[RBW] Re: FS: Lots of nice Chrome parts for your builds/projects

[Steve]

Msg'd - VO Levers

On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 5:57:17 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> Messaged about the cable hanger :) 
>
> On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 4:25:05 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>
>> Hey Everyone!
>>
>> I recently put together a new build and in going through all the stuff in 
>> my bin I realized I needed to cull through some my reserves/recently 
>> acquired but swapped gear. Here's what I'm looking to move on to happy new 
>> homes, Buyers pay shipping:
>>
>>
>>- *Velo Orange Silver Grand Cru Long Pull brake levers and shims - 
>>$45*
>>- *Pair of Shimano DXR V brakes - $50*
>>- *Clipper Triple Crank(with chain guard for double conversion - $70*
>>- *1 1/8” Nitto x Fairweather silver cable hanger(opened but never 
>>mounted) - $25*
>>- *Sram 11-34 cassette - $15*
>>- *Shimano Deore LX M563 front and rear matching Derailleurs - $45 
>>OBO*
>>- *Velocity Atlas Front Wheel on Deore Hub by Hands on wheels(looks 
>>nearly new) - $150*
>>- *Single Tektro R559 See pull with second pair of kool stop 
>>pads(well used, but works great) - $20*
>>- *Pair of Soma Shikoro tires 38mm (low miles) - $60*
>>- *Brooks Flyer Special (low miles, mounting scuffs on the rails) - 
>>$80*
>>
>>
>> *Photos here 
>> *
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Removing more metal from my Bombadil

[Steve]

Show us the bike!  Show us the bike!  Show us the bike!
*Plase!!!*

On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 9:28:01 PM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:

> @Laing-
>
> Are those Honjo 65 Flat fenders ?
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 5:23:09 PM UTC-7 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Nice. I'm very happy with my herse hangar too. I did a flex test with 
>> someone else with a paul hangar, seems the paul was the slightest bit 
>> stiffer, but nowhere near as elegant. 
>>
>> Post a picture of the whole bike! Curious about those super wide flat 
>> honjo fenders. 
>>
>> On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 3:53:41 PM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Having previously honed the seat tube out from 27.0 to 27.2, this was a 
>>> much easier and quicker process. I filed a flat onto the steerer tube so 
>>> that I could use the Rene Herse front cable hanger and spacers with the 
>>> flats. 5 minutes with a file. I probably spent more time making sure that 
>>> the roller bearing race on the fork crown was free from filing debris.
>>> [image: IMG_4029.jpg]
>>> i really like the simple looks of this hanger.
>>> [image: IMG_4030.jpg]
>>>
>>> Laing Conley
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bike build day: Atlantis w/ Bullmoose & '81 Trek 510 Jean-Luc Picard

[Steve]

Thanks for sharing your 'technique' with the Trek. I hadn't thought of 
using a paint pen for detailing - though it makes perfect sense. 
Wondering if you clear coated over the paint to finish it up? 

BTW, I'm now keeping my eye open for a 510 or 710 (or similar) and I'm 
placing the blame on your Picard Special!!!
On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 5:55:30 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:

> I had a blast doing this and happy to share anything! Definitely not 
> making Joe Bell or CycleArt break a sweat. The base is just a plain British 
> racing green. The rest is me just being semi-patient with fine tip water 
> based acrylic paint markers. I went for different colors on the fork blades 
> and stays, had those meet on the headtube & seattube, & let them all fade 
> into each other on the top tube and downtube. I want to do something 
> similar with a proper pro-powdercoated bike (and a little more patience) at 
> some point. 
> These old Treks from this era (the 510 & 710 specifically) are one of my 
> favorite designed bikes of all time. Even before the 650b conversion it 
> cleared 32s easily (may have fit 35s/never tried). You can pick these up 
> for a silly good price usually too and they're so common in the Midwest it 
> seems like they were giving them away. 
> [image: IMG_5532.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5533.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5534.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5535.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5536.jpg]
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 4:09:57 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:
>
>> It looks like you had some fun with your resto-mod Captain Picard Special 
>> - love it! 
>>
>> You are inspiring my N+1 daydreams.  I've done a few old bike 
>> restorations over the years - all with rattle can resprays.  Would you mind 
>> adding some fuel to my fantasies and share the details of your paint job?
>>
>> Steve in AVL
>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 4:24:18 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> Put the Bullmoose on the Atlantis & I'm loving them. They really fit my 
>>> short torso/long arms on the Atlantis. I have the stem maxed out in the 
>>> photo for posterity's sake in case anyone in the future needs a reference. 
>>> It's a 61cm Atlantis (Toyo) with an 81cm saddle height (center of bb to top 
>>> of saddle). Also, serious thanks to member JJ for the sagely advice, quick 
>>> shipping, & friendliness. 
>>> [image: IMG_5528.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_5527.jpg]
>>>
>>> Also built up my old Trek 510 with some things I had laying around & 
>>> some parts I was missing from the Soma sale. I did a homemade paint job on 
>>> it and used an old Captain Picard keychain for the headbadge. Had the 
>>> cantilever bosses and a few other things added to it a while ago. 650x42s 
>>> in there now but it could probably clear a 48. 
>>> [image: IMG_5529.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_5530.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_5531.jpg]
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Bike build day: Atlantis w/ Bullmoose & '81 Trek 510 Jean-Luc Picard

[Steve]

It looks like you had some fun with your resto-mod Captain Picard Special - 
love it! 

You are inspiring my N+1 daydreams.  I've done a few old bike restorations 
over the years - all with rattle can resprays.  Would you mind adding some 
fuel to my fantasies and share the details of your paint job?

Steve in AVL
On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 4:24:18 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:

> Put the Bullmoose on the Atlantis & I'm loving them. They really fit my 
> short torso/long arms on the Atlantis. I have the stem maxed out in the 
> photo for posterity's sake in case anyone in the future needs a reference. 
> It's a 61cm Atlantis (Toyo) with an 81cm saddle height (center of bb to top 
> of saddle). Also, serious thanks to member JJ for the sagely advice, quick 
> shipping, & friendliness. 
> [image: IMG_5528.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5527.jpg]
>
> Also built up my old Trek 510 with some things I had laying around & some 
> parts I was missing from the Soma sale. I did a homemade paint job on it 
> and used an old Captain Picard keychain for the headbadge. Had the 
> cantilever bosses and a few other things added to it a while ago. 650x42s 
> in there now but it could probably clear a 48. 
> [image: IMG_5529.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5530.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5531.jpg]
>
>

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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Steve]

About that ruff...   The WTB Nanoair TPU tubes I'm "trialing" also included 
a little O- ring on the stem. I was a bit stumped for a moment regarding 
their purpose as there was no mention of them in the included literature. 
IIRC they were at about the midpoint of the stems (which incidentally are 
black plastic on the WTBs).  I finally decided exactly what Peter suggests 
- that they are meant to protect the stem-tube junction from direct contact 
with the edge of the drilled rim hole.  I installed them at the base of the 
stem prior to inserting it through the rim.  I did pump them up slowly with 
the RH tires popping into place on I9 rims at about 40 psi - though the 
tires had already seen several hundred miles of use on those rims. To my 
mind, the whole thing was a much simpler process than dealing with 
measuring and installing liquid sealant. 

Fourflys, I get your' comment regarding weight savings - heck, I'm planning 
to try TPUs on my full fendered and front racked Platypus which tips the 
sales around  32 lbs. *However* - my experience has always been that 
reducing the rotational weight of the wheels/tires yields a noticeable 
 dividend in performance, especially when climbing or accelerating.  It's 
the same reason that I've long considered a primo wheel set to be a 
worthwhile upgrade.  
 
Steve in AVL

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 5:23:39 PM UTC-4 four...@gmail.com wrote:

> seems like a lot of faff for a tube, esp to save a few grams on, mostly, 
> bike that are not weight weenie builds (I mean we're riding Rivs!!).. I 
> think I'll stick with latex if I want a fast rolling, lightish tube.. and 
> butyl as backup in the bar bag..
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 2:00 PM Peter Adler  wrote:
>
>> My hunch is that the plastic (rubber?) donut is acting as a spacer for 
>> the valve stem, so that the tube isn't rubbing directly against the 
>> often-rough edge of the valve hole. On the recommendation of otherBOBs, 
>> i've been threading a second dork nut onto my valve stems for the last few 
>> years, to push the rubber outboard at an unpatchable spot. I'd bee 
>> wondering whether the RH valve stems were threaded all the way down; sounds 
>> like they've obviated the need with the rubber donut.
>>
>> For general knowledge, if anyone wanted to produce a similar effect 
>> without the extra weight of a dork nut, the little rubber donuts used to 
>> keep cables from rubbing against finish look like they'd work.
>>
>> Peter Adler
>> Berkeley, California
>>
>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:28:06 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>> Anyone else who has received RH TPU tubes … mine have a little round 
>> piece of plastic between the valve stem and the tube, like a cute little 
>> collar, that seems to be for reinforcement, but it’s not actually attached 
>> to the tube - it’s just floating there. If it was glued to the tube, it 
>> probably would have prevented the leak. Anybody else looked at their tubes 
>> - is that collar attached or flapping around?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Steve]

Tio, yep - what RMRose said - Mermaid.   To my eyes it's a light shade of 
aquamarine. I like the way the contrast with the black fenders tends to 
highlight it. 

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:50:22 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Tio, pretty sure that’s a “Mermaid” colored Platy. Never knew I needed a 
> Mermaid bike until I got one.:)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 20, 2024, at 12:28 PM, tio ryan  wrote:
>
>  
>
> *Can you tell us more about why the new stem/bar is a pleasant change?*
> I think it's because getting around the city involves frequent stops and 
> starts and I often find myself riding out of the saddle to accelerate. With 
> the tosco and albatross bars, it felt like my hands were behind me when I 
> was out of the saddle and I had less control. When seated, the new setup 
> has me in a more tucked position resulting in a ride that has felt less 
> sluggish. I also had my saddle too low for a while which definitely wasn't 
> helping.. 
>
> It’s interesting to see the variations on the Platypus frames from 
> previous years -- lovely setup, Steve! I’ve been wondering what the 
> official name of that color is. It’s my fave!
>
> -tio in brooklyn
> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 9:51:29 PM UTC-4 Steve wrote:
>
>> Forgive my photo bombing this thread - but I can't resist. Let's just say 
>> I'm posting in response to Bill so anyone following along will be able to 
>> contrast the new lugged tubes with the older brazed ones;- )[image: 
>> 9E44819D-2EF4-498C-92EE-0E23E73A049F_1_201_a.jpeg]
>> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 7:03:41 PM UTC-4 schralp wrote:
>>
>>> I just noticed how they changed the transition from the “top” tube to 
>>> the twin rear stays. So different from my Platy. Mine sweep past the seat 
>>> tube and melt into it. Not sure how I missed the design change. Beautiful 
>>> bike and glad it’s getting close to your ideal setup…
>>>
>>> -Bill
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 12:43 PM tio ryan  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hope it's okay to give this thread a bump! I wanted to share how my 
>>>> setup has evolved over the past couple months. 
>>>>
>>>> Although the previous setup *was* comfortable, I was experiencing 
>>>> fender rub through turns and it drove me crazy, so I removed the fenders. 
>>>> My thinking was I already have fenders on my other 2 bikes and I'd prefer 
>>>> not to commute in the rain with my Platypus, if possible. After removing 
>>>> the fenders, I changed the pedals. The sw taco pedals were much bigger 
>>>> than 
>>>> I needed and they were getting in the way with the low bb on this bike. I 
>>>> switched the pedals out for sw tiny bubbly pedals I was using on my 
>>>> Kuwahara. I also swapped the b17 for a regal I scored off this list from 
>>>> Julian. For aesthetics, I polished the seat post and shellacked the 
>>>> chainstay protector. 
>>>>
>>>> From the beginning I knew I wanted a rear rack, so I finally ordered a 
>>>> shiny rear rack from Riv. It's getting warmer here and I'll soon need to 
>>>> switch over to a pannier for my daily commute. I wanted the cockpit to be 
>>>> more sporty, so I ordered a 60mm Nitto 90-190 stem and Ahearne Map bars 
>>>> which did the trick splendidly. It's such a pleasant change from the 
>>>> tosco/tallux combo the bike came with. Finally, I removed the basket from 
>>>> the campee rack as I no longer had a need for it on this bike. 
>>>>
>>>> Here's how my Platypus is looking now:
>>>> [image: platy2.jpeg]
>>>> I'll add the ferrule back to the derailer cable once I settle on the 
>>>> thumb shifter. It's a suntour power ratchet for now. 
>>>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 9:25:45 AM UTC-5 tio ryan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thrilled to be part of the Riv family! I just commuted to work on my 
>>>>> Platy and was smiling ear to ear the entire way. I even got a friendly 
>>>>> ding-ding from a fellow Riv rider traveling in the opposite direction 
>>>>> (I've 
>>>>> seen a few others here in Brooklyn over the years). I'm sure more changes 
>>>>> will come with time, I'm curious to see myself how it'll look in a year 
>>>>> or 
>>>>> two. In the near future, I know I'd like to add a rear rack, or maybe a 
>>>>> bag. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve, that's exactly what it is! I'm not even sure who makes this 
>>>>> particula

[RBW] Re: TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Steve]

Garth I was just checking out the Aliexpress link you shared - thank you.

Interesting how some of the TPU tubes sold on the site cost as little as 
1/10th to 1/30th the price of those offered by WTB, RH, Tubolito, or 
Scwalbe. I think I may know how they do it.  

I did notice the RideNow tubes were in the high teen to low twenties, which 
would give me a bit more confidence in them, though Will doesn't sound like 
he feels much love for them. 

I appreciate the commentary. At some future date I'll post a 500 mile 
review - sooner if 
I ditch them.

Steve in AVL
On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 5:03:38 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Yes, as with Eitan I've only heard of the ultralight versions as disc 
> only. If I was ever going to try them, again with Eitan, AliExpress for the 
> win ! Many of the same brands are sold there. Let you fingers do the 
> walkin". 
> https://www.aliexpress.us/w/wholesale-tpu-inner-tubes.html
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:34:17 PM UTC-4 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My Ridenow experience was one ride long.  Hope others have a better one.  
>> Not-so-slow leaking, and limping home while inflating periodically.  Those 
>> wheels are now tubeless.
>>
>> Will near Boston
>>
>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 1:22:30 PM UTC-4 eitanz...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I got mine from Aliexpress for a few bucks each, "ridenow" brand. 
>>> Haven't mounted them yet, but they get great reviews and are available in a 
>>> few different weights. My understanding is that only the ultra-lightweight 
>>> versions are disc-only. 
>>> --Eitan in Marina del Rey
>>> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 7:41:36 PM UTC-7 Steve wrote:
>>>
>>>> Last evening I mounted a pair of WTB TPU inner tubes under 700c x 48mm 
>>>> knobby RH tires. I was pleasantly surprised by how easily they mounted up 
>>>> with just enough inflation to plump them a bit. Easier than any butyl 
>>>> tubes 
>>>> I've ever used. 
>>>>
>>>> Today I took the bike out on my usual graveled forest service road 
>>>> route, bleeding the front end down from 27 to 25 psi about 1/2 into the 
>>>> ride  My first impression is that they  compare favorably to the ride feel 
>>>> of a tubeless setup. 
>>>>
>>>> Before I sip the kool aid and start buying more of these things - given 
>>>> the cost - I'm wondering if anyone has had long term experience with them 
>>>> (not necessarily the WTB version).   Any punctures, did they patch 
>>>> satisfactorily? Longevity? Your impressions of the quality?
>>>>
>>>>  I'll add that they dropped about 200 grams of ugly fat from the wheels 
>>>> - but that wasn't my main objective.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Steve]

Good question Brian.   Evidently some brands do caution that their tubes 
should not be used with rim brakes.  The marketing info for the WTB Nanoair 
TPU tubes I'm using does not mention any rim brake related restrictions. 
 Interestingly, Rene Herse states that TPU actually has a higher melting 
point than butyl and is perfectly safe for use with rim brakes.  Tubolitos 
website states they are safe with both carbon and alloy rim brake wheels.

I do recall reading rumors somewhere online about problems with early TPU 
tubes developing leaks at the junction of the tube and the valve stem 
(which may or may not have been related to heat build up).  To answer your 
question - I am trying them on a bike with disc brakes. If I purchase 
another set they will be for my Platypus with 650b Velocity Quill rims. 
Much of my riding is on mountain roads, often with long and sometimes steep 
descents, so I suppose I'll be doing my own field testing at that point.

Steve

https://www.renehersecycles.com/tpu-tubes-are-here/#:~:text=TPU%20stands%20for%20thermoplastic%20polyurethane,are%20safe%20with%20rim%20brakes.

https://www.tubolito.com/faq/

https://www.globalcyclingnetwork.com/tech/gcn-clinic/gcn-tech-clinic-tpu-tubes-rental-bikes-and-matte-bike-maintenance#

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 7:25:30 AM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:

> Steve, are you using them on your Riv or another bike? I was under the 
> impression that TPU tubes were recommended for disc brakes only - I assume 
> due to the heat generated by rim brakes? I’m curious about them, but don’t 
> really have the right application for them in my stable.
>
> Brian
> Lex KY 
>
> On Apr 19, 2024, at 10:41 PM, Steve  wrote:
>
> Last evening I mounted a pair of WTB TPU inner tubes under 700c x 48mm 
> knobby RH tires. I was pleasantly surprised by how easily they mounted up 
> with just enough inflation to plump them a bit. Easier than any butyl tubes 
> I've ever used. 
>
>
> Today I took the bike out on my usual graveled forest service road route, 
> bleeding the front end down from 27 to 25 psi about 1/2 into the ride  My 
> first impression is that they  compare favorably to the ride feel of a 
> tubeless setup. 
>
> Before I sip the kool aid and start buying more of these things - given 
> the cost - I'm wondering if anyone has had long term experience with them 
> (not necessarily the WTB version).   Any punctures, did they patch 
> satisfactorily? Longevity? Your impressions of the quality?
>
>  I'll add that they dropped about 200 grams of ugly fat from the wheels - 
> but that wasn't my main objective.
>
> Steve
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[RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Steve]

Last evening I mounted a pair of WTB TPU inner tubes under 700c x 48mm 
knobby RH tires. I was pleasantly surprised by how easily they mounted up 
with just enough inflation to plump them a bit. Easier than any butyl tubes 
I've ever used. 

Today I took the bike out on my usual graveled forest service road route, 
bleeding the front end down from 27 to 25 psi about 1/2 into the ride  My 
first impression is that they  compare favorably to the ride feel of a 
tubeless setup. 

Before I sip the kool aid and start buying more of these things - given the 
cost - I'm wondering if anyone has had long term experience with them (not 
necessarily the WTB version).   Any punctures, did they patch 
satisfactorily? Longevity? Your impressions of the quality?

 I'll add that they dropped about 200 grams of ugly fat from the wheels - 
but that wasn't my main objective.

Steve

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[RBW] Re: Friction 9 V 10 speed

[Steve]

The fact that the "Friction vs Indexed" conversation has persisted for over 
30 years now is testimony that both have their merits.

- My Rivendell with a 3x8 drivetrain and Silver 2 thumb shifters is, of 
course, in friction mode (as was my 1970 ten speed Schwinn and my mid 70's 
Raleigh). I like it that way. 

- My Ritchey with 1x11 and a Microshift thumbie  is usually in indexed 
mode, but I'll switch mid-ride to friction whenever it's a bit out of tune 
and I don't feel like playing with the barrel adjusters. I like it that way.
On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:08:38 AM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:

> I’ve tried 8,9,10 speeds with friction shifting. 10 speed, nope. 9 was ok 
> But settled on 8-speed for pretty much all friction shift bikes. 
>
> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 7:27:21 PM UTC-6 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I have been friction  shifting my 10 speed campy set up. 11-26 X 44-28 
>> Crank is Sugino. 
>> Was not happy with performance , ghosts shifts up when spinning & down 
>> when stomping the pedals.  
>> Switched up to a 34-11 Shimano
>> Nothing else changed 
>> Seems to be working really well. 
>>  
>> Previous threads and literature suggests that the closer the cogs in 10 & 
>> 11 speeds makes for better friction shifting.
>>  
>> What has been your experience?  
>>  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

[Steve]

How about "Spaghetti vs Macaroni" ?

On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 6:21:28 AM UTC-4 Ryan Ogilvie wrote:

> What are long chain stays in this metaphor? :-)
>
>
> Sent from my mobile device. 
>
> On Apr 2, 2024, at 11:26 PM, fiddl...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
> Ribeye vs Burger: both get the same job done in different ways…neither is 
> a bad way to go
>
>
> On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 1:50:18 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
> wrote:
>
>> Enjoyed reading the thread "Anyone else not a fan of long chainstays?", 
>> especially Bill L's explanation of the RBW bike design philosophy.   Seems 
>> the prevailing thought is long stays are better for
>> upright riding
>> single track type trails (vs a Rails to Trails type trail)
>>
>> I'll just note 2 'facts'
>> 1  The vast majority of RBW models (except the Roadeo type frame) use 
>> slack STA and HTA which may contribute to the ride effect when coupled with 
>> long stays.
>> 2.  In the beginning RBW addressed getting the bars higher and adopting a 
>> non-racer riding style (back at 45° with hands on hoods), which IMHO were 
>> solutions to actual problems.
>>
>> *So What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant solving by 
>> using long chain stays*
>> Just to bring bikes to market that no one else is building??
>> Or do they solve a real problem???
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> FWIW 2 of 3 of my frames have 44 to 45cm chain stays, and 1 has a 43cm 
>> chain stay.It's hard to notice a ride difference.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

[Steve]

How about "Chain of sausages vs Sausage patties" ?

On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 6:21:28 AM UTC-4 Ryan Ogilvie wrote:

> What are long chain stays in this metaphor? :-)
>
>
> Sent from my mobile device. 
>
> On Apr 2, 2024, at 11:26 PM, fiddl...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
> Ribeye vs Burger: both get the same job done in different ways…neither is 
> a bad way to go
>
>
> On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 1:50:18 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
> wrote:
>
>> Enjoyed reading the thread "Anyone else not a fan of long chainstays?", 
>> especially Bill L's explanation of the RBW bike design philosophy.   Seems 
>> the prevailing thought is long stays are better for
>> upright riding
>> single track type trails (vs a Rails to Trails type trail)
>>
>> I'll just note 2 'facts'
>> 1  The vast majority of RBW models (except the Roadeo type frame) use 
>> slack STA and HTA which may contribute to the ride effect when coupled with 
>> long stays.
>> 2.  In the beginning RBW addressed getting the bars higher and adopting a 
>> non-racer riding style (back at 45° with hands on hoods), which IMHO were 
>> solutions to actual problems.
>>
>> *So What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant solving by 
>> using long chain stays*
>> Just to bring bikes to market that no one else is building??
>> Or do they solve a real problem???
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> FWIW 2 of 3 of my frames have 44 to 45cm chain stays, and 1 has a 43cm 
>> chain stay.It's hard to notice a ride difference.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

[Steve]

Joe - two different approaches to achieve the same goal!  I'm borderline 
obsessive in setting my front and rear up with nearly equal pull. I bet 
there are a few other variations out there. 

Apologies Tim - back on topic -- are you going to give the roller a try? 
 I'm curious to hear your impression of how it performs.


On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 3:33:49 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Steve, 
>
> I learned it from motorcycles, too. I run my rear brake with more travel 
> than the front so it's hard to lock up, and use it as a drag brake on loose 
> surfaces.* Which contributes to my attitude that I don't care much if it 
> feels grittier than the front. 
>
> *This pops up a lot when I sell my bikes. I forget to readjust the rear 
> brake and buyers tell me there's something wrong cuz the front and rear 
> feel very different! 
>
> On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 11:12:45 AM UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Joe, at the risk of veering off into a discussion or braking technique, I 
>> am curious how you control your speed when descending or cornering on rough 
>> or loose surfaces. While I recognize that the majority of stopping power 
>> resides in the front of the bike,  I find the ability to modulate the rear 
>> brake critical in those situations, and tend to wear out my rear pads long 
>> before the front ones. Even in a straight line stop on level terrain  I 
>> find using the rear brake along with the front helps to keep the bike 
>> settled by avoiding sudden loading of the front end. 
>>
>> Admittedly, some of my approach may be a carry over from motorcycling, 
>> but it works for me.  
>>
>> Steve  
>> On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 11:38:37 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> You may get a little smoother (less gritty-feeling) action at the brake 
>>> lever because the cable is making one less turn at the seat lug, but I'm 
>>> not sure it's worth the bother. On my mixte and step-thru I adjust the 
>>> spring tension at the rear brake to get a strong snap-back at the lever and 
>>> it seems to overcome any stiction in the housing well enough* 
>>>
>>> *YRMV, it bothers some folks more than others. I tend to use the rear as 
>>> a "well it's there, I guess I'll pull that lever, too" option and think 
>>> about the front brake as the one actually stopping the bike. The rear 
>>> feeling a little different is something I mostly ignore. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>> On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 4:28:13 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I currently have the standard cable routing for my rear cantilever 
>>>> brakes. The cable and housing runs up the top low bar onto the seat tube 
>>>> and up and over the seat stay into a cable housing guide off of the seat 
>>>> post binder bolt. See first attached picture.
>>>>
>>>> My question is would there be less friction of having the cable and 
>>>> housing run in the same route as above, except for having it run through a 
>>>> DIA-COMPE 
>>>> center pull cable pulley roller mounted off the the seat binder bolt with 
>>>> a 
>>>> longer seat binder bolt ?  See second attached picture.
>>>>
>>>> What are your thoughts and feedback ?
>>>>
>>>> Would there be any differences ?
>>>>
>>>> Thank-you,
>>>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>>> [image: Nitto S83 Seat post 2mmm.jpg][image: xjeovlzsunac1.jpg]
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

[Steve]

John, you've asked a good question. To my mind all three of your bikes have 
long to longish chain stays.  Granted, the magic most probably lies in the 
marriage of long chain stays with slack HT and ST angles and a comfortable 
pedaling position - however - if you want to find the answer to your 
question you might try riding a bike with chain stays of say 130cm or < on 
a less than smooth roadway (or better yet a trail) and then ride your bike 
with the 145cm stays over the same course. Throw in some climbs and 
descents. I'm betting you'll discover the long CS bike feels more stable, 
controlled, and a bit easier on the tush.

