[freenet-support] Re: where to get wrapper files?

[Nicholas Sturm]

Thank you for the meaningless message.


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> Subject: [freenet-support] Re: where to get wrapper files?
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RE: [freenet-support] Re: where to get wrapper files?

[Nicholas Sturm]

Thank you for the meaningless message.


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Top-posting was Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 *PLONK*

[Nicholas Sturm]

Sorry, "top-posting" had an implied meaning, but having never seen the
expression used previous, I did want
to know what was mean by it.  I guess I'll just have to assume that my
guess at the meaning was correct.  If I
should happen to use this expression, now that it is in my vocabulary, just
be fairly warned that my meaning
might not be what you expect as I'm now accepting verification of my guess
without an explicit declaration of
meaning.  I due know the word "inline" and also the expression "end note."

Nick


> [Original Message]
> From: Matthew Toseland 
> To: 
> Date: 9/6/2006 5:49:02 PM
> Subject: Top-posting was Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 *PLONK*
>
> Top-posting has its uses. I sometimes top-post and sometimes reply
> inline.
>
> On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 09:41:06PM +0200, Ortwin Regel wrote:
> > He has a problem with you writing above the email you quoted. Don't
> > listen to him, though, top-posting is awesome. :P
> > 
> > On 9/6/06, Nicholas Sturm  wrote:
> > >What is "top-post?"
> > >
> > >
> > >> [Original Message]
> > >> From: Fake Name 
> > >> To: 
> > >> Cc: 
> > >> Date: 9/6/2006 10:53:33 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 *PLONK*
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, "freenetwork at web.de"  
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >Don't feed the troll
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> I am not a troll. 0.7 is in alpha state.  It needs to move to Beta
state
> > >> with open-net
> > >>
> > >> p.s. please don't top-post
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >>Freenet 0.7 is nothing more than yet another in a series of Freenet
> > >> >>failures-in-waiting until it proves itself, IMHO, by emerging out
of
> > >alpha
> > >> >>with open-net.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 *PLONK*

[Nicholas Sturm]

What is "top-post?"


> [Original Message]
> From: Fake Name 
> To: 
> Cc: 
> Date: 9/6/2006 10:53:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 *PLONK*
>
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, "freenetwork at web.de"  wrote:
> >Don't feed the troll
> >
>
> I am not a troll. 0.7 is in alpha state.  It needs to move to Beta state
> with open-net
>
> p.s. please don't top-post
>
> >
> >>Freenet 0.7 is nothing more than yet another in a series of Freenet
> >>failures-in-waiting until it proves itself, IMHO, by emerging out of
alpha
> >>with open-net.
> >>
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 *PLONK*

[Nicholas Sturm]

What is top-post?


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 Date: 9/6/2006 10:53:33 AM
 Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 *PLONK*

 On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Don't feed the troll
 

 I am not a troll. 0.7 is in alpha state.  It needs to move to Beta state
 with open-net

 p.s. please don't top-post

 
 Freenet 0.7 is nothing more than yet another in a series of Freenet
 failures-in-waiting until it proves itself, IMHO, by emerging out of
alpha
 with open-net.
 
 
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RE: Top-posting was Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 *PLONK*

[Nicholas Sturm]

Sorry, top-posting had an implied meaning, but having never seen the
expression used previous, I did want
to know what was mean by it.  I guess I'll just have to assume that my
guess at the meaning was correct.  If I
should happen to use this expression, now that it is in my vocabulary, just
be fairly warned that my meaning
might not be what you expect as I'm now accepting verification of my guess
without an explicit declaration of
meaning.  I due know the word inline and also the expression end note.

Nick


 [Original Message]
 From: Matthew Toseland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: support@freenetproject.org
 Date: 9/6/2006 5:49:02 PM
 Subject: Top-posting was Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 *PLONK*

 Top-posting has its uses. I sometimes top-post and sometimes reply
 inline.

 On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 09:41:06PM +0200, Ortwin Regel wrote:
  He has a problem with you writing above the email you quoted. Don't
  listen to him, though, top-posting is awesome. :P
  
  On 9/6/06, Nicholas Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  What is top-post?
  
  
   [Original Message]
   From: Fake Name [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: support@freenetproject.org
   Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Date: 9/6/2006 10:53:33 AM
   Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 *PLONK*
  
   On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Don't feed the troll
   
  
   I am not a troll. 0.7 is in alpha state.  It needs to move to Beta
state
   with open-net
  
   p.s. please don't top-post
  
   
   Freenet 0.7 is nothing more than yet another in a series of Freenet
   failures-in-waiting until it proves itself, IMHO, by emerging out
of
  alpha
   with open-net.
   
   
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[freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Freenet 0.7 build 953

[Nicholas Sturm]

Thank you.  I must search for Ed.  Nick

> [Original Message]
> From: Anonymous via Panta Rhei 
> To: Nicholas Sturm 
> Date: 8/31/2006 3:40:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Freenet 0.7 build 953
>
> On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 01:42:42 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> > > "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot,
> > jury,
> > > ammo.  Use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt
> >
> > I'm quite familiar with the other folks mentioned.  As a genealogist,
this
> > Ed Howdershelt interests me very much.  Could you point me to more
> > information regarding him?  One of his cousin seems to have lived a few
> > hundred yards from where my mother was born and raised. And I've heard
the
> > surname (and several variants) since I was perhaps eight to ten years of
> > age.
>
> Sorry, I saw it used in somebody's message on usenet (alt.privacy I
think),
> liked it and decided to add it to my collection.
>
> details of it's origin or the credited author are unknown to me.
>
>
> --
> "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman, and child of this great
> nation.  We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect
our
> homeland."
>
> - Adolf Hitler, proposing the creation of the Gestapo in Nazi Germany.
> - George Bush, Talking about the Homeland Security Act and the Patriot
Act.
>
> "The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become
> the instruments of tyranny at home."
>
> James Madison, fourth president of
> the United States
>
> I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the
> death, your right to say it. - Voltaire
>
> "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot,
jury, 
> ammo. Use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt
>
>

[freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Freenet 0.7 build 953

[Nicholas Sturm]

> "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot,
jury,
> ammo.  Use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt

I'm quite familiar with the other folks mentioned.  As a genealogist, this
Ed Howdershelt interests me very much.  Could you point me to more
information regarding him?  One of his cousin seems to have lived a few
hundred yards from where my mother was born and raised. And I've heard the
surname (and several variants) since I was perhaps eight to ten years of
age.

Thanks.

Re: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Freenet 0.7 build 953

[Nicholas Sturm]

Thank you.  I must search for Ed.  Nick

 [Original Message]
 From: Anonymous via Panta Rhei [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Nicholas Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 8/31/2006 3:40:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Freenet 0.7 build 953

 On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 01:42:42 -0400, you wrote:
 
   There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot,
  jury,
   ammo.  Use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt
 
  I'm quite familiar with the other folks mentioned.  As a genealogist,
this
  Ed Howdershelt interests me very much.  Could you point me to more
  information regarding him?  One of his cousin seems to have lived a few
  hundred yards from where my mother was born and raised. And I've heard
the
  surname (and several variants) since I was perhaps eight to ten years of
  age.

 Sorry, I saw it used in somebody's message on usenet (alt.privacy I
think),
 liked it and decided to add it to my collection.

 details of it's origin or the credited author are unknown to me.


 --
 An evil exists that threatens every man, woman, and child of this great
 nation.  We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect
our
 homeland.

 - Adolf Hitler, proposing the creation of the Gestapo in Nazi Germany.
 - George Bush, Talking about the Homeland Security Act and the Patriot
Act.

 The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become
 the instruments of tyranny at home.

 James Madison, fourth president of
 the United States

 I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the
 death, your right to say it. - Voltaire

 There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot,
jury, 
 ammo. Use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt




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Campaigning for Open-Net [WAS Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7]

[Nicholas Sturm]

If you pester anyone too much it can be self defeating.  Perhaps
unintentionally as they consume much time deleting your messages from their
files.  Or intentionally if they choose to block the excesses traffic.

>
> "We should all start pestering the hell outta both Ian and Toad to get
open-net deployed."
>

RE: Campaigning for Open-Net [WAS Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7]

[Nicholas Sturm]

If you pester anyone too much it can be self defeating.  Perhaps
unintentionally as they consume much time deleting your messages from their
files.  Or intentionally if they choose to block the excesses traffic.


 We should all start pestering the hell outta both Ian and Toad to get
open-net deployed.



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Re: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Freenet 0.7 build 953

[Nicholas Sturm]

 There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot,
jury,
 ammo.  Use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt

I'm quite familiar with the other folks mentioned.  As a genealogist, this
Ed Howdershelt interests me very much.  Could you point me to more
information regarding him?  One of his cousin seems to have lived a few
hundred yards from where my mother was born and raised. And I've heard the
surname (and several variants) since I was perhaps eight to ten years of
age.

Thanks.

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[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

[Nicholas Sturm]

>
> Really, if you don't trust anyone, you shouldn't be using the internet,
> and you probably should reconsider whether life is worth living. :)
>

I trust a lot of people a little bit.  I don't trust many people a lot. 
And I've never really become acquainted philosophically with anyone on
freenet.

Apart from band width perhaps that's why I read the lists, but no longer
run a node.

[freenet-support] 0,5 or 0,7 should we move this discussion?

[Nicholas Sturm]

Even freenet has a habit of talking about places without providing a
pointer.  Is that a built-in property of most freetnet folks.  I.e., if I
know what I'm talking about then everyone knows about it?


> [Original Message]
> From: Juiceman 
> To: 
> Date: 8/27/2006 12:22:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [freenet-support] 0,5 or 0,7 should we move this discussion?
>
> On 8/27/06, -  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Great discussion I have a few questions too, but should we move it to
another list?
> > I feel bad about having started it here,
> >
> > Van
> >
>
> The chat mailinglist would be better.  Thanks :)
>
>
>
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[freenet-support] 0,5 or 0,7 should we move this discussion?

[Nicholas Sturm]

I guess you could move it to a place where many of us don't know how to get 
too.  So much has changed from the early freenet that I have found very little 
of what I once knew about.


- Original Message - 
From: - 
To: support at freenetproject.org
Sent: 8/27/2006 12:15:36 PM 
Subject: [freenet-support] 0,5 or 0,7 should we move this discussion?


Hi,

Great discussion I have a few questions too, but should we move it to another 
list?
I feel bad about having started it here,

Van
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

[Nicholas Sturm]

When I opened the message below all that displayed was an icon.  When I
attempted to save the icon all hell broke loose.  My mail client was
closed.  After some attempts I was able to reboot and the spamblocker
(earthlink) had examined the message and found nothing suspicious.  However
now I found that a message was displayed as shown below.  A similar
behavior with the message immediately preceding and with the same "i" icon.
Anyone have some suggestions of what had happened or why the message
behaved so peculiarly?  Incidently the icon was "utitled" when I attempted
to save it -- my common practice when a mail message appears to be peculiar.


