From: Fpdcdesign
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2024 12:32 PM
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Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Plastisol liquid PVC
Steve, a quick search found a couple of different MSDS. The older ones showed
as you said but some newer ones called
d
whatnot? I'm assuming its Group A since it's PVC and semi-solid at that point.
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say they
prefer or will treat automatics as manual in high-rise buildings as well, so
long as the overall height is within their pumping capacity.It’s about
reliability, control and constancy of flow and pressure.
My opinion only,
Steve L.
From: George Medina Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, April 03
of the standard.
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(rigid), various PE
compounds and nylons are used for uppers. Gum rubber and petroleum rubber for
soles.
I would be VERY sure of what you've got holistically...
Steve L.
From: Prahl, Craig
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 11:01 AM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire
Most "lifestyle" shoes are made mostly of plastic and rubber compounds. We've
had eagle-eyed AHJ's in CA throwing the retail store plastic storage design
requirements at us for displays that go higher than 5'.
Steve L.
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Of a separate riser ROOM for backflow, etc. Definitely not saying that you
need a chase within the stair shaft, just that you’re not allowed to use the
under-landing space for a “riser room”.
Steve
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Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 1:48 PM
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.
Steve L.
From: Anthony Carrizosa
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 1:22 PM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Riser in a rated stair enclosure
We do backflows and risers in stairs all the time, typically below the
intermediate
Where longitudinal bracing is provided for branch lines, the lateral bracing
ZOI of grid mains does not have to include those lines per §9.3.5.9.6 (2016
edition).
Steve L.
From: George Medina Jr.
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2024 2:55 PM
To: Discussion List On Issues Relating To Automatic Fire
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Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Gang drain crossing seismic joint
Steve,
three points here.
* §18.4.1 requires clearance for a drain extending through a wall, floor,
platform, foundations.
* §18.5.1.6 omits any bracing requirements for drain piping downstream o
No, and that's exactly my reasoning too. I should have said in my post that
I'm not 100% certain because it's being submitted to a preposterously fickly
AHJ and they're historically very subjective, but my personal opinion is that
it's not required for the reason that you mention.
Steve
this, but I don't think we've had to address this condition in
forever, maybe never.
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of the standard.
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Good morning,
We’ve found it all depends on the district and individual AHJ…
We do a number of manual wet/dry standpipes in our area and each one comes with
it’s own challenges.
One of my colleagues just invested in a used fire truck figuring the best
course of action is to be over prepared
, they sought my services as a
consultant to help them get out of the situation. Like you, I passed and am
not sure how it resolved.
Steve L.
From: Fpdcdesign
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2024 8:56 AM
To: Sprinklerforum
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Apartment used as an office
I was in an apartment building
l building department, or through a state amendment during the code
adoption process. Your questions and concerns will probably be better and
more productively expressed directly to the building official/department that
NIC is contracted with.
My opinion only,
Steve L.
From: Chris Dorn
Sent:
Sure Bob.
Bruce – what do you think the odds are? Not used to being the favorite… is
this straight-up or a parimutuel pool?
SL
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To: 'Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers'
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the contractor or a
contract designer?If you’re a 3rd party, did the contractor bid off of
plans that may include this information and they’re the ones that didn’t
convey to you?
Steve L.
From: Owen Evans
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 1:39 PM
To: sprinklerforum
in our industry that don’t know what they’re talking
about.
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in the pump room.
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Sent: Friday, January 19, 2024 2:18 PM
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Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Phase Converter
The way I understood it, the NEC does not permit using the fire pump control
panel
hat's been a common,
even standard practice for years...
Steve L.
From: Brian Harris
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2024 5:06 AM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Phase Converter
Matt-
We've asked that same question and the electrician insis
been tasked with it as the sprinkler contractor. The
architect and owner need to determine whether a retrofit provision in the code
is applicable to this project prior to submission for approval of the general
building permit.
Steve L.
From: George Medina Jr.
Sent: Thursday, January 18
Why are you putting standpipes in a single story building?Not required by
code unless you get into some extreme egress pathway distance scenarios...
Steve L.
