Re: v2.29's addressbooks not sorting correctly in its Name column?
Ant wrote: On 10/16/2014 4:53 AM PT, Philip Chee typed: You can now insert formulas in Composer using a dialog (LaTeX to MathML). 1. Everybody here say, when someone ask for a correction, that Composer is dead BUT enhancements are not dead ??? In my opinion Corrections of bugs are more important than New-Features. It's dead in the sense that nobody regularly writes code for the Composer component any more. A *volunteer* with an itch to fix something important to their selves wrote the above patch. I doubt that he's interested in fixing anything else in the Composer codebase. We call these: drive-by fixes/patches. So here we have an unlikely combination of someone with an issue they want fixed, and who also has the knowledge to fix it. Do many people even use Composer? Me, it has just the level of capability I need to create a tree structured bunch of pages connected by links. Don't need vast fancy things, just want to be able to make something which will build usable pages, in a way faster than typing HTML in vi. A simple, easy to use, portable tool is irreplaceable. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: v2.30 is out.
EE wrote: Ant wrote: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.30/ but no final release notes yet? I hope they fixed the issues I saw in v2.29 to cause me to go back to v2.26.1 like the address books' sorting, place.sqlite's history getting corrupted, etc. Thank you in advance. :) The addressbook is fixed, but the bookmark restore from backup is not. Great, you get a false sense of security from having a backup, then it tells you you have nothing. If you make a backup will older versions retrore the backup (ie. backup is good), or will a backup from an old version restore fine on 2.30 (restore is okay, backup is broken)? -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.30 upgrade breaks seamonkey
WaltS48 wrote: On 10/16/2014 04:41 AM, jkdingw...@gmail.com wrote: I allowed SeaMonkey to auto-update from 2.29.1 to 2.30 this morning but it appears to have broken the install for me and I'm unable to recover. The symptoms are that SeaMonkey will start but all windows have a normal border with all content being black. OS is Windows 7 Professional SP1 (64-bit). I have tried the following steps to try and make it work: Delete C:\Program Files (x86)\SeaMonkey and reinstall Update video display drivers (Nvidia NVS 4200M) Manually create a new profile by editing profiles.ini to add an extra entry Delete registry keys relating to SeaMonkey/Mozilla/Netscape from HKCU/Software and HKLM/Software. Reverting to 2.29.1 restores the correct behaviour. Has anyone else seen and solved a similar issue or is this worthy of a bug report? Disable hardware acceleration in SM 2.30. Edit Preferences Appearance Content. How do you do that? The pages are all black, a tribute to a minimalist theme, but not a good GUI. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.29.1
NoOp wrote:
On 10/06/2014 10:19 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
Since linux64 does exist (in unofficial) and we release langpacks you can
install into linux64, we have not made that process a higher priority, than,
say, actually releasing betas or releases in general. (You'll note that the
latest round of betas are still delayed).
I thank you for your continued interest, and hope to have more to share soon.
~Justin Wood (Callek)
It's not lack of an official release that bothers me as much as having to spend
a lot of time trying to find a version of Lightning which works with each 64 bit
update (in some cases I fail). I believe that's true for other packages as well,
but Lightning is my one and only blocker to upgrade, other than outright bugs
like saving bookmarks and/or passwords in recoverable format.
Would it be possible for someone to add a URL for that to the release notes? To
me that is vastly more important 64 bit support than making a package official
or not. Again, I suspect other 64 bit users have a similar issue with other
packages, I'll let them make their own case.
Lightning updates have been working just fine for me recently w/linux 64
and 32 bit. However when they don't I have this page bookmarked:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Calendar/Calendar_Versions
and refer to that for the version numbers.