> [Original Message]
> From: 
> To: 
> Date: 8/27/2006 12:19:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
>
> I agree. I wouldn't want to be the only connection between 2 networks, or 
> even one of a small few. I simply don't have the bandwidth. Maybe a T1 or
T3 
> could handle it, but not what 90+% of the people using freenet would have
to 
> work with.
>
> As I follow these threads I begin to see a core group of people that are 
> promoting 0.7 as the way to go. They have ideas about how it will work,
but 
> so far I haven't seen convincing evidence to show how it's going to
actually 
> do what they say. I understand 0.7 is in it's infancy, but it's really 
> premature and living in an incubator. It's got a long way to go to be
able 
> to meet the level of use people are claiming it will have.
>
> I was running 0.7, I'm in the process of changing OS on the PC that was 
> running it, but I did not like having to exchange information with
someone 
> on IRC. It's the first time I've ever had anything to do with IRC, and 
> though some people are IRC advocates I've never been one. I didn't know
the 
> people I was connecting to at all, and the only reason it didn't bother
me 
> was because I was simply provide a computer and bandwidth. If I had an 
> agenda, or a real reason to be using freenet, I would never have
considered 
> giving out information. I was about as anonymous as if I had posted my IP 
> address on Google for everyone to view.
>
> It may be called darknet, but someone forgot to turn off the light.
>
>
> >Yea, but you don't know all the nodes in the network, you just know
> >the ones your connected to. So if one of those links between the
> >networks goes down, half your downloads stall out and die. And
> >wouldn't that put a pretty big strain on certain computers? I mean, if
> >you get this global network of small networks...90% of the data you
> >request will probably be on another 'network'. The number of
> >connections between these networks is going to be a lot smaller than
> >connections within the network. Therefore the computers that connect
> >between them are gonna have a much greater strain on them than the
> >ones that are only linked to one 'network'. And if these individual
> >networks fully connect and integrate...you have an opennet. Except you
> >have to physically get your node connections from someone else. So you
> >have an opennet with much fewer connections, which doesn't seem like a
> >good thing.
> >
> >
> >On 8/26/06, Evan Daniel  wrote:
> >>On 8/26/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com  wrote:
> >> > >>Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that 
> >>happens
> >> > >>to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no
main
> >> > >>network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently
is
> >> > >>setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to
> >> > >>everyone else.
> >> > >
> >> > >That is not true.  Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global  
> >>network, not
> >> > >multiple independent networks consisting of small groups.
> >> > >
> >> > >Ian.
> >> >
> >> > Ian,
> >> >
> >> > How can freenet grow to be a global network unless someone in one
group
> >> > trades connection information with someone in another group?
> >> >
> >> > Hypothetical - A group of people in England, another in France,
another 
> >>in
> >> > Russia, and another in China have grown individual trusted 0.7 
> >>freenets. No
> >> > one in any of these groups knows someone in the other freenet group, 
> >>and
> >> > they don't want to just advertise in IRC chat to find someone to 
> >>connect to
> >> > because they don't know and trust this as a way to add people to
their
> >> > freenet. How will these freenet groups become a part of a global 
> >>network?
> >>
> >>They won't.  But your assumptions are off -- there's lots of good
> >>reasons to assume that once a small local network passes a handful of
> >>connected users it will gain a connection to a different network.  And
> >>then you have a global network.  This is what is meant when people say
> >>0.7 is designed to form a global network -- there is no magic, except
> >>for the underlying properties of the social connections the network is
> >>built upon.
> >>
> >>Evan
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RE: [freenet-support] 0,5 or 0,7 should we move this discussion?

[Nicholas Sturm]

I guess you could move it to a place where many of us don't know how to get too. So much has changed from the early freenet that I have found very little of what I once knew about.




- Original Message - 
From: - 
To: support@freenetproject.org
Sent: 8/27/2006 12:15:36 PM 
Subject: [freenet-support] 0,5 or 0,7 should we move this discussion?





Hi,

Great discussion I have a few questions too, but should we move it to another list?
I feel bad about having started it here,

Van







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Re: [freenet-support] 0,5 or 0,7 should we move this discussion?

[Nicholas Sturm]

Even freenet has a habit of talking about places without providing a
pointer.  Is that a built-in property of most freetnet folks.  I.e., if I
know what I'm talking about then everyone knows about it?


 [Original Message]
 From: Juiceman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: support@freenetproject.org
 Date: 8/27/2006 12:22:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [freenet-support] 0,5 or 0,7 should we move this discussion?

 On 8/27/06, - [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 
  Hi,
 
  Great discussion I have a few questions too, but should we move it to
another list?
  I feel bad about having started it here,
 
  Van
 

 The chat mailinglist would be better.  Thanks :)



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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

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 Really, if you don't trust anyone, you shouldn't be using the internet,
 and you probably should reconsider whether life is worth living. :)


I trust a lot of people a little bit.  I don't trust many people a lot. 
And I've never really become acquainted philosophically with anyone on
freenet.

Apart from band width perhaps that's why I read the lists, but no longer
run a node.

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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

[Nicholas Sturm]

When I opened the message below all that displayed was an icon.  When I
attempted to save the icon all hell broke loose.  My mail client was
closed.  After some attempts I was able to reboot and the spamblocker
(earthlink) had examined the message and found nothing suspicious.  However
now I found that a message was displayed as shown below.  A similar
behavior with the message immediately preceding and with the same i icon.
Anyone have some suggestions of what had happened or why the message
behaved so peculiarly?  Incidently the icon was utitled when I attempted
to save it -- my common practice when a mail message appears to be peculiar.


 [Original Message]
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: support@freenetproject.org
 Date: 8/27/2006 12:19:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

 I agree. I wouldn't want to be the only connection between 2 networks, or 
 even one of a small few. I simply don't have the bandwidth. Maybe a T1 or
T3 
 could handle it, but not what 90+% of the people using freenet would have
to 
 work with.

 As I follow these threads I begin to see a core group of people that are 
 promoting 0.7 as the way to go. They have ideas about how it will work,
but 
 so far I haven't seen convincing evidence to show how it's going to
actually 
 do what they say. I understand 0.7 is in it's infancy, but it's really 
 premature and living in an incubator. It's got a long way to go to be
able 
 to meet the level of use people are claiming it will have.

 I was running 0.7, I'm in the process of changing OS on the PC that was 
 running it, but I did not like having to exchange information with
someone 
 on IRC. It's the first time I've ever had anything to do with IRC, and 
 though some people are IRC advocates I've never been one. I didn't know
the 
 people I was connecting to at all, and the only reason it didn't bother
me 
 was because I was simply provide a computer and bandwidth. If I had an 
 agenda, or a real reason to be using freenet, I would never have
considered 
 giving out information. I was about as anonymous as if I had posted my IP 
 address on Google for everyone to view.

 It may be called darknet, but someone forgot to turn off the light.


 Yea, but you don't know all the nodes in the network, you just know
 the ones your connected to. So if one of those links between the
 networks goes down, half your downloads stall out and die. And
 wouldn't that put a pretty big strain on certain computers? I mean, if
 you get this global network of small networks...90% of the data you
 request will probably be on another 'network'. The number of
 connections between these networks is going to be a lot smaller than
 connections within the network. Therefore the computers that connect
 between them are gonna have a much greater strain on them than the
 ones that are only linked to one 'network'. And if these individual
 networks fully connect and integrate...you have an opennet. Except you
 have to physically get your node connections from someone else. So you
 have an opennet with much fewer connections, which doesn't seem like a
 good thing.
 
 
 On 8/26/06, Evan Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 8/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that 
 happens
   to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no
main
   network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently
is
   setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to
   everyone else.
   
   That is not true.  Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global  
 network, not
   multiple independent networks consisting of small groups.
   
   Ian.
  
   Ian,
  
   How can freenet grow to be a global network unless someone in one
group
   trades connection information with someone in another group?
  
   Hypothetical - A group of people in England, another in France,
another 
 in
   Russia, and another in China have grown individual trusted 0.7 
 freenets. No
   one in any of these groups knows someone in the other freenet group, 
 and
   they don't want to just advertise in IRC chat to find someone to 
 connect to
   because they don't know and trust this as a way to add people to
their
   freenet. How will these freenet groups become a part of a global 
 network?
 
 They won't.  But your assumptions are off -- there's lots of good
 reasons to assume that once a small local network passes a handful of
 connected users it will gain a connection to a different network.  And
 then you have a global network.  This is what is meant when people say
 0.7 is designed to form a global network -- there is no magic, except
 for the underlying properties of the social connections the network is
 built upon.
 
 Evan
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[freenet-support] Query

[Nicholas Sturm]

Should not this paragraph say how one gets to it?

Is there a Help Site that goes deeper into the questions newbies may have about 
Freenet, and where people can contribute too?
Yes, an unofficial, more elaborate Freenet Help Site was created, to go deeper 
into the questions newbies may have about the usage and inner-workings of 
Freenet. It's a wiki, thus everybody can contribute too it.

Hm?  I be that underline (here) is the link that is so difficult to read in the 
original location.  Wonder if it works in this relocation? (Nope)

I must admit I have more trouble finding out how to learn about the system now 
than I did three or four years ago, acknowledging the site is almost all new.  

I learned that running the old system via dial-up from an ISP that reboots at 
least once a day was quite impractical, but I do continue to read some of the 
chatter on a regular basis (with a very long blank space in the middle of my 
reading).

Nicholas Sturm
nicksturm at earthlink.net
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[freenet-support] Query

[Nicholas Sturm]

Should not this paragraph say how one gets to it?


Is there a Help Site that goes deeper into the questions newbies may have about Freenet, and where people can contribute too?Yes, an unofficial, more elaborate Freenet Help Site was created, to go deeper into the questions newbies may have about the usage and inner-workings of Freenet. It's a wiki, thus everybody can contribute too it.

Hm? I be that underline (here) is the link that is so difficult to read in the original location. Wonder if it works in this relocation? (Nope)

I must admit I have more trouble finding out how to learn about the system now than I did three or four years ago, acknowledging the site is almost all new. 

I learned that running the old system via dial-up from an ISP that reboots at least once a day was quite impractical, but I do continue to read some of the chatter on a regular basis (with a very long blank space in the middle of my reading).

Nicholas Sturm
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

[Nicholas Sturm]

Please foreward a copy of the unstable version of WW1.  Thank you.


- Original Message - 
From: Ortwin Regel 
To: support at freenetproject.org
Sent: 8/23/2006 1:39:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7


The stable version of WW1 was so much better...


On 8/23/06, Ian Clarke  wrote:
On 22 Aug 2006, at 20:37, an ominous cow herd wrote:
You never experienced World War I, but I bet you know something about it. 


Yes, but I wouldn't lecture those who had actually experienced it, and I think 
you will find Freenet 0.7 a somewhat more pleasant experience than the first 
world war. 


Ian.




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phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog  



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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

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Please foreward a copy of the unstable version of WW1. Thank you.




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To: support@freenetproject.org
Sent: 8/23/2006 1:39:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
The stable version of WW1 was so much better...
On 8/23/06, Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





On 22 Aug 2006, at 20:37, an ominous cow herd wrote:

You never experienced World War I, but I bet you know something about it. 


Yes, but I wouldn't lecture those who had actually experienced it, and I think you will find Freenet 0.7 a somewhat more pleasant experience than the first world war. 

Ian.


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[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

[Nicholas Sturm]

Actually, since it is open software and the former 0.5 is extant can't you just 
do that?


- Original Message - 
From: - 
To: support at freenetproject.org
Sent: 8/19/2006 3:11:05 PM 
Subject: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7


Hi,

I think you're making a mistake in forcing new people into the beta test 
freenet 0.7 instead of the established 0.5.

You're forgetting how _highly_ someone new has to be motivated to try freenet, 
even version 0.5 which works and is not a beta test. Let's think about what 
would motivate someone...

I remember when I found freenet, I installed it spent hours reading over the 
technical jargon.
It was incredible slow. I removed it thinking this is a pile of crap that does 
not work.

Only a few months later, did I again bother to go through this
complicated process and after waiting for three days with it on, it finally 
started working.

The reason I spent many hours and went back after throwing it out once, was 
because I was _highly motivated_ for the anonymity and content.

Here's the problem:

If 0.7 doesn't offer the anonymity and the content, plus it's an unstable beta 
test, 
why would anyone new bother to join the community? 

Do you think people are nice enough to offer their time and computers to beta 
test some random highly technical peer to peer application that completely hogs 
your computer's resources?



The problem with freenet (even 0.5) is, it just isn't user friendly.
A person who just stumbles on freenet does not know if it's actually going to 
work. After seeing how slow it is, most people, like myself will just get rid 
of it, not bothering to learn all the configurations, frost, fuqid, etc.

If you took the time to create a simple, down-to-earth website and install 
program without all the technical jargon, you would double or triple your user 
base.

The only NEW users you're going to get to freenet 0.7 are going to be 
peer-to-peer programming enthusiasts. And how many of those are there that 
don't know about freenet already?

So instead of scaring all potential freenet users away, It would be wiser to 
just ask members of the freenet community to do the beta testing, and create a 
nice user friendly website for 0,5 until 0,7 is working. Even I would be 
willing to help create this website, and I'm sure many other people also would 
volunteer.

Best Regards,

Van
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RE: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

[Nicholas Sturm]

Actually, since it is open software and the former 0.5 is extant can't you just do that?




