Some of it may have been the time and money, but I think more of it was
director's aesthetic tastes. In watching The Book of Eli a couple of weeks
ago, I was impressed at how the Hughes brothers had more of an old school take
on cinematography. The fight scenes were brief but brutal, and I
no mention of Augments in the Mirror Universe. Again, they still had Cochran in
all but rags, still had the ragtag group in Montana, so one assumes they were
at the same level as Kirk's Earth. And the Enterprise only had hull plating, no
shields, which again makes it odd...
- Original
Something odd strikes me about the BSG/Caprica worlds: no black men in
significant positions. I missed the last couple years of BSG, but I remember
noting the curious lack of black men in anything but background roles. I think
there was one reporter on that ship were political events were held,
One of the 12 was black. He was an important character in the first 2
seasons, and the Plan. There was also a minor character that had been
captured and escaped, but that didn't go anywhere. There were also several
that were pilots on the transports.
Also there were a couple on the other
I think that the European style of movies is just what they are used to
seeing. We have had music in fight scenes since sound in film here. I think
that there's too much dependence on special effects and over compensating of
movement. A lot of the stuff we see now is after 15 years of
http://www.jsonline.com/features/technology/83655377.html
Role playing shot down in 'Mass Effect' sequel
Posted: Feb. 6, 2010
Mass Effect 2 came out late last month. It's a game for the Xbox 360 and
Windows PCs set in an original science fiction universe full of aliens, epic
struggles and
This reminds me of Daniel Graystone using the virtual DNA of his daughter
Amanda (Caprica) and the ethical questions involved therein. Devastating
story.
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www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/ct-perspec-0207-henrietta-20100205,0,4616234.story
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Immortal, yet
Ah, but that's my point: none of them had pivotal roles or were memorable. You
had to refresh my memory that one of the 12 was black, and I do remember that
one that escaped too. But again, no black men have had major roles in either
series.
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From: Mr. Worf
Hey Guys,
American Gothic is on Chiller for the next few hours. I was very much into this
series (but never into Twin Peaks oddly enough) and somewhat amazed that it
made it past a pitch session onto TV even if it was cancelled after one season.
Produced by our buddy Sam Raimi it featured
It's all about American filmmakers always trying to put out quick product that
makes a lot of quick money, is easily digestible by young men, lends itself to
DVD releases, and isn't too complicated. And it's about a perceived idea that
subsequent generations won't sit still for the same thing
Loved it and watched it from day one. Gary Cole was great and menacing, and
Lucas Black was quite a find. I agree with you he hasn't quite reached the
potential he showed in American Gothic and Sling Blade. I was really
excited to see where he'd go. He has such an intense personality. But
Jeez, guys...There are so many of these shows I have never seen an episode of I
feel out of place in these discussions...How's it going?
Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie
--- On Sun, 2/7/10, Keith Johnson
Oh wow, I forgot all about Shaun Cassidy. I think your idea about him and
Whedon are right on the mark!
Aubrey Leatherwood
www.aubreyleatherwood.com
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Dime
Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart?
Imperfection
A tale of perfect commitment, perfect
Not meaning to be harsh, guys, but like I siad when I first joined this group:
If you want to see black folks in sci-fi and horror, write them! I've seen a
lot of your work, guys, and from some of the intelligent threads I've been
reading in the group, we have a lot of potential great
Don't feel bad! There's plenty I've never heard of either. Places like this
help us discover things, y'know.
Aubrey Leatherwood
www.aubreyleatherwood.com
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Dime
Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart?
Imperfection
A tale of perfect commitment,
Yeah, Cassidy is really talented. He has a gift for working the suspenseful,
spooky side of things. Do you recall the shocking murder in the first ep of
American Gothic? You *never* see anything like that on American television!
There were some genuinely creepy moments in Invasion as well. I
I think HBO would be great for them. God save me from TruBlood (sorry fans).
