Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug Hansford]

Hi Ahmed,I hope things are good for you. I still am looking to buy a 54 Roadini. Is yours the current geometry?  Let’s work out a sale. 706-614-3592Doug Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 14, 2024, at 6:21 PM, Kim H.  wrote:@Doug -Maybe the lighting in the photos are not true to the color of Sergio green despite the wording being so ? ... or ? At any rate, I hope you find what you are looking for in less time than you anticipate. Maybe it will be a serendipity experience, like it was with and my blue Clem. Kim Hetzel.On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 11:57:40 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:Hi Kim,Yeah they do! The price is higher but if I really want green then that is my only option. Orange is available used for less money. Decisions, decisions... :-)DougOn Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 11:08:26 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:Blue Lug has a Rivendell 54 Roadini Framset in Sergio Green in stock !https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-roadini-frame-set-sergio-green.htmlKim Hetzel.On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 1:17:36 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:The first run used mid-reach (47-57mm) brakes, the current model uses long-reach like Tektro R559. On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 12:58:57 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Does the orange one have a different spec than the new ones? The dropouts are perhaps different? Perhaps tire clearance as well? Just asking. The Roaduno changed my mind. I have a tigged Riv (Clem) and a fillet brazed one (Gus). So if I am to have a (completely unnecessary) third Riv I decided it should be fully lugged.:)Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 13, 2024, at 3:39 PM, Doug H.  wrote:I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for the heads up!DougOn Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, Cincinnati? I have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to just $950. It’s NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is orange so from a previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to pick it up but decided I did not need it.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. I could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on that size.Thanks,DougOn Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!DougOn Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham wrote:Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.BrianOn Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest for that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is based on upright relaxed riding.On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle height. Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.DougOn Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:Frameset or complete would work. Doug HansfordAthens, Ga



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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

My message was poorly worded. I like the Sergio Green. In fact, I've liked 
all of the green Rivendells I've seen. Orange isn't my favorite though so 
my hesitation on buying the like new Orange frameset that is now on 
Craigslist. Thanks all for you help and tips. I'll let this thread roll on 
down the list.
Doug

On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 6:21:51 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Doug -
> Maybe the lighting in the photos are not true to the color of Sergio green 
> despite the wording being so ? ... or ? 
>
> At any rate, I hope you find what you are looking for in less time than 
> you anticipate. Maybe it will be a serendipity experience, like it was with 
> and my blue Clem. 
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 11:57:40 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Hi Kim,
>> Yeah they do! The price is higher but if I really want green then that is 
>> my only option. Orange is available used for less money. Decisions, 
>> decisions... :-)
>> Doug
>>
>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 11:08:26 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Blue Lug has a Rivendell 54 Roadini Framset in Sergio Green in stock !
>>>
>>> https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-roadini-frame-set-sergio-green.html
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 1:17:36 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 The first run used mid-reach (47-57mm) brakes, the current model uses 
 long-reach like Tektro R559. 

 On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 12:58:57 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Does the orange one have a different spec than the new ones? The 
> dropouts are perhaps different? Perhaps tire clearance as well? Just 
> asking. The Roaduno changed my mind. I have a tigged Riv (Clem) and a 
> fillet brazed one (Gus). So if I am to have a (completely unnecessary) 
> third Riv I decided it should be fully lugged.:)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2024, at 3:39 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good 
> price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come 
> along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for 
> the 
> heads up!
>
> Doug
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, 
>> Cincinnati? I have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to 
>> just $950. It’s NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is 
>> orange 
>> so from a previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to 
>> pick it up but decided I did not need it.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for 
>> sale. I could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I 
>> prefer on that size.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian 
>>> Cunningham wrote:
>>>
 Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 
 74cm saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at 
 least it 
 can show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of 
 sand.

 Brian


 On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien 
 wrote:

> It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they 
> suggest for that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at 
> the 
> top is preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" 
> philosophy is based on upright relaxed riding.
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 
> rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with 
>> Riv’s published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm 
>> saddle 
>> height. 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested 
>> a size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle 
>> height. 
>> Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build 
>> up. 
>> Thanks all.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Kim H.]

@Doug -
Maybe the lighting in the photos are not true to the color of Sergio green 
despite the wording being so ? ... or ? 

At any rate, I hope you find what you are looking for in less time than you 
anticipate. Maybe it will be a serendipity experience, like it was with and 
my blue Clem. 

Kim Hetzel.

On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 11:57:40 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

> Hi Kim,
> Yeah they do! The price is higher but if I really want green then that is 
> my only option. Orange is available used for less money. Decisions, 
> decisions... :-)
> Doug
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 11:08:26 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Blue Lug has a Rivendell 54 Roadini Framset in Sergio Green in stock !
>>
>> https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-roadini-frame-set-sergio-green.html
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 1:17:36 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> The first run used mid-reach (47-57mm) brakes, the current model uses 
>>> long-reach like Tektro R559. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 12:58:57 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Does the orange one have a different spec than the new ones? The 
 dropouts are perhaps different? Perhaps tire clearance as well? Just 
 asking. The Roaduno changed my mind. I have a tigged Riv (Clem) and a 
 fillet brazed one (Gus). So if I am to have a (completely unnecessary) 
 third Riv I decided it should be fully lugged.:)
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 13, 2024, at 3:39 PM, Doug H.  wrote:

 I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good 
 price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come 
 along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for the 
 heads up!

 Doug

 On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, Cincinnati? 
> I have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to just $950. 
> It’s NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is orange so from a 
> previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to pick it up 
> but decided I did not need it.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. 
> I could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on 
> that size.
>
> Thanks,
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 
>>> 74cm saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at 
>>> least it 
>>> can show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of 
>>> sand.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest 
 for that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top 
 is 
 preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy 
 is 
 based on upright relaxed riding.

 On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 
 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with 
> Riv’s published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm 
> saddle 
> height. 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a 
> size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle 
> height. 
> Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. 
> Thanks all.
>
> Doug
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>> Doug Hansford
>> Athens, Ga
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

Hi Kim,
Yeah they do! The price is higher but if I really want green then that is 
my only option. Orange is available used for less money. Decisions, 
decisions... :-)
Doug

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 11:08:26 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Blue Lug has a Rivendell 54 Roadini Framset in Sergio Green in stock !
>
> https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-roadini-frame-set-sergio-green.html
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 1:17:36 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The first run used mid-reach (47-57mm) brakes, the current model uses 
>> long-reach like Tektro R559. 
>>
>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 12:58:57 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does the orange one have a different spec than the new ones? The 
>>> dropouts are perhaps different? Perhaps tire clearance as well? Just 
>>> asking. The Roaduno changed my mind. I have a tigged Riv (Clem) and a 
>>> fillet brazed one (Gus). So if I am to have a (completely unnecessary) 
>>> third Riv I decided it should be fully lugged.:)
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2024, at 3:39 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>
>>> I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good 
>>> price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come 
>>> along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for the 
>>> heads up!
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, Cincinnati? 
 I have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to just $950. 
 It’s NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is orange so from a 
 previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to pick it up 
 but decided I did not need it.
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:

 I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. 
 I could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on 
 that size.

 Thanks,
 Doug

 On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham 
> wrote:
>
>> Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 
>> 74cm saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least 
>> it 
>> can show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest 
>>> for that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top 
>>> is 
>>> preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy 
>>> is 
>>> based on upright relaxed riding.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 
>>> rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
 published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
 height. 
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:

 I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a 
 size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle 
 height. 
 Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. 
 Thanks all.

 Doug

 On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

>
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
> Frameset or complete would work. 
> Doug Hansford
> Athens, Ga
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Kim H.]

Blue Lug has a Rivendell 54 Roadini Framset in Sergio Green in stock !

https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-roadini-frame-set-sergio-green.html

Kim Hetzel.

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 1:17:36 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The first run used mid-reach (47-57mm) brakes, the current model uses 
> long-reach like Tektro R559. 
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 12:58:57 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Does the orange one have a different spec than the new ones? The dropouts 
>> are perhaps different? Perhaps tire clearance as well? Just asking. The 
>> Roaduno changed my mind. I have a tigged Riv (Clem) and a fillet brazed one 
>> (Gus). So if I am to have a (completely unnecessary) third Riv I decided it 
>> should be fully lugged.:)
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2024, at 3:39 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good 
>> price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come 
>> along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for the 
>> heads up!
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, Cincinnati? I 
>>> have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to just $950. It’s 
>>> NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is orange so from a 
>>> previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to pick it up 
>>> but decided I did not need it.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>
>>> I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. I 
>>> could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on 
>>> that size.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
 Doug

 On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham 
 wrote:

> Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 
> 74cm saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least 
> it 
> can show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest 
>> for that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is 
>> preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is 
>> based on upright relaxed riding.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
>>> published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
>>> height. 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>
>>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a 
>>> size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle 
>>> height. 
>>> Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. 
>>> Thanks all.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>


 On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

 Frameset or complete would work. 
 Doug Hansford
 Athens, Ga

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Joe Bernard]

The first run used mid-reach (47-57mm) brakes, the current model uses 
long-reach like Tektro R559. 

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 12:58:57 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Does the orange one have a different spec than the new ones? The dropouts 
> are perhaps different? Perhaps tire clearance as well? Just asking. The 
> Roaduno changed my mind. I have a tigged Riv (Clem) and a fillet brazed one 
> (Gus). So if I am to have a (completely unnecessary) third Riv I decided it 
> should be fully lugged.:)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2024, at 3:39 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good 
> price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come 
> along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for the 
> heads up!
>
> Doug
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, Cincinnati? I 
>> have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to just $950. It’s 
>> NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is orange so from a 
>> previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to pick it up 
>> but decided I did not need it.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. I 
>> could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on 
>> that size.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm 
 saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can 
 show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.

 Brian


 On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest 
> for that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is 
> preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is 
> based on upright relaxed riding.
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
>> published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
>> height. 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a 
>> size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle 
>> height. 
>> Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. 
>> Thanks all.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
>>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>>> Doug Hansford
>>> Athens, Ga
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

I don't know the answer but my assumption is that it is the same geometry. 
I sold my Clem so am currently without a Rivendell. I've been riding my 
Wabi single speed which I really like. Single speed riding is fun but I 
want a geared bike too. The Roadini seems like the best option for me 
although I would take a Homer if one were available in my size (51). You 
won't have to wait too much longer for a Roaduno if the frame schedule 
holds true.
Doug

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:58:57 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Does the orange one have a different spec than the new ones? The dropouts 
> are perhaps different? Perhaps tire clearance as well? Just asking. The 
> Roaduno changed my mind. I have a tigged Riv (Clem) and a fillet brazed one 
> (Gus). So if I am to have a (completely unnecessary) third Riv I decided it 
> should be fully lugged.:)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2024, at 3:39 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good 
> price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come 
> along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for the 
> heads up!
>
> Doug
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, Cincinnati? I 
>> have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to just $950. It’s 
>> NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is orange so from a 
>> previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to pick it up 
>> but decided I did not need it.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. I 
>> could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on 
>> that size.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm 
 saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can 
 show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.

 Brian


 On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest 
> for that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is 
> preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is 
> based on upright relaxed riding.
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
>> published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
>> height. 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a 
>> size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle 
>> height. 
>> Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. 
>> Thanks all.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
>>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>>> Doug Hansford
>>> Athens, Ga
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

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Does the orange one have a different spec than the new ones? The dropouts are perhaps different? Perhaps tire clearance as well? Just asking. The Roaduno changed my mind. I have a tigged Riv (Clem) and a fillet brazed one (Gus). So if I am to have a (completely unnecessary) third Riv I decided it should be fully lugged.:)Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 13, 2024, at 3:39 PM, Doug H.  wrote:I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for the heads up!DougOn Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, Cincinnati? I have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to just $950. It’s NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is orange so from a previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to pick it up but decided I did not need it.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. I could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on that size.Thanks,DougOn Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!DougOn Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham wrote:Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.BrianOn Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest for that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is based on upright relaxed riding.On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle height. Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.DougOn Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:Frameset or complete would work. Doug HansfordAthens, Ga



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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good 
price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come 
along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for the 
heads up!
Doug

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, Cincinnati? I 
> have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to just $950. It’s 
> NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is orange so from a 
> previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to pick it up 
> but decided I did not need it.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. I 
> could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on 
> that size.
>
> Thanks,
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm 
>>> saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can 
>>> show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest for 
 that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is 
 preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is 
 based on upright relaxed riding.

 On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
> published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
> height. 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a 
> size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. 
> Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. 
> Thanks all.
>
> Doug
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>> Doug Hansford
>> Athens, Ga
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Richard Rose]

Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, Cincinnati? I have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to just $950. It’s NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is orange so from a previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to pick it up but decided I did not need it.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. I could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on that size.Thanks,DougOn Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!DougOn Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham wrote:Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.BrianOn Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest for that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is based on upright relaxed riding.On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle height. Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.DougOn Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:Frameset or complete would work. Doug HansfordAthens, Ga



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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. I 
could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on 
that size.
Thanks,
Doug

On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham 
> wrote:
>
>> Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm 
>> saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can 
>> show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest for 
>>> that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is 
>>> preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is 
>>> based on upright relaxed riding.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
 published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
 height. 
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:

 I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 
 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since 
 that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.

 Doug

 On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

>
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
> Frameset or complete would work. 
> Doug Hansford
> Athens, Ga
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
Doug

On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham wrote:

> Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm 
> saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can 
> show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest for 
>> that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is 
>> preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is 
>> based on upright relaxed riding.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
>>> published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
>>> height. 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>
>>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 
>>> 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since 
>>> that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>


 On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

 Frameset or complete would work. 
 Doug Hansford
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

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It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest for 
that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is 
preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is 
based on upright relaxed riding.

