Re: [S-mailx] OAuth, and Microsoft, and this little MUA
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: I fixed that, and for me the Microsoft stuff works again completely. (They however strip "offline_access" from it, and we faithfully take what they give us iirc.) I am only a lonely user and what do i know of your setup. For info again: I don't know whether you thought this change might enable me to authorize with your client id. It doesn't. (But, as we keep saying, I don't need to.) Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] OAuth, and Microsoft, and this little MUA
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: But client_secret is definetely not freely inventable by users, but if available is linked to the application. Alpine .. seems to have added an Outlook client_secret on 2020-07-09 with 0f89ad88df81df9d2ca7eafa276fecf8206fb598, and did not have one before. Maybe with paying or something you can choose a longer validity than 30 months? It passed the 30 months by now, that much is plain. The interval between alpine reauthorizations has definitely been less than 30 months. More like 6, although I haven't tried to keep track. It's infrequent enough, and easy enough to do, that it isn't a problem. you are the only person i know who sits "in some special department" that causes additional access checks to kick in. And lucky that your own configuration works. Yes, I'm ok and not asking you to do anything for my sake at this point. I only replied to your message "for information". Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] OAuth, and Microsoft, and this little MUA
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: Stephen Isard wrote in <10085-1681666242-947...@sneakemail.com>: |I still get a message saying I need admin approval when I try to |authorize with your client id. I think it must be a decision by the With the new script, aka after replacing the tenant=ID with tenant=common in the configuration, and refreshing it? With the new script and starting with an empty resourcefile ... Hmmm, Alpine has a client_secret, whereas we have not; we only have an application/client ID, and Object ID, and a Directory/tenant ID, but which must not be used for real. I have not set a client secret, likely because that has a maximum lifetime, as i see (again). Well, alpine has asked me to reauthorize a couple of times since it has started using oauth. I can't recall the intervals exactly, but several months at least. Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] OAuth, and Microsoft, and this little MUA
Hello Steffen, I still get a message saying I need admin approval when I try to authorize with your client id. I think it must be a decision by the organization that outsourced me to Microsoft, rather than Microsoft itself. Microsoft sends me to log in to my organization account and it is only after logging in that I get that message. As I've said, I am ok if I use the client id for s-nail that I created for myself while logged in on Microsoft Azure with my organization credentials. This all sounds like standard irritating organizational behaviour. The only puzzle is why I don't have similar problems authorizing alpine, another non-Microsoft mua. Stephen Isard On Sun, 16 Apr 2023, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: Hello list, hello Stephen. A follow-up to this. As some may remember, the S-nail/s-mailx application stopped working via OAuth, that is, IMAP was possible, but sending via SMTP caused only failed authentications. It magically works again: i took part in a thread on mutt-dev@, and it was Ian Collier of Oxford University who dropped the word about "common instead of tenant ID". Now, whereas our oauth-helper.py script itself uses "tenant=common" for Microsoft, the registered S-nail (s-mailx) application instead uses the generated tenant ID, and it worked like that back in last October. Interestingly refresh_token is now totally missing, outlook.com only manages access_token .. currently. But hey -- it works! So i updated the manual in the script, and the S-nail/s-mailx config itself, to be downloaded at will from [1]. Ciao from Germany, and a nice rest-Sunday! [1] https://git.sdaoden.eu/browse/s-toolbox.git/plain/oauth-helper.py Note: user "moon", password "mars", as in: $ curl -u moon:mars --basic -O https://git.sdaoden.eu/browse/s-toolbox.git/plain/oauth-helper.py --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)
Re: [S-mailx] OAuth, and Microsoft, and this little MUA
On Thu, 16 Mar 2023, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: |On the remote machine that I am testing with, I have to set 'from' to my |login name at the organization. If I set it to my email address at the |organization, which is different, I get an error message. Could that be |the same problem that you are having? No. IMAP is ok Sorry, I wasn't being clear. IMAP was ok for me as well. I only got the error message when trying to use SMTP with the "wrong" from setting. Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] OAuth, and Microsoft, and this little MUA
On Thu, 16 Mar 2023, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: (The instructions are included in oauth-helper.py via action=manual provider=Microsoft. And oh i see -- this should not be enabled by default, maybe someone misused that ID for bad things, and now Microsoft has disabled? But .. i can login via IMAP, POP3 protocols does not exist anyhow, and SMTP is rejected with unauthorized.) On the remote machine that I am testing with, I have to set 'from' to my login name at the organization. If I set it to my email address at the organization, which is different, I get an error message. Could that be the same problem that you are having? Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] OAuth, and Microsoft, and this little MUA
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: So i would assume you are using that "department tenant" and client ID like you did last September, and not the "s-mailx" "application"? I am using the client id that I set up for myself, following the instructions that you pointed me at. I think that they were from the mutt website. I believe that you were able to connect using that client id as well. I have just tried /s-nail-oauth-helper.py -a authorize -p Microsoft -R resourcefile where resourcefile came from running s-nail-oauth-helper.py -p Microsoft -a template -R resourcefile This was on a machine that I was logged in on remotely via ssh, so I changed flow from redirect to devicecode. Everything went ok until I was asked to log in to my organization's website. When I did that, I was told that s-nail was not trusted and I would need permission from some higher authority. I don't get that if I use my own client id instead of the one that s-nail-oauth-helper.py puts into the resourcefile. Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] OAuth, and Microsoft, and this little MUA
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: Is anybody using the oauth-helper.py with Microsoft? Hello Steffen, Sorry for the delay in responding. I'm using oauth with Microsoft, but after you taught me enough to make it work with the mutt oauth script mutt_oauth2.py, I never converted to your (much superior) script, because I had a working setup and didn't want to disturb it. My account definition includes the lines set mta=submission://smtp.office365.com set smtp-auth=oauthbearer and I can send mail. Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] How download attachment of incoming mail?
