Re: [RE-wrenches] ConnectDER

2015-05-26 Thread Dave Click
I have had two of these on my house (I upgraded my system, so had to get a larger model) and I really like them. Great guys at the company and great product. Major issue is that most utilities don't have a blanket allowance for meter collars like this one, so you may end up spending a fair

Re: [RE-wrenches] Working Space

2015-05-13 Thread Dave Click
I learned in a Xantrex GT training (way back) that their 36 bottom clearance requirement was to avoid [most] lawn sprinklers, so that may be the case here too. I'd still plan for it to be high enough to avoid any basement flooding and to remain easy to access. May be worth discussing with SMA

Re: [RE-wrenches] Wire protection for ground mount

2015-04-17 Thread Dave Click
I think someone here long ago recommended solarscrim.com; when I recommended it to three contractors I heard: 1) awesome, I just bought some and I'll use this on every project! 2) too expensive, I'm getting some tennis court screening on my own and doing it myself. 3) too expensive, I'm

Re: [RE-wrenches] How can I calculate ROI when the kWh rate varies through the day?

2015-04-08 Thread Dave Click
SAM is what you're looking for: https://sam.nrel.gov/ I didn't have much luck last time I tried to import TOU utility data, but you can enter your parameters manually if the auto-import doesn't work for you. Dave On 2015/4/8 16:15, Mick Abraham wrote: Hello, Mechanix~ A client requested a

Re: [RE-wrenches] TL Inverters Rapid Shutdown

2015-03-10 Thread Dave Click
All, please excuse the late addition to the thread, but I just noticed that SMA has a PDF up describing their Rapid Shutdown solution. I think it's just been uploaded in the last few weeks, so in case you hadn't seen it:

Re: [RE-wrenches] 300W 72 cell micro inverters

2015-02-10 Thread Dave Click
Regarding the clipping, which the power electronics guys would rather I call power limiting... To be clear, Longer 100% production around noon (implied in that image that this is somehow beneficial) means this system could have produced more energy but didn't because the inverter was too

Re: [RE-wrenches] How Is Rapid Shut-Down Not A Farse...

2015-02-05 Thread Dave Click
Mark- 690.56(C) provides the placard you're looking for and 690.56(B) tells the first responder where that 690.12 switch is, right? For 2017 there are a couple of proposals out there. One is trying to better educate that first responder (quickly!) as to what hazards exist. Another is

Re: [RE-wrenches] Interconnection with Generator

2014-10-28 Thread Dave Click
The inverter to generator ratio is entirely the designer's call and comes into play for large generators (for residential systems as mentioned in earlier replies, it's a bad idea). Interconnecting in spot networks in dense urban areas has a similar issue in that the distribution system can't

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC combiners

2014-10-24 Thread Dave Click
Bill, typically inverters have a max OCPD that can be installed on their output, and these sizes are generally not large enough to accommodate two same-model inverters. And manuals often note that you need to have a dedicated OCPD anyway. At least if I were ever to double-up two inverters on a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Mounting height

2014-10-23 Thread Dave Click
I believe that I was told in a 2005-ish Xantrex GT training that their minimum clearance (~30) requirement came from the need to be above lawn sprinklers. I can't remember offhand seeing this reason given in any recent manual, so any bottom clearances required in the manual may apply to you

Re: [RE-wrenches] Wire management devices

2014-10-12 Thread Dave Click
I think that someone on this list recommended Solar Scrim a while back to make the conductors no longer readily accessible after they're supported; two options, depending on how picky the QA inspector is. http://www.solarscrim.com/ DKC On 2014/10/12 10:55, Christopher Warfel wrote: I looked

Re: [RE-wrenches] TL Inverters Rapid Shutdown

2014-10-09 Thread Dave Click
There is some pressure on NM specifically to postpone adoption of 690.12 until more products are available, so that may help you out. To my knowledge, micro-inverters don't need to comply with 705.12(D)(6) since there are no suitable products available [90.4]. Equipment does need to be listed,

Re: [RE-wrenches] TL Inverters Rapid Shutdown

2014-10-09 Thread Dave Click
And... after seeing boB's email I realize that my last sentence is incorrect given the existence of the MNPVHV8-DLTL-3R for exactly this purpose. DKC On 2014/10/9 15:29, Dave Click wrote: There is some pressure on NM specifically to postpone adoption of 690.12 until more products