- Original Message - 
From: - 
To: support@freenetproject.org
Sent: 8/19/2006 3:11:05 PM 
Subject: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7





Hi,

I think you're making a mistake in forcing new people into the beta test freenet 0.7 instead of the established 0.5.

You're forgetting how _highly_ someone new has to be motivated to try freenet, even version 0.5 which works and is not a beta test. Let's think about what would motivate someone...

I remember when Ifound freenet,I installed itspent hours reading over the technical jargon.
It was incredible slow. I removed it thinking this is a pile of crap that does not work.

Only a few months later, did I again bother to go through this
complicated process and after waitingfor three dayswith it on, it finally started working.

The reason I spentmany hours and went back after throwing it outonce, was becauseI was _highly motivated_ for the anonymity and content.

Here's the problem:

If 0.7 doesn't offer the anonymity and the content, plus it's an unstable beta test, 
why would anyone new bother to join the community? 

Do you think people are nice enough to offer their time and computers to beta test somerandom highly technical peer to peer application that completely hogs your computer's resources?



The problem with freenet (even 0.5) is, it just isn't user friendly.
Aperson who just stumbles on freenet does not know if it's actually going to work. After seeing how slow it is, most people, like myself will just get rid of it, not bothering to learn all the configurations, frost, fuqid, etc.

If you took the time to create a simple, down-to-earth website and install program without all the technical jargon, you would double or triple your user base.

The onlyNEWusers you're going to get to freenet 0.7 are going to be peer-to-peer programming enthusiasts. And how many of those are there that don't know about freenet already?

So instead of scaring all potential freenet users away, It would be wiser to just ask members of the freenet community to do the beta testing, and create a nice user friendly website for 0,5 until 0,7 is working. Even I would be willing to helpcreate this website, and I'm sure many other people also would volunteer.

Best Regards,

Van











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[freenet-support] Exception in thread "Decoderforfreenet.client.async.SplitFileFetcherSegment@d89f94"

[Nicholas Sturm]

Good luck!


> [Original Message]
> From: 
> To: 
> Date: 8/16/2006 12:02:30 PM
> Subject: RE: [freenet-support] Exception in thread
"Decoderforfreenet.client.async.SplitFileFetcherSegment at d89f94"
>
> I'm on the irc channel. Now I have to find that place that tells me how
to 
> post but bulix URL. I think it said use ?raw at the end, but can't
remember 
> exactly. Once I can get this freenet connection I'll let it run with
about 
> 1/3 of my BW. I can contribute at least a little to freedon, and maybe
later 
> I can learn how to do other things with it.
>
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Good luck!


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 I'm on the irc channel. Now I have to find that place that tells me how
to 
 post but bulix URL. I think it said use ?raw at the end, but can't
remember 
 exactly. Once I can get this freenet connection I'll let it run with
about 
 1/3 of my BW. I can contribute at least a little to freedon, and maybe
later 
 I can learn how to do other things with it.

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[freenet-support] Freenet can no longer start

[Nicholas Sturm]

Does anyone have an easy way to unpack the attached file.  One long line
separated by | is not very easy to read and comprehend.  I suppose this is
a standard format on some type of OS, but not on Windows.

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> [Original Message]
> From: Shoey Fighter 
> To: 
> Date: 8/8/2006 1:35:22 PM
> Subject: [freenet-support] Freenet can no longer start
>
> Hello. Over the past few days, I have been having  a lot of trouble
> with freenet. First, the update script would constantly fail because
> it could not detect any mirrors, then it would promptly become an
> empty file. This forced me to fetch a new update script from the
> repository. After trying this a few more times, i decided to delete
> all of my jar files, and once again fetch the update script from the
> repository. Finally, this seemed to work, as the update script did not
> delete itself.
>
> However, Freenet still will not start. After looking over the
> wrapper.log, it seems that I have been getting OOM errors when it is
> trying to start. I have included the important part of my wrapper.log
> (hopefully).
>
> I am running the latest version of freenet (if the update.sh script is
> not lying to me) on Fedora Core 5 with the Sun java 1.5 VM.
>
> Thanks,
> shoeyfighter

RE: [freenet-support] Freenet can no longer start

[Nicholas Sturm]

Does anyone have an easy way to unpack the attached file.  One long line
separated by | is not very easy to read and comprehend.  I suppose this is
a standard format on some type of OS, but not on Windows.

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 From: Shoey Fighter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: support@freenetproject.org
 Date: 8/8/2006 1:35:22 PM
 Subject: [freenet-support] Freenet can no longer start

 Hello. Over the past few days, I have been having  a lot of trouble
 with freenet. First, the update script would constantly fail because
 it could not detect any mirrors, then it would promptly become an
 empty file. This forced me to fetch a new update script from the
 repository. After trying this a few more times, i decided to delete
 all of my jar files, and once again fetch the update script from the
 repository. Finally, this seemed to work, as the update script did not
 delete itself.

 However, Freenet still will not start. After looking over the
 wrapper.log, it seems that I have been getting OOM errors when it is
 trying to start. I have included the important part of my wrapper.log
 (hopefully).

 I am running the latest version of freenet (if the update.sh script is
 not lying to me) on Fedora Core 5 with the Sun java 1.5 VM.

 Thanks,
 shoeyfighter


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[freenet-support] From 0.5 to 0.7

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> [Original Message]
> From: Matthew Toseland 
> To: Level 13 
> Cc: 
> Date: 7/28/2006 9:20:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [freenet-support] From 0.5 to 0.7
>
> You have to connect to a **0.7** node. Actually you have to connect to
> several. And yes, the content is different; it's an incompatible content
> reset.
>
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 11:43:56PM +0200, Level 13 wrote:
> > What's the best plan for upgrading from 0.5 to 0.7?
> > Is it still so that in order to use 0.7 you have to know a node that's
> > already in the network? If so, can I simply pick any node from "open
> > connections" on my node's control panel?
> > 
> > Is the content under 0.7 the same or completely different?
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> Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/
> ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so.

[freenet-support] From 0.5 to 0.7

[Nicholas Sturm]

I don't think you answered all of his question(s).


> [Original Message]
> From: Matthew Toseland 
> To: Level 13 
> Cc: 
> Date: 7/28/2006 9:20:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [freenet-support] From 0.5 to 0.7
>
> You have to connect to a **0.7** node. Actually you have to connect to
> several. And yes, the content is different; it's an incompatible content
> reset.
>
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 11:43:56PM +0200, Level 13 wrote:
> > What's the best plan for upgrading from 0.5 to 0.7?
> > Is it still so that in order to use 0.7 you have to know a node that's
> > already in the network? If so, can I simply pick any node from "open
> > connections" on my node's control panel?
> > 
> > Is the content under 0.7 the same or completely different?
> -- 
> Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org
> Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/
> ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so.

Re: [freenet-support] From 0.5 to 0.7

[Nicholas Sturm]

I don't think you answered all of his question(s).


 [Original Message]
 From: Matthew Toseland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Level 13 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: support@freenetproject.org
 Date: 7/28/2006 9:20:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [freenet-support] From 0.5 to 0.7

 You have to connect to a **0.7** node. Actually you have to connect to
 several. And yes, the content is different; it's an incompatible content
 reset.

 On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 11:43:56PM +0200, Level 13 wrote:
  What's the best plan for upgrading from 0.5 to 0.7?
  Is it still so that in order to use 0.7 you have to know a node that's
  already in the network? If so, can I simply pick any node from open
  connections on my node's control panel?
  
  Is the content under 0.7 the same or completely different?
 -- 
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 Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/
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Re: [freenet-support] From 0.5 to 0.7

[Nicholas Sturm]

 [Original Message]
 From: Matthew Toseland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Level 13 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: support@freenetproject.org
 Date: 7/28/2006 9:20:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [freenet-support] From 0.5 to 0.7

 You have to connect to a **0.7** node. Actually you have to connect to
 several. And yes, the content is different; it's an incompatible content
 reset.

 On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 11:43:56PM +0200, Level 13 wrote:
  What's the best plan for upgrading from 0.5 to 0.7?
  Is it still so that in order to use 0.7 you have to know a node that's
  already in the network? If so, can I simply pick any node from open
  connections on my node's control panel?
  
  Is the content under 0.7 the same or completely different?
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RE: [freenet-support] Segfaultsinfreenet.node.ds.FSDataStoreElement$KeyInputStreamImpl.close()

[Nicholas Sturm]

Of course, not all of what one reads has any necessary relationship to
truth.
But then, is there anyone that knows truth?


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 Date: 8/28/2005 10:37:20 PM


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RE: [freenet-support] HELP!

[Nicholas Sturm]

Assuming you are on Windows version...
You probably still have freenet running. Check for an icon in the tray associated with freenet. Click it and try turning it off. If that does not work try ctrl-alt-del and end any task that seems to be a part of freenet. Then try deleting the freenet directory. That usually solves the orphan problem. In the future try avoiding the running of experimental wear on a production machine (i.e., you principle machine you need to have in working condition).




- Original Message - 
From: SAMARA BLUM 
To: support@freenetproject.org
Sent: 7/9/2005 6:52:15 PM 
Subject: [freenet-support] HELP!

I am trying to uninstall Freenet. For some reason it is taking up 39gb and my computer is really slow now. I have tried to delete the file, but it says that it is being used by other programs. I cannot figure out how to delete this file. Please help me! 

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RE: [freenet-support] Uninstalling Freenet

[Nicholas Sturm]

It sounds like you have freenet running. Do you have any icons of freenet visible in the tray? If none then do a ctrl-alt-del and and check for anything that resembles freenet and delete them from Windows Task Manager. Exit Windows Task Manager and try deleting the freenet Folder.




- Original Message - 
From: Ernest Roberts, Jr. 
To: support@freenetproject.org
Sent: 7/6/2005 2:47:00 PM 
Subject: [freenet-support] Uninstalling Freenet

I'm too much a beginner. I want to uninstall Freenet and leave it to the experts. I'm running Windows XP with substantially more than the minimum system requirements. I haven't succeeded in getting my installation up and running. However, Freenet isn't even listed on the Add/Remove page, and the folder in which all the files are stored cannot be deleted.

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Re: [freenet-support] Opera 8 and Anonyminity warning

[Nicholas Sturm]

Next time you suspect that freenet is the slowest system try this business
URL:

https://h30046.www3.hp.com/subprofile_summary.php

I thought they wanted me to update my profile in this life time.  I think I
was wrong.

Nick Sturm

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Re: [freenet-support] cannot find the main class error

[Nicholas Sturm]

I still like the first question.  Or is the implied answer, I just wanted
it that way?


 [Original Message]
 From: Paul Derbyshire [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 12/20/2004 10:20:28 AM
 Subject: Re: [freenet-support] cannot find the main class error

 On 20 Dec 2004 at 9:22, Dave wrote:

  I assumed that 8.3 name creation was part of the VFAT spec.  Why would
you 
  want to turn it off?  (This is a genuine question, not a troll.  I'm 
  wondering what the benefits might be)
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Konstantin Svist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 1:19 AM
  Subject: RE: [freenet-support] cannot find the main class error
  
  
  I've found my problem. When installing JRE, it installed to C:\Program
  Files\Java\... but I had the 8.3 name creation turned off on my system.
When
  I recreated the 8.3 name, everything started working.
  
  Hope this helps if anyone runs into the same problem

 A better question would be: why isn't Freenet (or perhaps the JRE 
 itself) fully LFN-compatible? Especially given that it's cross-
 platform, and some systems (Mac, *nix) don't have 8.3 filenames at 
 all...
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Re: [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?

[Nicholas Sturm]

Actually I would not even want access to someone's server -- too much
responsibility.
But I've not been running a node for a while (system crash that was not
totally 
destructive) and I don't want to risk a problem on this machine.  I'm not
too
useful with dial-up anyway.  Even just being here as a tester probably
doesn't 
help much.


 [Original Message]
 From: vinyl1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 12/2/2004 2:27:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?



 -Original Message-
 From: Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Dec 2, 2004 12:07 PM
 To: Newsbyte [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?

 Motion to ban as a troll?

 Opposed.  Free speech for all, even soreheads.  Call it vigorous debate.

 Actually, quite a bit of useful information for those who haven't
followed the details that closely came out in this exchange.   Matthew
defends his position quite well.  

