RE: Townhouse 13d or 13r

st be sprinklered based on FS 553.895 and the FBC Residential. (R324.1) The commentary version of the building code does discuss that a 13D system is appropriate to provide townhouse protection (page 9-27). Pete Schwab Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROT

RE: ESFR Sprinkler Obstructions

2007 Edition of NFPA 13 allows 64 Square Foot minimum. (8.12.2.3). Do not forget about the 960 Sq Ft minimum design area as noted in 22.4.4.3.1 Pete Schwab Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hughes rewis

RE: Seismic bracing for CPVC?

Be sure that the foam is compatible with the specific brand of cpvc Pete Schwab -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 1:25 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Seismic bracing for

Wood Coating

Has anyone seen this product? It touts that it replaces sprinklers in combustible concealed spaces, under NFPA-13. If you have seen it, pros and cons? http://www.eaglecoatings.net/content/safecoatlatex.htm Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc. 2006 Inductee into "The Players Hall of Fame" at Th

RE: Pandora's Box

Viking has a listed head for Residential - 9 GPM each. Spacings are obviously not 20'x20'. However, you can have the system at the manufacturer's guidelines on the meter. Pete Schwab Wayne Automatic Fire -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTE

RE: Check Valves on Sprinkler Control Stations

This requirement is also in the 07 edition of Nfpa 13. 8.17.5.2.2 (1) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:32 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Check Valves on Sprinkler Contro

RE: (no subject)

See NFPA 13 2002 Edition handbook page 288 bottom left. The commentary discusses this situation. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Green Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:58 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: (no subject)

RE: RSV-2

John A flow switch used to shut off a solonoid valve on the non-essential system is the method we use when this approach is required. Pete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Drucker Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 11:57 AM To: sprinklerforum

RE: IDOD Dry pipe systems

http://www.idodsystems.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 5:01 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: IDOD Dry pipe systems Educate the sheltered amongst us. What is IDOD?

Fire Flow Requirements

Forum Is there any code language or requirements that a private supply main for a building/complex be capable of supplying the sprinkler system demand (including hose demand) and the Hydrant Fire Flow demand simultaneously. Pete Schwab Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Wayne Automatic Fire

RE: Fire Flow Requirements

se streams and sprinklers, within the tabled parameters, is adequate for both automatic and manual streams. Steve Leyton PROTECTION DESIGN & CONSULTING -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007

RE: hollow core slabs

Hilti HDI-P 3/8 drop in anchors -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:56 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: hollow core slabs I looked in the archives and informals but don't see thi

Carpet Storage

We are in the process of designing a carpet storage building. Unfortunately my copy of FM datasheet 8-30 is not the most current (2003 is the latest I believe). Can anyone fax or email me a copy so I can see if there have been changes? You can email me off group at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pete Wayne A

RE: Residential spray wrap-around.

See NFPA 13R 2007 edition section 6.7.7.1.5.6 and 6.7.7.1.5.7 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 3:50 PM To: SprinklerFORUM@firesprinkler.org Subject: Residential spray wrap-around. The

RE: Bucket Test

have been proposals to the committee requiring the bucket test that have been rejected. If the AHJ won't buy this, you have to call it the cost of doing business (unfortunate but true) Pete Schwab Wayne Automatic Fire -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: the Bucket, a crock, a rock and a hard place to know

I just put music to the lyrics below... Coming soon on CD to you. What I would ask is... "Does Scottsdale require bucket tests?" How many 13D systems have been installed. This is a simple system to prove using buckets. However, if the tests have not been required, I believe the process (Calcs, pl

RE: Bucket Test

I still have a copy of the ROP that rejected this. When I return to the office, I will try and find it. Pete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Battershell Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:58 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.o

RE: Bucket Test

rpose systems as it is not required for other types of NFPA 13D systems and would add additional costs." Ryan Peterson Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1

Spare Head boxes

Does anyone know of a spare head box that can stand up to a corrosive environment? Standard head boxes that are available as a standard do not do well against direct exposure to the elements. Any help/advice is appreciated Pete Schwab Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc. 2006 Inductee into &quo

Still connected

We have not seen any emails in days? Are we still connected or are all the sprinkler issues of the industry solved? Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc. 2006 Inductee into "The Players Hall of Fame" at The Great Games of Business Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc. "Best Places to Work" Rated