From: Luis Perea
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2024 9:24 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] NFPA
My bad - to be clear, I was talking about the space below the double layer
envelope on the bottom chords, as I misread the question. In the so-called
plenum space between top and bottom chords, it's definitely a combustible
concealed space.
Steve Leyton
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I believe that two layers of the Type X make the space between the presumably
non-combustible ceiling and the sheetrock a non-combustible concealed space.
Steve Leyton
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Are you talking about a rooftop ladder? That's not an exit stair and also not
in an egress pathway.
Steve Leyton
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Original message
From: Jeff Garrison
Date: 1/16/24 6:19 AM (GMT-07:00
an IRAS solution that entails
horizontal barriers and whatnot but I’m wondering if there’s a CMSA or ESFR
solution that offsets any or all of that? FCL’s are not my best thing so
taking the lazy way and throwing it to the Forum…
Happy Holidays,
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From: Brian Harris
Sent: Wednesday, No
Yep.
From: Eric Rieve
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2023 11:09 AM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Flow test adjustment formula
Steve,
It should be:
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Where:
Px= The residual pressure
If I remember correctly, you can convert your outlet (Flow and pressure) to a K
factor K=Q/√P then just solve for P with your flow number (Q/K)₂.
Jamie Seidl
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Happy Friday everyone:
Once I’ve taken
that handy? I made cheat sheets years ago
but they’ve decomposed and become grains in the sands of time…
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plugged in ESFR because
most furniture warehouses have high levels of exposed expanded plastics?
Steve L.
From: Scott Futrell
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2023 2:19 PM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification
) is absolutely essential here…
Steve L.
From: Scott Futrell
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2023 10:19 AM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions
The fire protection in this building and for this hazard
but still safe pressure is available to them on
demand.
My opinion only, still on vacation and possibly under the influence of a little
too much wine.
Steve Leyton
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Original message
From: Skyler Bilbo
If you’re not fluent in Spanish or a translation app uses, César’s message
says, “According to the (NFPA 20) handbook, the 10x diameter provision doesn’t
apply to vertical in-line electric pumps.”
Steve
From: César Gonzales
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2023 7:15 AM
To: Discussion list on issues
Committee, nor intended to serve as an interpretation of the standard.
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a drain down
(submersible cameras are widely available) and done right, a tank can be built
into or installed within a building that doesn’t require intense effort or
interruption to undertake appropriate ITM.
Steve
From: Anthony Carrizosa
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2023 12:27 PM
originally asked about.
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From: Travi
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Sent:
variation will be ≤ 5 psi,
unless the tank is uniquely configured and multi-story.
The foregoing is my opinion only and does not represent NFPA or the NFPA 14
Technical Committee, nor intended to serve as an interpretation of the standard.
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If you're in earthquake country, grooved offers an inherently better-protected
suction main, but it would take an almost cataclysmic event to test that
admittedly. We've pretty much gone to grooved as the preferred joining method
throughout our protected environments. The compounds used to
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Any of y'all know when OH2 and OH3 collapsed into just OH2 at .20 density?
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Hey Brian,
I use to do this for a couple companies... I only surveyed the "remote area"
and main piping back to the alarm valve.
The AHJ is just looking for a replacement Placard, not plans or calcs.
Good luck!
Steven
From: Brian Harris
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2023 10:07 AM
To:
load; I
think you have to be of a CYA mindset or worse to read it any other way.
You may want to inform the owner of the project that their consultant is
pissing away thousand$$ of their money for no good reason.
My opinion only,
Steve L.
From: Joe Burtell [MT-BILL]
Sent: Tuesday, August 29
ump. If one’s not being
provided, ask for it and point out the challenge of ITM to ownership if the
building’s not so equipped.
My 4¢,
Steve L.
From: Brian Harris
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2023 6:43 AM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers
Subject: [Sprinklerforum]
shut a valve any time you work on a
system, and therefore must remember to open that valve afterwards). But more
likely to be catastrophic if THE valve is left off in scenario 2. Is it better
to lose the Forever 21 but save the Twin Pines Mall?