Steve 

On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 2:55:11 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Grant extended the chainstays on my road customs from an XO-1-length 42 cm 
> on the 1995 to 45 cm (to end of horizontal dropouts; Chauncey extended them 
> by another cm or so with even longer dropouts) on the later 2, and I don't 
> know if this is a problem and a solution, but the later 2 customs handled 
> noticeably better than the first (which was noticeably better with similar 
> wheels, tires, and build than the 1992 XO-1). The latter 2 have become my 
> handling benchmark by exhibiting even more than the first-gen Sam and 
> second-gen Ram the perfect combination of cornering nimbleness with 
> unerring stability. The first was not quite stable enough (the XO-1 neither 
> as stable nor as perfect in turn-in), the Ram very balanced but for my 
> taste a bit staid, and the Sam tracked too strongly -- didn't want to 
> change a line -- in fast corners and exhibited front-end wag on slow, 
> seated climbs.
>
> Chauncey built my 2 Matthews with similar geometry and they exhibit 
> similar handling.
>
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 11:50 AM 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW 
> Owners Bunch  wrote:
>
>> Enjoyed reading the thread "Anyone else not a fan of long chainstays?", 
>> especially Bill L's explanation of the RBW bike design philosophy.   Seems 
>> the prevailing thought is long stays are better for
>> upright riding
>> single track type trails (vs a Rails to Trails type trail)
>>
>> I'll just note 2 'facts'
>> 1  The vast majority of RBW models (except the Roadeo type frame) use 
>> slack STA and HTA which may contribute to the ride effect when coupled with 
>> long stays.
>> 2.  In the beginning RBW addressed getting the bars higher and adopting a 
>> non-racer riding style (back at 45° with hands on hoods), which IMHO were 
>> solutions to actual problems.
>>
>> *So What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant solving by 
>> using long chain stays*
>> Just to bring bikes to market that no one else is building??
>> Or do they solve a real problem???
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> FWIW 2 of 3 of my frames have 44 to 45cm chain stays, and 1 has a 43cm 
>> chain stay.It's hard to notice a ride difference.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

[Steve]

John, you've asked a good question. To my mind all three of your bikes have 
long to longish chain stays.  Granted, the magic most probably lies in the 
marriage of long chain stays with slack HT and ST angles and a comfortable 
pedaling position - however - if you want to find the answer to your 
question you might try riding a bike with chain stays of say 130cm or < on 
a less than smooth roadway (or better yet a trail) and then ride your bike 
with the 45cm stays over the same course. Throw in some climbs and 
descents. I'm betting you'll discover the long CS bike feels more stable, 
controlled, and a bit easier on the tush.

Steve 

On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 2:55:11 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Grant extended the chainstays on my road customs from an XO-1-length 42 cm 
> on the 1995 to 45 cm (to end of horizontal dropouts; Chauncey extended them 
> by another cm or so with even longer dropouts) on the later 2, and I don't 
> know if this is a problem and a solution, but the later 2 customs handled 
> noticeably better than the first (which was noticeably better with similar 
> wheels, tires, and build than the 1992 XO-1). The latter 2 have become my 
> handling benchmark by exhibiting even more than the first-gen Sam and 
> second-gen Ram the perfect combination of cornering nimbleness with 
> unerring stability. The first was not quite stable enough (the XO-1 neither 
> as stable nor as perfect in turn-in), the Ram very balanced but for my 
> taste a bit staid, and the Sam tracked too strongly -- didn't want to 
> change a line -- in fast corners and exhibited front-end wag on slow, 
> seated climbs.
>
> Chauncey built my 2 Matthews with similar geometry and they exhibit 
> similar handling.
>
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 11:50 AM 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW 
> Owners Bunch  wrote:
>
>> Enjoyed reading the thread "Anyone else not a fan of long chainstays?", 
>> especially Bill L's explanation of the RBW bike design philosophy.   Seems 
>> the prevailing thought is long stays are better for
>> upright riding
>> single track type trails (vs a Rails to Trails type trail)
>>
>> I'll just note 2 'facts'
>> 1  The vast majority of RBW models (except the Roadeo type frame) use 
>> slack STA and HTA which may contribute to the ride effect when coupled with 
>> long stays.
>> 2.  In the beginning RBW addressed getting the bars higher and adopting a 
>> non-racer riding style (back at 45° with hands on hoods), which IMHO were 
>> solutions to actual problems.
>>
>> *So What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant solving by 
>> using long chain stays*
>> Just to bring bikes to market that no one else is building??
>> Or do they solve a real problem???
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> FWIW 2 of 3 of my frames have 44 to 45cm chain stays, and 1 has a 43cm 
>> chain stay.It's hard to notice a ride difference.
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[RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

[Steve]

Joe, at the risk of veering off into a discussion or braking technique, I 
am curious how you control your speed when descending or cornering on rough 
or loose surfaces. While I recognize that the majority of stopping power 
resides in the front of the bike,  I find the ability to modulate the rear 
brake critical in those situations, and tend to wear out my rear pads long 
before the front ones. Even in a straight line stop on level terrain  I 
find using the rear brake along with the front helps to keep the bike 
settled by avoiding sudden loading of the front end. 

Admittedly, some of my approach may be a carry over from motorcycling, but 
it works for me.  

Steve  
On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 11:38:37 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> You may get a little smoother (less gritty-feeling) action at the brake 
> lever because the cable is making one less turn at the seat lug, but I'm 
> not sure it's worth the bother. On my mixte and step-thru I adjust the 
> spring tension at the rear brake to get a strong snap-back at the lever and 
> it seems to overcome any stiction in the housing well enough* 
>
> *YRMV, it bothers some folks more than others. I tend to use the rear as a 
> "well it's there, I guess I'll pull that lever, too" option and think about 
> the front brake as the one actually stopping the bike. The rear feeling a 
> little different is something I mostly ignore. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
> On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 4:28:13 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I currently have the standard cable routing for my rear cantilever 
>> brakes. The cable and housing runs up the top low bar onto the seat tube 
>> and up and over the seat stay into a cable housing guide off of the seat 
>> post binder bolt. See first attached picture.
>>
>> My question is would there be less friction of having the cable and 
>> housing run in the same route as above, except for having it run through a 
>> DIA-COMPE 
>> center pull cable pulley roller mounted off the the seat binder bolt with a 
>> longer seat binder bolt ?  See second attached picture.
>>
>> What are your thoughts and feedback ?
>>
>> Would there be any differences ?
>>
>> Thank-you,
>> Kim Hetzel. 
>> [image: Nitto S83 Seat post 2mmm.jpg][image: xjeovlzsunac1.jpg]
>
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[RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

[Steve]

I'm following with interest - and though my mixte (Platypus) sports 
V-brakes I've had similar questions in my effort to smooth out the pull of 
the rear brake. I've tried routing the cable through the short guide brazed 
on the seat tube as well as bypassing it. Didn't seem to make much 
difference.  

I can suggest that a good quality but flexible cable housing makes a 
difference, with the spiral coiled metal jacket preferable to the pricier 
compressionless linear strand variety. I'm currently using Jagwire Sport 
housings, but Shimano is also very good.  Slicking the length of the cable 
with silicone O-ring lubricant also improves the feel at the levers 
(despite assurances that there is no need  do so).  Finally - start with 
smooth pulling levers and brake arms. 

As for the Dia-compe roller guide ;  I say give it a try, though I'm a bit 
skeptical. On a bike without fenders that pulley is going to get dirty.

Steve

On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 10:11:46 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> It may be less but would it really matter enough to notice it in brake 
> funtion I can't say as every setup is unique. 
> The main thing with the roller to me it so there isn't a cable sticking 
> out the side of the seat tube. 
>
> Using the noodle like Allan did looks good too.
> On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 8:46:36 AM UTC-4 allan@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My solution…
>>
>> On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 7:28:13 AM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> I currently have the standard cable routing for my rear cantilever 
>>> brakes. The cable and housing runs up the top low bar onto the seat tube 
>>> and up and over the seat stay into a cable housing guide off of the seat 
>>> post binder bolt. See first attached picture.
>>>
>>> My question is would there be less friction of having the cable and 
>>> housing run in the same route as above, except for having it run through a 
>>> DIA-COMPE 
>>> center pull cable pulley roller mounted off the the seat binder bolt with a 
>>> longer seat binder bolt ?  See second attached picture.
>>>
>>> What are your thoughts and feedback ?
>>>
>>> Would there be any differences ?
>>>
>>> Thank-you,
>>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>> [image: Nitto S83 Seat post 2mmm.jpg][image: xjeovlzsunac1.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

[Steve]

I'm following with interest - and though my mixte (Platypus) sports 
V-brakes I've had similar questions in my effort to smooth out the pull of 
the rear brake. I've tried routing the cable through the short guide brazed 
on the seat tube as well as bypassing it. Didn't seem to make much 
difference.  

I can suggest that a good quality but flexible cable housing makes a 
difference, with the spiral coiled metal jacket preferable to the pricier 
compassionless linear strand variety. I'm currently using Jagwire Sport 
housings, but Shimano is also very good.  Slicking the length of the cable 
with silicone O-ring lubricant also improves the feel at the levers 
(despite assurances that there is no need do do so).  Finally - start with 
smooth pulling levers and brake arms. 

As for the Dia-compe roller guide ;  I say give it a try, though I'm a bit 
skeptical.
On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 10:11:46 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> It may be less but would it really matter enough to notice it in brake 
> funtion I can't say as every setup is unique. 
> The main thing with the roller to me it so there isn't a cable sticking 
> out the side of the seat tube. 
>
> Using the noodle like Allan did looks good too.
> On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 8:46:36 AM UTC-4 allan@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My solution…
>>
>> On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 7:28:13 AM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> I currently have the standard cable routing for my rear cantilever 
>>> brakes. The cable and housing runs up the top low bar onto the seat tube 
>>> and up and over the seat stay into a cable housing guide off of the seat 
>>> post binder bolt. See first attached picture.
>>>
>>> My question is would there be less friction of having the cable and 
>>> housing run in the same route as above, except for having it run through a 
>>> DIA-COMPE 
>>> center pull cable pulley roller mounted off the the seat binder bolt with a 
>>> longer seat binder bolt ?  See second attached picture.
>>>
>>> What are your thoughts and feedback ?
>>>
>>> Would there be any differences ?
>>>
>>> Thank-you,
>>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>> [image: Nitto S83 Seat post 2mmm.jpg][image: xjeovlzsunac1.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Queen's Ransom (Sort of)

[Steve]

John, excellent!  Nice photos too. Thanks for sharing your experience with 
us. As a South-easterner (North Carolina) I find the Southwest exotically 
beautiful - and in particular, the Sonoran desert. 

Steve

On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:15:30 AM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great ride report, thanks! 
> Can you please expound a bit on what  you did for water? 
> That cannot have been trivial, looking at those pictures.
> cheers -mathias
>
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 12:26:32 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Yes,  Diana, it's a very special desert indeed! 
>>
>> To attach photos I used the 'Insert Photo Attachment' tool at the bottom. 
>> If your photos are too large of a file size, you will continue to get the 
>> message you have been getting. Here are the export settings (Apple Photos) 
>> I use for my photos which come out to about 500-600 KB each. Hope this 
>> helps.
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2024-03-14 at 9.21.05 PM.png]
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 5:47:24 PM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I love the Sonoran desert! Can't wait to move back. Thanks for the great 
>>> pictures. How did you attach them to your message? When I tried I got 
>>> nonstop errors saying my message was too large.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 4:43:17 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_0444.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> In mid-February my friend and I put our skis away for a couple of weeks 
>>>> and headed to the Sonoran desert for a roll through that beautiful 
>>>> landscape. Weeks of rain preceding our trip left a carpet of green through 
>>>> which ribbons of desert singletrack twisted, climbed, and dipped beneath 
>>>> red stone mountains and narrow canyons. 
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_0427.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> The cacti were fat and happy while they waited for days long and warm 
>>>> enough to bring on a spectacular bloom this Spring. Cold, starry nights 
>>>> made for perfect camping, and riding beneath a toasty sun thawed the 
>>>> morning chill. 
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_2736.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> We planned to ride a mash-up of The Queen's Ransom 
>>>> <https://bikepacking.com/routes/queens-ransom/> and The Gila River 
>>>> Ramble  
>>>> <https://bikepacking.com/routes/arizona-bikepacking-gila-river-ramble/>hoping
>>>>  
>>>> to forgo the trek to Florence and the Southeastern suburbs of the Phoenix 
>>>> metroplex. Instead, we would meander the looping trails and canyons 
>>>> between 
>>>> the Superstition Mountains and the Gila River. 
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_2776.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> TQR Creator John Schilling suggests between four and six days to ride 
>>>> the route, so we figured eight days would give us plenty of time to roll 
>>>> casually through the Sonoran and take in the incredible beauty of this 
>>>> place. What we didn't take into account was that the price of admission to 
>>>> this breathtaking landscape was steep- literally and figuratively. It was 
>>>> only half way through the first day when I began to realize that 
>>>> Schilling's estimate surely applied to riders 20 years younger on bikes 20 
>>>> pounds lighter and, perhaps, a 100% more eager to let ‘er rip.
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_0442 (1).jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> Instead, as is always the case when my buddy and I team up, we rode, 
>>>> pushed, suffered, and savored at a ‘my contact lens is around here 
>>>> somewhere’ pace. Though we certainly enjoy speedy descents on single track 
>>>> or fire roads, the Sonoran is a biome bursting with life and invites a 
>>>> more 
>>>> intentional approach. 
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_2743.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> Our eight days cruising on bikes included plenty of time out of the 
>>>> saddle to kick stones and poke around in the plants that were, in fact, so 
>>>> eager to poke us. Our days alternated between riding sweet single track or 
>>>> pleasant gravel roads and pushing bikes up narrow, rocky outcroppings. It 
>>>> was a challenging ride that left us ready to roll out our sleeping bags 
>>>> each evening. 
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_0436.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> About an hour or so before sunset we’d begin to s

[RBW] Re: Friction Shifting Issues with my Old Clem

[Steve]

Vincent, Garth's comments regarding cross chaining sure do seem like a 
likely explanation for the accelerated wear on the outer two cogs.  Looking 
at your picture of the bike, it appears the cranks are mounted on a fairly 
narrow bottom bracket spindle. If the spindle is narrow enough to move your 
chain line inboard - further away from the smaller cogs on the rear end - 
that would likely accelerate wear on those cogs. Frequent cross chaining 
from the inner chain ring to those smaller cogs would amplify the effect. 
Might be worth your trouble to check the chain line as you try to solve the 
riddle. 

Steve


On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 9:11:32 PM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi Vincent,
>
> That Clem is beautiful, but your shifting issue sounds frustrating. Are 
> you running a 9-speed cassette in the back? I had the indexing Sunrace 
> thumbie on my Rivendell and performance felt just ok. My vintage Suntour 
> thumb shifters from 1983 were better, and now I have a Riv silver thumbie 
> on and it's also better. I suggest you buy one Riv silver thumbie and try 
> that out. I clearly remember the PDF saying the stock shifters clicked but 
> did not index. 
>
> Also, consider that the Altus rear derailleur is a $13 part. Maybe it's 
> just not up for your rough rides on the train tracks? I have a silver 
> thumbie with the SRAM GX 10 speed rear derailleur shifting a 9-speed 
> cassette, and it works perfectly. I highly recommend it. It has a clutch on 
> it so you can forget about chain slap and dropped chains. It's available 
> for nice prices because the trend in mountain bikes is now 12 speeds. (A 
> matching 10 speed click shifter is also available for cheap, but I haven't 
> tried it.)
>
> I also have a narrow-wide chainring on the front. Perhaps you should 
> consider one. How often are you using the biggest chainring? For me it's 
> never (I took it off) because live in a city and commute so I rarely get up 
> to speed for longer than 4 minutes. Are you regularly cruising above 15 
> MPH? If not, go lower with your gearing. Wolf-Tooth and Stridsland both 
> have excellent narrow-wide chainrings that will fit your cranks. Fewer 
> moving parts is a nice thing for your bike. 
>
> I hope this helps. Happy riding. 
>
> Michael 
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 11:40:52 PM UTC-4 Vincent Tamer wrote:
>
>> I have an on going issue with my friction shifting setup on my 2016 
>> complete Clem.
>>
>> I believe this will be my third cassette replacement now. Each time the 
>> two smallest cogs are damaged/stripped for some reason, so that when I 
>> pedal there is some crunching & ghost shifting. I cannot pedal with full 
>> force on the first two gears.
>>
>> I’ve had issues with this since day one and I have a feeling it is due to 
>> the 2016 complete clem’s shifting setup even though I’ve had it adjusted 
>> and have explained to two different bike technicians.
>>
>> The shifter setup is odd, Riv even commented on how it was a little 
>> strange in the Clem intro Pdf that was floating around for the longest time 
>> (cannot find it now). I'm hoping someone knows what I'm talking about!
>>
>> These suntour shifters are set up in a reverse position and that they 
>> have some kind of ratcheting mech in them. The clicks don’t always coincide 
>> with a shift and maybe that has created some bad friction shifting form on 
>> my part. Outside of that I’m at a loss for why I am having issues with 
>> stripped cogs. 
>>
>> I’m considering switching to an indexed set up even though I don’t want 
>> to but before I do, does any one have any wisdom they can shed on this 
>> situation? Thank you!
>>
>> Pics are attached, of the whole bike (for fun) and of the shifter. I'll 
>> grab some shots of the gears as well when I can.[image: 
>> DSCF7718_sml.jpg][image: 
>> shifter.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Trip Report: Death Valley February 2024

[Steve]

Diana, love your photography - and - love your Platy with the Chocos.  (I'm 
admittedly biased, but your bike puts both the Salsa and the Kona to shame)

On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:48:18 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> Excellent trip report Diana! You and your friends covered a lot of 
> beautiful, rugged ground, and your photos provide a wonderful window into 
> the spectacular expanses of that magical part of the desert. I had just 
> seen Iohan Gueorgiuev's trip through the national parks 
> 
>  
> where he covered some ground in Death Valley. I was eager to see more so 
> your report was timely.  Cheers, John
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 8:08:28 AM UTC-8 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Bad to the bone! Thanks for sharing Diana :0) 
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 10:49:34 AM UTC-5 diana@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm glad you all enjoyed the trip report! I'm sad I can't edit posts so 
>>> you all had to read day 4 twice lol. I'm still getting used to Google 
>>> groups (sorry you're getting this message twice Andy).
>>>
>>> I just bought Tosco bars to switch out the Choco's and I got a new stem 
>>> (with the faceplate) using Will's leapyear code. The bars will make me more 
>>> upright and the new stem will keep my bars from moving on my hard descents, 
>>> at least this is the hope!
>>>
>>> I'll be doing the Smoke and Fire 400 in May so hopefully I'll get 
>>> another trip report for you all then.
>>>
>>> Diana
>>> San Francisco 
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 3:34:40 AM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:
>>>
 Wow, what a great trip!

 When I read ride reports I often drift into amazement at the landscapes 
 so foreign (or just alien) to my regular environs. Part of the adventure 
 is 
 simply facing the unusual or unknown and turning that first pedal stroke. 

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh

 On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 11:19:20 PM UTC-5 diana@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Map: 
> https://www.gaiagps.com/map/?loc=9.6/-116.8781/36.7032=GJ70zopvv3HDAIv6yQW94aTs=09fa1491-18a7-4735-83a2-eb164d4ba0ba
>
> Total miles: ~165 miles 
> Total Elevation Gain: ~14,400 ft 
>
> *Intro: *
>
> The inspiration for this route came from the Bikepacking.com- 
> Echo-Titus Canyon , 
> but Titus Canyon is currently closed to all traffic (including bicycles), 
> so we were looking for a way to extend our tip another day. We added 
> Rhyolite 
> Canyon  from 
> the Dirty Freehub.
>
>  
>
> *Bicycles*
>
> Diana’s Bike - 2022 Platypus (50 cm, 38x24 crank, 650Bx43mm GravelKing 
> SK Knobby tires, Nitto Choco handlebar, and a 9-speed cassette)
>
> Ran’s Bike – 2023 Kona Sutra (stock parts except the tubeless 2.1 inch 
> tires)
>
> Mikes Bike – 2022 Salsa Cutthroat (stock parts, 2.2 inch tubeless 
> tires)
>
>  
>
> *Day 1. Rhyolite Rumble*
> Total Miles: 46
> Average Speed 8.6mph
>
> We drove from Reno to Spicer Ranch. Spicer Ranch is an amazing 
> campground and the owner runs it entirely on donations. Clean bathrooms, 
> hot showers, picnic tables, what else could you ask for? Please donate if 
> you stay here. 
>
> Our plan today was to ride load-less and ease our way into the trip. 
> We arrived at Spicer Ranch a little after 10am and were biking by 
> 10:45am. 
> The first few miles went by quickly and we passed by several old mines. 
> There is endless gravel to ride out here and you could easily spend the 
> day 
> exploring mine to mine. The road is pretty tough in places, but this is 
> how 
> it will be the entire trip.
>
> The excitement of beginning our adventure (and being unloaded) had us 
> riding fast. We had great views riding toward Grapevine Mountains on 
> amazingly packed gravel. I would get a flat somewhere along here but 
> patched it up and moved on. 
>
> The views would continue but the road would deteriorate into more sand 
> than gravel and had us pushing on a few occasions. Ran took a spill 
> during 
> a moment of lapsed attention when his tire hit the side of a wash. 
> Luckily 
> it was a slow fall and Ran would ride away with minor scratches. Later on 
> in the day we hit some washboards and I was going too fast and I got a 
> pinch flat. Patched that too, but the pinch flat happened right next to 
> the 
> valve and the patch didn’t hold. Replaced the whole tube just before 
> Rhyolite. This whole time we saw nobody else on the trails.
>
> Rhyolite Ghost town is very interesting and they have a lot of 
> eccentric statues/sculptures. Worth a visit here if you find yourself in 
> the area. 

[RBW] Re: The Official Introduction of RoadeoRosa

[Steve]

I say it's OK to geek out over bikes - especially if it's a unique 
Rivendell.  

Steve in Asheville --- Waiting for the official photo shoot glamour pics. 

On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 10:41:11 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> *"Those who do will appreciate the richness of detail and see quite a 
> story narrated here."*
>
> So well said Andy.  It doesn't necessarily make us geeks, Maybe curators?
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
> On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 8:31:40 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> What a build Bill. 
>>
>> I said to Leah when she was considering the plunge for some bespoke bits 
>> that as you ride more, your experiences forge preferences for particular 
>> bike pieces and components. Each part that stands above discrete makes the 
>> bike you build or upgrade embody those stories and are a record of your 
>> riding like a scrapbook. Those who don't understand won't notice. Those who 
>> do will appreciate the richness of detail and see quite a story narrated 
>> here.
>>
>> I get it!
>>
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 11:27:37 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Here she is.  RoadeoRosa is complete
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53540567348/in/album-72177720313109003/
>>>
>>> Frame set: Nobilette built Rivendell Roadeo.  Cantilever posts.  Legolas 
>>> fork crown.  Cane Creek 40 headset
>>>
>>> Wheelset:  HED Ardennes RA Black.  Stampede Pass Extralight tires.  TPU 
>>> tubes.  12-27 Dura Ace 10sp cassette.  Tune skewers
>>>
>>> Drivetrain:  Rene Herse Crankset 46/30.  White Industries Ti 108mm 
>>> bottom bracket.  Look Keo Carbon Ceramic Pedals.  Dura Ace 7900 F Der, R 
>>> Der, Down tube shifters.  KMC chain
>>>
>>> Components:  Rene Herse cantilevers. Jagwire Elite cables and housing. 
>>>  Soba Noodle bars.  Nobilette stem.  Campagnolo Athena EPS brake levers 
>>> (electronics removed).  Dura Ace 7900 seat post.  Fizik Arione 00 saddle
>>>
>>> Accessories:  Rene Herse Fenders.  Arundel carbon H2O cages.  Rene Herse 
>>> pump.  Spurcycle Bell.  Rene Herse UD-2 front rack
>>>
>>> total weight 20.2lbs.  9.16kg
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: The Official Introduction of RoadeoRosa

[Steve]

Abso-F'n-lutely Beautiful !!!   

Go Pink!