RE: Reclaimed water and sprinkler systems

This was added in the 2013 edition. Also, a definition of raw water, which requires the return bends, was added. Pete Schwab From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Watt

RE: Smoke Vent Elimination

Not sure what transpired at the hearings. http://www.iccsafe.org/cs/CTC/Documents/0413-meeting/BFP-RoofVents.pdf Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (4

RE: mixed ECQR heads and Res

osing. However if you have a door between the adjacent room... you may have more than a 4 head design. Pete Schwab From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of David Canham [dcan...@firesy

RE: NFPA 13 Chapter 8

Jamie That dimension should not be there. This Figure originally looked like Figure 6.4.6.3.3.2 in NFPA 13R. The NFPA 13 committee was not willing to allow the pocket behind the sprinkler. When the NFPA editing department removed the pocket, they did not remove that part of the dimension. NFPA h

RE: Underground Stub-Up

Mike The 2013 edition of NFPA 13 has clarified that this is acceptable. 6.3.1.1.1* Underground pipe shall be permitted to extend into the building through the slab or wall not more than 24 in. (0.6 m). A.6.3.1.1.1 Extending the underground pipe into a building provides working room to transition

RE: NFPA 13R closet question

Dan That is correct as long as there are no unprotected openings from the closet to the dwelling unit. Furnace ducting will require a damper and the plumbing pipe will need to be fire caulked. See the handbook commentary. It should be recognized that the above is my opinion only, and has not bee

RE: Heat trace question

Steve I have not seen anyone throw out a price. This stuff is expensive!!! Even in Florida we have to deal with freezing. We start at 10K minimum when considering heat tracing. Hopefully one day we will have a non-combustible liquid that doesn't freeze. Pete Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engin

RE: Stair Shafts

Greg If there is wood in the assembly, we consider it a combustible stair. Pete Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com

RE: Valves on BFP

Steve See the following from NFPA 13R A.5.2.14.5.1 Backflow preventers that are "UL Classified" meet the definition of listed in accordance with this standard. Pete Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761

Trapeze Hangers

Group There is a PI (Public Input) to Hanging and Bracing in regards to trapeze hangers. I am trying to get some information in regards to how other contractors are doing trapeze hangers and whether there have been issues. We primarily use angle iron when installing trapeze hangers. In that ang

RE: 13 & 13R

A.1.1 Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com Celebrating over 34 years of life safety -Original Message- From:

RE: Remedy for problem AHJ

City Managers or Commissioners. Eventually, they piss off the person who has the power to fix it. I feel your pain. Pete Schwab From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman

RE: Massive warehouse fire in NJ hampered by roof top solar panels

Pictures show a test header Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com Celebrating over 34 years of life safety -Orig

RE: removing sprinkler on drop

In Nashville two weeks ago the installation committee voted that if the sprinkler wasn't removed from the fitting it was installed into and was handled with care, then it could be reused (Remove the drop). Also, a dry sprinkler can be removed and then reinstalled provided the wrench was used on

RE: removing sprinkler on drop

Steve So what do you do if the sprinkler is no longer available? (Residential sprinklers prior to the minimum .05 density and the NFPA 13 2002 requirement for a minimum 0.10 density) Pete Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol C

RE: removing sprinkler on drop

um-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:56 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: removing sprinkler on drop Steve So what do you do if the sprinkler is no longer availab

RE: Shield for electrical equipment

This requirement has been removed in the 2019 edition. Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com

RE: Mixing standard and quick response.

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RE: Case 00201286: Differing k-factors [ ref:_00D5077Vx._5005013w8og:ref ]

Well I disagree with Mr. Hague and you can bet there will be a Public Input submitted to NFPA 13 for 2022 Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 65

RE: maximum sprinkler system sizes

I recommend that someone keep submitting a PI to increase the system size limitations. One cycle, the committee will go “hey” that is a great idea. I’ve seen it happen over the last 4 NFPA 13 cycles. Did I mention single point density…. DOH From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent:

RE: Metal C Channel joist combusitble concealed

Greg Are you asking if the combustible concealed sprinklers are acceptable for this scenario or are you trying to eliminate sprinklers in the space based on the metal C Channel joists. If the plywood is not FRT then this space requires protection unless it is less than 6" from top of channel to

RE: 13R Test and Drain Question

I will agree with Larry on the analysis of what is allowed. If we do not use a manifold with the built in test and drain but have the sawn sprinkler, then the official drain line is restricted by the sawn sprinkler. Of the thousands of NFPA 13R installations we do like this, we have been only qu