 Of course, the speech issue is entirely separate from whether you want to
give any particular person access to any particular server.


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Re: [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?

[Nicholas Sturm]

Hm?  Seems like attempts to direct replies here are still in a state
that keeps me confused.  This was address to Reply and one
additional address I considered not the list and it still went out on
the list.

Are there some directions for replying to a specific address?


 [Original Message]
 From: Nicholas Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: vinyl1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 12/2/2004 4:47:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?

 Actually I would not even want access to someone's server -- too much
 responsibility.
 But I've not been running a node for a while (system crash that was not
 totally 
 destructive) and I don't want to risk a problem on this machine.  I'm not
 too
 useful with dial-up anyway.  Even just being here as a tester probably
 doesn't 
 help much.


  [Original Message]
  From: vinyl1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: 12/2/2004 2:27:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Dec 2, 2004 12:07 PM
  To: Newsbyte [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?
 
  Motion to ban as a troll?
 
  Opposed.  Free speech for all, even soreheads.  Call it vigorous debate.
 
  Actually, quite a bit of useful information for those who haven't
 followed the details that closely came out in this exchange.   Matthew
 defends his position quite well.  
 
  Of course, the speech issue is entirely separate from whether you want
to
 give any particular person access to any particular server.
 
 
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of

[Nicholas Sturm]

  Thanks for your answers, all in all I'm happy now with the performance
of
  Freenet, I've given it 6GB to store data and it already uses 1.5GB.

 Woah. You're happy with the performance of freenet? This cannot happen,
 it doesn't make sense, it's against all Newsbyte's assertions, the sky
 is falling... :)
 -- 

He can't be on anything below DSL or he is happy on a Commodore.


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RE: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of

[Nicholas Sturm]

I need a translator for this.  I don't claim to speak, read or write
anything but American English -- corrupted by living in a few too many
different sites in United States of America.


 [Original Message]
 From: BlueStar88 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 12/1/2004 1:21:06 PM
 Subject: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Is it always this slow?/kicked out
of

 Hummm... some guys talked 'bout putting things in the correct ML.. 
 does that all really fit into 'support' ?

 Just a question.

 May you should do that by PM. I don't like that feelings here, even 
 i'm not an official member with a freenet.org address. Doing such 
 things in public is not professional.




 Sincerely

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RE: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of

[Nicholas Sturm]

Thanks for your help.  I assume that to mean you
did not have something important to say to anyone
except the person you were answering.  I still need
a translator.  I did not understand some of the
abbreviation, or that was my presumption.  I do
read all message that look like they are using
English words, but in this case the choice or
sequencing of the tokens left me guessing in
two many segments.

But, nothing tried, nothing gained.

Have a good day in German.  I neglect
to attempt writing in languages that I did
not learn before the age of seventy.


 [Original Message]
 From: BlueStar88 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 12/1/2004 2:23:56 PM
 Subject: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Is it always this slow?/kicked out
of

 Nicholas Sturm wrote:
  I need a translator for this.  I don't claim to speak, read or write
  anything but American English -- corrupted by living in a few too many
  different sites in United States of America.

 Do that in error free german and we can discuss about.

 Not all people on your computer are natural english speaking. I'm 
 trying my best, but sorry, i forgot, you US guys like to tend to 
 think there are only US guys around with the highest level of 
 language evolution and the rest are non-developed 3rd world people.
 Another flamewar is going to begin.. baahh ;-)

 I was just going to say, that flamewars on project support 
 mailing-lists are not professional and should better be done by 
 private mail.

 And that is just and only a suggestion.



 Sincerely




 PS: By the way .. i have some difficulties to understand the last 
 part of your sentence above.. but that's my problem i think

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RE: [freenet-support] a dead horse and other animals

[Nicholas Sturm]

Don't bury your problem on page 3 of your letter.  Research has
shown that a plea for donations should be three pages long,
but that does not mean that most read more than the first 
paragraph and the last.


 [Original Message]
 From: Newsbyte [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 11/25/2004 10:16:38 AM
 Subject: [freenet-support] a dead horse and other animals

 Now, Ian always claims I don't say anything worthwhile, so I want it to be
 noted that I say now, very clearly, that the installer is bugged. There is
 definitely something wrong with it. Now, no doubt that bug will linger
there
 for another 4 months at least - if not forever, but I *did* tell you now
 about it, so don't be telling me I said nothing about it!

 I spent a couple of hours the last two days to try to get it working, as
in
 just getting the damn thing installed...but it just doesn't. I've tried
the
 web installer just letting it run, downloading it on the HD and trying to
run
 it, changing my reedit [?] of my JVM (as Kev told me), restarting it,
 uninstalling my JVM, reinstalling it, trying some other stuff,
 re-uninstalling it, trying to download the java+freenetinstall, got it
back
 corrupted, etc.

 Thereis NO WAY a noob wanting to try Freenet would go through even half of
 all this.



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RE: [freenet-support] java.lang.NullPointerException

[Nicholas Sturm]

I think you will find there is are no entries for freenet in your registry
so simply deleting all of the freenet directory should accomplish you goal.


 [Original Message]
 From: Haven Skys [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 11/13/2004 2:58:35 PM
 Subject: [freenet-support] java.lang.NullPointerException

 I'm using windows XP SP2

I haven't been able to use freenet yet, and after a couple weeks of it not
working I've tried to remove it.  Unfortunately I am unable to find an
uninstaller anywhere either.  The freenet loader says, Freenet is loading
 Please wait forever.  This is what the log reports.
Could someone help?  As a side, how do I uninstall freenet?

Thanks,
HS

SNIP Freenet log
INFO: Native CPUID library
'freenet/support/CPUInformation/jcpuid-x86-windows.dll' loaded from
resourceINFO: Optimized native BigInteger library
'net/i2p/util/jbigi-windows-athlon.dll' loaded from
resourcejava.lang.NumberFormatException: java.lang.NullPointerException
at freenet.DSAAuthentity.getX(DSAAuthentity.java:61)
at freenet.DSAAuthentity.init(DSAAuthentity.java:36)
at freenet.node.Main.loadNodeFile(Main.java:2941)
at freenet.node.Main.main(Main.java:515)
Nov 13, 2004 9:42:09 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, ERROR): Unexpected
Exception: java.lang.NumberFormatExceptionjava.lang.NumberFormatException:
java.lang.NullPointerException
at freenet.DSAAuthentity.getX(DSAAuthentity.java:61)
at freenet.DSAAuthentity.init(DSAAuthentity.java:36)
at freenet.node.Main.loadNodeFile(Main.java:2941)
at freenet.node.Main.main(Main.java:515)
/SNIP





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RE: [freenet-support] Re: Freenet (5099 stable) tries to connect toIANA reserved IPs

[Nicholas Sturm]

How about teaching us something since there are far more than a simple
majority of us that became network administrators because we purchased a
machine with Windows XP or Windows 2000 pre-installed and have that ducky
error message devised by Microsoft that says
consult your system administrator for any problems (paraphrased only
slightly).  Of course since I consider most politicians as likely members
of the idiot class, being a moron is somewhat flattering.  My Windows
2000 machine went flakey when I tried to download the last security patch
so I'm now just XP entrapped because the Windows 2000 machine will not
contact the Internet and my freenet node has been inactive for the last two
or three months.

Thanks for your help.

the other Nick


 [Original Message]
 From: zb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 11/6/2004 5:48:41 PM
 Subject: [freenet-support] Re: Freenet (5099 stable) tries to connect
toIANA  reserved IPs

 Klaus Eckhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  freenet tries to connect to
  some strange IPs from time to time. So far I noticed connection
  attempts to:
  
  - 5.0.2.0
  - 5.255.116.166
  - 1.121.22.146
  
  All these IPs are IANA reserved (and will be blocked by ProtoWall
  for that reason). I'm wondering why freenet tries to connect
  to this IPs, maybe it's a bug? Anybody else noticed such a
  behaviour?

 I suspect that this is because some clueless network administrators have
 given machines on their LAN's these addresses. The computer that
 have these ip addresses will be behind NAT's so when they make outgoing
 connections it comes from a real ip allocated by the ISP they are
 connected through.

 Another classic one is morons who use 192.0.0.0/8 instead of
 192.168.0.0/16 then wonder why they can't reach website like
 adobe.com at 192.150.14.120

 zb

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Re: [freenet-support] which jvm?

[Nicholas Sturm]

Won't help me if the explanation is in Italian.


 [Original Message]
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freenetsup Maillist
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 10/9/2004 2:52:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [freenet-support] which jvm?


 Remailer operator, as freenet node owner, works
  for free and pay for it.

 Let them have some fun .

 Never seen, with an Italian speaking friend, why antani remailer
  has this name ? It is explained on the remailer site.

 Ciao.   Marco

 On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 01:01, Nicholas Sturm wrote:
  Actually, anonymous might be a good substitute for futureworlds; 
  a choice that might be clearer, even to all nubies, and not just 
  assumed to be a pseudonym, or a moniker bestowed by parents 
  such as Mr.  Mrs. Graff who named their son Auto Graff.
  
  
   [Original Message]
   From: A.Melon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Date: 10/8/2004 6:46:26 PM
   Subject: Re: [freenet-support] which jvm?
  
   In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
   Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   
On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 05:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Although if you do get it to work, futureworlds, let us know,
  please.
   
Er ... futureworlds is a Mixmaster anonymous remailer dummy
address.
   
   Ah, I see.  This issue has come up before with somebody using Toad's
  email
   address to mail to the list.
   
   I wish it was common to insert some kind of short text, forwarded
from
   or some
   such.
   
   -todd
   
  
   Why is that?
  
   I thought that of all people, surely freenet users would understand a
   desire to remain anonymous.
  
  
  
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Re: [freenet-support] Some infos on improving the memory footprintand routing

[Nicholas Sturm]

snip

  I hope this may help some of you and I would be very happy to hear
wheter it
  did or not.

 Very interesting. Everyone else on the list buys into the holy doctrine
 that the JVM should be left alone to deal with GCing.
 -- 
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 Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/
 ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so.

Well, not quite.  I don't know enough to even express an opinion.

Hope this broad claim does not follow the logic of the U.S. Attorney
General's office. It can't be a problem with civil right
or we would have heard a lot of complains.  ... Whew, thank goodness no
one has found out yet that we are spying on
every tenth citizen.  If they every do, we won't have time to do anything
but deny our activities.

:-)


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RE: [freenet-support] is there any documentation

[Nicholas Sturm]

I didn't understand that answer about load either -- of course I've never know what was being "carried" in that "load." Concept clearly is meaningful only to those who understand what constitutes "load." If one knows the answer, it can be hard to understand the question. If one does not know the answer, 




- Original Message - 
From: UltraRed 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 9/16/2004 12:46:33 AM 
Subject: [freenet-support] is there any documentation

that explains what the "load status" means on the freenet web interface? 

also, who do i interpret the other data under "load" on the general information page as well as the other pages?

thanks.

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RE: [freenet-support] connecting to freenet?

[Nicholas Sturm]

Also remember to avoid as much jargon as possible.  I should know what a
wiki is, but what always comes to mind is a small open-air shack on a
Hawaiian island.


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 Date: 9/15/2004 9:05:35 AM
 Subject: [freenet-support] connecting to freenet?

 Yes, well...welcom to the club. It's really not that much of a surprise.

 What can I say?


 I suggest you scrutinise www.freenethelp.org and see if you can find any
 useful hints there.

 Your situation is not unique, and there are some possible reasons
mentionned
 on the wiki, but it still could be that it doesn't apply in your case.

 For instance, I suspect that people that have a router/firewall still have
 more difficulties running (connecting) it, even though the new builds are
 supposed to work without a prob even if you have one. I'm wondering
 though...can anyone, preferably a devl, explain to me what exactly is the
 deal in regard to that? DOES it work now 'out of the box', or do you need
to
 adapt your configuration (NAT, port,...) and if so to what degree. Pls
make
 a clear and understandable (for noobs) explanation so that I can
copypaste
 it on the wiki. (Also if there are other likely opinions on why a node
can't
 connect after hours are welcommed).

 Any volunteers?

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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Down!

