group based upon what people here post. I'll say that without a doubt, there are many bicycling fans here but ,OVERALL, the group is very focused only on one type of bike. Its j

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I like bikes. It just seems around here that you can either drink the koolaid or enjoy bikes, very few of you can seemingly do both. Scott Its like you know us...oh wait, you don't. So stop being so condescending. On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Scott Henry wrote: > Well, If thats how you ar

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On Friday, July 13, 2012 11:03:39 AM UTC-7, William wrote: > > I appreciate Joe and Grant's passion about carbon forks in particular. I > appreciate it because of my perception of the motive. In my opinion, those > who rail hard against carbon forks believe strongly that if 100% of carbon >

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Well, If thats how you are measuring things, i've had two steel froks bend. One aluminum fork come unglued. I've never had a carbon fork bend, break, snap or do anything other that work 100% perfectly. I've had plenty of all three type going back to my first EMS fork in the early 90s. Guess how

[RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

I appreciate Joe and Grant's passion about carbon forks in particular. I appreciate it because of my perception of the motive. In my opinion, those who rail hard against carbon forks believe strongly that if 100% of carbon forks were replaced today by steel forks, that the number of skulls tha

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I've been riding the '99 gofast which of all my three bikes probably gets the least use (since most of my riding is "get-to-there" riding), and I find every time that any thoughts of converting it into a more utilitarian steed vanish when I find myself climbing hills that I usually walk (72" '03 fi

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I make no apologies for my "divisiveness" about CF forks. Any product supporting the front wheel of a bicycle which snaps instead of bending is stupid. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web vis

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Havn't read the book yet. Though I really appreciate what Rivendell is about. All of us on this list are big fans correct? Mark at Riv rides fast lightweight Rivs for racing as does Kris Kostman,don't know if he races anymore but he rides a Rodeo. I have defintly noticed a difference in my over

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ooglegroups.com Sent: Thu, Jul 5, 2012 15:40:50 EDT Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride." While I dont agree with Grant on some stuff (see helmets) I admire his passion. All too often those who run a business can be worn down over time by the tide of criticism and in an attempt to

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On Thursday, July 5, 2012 9:09:14 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: "carbon fiber forks are stupid" Your approach and your passion, as someone else called it, fit well in the contemporary landscape of confrontational divisiveness, and are effective not in furthering the conversation, but in termi

[RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

I read it and liked most of it. I think Grant goes to some places I wouldn't, especially in the areas of food and helmets. But I found it mostly informative and entertaining. Reading it, I was reminded of how blessed I am to live in a city where living car-free and relying on a bicycle for prima

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On Friday, July 6, 2012 6:58:22 AM UTC-7, Peter Pesce wrote: > > > Just out of curiosity, why wouldn't a CF 'cross bike work in this case? > > -Pete in CT > Yeah, that would be an option but most of them seem to have fairly short HTs making it hard to get the bars where I'd want them although

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On Thursday, July 5, 2012 10:27:52 PM UTC-4, Mike wrote: > > "...Today when I was finishing up a short fast(ish) ride I went by two > bike shops and was looking at CF bikes--"endurance" and "distance" models > with lower BB heights and longer stays. No way. Or at least not today. No > way would

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I post frequently on a cable news blog, and every few weeks someone will respond to my statement about this or that with "That's just your opinion!" Uh, yeah..most people don't need to be reminded that I'm voicing my opinion when I say something on a blog. As Grant has stated many times - includ

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On Thursday, July 5, 2012 12:40:50 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: > > While I dont agree with Grant on some stuff (see helmets) I admire his > passion. > Agreed. I loved Just Ride. And yeah, I didn't agree with all of it but there's an energy and enthusiasm to it that is infectious. I'm really grat

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While I dont agree with Grant on some stuff (see helmets) I admire his passion. All too often those who run a business can be worn down over time by the tide of criticism and in an attempt to appeal to the biggest audience possible and wind up sounding like some politician who cant just take a stan

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On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 1:26:08 PM UTC-7, Brewster Fong wrote: > > > Why does Grant continue to propagate such falsehood. Of course CARBON > FIBER FRAMES CAN BE REPAIRED. Grants continued insistance that it "can't be > fixed" makes him look petty and shows that he has no other way of degradin

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Several years ago I snagged a small tree clipping which got sucked into my front fender. The fender (plastic) collapsed into the fork crown and I went over the bars. Knocked my head, helmets are helpful, but relevant to this, I bent both fork blades and deformed the top and down tubes slightly.