On Mon, 27 Feb 2023, Χάρης Καραχριστιανίδης hariskar-at-otenet.gr |s-nail| wrote: I received an email with a *.fit attachment. 2 problems: How can I download it? Try write /dev/null See the entry for the 'write' command in the manual. Hope that helps. Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] OAuth 2.0 password helper for Google, Microsoft, Yandex
On Mon, 3 Oct 2022, Stephen Isard wrote: ... 'invalid_client', 'error_description': "AADSTS70002: The provided client is not supported for this feature. The client application must be marked as 'mobile. I can't see how to mark the client registration as mobile. Did "mobile" come up when you registered your client? Never mind. I've found it. At the bottom of the "Authentication" menu page, there is Allow public client flows Enable the following mobile and desktop flows: No keyboard (Device Code Flow) and you have to change the default "no" to "yes" Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] OAuth 2.0 password helper for Google, Microsoft, Yandex
On Mon, 3 Oct 2022, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: ... |For all I know, that might be a problem specific to office365 accounts |tied to organizations and someone with a personal Microsoft account |could be ok. If any s-nail user has chosen on their own to use |Microsoft as their email provider, as opposed to being outsourced to |them by an organization, it would be interesting if they could check. I have two free accounts on outlook.com, and i can access without any problem with either. Good. So likely it is that your organization tries to avoid getting third party code behind some walls. That however makes me wonder why your own id works without such trouble, then? Well, I set up the id when logged in to my organization account, so maybe that makes it ok? Unsurprisingly, I get the same unverified app message if I try to authorize with your account using flow=devicecode from an ssh login, where running a browser on the same machine is not practical. However, when I try with my own client id and device id, I get a different error message: 'invalid_client', 'error_description': "AADSTS70002: The provided client is not supported for this feature. The client application must be marked as 'mobile. I can't see how to mark the client registration as mobile. Did "mobile" come up when you registered your client? Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] OAuth 2.0 password helper for Google, Microsoft, Yandex
Hello Steffen,
Thanks for doing all this work!
A couple of snags:
On Sun, 2 Oct 2022, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote:
_If_ you only have one account at a service provider, say,
Google, then all you need to do to get yourself going is:
# s-nail-oauth-helper.y --resource CONFIG-PATH --provider Yandex
Typo: s-nail-oauth-helper.py --resource CONFIG-PATH --provider Google
:-)
More seriously, in the definition of act_authorize in the python script
def act_authorize(args, cfg, dt): #{{{
global auth_code
print('* OAuth 2.0 RFC 6749, 4.1.1. Authorization Request', file=sys.stderr)
e = False
for k in client.keys():
if k != 'refresh_token' and k != 'access_token' \
and not cfg.get(k) and client.get(k, '.') == '':
print('! Missing client key: %s' % k, file=sys.stderr)
e = True
if e:
print('PANIC: configuration incomplete or invalid', file=sys.stderr)
return EX_DATAERR
return EX_OK
p = {}
...
The return line occurs too early. It causes the script to finish
without doing anything. Commenting it out lets authorization go ahead.
Also, when I try to authorize using the Microsoft client id that the
script puts into the config file during --action=template, I get an
error page from Microsoft with the text:
myname@myorganization
Need admin approval
unverified
This app may be risky. If you trust this app, please ask your admin to
grant you access. Learn more
Have an admin account? Sign in with that account
Return to the application without granting consent
If I edit in my own client_id, obtained by following the Mutt advice
that you quote, then all is well and I get authorized successfully.
For all I know, that might be a problem specific to office365 accounts
tied to organizations and someone with a personal Microsoft account
could be ok. If any s-nail user has chosen on their own to use
Microsoft as their email provider, as opposed to being outsourced to
them by an organization, it would be interesting if they could check.
Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] signature
On Fri, 16 Sep 2022, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote:
...
Well ok but the manual includes a fully spelled out example for
on-compose-splice:
define ocs_signature {
read version
echo '~< ~/.mysig' # '~
This works, but I don't actually understand how. The man page says that
'read' reads a line from standard input and assigns it to the given
variable. What is standard input going to be in this case? Is it the
output of echo? The given variable is 'version', which is read-only, so
can't get assigned to. What causes the quoted string to get evaluated?
Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] oauth timeout
On Fri, 16 Sep 2022, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: ... So for now there is _nothing_ you can do. That's what I suspected. It's possible that the davmail thing that I mentioned last week takes care of renewing its tokens on time. That could be the way to go. Stephen Isard
[S-mailx] oauth timeout
It turns out that using on-main-loop-tick to check whether it is time to renew the auth token doesn't cover the case where you spend a long time writing a message in the external editor. You come back from the editor to find that imap has timed out and there is no open folder. Since I have defined an account for logging in with oauth, I should be able to give the command account oauth to reconnect. However, I find that I have to issue the command twice. The first time, I just get a message that there is no open folder. Is there some way of trapping the imap disconnection error to trigger a new 'account oauth'? I see code snippets involving 'trap' in the man page, but no entry for it in the list of commands. Stephen Isard
[S-mailx] signature
Steffen, I don't use a signature myself, but a colleague who does recently updated his s-nail from the out of date version in the ubuntu repository and got a warning that signature was obsolete and he should use on-compose-leave and message-inject-tail. That is, replace the single line signature=~/.signature whose meaning is pretty obvious to the ordinary user, with half a dozen lines of - if you will forgive my saying so - rather arcane low level code. You shouldn't have to understand the semantics of "vput csop" to include a signature your emails. Please don't misunderstand. I think it is great that you have exposed low level workings of s-nail so that, for instance, someone who wants to include different signatures for different classes of recipients can arrange that. But it shouldn't be at the expense of over-complicating everyday use. Please retain the signature variable. All that said, I tried making a signature for myself by copying code from the man page. It worked, in that the lines of my .signature file got tacked on correctly, but I was surprised to have the contents of message-inject-tail echoed to my screen when I sent the message. Is there a way of stopping that? Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] microsoft outlook server with xoauth2
On Mon, 12 Sep 2022, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: ... |s-nail -X 'call update_access_token' -A oauth | |The initial call to update_access_token uses the refresh token in your |~/.s-nail-tokenfile to get an access token that s-nail treats as a |password for logging in. The settings of on-main-loop-tick and Why do you need this initial call? Ah, you directly log into IMAP and use that as your base, hmhm, we really deal bad with that. Call it from within the account? You are right, calling it at the beginning of the account definition works. I didn't do it that way because I wasn't certain that s-nail would set the password before attempting the imap login. It makes sense that the lines in the account definition would get executed in order, but I wasn't sure. Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] microsoft outlook server with xoauth2