[Nicholas Sturm]

Oh, come now.  Does not anyone remember that a version number below 1.00 
or a variation there of means developmental.
As long as any software is developmental it means failures of a new 
version is almost certain.  Even multi-billion companies can seldom 
produce software that runs on every machine.  I can think of one rather 
large company that can't (won't) even try to make software work if you 
run anything but their software on a freshly install machine.  Need I 
say who that company is?


miguel wrote:
For the first time since I started Freenet some 10 months ago it has failed!
Build 5085 was fine. 5086... trash.  Downhill.  It would not find even YoYo, plus,
it would just disconnect after 4 or 5 hours.  This is a first for me since I usually 
run
Freenet for days without a restart.
Enter 5087.  THe last time 5086 disconnected I went to my web interface and I found
5087.  Great!  I'll update and these problems with 5086 will be fixed.
Fat chance.  Now Freenet won't even connect, period!
Log file:
Jul 27, 2004 5:21:34 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, ERROR): Caught 
java.lang.OutOfMemoryError running or seeding node
java.lang.OutOfMemoryError
This is a first for me.  A rollback to 5085 is in order.  Danke!  (Do I need to polish my German 
a bit and go to Entropy?)  Ich denke das ist nicht sehr gut.  Auf wiedersehn Freenet?

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[freenet-support] 5086

[Nicholas Sturm]

Finally got a 5086 after suppressing previous jars by renaming.  -- Nick
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Re: [freenet-support] In need of opinions and ideas

[Nicholas Sturm]

snip
Anyway, long live king bush
 

Has anyone figured out what he had for lunch.  The schmerk is almost 
missing in his salute picture in the USA Today shot by AFP.
Does that stand for Air Force Photograph.  I didn't say gone, just 
almost missing.

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Re: [freenet-support] Load

[Nicholas Sturm]

David Masover wrote:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Toad wrote:
| No, if you can do that, then you can portscan for Freenet nodes. That's
| a REALLY bad idea. You need to use some sort of seednodes mechanism.
Why is that a bad idea?  If a government is paranoid enough, they can
just put devices all over which block any crypted traffic.
Some sort of way for an effective seednodes file to be chosen or built
quickly, then.
|Obviously clients should be able to override that, but I think that 
fast
|node connection is feasable, if The Network (TM) was fast enough.
|
|
| Maybe so. But we want them to be USEFUL to the network. That won't
| happen if they're only up for 5 minutes.

They are useful if they make it more popular.  Suppose there is some
lag, say, 30 seconds to a minute to get an effective seednodes.ref.  On
top of that, such a node probably wouldn't be able to have a terribly
big cache.  Then there's incentive for people to whine for permanent
nodes, and it wouldn't be too long before these Public Access Internet
Terminals (or whatever hype word they use now) start being preloaded
with Freenet.

When governments gets involved in censorship, it is not usually that 
they are paranoid, but that they want the power to control.
Sometimes to control the masses, but more often just to control the 
unloyal opposition, or those who simply disagree with them.

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[freenet-support] New distribution

[Nicholas Sturm]

For the first time in several months I'm getting modifiers on the icons
of inbound  outbound.

Number of requests (sent/received) 1902/6872

  

  
Type
  
Peer
  
Messages
  
Queue
  
Datatransferred
  
Idletime
  
Lifetime


  
  
  
  130.83.163.154:21507
  99:22
  -
  6,830Bytes
  21 s
  48:10


  
  
  
  140.247.204.34:1789
  201:190
  -
  190KiB
  22 s
  47:49


  
  
  
  p2p.dyndns.info:9500
  122:575
  -
  525KiB
  6 s
  47:48


  
  
  
  benedikt.dyndns.info:62085
  93:65
  -
  8,023Bytes
  5 s
  46:57


  
  
  
  66.26.77.109:6887
  123:253
  -
  212KiB
  21 s
  46:35


  
  
  
  193.205.163.168:33158
  177:107
  -
  67KiB
  14 s
  46:29


  
  
  
  24.158.21.13:46696
  1159:858
  -
  380KiB
  0 s
  46:28


  
  
  
  69.50.242.114:25082
  157:199
  -
  164KiB
  0 s
  46:23


  
  
  
  phisatho.homeip.net:9822
  1124:597
  -
  243KiB
  6 s
  46:19


  
  
  
  freehost.dnsalias.org:9818
  96:241
  -
  193KiB
  1 s
  46:16


  
  
  
  82.182.97.195:29003
  106:39
  -
  12KiB
  32 s
  46:09


  
  
  
  67.100.90.41:13235
  96:16
  -
  6,742Bytes
  39 s
  46:07


  
  
  
  134.147.128.177:17869
  88:8
  -
  4,285Bytes
  1:02
  45:38


  
  
  
  eckmail.dyndns.org:5
  87:14
  -
  5,078Bytes
  30 s
  45:29


  
  
  
  68.187.117.4:56722
  87:12
  -
  5,067Bytes
  4 s
  45:06


  
  
  
  69.3.61.165:40736
  90:53
  -
  14KiB
  12 s
  43:23


  
  
  
  24.168.168.234:61380
  1819:668
  -
  679KiB
  0 s
  43:18


  
  
  
  wasitbill.truthhides.com:37920
  1073:622
  -
  261KiB
  1 s
  43:09


  
  
  
  myaddress.mine.nu:43188
  212:306
  -
  267KiB
  6 s
  38:13


  
  
  
  no addresses
  6557:3544
  -
  1,945KiB
  0 s
  37:34


  
  
  
  81.86.79.102:45251
  326:290
  -
  186KiB
  0 s
  37:31


  
  
  
  217.112.178.6:25845
  :905
  -
  494KiB
  0 s
  37:29


  
  
  
  24.0.237.164:54260
  1578:1136
  -
  570KiB
  0 s
  34:46


  
  
  
  81.57.93.31:15212
  2203:1130
  -
  643KiB
  0 s
  34:00


  
  
  
  sadpony.homedns.org:23233
  458:1300
  -
  773KiB
  10 s
  30:46


  
  
  
  24.88.102.148:47773
  202:143
  -
  41KiB
  0 s
  9:47


  
  
  
  red5.mine.nu:24698
  40:26
  -
  13KiB
  0 s
  2:07

  




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[freenet-support] Sorry if any of those was too large. Feel free to kill as much as desired.

[Nicholas Sturm]

Null.
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Re: [freenet-support] In need of opinions and ideas

[Nicholas Sturm]

Sorry, local Americanism, I guess.  If is a smile that has an artificial 
appearance because the corner of the mouth don't seem to know where they 
should be.  Usually carries a derogatory implication to the observer, 
perhaps forced grim would carry the idea. --  Sorry.

Zenon Panoussis wrote:

Nicholas Sturm wrote:
Has anyone figured out what he had for lunch.  The schmerk is almost 
missing in his salute picture in the USA Today shot by AFP.
Does that stand for Air Force Photograph.  I didn't say gone, just 
almost missing.

What's a schmerk?
Agence France Presse.
Z


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[freenet-support] More outtakes

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   Smoothed local mean traffic (queries per hour): 9352.503
   Smoothing half life (lsHalfLifeHours): 1.200 hour.
That is, the rate decays completely to a new value after 12.000 hour.
   Instantaneous local traffic: 5541.582 queries per hour.
That is, the last 500 queries arrived in 324.817 second or 0.090 hour.
   Current proportion of requests being accepted: 1.000
   Current advertise probability: 0.029
   Traffic data from 100 nodes (max allowed 100), of which 85 were
used.
The oldest 5% and the smallest and largest 5% (up to 10% if
the table is not full) are not used in computing statistics.
   Global mean traffic per node (queries per hour): 5453.235
   Global median traffic per node (queries per hour): 3824.000
   Standard Deviation of global traffic per node: 4290.161



  

  
  
  
  Uptime:  0 days,  0 hours,  57 minutes 
Current routingTime: 0ms. 
Pooled threads running jobs: 18   (15%)  
Pooled threads which are idle: 21
Current estimated load for rate limiting: 15%. 
Load due to thread limit = 15%
Load due to routingTime = 10% = 100ms / 1000ms = overloadLow (100%)
Load due to messageSendTimeRequest = 11.8% = 118ms / 1000ms =
overloadLow (100%)
Load
due to output bandwidth limiting = 6.5% because outputBytes(38308)
= limit (589824.009 ) = outLimitCutoff (0.8) * outputBandwidthLimit
(12288) * 60
Load due to expected inbound transfers: 0.5% because:
3070.2743633516343 req/hr * 0.002732390326442652 (pTransfer) * 121167.0
bytes = 1016492 bytes/hr expected from current requests, but
maxInputBytes/minute = 2949120 (output limit assumed smaller than input
capacity) * 60 * 1.1 = 194641920 bytes/hr target
Current estimated load for QueryRejecting: 15%. 
  
  
  


  
  

  




  

  Architecture
and Operating System
  


  
  
  


  
  
  
  


  
  
  

  
Architecture
x86
  
  
Available processors
1
  
  
Operating System
Windows 2000
  
  
OS Version
5.0
  

  
  
  


  
  
  

  


  

  
  
  


  
  Java
Virtual Machine
  


  
  
  


  
  
  
  


  
  
  

  
JVM Vendor
Sun
Microsystems Inc.
  
  
JVM Name
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM
  
  
JVM Version
1.4.2_05-b04
  

  
  
  


  
  
  

  


  

  
  
  


  
  Memory
Allocation
  


  
  
  


  
  
  
  


  
  
  

  
Maximum memory the JVM will allocate
130,112 KiB
  
  
Memory currently allocated by the JVM
25,344 KiB
  
  
Memory in use
21,822,432 Bytes
  
  
Estimated memory used by logger
None
  
  
Unused allocated memory
4,127,928 Bytes
  

  
  
  


  
  
  

  


  

  
  
  


  
  Data
Store
  


  
  
  


  
  
  
  


  
  
  

  
Maximum size
376 MiB
  
  
Used space
381,608 KiB
  
  
Free space
3,416 KiB
  
  
Percent used
99
  
  
Total keys
3225
  
  
Space used by temp files
7,776 KiB
  
  
Maximum space for temp files
131,421,529 Bytes
  
  
Most recent file access time
Fri Jul 23 05:12:05 EDT 2004
  
  
Least recent file access time
Tue May 11 05:24:40 EDT 2004
  

  
  
  


  
  
  

  


  

  
  
  


  
  Transports
  


  
  
  


  
  
  
  


  
  
  

  
Current IPv4 address
63.191.136.113
  
  
Current IPv4 port
49980
  
  
ARK sequence number
123
  
  
Last ARK sequence number inserted
122
  

  
  
  


  
  
  

  


  

  
  

[freenet-support] Prompts

[Nicholas Sturm]

Are you sure you have configured Freenet correctly?
With the sure in there, is this not guaranteed to have the answer, Duh?
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[freenet-support] The hang on lost Internet

[Nicholas Sturm]

Todd, now that you're back with us:  Obviously going into the 100% state 
after loosing a connection does nothing beneficial for the network.  If 
I kill my note each evening in anticipation of the death and then 
reactivate it when I regain rationality the next day will this on-n-off 
activity of my node be of any value either to itself or to the network?  
Recall, I have dial up which is not great, but that I was getting 
integration until about two weeks ago, is running of any benefit at 
all?  Thanks.  Nick

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[freenet-support] Problems following loss of Internet connection

[Nicholas Sturm]

 I don't know if my experience using the Windows version of Freenet 
will apply when using any other operating systems.

 I've tested the result of loss of Internet connection, both 
spontaneously and intentionally, enough times that I am confident 
Freenet cannot recover to effectively use the network until it is 
manually stopped and restarted.  I believe it is necessary to actually 
exit from Freenet before it can reestablish proper communication.  
Several that reported continued 100% CPU usage may have been 
experiencing this behavior without recognizing that loss of Internet 
connection was the cause.  One may not loose all the learning and 
integration into the network after doing an exit and restart, but it 
seems to take longer to attain smooth function after such a restart than 
when one simply does a normal shutdown and startup several hours later.  
It appears that many inbound or outbound connection fail to be 
established readily after lost of the internet connection (probably 
because they have backed off of a badly performing link).