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The flip side for me is the local club (with a bunch of great people mind you) that go out for 20 - 50 mile rides depending on the weekly/monthly schedule on their website and proceed to stop, regroup, stop regroup, stop and eat, regroup, eat some more, etc. It's not that that isn't an enjoyable

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This year I have been doing quite a bit of club riding, which seems to be just paceline riding. I have to say I don't prefer it and agree with Steve F that it is tense and tedious. It is also the reason why most clubs that I have tried to participate in lose beginning members or people who don't

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On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 4:47 AM, blueride2 wrote: > Who can deny that riding in a pace-line at 20+ mph isn't a hoot? Not me, > that's for sure. > I certainly can-I find pacelining in turn tense and tedious. Not unlike driving now that I think of it. SteveF, East Lansing, MI -- You received t

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True but I suppose I'm talking about a tourist in a foreign country or even in America with perhaps a busted dropout or something of that nature...even a cobbled repair on a tube using a 1/2 or full tube sleeve is possible in an emergency that would allow one to finish a tour with perhaps a ratt

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Repairability is usually irrelevant. Often when a steel frame breaks or gets crashed, the repair/repaint bill rivals the cost of a new frame. Most people don't go through with it, in my experience. In any case, the percentage of broken frames of any material that get repaired is tiny. -- You

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I'm not sure if he said CF can't be repaired..but it is definitely easier to find someone to repair a steel frame in nearly every major city and probably many rural areas too. Brazing or silver soldering it a fairly common skill among many rural dwellers..I even learned it in shop class

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Poor aluminum doesn't even get to be part of the feud, haha. On Jul 3, 2012 11:29 PM, "René Sterental" wrote: > Can we drop the carbon vs. steel discussion? Unless discuss carbon vs > steel helmets... :-D > > There doesn't seem to be much enlightment in this topic... > > On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:

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Can we drop the carbon vs. steel discussion? Unless discuss carbon vs steel helmets... :-D There doesn't seem to be much enlightment in this topic... On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Peter Morgano wrote: > I have seen calfees work and it is top notch but I would never ride a > repaired cf frame.

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I have seen calfees work and it is top notch but I would never ride a repaired cf frame. On Jul 3, 2012 4:26 PM, "Brewster Fong" wrote: > > On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:03:55 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: >> >> Also to Grant's point steel can be fixed if it fails while CF cannot. > > > Why does Grant c

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On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:03:55 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: > > Also to Grant's point steel can be fixed if it fails while CF cannot. Why does Grant continue to propagate such falsehood. Of course CARBON FIBER FRAMES CAN BE REPAIRED. Grants continued insistance that it "can't be fixed" makes

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Video of Ur-Rivendell (look at the saddle and post!) beating CF. No-retention pedals 'n' all! Whoo hoo! http://xo.typepad.com/blog/2009/10/video-100yearold-bike-vs-tour-de-france-bike.html The hefty blondes must be the control group. Dunno about the loudmouth in the suit. They are speaking Welsh

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On Jul 2, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Garth wrote: Steve, My hypothesis is for each of us, if we wish, to look at our own prejudices towards a material we may actually know nothing about ! Just becasue so and so says it was this or that . It may be true for them... but is it true for me ? And if you

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I have read the book too and dont take it as describing that CF fails more often, its just that when it does it is catastrophic and sometimes deadly. Steel, Aluminum and Titanium all fail too but its just that when they do it is somewhat predicatable and less sudden, giving the rider time to compen

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I think CF bikes have their place in the world of cycling, and I certainly subscribe to "live and let live" as it applies to cycling. It should be "ride and let ride". The point is ride what you have, and try to have a good time doing it.Who can deny that riding in a pace-line at 20+ mph isn't

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"If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it." -- Albert Einstein -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit http

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I can't believe no one has mentioned this yet. Lugs. You can try to spec a CF frame to duplicate a Rivendell all you want, but you're still not gonna get pretty lugs and contrasting creme panels. No CF for me..I'd miss the lugs, and I don't trust that thin plastic. I watch a lot of Formula One

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I agree with Steve, and share his wholehearted disinterest in CF. Riding a bike, for me, has nothing to do with eking out every milligram of performance. A customer lady asked me last week if I was a "racer". My response was an entirely unplanned and unrehearsed: "Nope, I ride my bike for tran

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FWIW, I still remember how in my pre-Rivendell life I had a steel Gunnar cyclocross bike that naturally came with a steel fork. Since at the time I believed carbon was better (but somehow loved how the Gunnar rode more than my high-end Specialized Roubaix), I ordered a carbon fork right away (and r

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On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 15:59 -0700, Garth wrote: > As I said ... it's all our choice of beliefs ... everything. The only > thing that stops us from creating a 50 mpg 50 hp truck, a 3lb. > Bomabadil frame, or whatever we imagine Is not allowing our > imagination to imagine the possibility. S

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Steve If everyone on earth stopped using their imagination there would be no more life. Life IS imagination . Where does anything come from ? Bicycles? Cars ? Buildings? etc. etc. Someone had to imagine them into being . They were not dropped off to us by a band of cycling al

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Interesting discussion -- the RBWlist equivalent of discussing angels dancing on the points of pins, but interesting. (Actually, the possibly legendary discussion of angels on pins is interesting to in that it really bears on the different meanings -- and modes -- of "presence:" presence of locatio

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On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 14:23 -0700, Garth wrote: > > Steve, My hypothesis is for each of us, if we wish, to look at our own > prejudices towards a material we may actually know nothing about ! > Just becasue so and so says it was this or that . It may be true for > them... but is it true for me ?