I also have this bookmarked:
http://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/releases/
Note: I'm currently running SM 2.30:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0
SeaMonkey/2.30
and
Lightning 3.5b1 {e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}
I shall cautiously try 2.29.1 again, thanks.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.29.1
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Since linux64 does exist (in unofficial) and we release langpacks you can install into linux64, we have not made that process a higher priority, than, say, actually releasing betas or releases in general. (You'll note that the latest round of betas are still delayed). I thank you for your continued interest, and hope to have more to share soon. ~Justin Wood (Callek) It's not lack of an official release that bothers me as much as having to spend a lot of time trying to find a version of Lightning which works with each 64 bit update (in some cases I fail). I believe that's true for other packages as well, but Lightning is my one and only blocker to upgrade, other than outright bugs like saving bookmarks and/or passwords in recoverable format. Would it be possible for someone to add a URL for that to the release notes? To me that is vastly more important 64 bit support than making a package official or not. Again, I suspect other 64 bit users have a similar issue with other packages, I'll let them make their own case. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Message Filters
BIll Spikowski wrote: BIll Spikowski wrote: NFN Smith wrote: If you haven't done so, you might want to enable logging for a couple of weeks, and see which rules are being hit, and which ones aren't. For the ones that aren't, consider disabling or deleting, and you might see a little bit of a performance improvement. I'll try logging -- hadn't thought about using that to weed out obsolete filters! Actually, logging is already enabled, and has been since 2010! Does anyone know where the log file is stored? I'd like to be able to review it somewhere more convenient than the window provided by Seamonkey, and be able to search the log file. I've found msgFilterRules.dat, but all I see there is the filter definitions, not the filter log. I hadn't even thought about performance improvements; I'm mainly trying to figure out why certain emails are getting filtered when I don't want them to. For instance, any email FROM me has gotten sent to junk, for years now! (I just found a couple of extensions, filter for filters and quickfilters, and am trying to make them work to allow filters to be sorted by the name and be searched.) The order in which they are displayed is the order in which they are run, unless there is no interaction between them that's probably NOT what you want. Where multiple rules may apply to a single message you need some thought not to put the rules in the wrong order and do something really unexpected to yourself. For rules you want to run on every message, put them first if performance doesn't matter as much as not missing something. The, for performance, put rules which will delete or move many messages before rules which you expect to hit only a few messages. Put rules which are cheap to run, looking at message size or header fields, before filters which look in the body of the message. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.29 doesn't start
Ray_Net wrote: Francois LE COAT wrote, On 17/09/2014 22:46: Hi, Ray_Net writes: Francois LE COAT wrote, On 12/09/2014 14:35: I have installed the French language pack from the following URL : ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.26/langpack/seamonkey-2.26.fr.langpack.xpi with the 2.26 version of SeaMonkey, if I remember well. Have you installed ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.29/langpack/seamonkey-2.29.fr.langpack.xpi with the 2.29 version of SeaMonkey ? I'm sorry ... I couldn't have installed this version of language pack, because SeaMonkey 2.29 is not even starting. There's only a box, with an error message, as I reported in this thread. I don't have access to SeaMonkey 2.29 ... Do you understand ? It is updated, and it fails. As far as I understood, French localized version of SeaMonkey 2.29 is only working for Microsoft Windows users. It doesn't work for me neither under OS X 10.6.8, nor Kubuntu 14.04 GNU/Linux. SeaMonkey 2.29 is a bad update, that I have to cancel back to 2.26. I hope you're understanding ? There's a problem with the parser :-( Regards, Ok, ok - i never do upgrade nor downgrade. I remove the version i want to quit removing all extensions before. then i install the version i want to use and install extensions(of the same version of the new SM). That's a good way to do it, how do you install the extensions, since the binary won't start? Is there an installer out of band? -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.29 no Flash plugin
MCBastos wrote: On 15/09/2014 08:08, Mr. Ed wrote: Interesting note on that page: Flash Player 11.2 is the *last* supported Flash Player version for Linux OS. That's because Flash is its way out and Adobe knows it. iOS never allowed it, then they dropped support on Android, then Linux and Solaris... it's just a matter of time until OSX and Windows are dropped too. Unfortunately the rest of the world disagrees and releases content in flash format. Now, if you make movies and get money from ad clicks for people watching them, you use what the people watch, and have a number of formats available. However, if you are a company and made an instructional video for your product which people watch for free, you don't care if people can't watch it, they can get the viewer or pay you to come service the product. And that's why flash is a must for me, because I need to information and will do what I need to to be able to view it. Market pressure at it finest. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.22.1 linux 64+ Lightning
NoOp wrote:
Crossposted to mozilla.support.calendar mozilla.support.seamonkey:
SM 2.22.1 (linux 64) has broken lightning. Anyone know which one works now?
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:25.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/25.0 SeaMonkey/2.22.1
Build identifier: 20131113180743
Lightning 2.7b1 true{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}
So far I've tried 2.6.1, 2.6.2, 2.7b1:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Calendar/Calendar_Versions?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/lightning/versions/?page=1#version-2.7b1
and
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly/2.7b1-candidates/build1/linux-x86_64/
Note: works in windows SM 2.22.1 - I've not tested in linux 32 yet.
Unfortunately none seem to work for me, either, and haven't for a while. I have
considered dropping back to 32 bit Seamonkey, but that just requires keeping
current 32 bit libs up to date, serious hassle. Still on SM 2.17.2 on 64 bit
machines.
This install is a VM used for support of RHEL-6 servers, so runs an old SM, but
everything else is as up-to-date as will run.
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Re: 2.22.1?
Jens Hatlak wrote: Bryan v. Roache wrote: Desiree wrote, On 11/18/2013 6:03 AM: I see a 2.22.1 version on Mozilla FTP site but it is not offered by internal update checking. What gives? yes what gives? and more importantly what are the new features in this new version as well?8-) Mostly just security (NSPR/NSS) fixes, plus fixes for bug 933733 and bug 891904. Basically what the Firefox chemspill release includes, but with a spellcheck issue fixed on top. HTH Jens Don't see any NEW bugs here, but 2.17-2.22 does have an issue or two, among them no working Lightning for Linux-64 -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.22.1?