 Can any other Windows user confirm my experience?
N.S.
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Project health

[Nicholas Sturm]

All this aside, when routing doesn't work in Freenet it can't be blamed on 
the language it was implemented in.  Broken routing can easily be coded in 
C, Python, assembler or whatever language you desire.  On the other hand 
being tied to a proprietary language like Java under Sun's control isn't 
helping matters much.  It's hoped this will change when one of the Free 
Software implementations of Java (gcj, Kaffe) becomes more stable wrt 
Freenet.

 

I lost the meaning in the last sentence.  What was intended by wrt?
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Re: [freenet-support] The hang up when ISP dies

[Nicholas Sturm]

 You should have no trouble reproducing the problem that arises when 
the Internect Connection is broken.

I started 5084 and it hit 100% CPU momentarily.  Then about 5 minutes 
later it went to 100% again for about 2 minutes.
I let it run for about 30-45 minutes and it had about 17 connections, 
connecting actively on 8.  Then I simply disconnected
and within a half minute 100% CPU was being used and that persisted.  
Eventually I was able to make a new connection, but nothing significant 
resulted except a perhaps 5-10 second drop in CPU usage and then return 
to essentially 100%.  A that level it is
very difficult to interrupted except by killing javaw. But when killed 
the System Idle process went to about 98, but with wide fluctuation for 
about a half minute and them overall usage dropped to under 5%.

This is the Windows version on a 2000 Win operating system.  So I have 
no evidence what it might be doing elsewhere.  I'm inclined to suspect 
it cannot recover because it probably does not have the correct address 
after disconnecting from ISP.

That about all I can do for you.  But I will save the log just incase 
there is anything in the last hour that might be relevant to giving 
clues on you attempt to identify the problem.

Nick
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Re: [freenet-support] RE: trouble getting any information

[Nicholas Sturm]

My IPS finally closed my link this afternoon and lock up followed. I
have succeeded in getting control, saved the connection page, the env.
page and copied the freenet.log to the point it was forzen at. After
some coaxing I got SETI to revert to its minimal state (did not do so
without several tries). But clearly freenet was still using all the
resource it could claim. Finally got relinked to my ISP and even then
behavior was that freenet was trying to use 100% of CPU with brief
drops. Following receipt on new messages using Thunderbird, freenet
appears to have dropped out of sight. (the rabbit is gone, but javaw is
grinding away at close to 100% CPU usage.


Here is the "recent log" content.


  

  18:01:20
  RouteNotFound Inserting ARK
  -


  18:01:25
  RouteNotFound Inserting ARK
  -


  18:01:35
  RouteNotFound Inserting ARK
  -


  18:01:41
  RouteNotFound Inserting ARK
  -


  18:01:47
  RouteNotFound Inserting ARK
  -


  18:01:54
  RouteNotFound Inserting ARK
  -


  18:02:10
  RouteNotFound Inserting ARK
  -


  18:02:12
  Found 0 announcement targets for
this node.
  -


  18:02:36
  RouteNotFound Inserting ARK
  -


  18:02:42
  RouteNotFound Inserting ARK
  -


  18:03:20
  RouteNotFound Inserting ARK
  -


  18:03:29
  RouteNotFound Inserting ARK
  -


  18:03:36
  RouteNotFound Inserting ARK
  -


  18:03:48
  RouteNotFound Inserting ARK
  -


  18:04:05
  RouteNotFound Inserting ARK
  -


  18:04:18
  RouteNotFound Inserting ARK
  -


  18:14:52
  Handling
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@b8930c0babef0e2d,true@
1088979278899:1088979278749:true:null:freenet.Message: DataRequest
@null @ b8930c0babef0e2d took more than 3000ms: 11076 at 1088979289975!
  -


  18:17:12
  Found 0 announcement targets for
this node.
  -


  18:20:20
  Aggregation
of stats past the next minute. This isn't great, but should not be a
problem unless it happens all the time. Reached time: Sun Jul 04
18:01:00 EDT 2004
  -


  18:23:14
  Timed
out waiting for chunk in freenet.TrailerReaderInputStream: tr
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: ID=1878, curPos=16405, 0 chunks
pending, 16 chunks recieved, wantChunk=true,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (DSA(08d8 a6ea 2674 266e 7b14 66c2 e36f
2847 595c b1fe),tcp/24.102.225.22:10374, sessions=1, presentations=3,
ID=DSA(08d8 a6ea 2674 266e 7b14 66c2 e36f 2847 595c b1fe),
version=Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5084): outbound attempts=1:10/11,
bufferOffset=288, bufferLength=0, closed=false, super:
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Do you want any of the other material. It is obvious that a cold
restart is need for anything useful to happen. I'll let javaw run for
another hour or so to see what happens. While then copy entire
freenet.log to save in case it is of any use.
6:31 pm local time.

Toad wrote:

  On Sat, Jul 03, 2004 at 03:04:32PM -0400, Nicholas Sturm wrote:
  
  
The second day that it occurred, I was quite unable to evaluate the 
system as  I had to kill javaw and freenet
to get loose from the state.  Ctr-Alt-Del finally interrupted, but that 
only got me to the Windows Security
window where I could shutdown processes or the system (Freeenet does not 
show on the Applications list).

This very tight loop was a new phenomenon.  I could see some of the log 
the first time, but system hung as
I tried to buckup very far in the log.  I'll give it another try tonight 
and see if I can save the log for you.  Which
page is the environmental page?  Warning: even zipped, the log will be 
large.

  
  
http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodeinfo/internal/env
  
  
Nick



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[freenet-support] The hang up when ISP dies

[Nicholas Sturm]

At 9:00 pm local time  javaw is still blazing along at near 100% of 
CPU.  I am stopping javaw as soon as I copy freenet.log to the file 
where I'm saving info of possible use in diagnosing problem.

tail of log
 
Recently logged messages:
Priority legend: Error, Normal, Minor, Debug

TimeMessageException
20:24:15Finalized but haven't logged stats and do want to!: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] @ 137cb68ad8771761: 
137cb68ad8771761/755260b2986d93ff: 
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Re: [freenet-support] RE: trouble getting any information

[Nicholas Sturm]

Toad wrote:
You have no idea WHY it lost the connection to the ISP? Did they contact
you to complain about bandwidth usage or anything? How do you connect to
the internet? Has that changed recently?
On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 06:38:37PM -0400, Nicholas Sturm wrote:
 

Restarted freenet last night.  Slow to make contacts but by an hour later
62 were open and freenet seemed to be behaving nicely together with SETI
running. CPU at 100% but behavior was what I now call normal.
At about noon today I checked and data transferred was many megs and
messages were at about 15,000 on two most active connections.  Checked mail
and came back about an hour later to find that SETI had transmitted results
and was not maximized any longer.  Then I realized that system seemed
inactive.  ISP had closed connection and I had some difficulty getting
anything to respond.  Finally after right click on rabbit in tray, I was
able to open popup window and stopped freenet.  Few things started to show
apparent activity and I could then maximize SETI and it had completed about
6% of a job after sending and bringing down a new job.
I then reconnected and restarted freenet and function seemed to return.  I
checked the log and it showed a very long segment of failures.  (Log was at
about 2.5 megs.)  Errors continued abundantly as I expected since contact
had been lost from other nodes for some time.  Shut down.  (To do other
work.)  About three hours later I tried to restart, but experience little
success.  Log hung when I tried to work back through the log (problem
here?).  Finally shut down OS and restarted.
The apparent hang from shut down of ISP connection I had not observed
before (not to say that I actually know it never did).  Is this common? 
Will freenet do this when only it is producing high CPU usage or could it
be because two programs were trying to work at maximum level (SETI 
freenet)?  Should freenet not detect loss of internet connection and not go
blindly on with unsuccessful high usage?  I would think that when finally
operating this should not be allowed to happen as ISP closure would
certainly not be uncommon with large numbers of nodes running (even if it
only happens with multiple high demands on CPU).

Recently checked thread usage and seems seldom to go beyond 700 even when
system very busy.
Oh,  2KWin and Sun Java (recent).  256 memory.  Dial up connection.  ~18.6
hard drives capacity each of two(C: pretty high, about 1.5 gig open, D:
with about 4-5 gig open).  What else important?
Nick 
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Being closed out variest.  Often happens between 11 pm and 2 am and more 
commonly recently.  No obvious reason for the closings, but I'm using 
Norton to maintain connection unless they close it.  I don't expect a 
meaningful explanation of
why it is closed.  When you are third in number of customers service is 
similar to when you are # 1 or #2.  Who cares about loosing a few?   
Customer service with problems is seldom very useful.

Scam filter went crazy two night ago.  Compacting file when requested 
blocked mail system inbound.  I'm currently using a different user 
acct on 2KWin as all the browsers have gone flaky on the one I had 
previously used.  I'm now trying out Thunderbird   Firefox which seem 
to work, but can't use Mr. Sid graphics except with E.I. or perhaps 
Netscape which is needed for Scans of Federal Census Page.

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Re: [freenet-support] RE: trouble getting any information

[Nicholas Sturm]

Toad wrote:

  On Fri, Jul 02, 2004 at 10:56:13AM -0400, Paul wrote:
  
  
Many dialup connections are regularly reset. They probably would have
locked his account if he had gone over bandwidth or connection time.
Getting disconnected is just a fact of life.

  
  
Okay so it's not caused by Freenet? Good.
  
  
~Paul

On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:08:53 +0100, Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  You have no idea WHY it lost the connection to the ISP? Did they contact
you to complain about bandwidth usage or anything? How do you connect to
the internet? Has that changed recently?


On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 06:38:37PM -0400, Nicholas Sturm wrote:
  
  
Restarted freenet last night.  Slow to make contacts but by an hour later
62 were open and freenet seemed to be behaving nicely together with SETI
running. CPU at 100% but behavior was what I now call "normal."

At about noon today I checked and data transferred was many megs and
messages were at about 15,000 on two most active connections.  Checked mail
and came back about an hour later to find that SETI had transmitted results
and was "not" maximized any longer.  Then I realized that system seemed
inactive.  ISP had closed connection and I had some difficulty getting
anything to respond.  Finally after right click on rabbit in tray, I was
able to open popup window and stopped freenet.  Few things started to show
apparent activity and I could then maximize SETI and it had completed about
6% of a job after sending and bringing down a new job.

I then reconnected and restarted freenet and function seemed to return.  I
checked the log and it showed a very long segment of failures.  (Log was at
about 2.5 megs.)  Errors continued abundantly as I expected since contact
had been lost from other nodes for some time.  Shut down.  (To do other
work.)  About three hours later I tried to restart, but experience little
success.  Log hung when I tried to work back through the log (problem
here?).  Finally shut down OS and restarted.

The apparent hang from shut down of ISP connection I had not observed
before (not to say that I actually know it never did).  Is this common?
Will freenet do this when only it is producing high CPU usage or could it
be because two programs were trying to work at maximum level (SETI 
freenet)?  Should freenet not detect loss of internet connection and not go
blindly on with unsuccessful high usage?  I would think that when finally
operating this should not be allowed to happen as ISP closure would
certainly not be uncommon with large numbers of nodes running (even if it
only happens with multiple high demands on CPU).

Recently checked thread usage and seems seldom to go beyond 700 even when
system very busy.

Oh,  2KWin and Sun Java (recent).  256 memory.  Dial up connection.  ~18.6
hard drives capacity each of two(C: pretty high, about 1.5 gig open, D:
with about 4-5 gig open).  What else important?

Nick
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Apart from describing the behavior, the point I was trying to make was
that if this happens when the system is in general operation, many may
be affected by freezing of the system -- particularly if ISPs become
even more accustomed to doing it -- because those who have a frozen
system every morning will likely be inclined not to support nodes
except perhaps in the transient state. And then integration into the
system for access to information will be unlikely to be very popular.
IF the node freed itself when there is no active Internet link, i.e.,
when into a paused state to avoid freezing, it might remain more useful
as a communication medium. Even better perhaps would be a timed pause
with a reconnection after a moderate
pause period -- 1 minute, 5 minutes, 10 minutes, or 30 minutes, say.
? It does seem like a potential problem.