On Mon, 12 Sep 2022, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: ... | set user=loginname@organization #the name you log in with on their \ | website | set from=emailname@organization # might be the same as user, or not Really!?! That is interesting, i added smtp-from (superceeding smtp-hostname) to make this work on Microsoft, but it seems they plugged it, as last week it did no longer work. My experience is that 1) Making from be the same as user works, but then emails say that they are from the login name, which in my case isn't my email address 2) Making from be my actual email address there does what I want 3) Making from be somename@somewhereelse produces an error saying that user can't send as that person Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] microsoft outlook server with xoauth2
efresh token in your ~/.s-nail-tokenfile to get an access token that s-nail treats as a password for logging in. The settings of on-main-loop-tick and on-compose-enter are for fetching a new access token if the original one expires during your session, as explained in the man page. Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] microsoft outlook server with xoauth2
On Mon, 5 Sep 2022, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: ... |microsoft says it [basic authentication] will stop |working next month, which is why I am trying to set up They do?! They do. See https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/exchange/clients-and-mobile-in-exchange-onl ine/deprecation-of-basic-authentication-exchange-online I have no idea how to get an application ID for S-nail that can simply be used. Nor do I, but alpine has a fairly painless process for setting up xoauth2 for microsoft. See https://alpineapp.email/alpine/alpine-info/misc/xoauth2.html (which starts off by explaining that "The idea of XOAUTH2 is to create the illusion of security"). I've also discovered davmail http://davmail.sourceforge.net/, which does the xoauth2 stuff for you and shows your mail on a local server. It works with s-nail and I'll use it if I can't manage to connect with s-nail directly. Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] microsoft outlook server with xoauth2
On Mon, 5 Sep 2022, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: ... |>|authenticating with xoauth2? |> |> The released S-nail's have oauthbearer which de facto _is_ |> XOAUTH2. No? I think yes. | |Can you post the imap authentication settings for your fozzi-baer |account? That would be very helpful. I actually do not have any. But aren't you then getting plain/basic/password authentication for imap, rather than xoauth2/oathbearer? (I have no problem connecting with plain authentication at the moment, but microsoft says it will stop working next month, which is why I am trying to set up xoauth2/oathbearer.) Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] microsoft outlook server with xoauth2
On Mon, 5 Sep 2022, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: Stephen Isard wrote in <3452-1662299186-348...@sneakemail.com>: ... |So is your report | |> s-nail: >>> SERVER: * OK The Microsoft Exchange IMAP4 service is \ |> ready. .. |> s-nail: >>> T8 CAPABILITY |> s-nail: >>> SERVER: * CAPABILITY IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 AUTH=PLAIN AUTH=XOAUTH2\ |> SAS$ |> s-nail: >>> SERVER: T8 OK CAPABILITY completed. |> s-nail: >>> T9 LOGIN "fozzi-b...@outlook.com" "..." |> s-nail: >>> SERVER: T9 OK LOGIN completed. | |authenticating with xoauth2? The released S-nail's have oauthbearer which de facto _is_ XOAUTH2. No? I think yes. Can you post the imap authentication settings for your fozzi-baer account? That would be very helpful. Thanks, Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] microsoft outlook server with xoauth2
Thanks very much for the pointers, Steffen. I don't actually need to use the microsoft smtp server. There is another server that I can send through. I just need to read mail on the imap server. So is your report s-nail: >>> SERVER: * OK The Microsoft Exchange IMAP4 service is ready. .. s-nail: >>> T8 CAPABILITY s-nail: >>> SERVER: * CAPABILITY IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 AUTH=PLAIN AUTH=XOAUTH2 SAS$ s-nail: >>> SERVER: T8 OK CAPABILITY completed. s-nail: >>> T9 LOGIN "fozzi-b...@outlook.com" "..." s-nail: >>> SERVER: T9 OK LOGIN completed. authenticating with xoauth2? But regarding your question, in the mutt(1) MUA repository there is contrib/mutt_oauth2.py*, and it reads -- How to create a Microsoft registration -- ... That looks promising. I'll give it a try. Stephen Isard
[S-mailx] microsoft outlook server with xoauth2
Good evening all, A university mail server that I use was outsourced to microsoft. I have been connecting to this server in s-nail using "plain" authentication, i.e., a password. Now microsoft is about to stop supporting plain authentication https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/exchange/clients-and-mobile-in-exchange-online/deprecation-of-basic-authentication-exchange-online and it will be necessary to use xoauth2. I have read the s-nail man page section "But, how about XOAUTH2 / OAUTHBEARER?" and can copy the oauth2.py stuff, but I don't know the microsoft equivalents to the gmail instructions for getting and storing the “client ID” and “client secret” given in https://github.com/google/gmail-oauth2-tools/wiki/OAuth2DotPyRunThrough. Has anyone been connecting to an outlook account using xoauth2 with s-nail? Steffen, did you try to use xoauth2 with your fozzi-baer account? Thanks, Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] Using data from shell for command
Hi Hans, On Fri, 22 Jul 2022, hbezemer-at-kliksafe.nl |s-nail| wrote: I want to delete all mail which is older then one year. This can be done with the '(before date)' search expression as described in the manpage. To automate this process, I would like to use the shell date(1) command to get the date one year ago. How can I import the outcome of command into mailx? I get the right string with: date --date='last year' +%d-%b-%Y So I'm looking for something like: ?move '(before )' +Trash If you call s-nail with s-nail -S yearold=`date --date='last year' +%d-%b-%Y` the variable yearold within s-nail will contain the date string. Hope that's useful. Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] Retrieving filename of message
Hello Hans and Steffen,
I used to use munpack before mailx 'write' developed the capabilities
that Steffen describes. Write gives you more control over which
attachments will be extracted and what they will be called.
Munpack can read from its standard input, so if you are in mailx/s-nail,
you don't need to know the absolute file location of the current
message. Simply '|munpack' will unpack it. As with 'write', the
message doesn't need to be in a local file at all; it can be on a remote
imap server.
I hope that is helpful.
Stephen Isard
On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote:
Hello Hans,
sorry for the late reply.
hbeze...@kliksafe.nl wrote in
<20220618191419.schb7%hbeze...@kliksafe.nl>:
|I would like to be able to save attachments from messages within mailx.
|I'm using munpack(1) to extract the attachments.
I have never heard of munpack, interesting.
Were there a need, i would possibly look into nmh(1) and use one
of its tools as long as this MUA cannot directly address things.
|Is it possible to retrieve the filename(location) of a message?
|For example:
|!munpack
I do not know nothing about munpack.
mailx has the `write' command to save message parts [1]; manual is
a bit weird, you give it the message and a filename that is used
for the main text part (or the entire message for non-MIME
messages), for any other part you are prompted in interactive
mode.
[1] http://sdaoden.eu/code-nail.html#306
The best however would be if mailx finally could address parts
directly ("write 1.2.1"), or if the `digmsg' command would learn
how to write individual parts. This not yet, unfortunately.
