Re: Central Recall Comments

2013-09-06 Thread Ron Greenman
y plus million > units. The rest, as they say is history, and so was the venerable Central > Sprinkler Company. > Mark at Aero > > ----- Original Message - > From: Ron Greenman [mailto:rongreen...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 11:35 PM > To: s

Re: Central Recall Comments

2013-09-06 Thread Ron Greenman
I had always assumed that voluntary didn't mean voluntary on the part of the consumer anymore than any recall is, but voluntary on the part of Tyco, meaning CPSC reviewed and accepted Tyco's self-initiated plan. This took CPSC our of an enforcement loop and allowed Tyco to manage how the recall

Re: removing sprinkler on drop

2013-09-06 Thread Ron Greenman
> >>> > >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprin > >>> kl > >>> er.org > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Greg McGahan > >> Living Water Fire Protection, LLC <http://w

Re: Shoulder Nipple

2013-09-06 Thread Ron Greenman
> Scott > > (763) 425-1001 Office > (612) 759-5556 Cell > > -Original Message- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:19 PM &

Re: Shoulder Nipple

2013-09-06 Thread Ron Greenman
prinklerforum mailing list > >>>> Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > >>>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firespri > >>>> nkler.org > > > >>> ___ >

Re: removing sprinkler on drop

2013-09-05 Thread Ron Greenman
he ten thousandths place looks impressive but like in the joke where the young shepherd is ridiculed by his fellows for having relations with the ugliest goat, SO WHAT? Their still all having relations with goats. -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technic

Re: removing sprinkler on drop 'QR'

2013-09-05 Thread Ron Greenman
o.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > ___

Re: Massive warehouse fire in NJ hampered by roof top solar panels

2013-09-03 Thread Ron Greenman
kr.com/photos/photodave85/sets/72157635350726055/ > > > > > > > > ___ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.o

Re: Fire Pump with storage tank

2013-09-03 Thread Ron Greenman
eer | Fargo, ND | direct: 701.552.9905 | mobile: 701.371.5759 | > http://www.kfiengineers.com > > -Original Message- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron > Greenman > Sent: Tuesd

Re: Small Chemical Storage Room

2013-09-03 Thread Ron Greenman
mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 rgreen...@bates.ct

Re: Fire Pump with storage tank

2013-09-03 Thread Ron Greenman
info.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > > er.org > > > > ___ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > > er.org > __

Re: Remedy for problem AHJ

2013-08-30 Thread Ron Greenman
> > ___ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinkl

Re: dry institutional pendent

2013-08-30 Thread Ron Greenman
> great idea and I would do scouting for them, but probably not going to > happen. > > Todd G Williams, PE > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > Stonington, CT > www.fpdc.com > > On Aug 30, 2013, at 11:24 AM, Ron Greenman wrote: > > > I'm feeling really stupi

Re: Protecting Pipe in unsprinklered space

2013-08-30 Thread Ron Greenman
gt; Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 rgreen...@bates.ctc.edu http://www.

Re: Remedy for problem AHJ

2013-08-30 Thread Ron Greenman
; > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.o > rg > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > &

Re: Remedy for problem AHJ

2013-08-30 Thread Ron Greenman
behind a > badge, not because they have command of the codes, ordinances and standards > that stand behind them. That's the problem. To question them when they > can't intelligently answer is a threat to exposing them. Therefor you are > met with anger and push back. Very frus

Re: SprinklerForum Reception at Convention

2013-08-30 Thread Ron Greenman
gt; ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Tec

Re: dry institutional pendent

2013-08-30 Thread Ron Greenman
firesprinkler.org > > ___ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > > > >

Re: Different K factor in each floor practical?

2013-08-23 Thread Ron Greenman
x27;t the sprinkler demand separate and not additive? > Similar to standpipe and sprinkler demands. I do a lot fire flow calc's for > Civil Engineers here and don't add the two together. > > Ron F > > -Original Message- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists

Re: Different K factor in each floor practical?

2013-08-21 Thread Ron Greenman
ors that are near to the > pump using smaller pipe size or pressure regulator valve? What is the usage > while it doesn't change calculation for water demand? > > Thanks for patience in answering! > Reza > Fluids Mechanical Engineer > www.sarian.ir > > > > ___

Re: WPIV

2013-08-21 Thread Ron Greenman
Bill, I'm surprised your water guys are letting you do this. Happy about it, but surprised. This side of the hills that wouldn't happen as the "listing" would void if you change the valve type/style that comes with the assembly. I even asked USC about this as the only difference between OS&Y, NR

Re: Different K factor in each floor practical?