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Re: [freenet-support] RE: trouble getting any information

[Nicholas Sturm]

Restarted freenet last night.  Slow to make contacts but by an hour later
62 were open and freenet seemed to be behaving nicely together with SETI
running. CPU at 100% but behavior was what I now call normal.

At about noon today I checked and data transferred was many megs and
messages were at about 15,000 on two most active connections.  Checked mail
and came back about an hour later to find that SETI had transmitted results
and was not maximized any longer.  Then I realized that system seemed
inactive.  ISP had closed connection and I had some difficulty getting
anything to respond.  Finally after right click on rabbit in tray, I was
able to open popup window and stopped freenet.  Few things started to show
apparent activity and I could then maximize SETI and it had completed about
6% of a job after sending and bringing down a new job.

I then reconnected and restarted freenet and function seemed to return.  I
checked the log and it showed a very long segment of failures.  (Log was at
about 2.5 megs.)  Errors continued abundantly as I expected since contact
had been lost from other nodes for some time.  Shut down.  (To do other
work.)  About three hours later I tried to restart, but experience little
success.  Log hung when I tried to work back through the log (problem
here?).  Finally shut down OS and restarted.

The apparent hang from shut down of ISP connection I had not observed
before (not to say that I actually know it never did).  Is this common? 
Will freenet do this when only it is producing high CPU usage or could it
be because two programs were trying to work at maximum level (SETI 
freenet)?  Should freenet not detect loss of internet connection and not go
blindly on with unsuccessful high usage?  I would think that when finally
operating this should not be allowed to happen as ISP closure would
certainly not be uncommon with large numbers of nodes running (even if it
only happens with multiple high demands on CPU).

Recently checked thread usage and seems seldom to go beyond 700 even when
system very busy.

Oh,  2KWin and Sun Java (recent).  256 memory.  Dial up connection.  ~18.6
hard drives capacity each of two(C: pretty high, about 1.5 gig open, D:
with about 4-5 gig open).  What else important?

Nick 
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RE: [freenet-support] Freenet freezes internet connection

[Nicholas Sturm]

I'm not convinced this problem is with Freenet.  I have one user account
pretty messed up on 2000Win, but it seems to be a problem with some
corruption of the I.E. browser although I can still operate quite well on
other user accounts and the Administrative account.  In particular I note
the problem with the Task Manager failing to function.  I'm slowly moving
everything I have used in the one corrupted account to another good one. 
Once the messing up occurred I found that there were problems with all the
other browsers I have on that account.  But this is not the first hardware
that I've had with I. E.. communicating.  Unfortunately the repair
function that Windows has fails miserably.  It appears it just ignores
files that it thinks are the right size (or what ever it triest to check
for validity).


 [Original Message]
 From: Manfred Huber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 6/25/2004 1:34:01 PM
 Subject: [freenet-support] Freenet freezes internet connection

 Hello,
 I'm experiencing the following problem with Freenet:
 After some uptime, Freenet usually freezes my internet connection. Neither
 Freenet nor other applications send or receive any data anymore.

 By quickly cancelling and re-establishing my internet connection and
 restarting the node, I can sometimes avert the problem. But this doesn't
 always work; if it doesn't, I am unable to close the involved programs,
and
 I am forced to restart the computer with the reset-button. Involved
 processes won't respond to the Windows Task Manager anymore.

 I do cause some activity at my node. I run FUQID and (sometimes) Frost. It
 can also happen while just browsing freesites, using either Opera or
 Mozilla.

 I am using:
 Freenet Built 5084
 standard config except for transient=false, doAnnounce=true, upstream bw
 limit and DS
 Windows XP
 Sun JVM: this behaviour happens with various Sun JVMs (1.4.1_03, 1.4.1_06,
 1.4.2_sth.)

 I am experiencing the problem since 5083. It was not there with builds
5082
 or lower. Unfortunately, I didn't keep a copy of 5082 to verify that this
 problem will not happen there after happening at 5083 for the first time.

 I cannot pinpoint a clearly set aside error message. I obviously get send
 failed infos when the connection is frozen, I guess...


 I wonder if anything can be done about this.

 Kind regards,
 Manni

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RE: [freenet-support] need alot of help

[Nicholas Sturm]

Sorry, not enough here for me to understand specifically your problem. I find it not unusually in the recent past for many things to not load fully (or not at all). But what does the 14% to 43% refer to? All of an 
index, of a particular index or of a particular site in regard to numerous elements of that site? Over the months many things that once were complete have been bumped out for lack of use, etc. -- or so it appears from my node.




- Original Message - 
From: 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 6/21/2004 6:57:28 PM 
Subject: [freenet-support] need alot of help

found out about but when i open the gateway only 14% to 43% loads so could someone please help me.

thanks

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RE: [freenet-support] Norton Firewall

[Nicholas Sturm]

Now that we have let off the steam, did anyone ever really try to answer this nice person's questions to her satisfaction?

Sorry about stirring up the hornet's nest, but I do get tired of some insisting everyone should throw away
all their hard- and soft ware and get with the ONLY worthy system. Yeah, I like to play with my Linux installation, but when I just want to get someWORK done I use what I've found to does the job in this lifetime. Even though I have at least two machine running most of the time and one of them is seldom attached to the net and never networked with the one running Freenet, my infestation problems are rarely significant.


Would someone step me through setting up Norton Internet Security Professional properly? I'm not entirely sure how to:

1) Find the IP address of my NAT or Firewall.

The FAQ says to consult my manual but I can't find this information.

2) Configure your NAT or firewall to forward connections to the listenPort number that you noted in the previous step, to the same port on your computer.

I tried some things that seemed to work but I just want to make sure I'm doing it exactly right and not letting more than I need to through my firewall.

Thanks.
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Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall

[Nicholas Sturm]

Dear
 Madeline Brubaker:

Please excuse the nuts around here that seem to be as much of a
problem as Apple lovers once were.

I don't particularly like some of Window's creations, but even though
Linus releases are getting slowly more usable for ordinary people,
they still do not have enough clones of the most desirable applictions
to make them useful to most of us that are not just playing with
computers.




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Re: [freenet-support] messageSendTimeRequest

[Nicholas Sturm]

Actually, I would be very surprised if any government agency were not a
member of the freenet-explorers.  They might learn something useful even if
they are NOT interested in us.


 [Original Message]
 From: Galen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 6/7/2004 10:56:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [freenet-support] messageSendTimeRequest

 Out of curiosity, is the U.S. Department of Justice interested in 
 freenet? When I see from @usdoj.gov in an email address, it really 
 makes me wonder. Might the DOJ be interested in going after people for 
 use of freenet or something? Considering the level of anonymity and 
 such, I don't think anything would happen. But maybe just scoping 
 things out?

 I could be completely wrong and perhaps someone at the DOJ is using 
 freenet personally and using his government work email address for the 
 mailing list, although I would tend to think that is somewhat irregular 
 though who knows. Though I can think of more scary domains to be 
 getting mail from... @cia.gov, @fbi.gov.

 Just an element of curiosity on my part. Any comments anyone?


 On May 28, 2004, at 10:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  My node is almost constantly overloaded because messageSendTimeRequest 
  exceeds successfulSendTimeCutoff by a significant amount.  The 
  messageSendTimeRequest likes to hang around 4000ms.  Now I've observed 
  that the messageSendTimeRequest seems to be tied the amount of data 
  waiting to be transferred so I've tried to tweak the settings to 
  reduce the amount of data that is going out of my node.  Reducing the 
  number of max connections, reducing the chance of cache, and other 
  little things. But they don't seem to be able to bring it down.  The 
  only thing I can figure is that my node just looks too good to pass up 
  (I have a really good upstream), and the other nodes just really like 
  to request from my node and end up overloading me.
  So is there anything I can do to reduce the load?
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Re: [freenet-support] Mascotte! :-)

[Nicholas Sturm]

I'd vote for him being a ground hog.  Have you heard of our tradition of
the ground hog seeing his shadow.  Split that into two teeth and it's a gem!


 [Original Message]
 From: Troed Sångberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 6/3/2004 3:19:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Mascotte! :-)

 On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:48:20 +0200, Newsbyte [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 wrote:

  Tell me what you think about it:
 
  http://www.freenethelp.org/bux

 He looks stoned.

 A bit like Freenet itself - nice :)

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RE: [freenet-support] present for toad

[Nicholas Sturm]

Hey!  You're pretty good.  But I've always preferred our male bunny to the
soft squeezable one on the new Gateway page.


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 Date: 6/3/2004 8:48:37 PM
 Subject: [freenet-support] present for toad

 I also remember an old request from Toad, so while I was in the drawing
 mood...


 www.freenethelp.org/toad


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[freenet-support] Host access problem

[Nicholas Sturm]

Having found that I was using Mozilla 1.6 for most browsing, I allowed it to become the default browser with EarthLink TotalAccess. Before that I'd had
Internet Browser as the default and simply exited it before calling Mozilla for Freenet use.

Apparently Mozilla 1.6 (at least when installed as the default Browser) is unable to send proper orders to get downloads of Freenet files from the 'host.' By cancelling all copies of Mozilla browser (it is slow to load and often has an extra copy or more in memory) and activating I.E. I was able to get the latest Freenet to download using the Win-installer of Freenet.

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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Why?

[Nicholas Sturm]

 Anyone know the answer to that part of the question?  Perhaps related by
my
 multiple browsers on my system???  Maybe they are arguing with each
other.
 Or has the 'host' been down more often than usual??

 Have you tried running the update programme as an administrator?  It may 
 be a permission problem, as windows does not seem to let ordinary users 
 do various network related things.  Sorry to be imprecise, I've never 
 looked into what is actually happening, just run things as 
 administrator.


That did not solve it.  It appears, but I can't prove it, that Mozilla with
EarthLink TotalAccess front end is unable to foreward request by the
Windows installer for Freenet.  By manually confirming I had killed all
copies of Mozilla 1.6 I was able to download the new Freenet release using
the Win-Installer provided by FreeNet.

But thanks for the suggestion, it lead me into trying some different
attacks.

N.


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[freenet-support] Neurons not properly interfaced.

[Nicholas Sturm]

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[freenet-support] Why?

[Nicholas Sturm]

I've been getting this for about a week:

Download of NodeConfig.exe failed: 'connecting to host'.  Try again.

I've tried several permutations of the possible answers, but in the final
analysis, nothing gets me the new version of Freenet.

For Windows.  

I have two versions of Installer, but neither is effective.

Where do I find one that works CURRENTLY?

I know, I kown.  Those who do this regularly probably remember where to go
to find it.  My brain is too old to hold the trivia of so many things that
are easy for youthful minds.  Just where do I find the download for windows
systems in the latest version?  I don't think being told where to find the
jar will help me.




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RE: [freenet-support] Why?

[Nicholas Sturm]

Apparently something happened on that attempted download of new version. 
I'm back in transient mode.  I presume something ran even though nothing
seemed to be downloaded that was later than 5082.


 [Original Message]
 From: Nicholas Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 5/30/2004 7:17:00 PM
 Subject: [freenet-support] Why?

   
 I've been getting this for about a week:

 Download of NodeConfig.exe failed: 'connecting to host'.  Try again.

 I've tried several permutations of the possible answers, but in the final
 analysis, nothing gets me the new version of Freenet.

 For Windows.  

 I have two versions of Installer, but neither is effective.

 Where do I find one that works CURRENTLY?

 I know, I kown.  Those who do this regularly probably remember where to go
 to find it.  My brain is too old to hold the trivia of so many things that
 are easy for youthful minds.  Just where do I find the download for
windows
 systems in the latest version?  I don't think being told where to find the
 jar will help me.




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RE: [freenet-support] Re: Why?

[Nicholas Sturm]

That does not help me because I regularly use the installer for windows
and I don't really remember where to find  the raw stuff.


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 Date: 5/30/2004 9:38:09 PM
 Subject: [freenet-support] Re: Why?

 Nicholas Sturm schrieb:

  I don't think being told where to find the jar will help me.

 Why? This is all that is really updated. Unless you deleted the
 .exe files you won't need to download them again. And if you deleted
 them, they are in the same server location as the jar.

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RE: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Re: [freenet-dev] Retiring from theproject

[Nicholas Sturm]

You did, but limit to developers and the boxes trying to give some support
will likely also decline.  But then, if that were the goal, keep it private
until it works well enough that the public knows when it is and isn't
working (much).