On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
> published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
> height. 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 50 
> Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since 
> that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.
>
> Doug
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>> Doug Hansford
>> Athens, Ga
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Richard Rose]

This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle height. Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.DougOn Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:Frameset or complete would work. Doug HansfordAthens, Ga



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[RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

Thanks Johnny and Brian. I really could ride either size it seems the 
difference being how much seat post is showing as you said Brian. I'm 
thinking drop bars so the 50 might be a little better with that 
configuration.
Doug

On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 11:31:34 AM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham wrote:

> Oops! An error on my part. We have a 2.5cm difference in saddle height, 
> not 2.5 inches. So a 54 should still give you four inches of seatpost.
>
> On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-8 Brian Cunningham wrote:
>
>> Doug,
>>
>> Will is probably leading you in the right direction. Some data points 
>> that might help you from my 54 Roadini. Shod with 700X42s, the standover 
>> height is 32". I'm 6'0" with a 85 PBH/74cm saddle height. My saddle height 
>> gives me 5 inches of seatpost visible, so you'd be down to 2.5". 
>>
>> Interestingly, I just checked the geometry chart and there's only 1.3cm 
>> of difference in effective top tube between the 50 (55.2cm) and the 54 
>> (56.5cm). I'm no bike fit expert (I figure if nothing's hurting all is 
>> good!) but I'd figure the difference of a single cm is just a stem choice 
>> away.
>>
>> As Will has alluded to in the emails, it's easy to get the bars 
>> comfortably high (though I actually ride this one with the bars a smidge 
>> below saddle) without having to size up. 
>>
>> I'm loving my Roadini and hope you love your soon-to-be-Roadini.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Brian
>> Glendale, CA
>> On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 7:51:21 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> It depends how you want it set up but if you are going for more of a 
>>> traditional road bike the 54 would ride like a 57 or something around 
>>> there. A 50 would ride more like a 54.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 10:14:28 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 
 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since 
 that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.
 Doug

 On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

>
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
> Frameset or complete would work. 
> Doug Hansford
> Athens, Ga
>
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Brian Cunningham]

Oops! An error on my part. We have a 2.5cm difference in saddle height, not 
2.5 inches. So a 54 should still give you four inches of seatpost.

On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-8 Brian Cunningham wrote:

> Doug,
>
> Will is probably leading you in the right direction. Some data points that 
> might help you from my 54 Roadini. Shod with 700X42s, the standover height 
> is 32". I'm 6'0" with a 85 PBH/74cm saddle height. My saddle height gives 
> me 5 inches of seatpost visible, so you'd be down to 2.5". 
>
> Interestingly, I just checked the geometry chart and there's only 1.3cm of 
> difference in effective top tube between the 50 (55.2cm) and the 54 
> (56.5cm). I'm no bike fit expert (I figure if nothing's hurting all is 
> good!) but I'd figure the difference of a single cm is just a stem choice 
> away.
>
> As Will has alluded to in the emails, it's easy to get the bars 
> comfortably high (though I actually ride this one with the bars a smidge 
> below saddle) without having to size up. 
>
> I'm loving my Roadini and hope you love your soon-to-be-Roadini.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Brian
> Glendale, CA
> On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 7:51:21 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> It depends how you want it set up but if you are going for more of a 
>> traditional road bike the 54 would ride like a 57 or something around 
>> there. A 50 would ride more like a 54.
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 10:14:28 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 
>>> 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since 
>>> that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>


 On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

 Frameset or complete would work. 
 Doug Hansford
 Athens, Ga



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[RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Brian Cunningham]

Doug,

Will is probably leading you in the right direction. Some data points that 
might help you from my 54 Roadini. Shod with 700X42s, the standover height 
is 32". I'm 6'0" with a 85 PBH/74cm saddle height. My saddle height gives 
me 5 inches of seatpost visible, so you'd be down to 2.5". 

Interestingly, I just checked the geometry chart and there's only 1.3cm of 
difference in effective top tube between the 50 (55.2cm) and the 54 
(56.5cm). I'm no bike fit expert (I figure if nothing's hurting all is 
good!) but I'd figure the difference of a single cm is just a stem choice 
away.

As Will has alluded to in the emails, it's easy to get the bars comfortably 
high (though I actually ride this one with the bars a smidge below saddle) 
without having to size up. 

I'm loving my Roadini and hope you love your soon-to-be-Roadini.

Cheers,

Brian
Glendale, CA
On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 7:51:21 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> It depends how you want it set up but if you are going for more of a 
> traditional road bike the 54 would ride like a 57 or something around 
> there. A 50 would ride more like a 54.
>
> On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 10:14:28 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 50 
>> Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since 
>> that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
>>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>>> Doug Hansford
>>> Athens, Ga
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Johnny Alien]

It depends how you want it set up but if you are going for more of a 
traditional road bike the 54 would ride like a 57 or something around 
there. A 50 would ride more like a 54.

On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 10:14:28 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 50 
> Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since 
> that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.
> Doug
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>> Doug Hansford
>> Athens, Ga
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 50 
Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since 
that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.
Doug

On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

>
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
> Frameset or complete would work. 
> Doug Hansford
> Athens, Ga
>
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[John Dewey]

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

Frameset or complete would work. 
Doug Hansford
Athens, Ga

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini Frame

[River Bailey]

Fast! I think it was $165 

On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 9:48:16 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> How was the shipping?
>
> On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 6:40 PM River Bailey  wrote:
>
>> Found one at Blue Lug! :-)
>>
>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 1:18:19 PM UTC-4 River Bailey wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for 54 Roadini frame in new Sergio Green. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini Frame

[Eliot Balogh]

How was the shipping?

On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 6:40 PM River Bailey  wrote:

> Found one at Blue Lug! :-)
>
> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 1:18:19 PM UTC-4 River Bailey wrote:
>
>> Looking for 54 Roadini frame in new Sergio Green.
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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini Frame

[River Bailey]

Found one at Blue Lug! :-)

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 1:18:19 PM UTC-4 River Bailey wrote:

> Looking for 54 Roadini frame in new Sergio Green. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[danielle da cruz]

Congrats, Johnny! Excited to see what you do with it.

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 8:43:07 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The Roadini frames were in stock long enough to tempt me into getting one. 
> Dark gold one coming my way.
>
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:49:40 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Garth, FWIW I really like those VO Grand Cru calipers. I replaced a set 
>> of Record 80's calipers/brake levers with Grand Crus and the TRP levers 
>> someone posted about recently and it's a combo I've been really happy 
>> with.If it matters, a number of years ago in *Bicycle Quarterly* Jan 
>> Heine did an extensive and favorable review of this brakeset ...not sure if 
>> it's available online or not. But to my mind they really work 
>> well...although I admit I don't live in the mountains. They're good-looking 
>> brakes as well.$175 per set does not seem unreasonable
>>
>> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 6:18:36 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have no idea where the frames are being made or any of the other 
>>> particulars beyond what was printed by VO. Taiwan is likely of course as I 
>>> think that's where they have the majority of the business relationships. 
>>> I'm eager to try their Grand Cru calipers too. I've never used any caliper 
>>> besides a Suntour somethingoranother in the 70's and Campy Record of the 
>>> 80's. 
>>>
>>> The main difference with the VO and the Riv models is one of how the 
>>> rider is positioned over the BB. The VO is much more body forward, with a 
>>> steeper seat tube angle(73.5 vs. 72), and notably more reach and longer 
>>> font end. Also more fork rake, less trail, around 51 think, and a higher 
>>> BB, all of which suits me. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:42:04 PM UTC-4 jrst wrote:
>>>
>>> Garth, looks really nice. Are they made in Taiwan? Enjoy 
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 4:09 PM Garth  wrote:
>>>
>>> I pre-ordered the VO Rando today. Through the 6th the frames are 
>>> discounted 20% for pre-orders.  I hadn't even been aware of them. Road bike 
>>> heaven, Yippee ! 
>>>
>>> I finally got the drop bars on my Franklin and I had forgotten how much 
>>> I love riding them, so I'm going the exact opposite of what Riv is doing, 
>>> I'm all in on going back to pure road bikes. 
>>>
>>> https://velo-orange.com/products/rando-frameset
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Johnny Alien]

The Roadini frames were in stock long enough to tempt me into getting one. 
Dark gold one coming my way.

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:49:40 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> Garth, FWIW I really like those VO Grand Cru calipers. I replaced a set of 
> Record 80's calipers/brake levers with Grand Crus and the TRP levers 
> someone posted about recently and it's a combo I've been really happy 
> with.If it matters, a number of years ago in *Bicycle Quarterly* Jan 
> Heine did an extensive and favorable review of this brakeset ...not sure if 
> it's available online or not. But to my mind they really work 
> well...although I admit I don't live in the mountains. They're good-looking 
> brakes as well.$175 per set does not seem unreasonable
>
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 6:18:36 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>>
>> I have no idea where the frames are being made or any of the other 
>> particulars beyond what was printed by VO. Taiwan is likely of course as I 
>> think that's where they have the majority of the business relationships. 
>> I'm eager to try their Grand Cru calipers too. I've never used any caliper 
>> besides a Suntour somethingoranother in the 70's and Campy Record of the 
>> 80's. 
>>
>> The main difference with the VO and the Riv models is one of how the 
>> rider is positioned over the BB. The VO is much more body forward, with a 
>> steeper seat tube angle(73.5 vs. 72), and notably more reach and longer 
>> font end. Also more fork rake, less trail, around 51 think, and a higher 
>> BB, all of which suits me. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:42:04 PM UTC-4 jrst wrote:
>>
>> Garth, looks really nice. Are they made in Taiwan? Enjoy 
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 4:09 PM Garth  wrote:
>>
>> I pre-ordered the VO Rando today. Through the 6th the frames are 
>> discounted 20% for pre-orders.  I hadn't even been aware of them. Road bike 
>> heaven, Yippee ! 
>>
>> I finally got the drop bars on my Franklin and I had forgotten how much I 
>> love riding them, so I'm going the exact opposite of what Riv is doing, I'm 
>> all in on going back to pure road bikes. 
>>
>> https://velo-orange.com/products/rando-frameset
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Ryan]

Garth, FWIW I really like those VO Grand Cru calipers. I replaced a set of 
Record 80's calipers/brake levers with Grand Crus and the TRP levers 
someone posted about recently and it's a combo I've been really happy 
with.If it matters, a number of years ago in *Bicycle Quarterly* Jan Heine 
did an extensive and favorable review of this brakeset ...not sure if it's 
available online or not. But to my mind they really work well...although I 
admit I don't live in the mountains. They're good-looking brakes as 
well.$175 per set does not seem unreasonable

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 6:18:36 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

>
> I have no idea where the frames are being made or any of the other 
> particulars beyond what was printed by VO. Taiwan is likely of course as I 
> think that's where they have the majority of the business relationships. 
> I'm eager to try their Grand Cru calipers too. I've never used any caliper 
> besides a Suntour somethingoranother in the 70's and Campy Record of the 
> 80's. 
>
> The main difference with the VO and the Riv models is one of how the rider 
> is positioned over the BB. The VO is much more body forward, with a steeper 
> seat tube angle(73.5 vs. 72), and notably more reach and longer font end. 
> Also more fork rake, less trail, around 51 think, and a higher BB, all of 
> which suits me. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:42:04 PM UTC-4 jrst wrote:
>
> Garth, looks really nice. Are they made in Taiwan? Enjoy 
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 4:09 PM Garth  wrote:
>
> I pre-ordered the VO Rando today. Through the 6th the frames are 
> discounted 20% for pre-orders.  I hadn't even been aware of them. Road bike 
> heaven, Yippee ! 
>
> I finally got the drop bars on my Franklin and I had forgotten how much I 
> love riding them, so I'm going the exact opposite of what Riv is doing, I'm 
> all in on going back to pure road bikes. 
>
> https://velo-orange.com/products/rando-frameset
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Garth]

I have no idea where the frames are being made or any of the other 
particulars beyond what was printed by VO. Taiwan is likely of course as I 
think that's where they have the majority of the business relationships. 
I'm eager to try their Grand Cru calipers too. I've never used any caliper 
besides a Suntour somethingoranother in the 70's and Campy Record of the 
80's. 

The main difference with the VO and the Riv models is one of how the rider 
is positioned over the BB. The VO is much more body forward, with a steeper 
seat tube angle(73.5 vs. 72), and notably more reach and longer font end. 
Also more fork rake, less trail, around 51 think, and a higher BB, all of 
which suits me. 



On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:42:04 PM UTC-4 jrst wrote:

Garth, looks really nice. Are they made in Taiwan? Enjoy 

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 4:09 PM Garth  wrote:

I pre-ordered the VO Rando today. Through the 6th the frames are discounted 
20% for pre-orders.  I hadn't even been aware of them. Road bike heaven, 
Yippee ! 

I finally got the drop bars on my Franklin and I had forgotten how much I 
love riding them, so I'm going the exact opposite of what Riv is doing, I'm 
all in on going back to pure road bikes. 

https://velo-orange.com/products/rando-frameset


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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[J S]

Garth, looks really nice. Are they made in Taiwan? Enjoy

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 4:09 PM Garth  wrote:

> I pre-ordered the VO Rando today. Through the 6th the frames are
> discounted 20% for pre-orders.  I hadn't even been aware of them. Road bike
> heaven, Yippee !
>
> I finally got the drop bars on my Franklin and I had forgotten how much I
> love riding them, so I'm going the exact opposite of what Riv is doing, I'm
> all in on going back to pure road bikes.
>
> https://velo-orange.com/products/rando-frameset
>
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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Garth]

I pre-ordered the VO Rando today. Through the 6th the frames are discounted 
20% for pre-orders.  I hadn't even been aware of them. Road bike heaven, 
Yippee ! 