Re: [RE-wrenches] TL inverter with long DC Feeder

2014-10-07 Thread Dave Click
William, Just to pile on here, if you're running 4 pairs of low-voltage dc for 400' you may be better off just sticking the inverters right there at the array and making the long run as 240Vac. #2s on each inverter output (22A?) would work, keeping voltage drop to 1.3%. If you choose to

Re: [RE-wrenches] Modules over vents

2014-09-24 Thread Dave Click
Flipping through the '04 plumbing code I see a few slopes called out (1/4 per 1' for fixture vents, 1 per 1' for circuit vents, 1/2 per 1' for combination drain/vent...). Fixture vents have a maximum distance of a few feet from fixture trap to vent, but I don't think this prevents you from

Re: [RE-wrenches] Rapid shutdown questions

2014-08-29 Thread Dave Click
While I share Robin's optimism, I should also note the NEC 2017 690.12 committee referred to is not the code making panel. While it does have (at least) one firefighter representative among a majority of PV industry personnel, there's no guarantee that the Code Making Panel approves this

Re: [RE-wrenches] Batteries in a dwelling - Venting Concorde AGMs

2014-07-29 Thread Dave Click
I don't have that reference, but I believe that IFC 608 only comes into play with large banks with 50+ gallons of electrolyte. On 2014/7/29, 14:10, Glenn Burt wrote: Also look to see if the fire code in your state has additional restrictions. In New York Stat, the 2010 Fire Code contains

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sunny Island retrofit

2014-07-03 Thread Dave Click
Mac, that Island interconnects with a max 70A 1P breaker (6.7kW continuous), so unless they have a constant critical load draw or the Fronius is massively oversized, you probably don't want to AC couple the Fronius. The 5048 is also able to output a continuous 5000W only when it's cooler than

Re: [RE-wrenches] ASP Inverters

2014-06-30 Thread Dave Click
Jason, I think they were re-branded Eaton inverters. Unlike the modules, they were actually UL listed... On 2014/6/30, 16:13, Jason Szumlanski wrote: Does anyone know who manufactured the PV250 inverters from ASP before they went under? Are they private labeled inverters manufactured by

Re: [RE-wrenches] Rapid shutdown for pole mounts

2014-06-27 Thread Dave Click
Thanks to Nick for catching a misstatement in my email, corrected below in *bold*. I was trying to make a general statement out of his specific situation. On 2014/6/26, 10:20, Dave Click wrote: NEC says 10' from the array, defined as A mechanically integrated assembly of modules or panels

Re: [RE-wrenches] Rapid shutdown for pole mounts

2014-06-26 Thread Dave Click
NEC says 10' from the array, defined as A mechanically integrated assembly of modules or panels with a support structure and foundation, tracker, and other components, as required, to form a direct-current power-producing unit. 70HB14_CH00_FM_pi_xii.pdf I take this to mean that the array

Re: [RE-wrenches] Racking System - Identification Help

2014-06-26 Thread Dave Click
As an update- the system used at this install turned out to be a currently-available product called SolAttach: http://www.solattach.com/ On 2014/6/3, 11:11, Dave Click wrote: Jason, thanks for the comment! I agree that systems could connect to just sheathing and stay on the roof- I think

Re: [RE-wrenches] Combining Multiple Inverters

2014-06-26 Thread Dave Click
Corey, The line of reasoning is faulty. It's 705.12(D)(1). Micro-inverters are the exception because they are specially listed to share a breaker. As for the other inverters, doubling them up on a single breaker / disconnect probably goes against their installation instructions [110.3(B)]

Re: [RE-wrenches] Racking System - Identification Help

2014-06-03 Thread Dave Click
be good for about 5kW of solar. Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Dave Click davecl...@fsec.ucf.edu mailto:davecl...@fsec.ucf.edu wrote: Hi all, Anyone know what this racking system is? The permit drawings say Unirac with lag screws and Eco-Fasten flashings

Re: [RE-wrenches] SMA, Flexible stranded Connectors, Sleep Deprivation

2014-04-30 Thread Dave Click
This may be useful: http://www.cobrawire.com/lugs/lugs.php?cat=xflex On 2014/4/30, 14:25, William Miller wrote: Ray: Thanks for sharing the research. If you could forward to me of-line an email contact and part number I need to order for 4/0. Miller Solar On Apr 30, 2014, at 10:22 AM,