I did see the first episode of American Gothic and it was shocking. Just think
about the premise in its entirety though, the central anti-character Buck is a
supernatural, serial-killing, master manipulator,
No, you're right, it's my belief as well. I went to see Princess and the Frog
yesterday. I really liked it, but was upset--as I anticipated--at a bit of
cowardice on Pixar's part. To wit: not making the male romantic lead a black
man (he's some odd darker-skinned color with straight hair and
Aubrey, it was on CBS. Just tried to check it out (in vain, because DirecTV
doesn't carry it). Was a fun little show. I saw the entire run first time
through, have the DVD set on my To Buy List.
If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the
Can I also add, that the school teacher slash evil minion is a pretty scary
chick. Love her.
Aubrey Leatherwood
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Dime
Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart?
Imperfection
A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and
Cassidy and Whedon would be a team-up for the ages, Keith.
And Black did that piece of dreck, The Fast and The Furious: Tokyo Drift.
(shudder)
If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant
Don't think I'll be eating supper tonight...
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Oh, yeah. Why weren't there any evil chicks like her when I was at World
Domination U?
If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From:
On a final note!!! I just watched the episode titled Inhumanitas which reminds
me of a couple more reasons why I love this show. Lucas is evil but I swear he
has this weird sense of justice that I just love. People sit on the fence,
right on top of it wanting to do the right thing but feeling
Oh Martin, you were at WDU? What year? :)
Aubrey Leatherwood
www.aubreyleatherwood.com
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Dime
Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart?
Imperfection
A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex.
The People You Know, The Sex They Have
Keith, I think you once said that too many of today's movie directors grew up
in the Video Music Era, and the Crazy-Cut Technique is all they know. Too many
of the Old Guard have either hung up their chairs or are only able to direct
every five to ten years, owing to age. It's an era which,
Mr Worf, that's a powerful thought. Again, I'm hoping that H'Wood is trolling
here, to spot that idea for a movie exploration. (As long as you get paid, of
course. :-) )
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Say that last again, please! When I heard (again, I believe, from Keith, but
please correct an old man if he's wrong) that Edward Norton got the final cut
on American History X, cutting the director out of the process altogether, I
lost most of my respect for the man as an actor.
If all the
So that's why they've been mentioning connections all throughout this!
If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From:
Class of '64, just before I was born. At conception, they saw potential in me.
:-)
If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From:
I noticed that too, Aubrey. One of my mentors growing up was the Jesuit priest
who christened me, and he always believed that there was an innate balancing
act going on behind the scenes between Good and Evil. I'm seeing small cases of
that in the lives of the people immediately about me.
Damnit man, I didn't get inducted until I was six years old and eschewing
kindergarten in favor of Amateur Weather-Event Mechanism Design 101 fondly
referred to as Intro to WMDs.
Aubrey Leatherwood
www.aubreyleatherwood.com
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Dime
Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or
I'm with you on Ronin as well. That chase scene is what I used to sell seeing
the movie to many of my co-workers after I took it in at the theaters.
When it comes to chase scenes, my personal all-time fave is from another
Frankenheimer work, The Seven-Ups. The scene begins with Roy Scheider's
He said that it wasn't the physicality of the act, but the concept of police
brutality, something he was fervently against at the time.
If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant
Cindy Margolis in TV is more of a waste of good digital signals, IMO.
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(shrugs)
Can't help myself. Just have this innate ruthlessness. ;-)
If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From:
I think that their selling out has little to do with choice. Most feel
pressured to do the bigger money maker over something more artistic. What I
think happens is that they think that if they make a few money makers they
can make more artistic smaller films later. The problem is that may backfire
We end up with ADD style directors or mumblecore as style of direction. The
fight scene in Eli reminded me of the fight scene in Oldboy.
On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Martin Baxter
truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote:
Keith, I think you once said that too many of today's movie directors grew
Yea that is an actor with too much pull. That is totally crazy to me that
the actor's opinion can outweigh the directors so much. But if I remember
correctly it isn't the first time nor will it be the last. There are certain
actors in the past that used to muscle the director. Sinatra for example.