I finally got the drop bars on my Franklin and I had forgotten how much I 
love riding them, so I'm going the exact opposite of what Riv is doing, I'm 
all in on going back to pure road bikes. 

https://velo-orange.com/products/rando-frameset


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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Davey Two Shoes]

I've been giving the Soma Pescadero and New VO Rando a serious look.

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 8:35:32 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:

> Very nice ride Jamin, thanks for sharing.
>
> JohnS
>
> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 10:55:58 AM UTC-4 jamin orrall wrote:
>
>> Keep an eye out for an 80's specialized sequoia, they are wonderful 
>> bikes.  Fits 32's or 650b's with tektro r559s, rides like a fast Rivendell 
>> but a little flexier. One of my favorite bikes.
>> [image: IMG_6651.JPG]
>> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 8:08:18 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks! The saddle height in that picture is probably between 79-80.
>>>
>>> Bones
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 12:55:05 PM UTC-4 jhri...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Bones, that's a beautiful Roadini build. Could I ask your saddle 
 height? I'm 78.5ish with an 89.5 PBH and having a difficult time deciding 
 between frames myself.

 On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:46:37 PM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:

> Hello Peter,
>
> Wow, an '81 Sequoia! Those are very rare since only about 700 were 
> made by hand. In '82 is when production ramped up. Please post a picture 
> if 
> you can.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:58:26 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Very nice build, Bones!  B) 
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:05:30 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> I started with an Appaloosa, which I built as a workhorse to ferry 
>>> my kids around. I wanted something without all the racks and utility so 
>>> I 
>>> purchased a Hillborne. Great bike, but I found it too similar to my 
>>> Appaloosa so I moved it along and bought a Roadini. It was exactly what 
>>> I 
>>> was looking for. No, it is not a delicate, lightweight bike. That is to 
>>> my 
>>> benefit, as I can do stupid things to it without worrying about it 
>>> being 
>>> damaged. It is a Rivendell, and it rides like all of my other 
>>> Rivendells. 
>>> It currently resides at my parents' house, and I make a point to ride 
>>> it 
>>> whenever I visit. I love that bike.
>>>
>>> [image: roadini2.jpg]
>>>
>>> Bones
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:49:48 AM UTC-4 chasenl...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_4997.jpeg]

 I am about 200 miles into my orange-ass roadini and I love it. Set 
 up with a23s, dirt drops, cavas and an analog 30mm stem. It is not 
 flexy 
 and light like my rb 2. It is no sports car. Its like a benz, smooth 
 and 
 comfy. I have a 90 stumpjumper (that I’m convinced could be the worlds 
 greatest bicycle), and the roadini is v similar, minus canti post, add 
 practical geometry. It is definitely stout, which makes the lack of 
 rack 
 mounts annoying, but its not t stout. To me, it feels like a road 
 tourer, not a zippy speed machine. I think a crust mallochio or 
 lightning 
 bolt might be lighter/flexier/zippier. 
 On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:03:16 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> This paragraph is from Will's recent email... If this sounds like 
> what you're looking for then I say buy one. 
>
> "Yes, the Roadini is heavier than a carbon frame, but, and even 
> though it's a cliche phrase at this point, *it rides light* and I 
> don't care if I'm two minutes slower than my alternate-universe self 
> who 
> rides a carbon bike. I still feel fast on it, and I'm not racing 
> anybody 
> anyway, even myself. My bike priorities are safety, comfort, 
> reliability, 
> and the ability to stretch the bike beyond it's stated purpose. Most 
> of you 
> aren't able to come test ride one before you buy, but those that do 
> invariably say something like, "it's faster than I thought it would 
> be!". 
> It's always been more about the rider than the frame, but I know what 
> they 
> mean."
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:14:40 PM UTC-4 
> brenton...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've 
>> seen at Riv and Blue Lug.
>>
>> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several 
>> iterations of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have 
>> been 
>> really fun. Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm 
>> tires, and 
>> is an excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's 
>> currently my 
>> only bike!
>>
>> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, 
>> and those worked great for 

[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[JohnS]

Very nice ride Jamin, thanks for sharing.

JohnS

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 10:55:58 AM UTC-4 jamin orrall wrote:

> Keep an eye out for an 80's specialized sequoia, they are wonderful bikes. 
>  Fits 32's or 650b's with tektro r559s, rides like a fast Rivendell but a 
> little flexier. One of my favorite bikes.
> [image: IMG_6651.JPG]
> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 8:08:18 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>
>> Thanks! The saddle height in that picture is probably between 79-80.
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 12:55:05 PM UTC-4 jhri...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Bones, that's a beautiful Roadini build. Could I ask your saddle height? 
>>> I'm 78.5ish with an 89.5 PBH and having a difficult time deciding between 
>>> frames myself.
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:46:37 PM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>>>
 Hello Peter,

 Wow, an '81 Sequoia! Those are very rare since only about 700 were made 
 by hand. In '82 is when production ramped up. Please post a picture if you 
 can.

 Thanks,
 John


 On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:58:26 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Very nice build, Bones!  B) 
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:05:30 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>
>> I started with an Appaloosa, which I built as a workhorse to ferry my 
>> kids around. I wanted something without all the racks and utility so I 
>> purchased a Hillborne. Great bike, but I found it too similar to my 
>> Appaloosa so I moved it along and bought a Roadini. It was exactly what 
>> I 
>> was looking for. No, it is not a delicate, lightweight bike. That is to 
>> my 
>> benefit, as I can do stupid things to it without worrying about it being 
>> damaged. It is a Rivendell, and it rides like all of my other 
>> Rivendells. 
>> It currently resides at my parents' house, and I make a point to ride it 
>> whenever I visit. I love that bike.
>>
>> [image: roadini2.jpg]
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:49:48 AM UTC-4 chasenl...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_4997.jpeg]
>>>
>>> I am about 200 miles into my orange-ass roadini and I love it. Set 
>>> up with a23s, dirt drops, cavas and an analog 30mm stem. It is not 
>>> flexy 
>>> and light like my rb 2. It is no sports car. Its like a benz, smooth 
>>> and 
>>> comfy. I have a 90 stumpjumper (that I’m convinced could be the worlds 
>>> greatest bicycle), and the roadini is v similar, minus canti post, add 
>>> practical geometry. It is definitely stout, which makes the lack of 
>>> rack 
>>> mounts annoying, but its not t stout. To me, it feels like a road 
>>> tourer, not a zippy speed machine. I think a crust mallochio or 
>>> lightning 
>>> bolt might be lighter/flexier/zippier. 
>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:03:16 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 This paragraph is from Will's recent email... If this sounds like 
 what you're looking for then I say buy one. 

 "Yes, the Roadini is heavier than a carbon frame, but, and even 
 though it's a cliche phrase at this point, *it rides light* and I 
 don't care if I'm two minutes slower than my alternate-universe self 
 who 
 rides a carbon bike. I still feel fast on it, and I'm not racing 
 anybody 
 anyway, even myself. My bike priorities are safety, comfort, 
 reliability, 
 and the ability to stretch the bike beyond it's stated purpose. Most 
 of you 
 aren't able to come test ride one before you buy, but those that do 
 invariably say something like, "it's faster than I thought it would 
 be!". 
 It's always been more about the rider than the frame, but I know what 
 they 
 mean."

 Doug


 On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:14:40 PM UTC-4 
 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've 
> seen at Riv and Blue Lug.
>
> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several 
> iterations of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have 
> been 
> really fun. Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, 
> and 
> is an excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's 
> currently my 
> only bike!
>
> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, 
> and those worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. 
> I've 
> heard that the Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this 
> group.
>
> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is 

[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Bones]

Thanks! The saddle height in that picture is probably between 79-80.

Bones

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 12:55:05 PM UTC-4 jhri...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bones, that's a beautiful Roadini build. Could I ask your saddle height? 
> I'm 78.5ish with an 89.5 PBH and having a difficult time deciding between 
> frames myself.
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:46:37 PM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Hello Peter,
>>
>> Wow, an '81 Sequoia! Those are very rare since only about 700 were made 
>> by hand. In '82 is when production ramped up. Please post a picture if you 
>> can.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:58:26 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Very nice build, Bones!  B) 
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:05:30 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>>>
 I started with an Appaloosa, which I built as a workhorse to ferry my 
 kids around. I wanted something without all the racks and utility so I 
 purchased a Hillborne. Great bike, but I found it too similar to my 
 Appaloosa so I moved it along and bought a Roadini. It was exactly what I 
 was looking for. No, it is not a delicate, lightweight bike. That is to my 
 benefit, as I can do stupid things to it without worrying about it being 
 damaged. It is a Rivendell, and it rides like all of my other Rivendells. 
 It currently resides at my parents' house, and I make a point to ride it 
 whenever I visit. I love that bike.

 [image: roadini2.jpg]

 Bones

 On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:49:48 AM UTC-4 chasenl...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> [image: IMG_4997.jpeg]
>
> I am about 200 miles into my orange-ass roadini and I love it. Set up 
> with a23s, dirt drops, cavas and an analog 30mm stem. It is not flexy and 
> light like my rb 2. It is no sports car. Its like a benz, smooth and 
> comfy. 
> I have a 90 stumpjumper (that I’m convinced could be the worlds greatest 
> bicycle), and the roadini is v similar, minus canti post, add practical 
> geometry. It is definitely stout, which makes the lack of rack mounts 
> annoying, but its not t stout. To me, it feels like a road tourer, 
> not 
> a zippy speed machine. I think a crust mallochio or lightning bolt might 
> be 
> lighter/flexier/zippier. 
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:03:16 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> This paragraph is from Will's recent email... If this sounds like 
>> what you're looking for then I say buy one. 
>>
>> "Yes, the Roadini is heavier than a carbon frame, but, and even 
>> though it's a cliche phrase at this point, *it rides light* and I 
>> don't care if I'm two minutes slower than my alternate-universe self who 
>> rides a carbon bike. I still feel fast on it, and I'm not racing anybody 
>> anyway, even myself. My bike priorities are safety, comfort, 
>> reliability, 
>> and the ability to stretch the bike beyond it's stated purpose. Most of 
>> you 
>> aren't able to come test ride one before you buy, but those that do 
>> invariably say something like, "it's faster than I thought it would 
>> be!". 
>> It's always been more about the rider than the frame, but I know what 
>> they 
>> mean."
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:14:40 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen 
>>> at Riv and Blue Lug.
>>>
>>> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several 
>>> iterations of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been 
>>> really fun. Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, 
>>> and 
>>> is an excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently 
>>> my 
>>> only bike!
>>>
>>> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and 
>>> those worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've 
>>> heard 
>>> that the Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
>>> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this 
>>> group.
>>>
>>> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is 
>>> going to scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike 
>>> that 
>>> can hold 33s and actually feel some performance?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[John Rigdon]

Bones, that's a beautiful Roadini build. Could I ask your saddle height? 
I'm 78.5ish with an 89.5 PBH and having a difficult time deciding between 
frames myself.

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:46:37 PM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:

> Hello Peter,
>
> Wow, an '81 Sequoia! Those are very rare since only about 700 were made by 
> hand. In '82 is when production ramped up. Please post a picture if you can.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:58:26 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Very nice build, Bones!  B) 
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:05:30 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> I started with an Appaloosa, which I built as a workhorse to ferry my 
>>> kids around. I wanted something without all the racks and utility so I 
>>> purchased a Hillborne. Great bike, but I found it too similar to my 
>>> Appaloosa so I moved it along and bought a Roadini. It was exactly what I 
>>> was looking for. No, it is not a delicate, lightweight bike. That is to my 
>>> benefit, as I can do stupid things to it without worrying about it being 
>>> damaged. It is a Rivendell, and it rides like all of my other Rivendells. 
>>> It currently resides at my parents' house, and I make a point to ride it 
>>> whenever I visit. I love that bike.
>>>
>>> [image: roadini2.jpg]
>>>
>>> Bones
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:49:48 AM UTC-4 chasenl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_4997.jpeg]

 I am about 200 miles into my orange-ass roadini and I love it. Set up 
 with a23s, dirt drops, cavas and an analog 30mm stem. It is not flexy and 
 light like my rb 2. It is no sports car. Its like a benz, smooth and 
 comfy. 
 I have a 90 stumpjumper (that I’m convinced could be the worlds greatest 
 bicycle), and the roadini is v similar, minus canti post, add practical 
 geometry. It is definitely stout, which makes the lack of rack mounts 
 annoying, but its not t stout. To me, it feels like a road tourer, not 
 a zippy speed machine. I think a crust mallochio or lightning bolt might 
 be 
 lighter/flexier/zippier. 
 On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:03:16 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> This paragraph is from Will's recent email... If this sounds like what 
> you're looking for then I say buy one. 
>
> "Yes, the Roadini is heavier than a carbon frame, but, and even though 
> it's a cliche phrase at this point, *it rides light* and I don't care 
> if I'm two minutes slower than my alternate-universe self who rides a 
> carbon bike. I still feel fast on it, and I'm not racing anybody anyway, 
> even myself. My bike priorities are safety, comfort, reliability, and the 
> ability to stretch the bike beyond it's stated purpose. Most of you 
> aren't 
> able to come test ride one before you buy, but those that do invariably 
> say 
> something like, "it's faster than I thought it would be!". It's always 
> been 
> more about the rider than the frame, but I know what they mean."
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:14:40 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen 
>> at Riv and Blue Lug.
>>
>> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several 
>> iterations of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been 
>> really fun. Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, 
>> and 
>> is an excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently 
>> my 
>> only bike!
>>
>> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and 
>> those worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've heard 
>> that the Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
>> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this 
>> group.
>>
>> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going 
>> to scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can 
>> hold 33s and actually feel some performance?
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Andrew Turner]

I dig Jan’s take on bike weight: your bike shouldn’t weigh more than it has
to. As long as you have a good understanding of the bikes purpose and your
riding style, your gut will know better than a bathroom scale.