RE: Re:ELIMINATION OF SPRINKLERS IN CLOSETS FOR HYDRAULIC CALCULATIONS

I have to disagree with Steve on this one. The closets are less than 55 Sq Ft. Since the closet is separated most likely with drywall construction and with a 1500 SQ FT design area, I am not at all concerned with a fire starting in a closet and growing to the point of overwhelming a system desig

RE: FPE / SFPE

I’m offended. See you Saturday night From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Roland Huggins Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 6:21 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: FPE / SFPE The issue of unqualified engineers is an old song and dance that I don’t want to resurrect but th

RE: Private Residential Garages

13 or 13R is a big difference. 2019 13R made changes in regards to garages classified as U occupancy. 1000 FT² and less can use residential From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 6:28 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Private Resi

RE: system modification hydro test

There was some attempt to rewrite these testing procedures during the 2019 process. Some for wet and some for dry. It didn’t really go anywhere but there definitely was a desire to see it changed based on conversations exactly like this. NFPA 13 is open for Public Inputs so fire away!! From: S

RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: RE: PIV

Steve I have never seen one. Pete From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 5:08 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: RE: PIV Any suppliers or others on this thread that know if a backflow appliance can be ordered with a

RE: NFPA 13 - mixing residential and QR sprinklers in dwelling units

NFPA 13 does not give guidance on mixing residential sprinklers and QR sprinklers in the same design area. This was discussed I believe in the 2016 NFPA 13 code development process. From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Dewayne Martinez Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 9:04 AM To: sprinklerforum@lis

RE: Storage area in a mix occupancy

Craig The current NFPA 13R would look at this as a predominantly residential building. The storage is outside the dwelling unit and is incidental to the main occupancy. Per building code you are allowed 10%, per NFPA 25%. In the 2016 edition of 13R there is a pretty big likelihood that the stand

RE: showers included in bathroom area

Remember that the opening can only be 8'-0" max per the definition of a compartment. Pete Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynef

RE: showers included in bathroom area

3 at 7:57 AM, Pete Schwab wrote: > Remember that the opening can only be 8'-0" max per the definition of > a compartment. > Pete > > Peter Schwab > VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies > > Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. > 222 Capitol Court > O

RE: showers included in bathroom area

Ron The 3'-0" rule would not apply to the shower opening because there would be another opening to exit the bathroom. A single opening of 36 in. (914 mm) or less in width without a lintel is permitted when there are no other openings to adjoining spaces. Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineeri

RE: Head Guards

These are only UL classified with a few Reliable sprinklers last I checked. Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com Cele

RE: Static Pressure/Working Pressure

What is the elevation of the first floor hose valves in relation to the discharge flange of the fire pump? Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656

RE: Air Testing CPVC Piping

From Spears http://origin.library.constantcontact.com/download/get/file/1102520706304-39/FG+Air+Test+Provision.pdf Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax:

RE: Hibachi Restaurants Occupancy Hazard

I tried last cycle I believe the AFSA rep gave me a hard time in committee.. I submitted a proposal in the last NFPA 13 cycle and was rejected trying to clarify this (Japanese Hibachi). 13-528 Log #72 AUT-SSD Final Action: Reject (A.5.3.1) Submitter: Peter T. Schwab, Wayne Automatic

RE: Standpipe requirement

NFPA 1 - 13.2.2.2 Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com Celebrating over 34 years of life safety -Original Messa

RE: Re:

The standards (13D and 13R also allow intermediate throughout) Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com Celebrating o

RE: NFPA-13R or NFPA-13?

A heads up in regards to the 2016 edition of NFPA 13R. The committee has made a pretty drastic change that will significantly "assist" in determining if and when NFPA 13R applies. This was done in the First Draft phase and is currently open for Public Comment. Here is the language from A.1.1 as

RE: NFPA-13R or NFPA-13?

le at all of our locations!  Please check out our website for the details! -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 4:06 PM To: sprin

RE: Combination standpipe system = NFPA 13???