Anything is possible.
On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Martin Baxter
truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote:
Mr Worf, that's a powerful thought. Again, I'm hoping that H'Wood is
trolling here, to spot that idea for a movie exploration. (As long as you
get paid, of course. :-) )
There probably should have been a major black male, but the series was
obviously skewed more towards the power of women. There were several women
of color in major roles.
On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote:
Ah, but that's my point: none of them had
Yeah, it makes me worried. I think of the Hughes brothers, who showed that
ability in The Book of Eli, and Kathryn Bigelow for The Hurt Locker. None
of them are under 40...
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From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
To: SciFiNoir2
I was just discussing The Seven-Ups last night, and how much I like that
film. Roy Scheider is the connection between it and The French Connection.
Great chase scene indeed.
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From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
To: SciFiNoir2
Then I wonder if the racism of Popeye Doyle bothered him? I forgot how casually
racist people could be in films back in those days. Quite a bit of guinea
thrown around at a black man, nig--- applied liberally, and a healthy dose of
scornful spi-- to describe some Latino dudes who of course
Never heard anything from him on the racism angle. Never took him for a racist,
because he's worked many times with Black actors, and no such complaints have
been heard about him. At least not by me.
If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the
If TCM were to do the Six Degrees game with all of their movies, the variety
could be without end.
If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
To:
Which puts Eli right back at the top of the Must-See List.
If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date:
http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/news/2010-02-04-pinkney04_CV_N.htm
By Bob Minzesheimer, USA TODAY
CROTON-ON-HUDSON, N.Y. As a child in an all-black Philadelphia neighborhood,
Jerry Pinkney loved to draw and paint. But, he says, I didn't have the
slightest clue that anyone could make a
When I was a kid it was a big complaint about that film. A lot of people
boycotted it here because of the negative portrayal of black people. If I
remember correctly the trailer talked about him being a bigot.
On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote:
Then
I loved it too. I was a big fan. The alcoholic doctor, is on Medium now. I
like his character. I thought Shaun Cassidy the guy who did Invasion was
the Producer of American Gothic? I never heard of Chiller. I will have to
look for it.
What's the kid, Lucas black up to these days ?
Amazing. Thanks for the post, rave!
If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 22:42:49
The one was little more than an extra. Unlike every other cylon, he had no
storylines devoted to his character and in at least two episodes that he
appeared in, he did not even have lines
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Keith Johnson
Sent:
I’m a big fan of Cassidy. If I see his name on it, I’m going to check it out.
I wish he did more work
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:25 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:
I think Cassidy and Whedon should try HBO and Showtime. But who knows, maybe
that have and did not get their work accepted
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:25 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Ironically, FX sticks with stuff for a while
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:22 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon
Yeah, Cassidy is
I just got home and I am just seeing your messages, so please forgive me if
you see messages that I repeat what you saidf. Great minds think alike.
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Aubrey Leatherwood
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:31 AM
Tracey, if the latter was true, then the work must've been *very* sub-par in
comparison to their usual standards.
If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
To:
As a real life devotee of the Greek gods, I HAVE to see this show.
Absolutely HAVE to.
As long as they don't Xena it later (ie., suddenly the religion is evil, the
gods are horrible and in order to save the world everyone must become a
monotheist *projectile vomits*) I'm REALLY thrilled that this
I was on a panel at a scifi/fantasy con called Women in Science Fiction
and as a panelist, this is pretty much what I concluded/begged/declared.
Women and minorities both draw the short straw in scifi, and it drives me
more than a bit batshit. It's also made me realize that I need to contribute
Because it is thoroughly entrenched into their modern world, the monotheists
would be looked at more like a weird cult. I'm not sure if they are going to
take the approach as if the monotheists are a parallel to Islam or not. It
has been done before.