On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 12:50 PM Piaw Na  wrote:

>
> 2 cents: don't get carried away with frame weight, especially when
> comparing steel frames. I'd focus more on geometry. I wanted my Roadini
> build to scratch the same itch but the long wheelbase didn't align with my
> idea of a zippy, skinny-tire road bike.
>
>
> Geometry is by far the most important thing on a road bike. And I include
> the diameter of the tubes as well as the wall thickness. Having said that,
> I don't think I'd ever consider weight unimportant. If you're a heavy
> rider, maybe it matters less, but the lighter you are the more weight
> matters. At 140 pounds or so (going down to 130 pounds when touring), the
> difference between a 30 pound MTB and a 24 pound Roadini is very
> noticeable. Lighter bikes also mean I have an easier time placing the
> wheels precisely on a single track trail. They're also way more fun to
> ride. Finally, if you ever have to fly with the bike, United airlines has a
> 50 pound limit for those of us who're not premiere or paying for business
> class international flights. A lighter bike lets you fly with the bike in a
> sturdy trico ironcase (weight 30 pounds!) without having to pay the $200
> oversize/overweight penalty. I do everything I can to shave the weight of a
> bike down without sacrificing reliability. I simply don't have any excess
> power to waste!
>
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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Piaw Na]

2 cents: don't get carried away with frame weight, especially when 
comparing steel frames. I'd focus more on geometry. I wanted my Roadini 
build to scratch the same itch but the long wheelbase didn't align with my 
idea of a zippy, skinny-tire road bike. 


Geometry is by far the most important thing on a road bike. And I include 
the diameter of the tubes as well as the wall thickness. Having said that, 
I don't think I'd ever consider weight unimportant. If you're a heavy 
rider, maybe it matters less, but the lighter you are the more weight 
matters. At 140 pounds or so (going down to 130 pounds when touring), the 
difference between a 30 pound MTB and a 24 pound Roadini is very 
noticeable. Lighter bikes also mean I have an easier time placing the 
wheels precisely on a single track trail. They're also way more fun to 
ride. Finally, if you ever have to fly with the bike, United airlines has a 
50 pound limit for those of us who're not premiere or paying for business 
class international flights. A lighter bike lets you fly with the bike in a 
sturdy trico ironcase (weight 30 pounds!) without having to pay the $200 
oversize/overweight penalty. I do everything I can to shave the weight of a 
bike down without sacrificing reliability. I simply don't have any excess 
power to waste!
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Wesley]

The two wrenches are to hold one nut still while turning the other, like 
when serving loose bearing hubs. Most (all?) threaded headsets use a keyed 
washer between the nuts to prevent one from turning the other, so there's 
no need for two wrenches. If you want to travel with a bike with threaded 
headset, it is worth using a sealed-bearing headset. For one, you can't 
lose some of the balls, and for another the preload adjustment is much less 
sensitive.

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 10:04:35 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Haha. I haven't touched my Chris King threadless headset on my touring 
> bike for years. Getting all the play out took quite a bit of futzing so now 
> I avoid messing with it.   For a threaded headset I remember you need 2 
> wrenches. Just one more thing I don't want to deal with while I'm 
> jet-lagged and putting together the bike at a hotel under time pressure.
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:55:40 AM UTC-7 chasenl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Piaw- it does, I was intimidated but I saw a plp vid where he uses the 
>> case w a threaded fork, so I just got one of those mini adjustable wrenches 
>> that Riv sells and it’s p smooth sailing as long as you keep up with 
>> everything. I saw Russ posting recently about some Topeak travel-specific, 
>> light-looking, flat headset wrenches that would be amazing for this 
>> application, but they most be a prototype, can’t find them anywhere.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 12:35 PM Piaw Na(藍俊彪)  wrote:
>>
>>> Doesn't the post-transfer case require fork removal? Is that hard to do 
>>> on the threaded headset? I've always avoided cases that require fork 
>>> removal.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 8:40 AM Chasen Smith  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Going off of what Piaw said of the AHH, the fact that the roadini will 
 fit in my post transfer case was a huge factor in my decision to get one! 

 On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:47 AM Piaw Na  wrote:

> Let me break down the road bike selection from Rivendell:
>
> Sam: I refuse to consider this a road bike since it doesn't take 
> sidepull calipers. :-) I've always hated both cantilever and v-brakes, 
> having experienced many reliability issues with them (they're probably 
> better now, but I still get PTSD from having them fall apart on me once 
> and 
> hours spent dealing with a heron that squealed like the proverbial stuck 
> pig when descending major passes in the alps). I consider even disc 
> brakes 
> to be a better compromise if you need wider tires than a Tektro 559. And 
> those squeal too just not as badly.
> Roadeo: classic road bike using medium reach brakes  I've got a 
> friend who got a Lynskey built up to match the geometry (Rivendell only 
> had 
> one demo Roadeo when he wanted to buy and the wait was such that a custom 
> Lynskey would deliver faster) and he loves it. If you don't need more 
> than 
> 35mm tires it's a great bike.
> Roadini: gravelish bike with Tektro brakes that can take 42mm tires. 
> The higher BB means you can't treat it like a MTB and never have a pedal 
> strike no matter what trails you ride on. It's versatile and heavier but 
> a 
> reasonable compromise.
> AHH: fully lugged road bike with a low BB built for tires wider than 
> 30mm. The ultra long chainstays means it's suitable for even rougher 
> trails 
> than the Roadini but might also mean it's harder to fly with. The 135mm 
> rear wheel is strong enough to handle anything a MTB can. With good bike 
> handling skills and 45mm tires this would be my choice for bikepacking 
> (though I'm light enough the Roadini will serve well there).
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:39:03 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:
>
>> Oh yeah, the AHH doesn't have downtube shifter bosses, while the 
>> Roadini does. Again, a minor consideration --- I'm happy with my 
>> downtube 
>> shifter on my Roadini, but it wouldn't have killed me to go to bar-end 
>> shifters.
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:35:31 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:
>>
>>> The AHH has 50cm chainstays, which might make it hard to fit into my 
>>> bike box for flying (I use a Trico-Ironcase). The AHH also takes 135mm 
>>> rear 
>>> wheels, while the wheels I had hanging in the garage were all 130mm 
>>> wheels. 
>>> Grant advised against cold setting an AHH. In exchange the Roadini has 
>>> a 
>>> 5mm higher BB, which I dislike (others claim you can't tell the 
>>> difference 
>>> but I can, from having ridden an 80mm drop touring bike for many 
>>> years), 
>>> but something I'm willing to trade. If my current custom touring bike 
>>> fails, I'll go for a custom bike with the Roadini geometry but with an 
>>> 80 
>>> or even 85mm BB drop now that I'm unlikely to ride tires narrower than 
>>> 28mm.
>>>
>>> That's 

Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Piaw Na]

Haha. I haven't touched my Chris King threadless headset on my touring bike 
for years. Getting all the play out took quite a bit of futzing so now I 
avoid messing with it.   For a threaded headset I remember you need 2 
wrenches. Just one more thing I don't want to deal with while I'm 
jet-lagged and putting together the bike at a hotel under time pressure.

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:55:40 AM UTC-7 chasenl...@gmail.com wrote:

> Piaw- it does, I was intimidated but I saw a plp vid where he uses the 
> case w a threaded fork, so I just got one of those mini adjustable wrenches 
> that Riv sells and it’s p smooth sailing as long as you keep up with 
> everything. I saw Russ posting recently about some Topeak travel-specific, 
> light-looking, flat headset wrenches that would be amazing for this 
> application, but they most be a prototype, can’t find them anywhere.
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 12:35 PM Piaw Na(藍俊彪)  wrote:
>
>> Doesn't the post-transfer case require fork removal? Is that hard to do 
>> on the threaded headset? I've always avoided cases that require fork 
>> removal.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 8:40 AM Chasen Smith  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Going off of what Piaw said of the AHH, the fact that the roadini will 
>>> fit in my post transfer case was a huge factor in my decision to get one! 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:47 AM Piaw Na  wrote:
>>>
 Let me break down the road bike selection from Rivendell:

 Sam: I refuse to consider this a road bike since it doesn't take 
 sidepull calipers. :-) I've always hated both cantilever and v-brakes, 
 having experienced many reliability issues with them (they're probably 
 better now, but I still get PTSD from having them fall apart on me once 
 and 
 hours spent dealing with a heron that squealed like the proverbial stuck 
 pig when descending major passes in the alps). I consider even disc brakes 
 to be a better compromise if you need wider tires than a Tektro 559. And 
 those squeal too just not as badly.
 Roadeo: classic road bike using medium reach brakes  I've got a 
 friend who got a Lynskey built up to match the geometry (Rivendell only 
 had 
 one demo Roadeo when he wanted to buy and the wait was such that a custom 
 Lynskey would deliver faster) and he loves it. If you don't need more than 
 35mm tires it's a great bike.
 Roadini: gravelish bike with Tektro brakes that can take 42mm tires. 
 The higher BB means you can't treat it like a MTB and never have a pedal 
 strike no matter what trails you ride on. It's versatile and heavier but a 
 reasonable compromise.
 AHH: fully lugged road bike with a low BB built for tires wider than 
 30mm. The ultra long chainstays means it's suitable for even rougher 
 trails 
 than the Roadini but might also mean it's harder to fly with. The 135mm 
 rear wheel is strong enough to handle anything a MTB can. With good bike 
 handling skills and 45mm tires this would be my choice for bikepacking 
 (though I'm light enough the Roadini will serve well there).

 On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:39:03 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:

> Oh yeah, the AHH doesn't have downtube shifter bosses, while the 
> Roadini does. Again, a minor consideration --- I'm happy with my downtube 
> shifter on my Roadini, but it wouldn't have killed me to go to bar-end 
> shifters.
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:35:31 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:
>
>> The AHH has 50cm chainstays, which might make it hard to fit into my 
>> bike box for flying (I use a Trico-Ironcase). The AHH also takes 135mm 
>> rear 
>> wheels, while the wheels I had hanging in the garage were all 130mm 
>> wheels. 
>> Grant advised against cold setting an AHH. In exchange the Roadini has a 
>> 5mm higher BB, which I dislike (others claim you can't tell the 
>> difference 
>> but I can, from having ridden an 80mm drop touring bike for many years), 
>> but something I'm willing to trade. If my current custom touring bike 
>> fails, I'll go for a custom bike with the Roadini geometry but with an 
>> 80 
>> or even 85mm BB drop now that I'm unlikely to ride tires narrower than 
>> 28mm.
>>
>> That's pretty much it. The extra $400 the AHH cost might also make a 
>> difference if you're stretching your budget, but it wasn't a big 
>> consideration for me.
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:03 AM UTC-7 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>>
>>> Can someone explain to me what would prompt a decision for a roadini 
>>> over a Homer aside from price? I though the Homer was Rivs "zippy" 
>>> offering. With the Roadeo being their fast offering. The road bike 
>>> category 
>>> at Riv is starting to get crowded between the Sam, Homer, Roadini and 
>>> Roadeo. I know Riv calls the Sam a Hilli/Gravel bike, but coming from a 
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Chasen Smith]

Piaw- it does, I was intimidated but I saw a plp vid where he uses the case
w a threaded fork, so I just got one of those mini adjustable wrenches that
Riv sells and it’s p smooth sailing as long as you keep up with everything.
I saw Russ posting recently about some Topeak travel-specific,
light-looking, flat headset wrenches that would be amazing for this
application, but they most be a prototype, can’t find them anywhere.

On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 12:35 PM Piaw Na(藍俊彪)  wrote:

> Doesn't the post-transfer case require fork removal? Is that hard to do on
> the threaded headset? I've always avoided cases that require fork removal.
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 8:40 AM Chasen Smith 
> wrote:
>
>> Going off of what Piaw said of the AHH, the fact that the roadini will
>> fit in my post transfer case was a huge factor in my decision to get one!
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:47 AM Piaw Na  wrote:
>>
>>> Let me break down the road bike selection from Rivendell:
>>>
>>> Sam: I refuse to consider this a road bike since it doesn't take
>>> sidepull calipers. :-) I've always hated both cantilever and v-brakes,
>>> having experienced many reliability issues with them (they're probably
>>> better now, but I still get PTSD from having them fall apart on me once and
>>> hours spent dealing with a heron that squealed like the proverbial stuck
>>> pig when descending major passes in the alps). I consider even disc brakes
>>> to be a better compromise if you need wider tires than a Tektro 559. And
>>> those squeal too just not as badly.
>>> Roadeo: classic road bike using medium reach brakes  I've got a
>>> friend who got a Lynskey built up to match the geometry (Rivendell only had
>>> one demo Roadeo when he wanted to buy and the wait was such that a custom
>>> Lynskey would deliver faster) and he loves it. If you don't need more than
>>> 35mm tires it's a great bike.
>>> Roadini: gravelish bike with Tektro brakes that can take 42mm tires. The
>>> higher BB means you can't treat it like a MTB and never have a pedal strike
>>> no matter what trails you ride on. It's versatile and heavier but a
>>> reasonable compromise.
>>> AHH: fully lugged road bike with a low BB built for tires wider than
>>> 30mm. The ultra long chainstays means it's suitable for even rougher trails
>>> than the Roadini but might also mean it's harder to fly with. The 135mm
>>> rear wheel is strong enough to handle anything a MTB can. With good bike
>>> handling skills and 45mm tires this would be my choice for bikepacking
>>> (though I'm light enough the Roadini will serve well there).
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:39:03 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:
>>>
 Oh yeah, the AHH doesn't have downtube shifter bosses, while the
 Roadini does. Again, a minor consideration --- I'm happy with my downtube
 shifter on my Roadini, but it wouldn't have killed me to go to bar-end
 shifters.