Re: [RE-wrenches] Article 690, or The Haves Vs. Have Nots

2014-04-29 Thread Dave Click
I think 240.24(A)(4) allows the installation of the inverter OCPDs in the SolaDeck hidden under a module. ** *240.24 Location in or on Premises.* ** National Electrical Code 2008 Edition *(A) Accessibility.* Overcurrent devices shall be readily accessible and shall be installed so that the

Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 2014 690.12 Rapid Shutdown

2014-04-15 Thread Dave Click
Nathan, 690.12 only applies to PV system circuits installed on or in buildings so that might be your answer. You'd only be affected by 690.12 if you're running to an interior inverter. So- your strategy of exterior conduit to wall-mounted inverters on the exterior of a building won't be

Re: [RE-wrenches] Myths, Schemes and Scams request

2014-04-12 Thread Dave Click
If you also have the local electricians selling the kvar units as surefire ways to save 30% on your electric bill, I'd nominate that as myth/scheme/scam, though I hope most of those resellers are doing so only because they're naive. There was also some absurd company a few years ago which was

Re: [RE-wrenches] Fault Current

2014-03-27 Thread Dave Click
Karl, you're interconnecting into a spot/area network, right? It's a real concern; some solutions and background on the issue here: http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy09osti/45061.pdf DKC On 2014/3/27, 14:05, Karl Jaeger wrote: Esteemed Wrenches, We've recently run into an issue with a local

Re: [RE-wrenches] Busbar 120% rule

2014-03-27 Thread Dave Click
I had a nice response all typed up before rediscovering my original source. Simple answer: there's still a thermal load to deal with even though there's no point on the bus seeing a current above the busbar rating. I am a linking machine today:

Re: [RE-wrenches] Fault Current

2014-03-27 Thread Dave Click
] *On Behalf Of *Dave Click *Sent:* Thursday, March 27, 2014 1:29 PM *To:* re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Fault Current Karl, you're interconnecting into a spot/area network, right? It's a real concern; some solutions

[RE-wrenches] 1000V System Wiring Details

2014-03-26 Thread Dave Click
Hi Wrenches- If you're installing 1000V systems, are you running continuous PV WIRE all the way to your inverters? If not-- what splices have you found (aside from MC4s and similar) that are listed for 1000V? And when transitioning from PV WIRE to a cheaper conductor, what 1000V options

Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 690.10(C) talking points

2014-03-19 Thread Dave Click
Dan, 690.10(C) doesn't say no. It says that if you have a single 120V inverter output connected directly for a 120/240 panel then you can't put a 240V load in the panel-- in this case you'd either have L connected to both phases of the panel or I guess you could just use half the breakers in

[RE-wrenches] DC Fusing/Breakers for Battery Circuits

2014-02-06 Thread Dave Click
All, I think that in the past, list discussions have talked about fusing of parallel battery circuits as a best practice, but it's required per 690.9 right? (text below from 2008 NEC) Also, if someone (don't look at me) really wants to use 2 parallel circuits of 12V batteries, what

Re: [RE-wrenches] Best Ground Racking?

2014-02-05 Thread Dave Click
A colleague found this online the other day as one potential option for shielding the wires for a ground-/pole-mount system: http://www.solarscrim.com/index.php No personal experience, though. Looks like they may ship with black zip ties but Sunbundler ties (or others) would be an easy swap.

Re: [RE-wrenches] (RE-wrenches) 2x200 amp meter main panel question

2014-01-23 Thread Dave Click
I would think this would be fine, so maybe I am missing the issue. Does CA have a state-specific rule on this? What you're asking is whether you can safely install a 40A inverter circuit in each of your interior [200-225A] panelboards fed from this meter main, right? This is two separate

[RE-wrenches] NEC E-Book Access

2013-11-22 Thread Dave Click
Has anyone checked out the NEC in Enhanced E-Book form? Is it worth buying rather than the PDF? I'm guessing that the E-Book format cripples it and makes it incredibly annoying to use, but figured I'd ask. Thanks- have a great weekend all. DKC ___

Re: [RE-wrenches] Individual DC conductors through separate conduits

2013-11-19 Thread Dave Click
** *300.3(B) Conductors of the Same Circuit.* All conductors of the same circuit and, where used, the grounded conductor and all equipment grounding conductors and bonding conductors shall be contained within the same raceway, auxiliary gutter, cable tray, cablebus assembly, trench, cable, or