His assumption is flawed. However, I have added this to my list to submit for NFPA 13R for the 2019 edition. Pete From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] on behalf of Travis Mack [tm...@mfpdes

RE: Flow test and 13D

required a bucket test for 13D & 13R. I asked him why he didn't do a bucket test for NFPA 13 systems? I never got an answer. I'm glad he retired. However. Essentially we do bucket tests for NFPA 14 Standpipe systems... I hope that might

RE: looped dry system

If there are no sprinklers directly on the 4 corridor mains, then I would say this is not a grid. I am surprised that the vent people have not done testing to prove that a vent on the system would allow a dry system grid... From: Sprinklerforum [sprinkle

RE: TIA 13-2

Steve I am not sure of what the changes are and frankly I cannot remember voting on this as an SSI member. I will definitely be looking at this when I get in the office tomorrow. Pete From: Sprinklerforum [sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] on

RE: Pressure reducing valve on fire pump

Are there standpipes/hose connections downstream of the pump? If so see NFPA 14 2013 Edition Section 7.2.4. Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 65

RE: Pressure reducing valve on fire pump

NFPA 20 does not allow. See 4.7.7.2 4.7.7* Maximum Pressure for Centrifugal Pumps. 4.7.7.1 The net pump shutoff (churn) pressure plus the maximum static suction pressure, adjusted for elevation, shall not exceed the pressure for which the system components are rated. 4.7.7.2* Pressure relief valv

RE: Sprinkler Systems

David I am not familiar with a shotgun system. A standpipe system will be a system that has hose valves for occupant or fire department use. These days we usually only see standpipes for fire department use. A standpipe system can also have connections to sprinkler systems. (Typical for 4 story

RE: Sprinkler Systems

f of Pete Schwab [pe...@waynefire.com] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 1:44 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org; sprinklerfo...@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Sprinkler Systems David I am not familiar with a shotgun system. A standpipe system will be a system that has hose valves for occupa

RE: Sprinkler Systems

4-2284 Cell: 863-559-0903 david.smi...@lakelandgov.net -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 1:45 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org; sprinklerfo...@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE

RE: Sprinkler Systems

, 2014 1:58 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Sprinkler Systems Agreed. ;-) -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 10:57 AM To: sprinklerforum

RE: HVAC chiller closet

There is handbook commentary that supports this as well. From: Sprinklerforum [sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] on behalf of Cliff Whitfield [cl...@fire-design.com] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 1:03 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.o

RE: Sprinkler Systems

@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Sprinkler Systems Agreed about losing Class II. And that I'm correct. -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 11:05 AM To: sprinkler

RE: Sprinkler Systems

would first direct your proposal to ICC. When the last prescriptive for 1.5" hose stations is removed from the building code, I'm all in. SML -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab Sent: Frid

RE: Mixing EC-QR and SC-QR sprinklers in the same area

Did you mean to say EC Standard response with QR elements mixed with standard coverage QR? Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.wayn

RE: Listed Flexible Hose?

Based on NFPA 303, I would say that as long as the flexible connection is acceptable to the AHJ it can be used (Approved vs. listed). 6.4.7 Flexible connections shall be permitted on floating piers where acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction. Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineering

RE: Cooler Calc

See the 2013 edition of NFPA 13 23.4.4.1.1.4* Where the available floor area for a specific area/density design criteria, including any extension of area as required by 11.1.2 and Section 12.3, is less than the required minimum design area, the design area shall be permitted to only include those

RE: Cooler Calc

Bob See 8.16.4.1.5 Below 8.16.4.1.1* Where any portion of a system is subject to freezing and the temperatures cannot be reliably maintained at or above 40°F (4°C), the system shall be installed as a dry pipe or preaction system. 8.16.4.1.1.1 The requirements of 8.16.4.1.1 shall not apply where a

RE: Angled sidewall sprinklers

See the last page http://www.vikinggroupinc.com/databook/sprinklers/spk_accessories/122698.pdf Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.

Isolation by Floor

We are designing a high rise and I recall a requirement somewhere in the IBC that we need to zone by floor. Can someone please point me to the right place or am I just imagining this. I know that NFPA 13 made some changes in the 2013 edition but we are on the 2007. Thanks Pete Peter Schwab VP of

RE: 8.15.1.2.1 and A8.15.1.2.1 NFPA 13 (2013)

It's a combustible concealed space. Sprinkler it or fill it with insulation Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, FL 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com We’re hiring great people at all of our locations! Please ch