 On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:35:31 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:

> The AHH has 50cm chainstays, which might make it hard to fit into my
> bike box for flying (I use a Trico-Ironcase). The AHH also takes 135mm 
> rear
> wheels, while the wheels I had hanging in the garage were all 130mm 
> wheels.
> Grant advised against cold setting an AHH. In exchange the Roadini has a
> 5mm higher BB, which I dislike (others claim you can't tell the difference
> but I can, from having ridden an 80mm drop touring bike for many years),
> but something I'm willing to trade. If my current custom touring bike
> fails, I'll go for a custom bike with the Roadini geometry but with an 80
> or even 85mm BB drop now that I'm unlikely to ride tires narrower than 
> 28mm.
>
> That's pretty much it. The extra $400 the AHH cost might also make a
> difference if you're stretching your budget, but it wasn't a big
> consideration for me.
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:03 AM UTC-7 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>
>> Can someone explain to me what would prompt a decision for a roadini
>> over a Homer aside from price? I though the Homer was Rivs "zippy"
>> offering. With the Roadeo being their fast offering. The road bike 
>> category
>> at Riv is starting to get crowded between the Sam, Homer, Roadini and
>> Roadeo. I know Riv calls the Sam a Hilli/Gravel bike, but coming from a
>> modern gravel bike, and before that a Salsa Vaya, the Sam is definitely a
>> road bike that happens to be tough and capable elsewhere. But a Road Bike
>> when the day is done.
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:51:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> For some of us who have had back pain with more modern bikes
>>> Rivendells have always been a breath of fresh air. I started buying 
>>> them in
>>> 1997 and have not looked back, they made riding possible for me again.
>>>
>>> I do prefer the Rivs with the shorter for Riv  chainstays. Nice
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[藍俊彪]

Doesn't the post-transfer case require fork removal? Is that hard to do on
the threaded headset? I've always avoided cases that require fork removal.

On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 8:40 AM Chasen Smith 
wrote:

> Going off of what Piaw said of the AHH, the fact that the roadini will fit
> in my post transfer case was a huge factor in my decision to get one!
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:47 AM Piaw Na  wrote:
>
>> Let me break down the road bike selection from Rivendell:
>>
>> Sam: I refuse to consider this a road bike since it doesn't take sidepull
>> calipers. :-) I've always hated both cantilever and v-brakes, having
>> experienced many reliability issues with them (they're probably better now,
>> but I still get PTSD from having them fall apart on me once and hours spent
>> dealing with a heron that squealed like the proverbial stuck pig when
>> descending major passes in the alps). I consider even disc brakes to be a
>> better compromise if you need wider tires than a Tektro 559. And those
>> squeal too just not as badly.
>> Roadeo: classic road bike using medium reach brakes  I've got a
>> friend who got a Lynskey built up to match the geometry (Rivendell only had
>> one demo Roadeo when he wanted to buy and the wait was such that a custom
>> Lynskey would deliver faster) and he loves it. If you don't need more than
>> 35mm tires it's a great bike.
>> Roadini: gravelish bike with Tektro brakes that can take 42mm tires. The
>> higher BB means you can't treat it like a MTB and never have a pedal strike
>> no matter what trails you ride on. It's versatile and heavier but a
>> reasonable compromise.
>> AHH: fully lugged road bike with a low BB built for tires wider than
>> 30mm. The ultra long chainstays means it's suitable for even rougher trails
>> than the Roadini but might also mean it's harder to fly with. The 135mm
>> rear wheel is strong enough to handle anything a MTB can. With good bike
>> handling skills and 45mm tires this would be my choice for bikepacking
>> (though I'm light enough the Roadini will serve well there).
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:39:03 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:
>>
>>> Oh yeah, the AHH doesn't have downtube shifter bosses, while the Roadini
>>> does. Again, a minor consideration --- I'm happy with my downtube shifter
>>> on my Roadini, but it wouldn't have killed me to go to bar-end shifters.
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:35:31 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:
>>>
 The AHH has 50cm chainstays, which might make it hard to fit into my
 bike box for flying (I use a Trico-Ironcase). The AHH also takes 135mm rear
 wheels, while the wheels I had hanging in the garage were all 130mm wheels.
 Grant advised against cold setting an AHH. In exchange the Roadini has a
 5mm higher BB, which I dislike (others claim you can't tell the difference
 but I can, from having ridden an 80mm drop touring bike for many years),
 but something I'm willing to trade. If my current custom touring bike
 fails, I'll go for a custom bike with the Roadini geometry but with an 80
 or even 85mm BB drop now that I'm unlikely to ride tires narrower than 
 28mm.

 That's pretty much it. The extra $400 the AHH cost might also make a
 difference if you're stretching your budget, but it wasn't a big
 consideration for me.

 On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:03 AM UTC-7 Davey Two Shoes wrote:

> Can someone explain to me what would prompt a decision for a roadini
> over a Homer aside from price? I though the Homer was Rivs "zippy"
> offering. With the Roadeo being their fast offering. The road bike 
> category
> at Riv is starting to get crowded between the Sam, Homer, Roadini and
> Roadeo. I know Riv calls the Sam a Hilli/Gravel bike, but coming from a
> modern gravel bike, and before that a Salsa Vaya, the Sam is definitely a
> road bike that happens to be tough and capable elsewhere. But a Road Bike
> when the day is done.
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:51:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> For some of us who have had back pain with more modern bikes
>> Rivendells have always been a breath of fresh air. I started buying them 
>> in
>> 1997 and have not looked back, they made riding possible for me again.
>>
>> I do prefer the Rivs with the shorter for Riv  chainstays. Nice bikes
>> for those of us who have issues with more aggressive geometries. For me 
>> not
>> koolaide but a practical   comfort.
>>
>> Glad your aluminum bike works for you.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 2:13 AM Nick Payne  wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 2:43:06 pm UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a
>>> companion to his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us
>>> "people who've drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 
>>>
>>> I have 

Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Wesley]

In my opinion, the most significant difference between a Roadini and a 
homer is that the Roadini is designed for drop bars (so has a shorter top 
tube) and the Homer is designed for upright swept-back bars.

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:03 AM UTC-7 Davey Two Shoes wrote:

> Can someone explain to me what would prompt a decision for a roadini over 
> a Homer aside from price? I though the Homer was Rivs "zippy" offering. 
> With the Roadeo being their fast offering. The road bike category at Riv is 
> starting to get crowded between the Sam, Homer, Roadini and Roadeo. I know 
> Riv calls the Sam a Hilli/Gravel bike, but coming from a modern gravel 
> bike, and before that a Salsa Vaya, the Sam is definitely a road bike that 
> happens to be tough and capable elsewhere. But a Road Bike when the day is 
> done.
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:51:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> For some of us who have had back pain with more modern bikes Rivendells 
>> have always been a breath of fresh air. I started buying them in 1997 and 
>> have not looked back, they made riding possible for me again. 
>>
>> I do prefer the Rivs with the shorter for Riv  chainstays. Nice bikes for 
>> those of us who have issues with more aggressive geometries. For me not 
>> koolaide but a practical   comfort. 
>>
>> Glad your aluminum bike works for you.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 2:13 AM Nick Payne  wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 2:43:06 pm UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a companion 
>>> to his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us "people who've 
>>> drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 
>>>
>>> I have Rivendell bikes, and they're nice bikes to ride. I just don't 
>>> think they're the be-all and end-all of bicycle design. What the OP seems 
>>> to be looking for in a bike is closer to what you and I both recommended.
>>>
>>> Nick Payne
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Chasen Smith]

Going off of what Piaw said of the AHH, the fact that the roadini will fit
in my post transfer case was a huge factor in my decision to get one!

On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:47 AM Piaw Na  wrote:

> Let me break down the road bike selection from Rivendell:
>
> Sam: I refuse to consider this a road bike since it doesn't take sidepull
> calipers. :-) I've always hated both cantilever and v-brakes, having
> experienced many reliability issues with them (they're probably better now,
> but I still get PTSD from having them fall apart on me once and hours spent
> dealing with a heron that squealed like the proverbial stuck pig when
> descending major passes in the alps). I consider even disc brakes to be a
> better compromise if you need wider tires than a Tektro 559. And those
> squeal too just not as badly.
> Roadeo: classic road bike using medium reach brakes  I've got a friend
> who got a Lynskey built up to match the geometry (Rivendell only had one
> demo Roadeo when he wanted to buy and the wait was such that a custom
> Lynskey would deliver faster) and he loves it. If you don't need more than
> 35mm tires it's a great bike.
> Roadini: gravelish bike with Tektro brakes that can take 42mm tires. The
> higher BB means you can't treat it like a MTB and never have a pedal strike
> no matter what trails you ride on. It's versatile and heavier but a
> reasonable compromise.
> AHH: fully lugged road bike with a low BB built for tires wider than 30mm.
> The ultra long chainstays means it's suitable for even rougher trails than
> the Roadini but might also mean it's harder to fly with. The 135mm rear
> wheel is strong enough to handle anything a MTB can. With good bike
> handling skills and 45mm tires this would be my choice for bikepacking
> (though I'm light enough the Roadini will serve well there).
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:39:03 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:
>
>> Oh yeah, the AHH doesn't have downtube shifter bosses, while the Roadini
>> does. Again, a minor consideration --- I'm happy with my downtube shifter
>> on my Roadini, but it wouldn't have killed me to go to bar-end shifters.
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:35:31 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:
>>
>>> The AHH has 50cm chainstays, which might make it hard to fit into my
>>> bike box for flying (I use a Trico-Ironcase). The AHH also takes 135mm rear
>>> wheels, while the wheels I had hanging in the garage were all 130mm wheels.
>>> Grant advised against cold setting an AHH. In exchange the Roadini has a
>>> 5mm higher BB, which I dislike (others claim you can't tell the difference
>>> but I can, from having ridden an 80mm drop touring bike for many years),
>>> but something I'm willing to trade. If my current custom touring bike
>>> fails, I'll go for a custom bike with the Roadini geometry but with an 80
>>> or even 85mm BB drop now that I'm unlikely to ride tires narrower than 28mm.
>>>
>>> That's pretty much it. The extra $400 the AHH cost might also make a
>>> difference if you're stretching your budget, but it wasn't a big
>>> consideration for me.
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:03 AM UTC-7 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>>>
 Can someone explain to me what would prompt a decision for a roadini
 over a Homer aside from price? I though the Homer was Rivs "zippy"
 offering. With the Roadeo being their fast offering. The road bike category
 at Riv is starting to get crowded between the Sam, Homer, Roadini and
 Roadeo. I know Riv calls the Sam a Hilli/Gravel bike, but coming from a
 modern gravel bike, and before that a Salsa Vaya, the Sam is definitely a
 road bike that happens to be tough and capable elsewhere. But a Road Bike
 when the day is done.

 On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:51:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> For some of us who have had back pain with more modern bikes
> Rivendells have always been a breath of fresh air. I started buying them 
> in
> 1997 and have not looked back, they made riding possible for me again.
>
> I do prefer the Rivs with the shorter for Riv  chainstays. Nice bikes
> for those of us who have issues with more aggressive geometries. For me 
> not
> koolaide but a practical   comfort.
>
> Glad your aluminum bike works for you.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 2:13 AM Nick Payne  wrote:
>
>> On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 2:43:06 pm UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a
>> companion to his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us
>> "people who've drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 
>>
>> I have Rivendell bikes, and they're nice bikes to ride. I just don't
>> think they're the be-all and end-all of bicycle design. What the OP seems
>> to be looking for in a bike is closer to what you and I both recommended.
>>
>> Nick Payne
>>
>> --
>>
> You received this message because 

Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Piaw Na]

Let me break down the road bike selection from Rivendell:

Sam: I refuse to consider this a road bike since it doesn't take sidepull 
calipers. :-) I've always hated both cantilever and v-brakes, having 
experienced many reliability issues with them (they're probably better now, 
but I still get PTSD from having them fall apart on me once and hours spent 
dealing with a heron that squealed like the proverbial stuck pig when 
descending major passes in the alps). I consider even disc brakes to be a 
better compromise if you need wider tires than a Tektro 559. And those 
squeal too just not as badly.
Roadeo: classic road bike using medium reach brakes  I've got a friend 
who got a Lynskey built up to match the geometry (Rivendell only had one 
demo Roadeo when he wanted to buy and the wait was such that a custom 
Lynskey would deliver faster) and he loves it. If you don't need more than 
35mm tires it's a great bike.
Roadini: gravelish bike with Tektro brakes that can take 42mm tires. The 
higher BB means you can't treat it like a MTB and never have a pedal strike 
no matter what trails you ride on. It's versatile and heavier but a 
reasonable compromise.
AHH: fully lugged road bike with a low BB built for tires wider than 30mm. 
The ultra long chainstays means it's suitable for even rougher trails than 
the Roadini but might also mean it's harder to fly with. The 135mm rear 
wheel is strong enough to handle anything a MTB can. With good bike 
handling skills and 45mm tires this would be my choice for bikepacking 
(though I'm light enough the Roadini will serve well there).