I hope that they develop the society more. It
Adrianne, I write Afrocentric from my protagonists' standpoint, but my
supporting characters are of all races, drawing from my own past. In defense of
Caucasian writers, they may not be able to bridge that divide for the same
reason. There simply may be no one of color in their circle for them
I lot of writers used to be on the list way back when. Many of them do not
related to TV and even film and told me they felt out of sorts. So I
started a literature groups which did pretty well. When I got sick and
suffered brain trauma I pretty much abandoned both the TV and film list and
the
I think Caucasian writers never think of people of color unless they
socialize with them. How else do we end up with tv shows like Seinfeld and
Friends? NYC is extremely diverse and yet you have two examples of a show
where even the extras are 98% white.
On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Martin
I think it's a nifty idea. A shame it's still going the polytheists versus
monotheists route; it'd be great to finally just show people shaking hands
and be done with it.
~ Where love and magic meet ~
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Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series:
Frankly, that both scares and appalls me. The way I see it, if I can write
about men I can write about other people, too. Heck, I can write about the
Victorian period. I have no experience with the Victorian period, right?
Just do the appropriate research.
In one of my manuscripts I have no
I think that when they decided to take that approach it was to shine a
mirror on American society. Five years ago the Christian Fundamentalists
were in the news (Palin, Bush etc.) more and their effects could be felt on
the candidates of the election. I am sure that they were drawing from that.
Actually I'd chalk it up to fear. Fear of doing something
un-PC/racist/inaccurate in the process and get slammed for it. And it's
really a shame. Unfortunately race is such a loaded issue people would
rather avoid it than tackle it head on.
As far as what I'm working on at present, here's a good
That makes sense, actually. There's a lot of good you can do with that
plotline if done the right way.
~ Where love and magic meet ~
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Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon
Dare to take The Oath in this erotic
I think that its not that they are afraid of getting heat from doing
something wrong but it just never dawn on them to write anything other than
what they already know. Basically, a white male writes about white males, a
white woman writes about white women. There are exceptions (Tarantino, Law
I'm having trouble thinking of examples of a story where we haven't been
immersed into stories that have similarities American culture.
On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com
wrote:
That makes sense, actually. There's a lot of good you can do with that
Maybe the NAACP needs to step in and I'm not being a smart-a** either.
BTW when will BET release the Black Panther cartoon?
From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, February 7, 2010 8:50:33 PM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2]
I think I'm slightly braver than most writers, and certainly seeking to
broaden my palette. I actually do write about men and those all over the
GLBT spectrum. I just take it from the standpoint that they're people like
any other person and don't write about stereotypes.
~ Where love and magic
Ugh, may the reviewer please speak for himself? I should write him with a
million links to a million Hellenic polytheist organizations. :P
I heard somewhere that the evil corporate conspiracy was Fox's brainchild
foisted onto Joss, who had to scramble to make it work. :(
~ Where love and magic
Truth to that, but I honestly think a lot of these dudes just don't know how to
shoot a film. G.I. Joe, the Rise of Cobra, for example. The subject matter
and stuff would have done the same money regardless of how the action was shot.
But the camera work was atrocious: scene shifts so fast they
So Oldboy has good fight scenes? I was completely caught off guard at the
first fight scene in Eli. The way it was silhouetted, the quick and brutal
nature of it, but the fact that I could follow everything--it was heaven to me
in this ADD world in movie direction.
- Original Message
Yeah, I hear you, but I'm focused on brothers today. Besides, with no black
*men* around, who do the Sisters hook up with?
- Original Message -
From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 4:46:05 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Yeah, isn't that what United Artists' goal was: to allow the actors to control
their own fates? and didn't Tom Cruise recently buy into trying to revive that
system? I think it depends on the actors. I trust actors with old school
sensibilities: Redford, Clooney, Denzel, Freeman, DiCaprio,
Funny! My fav lines come from Shaft. When Shaft is oh-so-coolly addressing
the police captain, the captain's lieutenant is sorely ticked that his boss is
treating Shaft with respect. He feels Shaft's attitude is one of dismissal.