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Garth- I think the point to be gleaned from the responses to your hypothetical is that many people feel that duplicating the geometry of a given bike in a different material does *not* make it the same bike, only lighter. A bike is more than the sum of the geometry angles plus weight. For many p

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Steve, My hypothesis is for each of us, if we wish, to look at our own prejudices towards a material we may actually know nothing about ! Just becasue so and so says it was this or that . It may be true for them... but is it true for me ? And if your favourite frame *could be* 5 pounds light

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On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 14:04 -0700, RJM wrote: > I have ridden enough CF bikes to know that I prefer steel bikes. With > the size bike I need, I can get a steel bike to under 20 lbs pretty > easily and that isn't even going completely weight weenie. Getting a > bike down to 15 lbs won't make me like

[RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

I have ridden enough CF bikes to know that I prefer steel bikes. With the size bike I need, I can get a steel bike to under 20 lbs pretty easily and that isn't even going completely weight weenie. Getting a bike down to 15 lbs won't make me like biking anymore than I already do, it won't make th

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On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 13:47 -0700, Garth wrote: > > > On Monday, July 2, 2012 4:35:10 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > And there aren't any suitable carbon forks for a bike like > that, are > there? > > > My proposition w

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Yeah Patrick , I've never ridden or owned a CF frame so any information is "second hand" ... lol. The "feel" of a CF may have a lot to do with the geometry used also and you don't really know where a person is coming from in saying it feels "dead". You really can't compare steel and CF d

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Steel for me. I chuckle every time I read an ad or review about some carbon bike that has "achieved" a comfortable ride. I love the way steel bikes look, and feel. I even love the little "ping" they make when something taps a tube. If I had all the money in the world to spend on one bike it woul

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On Monday, July 2, 2012 4:35:10 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > And there aren't any suitable carbon forks for a bike like that, are > there? > > > My proposition was a hypothetical Steve . the dimensions of the bikes > "could" be identical ... no matter if it's a Bomba, Atlantis,

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Not with the clearance for 42s, that is a pipe dream for sure On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 16:28 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: > > Hey now, if they had a exact geometry and clearance Titanium AHH it > > would be a tempting proposition, not sure it

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On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 16:28 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: > Hey now, if they had a exact geometry and clearance Titanium AHH it > would be a tempting proposition, not sure it would ever make cost > sense though. And there aren't any suitable carbon forks for a bike like that, are there? -- You

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On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 14:09 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Garth: So, you are in the relatively small camp who are willing to > consider that five or six lbs removed might make a bike more pleasant. > Me, too, but I think I'd opt (given money, time, etc etc) for titanium > rather than CF simply beca

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Hey now, if they had a exact geometry and clearance Titanium AHH it would be a tempting proposition, not sure it would ever make cost sense though. On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:09 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Garth: So, you are in the relatively small camp who are willing to > consider that five or si

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Garth: So, you are in the relatively small camp who are willing to consider that five or six lbs removed might make a bike more pleasant. Me, too, but I think I'd opt (given money, time, etc etc) for titanium rather than CF simply because ti's durability is a given while at least many question the

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Having owned both I would never go back to CF, sold my look KG96 a while ago to someone who really really wanted it and was glad to see it go. On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 12:59 -0700, Garth wrote: > > > > I wonder if everyone had the choice

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On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 12:59 -0700, Garth wrote: > > I wonder if everyone had the choice of their favorite Riv frame > with the exact same dimensions, in both steel and CF for about the > same price which would you choose ? Steel, without question. I have no interest whatever in carbon

[RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

I wonder if everyone had the choice of their favorite Riv frame *with the exact same dimensions*, *in both steel and CF* for about the same price which would you choose ? For myself, I simply do not have the option of riding a CF frame as the size and dimensions I prefer do not exis

[RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

Hey Grant, bring the cool aid Riv flavour down under. Will buy the book and share it with my mates. Perhaps a 50th birthday gift. Re above though, I must agree, group rides, work better for me on similar equipment. Though I think you can put your own slant on it. A classic road sport bike , or t

[RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

If "fast group rides" are part of your regular riding portfolio then I'd absolutley agree that a bike made for fast group rides should be part of your stable. And I think it's masochistic to believe that an Atlantis could be that bike. Ride what everyone else is riding. Group road rides are abo