2013-08-20 Thread Ron Greenman
call implies the tank size to be based upon the > hydraulically calculated demand where the calculation method is not > qualified to be anything other than how 13 requires a sprinkler demand > calculation to be done. > That calculation would reflect whatever the flow overage is for the rem

Re: Different K factor in each floor practical?

2013-08-14 Thread Ron Greenman
h was trying post-- think about the > additional complexity it would add to the original installation and future > modifications... and I thought I heard from far overhead "K.I.S.S., > K.I.S.S." :) ;) :) > > -Original Message- > From: Ron Greenman [mailto:rongreen..

Re: Different K factor in each floor practical?

2013-08-14 Thread Ron Greenman
t to reduce the size of pump and water > tank? What is the problem with Scenario 1? > Regards, > Reza > www.saeian.ir > > > > > > > > > From: Ron Greenman > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:14 PM > Subject: R

Re: Sleep on it!

2013-08-13 Thread Ron Greenman
ist >> >Sprinklerforum@lists.**firesprinkler.org >> >http://lists.firesprinkler.**org/listinfo.cgi/** >> sprinklerforum-firesprinkle<http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkle> >> >r.org >> > __**

Re: Different K factor in each floor practical?

2013-08-13 Thread Ron Greenman
gt; Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > &g

Re: High rise- non seismic zone - 2 water supplies?

2013-08-13 Thread Ron Greenman
; Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > >

Re: Minimum number of operating sprinklers

2013-08-12 Thread Ron Greenman
in the design area > shall > > never be less than five" How this number is calculated? while the above > > calculations indicated that the minimum is either 12 or 7. > > > > Thanks! > > Reza > > www.sarian.ir > > ___ > > Sprinklerforu

Re: vertical turbine pump problems

2013-08-07 Thread Ron Greenman
mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 rgreen...@bate

Re: Minimum number of operating sprinklers

2013-08-07 Thread Ron Greenman
__ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > h

Re: Special Situations (8.15)

2013-08-05 Thread Ron Greenman
plenum be enclosed with type "x" in order to > apply 8:15. For my own future reference is standard drywall considered > limited combustible in any case? > > > > Brian Harris, CET > > BVS Systems Inc. > > bvssytemsinc.com > > > > > > -Original Message-

Re: Special Situations (8.15)

2013-08-05 Thread Ron Greenman
2.1 & 8.15.1.2.2 > correctly I do not need to add a 3rd level of protection in this "plenum" > area correct? > > > > Brian Harris, CET > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.or

Re: Special Situations (8.15)

2013-08-05 Thread Ron Greenman
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Re: Assembly & Fire Sprinklers

2013-08-04 Thread Ron Greenman
ment. In particular > a restaurant with bar, no entertainment, just serves food. What would the > occupant load have to be to require fire sprinklers? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 4, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Ron Greenman wrote: > > > I believe A2 (when a nightclub) in

Re: Assembly & Fire Sprinklers

2013-08-04 Thread Ron Greenman
2013, at 10:42 AM, Ron Greenman wrote: > > > Depends on type of assembly. Nightclubs are much lower than say > > auditoriums. Also there is square footage, elevation in the building > (below > > grade, at grade, above grade), and local ordinances. > > > > >

Re: Assembly & Fire Sprinklers

2013-08-04 Thread Ron Greenman
um mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 rgreen...@bates.ctc.

Re: Fire Tank on Roof Without Fire Pump Possible?

2013-08-04 Thread Ron Greenman
://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Ron Gr

Re: Horizontal dry standpipe

2013-08-04 Thread Ron Greenman
making him install sprinklers per the County Fire Code. Don't know how it turned out or if it's even resolved yet. -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 rgreen...@bates.ctc.edu http://www.bates.ctc.edu/f

Re: SR vs QR

2013-08-02 Thread Ron Greenman
ahj is looking for. We changed 20 SR heads > in one compartment with new QR heads because they were painted or damaged > and now he wants calcs because we did not replace them with exactly the > same thing. > > He finally said that if we could show him they were identical except

Re: SR vs QR

2013-08-02 Thread Ron Greenman
_ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima

Re: SR vs QR

2013-08-02 Thread Ron Greenman
him of that!! > > > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Ron Greenman > wrote: > > > If they have the same nominal K they will calc exactly the same. > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Greg McGahan > > wrote: > > > > > These don sa