On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 8:31:40 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> What a build Bill. 
>
> I said to Leah when she was considering the plunge for some bespoke bits 
> that as you ride more, your experiences forge preferences for particular 
> bike pieces and components. Each part that stands above discrete makes the 
> bike you build or upgrade embody those stories and are a record of your 
> riding like a scrapbook. Those who don't understand won't notice. Those who 
> do will appreciate the richness of detail and see quite a story narrated 
> here.
>
> I get it!
>
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 11:27:37 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Here she is.  RoadeoRosa is complete
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53540567348/in/album-72177720313109003/
>>
>> Frame set: Nobilette built Rivendell Roadeo.  Cantilever posts.  Legolas 
>> fork crown.  Cane Creek 40 headset
>>
>> Wheelset:  HED Ardennes RA Black.  Stampede Pass Extralight tires.  TPU 
>> tubes.  12-27 Dura Ace 10sp cassette.  Tune skewers
>>
>> Drivetrain:  Rene Herse Crankset 46/30.  White Industries Ti 108mm bottom 
>> bracket.  Look Keo Carbon Ceramic Pedals.  Dura Ace 7900 F Der, R Der, Down 
>> tube shifters.  KMC chain
>>
>> Components:  Rene Herse cantilevers. Jagwire Elite cables and housing. 
>>  Soba Noodle bars.  Nobilette stem.  Campagnolo Athena EPS brake levers 
>> (electronics removed).  Dura Ace 7900 seat post.  Fizik Arione 00 saddle
>>
>> Accessories:  Rene Herse Fenders.  Arundel carbon H2O cages.  Rene Herse 
>> pump.  Spurcycle Bell.  Rene Herse UD-2 front rack
>>
>> total weight 20.2lbs.  9.16kg
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Steve]

Bill,  beautifully done!   Those color matched Honjos are going to be the 
piece de resistance!!!

Pardon me now while I mop up the puddle of drool from my keyboard.

On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 12:20:03 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> We have a huge glass jug (two of them actually) where every cork goes.  I 
> just shop from those jugs for the right outside diameter.  About 80% of 
> wine corks are too wide.  I've got a pretty good eye for picking out the 
> ones that'll work, and it is entirely as a mechanic would think of them. 
>  They are a useful object, but contain no "soul" or significance outside of 
> their utility (at least for me).
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 7:59:52 AM UTC-8 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Congratulations on the new bike Bill. I always look forward to seeing 
>> your builds.
>>
>> Since there appear to be no existing Velominati rules that govern the use 
>> of wine corks for bar ends, is it up to us (RBW Owners Bunch) to create 
>> them? I am inventing the role of Velosommolier.
>>
>> - Must the wine be consumed after the assembly of the bike? Kind of a 
>> finishing touch like when they smash a bottle against a new sailing ship?
>>
>> - Must the wine match the bike in terms of character, whimsical vs 
>> serious, light vs heavy, drop bars vs upright bars, etc?  
>>
>> - Must the uniqueness of the wine somewhat match the uniqueness of the 
>> bike?
>>
>> - Must both ends be from the same wine (necessitating 2 bottles) or do 
>> you cut the corks in half?
>>
>> I guess what I'm asking is what kind of wine are you going to use? 
>> Mike in Austin
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 9:31:54 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Wine corks go in the bar ends after more shellac
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 5:59:46 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>>
>>>> The black tape/saddle/bottle cage combo as per rule#8  works! Noticed 
>>>> the unplugged barends but I am positive this is a detail you haven't 
>>>> overlooked. Nitto barend plugs?  Or something from Rene Herse?
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The pre-fenders build is now complete.  It's pouring rain so there's 
>>>>> no inaugural ride and the lighting is poor but I took a few shots on my 
>>>>> porch of the bike looking like a complete bike.  With two water bottle 
>>>>> cages, and a pump, and a front rack the bike is still just under 20 
>>>>> pounds, 
>>>>> but I concede it will be over 20 pounds with fenders.  
>>>>>
>>>>> The album is updated, scroll to the end:
>>>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like 
>>>>>> a jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little 
>>>>>> details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the 
>>>>>> inaugural 
>>>>>> ride take you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat 
>>>>>>> tongue in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated 
>>>>>>> Rules of activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 
>>>>>>> just 
>>>>>>> states that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
>>>>>>> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to 
>>>>>>> have 
>>>>>>> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is 
>>>>>>> one of 
>>>>>>> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  
>>>>>>> Meditating 
>>>>>>> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
>>>>>>> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I made good progress yesterday, an

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Steve]

I sheepishly asked "What is this rule #8...?"
Now I know -- and not just #8, but all 95 of them!  Thank you Bill & John 
Dewey for the illuminating me about the Velominati --- but now I can't stop 
giggling.


On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 3:31:58 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Yes, I've modified my Wahoo mount to bolt on to that boss.  I have that 
> feature on two of my three custom Nobilette stems.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 12:16:34 PM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:
>
>> I'm curious about the threaded boss on the stem, I would've thought it 
>> would be for the brake cable, but it doesn't go all the way through! I'm 
>> guessing for a GPS mount?
>>
>> Collin
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 11:49:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I picked up my Pink Roadeo frame, fork, stem and fenders this morning at 
>>> Riv HQ.  I took several photos and added them to my Flickr album with no 
>>> commentary (yet):
>>>
>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003/
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Crankset/BB question

[Steve]

Adam, good on you for planning to do the crank swap yourself  (you will 
likely want a crank puller  - 
https://www.parktool.com/en-us/product/universal-crank-puller-for-square-taper-and-splined-cranks-cwp-7
 
 & here's a link to Park's how to video - 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPQyQnNdews).

I'll cast a vote for mounting the new cranks on your existing BB and then 
checking the fit. You will be looking for two potential issues (1) adequate 
clearance between the drive side chain stay and the small chainring aa well 
as the chain itself, and (2) the chainline.   Good luck!   

Steve in Asheville 
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 1:07:21 PM UTC-5 Adam wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> A while back I posted about low q, low-range cranks for my Hillborne.
>
> I just ordered one of the VO 46/30s, which seems like a good option at the 
> price. I'll use the stock rings first, then tweak them down the road.
>
> A few questions - I'm going to try the install myself--I think--and this 
> is my first attempt.
>
> I understand that the VO 46/30 is supposed to be paired with a 118mm BB. I 
> have read on here of folks using shorter spindles. I currently have either 
> a 113 or 115mm on the Hillborne. I'm assuming the only way to know is to 
> remove the cranks and measure? Has anyone here tried a shorter spindle on 
> their Hillborne with the VO cranks?
>
> My question - Should I try simply swapping cranks and see how the VO 
> cranks do at 115/113mm? If so, what would I be watching for to suggest a 
> problem? OR is this a dumb way to start tinkering with cranks? And if so, 
> any thoughts on swapping BB vs taking it a shop? (I have great shops 
> nearby, but like to gradually learn a few things every so often.)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Adam
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Steve]

Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> SMH
>
> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule #8, 
> and then recite Rule #8
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: RoadeoRosa teaser

[Steve]

waiting for it

Waiting For It

WAITING FOR IT 

!!!

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 8:15:47 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> No kidding, Leah! I am dying to see this bike! Bill, you've been waiting a 
> long time for it...mind you, I know you have a large stable, but still...
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 5:04:30 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> DRAT this 3 hour time zone difference. I’ll be waiting forever over here! 
>> Hurry, hurry!
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2024, at 10:50 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Mark tells me my frame is sitting in his stand right now...
>>
>>
>> I'm going to pick it up Thursday morning, and I have to pick my 
>> headbadge.  The Roadeo head badge comes in Red or in Blue.  The Roadeo page 
>> on the website shows them both.  I'm definitely going blue.  There are a 
>> few touches of blue that will show up elsewhere on the build, so that will 
>> tie in.  
>>
>> I'm pretty sure I have absolutely every piece of the build so it may be 
>> New Bike Day less than 24 hours from now.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:44:17 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I love it already. It’s the perfect pink. And we only have to wait until 
>>> next week to see it!
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:22:34 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Rick at D tells me he'll be delivering my Roadeo frame set to 
 Rivendell HQ next week sometime.  He gave me a sneak peek at my 
 color-matched Rene Herse/Honjo fenders.  Here they are:


 https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53519732639/in/album-72177720313109003/

 It's getting real

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: New Platypus

[Steve]

Tim, please pardon my disagreement, but I think your description of the 
Platy's ride quality is perfect - "sublime".  Anything more would just be 
so many words.  

Though it's a 50cm frame set with 650b wheels, my 2022 Platypus is built up 
similar to yours - Billie bars, B17 saddle, front rack, a 44-34-24 triple 
crankset, and of course, plump tires (42mm RH slicks under 62mm Honjos). 
 The more I ride it the more I love it. So, needless to say, I'm 
digging your Platypus!!!

Steve In Asheville
On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 7:49:05 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Love a Platypus with Billie Bars. Happy riding!
>
> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 1:31:06 PM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Took advantage of the rare warm weather we are having to take my new 
>> Platypus out. I purchased this 60cm Sergio's Green as a complete bike. At 
>> first I thought I'd ride it complete as it was delivered right out of the 
>> box. Although it was fine with the SunRace parts that came with bike I just 
>> couldn't live with the aesthetic. I swapped a few parts to make it my own 
>> and I now have it built the way I wanted it. 
>>
>> The Platypus is probably the nicest riding Rivendell I've ever owned. I'm 
>> not very good at putting ride quality into words but it just feels sublime. 
>> The combination of the laid back geometry and the chubby tires are bike 
>> factors. I found that having more of my weight on the front end of the bike 
>> by angling the bars down made a big difference. I also changed the stem to 
>> a 135mm up from a 110mm. I am really happy with the bike and know that it 
>> will serve me well through the years. 
>>
>> Here is what I swapped out to make it my own. 
>>
>> Nitto Billie Bars
>> Shimano XTR M952 RD
>> Shimano Deore DX FD
>> Silver Triple Cranks. 44x34x24
>> SunTour Power XC Power Ratchets
>> Brooks B-17 Special
>> Paul Love Levers
>> Oury Grips
>> Added SimsXNitto Obento Rack
>> Wald 137
>> 5th Season Squall Sack
>>
>> [image: 378813CC-FB63-412C-8A4F-CC94A83F5E88_1_105_c.jpeg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: RoadeoRosa teaser

[Steve]

I never would have considered pink as a desired color for a bike of my own 
-- until I laid eyes on a  Crust Bombora. Bill, I'm laying down a bet that 
your Roadeo Rosa will out bombora the Bombora!!!   I'm eagerly awaiting 
some glamour pics of the beauty.

Steve in Asheville

On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:50:37 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> It's just Pink with Cream scalloped tips.  No fade.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 2:42:20 PM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Wow...is it ever! Is that a fade or just lighting* ?*
>>
>>
>> *Dying to see the finished bike...as you are no doubt*
>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 4:22:34 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Rick at D tells me he'll be delivering my Roadeo frame set to 
>>> Rivendell HQ next week sometime.  He gave me a sneak peek at my 
>>> color-matched Rene Herse/Honjo fenders.  Here they are:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53519732639/in/album-72177720313109003/
>>>
>>> It's getting real
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Knobby tires and fenders

[Steve]

Patrick, to your QR question,  I've run fenders over knobbies on my Ritchey 
Outback (clearance ranging from ~ 15 to 20mm depending on the fender/tire 
combo) with and without QRs.   After bending a front fender stay with a 
jammed stick I took the hint and added a pair of Portland Design Works 
Safety Tabs. Before I finally pulled the fenders to accommodate larger 
tires for that bike I put the Safety Tabs to the test (x 2). They work!  As 
an aside, the larger tires I mounted are Oracle Ridges - love 'em! 

The PDW tabs are designed in two parts - a metal sleeve which is secured to 
the stay with a set screw and a plastic bracket that bolts to the fork 
mount. The two parts are jointed by a "pop off" barb on the plastic 
bracket. I'm guessing you could bore the sleeve out to fit your larger 
diameter stays if you want to give them a try.  Worst case - you might need 
to epoxy the sleeves to secure them to the stays if they wind up too thin 
walled to use the set screws. 

Regarding running  knobbies with 3+cm of fender clearance  (that's HUGE!): 
 there's only one way to know for sure
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Steve
On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 11:20:14 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I should have added as context that while I ride in sandy conditions, I 
> also ride in our riverside bosque with thickly scattered cottonwood debris 
> scattered over many of the trails.
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 9:18 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Steve and Mike. Question: Do you use a QR strut system with your 
>> fenders or do you feel confident enough to use your VO Zeppelins and 
>> Tanakas and VO Fluted fenders with direct, bolted stay connections to frame 
>> and fork?
>>
>> I have no problem using fenders over non-knobby tires; I did this with 
>> the Big Ones with, again, smaller than canonical clearances under crown and 
>> certainly under seatstay bridge, but I am much more wary of doing this with 
>> knobby tires.
>>
>> Again, my safe choices seem to be: Fleecer ridge (~60 mm) for max sand 
>> float but without fenders, or (~50 mm) Oracle Ridge under the fenders, 
>> which I'd like to keep on the bike.
>>
>> Re fender QRs: Even if I could find some to work with the much fatter 
>> Kelpie stays, these fenders and stays are so sturdy -- stays and fenders 
>> 50% thicker gauge at least than VOs and Honjos -- that even with QR stays 
>> I'd still be very wary of having a stick slam the front wheel to a stop. 
>> Anecdote: Colin at Kelpie first offered his fenders in titanium but after 
>> he picked up a stick and jammed his wheel, and damaged his fork but not his 
>> fender, he started using thick gauge aluminum so that the fenders might 
>> break before the fork does. But even so, these fenders are so sturdy that 
>> I'd be very reluctant to risk a stick on the front tire with less than 
>> optimal clearance.
>>
>> So the question remains: 3+ cm over an Oracle Ridge?
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 8:41 AM Steve  wrote:
>>
>>> Not a direct comparison, but I can share that I've run 42mm Knobbies 
>>> (WTB Resolutes) with both 52mm VO Zeppelins and 58mm Tanaka smooth fenders. 
>>> I also ran a pair of 40mm Continental Terra Speeds (low profile knobs) 
>>> under the Tanakas. Each of those combinations would occasionally kick 
>>> leaves and small  sticks up into the front fender when riding gated fire 
>>> roads, sometimes necessitating a stop to clear the debris. My turf, 
>>> however, is woodsy Appalachian national forest -- a bit different from 
>>> Patrick's high desert.  
>>>
>>> This past autumn when the leaves began to fall I pulled the fenders off 
>>> my 'dirt bike' and mounted the largest tires the bike would accommodate; 
>>> 48mm RH Oracle Ridge knobbies. I've been delighted with the bigger tires. 
>>> The fenders have been safely stored away, waiting for the day when I decide 
>>> to mount some 38mm RH Barlow Passes on it, swap the upright bars for drops 
>>> and take it on the road.
>>>
>>> Steve in Asheville
>>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 11:16 AM 'Michael Kashuba' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Another data point…..I’m running 700 X50mm (actual measurement is 
>>> 48/49mm width) SOMA Cazaderos with VO fluted 63mm fenders on my 60cm 
>>> Appaloosa. All is fine clearance wise as long as I don’t mud up…☺️
>>>
>>> Mike in Fair Oaks, CA
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bikeshop A-Hole Video

[Steve]

Thanks for sharing Doug. It was refreshing to hear a shop owner critique 
high end race bikes. Any idea where the guy's shop is located?  His 
personal All Rounder looked pretty sharp.

Steve in Asheville

On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 8:14:34 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> It's a fun video despite the title and if you watch the whole thing you'll 
> even see a Rivendell All Rounder for a few seconds. I thought you all might 
> enjoy this on the heels of Bike Snob's Outside article. It's in the same 
> vein. Enjoy. Video <https://youtu.be/0xN9Hg69Kxw?si=U8cZsdfHtNIjgnFt>

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[RBW] Re: Knobby tires and fenders

[Steve]

Not a direct comparison, but I can share that I've run 42mm Knobbies (WTB 
Resolutes) with both 52mm VO Zeppelins and 58mm Tanaka smooth fenders. I 
also ran a pair of 40mm Continental Terra Speeds (low profile knobs) under 
the Tanakas. Each of those combinations would occasionally kick leaves and 
small  sticks up into the front fender when riding gated fire roads, 
sometimes necessitating a stop to clear the debris. My turf, however, is 
woodsy Appalachian national forest -- a bit different from Patrick's high 
desert.  

This past autumn when the leaves began to fall I pulled the fenders off my 
'dirt bike' and mounted the largest tires the bike would accommodate; 48mm 
RH Oracle Ridge knobbies. I've been delighted with the bigger tires. The 
fenders have been safely stored away, waiting for the day when I decide to 
mount some 38mm RH Barlow Passes on it, swap the upright bars for drops and 
take it on the road.

Steve in Asheville

On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 3:56:47 AM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:

> I'm not sure if this answers the question but perhaps it will help. I run 
> 63mm VO Fluted fenders on my Platypus.  The stated max tire size is 48mm 
> with fenders.  I have the smooth RH Hatcher Pass (48mm) on Velocity Dyads 
> (so they measure closer to 45mm but greater diameter). I switched to knobby 
> Oracle Ridge tires of the same size, and my fenders rubbed on my rear light 
> mounting bolt (inside the fender). So they do require greater clearance for 
> the tire only. I just had to make a very slight rear stay adjustment (2mm) 
> to keep the tires from rubbing.
>
> In general though I prefer at least 10mm of clearance for non-knobby 
> tires. I mostly just do the fender width minus the stated tire width 
> instead of dealing with measuring the gaps everywhere.  So 63mm-48mm is 
> 15mm of stated clearance.
>
> Tom
>
> On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 2:16:38 AM UTC+1 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> Seems like a similar question to the fenders off road (with smooth tires) 
>> question and maxims.
>>
>> I've got no knobby tires as of yet. I've ridden both my Rambouillet and 
>> Coast rando off road and only find the front mudflap an issue. I use two 
>> small bulldog binder clips  to affix the flaps (with their handle bales 
>> removed once mounted) and take them off when surface conditions are such 
>> that I'm picking things up at a rate higher than a low grade nuisance. I'm 
>> not riding at speeds high enough to cause any drama worth posting on social 
>> media. 
>>
>> If my conditions and riding reach the point of requiring greater traction 
>> I would be all over the appropriate sized RH knobs for having dimensions 
>> that match those of the slick (file tread) tires for easy clearance 
>> consideration instead of beta testing all that myself with others' inputs. 
>>
>> After Bill's brevet report I'm eagerly anticipating a long ride down the 
>> GAP which ihas n the past included some snowpack near the divide and plenty 
>> of recently unfrozen limestone dust trail surface that gets a bit spongy 
>> and slightly wheel spinny if trying to push yourself. They have a very nice 
>> uniform low height to width knob profile so they don't wobble under pedal 
>> or steering input. I learned about that with OG Specialized Hardpack 26" x 
>> 2.2"  riding trails off the Continental Divide in south central Colorado, 
>> 1988. Flexy knobs, taller on the sides, will let you down. Abruptly. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 4:36:55 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I am thinking of getting a second wheelset for the 2016 Chauncey 
>>> Matthews "road bike for dirt" to supplement the very nice, very 
>>> all-rounder-type 48 mm labeled/50 actual Soma Supple Vitesse SL wheelset. 
>>> The second wheelset would have knobbies for sand, since the Somas just 
>>> don't have the float and directional stability that I need for our sandy 
>>> trails.
>>>
>>> Riv content: I told Chauncey to measure my 2 (at the time) custom Riv 
>>> Roads and make the new bike handle as much l like those as possible. (And 
>>> with the Somas it does, wonderful; the 60 mm Big Ones wallowed and wandered 
>>> --- not horrible, just not Rivendell-like -- tho' they floated well over 
>>> sand.)
>>>
>>> I am thinking of using RH knobbies -- since the reportedly once 
>>> superlatively light and fast Thunder Burt has gained oz and stiffness 
>>> compared to its first edition. *(730 grams for the 700C X 2.35!!* The 
>>> 2.35 Big Ones are a digitally true 450 grams, and the F Fre

Re: [RBW] Preaching to the choir

[Steve]

I follow the Snob, he's alright.  
I've owned a carbon fiber bike, it was alright.
On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 8:24:49 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> Thanks for sharing this link Keith. I do enjoy the irreverence of Eben, 
> but he certainly seems to be tempering as he ages. Among the salient points 
> he makes, I found the following to be a favorite: 
>
> "See, carbon bikes and components were designed to be serviced by shop 
> technicians and team mechanics, not regular schmucks like you. In fact, 
> you’ve probably even less qualified to work on them than you are to ride 
> them."
>
> As I enjoy tinkering with my bikes almost as much as riding them, it seems 
> metal bicycles are for me.
>
> In the end though, if someone wants to ride a carbon fiber bike for 
> whatever reason then go for it!
>
> Cheers, John
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 10:25:42 AM UTC-8 Jock Dewey wrote:
>
>> BSNYC almost always makes good sense and always makes me happy, often 
>> laughing out loud all by myself.  
>>
>> I have in the past referred to ‘plastic bikes’ (RSchwinn’s moniker) as 
>> BIC bikes, after those cheap disposable one-use pens. 
>>
>> Like so many of you, I’m still riding a Schwinn ‘Waterford’ Paramount 
>> frameset I brought along in 1985. At the time, a prestigious racing machine 
>> along with Masi / Colnago / Bianchi / Cinelli earning many palmares. With 
>> its few nods to modernity e.g. indexed DT levers and 32mm Conti 5000s I 
>> quite happily ride along with all the local carbons and always seem to be 
>> able hold my place in line. Despite the gear restriction of 7-speed vs 11 / 
>> 12 that all the others ride. 
>>
>> So what’s the odds my pals plastic bikes will still be on the road in 
>> 2059?
>>
>>
>> Up close and personal…still not a mark on it after all these years and 
>> all those miles. If we take care of that old Campy stuff, my experience 
>> tells me it’s nearly indestructible. 
>>
>> I still get all giddy every time it comes up in rotation 浪
>>
>> Jock
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 8:15 AM iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>>> Eben Weiss shines a light on the folly of carbon, in the way only he can.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.outsideonline.com/culture/opinion/theres-no-good-reason-to-buy-a-carbon-bike/?fbclid=IwAR0muu-zFYlIDfTmjI3DiAeGq8a9WL0O3NfeyNV6biqV4dGqV-CGxsRbrDU
>>>
>>> While I'm at it, I've been meaning to share this.   A modern roadie 
>>> discovers steel:
>>>
>>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_lh6qCZESZU
>>>
>>>  I enjoy this guy's, Lois Scott's, youtube videos, because he 
>>> articulates the modern rooadie mindset so well.  I left the lycra and aero, 
>>> group-ride mindset behind me so many decades ago that I often feel like 
>>> those people and I speak an entirely different language.  Over the last 
>>> year or so, he discovered steel and became a convert.  There are a number 
>>> of videos on his youtube "channel" documenting his journey.  This is just 
>>> one I could find from near his epiphany.  I think he's taken it further 
>>> since.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Nitto R10

[Steve]

Pam, you might try a trick I've used to stiffen the bag enough to prevent 
sagging. Get your hands on a sheet of corrugated plastic - the same stuff 
that is used for political campaign yard signs (they should soon be readily 
available for no cost ; )   

Cut the plastic sheet to fit the interior width of the bag and long enough 
to cover the bottom and extend up onto the front wall of the bag. The 
corrugations need to run across the width of the cut sheet so you can fold 
it to curve up the front wall. The sheet should be sized to fit slightly 
snug to prevent it shifting around inside the bag. It's a low cost, light 
weight solution that repurposes  bit of plastic that is otherwise destined 
for the land fill.

Your Schwinn looks like a sweet little bike in its own right. 

Steve in Asheville

On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 12:43:31 AM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Thinking about getting a R10 as a bag support - for a small Fab's Chest.  
> This is on my back up Schwinn.  I set it up just like my Betty Foy in case 
> I ever need any parts.  Concerns are that I have a 26.6 seatpost and it 
> says 26.8.  I guess I could get a shim.  Would it hold?  How much is the 
> weight limit for the rack?  And I'm not sure if I have enough seat post to 
> put the clamp.  Right now, I have the pec dec but if I put too much in the 
> bag, it starts to sag and I don't want it dragging on the tire.  

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[RBW] Re: big big chain sizing method dilemma

[Steve]

Brenton, I d mount the RD on at this point and put it through its pace on 
the work stand.  

Steve
On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 3:28:07 PM UTC-5 brenton...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Rear: 11-36, front: 46-34-22
>
> I'm using the big-big chain sizing method recommended by many. Of course 
> though when pulling most of the slack, my master link lines up with an 
> outer link. So instead of adding one link [outer+inner] from the match 
> point to get my cut point, It's *suggested* to add [inner+outer+inner] 
> and the chain is looking droopy as hell. Rest assured I will never be in a 
> big-big situation, ever. My rear derailleur is mid-cage so I'm worried it 
> won't pick up all the slack I'm affording the chain in scenario 1. I mocked 
> up a 34F to 11R situation, which I do end up in on mellow downhills, and it 
> looked crazy loose.
>
> I cut the chain leaving myself the option to cut again, and took photos. 
> First pic is as recommended by park tool youtube, pull to nearest *inner* 
> link, add one extra. Super droopy.
>
> [image: IMG_3012.jpg]
>
> Second pic is mock up of what chain slack would look like if I cut one 
> more [inner+outer] link out. Still has slack, feels like it wouldn't be a 
> problem in any normal gearing. 
>
> [image: IMG_3013.jpg]
>
> RD arrives in the mail today. If this exercise is foolish until I have the 
> RD installed, I can be patient. Just curious if anyone has made the 
> judgement call to only add .5 links instead of 1 full link.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[Steve]

I've been checking this thread daily waiting for these pics.  Very Nice!!! 
 You have put together (I'd even say curated) a standout bike. Well done 
Leah! 