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:39:03 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:

> Oh yeah, the AHH doesn't have downtube shifter bosses, while the Roadini 
> does. Again, a minor consideration --- I'm happy with my downtube shifter 
> on my Roadini, but it wouldn't have killed me to go to bar-end shifters.
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:35:31 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:
>
>> The AHH has 50cm chainstays, which might make it hard to fit into my bike 
>> box for flying (I use a Trico-Ironcase). The AHH also takes 135mm rear 
>> wheels, while the wheels I had hanging in the garage were all 130mm wheels. 
>> Grant advised against cold setting an AHH. In exchange the Roadini has a 
>> 5mm higher BB, which I dislike (others claim you can't tell the difference 
>> but I can, from having ridden an 80mm drop touring bike for many years), 
>> but something I'm willing to trade. If my current custom touring bike 
>> fails, I'll go for a custom bike with the Roadini geometry but with an 80 
>> or even 85mm BB drop now that I'm unlikely to ride tires narrower than 28mm.
>>
>> That's pretty much it. The extra $400 the AHH cost might also make a 
>> difference if you're stretching your budget, but it wasn't a big 
>> consideration for me.
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:03 AM UTC-7 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>>
>>> Can someone explain to me what would prompt a decision for a roadini 
>>> over a Homer aside from price? I though the Homer was Rivs "zippy" 
>>> offering. With the Roadeo being their fast offering. The road bike category 
>>> at Riv is starting to get crowded between the Sam, Homer, Roadini and 
>>> Roadeo. I know Riv calls the Sam a Hilli/Gravel bike, but coming from a 
>>> modern gravel bike, and before that a Salsa Vaya, the Sam is definitely a 
>>> road bike that happens to be tough and capable elsewhere. But a Road Bike 
>>> when the day is done.
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:51:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>

 For some of us who have had back pain with more modern bikes Rivendells 
 have always been a breath of fresh air. I started buying them in 1997 and 
 have not looked back, they made riding possible for me again. 

 I do prefer the Rivs with the shorter for Riv  chainstays. Nice bikes 
 for those of us who have issues with more aggressive geometries. For me 
 not 
 koolaide but a practical   comfort. 

 Glad your aluminum bike works for you.



 On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 2:13 AM Nick Payne  wrote:

> On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 2:43:06 pm UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a 
> companion to his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us 
> "people who've drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 
>
> I have Rivendell bikes, and they're nice bikes to ride. I just don't 
> think they're the be-all and end-all of bicycle design. What the OP seems 
> to be looking for in a bike is closer to what you and I both recommended.
>
> Nick Payne
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Piaw Na]

Oh yeah, the AHH doesn't have downtube shifter bosses, while the Roadini 
does. Again, a minor consideration --- I'm happy with my downtube shifter 
on my Roadini, but it wouldn't have killed me to go to bar-end shifters.

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:35:31 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:

> The AHH has 50cm chainstays, which might make it hard to fit into my bike 
> box for flying (I use a Trico-Ironcase). The AHH also takes 135mm rear 
> wheels, while the wheels I had hanging in the garage were all 130mm wheels. 
> Grant advised against cold setting an AHH. In exchange the Roadini has a 
> 5mm higher BB, which I dislike (others claim you can't tell the difference 
> but I can, from having ridden an 80mm drop touring bike for many years), 
> but something I'm willing to trade. If my current custom touring bike 
> fails, I'll go for a custom bike with the Roadini geometry but with an 80 
> or even 85mm BB drop now that I'm unlikely to ride tires narrower than 28mm.
>
> That's pretty much it. The extra $400 the AHH cost might also make a 
> difference if you're stretching your budget, but it wasn't a big 
> consideration for me.
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:03 AM UTC-7 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>
>> Can someone explain to me what would prompt a decision for a roadini over 
>> a Homer aside from price? I though the Homer was Rivs "zippy" offering. 
>> With the Roadeo being their fast offering. The road bike category at Riv is 
>> starting to get crowded between the Sam, Homer, Roadini and Roadeo. I know 
>> Riv calls the Sam a Hilli/Gravel bike, but coming from a modern gravel 
>> bike, and before that a Salsa Vaya, the Sam is definitely a road bike that 
>> happens to be tough and capable elsewhere. But a Road Bike when the day is 
>> done.
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:51:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> For some of us who have had back pain with more modern bikes Rivendells 
>>> have always been a breath of fresh air. I started buying them in 1997 and 
>>> have not looked back, they made riding possible for me again. 
>>>
>>> I do prefer the Rivs with the shorter for Riv  chainstays. Nice bikes 
>>> for those of us who have issues with more aggressive geometries. For me not 
>>> koolaide but a practical   comfort. 
>>>
>>> Glad your aluminum bike works for you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 2:13 AM Nick Payne  wrote:
>>>
 On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 2:43:06 pm UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:

 Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a 
 companion to his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us 
 "people who've drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 

 I have Rivendell bikes, and they're nice bikes to ride. I just don't 
 think they're the be-all and end-all of bicycle design. What the OP seems 
 to be looking for in a bike is closer to what you and I both recommended.

 Nick Payne

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Piaw Na]

The AHH has 50cm chainstays, which might make it hard to fit into my bike 
box for flying (I use a Trico-Ironcase). The AHH also takes 135mm rear 
wheels, while the wheels I had hanging in the garage were all 130mm wheels. 
Grant advised against cold setting an AHH. In exchange the Roadini has a 
5mm higher BB, which I dislike (others claim you can't tell the difference 
but I can, from having ridden an 80mm drop touring bike for many years), 
but something I'm willing to trade. If my current custom touring bike 
fails, I'll go for a custom bike with the Roadini geometry but with an 80 
or even 85mm BB drop now that I'm unlikely to ride tires narrower than 28mm.

That's pretty much it. The extra $400 the AHH cost might also make a 
difference if you're stretching your budget, but it wasn't a big 
consideration for me.

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:03 AM UTC-7 Davey Two Shoes wrote:

> Can someone explain to me what would prompt a decision for a roadini over 
> a Homer aside from price? I though the Homer was Rivs "zippy" offering. 
> With the Roadeo being their fast offering. The road bike category at Riv is 
> starting to get crowded between the Sam, Homer, Roadini and Roadeo. I know 
> Riv calls the Sam a Hilli/Gravel bike, but coming from a modern gravel 
> bike, and before that a Salsa Vaya, the Sam is definitely a road bike that 
> happens to be tough and capable elsewhere. But a Road Bike when the day is 
> done.
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:51:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> For some of us who have had back pain with more modern bikes Rivendells 
>> have always been a breath of fresh air. I started buying them in 1997 and 
>> have not looked back, they made riding possible for me again. 
>>
>> I do prefer the Rivs with the shorter for Riv  chainstays. Nice bikes for 
>> those of us who have issues with more aggressive geometries. For me not 
>> koolaide but a practical   comfort. 
>>
>> Glad your aluminum bike works for you.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 2:13 AM Nick Payne  wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 2:43:06 pm UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a companion 
>>> to his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us "people who've 
>>> drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 
>>>
>>> I have Rivendell bikes, and they're nice bikes to ride. I just don't 
>>> think they're the be-all and end-all of bicycle design. What the OP seems 
>>> to be looking for in a bike is closer to what you and I both recommended.
>>>
>>> Nick Payne
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Davey Two Shoes]

Can someone explain to me what would prompt a decision for a roadini over a 
Homer aside from price? I though the Homer was Rivs "zippy" offering. With 
the Roadeo being their fast offering. The road bike category at Riv is 
starting to get crowded between the Sam, Homer, Roadini and Roadeo. I know 
Riv calls the Sam a Hilli/Gravel bike, but coming from a modern gravel 
bike, and before that a Salsa Vaya, the Sam is definitely a road bike that 
happens to be tough and capable elsewhere. But a Road Bike when the day is 
done.

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:51:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> For some of us who have had back pain with more modern bikes Rivendells 
> have always been a breath of fresh air. I started buying them in 1997 and 
> have not looked back, they made riding possible for me again. 
>
> I do prefer the Rivs with the shorter for Riv  chainstays. Nice bikes for 
> those of us who have issues with more aggressive geometries. For me not 
> koolaide but a practical   comfort. 
>
> Glad your aluminum bike works for you.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 2:13 AM Nick Payne  wrote:
>
>> On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 2:43:06 pm UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a companion 
>> to his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us "people who've 
>> drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 
>>
>> I have Rivendell bikes, and they're nice bikes to ride. I just don't 
>> think they're the be-all and end-all of bicycle design. What the OP seems 
>> to be looking for in a bike is closer to what you and I both recommended.
>>
>> Nick Payne
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[J S]

For some of us who have had back pain with more modern bikes Rivendells
have always been a breath of fresh air. I started buying them in 1997 and
have not looked back, they made riding possible for me again.

I do prefer the Rivs with the shorter for Riv  chainstays. Nice bikes for
those of us who have issues with more aggressive geometries. For me not
koolaide but a practical   comfort.

Glad your aluminum bike works for you.



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> On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 2:43:06 pm UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a companion
> to his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us "people who've
> drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 
>
> I have Rivendell bikes, and they're nice bikes to ride. I just don't think
> they're the be-all and end-all of bicycle design. What the OP seems to be
> looking for in a bike is closer to what you and I both recommended.
>
> Nick Payne
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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Nick Payne]

On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 2:43:06 pm UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:

Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a companion to 
his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us "people who've 
drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 

I have Rivendell bikes, and they're nice bikes to ride. I just don't think 
they're the be-all and end-all of bicycle design. What the OP seems to be 
looking for in a bike is closer to what you and I both recommended.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Joe Bernard]

Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a companion to 
his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us "people who've 
drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 

On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 8:48:27 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:

> I obviously haven't drunk the Kool-Aid:-)
> On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 10:26:52 am UTC+10 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> High BB, short chainstays, steep seat-tube angles, and disc brakes? 
>> That's as far away from the Roadini as you can get. Add in wireless 
>> shifting and I'm sorry, that's just not comparable to any Rivendell I've 
>> seen!
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:00:11 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> I've come to like modern aluminium frames - they're a far cry from the 
>>> rigid Cannondales of 25 years ago. I've been riding bikes for about half a 
>>> century, and have multiple lugged frames spanning that period (including a 
>>> custom Riv and a Bleriot), but I reckon that the Mason Definition frameset 
>>> that I recently built up as a fairly lightweight zippy machine is the best 
>>> riding bike I've ever owned. It can fit 35mm tyres - Conti GP Urban are 
>>> what I'm using, and has rack and mudguard mounts on the frame if you want 
>>> to fit those.
>>> [image: PXL_20230712_031843355.jpg]
>>>
>>> Nick Payne
>>>
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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Nick Payne]

I obviously haven't drunk the Kool-Aid:-)
On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 10:26:52 am UTC+10 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> High BB, short chainstays, steep seat-tube angles, and disc brakes? That's 
> as far away from the Roadini as you can get. Add in wireless shifting and 
> I'm sorry, that's just not comparable to any Rivendell I've seen!
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:00:11 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> I've come to like modern aluminium frames - they're a far cry from the 
>> rigid Cannondales of 25 years ago. I've been riding bikes for about half a 
>> century, and have multiple lugged frames spanning that period (including a 
>> custom Riv and a Bleriot), but I reckon that the Mason Definition frameset 
>> that I recently built up as a fairly lightweight zippy machine is the best 
>> riding bike I've ever owned. It can fit 35mm tyres - Conti GP Urban are 
>> what I'm using, and has rack and mudguard mounts on the frame if you want 
>> to fit those.
>> [image: PXL_20230712_031843355.jpg]
>>
>> Nick Payne
>>
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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Piaw Na]

High BB, short chainstays, steep seat-tube angles, and disc brakes? That's 
as far away from the Roadini as you can get. Add in wireless shifting and 
I'm sorry, that's just not comparable to any Rivendell I've seen!

On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:00:11 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:

> I've come to like modern aluminium frames - they're a far cry from the 
> rigid Cannondales of 25 years ago. I've been riding bikes for about half a 
> century, and have multiple lugged frames spanning that period (including a 
> custom Riv and a Bleriot), but I reckon that the Mason Definition frameset 
> that I recently built up as a fairly lightweight zippy machine is the best 
> riding bike I've ever owned. It can fit 35mm tyres - Conti GP Urban are 
> what I'm using, and has rack and mudguard mounts on the frame if you want 
> to fit those.
> [image: PXL_20230712_031843355.jpg]
>
> Nick Payne
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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Andrew Turner]

2 cents: don't get carried away with frame weight, especially when 
comparing steel frames. I'd focus more on geometry. I wanted my Roadini 
build to scratch the same itch but the long wheelbase didn't align with my 
idea of a zippy, skinny-tire road bike. 
Conversely, I had the opportunity to purchase a 15lb carbon road bike, and 
I thought, now THIS is the chance to see if weight really does make a 
difference, and it does...when you pick the thing up...When riding, I 
really don't notice a difference besides slghtly sketchier descending.

Stick with your gut and upcycle a cool 90s frame! And avoid weight weenie 
tendencies when it comes to steel bikes. 