--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)
Re: [S-mailx] Lost edit
On Mon, 6 Sep 2021, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: I hope you are rich enough to have not only survived the flooding, but are also able to solve the damage done! Thanks for your concern. I was fortunate and was not personally affected by the floods. We will always read back the edited file _if_ the size or its timestamp changed (aka whenever it seems to have been modified, easy approach aka not checksum-checked), _unless_ the editor exits with a non-0 exit status. I hadn't realized about that "unless", and that the non-0 status could be caused by a signal passed down by the parent s-nail process, as opposed to some event within the editor itself. If your editor would be #!/bin/sh - trap : ALRM HUP INT QUIT TERM the-real-editor "$@" exit 0 then your problem with not reading back the temporary file should not happen. Right, that does seem to prevent the edit from getting lost. It is difficult to test, because the imap server disconnects in an unpredictable way, but, so far, so good. 5.4.Autologout Timer If a server has an inactivity autologout timer, the duration of that timer MUST be at least 30 minutes. The receipt of ANY command from the client during that interval SHOULD suffice to reset the autologout timer. My impression is that the disconnections are caused by something other than the timer timing out. Some days it happens a lot, other days not at all. The problem that lasted after my first (second with that SO_RCVTIMEOU) patch was that now SIGALRM was allowed again while editing, but that an installed alarm(2) timer is inherited by child processes, which is why your version of ed(1) seems to have exited with a non-0 exit status, after having seen a SIGALRM, though the default action of SIGARLM is SIGALRM P1990 TermTimer signal from alarm(2) terminate says signal(7). So the next patch on top of the first patch drops such installed alarm(2) actions in child processes. With these three patches which are on [master, stable/stable, stable/latest, stable/v14.9] (uff) i can wholeheartly put the blame on other people. So with the patches in place, why should I need to wrap the editor with the script above? Is there some other way for signals to get through? Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] Lost edit
Hello Steffen, I'm sorry to report that the problem has not gone away entirely. I appear to get two kinds of error conditions. As I last reported I've had the error message s-nail: TLS socket read error, retrying: Resource temporarily unavailable s-nail: IMAP: error::lib(0):func(0):reason(0) while in the editor, and when I saved and quit, the edited version DID appear in the message. That seems to happen when I lose my connection to the internet altogether, not just to the IMAP server, and the error message comes up in the s-nail window while I am still in the editor. In the other condition, the message s-nail: IMAP write error: error::lib(0):func(0):reason(0) appears only when I leave the editor, and I don't know what event causes it. That's the circumstance in which the editor temporary file doesn't get read back into the message buffer, and the temporary file remains in place until the message is sent or abandoned, at which point it is deleted. What chain of events can lead to an IMAP write error? Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] Lost edit
Steffen, With the latest master branch, I've had the error message s-nail: TLS socket read error, retrying: Resource temporarily unavailable s-nail: IMAP: error::lib(0):func(0):reason(0) while in the editor, and when I saved and quit, the edited version DID appear in the message. Hooray. Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] Lost edit
But why do you expect the test series to work once you applied a debug patch that was ment for a very specific test of yours? Because I don't know what the tests are testing. I'm just blindly following instructions. But maybe the alarm(2) should be cleared when we start a child and the alarm is still set. So i did that. Thanks for the report. So should I pull in a new copy of the master branch to get that latest change, or test with what I've got? Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] Lost edit
Hello Steffen, Here is a complete session where I 1. Began a message with the word "Before" 2. Entered ed as an external editor and added the line "During" 3. Waited a long time 4. Did a date stamp from within the editor, then saved and exited 5. Got an IMAP write error 6. Did ~p to see that the message only contained the "Before" line 7. Still within the message, did an external shell command to see that there was a file /tmp/s-nailblahblah with the same date stamp as when I left the editor. 8. Still within the message, did an external cat command to see that the file in /tmp contained the "Before" and "During" lines. 9. Abandoned the message with `x 10. Tried to repeat the cat command on the /tmp file and found that it had been removed. So I am not accusing you of leaving files lying around in /tmp. But it appears that they aren't immediately deleted on return to the s-nail command line after an IMAP write error, when the content of the /tmp file hasn't been read back into the message buffer. Finishing the message appears to get the file cleaned away. #-# & m Subject: test Before ~e 7 a During . !date Mon 30 Aug 16:12:24 BST 2021 ! wq 14 s-nail: IMAP write error: error::lib(0):func(0):reason(0) (continue) ERROR# ~p --- Message contains: From: To: Subject: test Before ~!ls -gG /tmp/s-nail* -rw--- 1 14 Aug 30 16:12 /tmp/s-nail-edbaseUjFRoCne ! (continue) ~!cat /tmp/s-nail-edbaseUjFRoCne Before During ! (continue) ~x s-nail: IMAP write error: Bad file descriptor ERROR# & !cat /tmp/s-nail-edbaseUjFRoCne cat: /tmp/s-nail-edbaseUjFRoCne: No such file or directory #-# Stephen Isard
[S-mailx] Lost edit
Hello Steffen, I have been trying out the patched latest v.14.9.22 for a couple of days, but I didn't catch the server disconnecting until today. Sadly, ## & m Subject: test Before ~e 7 a During . s-nail: IMAP write error: error::lib(0):func(0):reason(0) wq 14 (continue) s-nail: There are new messages in the error message ring (denoted by ERROR), s-nail: which can be managed with the `errors' command ERROR# ~p --- Message contains: From: To: Subject: test Before #---# No "During". The edit is not incorporated after I save and leave the editor. I have found the temporary editor file in /tmp, and the edit appears there. Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] imap disconnection
Yeah, let's do it like this. "Fixes" pushed to the master and stable branch when you read this. Thanks for reporting the problem and insisting, Stephen! Well, thank YOU for solving it! Can you give me the git command that I need to issue to clone the current stable 14.9 version? Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] imap disconnection
Hello Steffen, Here is a log from a session where I used ed as the external editor so as to be able to capture the entire session on one screen #--# & mail Subject: test Before editor ~e 14 a In editor Waiting . 1,$p Before editor In editor Waiting wq 32 s-nail: IMAP write error: error::lib(0):func(0):reason(0) (continue) s-nail: There are new messages in the error message ring (denoted by ERROR), s-nail: which can be managed with the `errors' command ERROR# ~p --- Message contains: From: To: Subject: test Before editor ~p --- Message contains: From: To: Subject: test Before editor ## The time between writing 'Waiting' and exiting with 'wq' was about an hour in this case. You can see that the material entered in the editor was lost following the IMAP write error. Since the error message that I get is different from the one that you get by sending alarm signals, I suggest that this error may not be the result of an alarm signal, but something else. I can speculate that the message is generated by the lines 766-767 in the file s-nail-14.9.22/src/mx/net-socket.c from the 14.9.22 tarball, 766 snprintf(o, sizeof o, "%s write error", 767 (sop->s_desc ? sop->s_desc : "socket")); but, even if that is correct, I don't know what chain of events could get you to those lines. Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] imap disconnection