When Shaft decides he wants to leave--having the temerity *not*
He's pretty true to life for white cops of that time. I mean, one minute he's
using the n-word, the next he's laughing with a fellow black cop. Brings back
memories: growing up in Texas in the '70s, my life was full of white friends
and teachers with that same schizophrenic view of race
Exactly, that's why I mentioned them. Cassidy is also not a director who needs
a lot of money for FX and sets. He likes to do plot-driven stuff, so i think
his talents would work with one of the cable stations that can stick with a
show for a time. The so-called broadcast networks are just to
that's what I thought. It really, really bothered me on the prison ship, where
the place was lousy with big, bald, black men. And then, Admiral Cain's guards
all being black and scowling--made me quite angry. On Caprica, Greystone told
his black bodyguard/driver to go get the car when his wife
I agree Tracey, but H'wood has little room for his unique type of talents.
Maybe the BBC?
- Original Message -
From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 6:35:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Somewhere in America, a grateful, ecstatic man is about to make love to his
wife, 'cause life is good!. Somewhere in America, a giddy man is saying Honey!
We're going out to eat tomorrow: Red Lobster!. Somewhere, a relieved guy is
putting away money for his kids' college funds, and now realizes
I know Moore set trends with Sisco on DS9 with regards to Blacks men having
power on TV, but I’ve begun to think that was a fluke resulting from him
inheriting Sisco.I think he has some issues with us, but believes himself
to be enlightened in this regard. The only evidence to the
Yes. There are two good fight scenes in the movie after he is released from
captivity. There is one long fight where he takes on all of the henchmen for
one of the bosses that he was tracking. It was in a basement and a slow side
scroll to it. He only had his fists when he came in but he fought
I agree with you and Astro. I'm a big believer in the concept of FUBU--For Us
By Us. I think no one can tell the stories of women, blacks, Asians, etc.,
better than those of us in those groups. So in that way, Astro is right: we
need to write, produce, finance, and control more of our own
Maybe we need to start adding some more lit discussions here? If nothing else,
some of us who write can start talking more, even if it's offline...
- Original Message -
From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February
A lot of this is *having* to leave your comfort zone. There's a saying in
Hollywood, Women and girls will see movies with men and boys, but men and boys
won't see movies with women and girls.
I have always expanded that to include the H'Wood sentiment, People of color
will see films with white
That's cool to hear.
I think a lot of people are so entrenched in comfort zones of how the world is,
they have trouble accepting change. Some see it as a threat, when the real
threat to them is simply the *idea* of change, not any horrible results from
that change. A couple of years ago, I
We used to have lit discussions, It was about ½ lit, maybe a little less, but
if you do not watch TV or go to the movies much, so much on a subject that you
cannot relate to might be alienating, even if there is content that speaks to
you. This is the feedback that I got when people
I was thinking the same thing a bit ago, Tracey, while making myself a milk
shake (hey, it's my alcohol! Sugar free, of course!) I kept wondering how
BSG/Caprica can be so devoid of important black men when Moore and crew crafted
such a strong one in Sisko. I too wondered, did he simply inherit
Who or what is Carl Brandon?
Good point: Lit is tricky. We probably range all over the map. for example, i
read scifi and fantasy, but vampire/werewolf stuff isn't a fav of mine, yet a
lot of people here love it. Recent lists of books being read by Martin and B.
Smith were all but Greek to
WARNING SPOILERS BELOW
I remember two black women. Duella and the religious woman. The religious
woman was killed off before anything could be done with her character.
Duella’s character always bothered me. Most times, she seemed like a filler
character and was occasionally used to
I agree. It makes me laugh, rage, and damn near cry to hear people and pundits
like George Will claim the Tea Party represents all Americans. Amazing how they
continually explain away the ever-present racist and hate-filled signs at Tea
Party gatherings as small fringe members. Crazy they can
Those are the two women I was referencing, thanks, I'd forgotten Duella's name.
Could only remember her being called Dee. I used to listen to Moore's BSG
podcast. It was really good: every week he'd replay the entire show, and
comment on it. When the religious leader was killed, he actually
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