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 4:53:35 PM UTC-5 Valerie Yates wrote:

> I am not in the market for a Roadini but I love reading all these stories 
> and comparisons. Very fun topic. 
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:46:37 AM UTC-6 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Hello Peter,
>>
>> Wow, an '81 Sequoia! Those are very rare since only about 700 were made 
>> by hand. In '82 is when production ramped up. Please post a picture if you 
>> can.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:58:26 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Very nice build, Bones!  B) 
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:05:30 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>>>
 I started with an Appaloosa, which I built as a workhorse to ferry my 
 kids around. I wanted something without all the racks and utility so I 
 purchased a Hillborne. Great bike, but I found it too similar to my 
 Appaloosa so I moved it along and bought a Roadini. It was exactly what I 
 was looking for. No, it is not a delicate, lightweight bike. That is to my 
 benefit, as I can do stupid things to it without worrying about it being 
 damaged. It is a Rivendell, and it rides like all of my other Rivendells. 
 It currently resides at my parents' house, and I make a point to ride it 
 whenever I visit. I love that bike.

 [image: roadini2.jpg]

 Bones

 On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:49:48 AM UTC-4 chasenl...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> [image: IMG_4997.jpeg]
>
> I am about 200 miles into my orange-ass roadini and I love it. Set up 
> with a23s, dirt drops, cavas and an analog 30mm stem. It is not flexy and 
> light like my rb 2. It is no sports car. Its like a benz, smooth and 
> comfy. 
> I have a 90 stumpjumper (that I’m convinced could be the worlds greatest 
> bicycle), and the roadini is v similar, minus canti post, add practical 
> geometry. It is definitely stout, which makes the lack of rack mounts 
> annoying, but its not t stout. To me, it feels like a road tourer, 
> not 
> a zippy speed machine. I think a crust mallochio or lightning bolt might 
> be 
> lighter/flexier/zippier. 
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:03:16 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> This paragraph is from Will's recent email... If this sounds like 
>> what you're looking for then I say buy one. 
>>
>> "Yes, the Roadini is heavier than a carbon frame, but, and even 
>> though it's a cliche phrase at this point, *it rides light* and I 
>> don't care if I'm two minutes slower than my alternate-universe self who 
>> rides a carbon bike. I still feel fast on it, and I'm not racing anybody 
>> anyway, even myself. My bike priorities are safety, comfort, 
>> reliability, 
>> and the ability to stretch the bike beyond it's stated purpose. Most of 
>> you 
>> aren't able to come test ride one before you buy, but those that do 
>> invariably say something like, "it's faster than I thought it would 
>> be!". 
>> It's always been more about the rider than the frame, but I know what 
>> they 
>> mean."
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:14:40 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen 
>>> at Riv and Blue Lug.
>>>
>>> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several 
>>> iterations of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been 
>>> really fun. Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, 
>>> and 
>>> is an excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently 
>>> my 
>>> only bike!
>>>
>>> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and 
>>> those worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've 
>>> heard 
>>> that the Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
>>> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this 
>>> group.
>>>
>>> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is 
>>> going to scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike 
>>> that 
>>> can hold 33s and actually feel some performance?

[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Valerie Yates]

I am not in the market for a Roadini but I love reading all these stories 
and comparisons. Very fun topic. 

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:46:37 AM UTC-6 JohnS wrote:

> Hello Peter,
>
> Wow, an '81 Sequoia! Those are very rare since only about 700 were made by 
> hand. In '82 is when production ramped up. Please post a picture if you can.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:58:26 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Very nice build, Bones!  B) 
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:05:30 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> I started with an Appaloosa, which I built as a workhorse to ferry my 
>>> kids around. I wanted something without all the racks and utility so I 
>>> purchased a Hillborne. Great bike, but I found it too similar to my 
>>> Appaloosa so I moved it along and bought a Roadini. It was exactly what I 
>>> was looking for. No, it is not a delicate, lightweight bike. That is to my 
>>> benefit, as I can do stupid things to it without worrying about it being 
>>> damaged. It is a Rivendell, and it rides like all of my other Rivendells. 
>>> It currently resides at my parents' house, and I make a point to ride it 
>>> whenever I visit. I love that bike.
>>>
>>> [image: roadini2.jpg]
>>>
>>> Bones
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:49:48 AM UTC-4 chasenl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_4997.jpeg]

 I am about 200 miles into my orange-ass roadini and I love it. Set up 
 with a23s, dirt drops, cavas and an analog 30mm stem. It is not flexy and 
 light like my rb 2. It is no sports car. Its like a benz, smooth and 
 comfy. 
 I have a 90 stumpjumper (that I’m convinced could be the worlds greatest 
 bicycle), and the roadini is v similar, minus canti post, add practical 
 geometry. It is definitely stout, which makes the lack of rack mounts 
 annoying, but its not t stout. To me, it feels like a road tourer, not 
 a zippy speed machine. I think a crust mallochio or lightning bolt might 
 be 
 lighter/flexier/zippier. 
 On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:03:16 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> This paragraph is from Will's recent email... If this sounds like what 
> you're looking for then I say buy one. 
>
> "Yes, the Roadini is heavier than a carbon frame, but, and even though 
> it's a cliche phrase at this point, *it rides light* and I don't care 
> if I'm two minutes slower than my alternate-universe self who rides a 
> carbon bike. I still feel fast on it, and I'm not racing anybody anyway, 
> even myself. My bike priorities are safety, comfort, reliability, and the 
> ability to stretch the bike beyond it's stated purpose. Most of you 
> aren't 
> able to come test ride one before you buy, but those that do invariably 
> say 
> something like, "it's faster than I thought it would be!". It's always 
> been 
> more about the rider than the frame, but I know what they mean."
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:14:40 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen 
>> at Riv and Blue Lug.
>>
>> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several 
>> iterations of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been 
>> really fun. Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, 
>> and 
>> is an excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently 
>> my 
>> only bike!
>>
>> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and 
>> those worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've heard 
>> that the Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
>> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this 
>> group.
>>
>> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going 
>> to scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can 
>> hold 33s and actually feel some performance?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[JohnS]

Hello Peter,

Wow, an '81 Sequoia! Those are very rare since only about 700 were made by 
hand. In '82 is when production ramped up. Please post a picture if you can.

Thanks,
John


On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:58:26 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Very nice build, Bones!  B) 
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:05:30 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>
>> I started with an Appaloosa, which I built as a workhorse to ferry my 
>> kids around. I wanted something without all the racks and utility so I 
>> purchased a Hillborne. Great bike, but I found it too similar to my 
>> Appaloosa so I moved it along and bought a Roadini. It was exactly what I 
>> was looking for. No, it is not a delicate, lightweight bike. That is to my 
>> benefit, as I can do stupid things to it without worrying about it being 
>> damaged. It is a Rivendell, and it rides like all of my other Rivendells. 
>> It currently resides at my parents' house, and I make a point to ride it 
>> whenever I visit. I love that bike.
>>
>> [image: roadini2.jpg]
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:49:48 AM UTC-4 chasenl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_4997.jpeg]
>>>
>>> I am about 200 miles into my orange-ass roadini and I love it. Set up 
>>> with a23s, dirt drops, cavas and an analog 30mm stem. It is not flexy and 
>>> light like my rb 2. It is no sports car. Its like a benz, smooth and comfy. 
>>> I have a 90 stumpjumper (that I’m convinced could be the worlds greatest 
>>> bicycle), and the roadini is v similar, minus canti post, add practical 
>>> geometry. It is definitely stout, which makes the lack of rack mounts 
>>> annoying, but its not t stout. To me, it feels like a road tourer, not 
>>> a zippy speed machine. I think a crust mallochio or lightning bolt might be 
>>> lighter/flexier/zippier. 
>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:03:16 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 This paragraph is from Will's recent email... If this sounds like what 
 you're looking for then I say buy one. 

 "Yes, the Roadini is heavier than a carbon frame, but, and even though 
 it's a cliche phrase at this point, *it rides light* and I don't care 
 if I'm two minutes slower than my alternate-universe self who rides a 
 carbon bike. I still feel fast on it, and I'm not racing anybody anyway, 
 even myself. My bike priorities are safety, comfort, reliability, and the 
 ability to stretch the bike beyond it's stated purpose. Most of you aren't 
 able to come test ride one before you buy, but those that do invariably 
 say 
 something like, "it's faster than I thought it would be!". It's always 
 been 
 more about the rider than the frame, but I know what they mean."

 Doug


 On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:14:40 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen 
> at Riv and Blue Lug.
>
> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several 
> iterations of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been 
> really fun. Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, and 
> is an excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently 
> my 
> only bike!
>
> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and 
> those worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've heard 
> that the Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this group.
>
> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going 
> to scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can 
> hold 33s and actually feel some performance?
>


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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Eric Marth]

Very nice build, Bones!  B) 

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:05:30 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:

> I started with an Appaloosa, which I built as a workhorse to ferry my kids 
> around. I wanted something without all the racks and utility so I purchased 
> a Hillborne. Great bike, but I found it too similar to my Appaloosa so I 
> moved it along and bought a Roadini. It was exactly what I was looking for. 
> No, it is not a delicate, lightweight bike. That is to my benefit, as I can 
> do stupid things to it without worrying about it being damaged. It is a 
> Rivendell, and it rides like all of my other Rivendells. It currently 
> resides at my parents' house, and I make a point to ride it whenever I 
> visit. I love that bike.
>
> [image: roadini2.jpg]
>
> Bones
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:49:48 AM UTC-4 chasenl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_4997.jpeg]
>>
>> I am about 200 miles into my orange-ass roadini and I love it. Set up 
>> with a23s, dirt drops, cavas and an analog 30mm stem. It is not flexy and 
>> light like my rb 2. It is no sports car. Its like a benz, smooth and comfy. 
>> I have a 90 stumpjumper (that I’m convinced could be the worlds greatest 
>> bicycle), and the roadini is v similar, minus canti post, add practical 
>> geometry. It is definitely stout, which makes the lack of rack mounts 
>> annoying, but its not t stout. To me, it feels like a road tourer, not 
>> a zippy speed machine. I think a crust mallochio or lightning bolt might be 
>> lighter/flexier/zippier. 
>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:03:16 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> This paragraph is from Will's recent email... If this sounds like what 
>>> you're looking for then I say buy one. 
>>>
>>> "Yes, the Roadini is heavier than a carbon frame, but, and even though 
>>> it's a cliche phrase at this point, *it rides light* and I don't care 
>>> if I'm two minutes slower than my alternate-universe self who rides a 
>>> carbon bike. I still feel fast on it, and I'm not racing anybody anyway, 
>>> even myself. My bike priorities are safety, comfort, reliability, and the 
>>> ability to stretch the bike beyond it's stated purpose. Most of you aren't 
>>> able to come test ride one before you buy, but those that do invariably say 
>>> something like, "it's faster than I thought it would be!". It's always been 
>>> more about the rider than the frame, but I know what they mean."
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:14:40 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen at 
 Riv and Blue Lug.

 I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several 
 iterations of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been 
 really fun. Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, and 
 is an excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently my 
 only bike!

 Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and 
 those worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've heard 
 that the Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
 ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this group.

 So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going 
 to scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can 
 hold 33s and actually feel some performance?

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Tim Bantham]

I think we all have bikes that we regret letting go of. I had a custom 
Gunnar Sport. They called it made to measure so it wasn't 100% custom but 
it was fit to me where it counts. This was a beautiful tig welded steel 
frame with an Enve fork. It accepted 32s and rode like a dream. I ended up 
having a stuck seatpost on this bike and the frame ultimately was ruined 
when I had a friend take it to a machine shop in attempt to extract the 
post. This is a bike I wish I still had. If you can find one out there I 
would second the recommendation if a Gunnar suits you. 

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:26:16 PM UTC-4 Michael Hammer wrote:

> I was going to hold back adding to this thread but now can't resist.  I 
> was the original owner of a 92 RB-1 and sent it off to a new owner about 4 
> months ago.  It was light, "jumped" when I got on it (consider I'm 74 when 
> reading jump), climbed like crazy and handled smoothly and predictably.  
> Largest tire it would take was a 28.  I got a Roadini from the last batch 
> in order to get wider tires and built it up with the cockpit, drive train 
> and wheels (now with 38 Gravelking slicks) from the RB-1.  It is smooth, 
> agile and handles exactly like a Grant bike.  It feels noticeably heavier 
> than the RB-1 when lifting it, doesn't feel heavy on the move but doesn't 
> climb as well.  On a curvy, small rises, downhill switchbacks bike trail 
> for 10 - 15 miles any difference in time is lost in the wind conditions.  I 
> had a very early Waterford All Rounder that always felt slow compared to 
> the RB-1; the Roadini doesn't.  Then a friend made a permanent loan of a 
> Gunnar Crosshairs cross bike with a comparable build to the Roadini.  Aside 
> from the quick handling and high bottom bracket geometry, the frame is 
> great; snappy and climbs and fits 38s.  This is my first and only 
> experience with a cross bike.  I second the suggestion above to consider a 
> Gunnar road sport or Waterford.  If a Gunnar road bike had similar comfort, 
> handling and tire size to the Roadini I'd take it in a heartbeat.  But, it 
> is at least 50% more expensive than the Roadini and Gunnar/Waterford are 
> shutting down.  My wife has a Black Mountain Road v2 which is a really nice 
> bike and fits 32s and maybe 33.3s according to Mike Varley.  But, he 
> doesn't make them anymore.  My wife's is too small to really ride, but felt 
> great and RB-1 like doing loops on the driveway.  And, about as light when 
> lifting into the van.  Good luck.
>
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 2:55:06 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Saluki/Bleriot were 650B bikes, not 700c bikes. Wheel size makes a 
>> world of difference to me.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 2:51 PM J S  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a question regarding the Roadini vs. the old Saluki and Bleriot 
>>> bikes. I wonder how similar it is to these? I have a Sam and found a Saluki 
>>> in my size so sold my Bleriot. I am not a fan of the lng chainstays, so 
>>> the Sam works perfectly for someone like me. I have fat 48mm tires on it 
>>> and 42’s on the Saluki. Speed is a non issue or will be when my knees let 
>>> me ride again. As I get older a go fast bike would be at the bottom of my 
>>> list, but I did love my old go fast bikes when I was much younger. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:14:40 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen at 
 Riv and Blue Lug.