Re: [RE-wrenches] SunBandit Hybrid Solar Water Heater

2013-10-03 Thread Dave Click
There are similar systems available to this one. I think you mean that the inverter is UL 1741, but the system is not grid-interactive. Stand-alone inverters can be listed to 1741 as well. IIRC, when I saw them at SPI 2012 they were doing everything in DC. They may have switched to AC so they

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Temp Comp calculations

2013-09-27 Thread Dave Click
William, for quick estimates I usually use www.pvselect.com which uses high ambient+30C for its VMP calcs. On 2013/9/27 1:01, William Miller wrote: Friends: Do any of you know any good, on-line tools for calculating temperature compensated string voltages? I looked but I can't find one. I

Re: [RE-wrenches] 3-Phase Service, One Phase Fails

2013-09-24 Thread Dave Click
Eaton just announced some safety switches with shunt trip that may work for you- Google: Eaton TD008003EN to get the datasheet. TD008003EN On 2013/9/24 11:12, Karl Jaeger wrote: Greetings Esteemed Wrenches, We are building a 35.75kW project with (6) Power One 6000's. The service is a 240

Re: [RE-wrenches] GEC sizing for a high amp, low voltage PV system with microinverters

2013-09-18 Thread Dave Click
I think Gary may be overthinking this. If the micro-inverters have a GEC lug then you'll need to run a GEC. If you run your GEC to a ground rod, then you don't need to use one larger than #6 per 250.166(C). (note also (D) and (E) but they're less useful to you here) / Commentary:/ It makes

Re: [RE-wrenches] SMA WebBox - Bluetooth vs RS485

2013-09-03 Thread Dave Click
, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Dave Click davecl...@fsec.ucf.edu wrote: Have folks been having good experiences with the SMA Bluetoothed WebBox, or should I stick with the standard 485 edition? I'm guessing it'll be about a 20' max triangle between the SB1TL, WebBox, and SensorBox. Likely using

[RE-wrenches] SMA WebBox - Bluetooth vs RS485

2013-08-30 Thread Dave Click
Have folks been having good experiences with the SMA Bluetoothed WebBox, or should I stick with the standard 485 edition? I'm guessing it'll be about a 20' max triangle between the SB1TL, WebBox, and SensorBox. Likely using a Sprint modem for the internet connection. Thanks in advance and

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sunny Island question

2013-08-02 Thread Dave Click
Allan- SMA tech support confirmed with me yesterday that the 3/4/5 kW TL units are compatible with the SMA frequency shifting. On 2013/8/2 16:34, Allan Sindelar wrote: Will the Sunny Island mate up with these Sunny Boys that have the limited backup capability during an outage, as they will

Re: [RE-wrenches] Tax credit question.

2013-07-30 Thread Dave Click
The obvious disclaimers of course apply to this message... The only time a customer would find out that they were disallowed is if they are audited, right? Anyway, from the 5695 form sent out earlier, emphasis added: Qualified solar electric property costs. Qualified solar electric property

Re: [RE-wrenches] Adding similar but updated modules to same inverter

2013-07-13 Thread Dave Click
I think that the 230s required positive grounding, so you can't swap out the inverter for a TL unit. These two circuits in parallel will be fine for your MPPT, you'll have essentially the same voltages but slightly higher current in your new second string. DKC On 2013/7/12 19:27, August

Re: [RE-wrenches] Tape on modules for wire management

2013-07-10 Thread Dave Click
All these manufacturers making cable clips are going to be so upset when they learn that we know about this quick, cost-effective wire management method! You could start with 110.3(B) where the module installation manual may prohibit anything adhered to the back of the module. Or

Re: [RE-wrenches] EGC for Enphases

2013-07-10 Thread Dave Click
-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Dave Click Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:26 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] EGC for Enphases All, I was just

[RE-wrenches] EGC for Enphases

2013-07-03 Thread Dave Click
All, I was just looking at small 4-module Andalay (Enphase 190) system tying into one of the Lennox solar-ready air conditioners. The engineer had specified the 690.47(C) GEC be run directly from the array down to the existing electrode. Running from the inverters is a 2+G wire to the Lennox

Re: [RE-wrenches] double insulated wire

2013-06-28 Thread Dave Click
690.35(D) does *not* require PV WIRE be used for the whole dc circuit. You can use either: (quoting directly from 2008) 1) Nonmetallic jacketed multiconductor cables 2) Conductors installed in raceways, or 3) Conductors listed and identified as PV WIRE installed as exposed, single conductors

Re: [RE-wrenches] Full sized neutral - 240 V inverter

2013-06-20 Thread Dave Click
Unfortunately, the benefits are somewhat limited since you still have to size the neutral at the same size as your EGC, and you have to upsize your EGC thanks to your voltage drop. So now instead of a #6 neutral, you're running them as 8s? Hey, every bit helps... On 2013/6/20 16:18, Drake

Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar Edge v. micro inverters

2013-06-15 Thread Dave Click
As a quick clarification- SolarEdge requires PV WIRE per 690.35. Regular USE-2 doesn't work for these systems. On 2013/6/15 7:25, SwingJunkie wrote: Marco, We installed our first Enphase system in December 2009, and our last in December 2011, when their high failure rate became a problem.