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: s-nail: IMAP error: Server shutting down. (continue) s-nail: There are messages in the error ring, manageable via `errors' command Ok, that's a different error message from the one we get, which is s-nail: IMAP write error: error::lib(0):func(0):reason(0) Again, I ask what process are you sending the kill -ALRM signal to? The s-nail process? When I do that it has no effect at all. I can quit the editor and get no IMAP error. I only get "my" IMAP error by waiting for a sufficiently long time, where "sufficiently long" varies. Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] imap disconnection
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: Stephen Isard wrote in <23078-1629848900-410...@sneakemail.com>: |That is what I was hoping you could explain. Why does losing the IMAP |connection stop s-nail from reading the temp file back into its buffer |when editing is done? I have problems to parse this Stephen. What is going on? What is "reading back the temp file"? 1) You start writing a message in s-nail 2) You call '~v' to bring up an emacs window with the content of the message so far 3) You edit the message in emacs, save, and quit. 4) Case 1: The imap connection has not dropped while you were in emacs You are returned to the normal s-nail prompt and '~p' shows the message that you saved from emacs Case 2: The imap connection was dropped while you were in emacs You see an ERROR prompt and '~p' shows the message as it was before you called emacs My understanding is that when you do '~v' to use an external editor on a message you are writing, s-nail creates a temporary file and calls the external editor on that file. Then when you quit the external editor, s-nail normally reads the content of the temporary file back into an internal buffer, where you can see it with '~p'. However, if there has been an imap disconnection while you are working in the external editor, '~p' just shows the message as it was before the editor was called. Any work done in the editor is lost. So s-nail has not read the content of the temporary file back into the internal buffer. Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] imap disconnection
But .. what has editing to do with IMAP? That is what I was hoping you could explain. Why does losing the IMAP connection stop s-nail from reading the temp file back into its buffer when editing is done? Your friend should be able to simply force `disconnect' and then `connect' again to get back into IMAP. He did try 'disconnect' after the error, but s-nail says it isn't connected. But supposing he manages to get back into IMAP somehow, will that rescue his lost edit? He isn't so much bothered by having to reconnect as losing the work that he did in the editor. *folder* is just too special in my opinion. Could you expand on that remark a little? The 'folder' command, the 'folder' variable? Special how? Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] imap disconnection
Pardon? You were `mailing or replying and got stuck in the editor and in the meantime the connection broke? Yes, the connection breaks while he is in the editor. He isn't stuck, in the sense that the editor carries on normally. He saves back to /tmp/s-nail, leaves the editor, and only then gets the imap error message and finds that his work in the editor has been lost. The network thing uses alarm(2) to drive this mechanism ... At least until v15, when there will be a non-blocking loop with select(2) or poll(3). If i ever get there. Then this is a detached loop that runs like a daemon would. Ok, I need to read some man pages to follow that. Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] imap disconnection
The best you can do is using IMAP cache, as you do. You can then `disconnect' / `connect' as you will, and it usually "pampers over" the problem. Other than that setting "set imap-keepalive=X" to install an alarm based trigger every X seconds often helps, too. Maybe 300 or even 120 for super picky wifi i have seen (if it helps at all). But why does the imap disconnection interfere with reading the temp file saved by the external editor? S-nail hasn't crashed. It is still running and able to respond to commands. Stephen Isard
[S-mailx] imap disconnection
Hello Steffen, What does s-nail do when an imap server breaks connection? I am asking on behalf of a friend in another country who has been finding that when he writes a long message in an external editor, he often gets an error message s-nail: IMAP write error: error::lib(0):func(0):reason(0) on leaving the external editor, and his edits are lost. He is on a somewhat flaky imap server, and I am guessing that the error message means that the server has dropped the connection, but I don't see why that should prevent s-nail from reading the externally edited temp file back into its buffer. Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] Intermittent smtp auth failures
|But the continuation doesn't cause a problem for s-nail. That's the |server which succeeds. It's apparently something else that causes |failures with 8.15.2. Well i yet have not yet seen a single log that makes sense or describes what you say. The only full log i have seen was s-nail: >>> AUTH GSSAPI ... s-nail: >>> SERVER: 334 ... s-nail: GSSAPI error: gss_init_sec_context / An invalid name was supplied s-nail: GSSAPI error: gss_init_sec_context / Success That is what I get from the problem server with verbose=2 set. I have never seen a success from that server with verbose=2 set, so I can't show you a log of it succeeding. I do sometimes succeed _without_ verbose=2, but then there is no log. That was why I referred to the uncertainty principle - trying to observe the phenomenon appears to change it. and that is a totally different error than what we now seem to have to deal with, no? No. You say that having two SERVER: 334 lines violates rfcs, but I only see them in cases where the message goes through. So even if they are a technical violation, they don't appear to be a problem for s-nail. |Correct. Alpine does not fail. I have just tried it in debug mode with |the 8.15.2 server and I see the same thing as with s-nail on the |(successful) 8.14.7 server: | |IMAP DEBUG 19:31:15 8/17: 334 |IMAP DEBUG 19:31:15 8/17: |IMAP DEBUG 19:31:15 8/17: 334 Just like that s-nail: >>> SERVER: 334 s-nail: >>> s-nail: >>> SERVER: 334 Yes. the Alpine log for the problem server is the same as the s-nail log for the good server. you have shown last, which is different to the initial thing. Sorry, I don't know what you mean here. Which initial thing? You show the error in the first, but not in the second, and the second is different to the first. No??? Again, I am getting lost. I started this thread saying that I could sometimes, but not always, send through the problem server. You made the sensible request that I send you a log from a success and a log from a failure so that you could try to figure out what was going wrong. I tried to do that, but I couldn't, because there is never a success with that server when logging is turned on. I did manage a success from a different server with logging turned on and showed you the log, but you don't like it because it has two 334 lines. Nevertheless, it is what got printed during a successful send from s-nail. I can't think of anything else to say about the problem, so I suggest we drop it unless/until one of us has a new idea. I am sure other list subscribers will be glad. Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] Intermittent smtp auth failures