RE: 6 Story Hotel

NFPA 13R 2013 Edition Chapter 4 General Requirements 4.1 Sprinklered Throughout. A building provided with a fire sprinkler system designed and installed in accordance with the requirements of this standard, including its allowable omissions, shall be considered fully sprinklered throughout. Pete

RE: 6 Story Hotel

age- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 11:08 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: 6 Story Hotel NFPA 13R 2013 Edition Chapter 4 General Requirements 4.1 Sprinklered Throughou

RE: 6 Story Hotel

Allan Shafts are allowed between below and above the podium in a 2 hour shaft enclosure. Read the NFPA 13R 2013 Handbook supplement on podium buildings. Great information - written by Jeff Shapiro and Marshall Klein. Standpipes follow the height requirements regardless of the podium (30' highest

RE: Residential Closets in NFPA 13 and... 101?

If you are on the 2007 edition of NFPA 13, see 21.20.19.2.1. This takes precedence over NFPA 13 based on 21.1.1.2. Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (4

RE: Residential Closets in NFPA 13 and... 101?

orum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 7:52 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Residential Closets in NFPA 13 and... 101? If you are on the 2007 edition of NFPA 13, see 21.20.19.2.1. This takes precedence over NFPA 13 based on 21.1.1.2. Pet

RE: Sprinklers on 3" Pipe

Cliff I recall we changed this in the 2013 edition. I do not have in front of me but check that edition as well. Pete Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, FL 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com We’re hiring great

RE: Formality question

Brad, Steve is correct. As someone who submits many PI's, the intent is to improve the standard. The balance of the committee usually keeps biased Inputs from becoming code. Get involved. You don't have to be a member of NFPA to attend a committee meeting. You don't have to be a committee member

Floating Docks

Forum We have a project with a fixed dock connected to a floating dock. We need to install a hose connection on the floating dock. NFPA 303 allows flexible connections where approved by the AHJ. I am not sure that the Metraflex Connector will work for the 3-4 feet of tide variation. Does anyone

RE: Hydraulic Placard

In states like Florida with a 2 tag system, a missing hydraulic placard is a deficiency and automatically gets a red tag. That really makes building owners happy. Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mob

RE: Rack Storage Aisle Clarifications

Wait until the 2019 1st draft is published... Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com [ci

RE: Floor mounted obstructions - ORDINARY HAZ

soldering. Many of the national self-storage facility owners/builders understand that the top of storage must be 18” from the sprinkler deflector (Usually accomplished with chicken wire) . Pete Schwab My opinion only and not that of the NFPA or any of its committees From: Sprinklerforum

RE: Committee Intention and Reducing Sprinklers' Pressure in a Combined Standpipe/Sprinkler System

Sounds like we need an NFPA 14 Handbook. From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of å... Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 6:56 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Committee Intention and Reducing Sprinklers' Pressure in a Comb

RE: Committee Intention and Reducing Sprinklers' Pressure in a Combined Standpipe/Sprinkler System

I have to agree with Steve on this one. The NFPA process is open to anyone. It is quite easy to submit proposed changes. Unfortunately the Input stage for the 2019 edition has just closed. Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capito

RE: Storage <12'

The QR reduction does apply. The 2019 reorganization of NFPA 13 will make it very clear. Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.wayne

RE: OBC, FBC, IBC / Standpipe Requirements

Bill Manual standpipes are still allowed in the State of Florida in non-high rise buildings. See Florida Statute 553.895. In Florida the hierarchy is Statute, Rule, Code and lastly Standards. http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0500-0599/0553

RE: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers

Ken Even though an earlier edition governs, standard of care from a liability issue would dictate not ignoring the 15 second requirement. Just my opinion Pete Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile

RE: Balancing rack and ceiling systems - different types

I recommend reading the PI’s for the 2019 edition in regards to balancing and rack sprinklers. Also, if it is an FM project check their guidelines. From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 6:55 PM To: spri

RE: Exterior projection 45 degree angle figure 8.15.7

For the 2019 edition of NFPA 13, this annex language has been removed from the standard. (First Draft). First of all it was simply that, annex. In that detail it showed dimensional requirements which is also not what the annex is intended for. Finally, the installation of a dry pendent sprinkler

RE: Covered Restaurant Seating Area

Steve is spot on. See committee statement below. [cid:image001.png@01D2B786.0BE9D460] Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefir

RE: Sprinkler Protection on Balconies

orum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 10:47 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: RE: Sprinkler Protection on Balconies John I am going to have to start charging

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