Re: [RE-wrenches] 200 Amp Main Equip for 60A Solar

2013-06-13 Thread Dave Click
Jeff, This has been sent out on the list a few times but I don't remember anyone sharing their personal experiences with it: http://solarprofessional.com/articles/products-equipment/product-launches/milbank-offers-load-tap-connector 200+ 60 for a meter main is trickier. The $1100 (list)

Re: [RE-wrenches] 3-phase PV Inverters for 600 VAC Mfg Plant

2013-05-15 Thread Dave Click
Actually, one is the manufacturer closest to you, Paul- the Solectria SGI 225-500kW class does a 600VAC output. On 2013/5/15 14:03, Paul Lyons wrote: Stump the RE-Wrenches: You know the NPR radio show, Car Talk, when they play Stump the Chumps? I visited a manufacturing plant last week

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV-direct electric water heating

2013-05-14 Thread Dave Click
At SPI last year there was at least one company offering this, and there's another company from Tallahassee also looking into it: www.usa-eds.com I'm not an expert by any means but I think that even 120F doesn't kill legionella-- you need to get to 140F. And even if you do 140F, I imagine

Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters; Hosed By Fronius

2013-05-09 Thread Dave Click
Another option would be to compensate the customer for lost production until you're out there to replace a second inverter. You can credit this against Jason's diagnostic fee idea and/or the $150/unit reimbursement from Enphase. Each unit down is about $30-60/year depending on location. Could

Re: [RE-wrenches] UL warns of counterfeit UL Mark on photovoltaic panels

2013-04-17 Thread Dave Click
Wrenches will especially enjoy the IMP and ISC values, pictured in the final image of the UL notice. On 2013/4/16 13:29, Jason Szumlanski wrote: Ray Johnson in Florida has done an excellent job documenting this fiasco on his blow in the article below and several other articles.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Teck 90 cable

2013-04-11 Thread Dave Click
I don't believe this would work; official metal-clad cable would, but not armored cable. Metal-clad only works under the 2011 NEC, and only then when it meets 250.118(10). On 2013/4/11 19:24, Hilton Dier III wrote: I asked this one last year and got a few That's interesting responses, but

Re: [RE-wrenches] SINGLE PHASE OUTBACK SYSTEM ON 3 PHASE SERVICE

2013-03-28 Thread Dave Click
What problems is the system having? Regarding your proposed 3P wiring solution, I don't know whether this has been fixed recently, but Outbacks in 3P historically haven't monitored the angle between phases. Under grid-connected operation it's not a problem, but after they lose the grid

Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-25 Thread Dave Click
Marco, I still challenge those who believe that “some clipping is good” to make their case. Well, the way you've phrased it, you've made my job pretty easy-- though it seems to me that several folks have already done this for you. Some power limiting at some point over the 25-year life of

Re: [RE-wrenches] backup without batteries

2013-03-25 Thread Dave Click
http://www.smainverted.com/2013/02/21/groundbreaking-new-feature-on-sunny-boy-tl-us-emergency-power-when-the-grid-fails/ On 2013/3/25 11:56, Nik Ponzio wrote: Forgive my senility. I recently read somewhere about development of grid-tie inverters without batteries that offer emergency power via

Re: [RE-wrenches] Conductor Sizing for Supply Side Connection

2013-02-28 Thread Dave Click
As a note, supply side connections have an extra complication with battery backup systems. With a regular GT inverter you're just pushing current into that interconnection point and you can work out easily that you won't have any overcurrent issues unless you made a big mistake and your

Re: [RE-wrenches] CIS mods

2013-02-18 Thread Dave Click
This could just be due to the better temperature coefficient, or maybe they do slightly better than cSi at lower irradiance levels? Solar Frontier CIS: -0.31%/degC SolarWorld poly: -0.45%/degC I don't know enough about CIS to comment on the light soaking. On 2013/2/18 8:36, Marco Mangelsdorf