|If I telnet to the (successful) server, it responds with |Sendmail 8.14.7/8.14.7. The problem server says Sendmail 8.15.2. Thanks. Well ... to me this looks like a server error for now. In the meantime i have had a short glance at RFC 4954, and it seems to me 334 is not even continuable, not to talk about doing "334 " twice, it then really should be "334-" plus "334 ". But the continuation doesn't cause a problem for s-nail. That's the server which succeeds. It's apparently something else that causes failures with 8.15.2. noone else ever encountered that? Does seem strange. Maybe the combination of s-nail, gssapi and 8.15.2 isn't all that common. Well tomorrow i could look into Alpine, if you say that this does NOT fail? Just wondering... Correct. Alpine does not fail. I have just tried it in debug mode with the 8.15.2 server and I see the same thing as with s-nail on the (successful) 8.14.7 server: IMAP DEBUG 19:31:15 8/17: 334 IMAP DEBUG 19:31:15 8/17: IMAP DEBUG 19:31:15 8/17: 334 Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] Intermittent smtp auth failures
On Tue, 17 Aug 2021, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: |I tried setting verbose=2 for the successful server and saw that the |server's reply to AUTH GSSAPI was broken over two lines. That is, I see | |s-nail: >>> SERVER: 334 |s-nail: >>> |s-nail: >>> SERVER: 334 | |On the unsuccessful server, the error message comes right after the |first SERVER: 334 line. I am not absolutely certain, but it looks to me |as if the first lines of characters are the same length in the two |cases. | |Does this give you anything to go on? Hm well, there is a notion on such things with SMTP authentication, IR (immediate response) for example. The above however .. i have to look around to give an answer, i have not looked in these RFCs for a long time. My gut says the above is not right, especially with the repeated status. Normally server uses 334-TEXT but for the last line, which then would be "334 TEXT", _if_ splitting _this_ very response is allowed. But two times "334 TEXT" is definetely wrong. Ok, but what I'm seeing comes from s-nail's verbose mode, not directly from the server, so perhaps it's s-nail leaving out the '-' ? May i ask what software this is? If I telnet to the (successful) server, it responds with Sendmail 8.14.7/8.14.7. The problem server says Sendmail 8.15.2. Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] Intermittent smtp auth failures
On Tue, 17 Aug 2021, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: I will spin up a VM this evening and try again. I cannot remember ever seeing such a problem. You are using 14.9.21? I've tried several versions, but the tests I just reported were with the 14.9.22 rpm (s-nail-14.9.22-3.el7.x86_64) on Scientific Linux 7 (clone of Centos 7, clone of RHEL 7). To try with the patch you supplied, I compiled from the 14.9.22 tarball on SL 7. The smtp server responds with ESMTP, but I don't know what program it is running. The problem is in the authentication, not the message transmission itself. If I set up an ssh tunnel to port 25 on the same server (my kerberos ticket allows me to do that) and then set mta=smtp://localhost:, mail goes through. My problem with that solution is that the tunnel doesn't last very long and I have to keep reconnecting. Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] Intermittent smtp auth failures
On Mon, 16 Aug 2021, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: Uh. ! Thanks, yes, take care for the GSSAPI content .. I don't know enough of GSSAPI, but to be all safe i personally would now kdestroy and kinit again. Done that, although I thought that it wouldn't be much use without knowing the server. The tickets were due to expire soon anyway. Yes i am sorry, i should have been more clear. What would be interesting would be a possible difference in between the two tries of which only one succeeds. That's what I understood you to mean. But setting verbose seems to guarantee failure. I wasn't expecting that, but... Now that is very strange, then. Verbosity should not change a thing, possibly except we would talk about a race condition, where the I/O delay due to the verbose log changes some timing. The whole business is very strange. I bet that |s-nail: GSSAPI error: gss_init_sec_context / An invalid name was |supplied |s-nail: GSSAPI error: gss_init_sec_context / Success one of those is from the failed attempt, the other not. No. I get both lines before having any success. Hmm. Well and you are sure that nothing in the URL you use changes in between the calls? This is the only thing that actually comes from the MUA here. Well, the URL is smtp.blah.blah and I suppose there could be several machines taking turns using that alias. I could give you a patch for .. whatever version you now use, one that debug outputs those things, and you could tell whether something has changed or not. You had to compile it anew of course. Basically it would be adding fprintf(stderr, "HOST: l=%lu s<%s>\nCRED: USER: l=%lu s<%s>\n", urlp->url_host.l, urlp->url_host.s, credp->cc_user.l, credp->cc_user.s); right at the beginning of ... ie, search for "smtp@", and place it right in the next line, src/mx/net-gssapi.h is the file. Ok, added that in v. 14.9.22 and I can get both success and failure. But in both cases I see the exact same printout HOST: l= s CRED: USER: l= s On failure, the error message s-nail: SMTP server: 535 5.7.0 authentication failed follows, and on success, I just get a prompt. With verbose=2 set, I still haven't seen a success, but sometimes the server responds to the AUTH GSSAPI from s-nail with a big string of characters of its own, as in the previous message, and then s-nail adds s-nail: GSSAPI error: gss_init_sec_context / An invalid name was supplied s-nail: GSSAPI error: gss_init_sec_context / Success and sometimes the server responds to the AUTH GSSAPI with just SERVER: 535 5.7.0 authentication failed Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] Intermittent smtp auth failures
On Mon, 16 Aug 2021, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: Mysterious, i have not seen this once i tested with dovecot. And there should be no persistent data -- i assume you mean this happens from within the same instance, not two adjacent ones. Yes, correct. Same session. Get s-nail prompt, send message, get s-nail prompt, send second message. What happens if you increase debug aka look at what the actual communication says (set verbose=2)? The uncertainty principle kicks in. If I set verbose=2, I get (with names redacted to protect the innocent) s-nail: Credentials: host smtp.:587, user , pass '' s-nail: Forking child with spawn control: 'exec handled by caller' s-nail: Resolving host smtp.:587 ... done s-nail: Connecting to :587 ... connected. s-nail: >>> SERVER: 220 ESMTP s-nail: >>> EHLO localhost s-nail: >>> SERVER: 250- Hello [ip addr], pleased to meet you s-nail: >>> SERVER: 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES s-nail: >>> SERVER: 250-PIPELINING s-nail: >>> SERVER: 250-8BITMIME s-nail: >>> SERVER: 250-SIZE 31457280 s-nail: >>> SERVER: 250-DSN s-nail: >>> SERVER: 250-AUTH GSSAPI s-nail: >>> SERVER: 250-STARTTLS s-nail: >>> SERVER: 250-DELIVERBY s-nail: >>> SERVER: 250 HELP s-nail: >>> AUTH GSSAPI 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 s-nail: >>> SERVER: 334 YIGZBgkqhkiG9xIBAgICAG+BiTCBhqADAgEFoQMCAQ+iejB4oAMCARKicQRvbFOxOKr7BOd/xePbajWDN72zKtHHVM+NYeHA/535+q6SGtX4blMBAos67FfoO/rGiNCHmW2hZlCyzV1+FxJRbWcaaVXue7mfc97QN56G2l9KTEDxRu9YHreTuhj9WPR3idMAmSxpHI7ycwHfYGYJ s-nail: GSSAPI error: gss_init_sec_context / An invalid name was supplied s-nail: GSSAPI error: gss_init_sec_context / Success But if I then unset verbose, the message gets sent (one time). Stephen Isard