-- when the deep freeze finally thaws and you've had a chance to log a few 
miles on the beauty I'd love to hear your review of the Paul Motolites. 

Steve in Asheville

On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 6:27:46 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> Approve!!!it's a stunner
>
> On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 4:44:01 PM UTC-6 JAS wrote:
>
>> Now you've done it!  That's the fanciest Platy I've ever seen and now 
>> we're all going to be dreaming about how to bedeck our own with jewels.  
>> Just beautiful, Leah.  You'll go faster now too, I'm sure of it!
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 1:42:14 PM UTC-8 tio ryan wrote:
>>
>>> What a lovely bicycle! Appreciate the close up photos with the snowy 
>>> backdrop — I can't get enough 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 4:33:16 PM UTC-5 SallyG wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just beautiful, Leah; thanks for sharing!!
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 1:18 PM Leah Peterson  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I finally got the call to pick up the racing Platypus today! I don’t 
>>>>> think the photos I took can capture how great the Paul stuff looks. The 
>>>>> mechanics all swooned as the bike was wheeled out to the showroom. It 
>>>>> just 
>>>>> looks like it was meant to have these brakes and in this rose color.
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg][image: 
>>>>> image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: image5.jpeg][image: 
>>>>> image6.jpeg][image: image7.jpeg][image: image8.jpeg][image: 
>>>>> image9.jpeg][image: image10.jpeg][image: image11.jpeg][image: 
>>>>> image12.jpeg][image: image13.jpeg][image: image14.jpeg][image: 
>>>>> image15.jpeg]
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 15, 2024, at 11:41 PM, Brenton Eastman  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> the pencil gifting warms my heart!! thanks for sharing
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 1:38:46 PM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Love it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 4:10:31 PM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Congratulations Leah. Now you have a one of a kind brake set on a 
>>>>>>> custom color Platy. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 10:10:51 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @Leah -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am certain with your new anodized bicycle parts will make you 
>>>>>>>> smile loudly with a lot of joy making you go faster than ever before.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Enjoy !
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kim Hetzel enjoying my blue 52cm Clem with a lot of joy and smiles. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 3:40:37 PM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I had the pleasure to meet and converse with Paul at the Philly 
>>>>>>>>> Bike Expo. His approachability, perspective and overall friendliness 
>>>>>>>>> adds 
>>>>>>>>> to the MUSA points and makes me a fan of his parts any time I can use 
>>>>>>>>> them. 
>>>>>>>>> I think I'm dearly holding on to my orange Rambouillet because of the 
>>>>>>>>> center bolt Racer brakes I added years ago to make room for more 
>>>>>>>>> fender and 
>>>>>>>>> tire.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Name that bike "Varod". 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Andy Cheatham 
>>>>>>>>> Pittsburgh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle 
>>>>>>>>> Ding Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and 
>>>>>>>>>> levers came with my bikes and didn’t think any more a

[RBW] Re: ISO: Frame Pump Zefal HpX 1 or Acceptable Alternate

[Steve]

I've been keeping an eye open for a frame pump for my 50cm Platy as well - 
and wondering why RBW spec'ed such a short span for the pump peg. 

I'd love to hang a Silca Impero on it, but even their small (44 - 49 cm / 
17.3 - 19.3 in.) appears to be a bit too long.  

Steve in Asheville

On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 5:00:03 AM UTC-5 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> Hi Christian,
>
> Topeak makes a frame pump for the global market. You can locate new ones 
> from international sellers on eBay. The 4349 has the same spec lengths as 
> the HPX-1.
> https://www.topeak.com/global/en/product/235-ROAD-MASTERBLASTER.
>
> The top-of-the-line Silca Ultimate II went down in price recently, and is 
> actually on sale for $75 until Jan 21. Unfortunately, I think the Small is 
> all sold out. Check suppliers to see if they matched Silca's price.
>
> https://silca.cc/collections/silca-supersecret-semi-anual-sale/products/impero-ultimate-ii-frame-pump-memorial-day-sale?variant=40350946492514
>
> Good luck,
> Ed C.
> Redondo Beach, CA
>
> On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 11:43:21 AM UTC-8 christian poppell wrote:
>
>> Hi Gang, 
>>
>> I'm looking for a HPX-1 for a 50cm Platypus. Space between the peg and 
>> headtube is 410mm. Looking to pay retail for like new and less if the pump 
>> is used. 
>>
>> Also, if anyone has a good alternative I'm all ears with the HPX out of 
>> production. 
>>
>> Thanks! 
>> Christian
>> Phoenix, AZ
>>
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Re: [RBW] OK to post non Rivendell bikes for sale here?

[Steve]

RMRose -  a Gus has taken the place of your  Ibis Mojo 3.  I love it - good 
on you!   You might try listing the Ibis on BoingBoingShredSleds.com   (I 
just made that up, please forgive my warped attempt at humor)  

Seriously though, what could be more Rivendellian than choosing a Clem for 
mountain biking?

On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 11:54:01 PM UTC-5 CMR wrote:

> Great bike, unfortunately off-topic, I can't imagine Grant on a carbon 
> full-suspension!
>
> On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> 2019 Ibis Mojo 3, size large. Fits more like a medium. I am 5’10”. Riv 
>> content? My Gus has taken it’s place.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 4:38 PM, Steve  wrote:
>>
>> You've piqued my curiosity - what's the bike?
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 12:57:17 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The moderator and others can correct me, but I think that if the bike in 
>>> question is relatively aligned with Rivendell tastes and might appeal to 
>>> list members -- if it's generally Rivendellian in taste -- it will be fine. 
>>> I would not post a FS for a modern CF road bike or downhill mountain bike 
>>> here.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 10:41 AM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am still new here & do not want to violate an rules. But, I do have a 
>>>> bicycle that I would like to sell and thought others here might be 
>>>> interested. I will not post here until I hear if it is acceptable. Thanks! 
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Re: [RBW] OK to post non Rivendell bikes for sale here?

[Steve]

You've piqued my curiosity - what's the bike?
Steve

On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 12:57:17 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The moderator and others can correct me, but I think that if the bike in 
> question is relatively aligned with Rivendell tastes and might appeal to 
> list members -- if it's generally Rivendellian in taste -- it will be fine. 
> I would not post a FS for a modern CF road bike or downhill mountain bike 
> here.
>
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 10:41 AM Richard Rose  wrote:
>
>> I am still new here & do not want to violate an rules. But, I do have a 
>> bicycle that I would like to sell and thought others here might be 
>> interested. I will not post here until I hear if it is acceptable. Thanks! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Paul Minimoto Brakes $225 - I have a pair to sell also!

[Steve]

 Patrick, this reference lists the Minimoto as having an 83mm arm length. 
Compare that to the length of your current brakes.  

https://gravelbikearchive.wordpress.com/2014/06/20/v-brake-arm-lengths/. 

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 10:40:23 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Cal, that's helpful.
>
> All: the RH site estimates 47 mm for the OR on a 21 m IW rim. I've got 
> Naches Passes (at 41.5 mm) under VO 50 mm fenders with ~ 1.25 mm of 
> clearance over the tires. 
>
> Does anyone know if this more or less equals in vertical and horizontal 
> extension a 47 m tire?
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 8:31 PM Cal Patterson  wrote:
>
>> I've got a minimoto on the front wheel of my quickbeam, and it fits a RH 
>> 700x48 knobby (oracle ridge)
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Paul Minimoto Brakes $225 - I have a pair to sell also!

[Steve]

Here's what the man has to say about fender clearances for several of his 
brakes, including the Motolites and  Minimotos---  (I happened .to 
watch this one when II was considering brakes for my Platypus. Wound up 
going with Deore Vs but they might turn out to be a placeholder for 
Motolites)

https://www.paulcomp.com/videos/https://www.paulcomp.com/videos/

Is this what's called "hijacking the thread"?  Well, never mind.
On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 4:33:07 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Based on my experience with mini-v brakes and knowing the specs of the 
> mini-motos I would say a heavy MAYBE on 48's. Without seeing it for sure I 
> would probably put a max on 45's. I am actually pretty shocked to hear that 
> 45's with fenders made it even with the pinching.
>
> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 12:31:02 PM UTC-5 Steven Seelig wrote:
>
>> I feel like yes.  The issue for them was that they grabbed the outer 
>> sides of the fenders, which were several centimeters higher than the tires 
>> themselves.  But some 48s may be really 48s with knobbier and some may be 
>> closer to 45s.  My experience was with 45 plus fenders and the fenders 
>> needed to bend in because the higher part of the arms hit them.
>>
>> Others may be able to weigh in.
>>
>> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 11:41:39 AM UTC-5 philip@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Do we think these might clear 48s without fenders then, or a bridge too 
>>> far?
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 15, 2024, at 8:26 AM, 'Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mine are the black version.  They work great and I did find that once 
>>> dialed in, which did take some time, they were great with a nice linear 
>>> response.  However, can't use them on my Platy with 45mm tires AND SKS 
>>> fenders.  Well, I can, but then the fenders bend every time I brake.
>>>
>>>
>>> Same price for the pair - $225 shipped in US.
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Paul Minimoto Brakes $225 - I have a pair to sell also!

[Steve]

Here's what the man has to say about fender clearances for several of his 
brakes, including the Motolites and  Minimotos---  (I happened .to 
watch this one when II was considering brakes for my Platypus. Wound up 
going with Deore Vs but they might turn out to be a placeholder for 
Motolites)

https://www.paulcomp.com/videos/https://www.paulcomp.com/videos/
On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 4:33:07 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Based on my experience with mini-v brakes and knowing the specs of the 
> mini-motos I would say a heavy MAYBE on 48's. Without seeing it for sure I 
> would probably put a max on 45's. I am actually pretty shocked to hear that 
> 45's with fenders made it even with the pinching.
>
> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 12:31:02 PM UTC-5 Steven Seelig wrote:
>
>> I feel like yes.  The issue for them was that they grabbed the outer 
>> sides of the fenders, which were several centimeters higher than the tires 
>> themselves.  But some 48s may be really 48s with knobbier and some may be 
>> closer to 45s.  My experience was with 45 plus fenders and the fenders 
>> needed to bend in because the higher part of the arms hit them.
>>
>> Others may be able to weigh in.
>>
>> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 11:41:39 AM UTC-5 philip@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Do we think these might clear 48s without fenders then, or a bridge too 
>>> far?
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 15, 2024, at 8:26 AM, 'Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mine are the black version.  They work great and I did find that once 
>>> dialed in, which did take some time, they were great with a nice linear 
>>> response.  However, can't use them on my Platy with 45mm tires AND SKS 
>>> fenders.  Well, I can, but then the fenders bend every time I brake.
>>>
>>>
>>> Same price for the pair - $225 shipped in US.
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Orange Blossom Special 2024

[Steve]

Brian, I have to second it - great ride report. Maybe next year I can make 
it down from NC to add another Riv to the mix. Might be fun to put those 
big knobbies on a Platypus.  I should mention though - I hate that kind of 
mud, it grinds away the drive train. 

Steve in Asheville

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 9:08:19 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Great report and a super nice Atlantis build!
>
> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 8:17:27 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This is my first ride report here, and the first big ride on my new-to-me 
>> Toyo Atlantis since fully finishing the build around Christmastime. I spend 
>> winters away from my home in Kentucky and retreat to the relatively warmer 
>> weather of the Tampa Bay area.
>>
>>
>> In early November, I saw a post on The Radavist about an upcoming gravel 
>> adventure ride called “The Orange Blossom Special” taking place near where 
>> I was going to be staying in Florida, so I jumped at the chance to sign up 
>> for a spot. This event featured three route options; 40, 60, and 90 mi. and 
>> promised a variety of incredible terrain among the orange groves of the 
>> Lake Wales Ridge - a geographically unique part of Florida that is the only 
>> part of the peninsula that was never under water. Eons ago, it was more 
>> like a chain of small islands, so the rolling hills full of endless old 
>> orange groves and red, sandy clay roads offer a bit more variety than the 
>> typically flat prairie scrub of central Florida.
>>
>>
>> I was advised that tires bigger than 42mm was recommended, and I was 
>> running 41mm gravel slicks with fenders on the Atlantis, so a few days 
>> before the ride I swapped the slicks and fenders for more of an ATB setup, 
>> with 52mm wide Rene Herse knobbies. It definitely changed the look of the 
>> Atlantis, and made it much more muscular-looking and ready for anything.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_7444.jpg]
>>
>>
>> The morning of the ride, a big storm blew through, so I was aware that 
>> the normally fast clay roads could be the consistency of peanut butter in 
>> places. I felt more confident that I’d made the right decision losing the 
>> fenders. Last thing I wanted was to spend all day scraping clumpy red mud 
>> out of my clogged fenders and cantis. I got a bit of a later start than the 
>> other riders because I didn’t camp at the start like most of the others, 
>> and had to drive about 80 miles from my home. I chose to do the 40+ mi 
>> route due to my already late start, and the potential for difficult road 
>> conditions.
>>
>>
>> The first several miles was solo riding for me, but I quickly caught up 
>> with a group of 8-9 other riders, and we stayed together as a group for 
>> much of the rest of the route. The storied clay roads showed up quickly, 
>> and at first they weren’t too bad. Fairly smooth rolling, but  the 
>> occasional soft section would zap momentum and energy right out of you. 
>> Most of the route was unpaved, but as we got closer to civilization, there 
>> were some stretches of mild, 2-lane highway where we could struggle against 
>> the headwinds.
>>
>>
>> After a break for beers and food in a little town called Frostproof, the 
>> route took us deep into the Arbuckle Tract of the Lake Wales State Forest, 
>> which would eventually turn into the worst riding conditions we would 
>> experience of the day. The peanut butter clay mud was compounded by ruts 
>> created by the occasional vehicle driving through. Although it was slow 
>> going, I was impressed with how the Atlantis effortlessly handled it all. 
>> The knobbies gripped well, and floated through the mud enough to allow me 
>> to keep riding, and not have to do any hike-a-biking, like I witnessed 
>> other riders doing.
>>
>> [image: IMG_7522.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>> The final two miles in the State Forest featured much drier, smoother 
>> clay, and several more miles of 2-lane asphalt - which was a nice treat to 
>> finish up the ride. I was able to ride at my normal speed and finish with 
>> plenty of time to hang out with everyone around a bonfire, where we were 
>> treated with grilled gator tail, homemade tamales, and draft beer from a 
>> local craft brewery.
>>
>> [image: IMG_7523.jpg]
>>
>> It was a great day, and a fantastic ride that was a bit challenging, but 
>> 100% fun. I was hoping that out of the 50 or so riders, I might see another 
>> Riv rider, but I turned out to be the only one. I’ll be looking forward to 
>> doing this event again next year, and I 

Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Steve]

John, well said!!!   At the risk of using a word that has become 
trivialized by consumer culture, you have eloquently described the Zen of 
cycling.  I don't find it on every ride, but it is indeed my goal, and is 
what keeps me coming back for more. 

Steve
On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 11:41:40 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> May each of you reach and fully enjoy reaching each of your SMART goals 
> throughout the upcoming year! 
>
> Steve, I really align with your goal of enjoying each ride, and this will 
> continue to be a goal for me. I find the crux of the matter lies in being 
> *present* during each of my rides; the more present I am the more I seem 
> to enjoy the ride. Being present means I listen to my tires roll over the 
> trail, smell the cedars, and glimpse the birds, fish, and other wildlife or 
> flowers and fungi that adorn our forest and river trails. I feel the 
> vibrations and textures of the landscape, and I appreciate the working of 
> my legs, lungs, and heart in concert to keep me moving. I often find that 
> my mind has a mind of its own and wants to wander to places and times other 
> than the here and now. It's so easy to be distracted by other cares only to 
> snap to some time later and realize that I haven't taken in any of the 
> things that make riding so wonderful. It is a long-standing goal to try and 
> practice this in all I do, and especially when I do that which I love- 
> riding a bike.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 10:16:00 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I like the Wandrer goals especially because it forces one to explore 
>> their surroundings thoroughly. I haven't set a goal specific to this, but I 
>> should consider it. It's probably my top pick for things that are magical 
>> about riding a bike.  It's my kind of competitive. 
>>
>> The only goal I've explicitly set for myself is to bike-commute at least 
>> once every week for the year, excluding vacation weeks. I only need to go 
>> in twice a week, otherwise i'm wfh. It's about an hour's ride each way; not 
>> too long but long enough it takes a bit of commitment.  I typically end up 
>> in the 6000 - 7500 km range for the year. 
>>
>> Another, less explicit goal is to get out for at least a few overnighter 
>> campouts on the bike. Three to six nights is reasonable. We have two dogs, 
>> one of which is quite reactive and a stress-ball, so we can't get 
>> dog-sitters nor take him with; this means I have to leave my partner to 
>> take care of both dogs (which need to be walked separately) so being away 
>> is a bit of an ask; hence the modest goal here. It's a balance. 
>>
>> On Friday 12 January 2024 at 18:32:41 UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> My goals for 2024 are to enjoy every ride I take and to break for coffee 
>>> outdoors on any ride over one hour in duration. We'll see if I can achieve 
>>> them. 
>>>
>>> Steve in Asheville
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 8:19:54 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm planning on completing a 200k, 300k and 400k randonee in 
>>>> preparation for the SRCC Terrible Two (TT), where I am hoping to finish 
>>>> with at least an hour of time to spare.  I've only completed the TT with 
>>>> under 30 minutes to spare and am trying to pick up the pace for "fun", why 
>>>> not?
>>>>
>>>> Toshi
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: First turns of the pedals on my new Platypus

[Steve]

Tim, it looks like your Platypus is coming together nicely. Here's another 
thumbs up for Billie bars on a a Platypus. Aesthetically, to my eye, they 
compliment the bike's flowing lines. More importantly though, their ergos 
suit me.

Spring is on the way!!!   When all that snow starts to melt you just might 
need some fenders.

Steve -- on a 2022 Mermaid Platypus

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 12:25:32 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> That's a nice bike! I totally agree about trigger shifters, they work and 
> I love them. The derailleur my trigger works with on my Clem (SRAM) is also 
> pretty ugly but I can't see it while it's working fabulously on a ride. No 
> problem! 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:28:40 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> We had a rare 41 and sunny day here in upstate NY so I decided to take my 
>> new Platypus for a quick spin. Here are my observations on the complete in 
>> Sergio Green.
>>
>> *Color *- The color looks amazing in the sunlight. Nice little gold hue 
>> to the green. 
>> *Shifters* - I thought I would want to swap the trigger shifter out 
>> right away. On the contrary. The shifting is nice and crisp on the rear 
>> SunRace derailleur. Aesthetically I don't love the way the derailleurs look 
>> (especially the front) but it just shifts so well! I might just leave it 
>> alone. 
>> *Drive train* - The 42/30 Silver crankset is perfect. I usually ride a 
>> 175 crankarms on all my bikes. I don't even notice that this one is a 173. 
>> *Geometry *- My first experience riding a mixte. I got to say my initial 
>> impression is two thumbs up. Rides great and feels surprisingly zippy. The 
>> slack head tube make for a great handling mellow ride. 
>> *Wheels* - The stock wheelset is pretty darn nice! Alex 21's laced to 
>> Novatec hubs. The rear Novetec is dead silent. Folks pay $450 for a Onyx to 
>> get that silent drive. These are pretty nice wheels although I'll probably 
>> build up some Velocity Quills so I can have a dyno hub. 
>> *Bars *- Swapping out the Tosco bars for the Billies was the right 
>> choice for me. I've had good experience with these bars and they will be 
>> great! 
>> *Stem* - I thought I wanted a 13cm stem to accommodate my long arms. 
>> Honestly I don't think I would notice much of a difference going from the 
>> 11cm stem that came with it. 
>>
>> I still need to add grips and install my front rack. This bike is pure 
>> joy so far! 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Fan Club now open for membership

[Steve]

I hear you Ron...life gets busy, even for a retired bum like myself. 

My impression of the BFC though is that it exists as a mechanism to enable 
Rivendell owners and friends of the marque to support RBW's philanthropy. 
The only commitment asked of BFC "members" is to spend a few bucks on 
patches, stickers or apparel.  I like seeing that sort of business 
investment in our larger society, and I am happy to support it. 

For a number of years I regularly attended BMW Motorcycle Owners of America 
camping rallies. A standing feature of BMW MOA  rallies is a raffle with 
the proceeds going to benefit a service agency in the host community. I 
always made it a standing habit to buy a few tickets, as did the vast 
majority of attendees. I felt it was a good thing. Maybe this stems from 
some sort of personal guilt over being privileged enough to indulge my $$$ 
obsessions - but regardless, the result is still a benefit to the society I 
live in.  

I will be proudly displaying my Bicycle Fan Club patch in the map pocket of 
my handlebar bag and keeping my eye peeled for fellow BFC members.

Steve in Asheville



On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 6:12:32 PM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:

> Hi Steve, it's a cool concept - we each have to weigh what it means 
> compared to our existing commitment.  
>
> [image: YB9z8Mu.jpg]
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 5:00:33 PM UTC-6 steve...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> What? Am I the only member in the BFC clubhouse? 
>>
>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 9:50:00 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:
>>
>>> I just now joined the club!
>>>
>>> I like the idea - Good on you G.P. & good on RBW.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bicycle-fan-club?mc_cid=58d4e2075a_eid=5d4cbaf1a4
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Fan Club now open for membership

[Steve]

What? Am I the only member in the BFC clubhouse? 

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 9:50:00 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:

> I just now joined the club!
>
> I like the idea - Good on you G.P. & good on RBW.
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bicycle-fan-club?mc_cid=58d4e2075a_eid=5d4cbaf1a4
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[RBW] Bicycle Fan Club now open for membership

[Steve]

I just now joined the club!

I like the idea - Good on you G.P. & good on RBW.

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bicycle-fan-club?mc_cid=58d4e2075a_eid=5d4cbaf1a4

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Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Steve]

My goals for 2024 are to enjoy every ride I take and to break for coffee 
outdoors on any ride over one hour in duration. We'll see if I can achieve 
them. 

Steve in Asheville


On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 8:19:54 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote:

> I'm planning on completing a 200k, 300k and 400k randonee in preparation 
> for the SRCC Terrible Two (TT), where I am hoping to finish with at least 
> an hour of time to spare.  I've only completed the TT with under 30 minutes 
> to spare and am trying to pick up the pace for "fun", why not?
>
> Toshi
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[Steve]

Oh my! OH MY!!!  This is going to advance your bike to a whole new  level 
of cool (and I mean that in the best possible way). 
Please, promise us all some pictures once you have  it back home.
And your whole experience - just wonderful! 
I'm a bit of a Paul fanboy and now I have a rationale for liking their 
bling even more. 
You know though, Paul brakes are not just pretty - I think you'll be amazed 
by their performance.  

Steve in Asheville
On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 8:56:52 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Big time APPROVE?! I have seen APPROVE before from Bill Lindsay but I 
> don’t think there has been Big time APPROVE. 
>
> This is an honor! I should get a tee shirt made. A tattoo. Something.
> ♥️
> Leah
>
> On Jan 11, 2024, at 8:50 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> That's very good stuff right there.  Big time APPROVE
>
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 5:28:30 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers came 
>> with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO brake 
>> levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly fast and 
>> everything was silver 4 months later. 
>>
>> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
>> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
>> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of 
>> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
>> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee 
>> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
>> the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
>> email) and we made a plan. 
>>
>> We colored it all. 
>>
>> The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. 
>>
>> The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope 
>> had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, 
>> with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. Swoon! 
>> I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered 
>> the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. 
>> Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. 
>>
>> I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this 
>> experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its 
>> way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces back 
>> in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. 
>> I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, “I 
>> have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants 
>> to see what is in these boxes?” 
>>
>> So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little 
>> parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had 
>> never seen. 
>>
>> “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul 
>> emblems. 
>>
>> “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.
>>
>> I left the bike with them and I should have it in the next couple/few 
>> days, depending on how long the blizzard rages for. Not that I’ll get to 
>> ride and try those beautiful Paul parts out; we are getting up to a foot of 
>> snow! For now they are only a visual treat. I can’t even imagine how 
>> enamored I will be when I get to actually USE the brakes. 
>>
>> And what nice people. I was not expecting them to be so personable! I 
>> have heard they are a small operation, but they *are* famous in their 
>> own right - celebrity machinists, really - yet so kind to a layperson like 
>> me.
>>
>> Here’s the photo I got before the parts shipped. “Whatcha think?” he 
>> asked. 
>>
>> Oh, he knew. He knew he knocked it straight outta the park.
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Advantages of triple drivetrains (VO post)

[Steve]

So far I 've not noted anyone else posting my particular combination of 
integers; 44-34-24 on a Velocity Orange triple. 
It started out with a 48t big ring, but my late 90s XT rear derailleur 
couldn't quite deal with the 48x36 cross chained combination. I'm smart 
just enough to know that I'm dumb enough to have eventually shifted into 
that combo.  You could say I had more love for the XT RD than I did for the 
48t ring. I replaced the ring with an inexpensive Origin 8  thinking .  I 
wouldn't use it much anyway.

Turns out I really like the 10t increments on the front end.   Shifting 
between the 3 rings with the chain running in the middle cogs yields steps 
of ~ 10 gear inches. Over the right terrain I've been able to amuse myself 
by using only the front derailleur. 