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase AC Frequency out of Range

2013-02-05 Thread Dave Click
For these installations, do you guys have more information on the utilities' protocols that are causing problems with these inverters? On 2013/2/5 12:51, penobscotso...@midmaine.com wrote: Will do. Enphase had originally projected the beginning of February for the release of the fix. It is now

Re: [RE-wrenches] Hawaii Frequency Settings

2013-02-04 Thread Dave Click
That's correct, it's a 57.0 - 60.5 Hz operating window. http://www.heco.com/portal/site/heco/menuitem.508576f78baa14340b4c0610c510b1ca/?vgnextoid=12a290a2decab110VgnVCM105c011bacRCRDcpsextcurrchannel=1#bk6 According to that website, the requirement only applied to systems interconnected

Re: [RE-wrenches] Are PV Systems Mechanical Equipment

2013-02-03 Thread Dave Click
Jason, There's a 2009 Broward County interpretation that you should be able to use for some leverage: See Page 23 (or search for solar)- http://www.broward.org/CodeAppeals/Documents/FIWebDoc.pdf Obviously, it's difficult to move an 8000 pound chiller off a roof to reroof beneath it, whereas

Re: [RE-wrenches] Commercial design predicament

2012-12-15 Thread Dave Click
Daryl, I don't think there's a practical way to make this work either. If you were adding a 500kW load to that site, the utility would gladly bring out a three-phase transmission line with an appropriate transformer. Unfortunately, for a solar farm, the utility probably wouldn't be willing to do

Re: [RE-wrenches] off grid PV connected to generator

2012-12-14 Thread Dave Click
Well summarized. I think your mileage would vary based on the anti-islanding algorithm used in the inverter and the generator's ability to regulate frequency. So while it may work in that an inverter syncs to a small generator's output, it's very unlikely that reverse current backfed into the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small PV system/experiment for kids

2012-12-12 Thread Dave Click
Jason, for 9-11 year-olds this curriculum may be useful as a starting point, and we've got some others for different age groups. http://fsec.ucf.edu/en/education/k-12/curricula/sm2/index.htm The solar powered system experiment is designed for a cell so we suggested the load be a small

Re: [RE-wrenches] MPP Tracking Notes: Solectria PVI13kW, Module VMPs

2012-12-03 Thread Dave Click
Hi all, Just passing along a correction from Solectria on this issue. Since Dec 2010 these inverters have had a 205V+ window; apparently these units just had an old label on them. Dave On 2012/11/29 9:39, Dave Click wrote: Hi all, I did an inspection recently that had 3 Solectria PVI13kW

[RE-wrenches] MPP Tracking Notes: Solectria PVI13kW, Module VMPs

2012-11-29 Thread Dave Click
Hi all, I did an inspection recently that had 3 Solectria PVI13kW units installed. I was surprised to note that the MPPT window on the nameplate was 225-380VDC, as the online spec sheet and manuals all note a 205-385VDC window. When I asked tech support about this, they replied that the

Re: [RE-wrenches] PVSYST or similar analysis needed

2012-11-27 Thread Dave Click
Carl, you may also be interested in HOMER-- free 2-week trial available of the latest version (after that, $99 per 6-month renewal, despite zero updates since Nov 2010). There's also the free legacy version that's a few years old. http://homerenergy.com/ On 2012/11/26 22:40, Carl Adams

Re: [RE-wrenches] 3 Phase With 2 Inverters?

2012-11-27 Thread Dave Click
I would agree that the imbalance at these power levels is not a major issue. If it appears that Phase A is most heavily-loaded, I'd install the inverters as A-B and A-C to help mitigate the existing imbalance. If you've got a lot of 1P loads on a 3P service-- lighting, office receptacles or

Re: [RE-wrenches] EMT in attic

2012-11-09 Thread Dave Click
Nick, what the AHJ is telling you may actually be in reference to 250.97; for most PV output circuits (yes these are necessarily dc) this bonding requirement applies since array VOC 250 VDC. As Kent just pointed out, these dc conductors clearly don't meet the NEC definition of a service.