Re: SR vs QR

2013-08-02 Thread Ron Greenman
nts calcs because we did not replace them with exactly the > same thing. > > He finally said that if we could show him they were identical except for > response time he would allow them. > > > > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Ron Greenman > wrote: > > &g

Re: SR vs QR

2013-08-02 Thread Ron Greenman
ingwaterfp.com> > 1160 McKenzie Road > Cantonment, FL 32533 > 850-937-1850 > fax 850-937-1852 > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/spri

Re: Heat trace question

2013-08-02 Thread Ron Greenman
them ... > > Steve L. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron > Greenman > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 12:30 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firespr

Re: Heat trace question

2013-08-01 Thread Ron Greenman
http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > > er.org > > > > > > -- > Bobby Gillett > *Living Water Fire Protection, LLC* > 1160 McKenzie Rd. > Cantonment, FL 32533 > (850) 937-1850 > livingwaterfp.com <http://livingwaterfp

Re: Horizontal dry standpipe

2013-08-01 Thread Ron Greenman
r.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Ron Greenman In

Re: Valves on BFP

2013-08-01 Thread Ron Greenman
er > .org > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler > .org > ___ >

Re: Valves on BFP REPLY

2013-08-01 Thread Ron Greenman
ith the arrow??) to install the BFP?? (LOL) > > Regards to all. > > Jerry > accentf...@aol.com > (800) 503.1961 > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.or

Re: Horizontal dry standpipe

2013-08-01 Thread Ron Greenman
___ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.

Re: SIGN for Backflow Prevention Assembly Forward Flow Test

2013-08-01 Thread Ron Greenman
t; > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Tech

Re: Valves on BFP

2013-08-01 Thread Ron Greenman
_ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org

Re: Valves on BFP

2013-08-01 Thread Ron Greenman
___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > ______ > This email has been scanned

Re: Valves on BFP

2013-08-01 Thread Ron Greenman
gt; >> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > >> Subject: RE: Valves on BFP > >> > >> Zachary. Unless it was furnished by the manufacturer less valves. But > my understanding is they can't do that because there's no way to test it > according

Re: Home Fire Sprinkler Guidance - New Jersey

2013-07-30 Thread Ron Greenman
lawn policeman that drives around writing > tickets for uncut lawns. As with any other government regulation if you > don't comply you are subject to arrest and imprisonment. Hes probably > making a good wage and government union benefits as Ohio has lost most > major employers

Re: Home Fire Sprinkler Guidance - New Jersey

2013-07-30 Thread Ron Greenman
roke. > > > > I'm curious how many will support government mandates if all citizens > were ordered to cut all fat food, destroy all booze and cigarettes and run > a marathon in a year or be imprisoned. > > > > It's a different issue? It's just a building c

Re: Fire Pump Panel Clearance

2013-07-30 Thread Ron Greenman
gt; ___ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > > > > -- > Greg McGahan > Li

Re: Home Fire Sprinkler Guidance - New Jersey

2013-07-30 Thread Ron Greenman
any will retrofit? > > Scott > > (763) 425-1001 Office > (612) 759-5556 Cell > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Ron Gr

Re: Home Fire Sprinkler Guidance - New Jersey

2013-07-30 Thread Ron Greenman
val of any building permit or plat. > > History: L. 2010, ch. 116, § 25; L. 2011, ch. 43, § 1; Apr. 14. > > Very sorrowfully yours, > > Capt. Frank J. Herrick > > _______ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http:/

Re: Home Fire Sprinkler Guidance - New Jersey

2013-07-29 Thread Ron Greenman
lding permit or plat. > > > > History: L. 2010, ch. 116, § 25; L. 2011, ch. 43, § 1; Apr. 14. > > > > Very sorrowfully yours, > > > > Capt. Frank J. Herrick > > > > _______ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > &g

Re: SIGN for Backflow Prevention Assembly Forward Flow Test

2013-07-29 Thread Ron Greenman
ut at the street is working, why does it take some convoluted set of rules full of exemptions to do the same thing for a backflow? On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Ron Greenman wrote: > Since my friction loss table has a multiplier for demands up to 335 gpm > I'm guessing that my 2

Re: SIGN for Backflow Prevention Assembly Forward Flow Test

2013-07-29 Thread Ron Greenman
> Wouldn't it be easier, if you have a 4" backflow preventer you run > > 4" > > > > out the wall, 3" BFP, 3" out the wall, etc... > > > > That should open her up all the way. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dav