Steve  


On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:29:16 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "Can those Ultegra triples be found in a square taper or are they all 
> Octalink?"
>
> All Octalink. The previous gen 7/8-spd era Ultegra square taper (600 
> tri-color) were all doubles, if you search long and hard you can find 105 
> triples from that period but I don't think many were produced. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 7:05:47 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Can those Ultegra triples be found in a square taper or are they all 
>> Octalink?
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 8:23:10 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Ultegra 52x42x30 makes a nice compact double.  Just remove the 52 (free) 
>>> and put a guard in its place ($15).  Now you've got a 42x30 with the 
>>> ability to put a smaller ring on the 74 bcd if need be.  The skeleton key 
>>> is indeed a useful FD.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 4:42:09 PM UTC-8 Will M wrote:
>>>
>>>> Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks!  
>>>>
>>>> I swapped out an Ultegra 52x42x30 for a RBW/Silver 42x28 and never 
>>>> looked back.  (Yes, that little Microshift "skeleton key" front derailer 
>>>> is 
>>>> brilliant).  And my Yuba cargo bike got the RBW/Silver 38x24 because the 
>>>> 44x34x24 offered no advantages for a bike that is 100% about transporting 
>>>> "cargo" (kids) in a city.  I get the appeal of 1X's, but some of the 
>>>> analog 
>>>> Yuba long-wheelbase cargo bikes that were spec'ed as 1X got a reputation 
>>>> for throwing chains under load.  Never understood why. 
>>>>
>>>> @ Ron Mc: Love the half-step setup.  Love! Have you seen John 
>>>> Schubert's article "Half Step: The Gearing Choice for the Retrogrouch 
>>>> <https://www.adventurecycling.org/sites/default/assets/resources/gearing_101.pdf>"?
>>>>  
>>>> (Adventure Cyclist magazine, March 2002)  My bucket list includes a 1983 
>>>> Specialized Sequoia with this drivetrain. :-)  
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Will 
>>>> NYC
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 10:43:48 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I did that for years with 48/38/28 triples and close ratio (13-21 
>>>>> commuting, 12-19 gofast) 7 speed drivetrains. It worked well, with most 
>>>>> riding in the middle ring. ?This ws
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 5:02 PM Andrew Turner  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I love a triple paired with an 8 speed or less corncob cassette 
>>>>>> matched to downtube shifters. That's an amazing roadie configuration 
>>>>>> right 
>>>>>> there. Not to mention bomb proof. But I think what rides equally as nice 
>>>>>> is 
>>>>>> 11 speed 2x setups with a wide range cassette in the rear. The choice 
>>>>>> for 
>>>>>> me comes down to looks and vanity. Ron Mc's teaser drivetrain pic is 
>>>>>> really 
>>>>>> scratching an itch for me though! 
>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 5:36:47 PM UTC-6 DavidP wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a couple of bikes with 46/30 front rings and 11-34 cassettes; 
>>>>>>> I end up mainly using them like a double 1x (no, I don't use the 46x11) 
>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>> for these bikes I like it fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In line with Bill's point, pairing a smaller front step with a wider 
>>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Steve]

Tio - I meant to ask about the bag -- Inverted MTB portage bag?

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 7:18:31 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:

> Tio, you've got yourself a good looking Platypus there!!!   It's always 
> nice to see another Man On A Mixte.   Enjoy!!!
>
> Steve
> Platypus
> Ritchey Outback
> Sampson Silverton 650b conversion
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:38:44 PM UTC-5 tio ryan wrote:
>
>> After years of admiration, I finally talked myself into purchasing a 50cm 
>> Platypus complete (Sergio Green) back in November. It arrived mid-December 
>> and brought my current fleet of bikes to 3, each with a different wheel 
>> size: 26", 700c, and now 650b. This purchase was also my first brand new 
>> complete bicycle in over 25 years. I chose the complete since I liked the 
>> cranks/wheels, but knowing how much I like to tinker I should have realized 
>> it wouldn't stay that way for long. 
>>
>> I rode the bike stock for a short while before eventually changing out 
>> the shifters, brakes, bars/stem, seatpost, and adding on a campee rack, 
>> kickstand, and most recently, sks bluemels. I also swapped the chainrings 
>> for my preferred biopace style in a 44/28 combo with a front derailer 
>> delete since I don't need it right now (and the stock one is ugly). With 
>> these changes, this bike is beginning to feel like 'my own' and I've never 
>> owned such a nice bicycle! Here's a photo of how mine looks currently:
>>
>>  [image: platy.jpeg]
>>
>> Bars: Nitto Albatross w/ Control Tech extensions
>> Shifter: Suntour Power Ratchet
>> Brakes: Shimano DXR MX70
>> Pedals: Simworks Taco 
>>
>> It took me a minute to realize the easiest way to carry the bike up to my 
>> 3rd floor apartment is by shouldering it through the rear triangle. Since 
>> learning this, I've had no problem getting the bike in and out of my 
>> apartment, despite it's longer length. My favourite modification is the 
>> upside down shoulder bag that I copied from Roman. Combined with the 
>> kickstand, it provides the perfect place to rest my feet while seated on a 
>> bench. At traffic lights, it's a very comfortable place to sit! 
>>
>> I am absolutely loving this bike and I'm ecstatic to finally own a Riv. 
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:41:29 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> My Platypus complete in Sergio's Green has landed. Swapped out the Tosco 
>>> bars for Billies. Installing a Sims Obento front rack and basket next. I've 
>>> got a long wait until spring! 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:17:00 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What a delight for your wife to see this under the Christmas tree!
>>>>
>>>> Sarah
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 11:13:52 AM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_0972.jpg]
>>>>> Should have reported back sooner but the bike did come in time for 
>>>>> Christmas. 
>>>>> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:59:06 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe! Don't get shiny ball syndrome! You have a most excellent frame 
>>>>>> on its way to you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 9:50:23 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's so exciting! I can't wait to see your new Purple Platy and all 
>>>>>>> the other new bikes out there. Gosh, now I kinda wish *I* was getting a 
>>>>>>> new 
>>>>>>> frame... 樂
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe " wishin' and hopin' " Bernard 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:47:48 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are trickling in. Mine arrives Wednesday. I hope you get your 
>>>>>>>> wife’s in time! 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:44 AM, Josh C  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was just going to ask if anyone had received theirs yet. Hoping 
>>>>>>>> to put my wife's under the tree...or near it I guess. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:52:52 PM UTC-4 Arthur Mayfield 
>>>>>>>> wro

Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Steve]

Tio, you've got yourself a good looking Platypus there!!!   It's always 
nice to see another Man On A Mixte.   Enjoy!!!

Steve
Platypus
Ritchey Outback
Sampson Silverton 650b conversion
On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:38:44 PM UTC-5 tio ryan wrote:

> After years of admiration, I finally talked myself into purchasing a 50cm 
> Platypus complete (Sergio Green) back in November. It arrived mid-December 
> and brought my current fleet of bikes to 3, each with a different wheel 
> size: 26", 700c, and now 650b. This purchase was also my first brand new 
> complete bicycle in over 25 years. I chose the complete since I liked the 
> cranks/wheels, but knowing how much I like to tinker I should have realized 
> it wouldn't stay that way for long. 
>
> I rode the bike stock for a short while before eventually changing out the 
> shifters, brakes, bars/stem, seatpost, and adding on a campee rack, 
> kickstand, and most recently, sks bluemels. I also swapped the chainrings 
> for my preferred biopace style in a 44/28 combo with a front derailer 
> delete since I don't need it right now (and the stock one is ugly). With 
> these changes, this bike is beginning to feel like 'my own' and I've never 
> owned such a nice bicycle! Here's a photo of how mine looks currently:
>
>  [image: platy.jpeg]
>
> Bars: Nitto Albatross w/ Control Tech extensions
> Shifter: Suntour Power Ratchet
> Brakes: Shimano DXR MX70
> Pedals: Simworks Taco 
>
> It took me a minute to realize the easiest way to carry the bike up to my 
> 3rd floor apartment is by shouldering it through the rear triangle. Since 
> learning this, I've had no problem getting the bike in and out of my 
> apartment, despite it's longer length. My favourite modification is the 
> upside down shoulder bag that I copied from Roman. Combined with the 
> kickstand, it provides the perfect place to rest my feet while seated on a 
> bench. At traffic lights, it's a very comfortable place to sit! 
>
> I am absolutely loving this bike and I'm ecstatic to finally own a Riv. 
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:41:29 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> My Platypus complete in Sergio's Green has landed. Swapped out the Tosco 
>> bars for Billies. Installing a Sims Obento front rack and basket next. I've 
>> got a long wait until spring! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:17:00 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What a delight for your wife to see this under the Christmas tree!
>>>
>>> Sarah
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 11:13:52 AM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_0972.jpg]
>>>> Should have reported back sooner but the bike did come in time for 
>>>> Christmas. 
>>>> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:59:06 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Joe! Don't get shiny ball syndrome! You have a most excellent frame on 
>>>>> its way to you!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 9:50:23 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's so exciting! I can't wait to see your new Purple Platy and all 
>>>>>> the other new bikes out there. Gosh, now I kinda wish *I* was getting a 
>>>>>> new 
>>>>>> frame... 樂
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe " wishin' and hopin' " Bernard 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:47:48 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are trickling in. Mine arrives Wednesday. I hope you get your 
>>>>>>> wife’s in time! 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:44 AM, Josh C  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was just going to ask if anyone had received theirs yet. Hoping 
>>>>>>> to put my wife's under the tree...or near it I guess. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:52:52 PM UTC-4 Arthur Mayfield 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My Mermaid Platypus 55 frame arrived today (apparently found in 
>>>>>>>> their stock from last year). This is an *elegant* bike-to-be! All 
>>>>>>>> you who ordered frames or bikes have a real treat coming! I’m waiting 
>>>>>>>> for 
>>>>>>>> wheels to be built, so plenty of time for frame-saving the tubes a

Re: [RBW] Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

[Steve]

Jason, I find your hypothesis to be the most plausible one yet. I think 
most of us will concede that the perception of a bike being fast is a 
subjective thing. It comes down to a bit of magic occurring between the 
rider and the bike and I'd say you have put your finger on what that magic 
is.

Steve in Asheville


 

On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 3:14:10 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> My two hypotheses are 1) the frame stiffness is perfectly matched to your 
> power output at optimal cadence, so you do get that energy return known as 
> planing and/or 2) the fit is perfectly matched to your biomechanics, which 
> I believe can be sensitive enough that even a bike with similar numbers 
> might be ever-so-slightly off and it actually has a pretty adverse effect 
> on your output.  But these are just hypotheses, in reality I have no idea!  
> It does seem that there is a certain 'magic' that cannot be explained by 
> bike weight or aerodynamics.  
>
> On Saturday 6 January 2024 at 11:11:13 UTC-8 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The bikes you like the most ride the fastest.
>>
>> That’s just science!
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 28, 2023, at 2:35 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> This is hardly a new question for me or for others, but it is a question 
>> that strikes me anew when I ride the 1999 Joe Starck and find, once again 
>> as always in getting on for 25 years of ownership that *it's just easier 
>> to maintain speed and cadence in given conditions in given gears,* this 
>> both on the flats and on hills. I remember being struck by this, again at 
>> the start of each ride on it, in the first years of ownership.
>>
>> Tires make a difference, tho' it felt this way with 571 X 23 mm Conti 
>> Grands Prix and Michelin Pro Races and with 559 X 23 mm Specialized Turbos; 
>> with the slightly wider (27.19 mm rear at 60 psi and 27.49 mm front at 55 
>> psi on my 19 mm OW rims) and even lighter and more supple Elk Passes it 
>> feels even faster and *smoother.* 
>>
>> BTW, I wholly discountenance the opinion that harshness or vibration 
>> makes riders think they're going fast. At least, perhaps some people do 
>> that, but I've always associated harshness with slowness and smoothness 
>> with speed. But again, the '99 has always felt *smooth* and *fast.*
>>
>> What provoked this perennial question was my very pleasant mid-afternoon 
>> ride today. My route included about 1 mile of steep hill starting at 
>> Broadway and, feeling tired and sluggish and being old I considered 
>> swapping the Phil 17/19Dingle wheel (76" and 68") with the SA TF wheel (76" 
>> and 57" underdrive), but didn't want the bother and decided I'd just walk 
>> if necessary.
>>
>> I did plan to move the chain to the 19 t/68" gear once I got downtown, 
>> but didn't do this, either. Winds variable up to about 7-8 mph.
>>
>> I took it easy but found myself following some youngster on a thin-tire 
>> 700C derailleur hybrid for about 8 miles; I finally caught up to him at the 
>> first light on Coal and followed him up the climb. I think he was a UNM 
>> student and at least 45 years younger than I, and he put a few yards on me 
>> up the hill spinning in a low gear but I was surprised once again (this is 
>> the point, don't mind my meandering) at *how well and easily* the bike 
>> climbs.
>>
>> ???
>>
>> Planing? The frame is not as over-beefy as the 2003 Goodrich custom but 
>> it's not as light and certainly has fatter tubes than the wonderful 
>> thinwall 531 normal gauge 2020 Matthews replacement of the 2003.
>>
>> Weight? With the Phil it's right at 18 lb without bottle or bag versus 
>> ~28 for the Matthews road with F+R racks, fenders, lights, and SA 3 speed 
>> hub, and versus the 30-31 lb of the Matthews road-bike-for-dirt with 2X10 
>> derailleur drivetrain, 50 mm tires, 2X gauge fenders, dynamo lighting, and 
>> rear rack. But it feels fast on the flats at steady-state cruising. I 
>> daresay that the weight makes a difference on hills, but I *don't* think 
>> that weight is the only reason.
>>
>> I know that some bikes just fit and feel "perfect," and this is one of 
>> them (tho' the 2 Matthewses fit just about the same since I built them up 
>> to do so). That old Herse was a tank that 2 earlier owners sold for cheap 
>> but for me it rode "fast" if not as fast as the 1999 Joe Starck.
>>
>> To end this meandering: since so much of my riding is either errands

[RBW] Re: Maiden voyage with my new Homer

[Steve]

Nice looking build Don - congrats!  I'd say your time spent sweating the 
details paid off. Looks like Albatross bars with Paul levers (both are 
favorites of mine), and are those Paul Racers?

Beware though - I've repeatedly discovered I don't fully know how I want a 
new bike to be finished out until I've put some miles on it - which 
explains my ever burgeoning collection of spare parts.

Steve in Asheville, NC


On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 2:52:27 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Congrats Don! Looks like a nice build. My new Homer frameset is hanging in 
> my basement just waiting for me to hang some parts on it. Can't wait to get 
> it on the road!. 
>
> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 2:11:54 PM UTC-5 Donzaemon wrote:
>
>> Hi folks, I've spent the past few months lurking and soaking up knowledge 
>> in hopes of informing the direction of my Homer build. I sort of agonized 
>> over so many details that it was tough landing on my desired gearing, 
>> wheels, bar tape, etc. One can spend an eternity and never get anywhere so 
>> I finalized on the last few undecided items and had the fine folks at Riv 
>> HQ begin their work. This past Saturday, I finally brought it home. 
>>
>> Pictured below is a stop I made on my ride on the Paradise Loop in Marin 
>> County. Beautiful views of the Bay all throughout this route. Looking 
>> forward to lots more miles in 2024!
>>
>> [image: IMG_9002.jpeg]
>> -don
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Decaleur

[Steve]

Ron, thanks for sharing. Just as I suspected, that is one beautiful 
Raleigh!  I love the attitude the mustache bar with the Acorn rando bag 
lend the bike. 

Nicely done fender install - especially on a frame not designed with 
fenders in mind. I have to agree with you regarding Honjos. I recently 
installed a 650b set of 62mm smooths on my Platypus. They are superb.

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:31:08 PM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:

> Hi Steve, 700c.  
> I've passed buying fender kits, and like the Honjo blanks from Jitensha, 
> so I can drill all my own holes.  
> [image: M0u2TGP.jpg]
>
> I'm also a junkie for Paul Moons with CP brakes.  You can take the wheels 
> off, squeeze the caliper and removed the straddle cable, which lets you 
> remove brake levers to wrap a bar without replacing or even adjusting a 
> brake cable.  
> [image: O10B0QK.jpg] [image: FPidPyH.jpg] [image: BDK1H7W.jpg]
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 8:17:02 PM UTC-6 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ron, I'm just now catching up with your thread. Let me say if I may  - 
>> you have put together some exceptional builds. I'm intrigued by the Raleigh 
>> - that is a Raleigh International? Judging from the placement of the brake 
>> pads and the presence of fenders I'm guessing you've built it as a 650b 
>> conversion. I'd love to see a bit more of it. 
>>
>> I have a soft spot for old Raleighs - an early 1970s Gran Sport was the 
>> second bicycle I purchased for myself, happily replacing a stolen Schwinn 
>> Varsity.  I lusted for a Professional, but only had the coin for the GS 
>> back in my student days. 
>>
>> Steve in Asheville, NC
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 3:59:20 PM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> John, one more thing while I'm thinking about it.  
>>> The F106 opens from the bottom front toward the rear - what I wanted to 
>>> add, it doesn't have a tombstone sleeve.  
>>> It takes some creative strapping to secure it to a front rack - and 
>>> again, I'm delighted with it on this bike and for this use.  
>>> [image: a4P4250002.JPG] [image: a4P4250006.JPG] [image: a4P5060004.JPG]
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi John, yes, that's the F106 - it must be the biggest front bag out 
>>>> there.  
>>>>
>>>> It otherwise opens backwards, but works well in this configuration.  
>>>> The decaleur replaced those red straps and provides much more overall 
>>>> support.  
>>>>
>>>> [image: P1160004 (2).JPG]
>>>>
>>>> This is my bike-fish bike - can pedal it to county road crossings with 
>>>> moratorium on parking cars - roll it into the flood plain sendero, cafe 
>>>> lock to a tree - you're out of the county right of way and into state 
>>>> navigation rights.  Also take it every winter to Laguna Atascosa NWR - 
>>>> 98,000 acres along Cayo and Laguna Madre shores - it all belongs to bikes 
>>>> and ocelots - the macadam was closed to motors 15 years ago.  
>>>> All bike items are in the saddlebag, especially fold-up tire and a gang 
>>>> of tubes, all repair items - also, a fishing bag will strap on the Ostrich 
>>>> S-2 saddlebag using the built-in straps.  
>>>>
>>>> I have 3 rods that will fit in the half-frame bag, 6-pc fly rod, Smith 
>>>> telescoping stream trout casting, and Legit Design 5-pc inshore casting.  
>>>> The massive front bag will carry boots with extra room, or snugs a 15-l 
>>>> Ice Mule with a 6-pack.  
>>>> The front bag also expands upward, and can keep a redfish catch chilled 
>>>> in the open ice mule.  
>>>>
>>>> something else to show on the S-2 saddlebag, it has a bottom sleeve 
>>>> that fits Nitto Erlen bag support literally like a glove.  
>>>> The Erlen bag support stacks on seat rails.  
>>>> [image: aP1160004.JPG]
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 1:11:36 PM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ron, I haven't seen an Ostrich bag like yours. Is this a F-106? Does 
>>>>> the lid open away from you or toward you when riding? 
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:12:01 AM UTC-8 Ron Mc wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the result with the new decaleur on my 15-l Ostrich front bag 
>>>>>> on Viner gravel bike - rock solid
>>>>>>
>>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Decaleur

[Steve]

Ron, thanks for sharing. Just as I suspected, that is one beautiful 
Raleigh!  I love the attitude the mustache bar with the Acorn rando bag 
lend the bike. 

Nicely done fender install - especially on a frame not designed with 
fenders in mind. I have too agree with you regarding Honjos. I recently 
installed a 650b set of 62mm smooths on my Platypus. They are superb.


On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:31:08 PM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:

> Hi Steve, 700c.  
> I've passed buying fender kits, and like the Honjo blanks from Jitensha, 
> so I can drill all my own holes.  
> [image: M0u2TGP.jpg]
>
> I'm also a junkie for Paul Moons with CP brakes.  You can take the wheels 
> off, squeeze the caliper and removed the straddle cable, which lets you 
> remove brake levers to wrap a bar without replacing or even adjusting a 
> brake cable.  
> [image: O10B0QK.jpg] [image: FPidPyH.jpg] [image: BDK1H7W.jpg]
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 8:17:02 PM UTC-6 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ron, I'm just now catching up with your thread. Let me say if I may  - 
>> you have put together some exceptional builds. I'm intrigued by the Raleigh 
>> - that is a Raleigh International? Judging from the placement of the brake 
>> pads and the presence of fenders I'm guessing you've built it as a 650b 
>> conversion. I'd love to see a bit more of it. 
>>
>> I have a soft spot for old Raleighs - an early 1970s Gran Sport was the 
>> second bicycle I purchased for myself, happily replacing a stolen Schwinn 
>> Varsity.  I lusted for a Professional, but only had the coin for the GS 
>> back in my student days. 
>>
>> Steve in Asheville, NC
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 3:59:20 PM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> John, one more thing while I'm thinking about it.  
>>> The F106 opens from the bottom front toward the rear - what I wanted to 
>>> add, it doesn't have a tombstone sleeve.  
>>> It takes some creative strapping to secure it to a front rack - and 
>>> again, I'm delighted with it on this bike and for this use.  
>>> [image: a4P4250002.JPG] [image: a4P4250006.JPG] [image: a4P5060004.JPG]
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi John, yes, that's the F106 - it must be the biggest front bag out 
>>>> there.  
>>>>
>>>> It otherwise opens backwards, but works well in this configuration.  
>>>> The decaleur replaced those red straps and provides much more overall 
>>>> support.  
>>>>
>>>> [image: P1160004 (2).JPG]
>>>>
>>>> This is my bike-fish bike - can pedal it to county road crossings with 
>>>> moratorium on parking cars - roll it into the flood plain sendero, cafe 
>>>> lock to a tree - you're out of the county right of way and into state 
>>>> navigation rights.  Also take it every winter to Laguna Atascosa NWR - 
>>>> 98,000 acres along Cayo and Laguna Madre shores - it all belongs to bikes 
>>>> and ocelots - the macadam was closed to motors 15 years ago.  
>>>> All bike items are in the saddlebag, especially fold-up tire and a gang 
>>>> of tubes, all repair items - also, a fishing bag will strap on the Ostrich 
>>>> S-2 saddlebag using the built-in straps.  
>>>>
>>>> I have 3 rods that will fit in the half-frame bag, 6-pc fly rod, Smith 
>>>> telescoping stream trout casting, and Legit Design 5-pc inshore casting.  
>>>> The massive front bag will carry boots with extra room, or snugs a 15-l 
>>>> Ice Mule with a 6-pack.  
>>>> The front bag also expands upward, and can keep a redfish catch chilled 
>>>> in the open ice mule.  
>>>>
>>>> something else to show on the S-2 saddlebag, it has a bottom sleeve 
>>>> that fits Nitto Erlen bag support literally like a glove.  
>>>> The Erlen bag support stacks on seat rails.  
>>>> [image: aP1160004.JPG]
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 1:11:36 PM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ron, I haven't seen an Ostrich bag like yours. Is this a F-106? Does 
>>>>> the lid open away from you or toward you when riding? 
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:12:01 AM UTC-8 Ron Mc wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the result with the new decaleur on my 15-l Ostrich front bag 
>>>>>> on Viner gravel bike - rock solid
>>>>>>
>>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Decaleur

[Steve]

Ron, I'm just now catching up with your thread. Let me say if I may  - you 
have put together some exceptional builds. I'm intrigued by the Raleigh - 
that is a Raleigh International? Judging from the placement of the brake 
pads and the presence of fenders I'm guessing you've built it as a 650b 
conversion. I'd love to see a bit more of it. 

I have a soft spot for old Raleighs - an early 1970s Gran Sport was the 
second bicycle I purchased for myself, happily replacing a stolen Schwinn 
Varsity.  I lusted for a Professional, but only had the coin for the GS 
back in my student days. 

Steve in Asheville, NC

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 3:59:20 PM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:

>
> John, one more thing while I'm thinking about it.  
> The F106 opens from the bottom front toward the rear - what I wanted to 
> add, it doesn't have a tombstone sleeve.  
> It takes some creative strapping to secure it to a front rack - and again, 
> I'm delighted with it on this bike and for this use.  
> [image: a4P4250002.JPG] [image: a4P4250006.JPG] [image: a4P5060004.JPG]
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi John, yes, that's the F106 - it must be the biggest front bag out 
>> there.  
>>
>> It otherwise opens backwards, but works well in this configuration.  
>> The decaleur replaced those red straps and provides much more overall 
>> support.  
>>
>> [image: P1160004 (2).JPG]
>>
>> This is my bike-fish bike - can pedal it to county road crossings with 
>> moratorium on parking cars - roll it into the flood plain sendero, cafe 
>> lock to a tree - you're out of the county right of way and into state 
>> navigation rights.  Also take it every winter to Laguna Atascosa NWR - 
>> 98,000 acres along Cayo and Laguna Madre shores - it all belongs to bikes 
>> and ocelots - the macadam was closed to motors 15 years ago.  
>> All bike items are in the saddlebag, especially fold-up tire and a gang 
>> of tubes, all repair items - also, a fishing bag will strap on the Ostrich 
>> S-2 saddlebag using the built-in straps.  
>>
>> I have 3 rods that will fit in the half-frame bag, 6-pc fly rod, Smith 
>> telescoping stream trout casting, and Legit Design 5-pc inshore casting.  
>> The massive front bag will carry boots with extra room, or snugs a 15-l 
>> Ice Mule with a 6-pack.  
>> The front bag also expands upward, and can keep a redfish catch chilled 
>> in the open ice mule.  
>>
>> something else to show on the S-2 saddlebag, it has a bottom sleeve that 
>> fits Nitto Erlen bag support literally like a glove.  
>> The Erlen bag support stacks on seat rails.  
>> [image: aP1160004.JPG]
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 1:11:36 PM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Ron, I haven't seen an Ostrich bag like yours. Is this a F-106? Does the 
>>> lid open away from you or toward you when riding? 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:12:01 AM UTC-8 Ron Mc wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's the result with the new decaleur on my 15-l Ostrich front bag on 
>>>> Viner gravel bike - rock solid
>>>>
>>>> [image: a7PB030002.JPG]
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 12:10:01 PM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Rich, 
>>>>> They're like sapphires all over the bike.  
>>>>> There are a few choices for the titanium, Wanyifa sells on Amazon and 
>>>>> Ali Express; ebay seller Great Gears, and automotive shops like Acer and 
>>>>> ProBolt.  
>>>>> For the brake bolts, I went to the quality automotive shops, for the 
>>>>> trim parts, was happy with Amazon delivery.  
>>>>> [image: a4P3120003.JPG]  [image: a4P3120005.JPG]
>>>>> Seatpost clamp bolt from Germany.  
>>>>> Also found a couple of Rocky Mountain vendors with titanium bottle 
>>>>> cage.  
>>>>> [image: a4P3120011.JPG]  [image: 4P9080004.JPG]
>>>>>
>>>>> I started this nonsense when I was hanging a double kickstand on my 
>>>>> Viner to keep it stable with a loaded 15-l front bag.  
>>>>> Discovered I could replace this much steel with titanium ordering 
>>>>> custom from Wanyifa.  
>>>>> I've worked this bike over, replacing M5 w/ Ti
>>>>> [image: 7pSd0pS.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 11:36:00 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Ron,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No

[RBW] Re: FS: Jumbo Rosco Bubbe Iditabike

[Steve]

Nice build Kai - for sure the wildest Rivendell I've seen yet. Just looking 
at your pics makes me want to go bike packing. Dare I say gnarly ?!? 