Re: [RE-wrenches] graphic software for mac

2012-10-22 Thread Dave Click
DraftSight is a free AutoCAD clone (not just for Mac) that may be what you're looking for. On 2012/10/22 13:37, Jason Szumlanski wrote: I don't know if you want a 3D modeling program, but Sketchup is free and incredibly powerful. There is a Pro version also available with more advanced tools.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ten K Solar

2012-10-22 Thread Dave Click
This is possible because they have cell-level MPPT. I'd guess that even when the sun is perpendicular to the module you'd have a [tiny] bit of extra current from diffuse light reflected onto the module, and you'd see more substantial gains from reflection if the sun can see the reflector and

Re: [RE-wrenches] Utility inverter rating

2012-10-18 Thread Dave Click
Erika, I think the takeaway here is that the Island only has that surge power capacity on the protected load side- you wouldn't see this surge on the utility side. SMA should be able to provide this sort of documentation for you. On 2012/10/18 9:38, Erika Weliczko wrote: Greetings all. I

Re: [RE-wrenches] SunnyIsland - was AC coupling and Outback inverters

2012-10-05 Thread Dave Click
Check out the new SMA Smartformer, though I'm not sure whether it's actually shipping yet. I'm thinking about this for my house eventually (SB5000US). http://www.sma-america.com/en_US/products/off-grid-and-back-up-solutions/smartformer-for-sunny-island.html Alternatively, the new SMA TL

[RE-wrenches] BIPV Options

2012-10-02 Thread Dave Click
Good input on the Atlantis options-- does anyone have experience with the www.bipvinc.com or www.lumetasolar.com products? On 2012/10/2 13:06, Robert Evans wrote: I installed the BOS for an Atlantis Sunslates system back in 2003-04, and commissioned the system. Based on my experience I

Re: [RE-wrenches] BIPV Options

2012-10-02 Thread Dave Click
, dirty dirty Holt E. Kelly Holtek Fireplace Solar Products 500 Jewell Dr. Waco TX. 76712 254-751-9111 www.holteksolar.com - Original Message - From: Dave Click davecl...@fsec.ucf.edu To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 1:22 PM Subject: [RE-wrenches] BIPV

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120% rule applying to conductors

2012-09-28 Thread Dave Click
Mr. Brooks had an email on this topic on 5/8, 12:58pm ET. NEC officially says that the conductor needs to be upsized but the 2014 will fix it because that is dumb. I've copied some of Bill's email below. ** The key distinction was used in my proposal to the 2014 NEC that removed the statement

Re: [RE-wrenches] Short Circuit Cell Damage

2012-09-18 Thread Dave Click
Short-circuiting should be OK for crystalline cells, but some thin film manufacturers ask you not to do this. On the jumper-cutting, I agree with the others that you probably shouldn't create arcs just for fun! On 2012/9/17 23:50, Mark Frye wrote: Wrenches, True or False: In a nominal sort

Re: [RE-wrenches] Up for a 1-Line Riddle?

2012-08-30 Thread Dave Click
I've seen that one a lot, too. And not to quibble, but the 1-line depicts this correctly (no inline fuse shown in the inverter DC disconnect box), though there should be a note making this more explicit. Speaking of sunny days turning off the system, how about the 3 30A inverter breakers'

Re: [RE-wrenches] Up for a 1-Line Riddle?

2012-08-30 Thread Dave Click
: 24 A per inverter x 1.73 = 41.5 A However, no one reviewing a single-line should have to guess about the service type On Aug 30, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Dave Click wrote: I've seen that one a lot, too. And not to quibble, but the 1-line depicts this correctly (no inline fuse shown in the inverter

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase M210-84-208-S12 Inverters Available?

2012-08-13 Thread Dave Click
Enphase already positive-grounds the module: http://enphase.com/support/installation-wiring/ Q: The Enphase Microinverter manual states that the device is positively grounded. Don't most PV modules have negative grounds? Is this a problem for Enphase? A: Enphase made the decision to positively

Re: [RE-wrenches] mounting hardware and U.L.