Re: SIGN for Backflow Prevention Assembly Forward Flow Test

2013-07-29 Thread Ron Greenman
ler.org > > Subject: Re: SIGN for Backflow Prevention Assembly Forward Flow Test > > > > What would be simple and helpful would be a table similar to the one > > used for sizing fire pump Suction/Discharge/Relief Valve Piping etc. > > > > Since you are not measuring

Re: SIGN for Backflow Prevention Assembly Forward Flow Test

2013-07-29 Thread Ron Greenman
> > What would be simple and helpful would be a table similar to the one > used > > for sizing fire pump Suction/Discharge/Relief Valve Piping etc. > > > > Since you are not measuring pressure, you could say 2" up to X gallons, > > 2.5"

Re: SIGN for Backflow Prevention Assembly Forward Flow Test

2013-07-29 Thread Ron Greenman
to fully EXERCISE the > > BFP at what os expected to be the system demand. If no data > > available, a discussion with the AHJ is warranted. As for benchmarks, > > only the flow is pertinent and pressure is irrelevant. > > > > Roland > > > > On Dec 22, 2009, at

Re: Flushing

2013-07-29 Thread Ron Greenman
resprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > > er.org > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > &g

Re: Paint booth

2013-07-28 Thread Ron Greenman
oard box. > > You just cannot make this stuff up! > > -Original Message- From: Charles Thurston > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:57 AM > To: Ron Greenman > Subject: Re: Paint booth > > Hello Ron, > > Actually happened in a body shop here after the city in

Re: Paint booth

2013-07-28 Thread Ron Greenman
t; Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.**firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.**org/listinfo.cgi/** > sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.**org<http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org> > __**__

Re: SIGN for Backflow Prevention Assembly Forward Flow Test

2013-07-27 Thread Ron Greenman
ote: > > > Sounds like a good opportunity for a public input. > > > > > _______ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org

Re: BK Design

2013-07-26 Thread Ron Greenman
ea with fire rolling > out of the kitchen area, across the seating area, and adults trying to > extract children, as anything but tragic. She went pale. Consulting > architect and civil engineer were not phased. > > bv > - Original Message - > From: "Ron Greenm

Re: Paint booth

2013-07-26 Thread Ron Greenman
s.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3209/6521 - Release Date: 07/25/13 > > _______ > Sprinklerfo

Re: BK Design

2013-07-26 Thread Ron Greenman
the ceiling or I > > > suppose the same question is if you only do 634 sq ft in the building > > then > > > you have a 634 sq ft design (notwithstanding the phantom design area if > > in > > > the '13 13). > > > > > > Chris Cahill, PE* > > > S

Re: BK Design

2013-07-26 Thread Ron Greenman
f FORTUNE's 100 Best Companies to Work For > *Registered in: MN > > > > > -Original Message- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 10:36 AM > To:

Re: BK Design

2013-07-26 Thread Ron Greenman
tely? What was required/done? > > Thanks, > > Bob Knight, CET III > 208-318-3057 > www.firebyknight.com > > > > > > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://list

Re: BK Design

2013-07-25 Thread Ron Greenman
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:05 PM, John Lewis wrote: > the AHJ reqired a deluge water curtain over the counter for lack of a one > hour wall between dinning and kitchen. Good lord! -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yaki

Re: BK Design

2013-07-25 Thread Ron Greenman
@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3209/6518 - Release Date: 07/24/13 > > ___

Re: SIGN for Backflow Prevention Assembly Forward Flow Test

2013-07-25 Thread Ron Greenman
; On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Ron Greenman wrote: > > > Forest. What were you flowing to discover these failures? Main drain or > > some special test header? Would a sign with the data requested by the > > customer that started this thread have had any utility in helping

Re: SIGN for Backflow Prevention Assembly Forward Flow Test

2013-07-25 Thread Ron Greenman
opened the valve up and the check was damaged, would only open a third. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 24, 2013, at 8:53 PM, Ron Greenman wrote: > > > Worked well for plumbing and process piping applications as they are > > constantly being exercised. > >

Re: Hazard classification

2013-07-25 Thread Ron Greenman
are hereby notified that you are not authorized to > read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this communication without the > consent of the sender and that doing so is prohibited and may be unlawful. > Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the > message was misdirected.