[S-mailx] Intermittent smtp auth failures
I start up s-nail on a mailbox and send myself a test message. Fine. It arrives. Then, without doing anything in between, I try to send exactly the same test message again and I get s-nail: SMTP server: 535 5.7.0 authentication failed I have the settings mta=myname@smtp.theirdomain:587 smtp-auth=gssapi from=myname@theirdomain and I have a kerberos ticket. The smtp server is some sort of linux machine, no involvement of Microsoft or Gmail. Evidently something changes between the first test message and the second, but I don't know what it could be. Sending through the same smtp server with the alpine mail program, there is no such problem. Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] ERROR prompt
On Thu, 3 Jun 2021, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: So the problem with Microsoft seems to be that they really want (even though it is documented nowhere) u...@outlook.com as the user And USER%40outlook.com won't do? Well i never used anything Microsoftish since 1999 I have managed to avoid it too, up to now. I have another question, nothing to do with Microsoft. Is there a way to get the line editor to wrap, rather than shifting the beginning of the line off the screen to the left? Some termcap setting perhaps? Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] ERROR prompt
On Thu, 3 Jun 2021, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: |But I don't want my prompt messed with when something is added to the |log. It's not that big a deal. Ok i removed it. Let's also no longer mutilate to US-ASCII, just pass through all bytes that come in (likely a problem only for filenames though). Will be in v14.10, with credit to you. Great. Thank you. People are outsourcing email like grazy it seems, just wondering that GMail was not chosen. Maybe they thought that if they were going to do something stupid, they should go all the way and be _really_ stupid. |Well, the "problem", such as it is, is that I am getting the error |marker, but there is no entry in the error log. That should be a "can't |happen" - the error marker is only supposed to appear when something is |added to the log. But it appears to be happening. Well, that problem is solved. Yes. Thanks again. And Ralph, that was a good suggestion, but this makes further investigation unnecessary. commit 6b394c7204 AuthorDate: 2014-03-01 15:08:37 +0100 Obsolete *autoinc* (keep only *newmail*) Apologies, I misinterpreted this as meaning "no more autoinc, now you have to use the newmail command". Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] ERROR prompt
On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: I do not understand your problem really. This string can only be seen if an entry was added to the error log. In a newer version you could "set errors-limit=0" and that should be it. I like the idea of an error log that I can consult if I feel I need to. But I don't want my prompt messed with when something is added to the log. It's not that big a deal. I am frustrated and out of ideas. All i know is that our login procedure is correct, it surely is for the development version. Am out really now, very late, want to drive some bicycle. Yes, the login procedure is correct, and I am able to log in. Of course I have no idea why you are not able to log in to your account. I didn't set up this account myself. It was forced on me when people who ought to know better outsourced their email system to Microsoft. And I'm going for a bike ride too. | The initial error report isn't a serious problem, it's just messy. I do not understand the problem. I cannot login. The error marker only happens if there were errors. Well, the "problem", such as it is, is that I am getting the error marker, but there is no entry in the error log. That should be a "can't happen" - the error marker is only supposed to appear when something is added to the log. But it appears to be happening. By the way, separate issue entirely, there used to be an 'autoinc' setting that automatically checked for new mail every so often, rather than making you do 'newmail' by hand. Any chance of getting it back? Stephen Isard
Re: [S-mailx] ERROR prompt
On Tue, 1 Jun 2021, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: |S-nail v14.9.15 under Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS Pretty old and buggy. Sorry, it's the most recent available in the repository for this distribution. So i just completed my registration for a free account there at outlook.office365.com, but whatever i do i cannot get in via this little MUA .. even with the current development version. (I was short before saying "set imap-auth=oauthbearer", which actually is XOAUTH2, but that does not seem to help.) Yes, all i get is s-nail: >>> SERVER: T4 NO AUTHENTICATE failed. for IMAP It's bad enough that I am being forced to use Outlook, I don't really want to subject you to it as well. If you could just tell me how to stop that screaming ERROR# from appearing in my prompt, that would be great. For the record, though, I should have mentioned that I am prompted for a password after giving the s-nail command. And when I run with -vv, I see s-nail: TLS BLAKE2s256 fingerprint: separated by colons> s-nail: TLS connection using TLSv1.2 / ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 s-nail: P(seudo)R(andom)N(umber)G(enerator): *TLS RAND_* s-nail: >>> SERVER: * OK The Microsoft Exchange IMAP4 service is ready. [] s-nail: >>> T1 CAPABILITY s-nail: >>> SERVER: * CAPABILITY IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 AUTH=PLAIN AUTH=XOAUTH2 SASL-IR UIDPLUS ID UNSELECT CHILDREN IDLE NAMESPACE LITERAL+ s-nail: >>> SERVER: T1 OK CAPABILITY completed. s-nail: >>> T2 LOGIN "" "" s-nail: >>> SERVER: T2 OK LOGIN completed. s-nail: >>> T3 SELECT "INBOX" and so on There is also a bunch of stuff about certificates of depths 2,1,0, but any certificates present came with the Ubuntu distribution and are nothing that I have done personally for this Outlook account. That reminds me. Your Alpine just "can"? Yes, Alpine connects to it, and if it hits the same error as S-nail, it doesn't tell me about it. An Android app called K-9 Mail (a Mutt lookalike) also manages to connect. And, as I said, S-nail connects too. The initial error report isn't a serious problem, it's just messy. Stephen Isard
[S-mailx] ERROR prompt
Guten Tag, S-nail v14.9.15 under Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS When I connect to the mail spool file on the local machine, everything is fine. When I connect to an Outlook account with s-nail -f imaps://some_acco...@office365.outlook.com, I get connected and the contents of my mailbox is displayed correctly, but I am told There are new messages in the error message ring (denoted by ERROR), s-nail: which can be managed with the `errors' command and the prompt is preceded by ERROR# . If I give the command errors show all I get is 1/1There are new messages in the error message ring (denoted by ERROR), 2/1 which can be managed with the `errors' command The prompt then goes back to normal. So is there actually an error, and, if so, how do I find out what it is? Is there a way of turning off the behavior that sticks ERROR# in front of the prompt? I don't think I want it even if an error has occurred. Thanks, Stephen Isard