-Kyle M
From: Steve Leyton
mailt
that potential occurrence.
My 2¢ only,
Steve L.
From: Brian Harris
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2023 12:25 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Control/Sectioning Valves
Is there anything inherently wrong with installing control valves within a
system to isolate
Could be a closed loop chiller system, allowed by 13, you would have to trace
the lines and see if it actually is and if it’s done right. I’ve only seen a
couple of them and they never work right, always end up disconnecting the units.
On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 3:36 PM Steve Leyton
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or MS TEAMS
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Sprinklerforum] Re: Non-fire connections
they discovered
the condition. Nobody seems to know how and when it was installed this way.
Steve
From: Prahl, Craig
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2023 1:54 PM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Non-fire connections
Yes, serious
I'm not sure if this is a serious question, but no, it's an extremely compact
horizontal fan coil unit, aka "pancake style". They've been used in
apartments for many years in applications where soffit depth is limited.
Steve
From: Prahl, Craig
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 20
recirculating
loop sprinkler/HVAC systems but I'm not finding a prohibition or any other
specific info regarding non-fire water connections. Does anyone know if it's
in there somewhere, or perhaps in the ICC code set?
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the sprinkler piping to that colder air mass.
Steve L.
From: tston...@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2023 12:51 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Water filled Sprinkler Pipe Condensate issue
A recently installed wet pipe sprinkler system protecting
?
Best.
On 08/07/2023 11:17 AM PDT Steve Leyton
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Not strictly a sprinkler question, but does anyone know if there’s a
prescriptive requirement in CFC/IFC or NFPA 72 regarding location of an FACP?
Mixed use building, residential over comm
the
FACP in the pump room. It's not going to work for a couple of reasons but I
wanted to steer him to a code-based explanation and surprised to not be finding
one.
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the sprinkler system
so they can pump to themselves through the building system as opposed to
utilizing an UG main.
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From: matthew.will...@ferguson.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 11:22 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: 2nd FDC Instead of a Hydrant
. The convention is in Orlando. His
company is in Orlando. As I said in my previous email, I don't ever want to see
or hear or read him if I can possibly avoid it. So what to do?
Steve Leyton
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Completely inappropriate comment. Biden isn't facing 37 federal counts, but
this isn't the venue to talk about it in any case.
Steve L.
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From: Sean Lockyer
Date: 6/9/23 8:32 PM (GMT-08:00)
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.
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for maintenance and improvements, the more likely
they are to get tested, etc., etc.
Steve L.
From: Scott Futrell
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 5:32 AM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Control valve Failures
Good morning.
I’ve changed
ed to NFPA through subscription fees.
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I want to be sure that I’ve got this right: A client is m
a bin-box
system, do they have to change roof sprinklers out for CMDA? Or can the ESFR
remain and CMDA sprinklers would be installed under walkways when they're built?
I miss the little bitty book and pipe scheduled systems...
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with the responding fire department to see if they
have a policy or preference.
The foregoing is my opinion only and does not represent any formal or informal
interpretation of NFPA standards or the opinion of the NFPA 14 technical
committee.
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All:
Urgently seeking to confirm what edition(s) of ICC code set and referenced NFPA
standards currently enforced in Ohio. Anyone know of a link to adoption info?
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I'd guess it's about 100 GPM (or less), four residential sprinklers at Light
Hazard density. Project is just starting, schematic layouts only, but
definitely don't need a 150 GPM pump...
Steve Leyton
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and recall
correctly.
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From: matthew.will...@ferguson.com
Date: 4/13/23 5:08 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re
Smallest one I've
found so far is a 7.5hp in-line vertical rated 150 gpm @40 psi.
Anyone have a baby pump set in their back pocket?
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pumping all st
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, and this is not the venue for discussion of class
separation, social status or the dissection of gestalt societal mores, unless
they pertain to fire and life safety. Nobody loves a good “stick it to the
man” conversation more than me, but those usually involve alcohol and a setting
sun…
Steve
If you can use residential sprinklers, you only have to flow 4 in the design
area.
Steve L.