Sooner or later  it's gonna snow and you're gonna miss that two wheeled 
pack mule . 

On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:31:47 AM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Beautiful bike!
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 11:35:50 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Nice bike but what size is it?  I only the sizes Riv offers.  I'm on the 
>> short end 47.  When was it built?  Was it a protoype for the Betty Foy or 
>> Cheviot?
>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 7:03:57 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>
>>> This legitimately might be one of the coolest niche Rivendell builds 
>>> I've seen. *slowly leaves room to avoid impulse decisions* 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 3:15:55 PM UTC-8 Bones wrote:
>>>
 I thought the day would never come! Really cool bike Kai. I'm sure 
 you'll find it a new home.

 Bones

 On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 5:33:04 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
 NY wrote:

> Multiple Roscos and multiple bills aren’t adding up, and ever since I 
> put it together, it hasn’t snowed. So here for sale is the bestest bike 
> for the larger folks out there. I think it measures 64 at the seat tube, 
> but I’ve got a geometry chart somewhere I’ll plug in here asap. 
> Pictures
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/U18G3VtrhaWFDisWA
> Some weird rare parts, some not. Heartily patinated racks with 
> internally wired dynamo lights and handmade wooden fenders (pretty 
> lightweight actually). Racks and fenders made by me, the front rack can 
> carry anything you can get into some panniers, with the rear rack only 
> ever 
> having held that light there and the fender steady, as I’m hesitant to 
> load 
> up the back of toptubeless frame. 
> I’m keeping the grips and the seat, but everything else you see is 
> included. Also included is a new Mavic 319 rim for when you’d like to 
> swap 
> out the front. Rear wheel came with my Clem and hasn’t seen much of the 
> world.
> Very rare! Highly collectible?!
> $2000.
> Thanks for looking, and happy rolling to all
> -Kai
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB – Nitto 34F Rack

[Steve]

One more plug for Ben's. I've purchased a few different Carradice items 
from them in the past. Just a few weeks ago I ordered a Nitto M-12 rack 
from them and then freaked out thinking it would not work with the V-brakes 
I have on the bike (Nitto specifies that they are for canti brakes). I 
exchanged emails with a gentleman in the shop named Drew who took the time 
to look at some pics of my fork and determined that it "should work" - and 
it did.

My first choice is always my favorite LBS, followed by RBW - - but there 
are times when they just don't have what I'm looking for.

Steve. in Asheville, NC
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 3:33:49 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Ben's Cycle for the win Luke ! 
>
> On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 3:07:07 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Hey all! I found one for $260 shipped, but don’t wanna pay that much if I 
>> can avoid it. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: "Grant hates toe clips."

[Steve]

And here's another rider who wore Beta Bikers back in the day with toe 
clips and straps, then Look clipless pedals with the big honkin' cleats, 
then some Speedplays till I wore them out, and finally settled on SPDs.   
(As an aside, I think the Looks were the best of any of them, but lawdy - 
those cleats!)

Then about two years ago my knees began to bother me on longer climbs. 
I geared the bike down in increments x 3, winding up with a 19" low, but no 
improvement.  Finally, this past summer in a bit of a pique I decided to 
try flat pedals. Within just a few weeks I was climbing pain free.  

I was reluctant to abandon clipping in, I like the way they promote a 
smooth spin,  but it was time for a compromise.  I maybe could have played 
with Q-factor or tried something with a few more degrees of float, but I 
found that after maybe a half dozen rides my technique adapted to the 
spiked flats. I sprang for a pair of flat MTB shoes, which I found play 
very nicely with the pedals. I'd arrived at Grant's point of view - though 
perhaps for a different reason.

So there you have it; when your knees are trying to tell you something - 
listen to 'em. 

Steve in Asheville, NC
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 9:21:18 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> Patrick - my experiences with pedal retention or the lack thereof pretty 
> much mirrors yours, almost verbatim.  And I agree that through the years of 
> clips and straps with or without cleats, LOOK type clipless, SPD clipless, 
> and occasional dip into simple platforms with pins, I've finally settled on 
> SPD clipless as well.  And I like the dual sided pedals with an SPD 
> retention on one side and plain platform on the other.
> *However*, having said all that I would add and agree that I do not like 
> to ride without pedal retention (with the exception of one of my bikes that 
> I use for running errands in near proximity - that one has platforms).  And 
> so...blasphemous as it may sound to the ears of those in Walnut Creek, I 
> think pedal retention improves "correct pedaling."  And by that I mean the 
> ability to spin better in lower gears, the ability to "dig in" to the pedal 
> at the 7 o'clock position of a down-stroke, the ability to stand all the 
> way up tough climbs without worry about slipping a foot off a pedal - all 
> of which, in my experience is much easier on the knees, the IT band, and 
> other leg muscle groups.
> OK, I'm ready to duck for cover now...
>
> On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 7:44:43 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> First entry in new Blahg. And no, he doesn't; he reports someone's 
>> out-of-context judgment.
>>
>> But I'm curious how many on this RBW list like and use retention and how 
>> many don't; and of the former, how many use toe clips and how many use 
>> clipless systems -- and what kind.
>>
>> I'll start: I rode fast for years and thousands of miles in Keds with 
>> thick, soft soles and then rubber-soled lace ups of other sorts on 
>> un-clipped rat-trap pedals (and even rubber block pedals) until in about 
>> 1990 I got my first relatively expensive road bike (1989 Falcon, tout 531C 
>> with Sante group) and decided largely because of bike mag content that I'd 
>> better get with the retention program. I started with Bata Bikers and clips 
>> and straps, graduated to clips and straps and slotted cleats, then pretty 
>> quickly switched to the burgeoning varieties of clipless -- Sampson 
>> Stratics, Grafton "Erector Set" road and mtb pedals, Speedplay X1s and 
>> Frogs, Looks of various sorts, and finally SPDs, road and mtb (by "road" I 
>> mean the ones that came out for about 1 season long long ago with the mtb 
>> mechanism). 
>>
>> A couple of years ago I tried platforms with spikes and no-retention 
>> shoes but after about a month of annoyance always shifting my foot to find 
>> the right position I gave up and went back to SPDs. I've got SPDs on all my 
>> bikes though I've got a very nice set of XC Pros + clips and straps + 
>> almost-as-new wood-soled Duegis with cleats that I'd like to try -- I found 
>> slotted cleats with semi-tight straps easier with a fixed drivetrain than 
>> Look Keos -- except that SPDs are so perfect.
>>
>> So, I've round that having gotten used to retention I find it very hard 
>> to give it up. I daresay that this habituation is stronger since so much of 
>> my riding is on fixed drivetrains, but I'd still want at least clips and 
>> loose-ish straps with rubber soles for any freewheel drivetrain.
>>
>> But again, SPDs just feel so perfect that I will probably just stay with 
>> them.
>>
>> Best wishes to all for the Christmas season.
&g

[RBW] Re: New Bike Stuff Day

[Steve]

Matt in STL - thanks for the compliment. The Ruthworks rando bag is 
constructed with a sleeve that the 'tombstone loop'  on the rack slips up 
into - it's a fairly snug fit. The underside of the bag is then secured to 
the rack with velcro straps. It was perfectly stable on its maiden voyage, 
even on a long fire road descent.  If it loosens up over time, it does have 
a loop for an additional strap on the underside. What appears to be an 
anchor is a small carabiner that I added to make it easier to secure the 
closure for the top flap - the bars sit too far above the 8" bag to secure 
it over the stem in traditional rando fashion, though I may play around 
with attaching a ring to the neck of the stem. If you're not familiar with 
Ruthworks, it's a one man operation in San Francisco - 
https://www.ruthworkssf.com   
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 3:02:30 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

>
> Wow it looks great. I didn’t even see the fenders until you pointed them 
> out. By being understated, the graceful frame is more of a standout.  I 
> haven’t thought of taking my Platy off road, but perhaps I will now. 
> Roberta 
> On Saturday, December 23, 2023 at 9:52:21 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I spent the morning mounting up some bike stuff I've been acquiring 
>> recently. A B-17 to replace it's predecessor a C-17 (not a bad saddle, but 
>> not in the same comfort league as the B models, though your keister may 
>> differ); 42mm RH 650b slicks (stepping up from 38s); a Nitto M-12 (I 
>> worried it might collide with the V-brake cable but it fit !); and lastly, 
>> a Ruthworks 8" Rando bag (love at first sight). 
>> Grabbed some lunch and headed out for a few miles of forest service road, 
>> a stretch on the Blue Ridge Parkway and a bit of smooth single track.The 
>> weather was perfect..
>>
>> -- I've only been riding the Platypus since mid-summer and had considered 
>> it to be more of a pavement/rail trail bike. Today's ride opened my eyes to 
>> just how capable this thing is.  
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> [image: 35912B89-A62C-4073-8C64-96850F581815.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: 22892EC1-62D1-49E3-9A10-E1EE7A6B0F42.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: 251A34BC-59A6-4FEA-AA29-F3A25879C6F4.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: 08CD7D59-77A7-4FB9-8BA8-D95C65B6C116.jpeg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: 90-year-old cyclist: remarkable video

[Steve]

MARVELOUS!!!  Thank you Patrick for sharing this.

On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 5:59:04 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> That was wonderful.
>
> If  you move the cursor to the progress bar below the video but not stop, 
> rewind or advance the frame , becomes a profile such as a ride route. Very 
> subtle!
>
> That imagery of progress in a person's biography projected as the profile 
> of a route is extremely communicative, I got it immediately
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 4:03:25 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> For those of you who don't read BSNYC: https://youtu.be/tgUC0zyu4p0
>>
>> 90 "at the end of the year" and he still does 400-600 km per month.
>>
>> Remarkable! Vigorous in mind and soul as well as in body. I suppose that 
>> his history counts for a lot in this: born into poverty in 1933, working 
>> from age 16 or so, growing up and living his professional life during "les 
>> trentes glorieuses" in what seems to be a non-mega-urban setting close to 
>> the countryside and with lovely cycling routes, close lifelong family ties.
>>
>> At about 10:05: "at 75 I could still climb the Tourmalet and the Galabier 
>> ..."
>>
>> *And* he does this without electric assist, *and* gets by with 
>> (apparently) Campy single pivots despite thoughts about falling at his 
>> advanced age.
>>
>> Wonderful video. Cross posting because it might well interest those who 
>> don't belong to both lists.
>>
>> "My youth is renewed like the eagle's."
>>
>> -- 
>>
>>
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing 
>> services
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>>
>> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>>
>> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
>>
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[RBW] Re: Opinions sought - Platypus needs wheels

[Steve]

Thank you guys for sharing your thoughts/opinions. Definitely going with DB 
spokes, upon your advice. 

Velocity Quills and DT Swiss 350s it will be - NWD (new wheels day) coming 
soon for me!

Steve, the Lousy Poet

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 9:49:33 PM UTC-5 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> Like Tim, I suggest spending the extra money on double butted spokes since 
> you're having a custom set built. Otherwise, I like your baseline 
> selections. 
> On the hubs, I personally would opt for the DT Swiss 350s. IMO it's a 
> nicer hub, easy to work on, tremendous flexibility, and gives you the 
> option to upgrade to the higher tooth freehub ratchet.
>
> --Ed C.
> Redondo Beach, CA
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 6:12:42 PM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>  When I built up my Platypus this past summer I borrowed the wheels off 
>> of another bike - now I'm ready to give the Platy her very own 650b 
>> wheels.
>>
>> The build is road oriented, intended mostly for day rides and maybe some 
>> light touring. Currently running 38mm slicks but plan to replace them with 
>> something in the 42 - 44mm range. The bike weighs a bit under 30 lbs and 
>> I'm about 165 lbs. 
>>
>> I have a wheel set cued up with Pro Wheel Builders; Velocity Quill 32 
>> hole rims, straight gauge spokes,   and DT Swiss 350 hubs (the 2021 
>> version). I'm also considering letting Velocity build them for me using 
>> their Racer hubs instead of the 350s. Before I pull the trigger though I'd 
>> love to hear what thoughts or opinions others might have.  Thanks, Steve
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB/Info Needed. German Mirror Screw

[Steve]

Roberta, I'm betting that if you took your mirror to a hardware store that 
stocks metric fasteners you'd find a suitable replacement. Over the years 
I've found pretty much everything I've needed fastener wise at my local Ace 
Hardware which has a large selection of metric sized stainless steel 
fasteners, albeit over priced.   

Steve

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 7:57:40 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> I lost the screw that keeps the German mirror housing snugged, so the 
> mirror doesn't flop around.  Does anyone know what size screw I need or 
> have one I can buy?
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] Re: New bike day: 60cm Sergio Green Platypus complete

[Steve]

Brett, Congrats on the new Platypus. I built one up this past summer (50cm 
with 650b wheels) and have been loving it. I have to concur with your first 
impression - not particularly fast, but supremely comfortable. And I'll add 
"capable and sure footed' to the descriptors. It has acquitted itself well 
on everything from big climbs and descents on the Blue Ridge Parkway to 
light gravel and single track, all on 38mm slicks. It's a definite keeper!
On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:48:09 PM UTC-5 BrettG wrote:

> Some additional info some may find useful (I couldn't put in original 
> message because too long)
>
> - Roman confirmed this morning it does not come with a saddle so I think 
> website description wrong (there was a discussion about this somewhere).
> - Cranks are 173s (for 60cm anyway).
> - Tires are 48mm and awesome!  Perfect for this bike.
> - Gearing was also perfect- 42/30 with 11-34.  I used the full range on 
> the ride and didn't need anything higher or lower.
> - "Lower end" Sunrace drivetrain worked really well.  Not sure about 
> longer term durability but I was impressed.
> - The cheaper V-brakes/levers always worked really well.  Felt great.
> - Even though wheelset is  "machine built" they seemed to fine to me.  
> Perfectly true and even tension.  Will just have to monitor longer term.
>
> Brett.
>

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[RBW] Opinions sought - Platypus needs wheels

[Steve]

 When I built up my Platypus this past summer I borrowed the wheels off of 
another bike - now I'm ready to give the Platy her very own 650b wheels.

The build is road oriented, intended mostly for day rides and maybe some 
light touring. Currently running 38mm slicks but plan to replace them with 
something in the 42 - 44mm range. The bike weighs a bit under 30 lbs and 
I'm about 165 lbs. 

I have a wheel set cued up with Pro Wheel Builders; Velocity Quill 32 hole 
rims, straight gauge spokes,   and DT Swiss 350 hubs (the 2021 version). 
I'm also considering letting Velocity build them for me using their Racer 
hubs instead of the 350s. Before I pull the trigger though I'd love to hear 
what thoughts or opinions others might have.  Thanks, Steve

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day X2

[Steve]

Tim, as a fellow XY chromosome'd mixte rider ('22 Platypus with Billie 
Bars) I had to chuckle at your "proud Man on a Mixte" appellation.  Perhaps 
some day we'll have to establish a MOAM subgroup on this site. 

You may have run across this "Me and My Mixte" blog post from 2011, if not, 
here it is: 
http://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2011/02/me-and-mixte.html

Steve

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 9:13:52 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Tim, that is exciting news! And please post pictures because we need more 
> men on mixtes! Every time I find one I show my fiance and say, "see, this 
> is a great men's bike!" And he looks at me side eyed. Which makes me want a 
> "Men on Mixtes Calendar" Maybe it's a project for next year. 
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 8:04:01 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Hello Riv Bunch, 
>>
>> My first Riv was a 2TT Sam Hilborne that I purchased in 2017. I had an 
>> Appaloosa that I sold just over a year ago. I've regretted selling my Joe 
>> ever since. I even saw my old 2TT silver Appaloosa at this years Nutmeg 
>> Nor'Easter. I thought about offering to buy it back but I never did ask the 
>> new owner. I doubt he would have sold it back to me anyway. The only 
>> consolation is that the new owner told me that he loves the bike and rides 
>> it nearly every day. 
>>
>> While at the NNE I saw so many cool Riv's. I was talking to fellow Riv 
>> Bunch member Justin Kennedy about his Platypus. My UBU (unresonable bike 
>> urge) has been in high gear ever since. 
>>
>> I will soon become a proud Man on a Mixte and my 60cm Sergio Green 
>> complete will be on the way to me very soon. I'm going to change the bars 
>> right away to Billie's and will build a nicer wheelset with a Dyno hub 
>> before getting it on the road. I figured if Leah can own 3 Platypus's its 
>> got to be a good bike! I'm exciting for it's arrival and can't wait to ride 
>> it. 
>>
>> The second inbound Riv is a A. Homer Hilsen frameset. I'm going to build 
>> the Homer up as a drop bar road bike keeping it rackless and light as 
>> possible. I am thinking about building it as a retro mod with downtube 
>> shifter and some older parts. I still need to decide on that. Anyway I 
>> thought I'd share the exciting news with fellow bike nerds. The Sam, Platy 
>> and AHH will give me a nice collection.  I am feeling very fortunate to be 
>> able to add two new bikes to my collection. N+2!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day X2

[Steve]

Tim, as a fellow XY chromosome'd mixte rider ('22 Platypus with Billie 
Bars) I had to chuckle at your "proud Man on a Mixte" appellation.  Perhaps 
some day we'll have to establish a MOAM subgroup on this site. 

You may have run across this blog post from 2011, if not, here it is: 
http://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2011/02/me-and-mixte.html

Steve
On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 9:13:52 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Tim, that is exciting news! And please post pictures because we need more 
> men on mixtes! Every time I find one I show my fiance and say, "see, this 
> is a great men's bike!" And he looks at me side eyed. Which makes me want a 
> "Men on Mixtes Calendar" Maybe it's a project for next year. 
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 8:04:01 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Hello Riv Bunch, 
>>
>> My first Riv was a 2TT Sam Hilborne that I purchased in 2017. I had an 
>> Appaloosa that I sold just over a year ago. I've regretted selling my Joe 
>> ever since. I even saw my old 2TT silver Appaloosa at this years Nutmeg 
>> Nor'Easter. I thought about offering to buy it back but I never did ask the 
>> new owner. I doubt he would have sold it back to me anyway. The only 
>> consolation is that the new owner told me that he loves the bike and rides 
>> it nearly every day. 
>>
>> While at the NNE I saw so many cool Riv's. I was talking to fellow Riv 
>> Bunch member Justin Kennedy about his Platypus. My UBU (unresonable bike 
>> urge) has been in high gear ever since. 
>>
>> I will soon become a proud Man on a Mixte and my 60cm Sergio Green 
>> complete will be on the way to me very soon. I'm going to change the bars 
>> right away to Billie's and will build a nicer wheelset with a Dyno hub 
>> before getting it on the road. I figured if Leah can own 3 Platypus's its 
>> got to be a good bike! I'm exciting for it's arrival and can't wait to ride 
>> it. 
>>
>> The second inbound Riv is a A. Homer Hilsen frameset. I'm going to build 
>> the Homer up as a drop bar road bike keeping it rackless and light as 
>> possible. I am thinking about building it as a retro mod with downtube 
>> shifter and some older parts. I still need to decide on that. Anyway I 
>> thought I'd share the exciting news with fellow bike nerds. The Sam, Platy 
>> and AHH will give me a nice collection.  I am feeling very fortunate to be 
>> able to add two new bikes to my collection. N+2!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: NBD: VO Polyvalent

[Steve]

Matthew, be sure to show it off with some pics when you get the PolyV built 
up. I think they're an intriguing frameset, both the Lowkicker and the 
diamond. Not trying to influence you here, but I love this Blue Lug build:



On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:38:12 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> Love it. The VO stuff is nice. I've used several different bits from them 
> from wheels to racks, fenders, and stems. I've not had a frame but wouldn't 
> hesitate either. Enjoy the build!
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 11:28:06 AM UTC-5 matthew...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I still dream of owning an Appaloosa one day, till then I've decided to 
>> give Low Trail Touring a go! (seriously, that sale Velo Orange was running 
>> just couldn't be beat.) This will be a winter project for me which I'm 
>> hoping to have completed during Spring. I've had a set of Velocity 
>> Cliffhangers with their MTB Race hubs waiting- which happen to be 
>> compatible with the Polyvalent. I intend to go 10 speed with a triple and 
>> friction thumbies so I can cross chain like a madman. 
>>
>> I think she's going to posture up nicely next to all those beautiful Rivs 
>> out there!
>>
>> [image: PXL_20231128_224403151.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Brakes Pads & Rims

[Steve]

Pads, brakes, brake levers, rim braking surface, and even the frame and 
fork that the brakes are mounted on -- they are an integrated system, they 
all work together to slow and/or stop the spinning wheels. Change any one 
part and, for better or worse,  you've altered the system. 

On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 10:24:36 AM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> We were kind of hijacking Bill's new canti-Roa bike post with discussion 
> about brakes, pad material, and rims so I decided to start a new one to 
> continue.  Bill has stated that in his experience over the years as a 
> mechanic he was required to address all kinds of issues from cyclists 
> concerning brakes, but nothing about rims.  He also said that the rim 
> material was just as important if no more so than brakes or pad material.  
> I'm inclined to take his word for it, given his work experience, but I'd 
> like to toss a personal episode into the ring:
>
> A number of years ago I bought a set of Tektro SP brakes for an existing 
> road bike.  This bike has wheels with Mavic Open Pro rims.  Given the fact 
> that those rims, though they are machined, do not have the most optimal 
> braking surface.  However, I really had to pull hard on the levers to get 
> those Tektro brakes to stop the bike.  So I decided to swap the pads for 
> those dubiously touted "salmon" colored pads and braking improved 
> dramatically.  The point being that there may be something to the pad 
> material after all.
>
> Thoughts? Experiences?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS. Brooks B67 & 68

[Steve]

*Bump* -- B67 remains for sale (The 68 has been sold). Offers accepted.

On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 11:16:01 AM UTC-5 Steve wrote:

> B68 has been spoken for.
>
> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 6:07:13 PM UTC-5 jaredwilson wrote:
>
>> PM sent
>>
>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 3:06:43 PM UTC-8 jaredwilson wrote:
>>
>>> Will take the b68
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 3:06:15 PM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I let the pics cover up most of the text. Dumb!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> B67: Very good condition. Used for no more than 500 miles. Leather has 
>>>> not required re-tensioning. Nice thick hide. Asking $70.  
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> B68: This one has been ridden a bit more and has been re-tensioned ~ 1 
>>>> rotation of the tension bolt. Leather is in good shape, though not quite 
>>>> as 
>>>> robust as the 67. Asking $40.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Will do both for $95. Buyer covers shipping cost from North Carolina 
>>>> (if interested PM with your zip code and I'll have the packaging store 
>>>> give 
>>>> me a quote).  I'm in Asheville, NC; happy to arrange for pick up.  Will 
>>>> accept PayPal (friends & family). Thanks for looking. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 6:01:31 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [image: FullSizeR.jpeg][image: IMG_1764.jpeg]B67: Very good 
>>>>> condition. Used for no more than 500 miles. Leather has not required 
>>>>> re-tensioning. Nice thick hide. Asking $70.  
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> B68: This one has been ridden a bit more and has been re-tensioned ~ 1 
>>>>> rotation of the tension bolt. Leather is in good shape, though not quite 
>>>>> as 
>>>>> robust as the 67. Asking $40.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Will do both for $95. Buyer covers shipping cost from North Carolina 
>>>>> (if interested PM with your zip code and I'll have the packaging store 
>>>>> give 
>>>>> me a quote).  I'm in Asheville, NC; happy to arrange for pick up.  Will 
>>>>> accept PayPal (friends & family). Thanks for looking. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> [image: IMG_1771 copy.jpeg]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_1770.jpeg]
>>>>> [image: IMG_1767.jpeg]
>>>>> [image: IMG_1766.jpeg]
>>>>> [image: IMG_1765.jpeg]
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: NEW BIKE DAY ! - My blue 52cm Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle

[Steve]

Kim, congrats on the Clem. The best bikes are always the ones that fit.  