2012-07-20 Thread Dave Click
http://solarabcs.org/about/publications/reports/module-grounding/index.html (see the Issues Recommendations report) Phil is right that UL 2703 isn't finalized yet so it's not actually a requirement. However, I imagine that module installation manuals and UL 1703 will both refer to 2703 soon,

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC GEC Sizing Issue - Water Main GE

2012-07-20 Thread Dave Click
Garrison, If you're doing a small commercial grid-tie system, your inverter GEC requirements are determined not by the service size but by your inverter. To illustrate, if you were installing a single Enphase, running an unspliced #3/0 copper wire from your pipe up to your inverter would be

Re: [RE-wrenches] roof attachment in tile roof

2012-07-19 Thread Dave Click
As a note for tile roofs: the tile keeps most of the water on top of it but it's not the actual sealed layer. The underlayment is the true waterproofing layer, so be sure you seal the penetration through the underlayment as well as the hole you cut in the tile. On 2012/7/18 23:42, Parrish,

Re: [RE-wrenches] L feet no flashing in shingle roof

2012-07-02 Thread Dave Click
I always thought that installing lag screws was tough enough with pilot holes- I should hit the gym. I'm not a structural PE, but I think that not drilling pilot holes violates the American Wood Council's National Design Specs and therefore violates the IBC too. I would imagine that you'd be

Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar Attic Fans

2012-06-08 Thread Dave Click
We did a paper on this back in 2000 that folks may find interesting. A bit outdated- two 10W (thin film) fans were used for a 1000 sf home. http://www.fsec.ucf.edu/en/publications/html/FSEC-GP-171-00/index.htm Conclusion: Comparing periods with similar weather conditions, the test revealed

Re: [RE-wrenches] Finding ground faults

2012-05-23 Thread Dave Click
Here's the Paul Mync / John Berdner article from SolarPro 2.5: http://solarprofessional.com/article/?file=SP2_5_pg60_Mync -David Brearley... er... Click On 2012/5/22 22:36, Bob Clark wrote: Wrenches: Sorry to bring up this situation again, but I could not find a previous discussion thread

Re: [RE-wrenches] Line side taps in Hawai'i

2012-05-21 Thread Dave Click
Square D probably has a similar solar-ready panel; I remember seeing some monster (4' tall? they were big) Cutler Hammer panelboards at SPI 2010 that had it too. On my house I have a Square D RC2M200S which has simply a 200A main plus a 2P 50A breaker (perfect for PV). This is a much smaller

Re: [RE-wrenches] Combining Solectria PVI 2500 with SB3000

2012-04-19 Thread Dave Click
This is fine; your PVI2500 is rated for 10.4A, while the SB3000 is 12.5A. You can put up to 24A rated current through your 30A fuses. Though the disconnect isn't technically a service disconnect, I'd recommend using a 60A rated (fused at 30A) disconnect per 230.79(D). You would run a neutral

Re: [RE-wrenches] Module Eff

2012-04-06 Thread Dave Click
You can calculate this yourself pretty easily for the many modules that don't explicitly state their efficiency (or for those that just state the cell efficiency). Get the total *metric* length and width of the module from the cut sheet. Multiply to get your area in square meters. 235W /

Re: [RE-wrenches] solar accumulation panel

2012-03-12 Thread Dave Click
Nick, I don't see that name (or an alternate term) in the report on proposals (do a search for 120% or 4-375a). http://www.nfpa.org/Assets/files/AboutTheCodes/70/70_A2013_NEC-P04_ROPballot.pdf On 2012/3/9 16:45, Nick Vida wrote: Hello, I was wondering if any of you wise wrenches know if

Re: [RE-wrenches] Need info resource re wind hail damage

2012-03-09 Thread Dave Click
Allen, UL 1703 simulates a 1 hailstone @ 50mph by dropping a 1.18lb 2 diameter steel ball 51 onto the glass at any point considered most vulnerable. IEC 61215 actually uses a 1 ice ball (what a weird thing to use when simulating hail, right?) and shoots it at 11 points on the module at 50mph.

Re: [RE-wrenches] AUO ac moudles

2012-02-23 Thread Dave Click
As Abraham Lincoln famously said, I'll give it my best shot, but I'm no Bill Brooks. A DC ground fault is not impossible on an AC module but it's not the issue that it is on large DC systems where numerous high-voltage parallel strings can feed an array fault. When the unit is listed it's

Re: [RE-wrenches] AL vs CU

2012-02-13 Thread Dave Click
If you're running them on a rooftop (i.e. not buried), expansion/contraction is a bigger issue with aluminum than copper-- so plan for that as best you can, like with loops in pull boxes and sweeps rather than LBs. On 2012/2/13 13:39, Exeltech wrote: AL advantage: Weight (especially in long

Re: [RE-wrenches] Tax Credit for New Construction?

2012-02-08 Thread Dave Click
The credit still applies. Some things to note are that the placed in service date is when your customer actually moved in. So if he waited until the new year to move for property tax reasons (?) he can't claim the 30% credit until the 2012 tax year. Also, the credit only applies to new

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