Re: Hazard classification

2013-07-25 Thread Ron Greenman
> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org

Re: Hazard classification

2013-07-24 Thread Ron Greenman
ler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > ______

Re: SIGN for Backflow Prevention Assembly Forward Flow Test

2013-07-24 Thread Ron Greenman
> Dwight > > > > > ________ > From: Ron Greenman > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:25 PM > Subject: Re: SIGN for Backflow Prevention Assembly Forward Flow Test > > > By the mid-nineties you have the early Ames models purpose bu

Re: SIGN for Backflow Prevention Assembly Forward Flow Test

2013-07-23 Thread Ron Greenman
rk at Aero > P. S. Hi Dwight > > > - Original Message - > From: Ron Greenman [mailto:rongreen...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 03:25 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > Subject: Re: SIGN

Re: SIGN for Backflow Prevention Assembly Forward Flow Test

2013-07-23 Thread Ron Greenman
the mid '90's. > > Dwight > > > > > ________ > From: Ron Greenman > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 9:12 PM > Subject: Re: SIGN for Backflow Prevention Assembly Forward Flow Test > >

Re: SIGN for Backflow Prevention Assembly Forward Flow Test

2013-07-23 Thread Ron Greenman
test is to > > ensure that the backflow device is opening properly. Like the main drain > > test, the information is only properly assessed when compared to previous > > tests. Initial system configuration (tests) are often documented at > > acceptance, but rarely kept in a place

Re: SIGN for Backflow Prevention Assembly Forward Flow Test

2013-07-23 Thread Ron Greenman
> this oversight, since they cannot waive the requirement. > > > As the AHJ, they can raise the bar by requiring the information be > provided on a sign and specifying how the data is to be collected and > evaluated, by including the requirement in the contract language, or a > referenced standard. > > Dwight

Re: SIGN for Backflow Prevention Assembly Forward Flow Test

2013-07-23 Thread Ron Greenman
orum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Ron Greenman Ins

Re: NFPA 25 Changes 2014

2013-07-23 Thread Ron Greenman
gt; > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > >

Re: old systems

2013-07-23 Thread Ron Greenman
s that are still going strong. At the > DOE facility I spent time at, we had deluge systems with 220vdc > detection systems > > > Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering > American Fire Sprinkler Assn. --- Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives Dallas, TX >

Re: SIGN for Backflow Prevention Assembly Forward Flow Test

2013-07-22 Thread Ron Greenman
ne of the areas that is covered in the standard, in > which case the AHJ and the owner have every right to make the requirement > to facilitate proper assessment of the water supply to the system over time. > > > > > > From: Ron Greenman > T

Re: SIGN for Backflow Prevention Assembly Forward Flow Test

2013-07-22 Thread Ron Greenman
_ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > > ___ > > Sprinklerforum

Re: Forty Years

2013-07-20 Thread Ron Greenman
now?" I replied well...I've had a good run for the past 40 > years...I guess I'll stick with this "Sprinkler Gig"..it's been good to me > so far!! > > John W. Farabee > Vice President > Bass United Fire and Security > Pompano Beach, Fl > > > 561-707-

Re: Mechanical Tees

2013-07-19 Thread Ron Greenman
ering ring on the fitting that must install INTO the hole to allow the > bolt pads to close. > Mark at Aero > > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listi

Re: Mechanical Tees REPLY

2013-07-19 Thread Ron Greenman
rinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/list

Re: Mechanical Tees

2013-07-19 Thread Ron Greenman
forum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 12:51 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: Mechanical Tees > > That's why the Above Ground Te

Re: -

2013-07-18 Thread Ron Greenman
_ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > > er.org ___ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesp

Re: CPVC Applications

2013-07-17 Thread Ron Greenman
rges-Faulconbridge, Inc. | Fire Protection > Engineer | Fargo, ND | direct: 701.552.9905 | mobile: 701.371.5759 | > http://www.kfiengineers.com > > -Original Message- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On

Re: NFPA 13R closet question

2013-07-17 Thread Ron Greenman
__ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler > .org > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@li

Re:

2013-07-17 Thread Ron Greenman
> Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Techn

Re: CPVC Applications

2013-07-17 Thread Ron Greenman
The "plastic" piping in the attic On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 7:46 AM, Ron Greenman wrote: > Or you could protect the piping in the attic with sprinklers, but then > > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Brian Harris > wrote: > >> Starting to rethink this

Re: CPVC Applications

2013-07-17 Thread Ron Greenman
> Brian Harris, CET > BVS Systems Inc. > bvssytemsinc.com > > > -Original Message- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 10:30 AM >

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