That fender ornament is too fun !!! There must be a story behind it. 
Reminds me of a classic Packard. 

[image: Antique Packard Automobile Hood Ornament Jigsaw Puzzle by Vintage 
Images]


On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 11:03:19 PM UTC-5 Kim H. wrote:

> [image: IMG_1393.JPG]
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:11:18 PM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> @Jason,
>> Thank-you. 
>> Gotta be prepared with all the water I can carry, if I loose track of how 
>> far I have gone down the trail.
>>
>> Kim.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:06:07 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>> Looks great, I love the fancy tape wrap located in several spots on the 
>> bike.  Never going to have to go thirsty while on this bike, also! 
>>
>> On Sunday, 3 December 2023 at 16:54:20 UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I was very fortunate to buy this bike as a "demo" form RBW headquarters 
>> in Walnut Creek, California less than a month ago to end my hunt to own one 
>> in my favorite color. 
>>
>> I already had a 59cm lime olive Clem "L" that I declared was too big for 
>> me  The time and effort to swapped out parts from one bike to another and 
>> selling the 59cm Clem took awhile.  
>>
>> I can happily report that this 52cm Clem rides, handles and fit me far 
>> better than the 59cm Clem. It is a wonderful feeling. 
>>
>> Thank-you Will Keating.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>> [image: IMG_1386bbb.JPG]
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS. Brooks B67 & 68

[Steve]

B68 has been spoken for.

On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 6:07:13 PM UTC-5 jaredwilson wrote:

> PM sent
>
> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 3:06:43 PM UTC-8 jaredwilson wrote:
>
>> Will take the b68
>>
>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 3:06:15 PM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I let the pics cover up most of the text. Dumb!
>>>
>>>
>>> B67: Very good condition. Used for no more than 500 miles. Leather has 
>>> not required re-tensioning. Nice thick hide. Asking $70.  
>>>
>>>
>>> B68: This one has been ridden a bit more and has been re-tensioned ~ 1 
>>> rotation of the tension bolt. Leather is in good shape, though not quite as 
>>> robust as the 67. Asking $40.
>>>
>>>
>>> Will do both for $95. Buyer covers shipping cost from North Carolina (if 
>>> interested PM with your zip code and I'll have the packaging store give me 
>>> a quote).  I'm in Asheville, NC; happy to arrange for pick up.  Will accept 
>>> PayPal (friends & family). Thanks for looking. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 6:01:31 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: FullSizeR.jpeg][image: IMG_1764.jpeg]B67: Very good condition. 
>>>> Used for no more than 500 miles. Leather has not required re-tensioning. 
>>>> Nice thick hide. Asking $70.  
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> B68: This one has been ridden a bit more and has been re-tensioned ~ 1 
>>>> rotation of the tension bolt. Leather is in good shape, though not quite 
>>>> as 
>>>> robust as the 67. Asking $40.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Will do both for $95. Buyer covers shipping cost from North Carolina 
>>>> (if interested PM with your zip code and I'll have the packaging store 
>>>> give 
>>>> me a quote).  I'm in Asheville, NC; happy to arrange for pick up.  Will 
>>>> accept PayPal (friends & family). Thanks for looking. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>> [image: IMG_1771 copy.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_1770.jpeg]
>>>> [image: IMG_1767.jpeg]
>>>> [image: IMG_1766.jpeg]
>>>> [image: IMG_1765.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS. Brooks B67 & 68

[Steve]

I let the pics cover up most of the text. Dumb!


B67: Very good condition. Used for no more than 500 miles. Leather has not 
required re-tensioning. Nice thick hide. Asking $70.  


B68: This one has been ridden a bit more and has been re-tensioned ~ 1 
rotation of the tension bolt. Leather is in good shape, though not quite as 
robust as the 67. Asking $40.


Will do both for $95. Buyer covers shipping cost from North Carolina (if 
interested PM with your zip code and I'll have the packaging store give me 
a quote).  I'm in Asheville, NC; happy to arrange for pick up.  Will accept 
PayPal (friends & family). Thanks for looking. 


Steve


On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 6:01:31 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:

> [image: FullSizeR.jpeg][image: IMG_1764.jpeg]B67: Very good condition. 
> Used for no more than 500 miles. Leather has not required re-tensioning. 
> Nice thick hide. Asking $70.  
>
>
> B68: This one has been ridden a bit more and has been re-tensioned ~ 1 
> rotation of the tension bolt. Leather is in good shape, though not quite as 
> robust as the 67. Asking $40.
>
>
> Will do both for $95. Buyer covers shipping cost from North Carolina (if 
> interested PM with your zip code and I'll have the packaging store give me 
> a quote).  I'm in Asheville, NC; happy to arrange for pick up.  Will accept 
> PayPal (friends & family). Thanks for looking. 
>
>
> Steve
> [image: IMG_1771 copy.jpeg]
>
>
> [image: IMG_1770.jpeg]
> [image: IMG_1767.jpeg]
> [image: IMG_1766.jpeg]
> [image: IMG_1765.jpeg]
>

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[RBW] FS Brooks B67 & B68

[Steve]

B67: Very good condition. Used for no more than 500 miles. Leather has not 
required re-tensioning. Nice thick hide. Asking $70.  


B68: This one has been ridden a bit more and has been re-tensioned ~ 1 
rotation of the tension bolt. Leather is in good shape, though not quite as 
robust as the 67. Asking $40.


Will do both for $95. Buyer covers shipping cost from North Carolina (if 
interested PM with your zip code and I'll have the packaging store give me 
a quote).  I'm in Asheville, NC; happy to arrange for pick up.  Will accept 
PayPal (friends & family). Thanks for looking. 


Steve

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: 55cm Platypus frame or bike

[Steve]

If Rivendell riders are a bit of a global tribe, then Platypus riders are 
one its most distinguished clans (I'm sure).  

Ben, welcome to the Platypus Clan 

Steve 
Asheville, NC 

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 2:11:40 PM UTC-5 Brian Turner wrote:

> Congrats, Ben! I can’t wait to take a test ride!
>
> You’ve officially helped make Lexington a sleeper Riv owner hotspot.
>
> Brian
> Lexington KY
>
> On Nov 25, 2023, at 1:42 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> Congrats!!
>
>
>
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 12:36:32 PM UTC-5 bcom...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I guess they added some back! all the 55s were definitely sold out last 
>> weekish. 
>>
>> In between sending this email and having it approved to be posted i found 
>> a 55 lime olive for sale used and bought it, so im no longer searching, but 
>> good lookin out, thanks!
>>
>> ben
>> lexington ky 
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 1:47 PM Johnny Alien  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Riv still has some 55 frames left in purple.
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 1:15:16 PM UTC-5 bcom...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> hey yall!
>>>>
>>>> Sadly I missed out on the Platy presale last month, and I’m searching 
>>>> for a 55cm Platypus frame. Complete bikes are also interesting. So for 
>>>> example if anyone got in on the presale, and has since changed their 
>>>> minds, 
>>>> let me know! 
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>> Ben
>>>> in ky
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Steve]

An Albastache with drop bar levers?   
I'm sure some Homer riders will chime in with their thoughts, but I've 
found that mustache style bars can strike a happy compromise between swept 
back designs and drop bars. The trick I think is to get the height and 
reach dialed in so they provide both a comfortable, somewhat upright-ish 
cruising position when on the ends, and a lower stretched out aero-ish 
position when out on the bends & brake lever hoods. I've found they work 
best for me with a much shorter stem than I would have expected.  

I'd think a 24t chain ring, if coupled with an 11-34 or 11-32 rear cassette 
would give you a sufficiently low "granny gear" for big climbs, but I 
wonder if you'd wind up spinning out the 38 x 11 high gear. I run a VO 
triple on my Platypus with a 44-34-24 crank and an 8 speed 11-34 on the 
back. I'm definitely a 'party pace' sort of rider, but often find myself 
shifting onto the 44t chain ring. 

Not to distract you from your plan...but would a Roadini be a better choice 
for club rides?  Whatever you settle on, have fun with your N+1 bike 
build!!!


On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 9:27:06 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I think I learned what N + 1 syndrome is I have two very lovely bikes, 
> and Atlantis and a Platypus. Between the two I have been able to do most of 
> the kind of riding I can dream of. Chase around my kid on the Atlantis 
> which is built up as an all rounder (Because I had only road bikes and I 
> have a kid who can't stay away from dirt and gravel). I have been taking my 
> Platypus out on club rides which has been working out fine... until I 
> started to have aspirations to try out some of these rides that involve a 
> lot of hills... so of course I decided to buy A Homer that I would like to 
> build up specifically for rides with lots of hills! (To clarify, I am 
> totally happy to take my time getting up hills on my Platypus which I have 
> set up with racks and bags, fenders... but I like to ride with other people 
> which are usually people with traditional road bikes with all the carbon 
> fiber things). 
>
> So I would love some guidance on setting up the gearing, and handlebar 
> types, and random suggestions on how to do a lighter build. I know weight 
> isn't the most important thing... but I can for sure tell a difference when 
> I run up and down the stairs at the BART station with my Platypus when I 
> have it laden with all the things vs when I first got it... and I love it 
> now with all the things... so of course another bike, n + 1 is the answer. 
>
> I've been considering the Wide Low double (38 x 24).
>
> I use the Billie Bars, and Albatross bars on my other bikes... am I 
> missing out on anything by not considering other options? (I have a 
> shoulder that sometimes misbehaves so drop bars have not been my friend). 
>
> I am open to bikesplaining.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Steve]

Jason, nice build - and a nice pic too. I'm starting to lust after those 
Moto-Lites.

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 10:19:37 PM UTC-5 J wrote:

> SallyG and Eric
> I remember my first week in the bay area after when I didn't yet have the 
> confidence to ride far from the house, I ran into two turkeys having a 
> dance off. I should've been entranced by their hypnotic circling of each 
> other but all I could think was TURKEYS IN CALIFORNIA?!? I'd lived my whole 
> live in WV and had no idea those big birds would be there. 
>
> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:39:50 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> A windy morning re-blanketed this section of sidewalk for probably the 
>> last time this year, since there's not a lot left in the trees.  Plus I 
>> rebuilt the Hillborne with Albatross (again) and a few new tweaks. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20231119_194156692.jpg]
>>
>> On Sunday, 19 November 2023 at 18:35:52 UTC-8 SallyG wrote:
>>
>>> Eric,
>>>
>>> Bustling Morro Bay on the central coast of CA!
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 2:05 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
 SallyG: Where is this scene? Palmated trees and wild turkeys. Looks 
 like the guy in back has a pretty long beard! 

 On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 3:04:53 PM UTC-5 SallyG wrote:

> [image: Turkeys .jpg]
> Thanksgiving Holiday Traffic!
>
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 10:52 AM Ted Durant  wrote:
>
>> Sunday morning traffic jam in SE Wisconsin
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
>> [image: Frame-19-11-2023-12-46-47.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Steve]

Bill Lindsay, I was just catching up with this thread (always interested in 
anything Platypus related!) and I have to interject; That is one pur-tee 
Legolas. Looks like a shade of periwinkle on my MacBook.  

More on topic - before purchasing a Platy I was thinking about a purple 
Charlie Gallop - picturing it dressed out with black Honjo fenders and 
black components. I was leaning for a bad boy vibe.When the final 
Charlie protos dropped the swoopy top tube I snatched up a 2022 mermaid 
Platy frame still in the box. Nothing bad boy there - but it is a sweet 
ride and it has the sleek filet brazed middle stays.  And, BTW, Sheldon 
Brown was wrong - a mixtie is NOT just a "ladies bike".

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_m.html#mixte 

Steve

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 2:50:53 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> All those colorful parts from your Clem on an Ana Purple frame?? Dooo iiit 
> 李❤️
>
> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 11:04:10 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Ryan, I KNOW. I’m starting to think the same thing. I can sell my Clem, 
>> which is just not as loved as my Platypuses, and nearly all the parts 
>> should transfer. And if I did, I would deck it out in hyper color. It’s 
>> PURPLE. You can have fun with it, right? 
>>
>> “Which accent colors?”
>> ALL of them.
>> Leah
>>
>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 8:42:13 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I remember that article. Gotta admit the Ana purple
>>> Is growing on me. Maybe Leah should snatch that 50
>>> Platypus 
>>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 4:21:41 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm OK with purple, I had a '93 XO-2 in a dark metallic purple. Grant 
>>>> had a bit in the '91 catalog about colors (a Note About Color) 
>>>> <https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1991/pages/bridgestone-1991-17.htm>
>>>>  from 
>>>> a time when anything NOT a dayglo color was a negative point against a 
>>>> bike 
>>>> model. 
>>>>
>>>> Andy Cheatham
>>>> Pittsburgh
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:34:41 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am 
>>>>> on the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or 
>>>>> not. I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the 
>>>>> purple is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great 
>>>>> in 
>>>>> person. Thoughts? 
>>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Steve]

John Rinker,  nice photos!I want to ride that trail !!! (or one like 
it).   Southern Arizona?

Steve (in the leafy North Carolina Appalachians)
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 7:10:17 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Love it, John! 
>
> Here's one from today. Not pictured: noxious smoky air from either 
> wildfires in Madison, VA or a tractor trailer fire on 1-95. 
>
> [image: IMG_8386.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:53:07 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Not too many colorful or falling leaves here: 
>> [image: IMG_2436.jpeg]
>> But about every 200 years, one of these guys falls over. 
>> [image: IMG_2435.jpeg]
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:28:59 PM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Hello JasonR,
>>>
>>> Apologies if I confused your Sam with an Atlantis. Not a bad thing I 
>>> guess:-) Must have looked at your post on my phone. Anyway, from one Sam 
>>> owner to another yours does look really sharp! Enjoy the fall riding.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 3:29 PM Jason R.  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Eric - Nice of you to say. In addition to the little shiny sardine, 
>>>> I've probably taken in some influence of yours somewhere along the way 
>>>> given all your thoughtful contributions and videos. Cheers.
>>>>
>>>> And Rich - I'm unsure if there's another Atlantis'd Jason in the thread 
>>>> here that I missed (apologies if that's the case) or if my light-blue Sam 
>>>> came off looking sub-green from the surrounding leaves. But thanks so much 
>>>> if your comment was meant for my Riv!
>>>>
>>>> Beautiful photos and bicycles all around on this thread.
>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 4:08:08 PM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jason R: Nice shots & Hillborne!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 5:03:59 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Stephen: Two things, 1) Hi Dan! 2) Nice Stan Rays  3) Oops that's 
>>>>>> three, nice pics! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:44:33 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joined a fun ride up the OCA trail north of NYC this past weekend. 
>>>>>>> Super nice late fall day, thanks for the intel Justin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: IMG_6202.jpg]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: IMG_6206.jpg]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: 2023_113727.JPG]
>>>>>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 3:39:28 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jason, you have good looking Atlantis!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> Rich in ATL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 2:16 PM, Jason R.  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A few photos from a weekend ride on the Salt Creek Trail west of 
>>>>>>>>> Chicago. Peak leaf season has passed here, but a good number of 
>>>>>>>>> sparsely 
>>>>>>>>> populated trees with leaves of varying colors keep it going.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [image: R0004237.jpg]
>>>>>>>>> [image: R0004242.jpg]
>>>>>>>>> [image: R0004247.jpg]
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 9:49:22 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Patrick,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the introduction and background regarding the Gilbert 
>>>>>>>>>> House. I had not heard of it but you always have a good story to 
>>>>>>>>>> tell and 
>>>>>>>>>> this is certainly one.
>>>>>>>>>> Here is a link to the Gilbert House:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.atlantaga.gov/government/departments/city-planning/office-of-design/urban-design-commission/jeremiah-s-gilbert-house
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regarding the cycling environment here: I'm seeing more c

[RBW] Re: YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Steve]

https://redshiftsports.com/products/cruise-control-drop-bar-grips

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:31:19 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:

> Modemmisuser,   have you looked at the Redshift Cruise Control system for 
> drop bars? I've used the upper pads with a VO Porteur bar, so a slightly 
> different application than a drop bar, but I thought they were well made. 
> They're worth considering - link below.
>
> You might also consider reducing your reach to the bars by going to a 
> shorter stem, which would reduce the pressure on your hands. 
>
> Of course, the most budget friendly approach would be to fall in love with 
> the Albastache. Personally, ever since the B'stone XO-1, I dig the look of 
> mustache style bars with road levers.  My motto is 'comfort first and the 
> rest will follow'.
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:12:54 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Soma “three speed 2” bars are the greatest mustache ever! And they use 
>> regular brake levers, so you can toss those road levers in the rubbish. And 
>> run regular thumb shifters, and flip them over if you want. They’re great. 
>> https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/moustache-ii-bar
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 2016 Sam, from the batch of completes that year.  I love the 
>>> bike, and now that I'm riding a lot more (my wife was gifted with being 
>>> able to ride again after not being able to for years; she has a '16 Sam 
>>> too), I swapped bars from the stock (Nitto Noodle) to an Albastache.  
>>>
>>> The Noodle was only giving me ONE hand position, on the hoods.  The 
>>> drops didn't feel usable to me and the flats are just too narrow for my 
>>> comfort.  The hoods position was putting a lot of pressure on the meaty 
>>> part of my hands behind the thumbs.
>>>
>>> The 'Stache fixes that and gives me a lot of hand positions - on the 
>>> "hoods" (but it's a big flat on the 'Stache of course), behind them, and 
>>> pretty much all along the rest of the bar.  I like it, but...
>>>
>>> I do miss the hand position that only comes from having a drop bar on 
>>> being on those hoods in that orientation; I just need one that will put 
>>> them in a spot that doesn't put all the weight on the meaty-hand-part 
>>> behind the thumbs.
>>>
>>> I have to admit I also miss how the bike looks with a drop bar. O_o  I 
>>> dunno, I guess the bike just "wants" that look, to me.
>>>
>>> I'd also like to not run the shifters as barend shifters... So I'd go 
>>> thumbie or some type of (S DON'T TELL GRANT) brifter. 
>>>
>>> The other issue I don't have access to the funds that some others around 
>>> here seem to. :)  These bikes were EXPENSIVE to us ($2,600 a pop and we've 
>>> added front and rear racks, fenders, etc.)
>>>
>>> Ideas, comments, questions, help, etc, etc?  I'm sure lots around here 
>>> have Sams and have done this handlebar/cockpit rodeo lots of times!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Steve]

Modemmisuser,   have you looked at the Redshift Cruise Control system for 
drop bars? I've used the upper pads with a VO Porteur bar, so a slightly 
different application than a drop bar, but I thought they were well made. 
They're worth considering - link below.

You might also consider reducing your reach to the bars by going to a 
shorter stem, which would reduce the pressure on your hands. 

Of course, the most budget friendly approach would be to fall in love with 
the Albastache. Personally, ever since the B'stone XO-1, I dig the look of 
mustache style bars with road levers.  My motto is 'comfort first and the 
rest will follow'.
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:12:54 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

>
> Soma “three speed 2” bars are the greatest mustache ever! And they use 
> regular brake levers, so you can toss those road levers in the rubbish. And 
> run regular thumb shifters, and flip them over if you want. They’re great. 
> https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/moustache-ii-bar
> -Kai
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a 2016 Sam, from the batch of completes that year.  I love the 
>> bike, and now that I'm riding a lot more (my wife was gifted with being 
>> able to ride again after not being able to for years; she has a '16 Sam 
>> too), I swapped bars from the stock (Nitto Noodle) to an Albastache.  
>>
>> The Noodle was only giving me ONE hand position, on the hoods.  The drops 
>> didn't feel usable to me and the flats are just too narrow for my comfort.  
>> The hoods position was putting a lot of pressure on the meaty part of my 
>> hands behind the thumbs.
>>
>> The 'Stache fixes that and gives me a lot of hand positions - on the 
>> "hoods" (but it's a big flat on the 'Stache of course), behind them, and 
>> pretty much all along the rest of the bar.  I like it, but...
>>
>> I do miss the hand position that only comes from having a drop bar on 
>> being on those hoods in that orientation; I just need one that will put 
>> them in a spot that doesn't put all the weight on the meaty-hand-part 
>> behind the thumbs.
>>
>> I have to admit I also miss how the bike looks with a drop bar. O_o  I 
>> dunno, I guess the bike just "wants" that look, to me.
>>
>> I'd also like to not run the shifters as barend shifters... So I'd go 
>> thumbie or some type of (S DON'T TELL GRANT) brifter. 
>>
>> The other issue I don't have access to the funds that some others around 
>> here seem to. :)  These bikes were EXPENSIVE to us ($2,600 a pop and we've 
>> added front and rear racks, fenders, etc.)
>>
>> Ideas, comments, questions, help, etc, etc?  I'm sure lots around here 
>> have Sams and have done this handlebar/cockpit rodeo lots of times!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Platypus for Clem L?

[Steve]

What did Roberta get ???   Inquiring minds want to know !!!

On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 11:16:34 PM UTC-5 Kim H. wrote:

> The suspense grows. I can hear it now.
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 7:35:03 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I’m waiting for some of the parts to come in. I’ll post a new bike day 
>> when done, with story. In the meantime, try a Platy!  I think she’ll love 
>> it. 
>>
>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 7:16:13 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> And I am now dying to know what Roberta got.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 7:15:52 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 Fit is a factor too. Rivendell has limited sizes that they stretch to 
 work for everyone. I happen to sit oddly in the spectrum and can either be 
 at the top of the range or at the bottom of a larger one. I had a 
 S.Hillborne and it didn't even kind of sit in the zippy camp for me. No 
 matter what bars I threw on it or tires or wheels it just wasn't exciting. 
 My Clem is infinitely better in ride quality. I am very convinced it had 
 to 
 do with the sizing on the SH not working for me. I sized down when I got 
 my 
 Proto Gallop and that rides fantastic as well. Honestly its so subjective 
 and I respect everyones experience but in the end its personal. If it were 
 me I would 100% upgrade the Clem first. If it doesn't work you will have 
 nice parts to move over to a Platy frame. That way you can try things with 
 less of an investment and it will still be usable if she decides it 
 doesn't 
 work.

 On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 6:53:55 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Favorite mixte riding bikes are Platy, Betty Foy, She-Devil, and then 
> down the list, Clem, Cheviot 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bedrock Mountain Clogs in Stock!

[Steve]

Brent, I grabbed a a leather pair of the clogs when they were first 
released and I have to agree with you - my feet also found then lacking 
adequate arch support.   As for cycling in them, the soles are also a bit 
soft and flexy for my taste. 

So there you go -  I like them for casual wear, but not for covering longer 
distances, whether  walking or riding.
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:52:24 PM UTC-4 Brent Knepper wrote:

> just trying mine on today and I too went up from a usual 10 to a 11. at 
> first I was worried I there still wasn't enough room with my cute winter 
> wool socks on, until I realized a separate layer of cardboard forms were 
> still hiding inside, but all good once I realized my mistake :)
>
> I'm a big socks n chacs fan in the shoulder szns, and I will say the 
> bedrock soles are hella flat in comparison to chacos's arch cradling 
> technology. anyone else notice a similar arch-love disparity?
>
> -brent, with dry toes for once, in snowing-on-hallowe'en-chicago 
>
> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 4:47:51 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> I also sized up and feel happy with that decision. For reference I wear a 
>> size 11 in the Bedrock Cairn sandal and selected the 12 in the Mountain 
>> Clog. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 12:53:58 PM UTC-4 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>
>>> I concur! I got mine over the weekend and went with a size 13, though I 
>>> usually wear size 11-12 in most shoes. I compared the length with the Size 
>>> 11 Crocs that these are replacing and the size 13 Mountain Clogs were the 
>>> same length.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:22:04 AM UTC-5 Joe A. wrote:
>>>
 I received mine and they are great. I can confirm that they run a 
 little smaller than I expected for those that are still considering 
 sizing. 

 On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 8:14:32 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I was so excited for the restock! I didn’t see the email before I took 
> my daughter to school. In those 30 or so minutes, my size was sold out in 
> the full leather. Hopefully I don’t have to wait another year for a 30 
> minute window. 
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 4:05:09 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>
>> I had reached out to supporr, here is what they said:  Most folks 
>> are wearing the *same size in the Clogs and the Cairns, however I 
>> would say if you have a more snug fit in your sandals (not much wiggle 
>> room), you may need to size up in the clogs. Hope this helps!*
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 9:45:32 PM UTC-4 Teague Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Wow these are cool. Thanks for getting them on my radar. Wondering 
>>> whether sizing runs true to their sandals...
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:29:47 PM UTC-6 Calvin Yolo wrote:
>>>
 I had the leather ones and just purchased the green suede as a back 
 up pair. I have a ton of miles walked in my first pair and I'll 
 probably 
 have these in rotation for as long as they make them.

 On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 9:25:26 AM UTC-7 Joe A. wrote:

> Hey Riv Fam,
>
> For any of those curious about these clogs they're finally back in 
> stock. I snagged a pair of them in Nubuck Leather. Should be great 
> for fall 
> riding :)
>
> https://bedrocksandals.com/collections/bedrock-mountain-clogs
>
> Happy riding!
>
> - J
>


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[RBW] Re: Good story about old school LBS

[Steve]

Good read!  Thanks Max for sharing the link - I just may have to add the 
site to my list of cycling related bookmarks. 