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I hear ya Patrick and don't disagree to a point although the reality is that on a steep hill an old, discouraged rider is going to shift down a cog or two on his 23-28 pound Rando style bike because he has a triple up front and sensibly light wheels and tires for his weight and smoothly pedal ri

[RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

Well same engine and my experience .. AHH vs Giant Tcr advanced. .. Riding position about 2mph difference in cruising speed... Wheels and tires and generator hub another mph or even 2 ... So instead of cruising along at 25mph it's around 20 21. There is a cost for that comfort. I can't quan

[RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

I thought the same thing. Nowhere in JR does Grant say "performance road bikes" should be heavy. He says that most people should not care about riding performed roads bikes nor care that much about weight.. In that statement, the reviewer is actually providing the perfect example of what Grant i

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Believe me, an old, tired, discouraged rider climbing a steepish, longish hill on an 18 lb bike with light wheels is going to feel that things are very different compared to when said old, tired, discouraged rider grinds up the same hill (in the heat, against the wind) on a 37 lb bike with wheels m

[RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

Was just thinking about the whole concept of the 'performance bicycle' and it really makes me laugh since the rider is the most important part of that equation. The point I'm trying to make is its all about the engine probably 95% of it. There is simply no way a top level pro riding a 30+ tourin

[RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

I just happened to be re-reading JR today, and noticed the piece that people have mentioned here, where the author of the review scoffs at Grant's "performance" bike that weighs 31 pounds. The weird thing is, that is not at all what Grant says. He says that's how much his bike weighs with two

[RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

Thanks Grant for signing my copy in Portland and the one for my pal Craig (49'ners) He is reading it and learning and hopefully will be getting his new knees soon and will be on his bicycle again. I've been following your writing over the years and so wasn't too surprised when I read the book.

[RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

I bought the book at the Nashville book signing, sat for your talk, listened to the questions and answers and waited in line to get it signed and meet you. I have finished the book since then and have to say I very much enjoyed it; I enjoyed it enough to tell my wife that she needs to read it a

[RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

I am generally relieved that the book hasn't been panned more and worse. An old friend didn't like it on Amazon, and that hurt me deeply, but I'm trying to get over that, and that hurt has been more than all balmed-up by the generally positive response here and other places. I'm always describe

[RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

Interestingly, the guy I mentioned who expressed surprise that I'd call my Cross-check a road bike actually owns a Riv custom. On Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:23:56 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote: > > "I referred to it as my road bike on a recent group ride, and one of > my more category-oriented companions

[RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

"I referred to it as my road bike on a recent group ride, and one of my more category-oriented companions incredulously asked, "you call THAT a road bike?" Yea, to a lot of the biking world, we pose a dilemma by not fitting neatly into a box. More than once I've encountered MTBers on simple jeep

[RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

Something Grant said in his talk in Portland recently... I paraphrase... If mid-ride you wish you were at the end of the ride, it's not a fun ride. I get passed all the time on my bike. Are those folks having more fun than me? Maybe. Are those folks enjoying more road-side berries than me? Def

Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

Funny, just had a discussion with a roadie friend here at work who insisted he could not get a Rodeo over a CAAD 10 because he would feel the extra 2-3lbs going up a hill. I have argued with him for years about this stuff but he has drank the kool aid on the need for lightweight, CF components to

Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

IMO, one of the hardest things to do is acknowledge that you've fallen prey to the marketing claims floating around so pervasively and realize you've been spending your money on the wrong items. Or just that your frame of reference has been built on invalid premises. Especially when you are confron

Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

I don't think I've ever had that response, but last weekend supplied a pair of interesting comments on the Mariposa. I did a century out of Newburg, WI and on the first leg a much stronger rider on a rather pretty piece of plastic commented on how nice my bike looked as he went by me. I caught up

Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

"Never forget: The older you get, the faster you were.." AND..You're older now than you've ever been. . On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 12:04 PM, dougP wrote: > "Performance" is in the mind of rider. For me, my way-over-30 lb > Atlantis (I'd weigh it but I'm too lazy to drag the scale downstairs) > p

Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

I agree with you and it is an attitude that becomes very apparent when you show up to a group road ride on a steel framed/racked and bagged/fat tired bike. "You think you are riding with us on that??" On Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:33:26 AM UTC-5, James Warren wrote: > > Right. This illustrat

Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

"Just Ride." -Jim W. -Original Message----- >From: dougP >Sent: Jun 28, 2012 9:04 AM >To: RBW Owners Bunch >Subject: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride." > >"Performance" is in the mind of rider. For me, my way-over-30 lb >Atlantis (I'

[RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

"This is not a book written by a timid man." Love it! Overall, nice review. The reviewer likes GP's writing and urges his audience to read the book. Those are two points of high praise right there. dougP On Jun 28, 4:38 am, Steven Frederick wrote: > From none other than BIKE magazine, one of

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