From: Fpdcdesign
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2023 12:08 PM
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Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Too many sprinklers in the bathroom
I am working
George Church is still missed.
I have an FM fire test report regarding sprinkler activation around HVLS fans
(somewhere, at least).Bottom line is that the fans create a vortex of
moving and thus cooler air over and around the perimeter of the blade diameter;
the report has thermographic
Correct – since 2020 editions, NFPA is only selling hard copies again.
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trigger an H, but that does
happen with adult education facilities from time to time.
Depending on the actual use and presence of potential sources of combustion and
fuel, OH1 or OH2 is a good practice…
My 2¢ only,
Steve L.
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Roof vents that are coordinated with the sprinklers, i.e. rated to operate at a
higher temperature than the sprinklers, shouldn’t encumber sprinkler operation
in most scenarios. Roof vents IN LIEU of sprinklers is… just dopey.
My 2¢,
Steve L.
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Because it’s a MAINTENANCE standard, not design. Also, isn’t it a recommended
practice?
SML
From: Ken Wagoner
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 9:20 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: 2021 IBC
Isn't it interesting that Chapter 35 of the '21 IBC has an
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opinion only,
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From: Travis Mack
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 7:35 AM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Self Storage
In my opinion, these are often protected by systems for OH2. However, I
believe they should be EH2
True, but if the shoe fits…
From: Kevin Hall
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2023 12:00 PM
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Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Another phantom flow question
Let's remember to maintain the order and decorum of the SprinklerFORUM.
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From: Eric Rieve
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2022 10:40 AM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: BFP on underground supply
You'll probably get some
fair for
owners to acknowledge the realities of the situation and specify 10 and 40
only, IMHO.
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Good morning everyone,
There is a project that was put out for bid as
to automatic fire sprinklers'
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: plans and specifications vs design build
Steve, You didn’t say if a contract has been signed.
If you have not signed any documents or contracts then walk away from the
project.
Have you discussed this project with your company Insurance
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From: Steve Mackinnon mailto:ste...@hartcorn.com>>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 10:39 AM
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Good morning everyone,
There is a project that was put out for bid as a “plans and specifications”,
showing approximate locations of heads, pipe sizes, etc…
We were awarded the project and found out the engineer who laid out the bid set
did not adequality size the sprinkler pipe for the water
and does not represent NFPA or the NFPA 14
Technical Committee, nor intended to serve as an interpretation of the standard.
Protection Design and Consulting
Steve Leyton, President
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www.protectiondesign.com<http://www.protectiondesign.com/>
2851 Camino Del Rio
be distracted away from the
sprinklers by the more prominent features of this masterful interior design…”
Steve L.
From: Ron Greenman
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 6:35 PM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Center vs Quad
Travis, I've had
not in CA, because
we’ve codified the 5 gpm allowance to include a SFD as well as multiple
dwellings. If you can get the project plumbing engineer to affirm what the
maximum demand of the individual home systems might be, it could help you with
the numbers.
Steve Leyton
2¢ Worth
From: J H
Sent
We put these types of pre-engineered fixtures into high school auto shops. In
CA, they are required to be sprinklered; if they are rated, you only have to Ex
Haz in the booth but if they’re non-rated you have to Ex Haz the entire
compartment or building containing the booth. We’ve learned
up we easily got 3,300 out of a 4” with about 45 psi residual.
For those who aren’t familiar with models, don’t be scared. But we mustn’t
turn away from flow testing and ITM and we have to hope that public water
purveyors are exercising their systems too.
Steve L.
From: Greg McGahan
Sent
be provided with sprinklers in all areas
except where specific sections of this standard permit the omission of
sprinklers.
Finding no such omission in the standard, we can assume they are required.
Steve L.
From: Thomas Reinhardt
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2022 5:20 AM
To: Discussion list
GPM flow or 350 gpm
flow. As others have noted, the higher the flow rate the more accurate the
data (vs. extrapolation), and with most agencies, I can request models at
whatever fire flow rate I choose.
Steve
From: travis.m...@mfpdesign.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2022 9:46 AM
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