 I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several 
 iterations of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been 
 really fun. Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, and 
 is an excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently my 
 only bike!

 Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and 
 those worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've heard 
 that the Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
 ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this group.

 So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going 
 to scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can 
 hold 33s and actually feel some performance?

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Michael Hammer]

I was going to hold back adding to this thread but now can't resist.  I was 
the original owner of a 92 RB-1 and sent it off to a new owner about 4 
months ago.  It was light, "jumped" when I got on it (consider I'm 74 when 
reading jump), climbed like crazy and handled smoothly and predictably.  
Largest tire it would take was a 28.  I got a Roadini from the last batch 
in order to get wider tires and built it up with the cockpit, drive train 
and wheels (now with 38 Gravelking slicks) from the RB-1.  It is smooth, 
agile and handles exactly like a Grant bike.  It feels noticeably heavier 
than the RB-1 when lifting it, doesn't feel heavy on the move but doesn't 
climb as well.  On a curvy, small rises, downhill switchbacks bike trail 
for 10 - 15 miles any difference in time is lost in the wind conditions.  I 
had a very early Waterford All Rounder that always felt slow compared to 
the RB-1; the Roadini doesn't.  Then a friend made a permanent loan of a 
Gunnar Crosshairs cross bike with a comparable build to the Roadini.  Aside 
from the quick handling and high bottom bracket geometry, the frame is 
great; snappy and climbs and fits 38s.  This is my first and only 
experience with a cross bike.  I second the suggestion above to consider a 
Gunnar road sport or Waterford.  If a Gunnar road bike had similar comfort, 
handling and tire size to the Roadini I'd take it in a heartbeat.  But, it 
is at least 50% more expensive than the Roadini and Gunnar/Waterford are 
shutting down.  My wife has a Black Mountain Road v2 which is a really nice 
bike and fits 32s and maybe 33.3s according to Mike Varley.  But, he 
doesn't make them anymore.  My wife's is too small to really ride, but felt 
great and RB-1 like doing loops on the driveway.  And, about as light when 
lifting into the van.  Good luck.

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 2:55:06 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> The Saluki/Bleriot were 650B bikes, not 700c bikes. Wheel size makes a 
> world of difference to me.
>
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 2:51 PM J S  wrote:
>
>> I have a question regarding the Roadini vs. the old Saluki and Bleriot 
>> bikes. I wonder how similar it is to these? I have a Sam and found a Saluki 
>> in my size so sold my Bleriot. I am not a fan of the lng chainstays, so 
>> the Sam works perfectly for someone like me. I have fat 48mm tires on it 
>> and 42’s on the Saluki. Speed is a non issue or will be when my knees let 
>> me ride again. As I get older a go fast bike would be at the bottom of my 
>> list, but I did love my old go fast bikes when I was much younger. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:14:40 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen at 
>>> Riv and Blue Lug.
>>>
>>> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several iterations 
>>> of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been really fun. 
>>> Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, and is an 
>>> excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently my only 
>>> bike!
>>>
>>> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and 
>>> those worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've heard 
>>> that the Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
>>> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this group.
>>>
>>> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going to 
>>> scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can hold 
>>> 33s and actually feel some performance?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[藍俊彪]

The Saluki/Bleriot were 650B bikes, not 700c bikes. Wheel size makes a
world of difference to me.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 2:51 PM J S  wrote:

> I have a question regarding the Roadini vs. the old Saluki and Bleriot
> bikes. I wonder how similar it is to these? I have a Sam and found a Saluki
> in my size so sold my Bleriot. I am not a fan of the lng chainstays, so
> the Sam works perfectly for someone like me. I have fat 48mm tires on it
> and 42’s on the Saluki. Speed is a non issue or will be when my knees let
> me ride again. As I get older a go fast bike would be at the bottom of my
> list, but I did love my old go fast bikes when I was much younger.
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:14:40 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen at
>> Riv and Blue Lug.
>>
>> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several iterations
>> of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been really fun.
>> Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, and is an
>> excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently my only
>> bike!
>>
>> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and those
>> worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've heard that the
>> Roadini does NOT offer that kind of
>> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this group.
>>
>> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going to
>> scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can hold
>> 33s and actually feel some performance?
>>
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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[J S]

I have a question regarding the Roadini vs. the old Saluki and Bleriot 
bikes. I wonder how similar it is to these? I have a Sam and found a Saluki 
in my size so sold my Bleriot. I am not a fan of the lng chainstays, so 
the Sam works perfectly for someone like me. I have fat 48mm tires on it 
and 42’s on the Saluki. Speed is a non issue or will be when my knees let 
me ride again. As I get older a go fast bike would be at the bottom of my 
list, but I did love my old go fast bikes when I was much younger. 

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:14:40 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen at 
> Riv and Blue Lug.
>
> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several iterations 
> of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been really fun. 
> Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, and is an 
> excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently my only 
> bike!
>
> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and those 
> worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've heard that the 
> Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this group.
>
> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going to 
> scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can hold 
> 33s and actually feel some performance?
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[exliontamer]

An RB-1 is a relatively heavy bike especially in 59cm & up & I wouldn't be 
surprised if the Roadini is the same or possibly lighter. That said, I 
don't think that's a bad thing depending on the frame size, your personal 
pedaling style/power, weight, etc. When I was focused on only riding fast I 
had a 59cm frame with EL/OS tubing that was very thin walled, flexy, & 
light. I'm 6'1" & weighed 160lbs at the time & that bike was too whippy for 
me personally. It took getting a '93 RB-1 (62cm wouldn't fit a 32 btw)  to 
make me realize that I preferred a stiffer frame...also my average speed 
increased even though the bike didn't "plane" & was 2 lbs heavier. 

I'm glad Jan & that crew are doing their thing but the message can get 
tedious. I'm sure it works for some people but a lot of it seems to be 
presented in a one size fits all way. All that said there are a lot of 90s 
steel frames that will fit a 28. Plenty of affordable lugged Bianchis that 
will be lighter and less expensive than the RB-1. I also second the used 
aluminum recommendation. Even the new Cannondale Optimo has clearance for 
32s and, as long as a carbon fork doesn't freak you out, starts at 1k for a 
complete bike that's solidly spec'd and has rim brakes. 
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:27:12 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> It's sacrilege to say but if you want a zippy road bike as a compliment to 
> what you already have - a steel Rivendell road bike - for $1000 or less you 
> can scoop up an aluminum Trek/Cannondale/Specialized/Giant off Craigslist 
> and probably have a lot of fun. And you can test ride it! 
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:14:40 PM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen at 
>> Riv and Blue Lug.
>>
>> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several iterations 
>> of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been really fun. 
>> Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, and is an 
>> excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently my only 
>> bike!
>>
>> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and those 
>> worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've heard that the 
>> Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
>> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this group.
>>
>> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going to 
>> scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can hold 
>> 33s and actually feel some performance?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Joe Bernard]

It's sacrilege to say but if you want a zippy road bike as a compliment to 
what you already have - a steel Rivendell road bike - for $1000 or less you 
can scoop up an aluminum Trek/Cannondale/Specialized/Giant off Craigslist 
and probably have a lot of fun. And you can test ride it! 

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:14:40 PM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen at 
> Riv and Blue Lug.
>
> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several iterations 
> of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been really fun. 
> Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, and is an 
> excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently my only 
> bike!
>
> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and those 
> worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've heard that the 
> Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this group.
>
> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going to 
> scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can hold 
> 33s and actually feel some performance?
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Piaw Na]

A drop bar Roadini with 25mm tires will feel great. With 32mm tires it's 
not going to feel like a 1993 Bridgestone RB-1 with 700x23 tires! But you 
already knew that. I don't think there's anything disappointing about the 
Roadini's ride. I think the extra long chainstay takes away from the "stick 
up your butt" feel of shorter chainstay bikes but that's a feature not a 
bug. I think you cannot compare anything with modern sized tires to a road 
bike that was optimized for 23mm tires way back when. Now if you're looking 
for lightweight you shouldn't be looking at a Rivendell.

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:14:40 PM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen at 
> Riv and Blue Lug.
>
> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several iterations 
> of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been really fun. 
> Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, and is an 
> excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently my only 
> bike!
>
> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and those 
> worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've heard that the 
> Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this group.
>
> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going to 
> scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can hold 
> 33s and actually feel some performance?
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Brenton Eastman]

Yeah, I'm leaning towards an RB-1 or something similar. 

Swap in some Noodles and a reasonable stem, ~30mm tires, and try it out. 
Definitely less risky than $2500 for a new bike from Riv.

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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Eric Marth]

Over on the iBOB forum there's some discussion from time to time of how the 
Roadini and the Ram are overbuilt and don't have the performance and 
response characteristics typical of lively road frames. I myself haven't 
ridden one, this is a take I've observed time and time again from others. 

I'm currently looking out for a springy lightweight road bike myself that 
fits a 32mm tire. I'm not considering any past or present frames from 
Rivendell. I recently started a thread on iBOB asking about old plush 
frames that fit a 700x32mm tire. You can check it out here, but you might 
need to be a list member to view: 
https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/gvwRER6T3JE

Compared to the 90s road bikes you have in mind it's unlikely a Roadini 
will feel the same. I know it might not be practical but I'd say the best 
way to see if the Roadini is right for you is to test ride one for 
yourself! I do love the new Sergio Green. 

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:03:16 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> This paragraph is from Will's recent email... If this sounds like what 
> you're looking for then I say buy one. 
>
> "Yes, the Roadini is heavier than a carbon frame, but, and even though 
> it's a cliche phrase at this point, *it rides light* and I don't care if 
> I'm two minutes slower than my alternate-universe self who rides a carbon 
> bike. I still feel fast on it, and I'm not racing anybody anyway, even 
> myself. My bike priorities are safety, comfort, reliability, and the 
> ability to stretch the bike beyond it's stated purpose. Most of you aren't 
> able to come test ride one before you buy, but those that do invariably say 
> something like, "it's faster than I thought it would be!". It's always been 
> more about the rider than the frame, but I know what they mean."
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:14:40 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen at 
>> Riv and Blue Lug.
>>
>> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several iterations 
>> of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been really fun. 
>> Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, and is an 
>> excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently my only 
>> bike!
>>
>> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and those 
>> worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've heard that the 
>> Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
>> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this group.
>>
>> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going to 
>> scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can hold 
>> 33s and actually feel some performance?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Brenton Eastman]

I've read everything Riv Staff has written on the Roadini and I believe 
they are being honest. Lot's of folks here though, have said it's 
underwhelming. 

The geometry is remarkably similar to the Hillborne and I guess I don't 
know if it makes sense. 

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:03:16 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> This paragraph is from Will's recent email... If this sounds like what 
> you're looking for then I say buy one. 
>
> "Yes, the Roadini is heavier than a carbon frame, but, and even though 
> it's a cliche phrase at this point, *it rides light* and I don't care if 
> I'm two minutes slower than my alternate-universe self who rides a carbon 
> bike. I still feel fast on it, and I'm not racing anybody anyway, even 
> myself. My bike priorities are safety, comfort, reliability, and the 
> ability to stretch the bike beyond it's stated purpose. Most of you aren't 
> able to come test ride one before you buy, but those that do invariably say 
> something like, "it's faster than I thought it would be!". It's always been 
> more about the rider than the frame, but I know what they mean."
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:14:40 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen at 
>> Riv and Blue Lug.
>>
>> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several iterations 
>> of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been really fun. 
>> Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, and is an 
>> excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently my only 
>> bike!
>>
>> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and those 
>> worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've heard that the 
>> Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
>> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this group.
>>
>> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going to 
>> scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can hold 
>> 33s and actually feel some performance?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Doug H.]

This paragraph is from Will's recent email... If this sounds like what 
you're looking for then I say buy one. 

"Yes, the Roadini is heavier than a carbon frame, but, and even though it's 
a cliche phrase at this point, *it rides light* and I don't care if I'm two 
minutes slower than my alternate-universe self who rides a carbon bike. I 
still feel fast on it, and I'm not racing anybody anyway, even myself. My 
bike priorities are safety, comfort, reliability, and the ability to 
stretch the bike beyond it's stated purpose. Most of you aren't able to 
come test ride one before you buy, but those that do invariably say 
something like, "it's faster than I thought it would be!". It's always been 
more about the rider than the frame, but I know what they mean."

Doug


On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:14:40 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen at 
> Riv and Blue Lug.
>
> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several iterations 
> of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been really fun. 
> Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, and is an 
> excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently my only 
> bike!
>
> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and those 
> worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've heard that the 
> Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this group.
>
> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going to 
> scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can hold 
> 33s and actually feel some performance?
>

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