 [Original Message]
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 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of development issues
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Freenet support mailing list
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 Date: 5/27/2004 2:24:27 PM
 Subject: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Re: [freenet-dev] Retiring from
theproject

 Marc Lehmann wrote:
  On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 04:38:25AM +0100, Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  
 (consider the amount of time we would spend dealing with memory leaks 
 and array overflows had we implemented in C++). As for focus,  our 
  
  rant
  You are living in a dream world, really.

 No, you are living in a dream world if you think I am going to dignify 
 your off-topic cross-posted rant with a response.

 I will not perpetuate programming language advocacy on the development 
 mailing list (or, indeed, the support list), I request that others 
 follow my lead or we risk devaluing these mailing lists for everyone (it 
 wouldn't be the first time that a Freenet mailing list has been rendered 
 useless in this manner).

 If people can't start exercising some common sense with respect to 
 off-topic posts we will have no choice but to restrict posting to devl 
 in some manner, and I *really* don't want to do that.

 Ian.
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Re: Re[5]: [freenet-support] First freenet start, first freenet bugs

[Nicholas Sturm]

Below

 Or use a service such as dyndns.org and put your hostname in your 
 freenet.ini. Freenet has routines to check for IP changes (I've 
 disabled them - static IP), so it should work pretty well once it's 
 established, but before that it needs to announce an IP and port to 
 connect to over the network so people start connecting to it.

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You bring up an interesting point.  I've had a dyndns program running for
several months (whether it remains essential I have no idea as one message
months ago said the code to accomplish the same things was being written
into freenet).  Recently I have been receiving boot time notices telling me
to upgrade to the latest version, but it has been so long since I installed
it that downloading the new simply adds to my store of interesting
binaries, but I don't seem to see the old being replaced as I continue to
get the messages.  Anyone know how to replace old with new??


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[freenet-support] Unable to download freenet

[Nicholas Sturm]

I have 
  
freenet-webinstall  113 KB  2/11/2004 3:40 AM

preserved in freenet-save folder.

I used uninstall to clear out old freenet, but saved store, etc.

I am still unable to get a fresh install of 5082 (following 5081).

ERROR MESSAGE

Download of Nodeconfig. exe failed 'connecting to host', Retry.

I have retry several times before using uninstall.  

After  uninstall  freenet-install appears as 58 K  with date 7/16/2003. 
Will remove that and try again.

Same error message. Responded No and attempt cleared itself.  Same
freenet-install 38K with 7/16/2003
came back again.


Any advise?




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[freenet-support] freenet web-install (58K) 7/16/23 used in folder /freenet worked today

[Nicholas Sturm]

Could the failure be due to using freenet web-install (113 KB) 2/11/204
from a fold  /freenet-save?  It put the other version into folder /freenet
but then complained.  Was there a router vs a server down about 12-14 hours
ago?


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RE: [freenet-support] 5078 (Stable) Just Sits There, Does Nothing

[Nicholas Sturm]

 [Original Message]
 From: Niklas Bergh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 5/12/2004 3:12:29 PM
 Subject: RE: [freenet-support] 5078 (Stable)  Just Sits There, Does 
Nothing

 Yes it has :)

Where is the list in case I happen to want to use them?



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Re: [freenet-support] New with this ... please some help

[Nicholas Sturm]

Let me give it a try, and verify.  


 [Original Message]
 From: Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 5/13/2004 12:33:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [freenet-support] New with this ... please some help

 On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 02:07:47PM -0500, Nicholas Sturm wrote:
  Most Win users are not at all accustomed to finding and editing .ini
files
  because those went out of general use about three Win-generations ago
  when Microsoft decided that those darn users just don't know how to
  use our software and started hiding all the parameters in the registry.
  Since I having been around since Osborne sold his hardware
  business, I am aware of them.  Still, it took me several tries before I
  found that the % was a comment marker AND to discover which
  of those I needed to remove to avoid being a transient node. (And that 
  must be done each and every time that one downloads a new version.)  
  It seems that it is prefered we run non-transient, but the default is
  nicely 
  set up to send us to transient.

 Hi Nicholas. Does this still happen?
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Re: [freenet-support] TO big LOG!

[Nicholas Sturm]

Would those who are promoting this please suggest a simple method for
transmitting a table of data in email messages?  I know one can inserted
forced blank that corresponds to char$(255), but is there a really
practical way
other than enforcement of Courier font (fixed width font) and manually
inserting the blanks (not char$(20))?


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RE: [freenet-support] Re: freenet and JRE on Win XP

[Nicholas Sturm]

Thanks.   Perhaps that is my problem.  Wish someone would keep us fully
posted.  Sometime we get warnings of something that is not yet working, but
seldom adequate information as to what does work.  I'll try another
download immediately...


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 Date: 4/25/2004 10:50:54 PM
 Subject: [freenet-support] Re: freenet and JRE on Win XP

 Nicholas Sturm schrieb:

  If you do not have the java from Sun, you should try their latest stable
  build  1.3.1_02 near end of name, I believe.

 The latest stable Sun JRE is actually 1.4.2_04. I hardly believe that you
 can get freenet working with an 1.3 Sun JRE.

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RE: [freenet-support] freenet and JRE on Win XP

[Nicholas Sturm]

If you do not have the java from Sun, you should try their latest stable
build  1.3.1_02 near end of name, I believe.


 [Original Message]
 From: Elia Sambo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 4/25/2004 8:30:10 PM
 Subject: [freenet-support] freenet and JRE on Win XP

 On windows xp, I've installed the last version
freenet-java-webinstall.exe, 
 after the installation it appears a message that says it is not possible
to 
 find any compatible java compiler. It seems the java runtime environment 
 don't want to work.
 Any idea?

 Thanks!

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RE: [freenet-support] Permanent node question

[Nicholas Sturm]

This is an interesting comment.  Could this really  be why we are getting
little response in last few months?

--


 [Original Message]
 From: Steven [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 4/12/2004 7:28:59 AM
 Subject: [freenet-support] Permanent node question

 I run a permanent node on stable, and I notice that after it has been
running 
 for a while the vast majority of connections are incoming.  This leads me
to 
 believe that the vast majority of nodes I'm connected to are transient. 
I 
 wonder if this is why I have so much trouble retrieving after my node has 
 been running for a while.  (transient nodes don't route my requests
right?)

 Couldn't this be a big source of routing trouble in freenet?  If the vast 
 majority of nodes aren't contributing to the network, then even permanent 
 nodes won't be able to find much (since they are bogged down by
transients). 

 I would like at least a third of my connections to be made to permanent
nodes.  
 any suggestions for making this happen?  

 Someone please correct me if I have this all wrong.
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Re: [freenet-support] DFI: New container version just inserted today

[Nicholas Sturm]

Thanks for all the confusion.

Perhaps unstable could be named the Linux Freenet and leave the stable as
Freenet.  And the indexes aren't really of much value to Freenet currently
in any case.  Or perhaps both could be rename Broadband Freenet and not
confuse the rest of us into exploring any of it.


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RE: [freenet-support] DFI: New container version just inserted today

[Nicholas Sturm]

I wish I could answer you, but I have no idea what you are talking about. 
Sorry.  Much here is not clear to those that have not been worth the
developed throughout it's complete evolution.



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 To: Freenet development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Date: 3/31/2004 8:48:42 PM
 Subject: [freenet-support] DFI: New container version just inserted today

 I'd be very interested to know what sort of difference this makes for
people
 when downloading DFI.  The old, non-container version consisted of
roughly 400
 Kbytes of files.  The new, zipped container is only about 64 K (I left
 activelink.png and description.txt out of the container for the sake of
anyone
 wanting to fetch just those files, either manually or using a spider or
 whatever).

 Obviously, I can't get too accurate a picture from here, so feedback is
 appreciated.

 Thanks.

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[freenet-support] build 5076

[Nicholas Sturm]

Using 5076 (stable) on dialup I actually retrieve a couple of files, first in several weeks. Still have only outgoing connections after about 30 minutes, but log looks much less confusing than most recent ones. 5074 actually got icons of 4 indexes today in about 15 minutes before I down loaded the most recent build.

Looks like something is progressing after much sputtering.

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Re: [freenet-support] need a program to crawl links in freenet

[Nicholas Sturm]

Thanks for the info.


 [Original Message]
 From: Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 3/12/2004 10:58:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [freenet-support] need a program to crawl links in freenet

 On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 05:09:09PM -0500, Nicholas Sturm wrote:
  Please provide reference to a good glossary.
  
   I tried it (in a sandbox Linux account, which is absoltely the minimum
   precaution anyone should take if running code downloaded from an
   untrusted anonymous source) and it seems to work pretty nicely.
  
  Is sandbox just Linux term or does it have broader application?

 It basically means a sort of virtual computer within the computer, the
 idea being to limit the damage that can be done by untrusted code. An
 example would be, if you download some software that might be useful but
 you don't know whether it is safe, you might run it on a spare PC that
 isn't connected to the others and doesn't do anything else. A sandbox
 does the same thing but in software: you can run untrusted code, in a
 box, where it can't inflict too much harm on the rest of the system.
 User Mode Linux is a popular way to do this on linux, and is used for
 some hosting systems. On Windows... VMWare would be an option, perhaps.
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[freenet-support] Harmless at this stage, but annoying

[Nicholas Sturm]

The attachment shows a plaque (window?, but no frame or sash so how could
it be a window) appeared in the middle of my desk and has not gone away
after about 8 hours.  Looks like it would still be using resources, but I
have no idea if it did it's work.
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Re: [freenet-support] need a program to crawl links in freenet

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Please provide reference to a good glossary.

 I tried it (in a sandbox Linux account, which is absoltely the minimum
 precaution anyone should take if running code downloaded from an
 untrusted anonymous source) and it seems to work pretty nicely.

Is sandbox just Linux term or does it have broader application?


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Re: [freenet-support] freenet commitment settings

[Nicholas Sturm]

Would you possibly agree with this, There is no known way to meaningfully
evaluate the performance of freenet?


 [Original Message]
 From: Conrad Sabatier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: vinyl1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 3/9/2004 7:28:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [freenet-support] freenet commitment settings


 On 09-Mar-2004 vinyl1 wrote:
  OK, I have the latest build (5074), the latest seed nodes, the latest
  everything I could find as of today, 3/8/2004
  
  On the Web interface, I can't load The Freedom Engine, Dolphin's Free
Index,
  and Content of Evil.  I can load the Freenet Help Index and YoYo.  This
is
  possibly due to unreachable, out-of-date nodes.  The stuff that does
load
  seems to work better than before.

 Basing your evaluation of your node's performance on what's appearing
and/or
 reachable via the main web interface is not a good idea.  Most of the
gateway
 sites have been horribly unreliable for quite some time now (with the
exception
 of DFI).  I really don't know why this is the case; I've had no trouble
at all
 inserting DFI daily.  To ensure that the next DBR update is inserted in
time, I
 always start the update process (an automated, scheduled job) at least 1
1/2
 hours prior to the rollover time (12:00 am GMT).  I'm wondering if other
 gateway site maintainers are not allowing enough time in advance for their
 inserts to complete on time.

 DFI's insert got a little screwed up yesterday, due to the fact that I
was in
 the process of running a portupgrade of my JDK under FreeBSD.  Probably
due to
 the additional load on the system from running the build, FIW somehow
ended up
 inserting DFI one day further into the future than it was supposed to.  I
didn't
 discover this and finally get the problem corrected until about 8:30 pm
CST
 (2:30 am GMT).

 I saw someone else here basing assumptions about their node's behavior on
the
 fact that they couldn't reach YoYo!  Unfortunately, Yoyo! is one of the
more
 unreliable sites lately (no idea why).

 Anyway, the gist of the idea is this: don't assume that non-functioning
gateway
 sites mean your node is not working.

 -- 
 Conrad Sabatier [EMAIL PROTECTED] - In Unix veritas

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RE: [freenet-support] too much mem

[Nicholas Sturm]

Let's don't get into a O.S. war.  Apple/Mac lovers eventually matured to
realize that not everyone could be converted.  I suspect that many refused
to be converted because of prejudice of those rich Mac owners.


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