On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 7:27:45 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> I read this and it’s the kind of thing I love about bikes and good people 
> around bikes, good read for a rainy Sunday morning, hope it’s ok to post 
> since it’s barely Riv adjacent: 
> https://escapecollective.com/an-ode-to-the-old-school-bike-shop/
>
> Hope you enjoy it
>
> Max
>

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[RBW] Re: PDW Safety Tabs

[Steve]

Tempt not the fates for their hand is powerful!  

On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 12:55:33 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I bought up a bunch of the PDW release guys, in black and silver, so 
> there's never even a delay when I'm doing a fender install.  Without them 
> on-hand, I'd probably say "oh, I'll get to that later" and karma would get 
> me right in that moment.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 6:28:06 PM UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> As a semi-fanatical fender freak (aluminum please!) who advocates their 
>> use for nearly any and all bikes, I feel obliged to share that after 
>> rolling over several thousand miles of gravel forest service roads my tire 
>> kicked an unidentified object up into the front fender while at speed. It 
>> was probably a short but stout stick. 
>>
>> When I installed a set of PDW Safety Tabs on my Ritchey a few months ago 
>> I figured they worked as a sacrificial break away item in the event that an 
>> object wedges between the tire and the fender.  What I discovered is that 
>> they employ a barbed plastic head that pops free of the metal tab they are 
>> inserted into. Indeed, I heard a loud POP when this occurred - followed by 
>> the sound of the fender rubbing as it dangled from the opposite, still 
>> intact stay. After straightening the slightly bent stay I was able to pop 
>> the tab back together and continue my ride. 
>>
>> Would I have been launched over the bars by a seized front wheel had I 
>> not installed the safety tabs? I don't know...and it's not a thing I care 
>> to experiment with. 
>>
>> Of course, SKS fenders come standard with safety mounting tabs - but for 
>> anyone running metal fenders that lack a safety tab, I can attest they are 
>> well worth the few dollars they cost.  
>>
>> I'm curious if anyone else has had this sort of experience.[image: 
>> IMG_1591.jpeg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: PDW Safety Tabs

[Steve]

Mark, OUCH!!!  Your story puts an exclamation point on the issue.The 
offending knobby in my case is a very low profile Conti Speed Max, still...

I have ample clearance for at least a 44mm slick. My next move will 
probably be the RH Snoqualmie Pass tires. I would ditch the fenders and 
stuff some 2.0" tires on the bike but they do such a great job of keeping 
the drivetrain clean and the paint on the frame.  

On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 2:09:20 AM UTC-4 Mark Schneider wrote:

> Thanks for the heads-up, I helped a guy on a Surly that took a very bad 
> fall do to a stick in his front fender. He ended up in an air ambulance as 
> I recall. Of course, he was running knobies with his fenders, which is 
> always a bad Idea.
>
> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 6:28:06 PM UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> As a semi-fanatical fender freak (aluminum please!) who advocates their 
>> use for nearly any and all bikes, I feel obliged to share that after 
>> rolling over several thousand miles of gravel forest service roads my tire 
>> kicked an unidentified object up into the front fender while at speed. It 
>> was probably a short but stout stick. 
>>
>> When I installed a set of PDW Safety Tabs on my Ritchey a few months ago 
>> I figured they worked as a sacrificial break away item in the event that an 
>> object wedges between the tire and the fender.  What I discovered is that 
>> they employ a barbed plastic head that pops free of the metal tab they are 
>> inserted into. Indeed, I heard a loud POP when this occurred - followed by 
>> the sound of the fender rubbing as it dangled from the opposite, still 
>> intact stay. After straightening the slightly bent stay I was able to pop 
>> the tab back together and continue my ride. 
>>
>> Would I have been launched over the bars by a seized front wheel had I 
>> not installed the safety tabs? I don't know...and it's not a thing I care 
>> to experiment with. 
>>
>> Of course, SKS fenders come standard with safety mounting tabs - but for 
>> anyone running metal fenders that lack a safety tab, I can attest they are 
>> well worth the few dollars they cost.  
>>
>> I'm curious if anyone else has had this sort of experience.[image: 
>> IMG_1591.jpeg]
>>
>

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[RBW] PDW Safety Tabs

[Steve]

As a semi-fanatical fender freak (aluminum please!) who advocates their use 
for nearly any and all bikes, I feel obliged to share that after rolling 
over several thousand miles of gravel forest service roads my tire kicked 
an unidentified object up into the front fender while at speed. It was 
probably a short but stout stick. 

When I installed a set of PDW Safety Tabs on my Ritchey a few months ago I 
figured they worked as a sacrificial break away item in the event that an 
object wedges between the tire and the fender.  What I discovered is that 
they employ a barbed plastic head that pops free of the metal tab they are 
inserted into. Indeed, I heard a loud POP when this occurred - followed by 
the sound of the fender rubbing as it dangled from the opposite, still 
intact stay. After straightening the slightly bent stay I was able to pop 
the tab back together and continue my ride. 

Would I have been launched over the bars by a seized front wheel had I not 
installed the safety tabs? I don't know...and it's not a thing I care to 
experiment with. 

Of course, SKS fenders come standard with safety mounting tabs - but for 
anyone running metal fenders that lack a safety tab, I can attest they are 
well worth the few dollars they cost.  

I'm curious if anyone else has had this sort of experience.[image: 
IMG_1591.jpeg]

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[RBW] Re: Sweepback bars, Clems, frame design, and efficient pedaling [upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?]

[Steve]

Apologies to Eddie (as the OP)  for veering off on a tangent here, but I 
find Patrick & Garth's discussion of STA interesting -- and I think it 
makes an important point regarding what sort of bike works well with swept 
back bars and a more upright riding position. Now that it's been pointed 
out, I realize that a slack STA is an attribute of pretty much every 
classic bike intended for a heads up riding that I've seen. I'm thinking of 
the Dutch and Danish city bikes I've ridden in the past - their seating 
position is nearly bolt upright with a super slack STA, and they give a 
graceful and surprisingly brisk ride.  

So...back to Eddie's original post; if you're seeking a bike that will 
handle well with sweptback, upright bars then it makes good sense to look 
for one with geometry that is optimized for that kind of riding position. 
It's not just the length of the stem that determines how a bike handles 
with any given handlebar or riding position, it's the sum of all the parts. 

Steve
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 2:49:24 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Patrick, from my experience with the Bombadil, which has a rather long TT 
> for it's given size, (the 60cm size has a 63cm TT), and riding it with an 
> Albatross bar and 130mm stem, about 2 inches above the saddle.. yes I 
> could lean forward going up steep hills, but the high bars limit just how 
> low you can go. Compared to my now drop bar Franklin, which formerly had 
> high mounted Albatross bars like the Bomba, the difference is substantial 
> as I have absolutely free hip rotation now with the bars 2-1/2 to 3 inches 
> below the tip of the saddle. Tat's a big part in being able to lower 
> yourself comfortably, efficiently and powerfully, having low bars. I feel 
> like a kid in candy store riding my Franklin like this. I want no part in 
> ever riding with such high bars again. I'm in the process of changing the 
> Bomba to a drop bar as low as possible given the frame limits. Plus DT 
> shifters. There are however +/-25d and even 35d stems these days though. so 
> I should be able to get it at least 3 inches below the saddle. 
>
> While the TT on the Clem and Hilly bikes appears long on paper, the actual 
> practical reach(saddle tip to hands), once you move your saddle far enough 
> forward, plus the very shallow HTA which comes towards you dramatically as 
> you raise the bars, it really isn't all that long. I suspect the practical 
> reach would be no longer than my Bomba as I described above. 
>
> Do you remember the post about Rivsters wanting a more setback post ? They 
> were mostly looking for extra reach on their Clems or Platy frames. That it 
> was the wrong direction to go notwithstanding, I found it telling how 
> anyone on such a long bike would want more reach on such a long frame and 
> wayback bars.
>
> As for STA, my Franklin is 72.5, the Bomba 72. I used to think the 
> shallower was what I needed, but now I realize I had that reversed, I don't 
> want anything less than 72.5(my Franklin), and this is with 150mm cranks 
> pedalling near midfoot. My newly arrived VO Rando frame has a 73.5 STA, for 
> which I'll use the setback Nitto S84 post with the saddle mounted well 
> forward(rearward on the rails). The post is a leftover, so I may as well 
> use it for something. Even on the Franklin, with a Cobb San Remo saddle, a 
> "classic" saddle not unlike a Flite or Ritchey Skyline, I currently have it 
> mounted about halfway back on the rails(far forward) with a Ritchey Classic 
> seatpost. When I first got the saddle I had mounted on the S84, so now on 
> the Ritchey post it's about 40mm or more forward of where I started ! The 
> lower I've been going in bar drop, the more forward I have been moving the 
> saddle. The wonderful thing is I've never been more comfortable riding a 
> bike ! I have a -17d stem on order so I can go lower by 20mm. It feels 
> totally natural. In terms of "power" in relation to STA, I'd say I don't 
> have more than before, I'm just using it most efficiently/effectively now. 
> Able to push really hard and recover quickly, things like that. I've also 
> noticed how day to day I don't have the sore legs I formerly did with the 
> seat way back and sitting more up. I don't have sore anything on the bike 
> anymore. Having the hips able to rotate totally freely is something I don't 
> ever recall experiencing. The combo of low drop bars, a more forward saddle 
> position and 150mm cranks is awesome ! 
>
> Obviously I have no idea how you'd like a Clem or Hilly bike, it's just 
> something to experience for yourself ! 
>
> I hope I covered everything for you Patrick  :) ! 
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 1:19:04 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I have no dog scheduled for par

Re: [RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

[Steve]

Eddie, your initial post asking " how does shorter or longer stem effect 
steering?" has generated a a lot of interesting discussion about steering 
dynamics - but it seems that what you really want to get at is which size 
Roadini will work best for you with upright bars. 

You might start by taking a look at the geo for the 54 & 57 Roadinis and 
comparing  them both to the diagram of your current bike. (try the link to 
Bike Insights I've pasted below).   My suggestion is that the larger frame 
will better lend itself to a more upright riding position by virtue of its 
taller stack and shorter effective TT.   Both of the Roadinis have a longer 
wheelbase, slacker ST & HT angles, and more neutral trail than your current 
ride. I think you would discover that either of them  provide a more stable 
feeling front end than your current bike (which looks like it has maybe 
been pushed a bit beyond its design intent).  

Ultimately I agree with the suggestion that if you are looking for a bike 
that handles well with an upright position that you should consider a frame 
set intentionally designed for that style of riding.. 

https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5bb29e327581960016665a31,5bb29e327581960016665a32,

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 8:58:13 AM UTC-4 eddietheflay wrote:

> Doug, my guess is that headtube angle and trail on the Clem probably adds 
> to steadier steering. Riv does not seem to publish trail numbers but as I 
> understand it trail is key to steering characteristics.
>
> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:47:46 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I do wonder if the long wheelbase makes my Clem more stable in general. I 
>> hope you find the right setup for your bike.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 8:41 AM eddietheflay  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Doug, I have been riding Billie bars on three bikes for nearly two 
>>> years. I can do just fine but still notice I am less steady when my hands 
>>> are on the grips while descending at speed. Could be that I am so upright 
>>> that my center of gravity compared to drop bars is making things a less 
>>> steady.
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:38:47 AM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:
>>>
 I have never tried really high-mounted drop bars like these ones: 
 http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2010/05/drop-bar-diaries.html
 And for me that would be mostly about the aesthetics. Swept back bars 
 look cooler and less weird that high-mounted drop bars. I wonder if the 
 steering would "seem" significantly less twitchy and if for me it would 
 require a smaller frame with shorter top tube?
 Here are photos of my current twitchy setup: 
 https://photos.app.goo.gl/Nn7Pzb61yBhXaKCE6


 On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:26:34 AM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:

> I need my bars quite high cuz I'm old and my neck aches badly when my 
> head is hanging over drop bars. I have considered tall stem and drop 
> bars. 
> I guess that would mean shorter top-tubed bike in order to make the reach 
> to the hoods on drop bars comfortable.
>
> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:17:39 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> More specifically Eddie, I don't think using a bar like the Billie on 
>> a Roadini is a good idea to begin with if you find yourself wanting to 
>> move 
>> forward for a more stable steering experience. You be much better of 
>> with a 
>> shallow drop bar.  Personally, I don't think having high bars lives up 
>> to 
>> the purported benefits often espoused by Will or Grant and all that ride 
>> them. I found just the opposite myself. it's like wanting to get 
>> from 
>> Dallas to Atlanta via Seattle.  "your're going the wrong way !". 
>> Bikes 
>> simply handle wonderfully with your body weight forward and hands 
>> forward 
>> of the steering axis. I get that GP designs his "upright" bikes to 
>> maximize 
>> the "high, back and upright" position in terms of stability, but to me 
>> all 
>> the compensating in the world for being so far back of the steering axis 
>> will ever eliminate that "twitchy, tiller effect". That said lots of 
>> people 
>> ride them and love them and rightly so. I'm coming from a place where I 
>> simply don't relate to that in a positive way. It's a matter of taste, 
>> and 
>> we all have an affinity for what we have an affinity for. I can't stand 
>> the 
>> Star Anise flavor for example, that many people love. While I don't 
>> relate 
>> to the flavor itself, I certainly relate to the experiencing of that 
>> which 
>> one enjoys. 
>>
>> I think of how Rivendell frame design has so radically changed in the 
>> last 20 years. You could say the Clem design may have saved the company 
>> as 
>> it became so popular as the basic road bike design had seemed to become 
>> so 
>> passe', so to speak. In 

[RBW] Re: Return of the GOAT

[Steve]

Oh my darling Clementine.Gotta ask about that rear wheel. 
Pneumatic suspension. or ???

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:29:22 PM UTC-4 Alex Wirth wrote:

> My Dad was caretaking this beauty for the last couple years but has since 
> moved on to something with even lower step-through.  Clementine is back in 
> the stable!  The greatest commuter that ever was 
>
> [image: IMG-0506.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Stark NAKED Platypus!!!

[Steve]

[image: IMG_1520.jpeg]

It arrived earlier today from Austin, still wrapped up in the original RBW 
shipping box, purchased by the PO from last November's batch but never 
unpacked (thank you Leah for the tip).

I'm planning to build it up as a road-ish  cruiser, probably 38 to 44mm 
slicks, definitely with fenders. A Billie bar is on the way from Walnut 
Creek. I'll also be fitting it with a 3x8 drivetrain because I already own 
it, but am thinking about an eventual compact wide range double.

This is my first Rivendell build. For those of you experienced with the 
Platy, or any of its kin, how would you do the  build? I'd enjoy  hearing 
any thoughts, opinions, or words of  wisdom.

Steve 

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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Eastern Indiana Cardinal Greenway

[Steve]

George, I went to school at BSU in the '70s as well.   Wound up in Muncie 
for nearly the entire decade.  Had some good times riding the backroads in 
that area. Some of it was on an old canti-framed Schwinn I paid $20 for and 
built up as a "Little 500" racer; drop bars, coaster brake, and a rattle 
can orange paint job.

 I remember those long trains pulling coal cars - and getting caught at the 
crossings as they rumbled by. I had no idea though that they were part of 
the whole steel industry centered around Gary. Thanks for sharing a bit of 
the history of the Cardinal. It made me realize that rail trails all have a 
backstory rooted in a changing economy. Interesting!. 
On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:48:12 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> I grew up in Richmond and am well aware that the Cardinal Greenway Trail 
> is a rails-to-trails conversion of the old C Railroad that used to haul 
> long coal trains from the mines in SE Kentucky and West Virginia up to the 
> steel mills along the Southwestern Lake Michigan shore.  I attended college 
> at Ball State University in Muncie during the early 70's and often saw 
> those freights along U.S. 35 as I drove that way many times.  But things 
> have changed significantly over the past 4 to 5 decades.  C abandoned 
> that stretch of rail once the steel mill industry moved largely off-shore 
> and the high sulfur coal from those mines was replaced by coal from Western 
> mines that was closer to the surface and had lower sulfur content.  Hence, 
> the abandoned railway is now the Cardinal Greenway.  I haven't lived there 
> in over 50 years and have never ridden the new trail.  As I understand it, 
> though, there are certain sections where some land owners have claimed 
> rights from the railroad right-of-way and have caused trail users to detour 
> onto sections of county roads for brief stretches.  This is particularly 
> true once one gets North of Muncie. One of these days I may have to drive 
> down there and ride that trail just for the nostalgia.
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:01:17 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>
>> My first attempt at this. The site is a bit old tech. It kept telling me 
>> that my post was too long, so I broke it up. May have been the pic size. 
>> Sorry for the typo's. I think I got the point across at least. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0476.jpeg][image: IMG_0480.jpeg][image: IMG_0463.jpeg][image: 
>>> IMG_0465.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:23:16 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0466.jpeg][image: IMG_0464.jpeg]
 Both of these rides were accomplished on my Atlantis, a 2008 Toyo 61 CM 
 for those that want details. And yes, that’s a sign telling you not to 
 drive your horse and buggy on the trail.
 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:20:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0481.jpeg][image: IMG_0478.jpeg]
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:18:08 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> So, I went back and wrote the southern portion today. I drove out to 
>> Richmond, IN, about an hour or so from Indianapolis on the Ohio/Indiana 
>> line, and headed north a little past, Losantville, IN for a total of 
>> about 
>> 60 miles. It was a pleasant ride with at least 3/4 being in the shade of 
>> trees along the old Cardinal. I just thought I’d share.
>>
>> [image: IMG_0477.jpeg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Eastern Indiana Cardinal Greenway

[Steve]

Josh, I grew up around South Bend, Indiana but moved to North Carolina in 
my early thirties. My wife though still has family in the Marion area and 
I've had that opportunity while visiting there to ride a bit on the trail 
to its northern. terminus near Sweetser. We'll be back up there for her HS 
class reunion in a few weeks and are taking a couple bikes with us to ride 
a bit of the Cardinal. Best I can tell, the route between Jonesboro and 
Muncie runs on backroads. Curious to know if you've done that stretch and 
what your impression was.

Thanks for posting!  Great pics. BTW, I had a similar problem when posting 
pics on this site. Reducing their digital size seems to have resolved it

Steve
On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 7:01:17 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> My first attempt at this. The site is a bit old tech. It kept telling me 
> that my post was too long, so I broke it up. May have been the pic size. 
> Sorry for the typo's. I think I got the point across at least. 
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0476.jpeg][image: IMG_0480.jpeg][image: IMG_0463.jpeg][image: 
>> IMG_0465.jpeg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:23:16 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0466.jpeg][image: IMG_0464.jpeg]
>>> Both of these rides were accomplished on my Atlantis, a 2008 Toyo 61 CM 
>>> for those that want details. And yes, that’s a sign telling you not to 
>>> drive your horse and buggy on the trail.
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:20:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0481.jpeg][image: IMG_0478.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:18:08 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So, I went back and wrote the southern portion today. I drove out to 
>>>>> Richmond, IN, about an hour or so from Indianapolis on the Ohio/Indiana 
>>>>> line, and headed north a little past, Losantville, IN for a total of 
>>>>> about 
>>>>> 60 miles. It was a pleasant ride with at least 3/4 being in the shade of 
>>>>> trees along the old Cardinal. I just thought I’d share.
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_0477.jpeg]
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Platypus w/fenders Brake choice

[Steve]

 Thanks Dave!  Deore it is then!   
I'll be posting pics probably as soon as I get it on the road. I love an 
excuse to take glamour shots of my bikes in the wild (it gives me a reason 
to dismount and rest for a moment)

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 11:18:41 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> Steve - my Platy has V-brakes with 63mm fenders over 50mm tires and no 
> issues with clearance. I'm using Diacompe MX2 brakes (102mm arms) and given 
> that Shimano lists the Deore arms at 107mm and the clearance shown with the 
> Deore's on Grant's Clem with 2.6" tires 
> <https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/grants-59cm-clem-l-maxed-out> I'd 
> expect room to spare.
>
> Here's the MX2 with a very tall RH Fleecer Ridge 55mm tire before fenders 
> (I changed the front to 50mm Gravel King when I added fenders):
>
> [image: R001-3703_brakes.jpg]
>
> Looking forward to seeing your Platypus!
>
> -Dave
>
> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:40:20 AM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm planning a build for my newly acquired Platypus frame (50cm) and am 
>> looking for advice regarding the Shimano Deore V-brakes RBW carries. My 
>> plan is to run 38-42mm slicks beneath 52mm aluminum fenders (probably VO 
>> Zeppelins). 
>>
>> Judging from the pics of fendered Platys I've viewed (and the specs I've 
>> been able to find) the Deore brake linkage should provide clearance for 
>> 52s. 
>> I'm hoping someone with experience with a Platy will be able to confirm 
>> my thinking.
>>
>> I considered going with cantis but would prefer the simpler set-up of 
>> V-brakes. Does anyone advocate for cantis? 
>>
>> Thanks, Steve
>>
>

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[RBW] Platypus w/fenders Brake choice

[Steve]

I'm planning a build for my newly acquired Platypus frame (50cm) and am 
looking for advice regarding the Shimano Deore V-brakes RBW carries. My 
plan is to run 38-42mm slicks beneath 52mm aluminum fenders (probably VO 
Zeppelins). 

Judging from the pics of fendered Platys I've viewed (and the specs I've 
been able to find) the Deore brake linkage should provide clearance for 
52s. 
I'm hoping someone with experience with a Platy will be able to confirm my 
thinking.

I considered going with cantis but would prefer the simpler set-up of 
V-brakes. Does anyone advocate for cantis? 

Thanks, Steve

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[RBW] Re: 2023 Riv Geo Chart

[Steve]

Thanks for sharing this Max.  I enjoy geeking out on the numbers!

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:50:46 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> Here's a little nugget from Will's email, I know a few people were looking 
> for the geo charts of the new frames.
> Max
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Asheville Riv Rendesvous Recap

[Steve]

Rode my old race bike with 650b RH slicks & a VO porteur handlebar to New 
Belgium. The next day I rode my trusty Ritchey at Bent Creek. Somewhere 
along the way a rider on a well loved Riv offered me a sip of Kool Aid. I 
drank it down - it was good. Less than a week later I bought a Platypus. 
Hmmmgo figure.
YES - let's do it again! Awesome bikes. Lovely people. Tasty Kool Aid.
Steve from Asheville

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 8:23:24 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:

> Wow… it looks like such a brilliant gathering—fun people, beautiful 
> scenery, great vibes, and lovely bikes. Thanks for sharing. I hope to make 
> it to the next ride in NC, my home state. 
>
> Much appreciation to Leah for the video and ongoing inspiration for the 
> Unofficial Rivendell rides!
>
> Jim 
>
> On Jul 13, 2023, at 19:34, Brian Turner  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Patrick - that would be Laing’s orange Riv custom.
>
> On Jul 13, 2023, at 5:57 PM, EverRed  wrote:
>
> 
> This was a fantastic event.  Perfectly organized without being regimented, 
> very well chosen rides, great weather, and best of all, a really lovely 
> group of people.  I really enjoyed meeting all who I met and my only regret 
> is that I didn't get to spend time with everyone who was there.  I'm not a 
> bike event guy - the last one I went to was in the previous millennium - 
> but I am now eagerly awaiting an opportunity to attend another Riv 
> gathering.
>
> Thank you to all who attended for bringing such a fabulous spirit, and a 
> massive thanks to all who were involved in the planning and organizing.
>
> John
> Black Mountain NC
>
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:47:24 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Well-done poster, well-put-together video, many interesting bikes. Thanks 
>> for sharing.
>>
>> Whose is the orange custom at 0:52 and passim with untaped bar, 
>> no-extension (Discord?) stem, lovely high-flange front wheel, and 50 mm 
>> tires? 650B or 559? What tires?
>>
>> Can we get the usual statutory driveside profile photo?
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 7:31 AM 'Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just a quick recap from our fantastic Riv weekend in Asheville.
>>>
>>> It was a blast. Almost 25 riders from Indiana to FL, including 10 local 
>>> folks. Everyone was great and the bikes were, as you can imagine, almost 
>>> all rivs, but we did let in a bridgestone :).  A Hunq, 5 Appaloosas, a 
>>> couple of Atlanti, 3 or 4 gorgeous customs, the famous Betty Foy ridden 
>>> 72.000 miles by Pam (yes 72K!), a purple Rosco Platypus, a pumpkin 
>>> platypus, a couple of Sams, and two Salukis, a Gus, and probably some more 
>>> that I'm forgetting.
>>>
>>> Some highlights:
>>> The River Arts District greenway ride followed by beer and dinner at New 
>>> Belgium Brewing, where our bikes took up and spilled over the entire bike 
>>> rack system.
>>>
>>> Our Bent Creek Gravel rides - three groups had a splendid day with not 
>>> too hot temps, no rain, and perfect fire roads.
>>>
>>> Two friendly bears who realized they were in the poster and better make 
>>> an appearance.
>>>
>>> Our bike parts garage sale, where everyone realized that we were all 
>>> trying to get rid of lots of tires, stems, handlebars, bags, etc. that 
>>> everyone else there already had. We all have a bike parts hoarding problem.
>>>
>>> Beer and dinner at The Wedge brewery Saturday night.
>>>
>>> The fabulous poster from Brian.
>>>
>>> All of the fun people that came together with amazing bikes, great 
>>> personalities, and brought all of their fun to the weekend.
>>>
>>> Enthusiastic agreement that we should do it all again, maybe in during a 
>>> fall or spring timeframe.
>>>
>>> And thanks to a very gracious offer from Leah, she put our pics and 
>>> videos together into one of her great videos - THANK YOU, LEAH!  A link to 
>>> her video is below if you'd like to watch it.
>>>
>>> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0xG1CvrSGHQ6um
>>>
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