Re: [S-nail] [ANN]ounce of S-nail v14.8.13 («Cyrustrupidae»)
On Fri, 21 Oct 2016, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: > Disclaimer: i never used IMAP as an employee or whatever, > i installed a local dovecot and went ahead, only with S-nail and > Heirloom mailx, so i have _no idea_ what other MUAs do to hide (or > don't hide) the IMAP standard "INBOX". My test account now has > > set folder=imap://user1@localhost/Mail > set inbox=+ > > And that ends up in INBOX, i think this is right? That doesn't work for me. I get IMAP error: Mailbox doesn't exist: Mail/INBOX The reason, I think, is that on the server I have had problems with, there is no INBOX file in the Mail subdirectory. The server is a general purpose linux machine running openSUSE 42.1, with lots of users. Each user has a Mail subdirectory containing their mbox, trash, etc. folders, but their inbox, the place where mail is initially delivered, is in some system spool directory, like /var/spool/mail/username. (A curious by-product of this arrangement is that users have huge mail quotas, larger than their file quotas.) I have never configured dovecot myself, but from what you say, it sounds as if you have set it up to make your inbox be a file called INBOX in your own Mail directory. The administrators of the server I am using have done it differently. That's all ok in 14.8.14, because I can specify set inbox=imaps://username@servername/INBOX to identify my inbox, wherever they have put it. So just keep it this way and you won't hear from me on the subject again, which will undoubtedly be a relief to the other readers of this list. Stephen Isard -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot __ S-nail-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [S-nail] [ANN] of S-nail v14.8.12 («Bubas»)
On Thu, 6 Oct 2016, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: > > Yes, that special treatment of *folder* for IMAP has to go, if you > have set it to a Maildir or directory with MBOXes then this > doesn't override $MAIL and "automatically `cd's to *folder*", too. > Stephen's idea was that of introducing a new *inbox* variable, > which overrides $MAIL if set, and which it is that will be opened > upon startup / `account' switch. I think we will go that route. I keep coming back to the fact that mailx has been working just fine with this imap account for the past ten years or so. I agree that having to replace Mail/ (or whatever trails the servername) with INBOX in the code looks hacky (and I don't know how Gunnar discovered that it was the solution). But couldn't s-nail do what mailx does just for the sake of backward compatibility, as well as implementing the new more rational scheme? Stephen Isard -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot __ S-nail-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [S-nail] [ANN] of S-nail v14.8.12 («Bubas»)
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016, Steffen Nurpmeso steffen-at-sdaoden.eu |s-nail| wrote: hereby i announce S-nail v14.8.12, the «Bubas». ... 788aad0 url_parse(): better take better care for path parts (Stephen Isard).. Sorry to report that it still doesn't work for my problem imap server. This is a linux machine where the inbox is at /var/spool/mail/username and the mail folders are in the user's own file space at ~/Mail. The account definition includes the line: set folder=imaps://username@servername/Mail/ Mailx copes with this by making username@servername/Mail the folder directory, and replacing the trailing Mail/ by INBOX for the inbox. s-nail-14.8.12 is failing to strip off Mail/ and I am getting the error message IMAP error: Mailbox doesn't exist: Mail/INBOX Stephen Isard-- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot__ S-nail-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31
On Wed, 14 Sep 2016, Donald Mugnai donaldmugnai-at-gmail.com |s-nail| wrote: > How do you "configure the way the headline is displayed with the variable > of the same name[1]" In the s-nail.rc file? All I want to get is a correct > timestamp for my messages instead of Dec 31. Is this a configuration > issue? If so, what do you configure? What is name[1]? Thanks Try putting the line set datefield in your .mailrc file. Stephen Isard -- __ S-nail-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31
On Tue, 13 Sep 2016, Donald Mugnai donaldmugnai-at-gmail.com |s-nail| wrote: ... > "/home/don/Maildir": 3 messages 1 new > O 1 DonWed Dec 31 19:00 14/450 test > O 2 DonWed Dec 31 19:00 15/501 NewTest >> N 3 DonWed Dec 31 19:00 14/469 test with donmail ... What does the command grep "^From " /home/don/Maildir give you? Stephen Isard -- __ S-nail-users@lists.sourceforge.net
[S-nail] imap account problem
Hello,
I have an imap account to which I can connect with mailx but not s-nail.
In the account definition in my .mailrc, I have
account XX {
set folder=imaps://username@servername/Mail
blah
}
Running s-nail with -vv I see that I am logging in successfully with
gssapi, but then
T2 OK Logged in
>>> T3 SELECT "Mail/"
T3 NO [CANNOT] Invalid mailbox name
With mailx I get
T2 OK Logged in
>>> T3 SELECT "INBOX"
and everything is ok.
The Mail subdirectory in my home directory on that machine contains
several mail folders (spam, etc.), but not my INBOX. I don't know where
the INBOX is stored. Perhaps in the machine's /var/spool/mail, but I
don't have the right permissions to look there. The imap server
announces itself as dovecot.
Anyway, mailx is doing the right thing for that imap server, but s-nail
is not.
Stephen Isard
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Re: [S-nail] Format of ~/dead.letter isn't mbox.
On Sat, 27 Aug 2016, Ralph Corderoy ralph-at-inputplus.co.uk |s-nail| wrote: > The ~/dead.letter created by s-nail's mail(1) isn't mbox format. It's > just a catenation of email bodies over time. (snip)... I've checked sendmail/deliver.c's mailfile()and it writes mbox (snip)... > So I guess I'm asking if anyone knows the history of this discrepancy? The s-nail behaviour is the same as that of current mailx and I'm pretty sure of all versions of Gunner Ritter's nail, from which mailx descends. My memory could be faulty, but I think I remember the mail program of the unix from Bell Labs on a pdp11-40 behaving the same way in 1975. That predates sendmail; mail could only go to other users of the same machine. I think the intention was that you could read the text back into a new message that you were composing. See the ~d command. Having headers in the file would make that messy. I don't personally care one way or the other, but you asked for history... Stephen Isard -- __ S-nail-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [S-nail] Temporary restrictions with new builtin line editor on [next]
On Wed, 6 Apr 2016, Ralph Corderoy ralph-at-inputplus.co.uk |s-nail| wrote: > Hi, > > Martin wrote: >> What I (and a colleague of mine) never understood: what's the point >> of the s-nail line-editor? > > Being new to the list, I've been wondering that too. ~e and ~v are > available. ~h lets one cursor through the field. And if it is wanted, > aren't there's BSD-compatible libraries that provide GNU readline-like > behaviour? My recollection is that it started with people wanting file completion for attachments and directory name completion for changing folders. I still think that wrapping rlwrap around the s-nail command is good enough and including readline code in s-nail itself isn't necessary. Stephen Isard -- __ S-nail-users@lists.sourceforge.net