hawker wrote: On 11/18/2013 7:37 PM, Ray_Net wrote: WaltS wrote, On 18/11/2013 17:02: On 11/18/2013 10:52 AM, Ray_Net wrote: Bryan v. Roache wrote, On 18/11/2013 14:18: Desiree wrote, On 11/18/2013 6:03 AM: I see a 2.22.1 version on Mozilla FTP site but it is not offered by internal update checking. What gives? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey yes what gives? and more importantly what are the new features in this new version as well?8-) The more important is not the new features, but the big list of bugs corrected by this version ? Isn't it ? Because each time a new version appear, we got more new bugs - that will never be corrected. How do you know *new* bugs won't be corrected? Isn't SM 2.22.1 a bug fix release? What new bug bug are you seeing? Bof, just one ; the line spacing problem. I am under 2.17 and i want to upgrade, but each time a new release appeared, we got at least one new bug more. And those bugs are not corrected under 2.22. I don't speak about 2.22.1. Just another thing: I did not know how to get the list of all bugs i voted for, just by memory 99% of them are uncorrected. My Signature Well if I were you I would stay at 2.17 till 2.24.x or 2.25 if you can. It sounds like that is when most of the big ones are scheduled to be fixed. Some look like they will never be fixed unfortunately. I accidentally hit upgrade rather than go away on a nag screen and now I am there on one machine and suffering. The latest round of bugs is a PITA. At some point I need to suck it up and deal with them (because my version will be too old) or finally come to terms with the fact that it looks like SM doesn't have enough development support to continue and force myself to FF/TB. It is really seeming like SM is a slowly dieing beast. I wish there was a way to help, I offered server space for an official 64 bit Linux build, not accepted, I can give some $ if that would help, but after looking at that code won't offer to fix bugs, as SM depends on mainline code which mutates rapidly enough to be an issue. It reminds me of where I was when I was faced with that Eudora was now too outdated to use anymore (couldn't read many HTML e-mails or any Android E-mails), even though it had features I used everyday that were not in TB/SM - esp the junk and search implementation. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another SM 2.22 problem with drawing sub-screens
Daniel wrote: As noted in my sig, I'm using SM 2.22, more specifically B2 (waiting for 2.23B1 to come out), and even more specifically, on my Win7 install, I've noted something that I don't recall anyone else mentioning. (I cannot say I've noticed it on my Linux SM 2.22B2 installation.) At Edit-Preferences-Appearance-Spelling, I have selected to Check spelling before sending, no problem, except if an error in spelling is found (rare though that may be ... NOT ;-) ), the Send button is cut in half by the bottom edge of that window. There is no scroll bar, nor can I just drag the bottom edge of this screen down. This may be tied up with a problem I've seen reported here (by MCBasto or Rufus, I think) for a while with SeaMonkey not fully drawing sub-screens on Mac's or another problem reported here regarding the font/line spacing in the Accounts and Threads Panes in SM 2.22. Don't know, but maybe!! Anybody else seeing this problem?? Short answer, yes, once in a while, and often when I really NEED to see the whole subwindow. Can't move it, and the scroll bar disappears (sometimes), but if I just need to click submit I can change font size smaller until I can see the button. Other times I skip sites which do that, or use Firefox if I must. All on Linux... -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Funding and Bug Fixes....
Geoff Welsh wrote: »Q« wrote: Innews:jjadnaw_zmjegxbpnz2dnuvz_gydn...@mozilla.org, SamuelSbono1...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello SM Team and participants.. I have an idea about how to get bug fixes done, for those of us who really, really, really want them done ASAP and then some... How about assigning a monetary value to requested fixes and let us as either a group or individuals pay to get them done quickly, of course security fixes are excluded. There's nothing preventing this. Users individually or in groups can offer whatever they want for specific work. I'll give Rufus a dollar to stop complaining about the drawn-short drop-down boxes. I don't need it fixed. It doesn't affect functionality. Hogwash! It doesn't effect *your* functionality, if there's stuff you need at the bottom of the box it sure as hell does. Possibly related to subwindows having the same issue, and that's also an issue. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Funding and Bug Fixes....
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Larry S. wrote: SamuelS wrote: Hello SM Team and participants.. I have an idea about how to get bug fixes done, for those of us who really, really, really want them done ASAP and then some... How about assigning a monetary value to requested fixes and let us as either a group or individuals pay to get them done quickly, of course security fixes are excluded. I have one or two fixes for which I Am prepared to pay to get updated and repaired right away, if possible. This also goes a long way to support the project too... Just an idea to fast track some outstanding items. Thanks for listening... and doing everything you do to support SM and the end users. Truly labour and truly love. SS Love this idea, and would contribute(a modest amount) toward the effort. I do see one glitch in the idea, though, and it's this--as a reader of this group for a number of years now, it strikes me that one person's bug is ofter another person's feature. The bugs are often desires for new features addressing an individual's work methods. To make the suggestion work, there need to be ways to resolve issues about priorities. This has usually been decided by developers, resulting in complaints. I can't speak authoritatively, but my impression reading this NG over the years is that the sticking point is not funding; rather, since this is a volunteer operation, the sticking point is in finding qualified people to take up a particular task and see it through to completion. If no one picks up a particular issue, it languishes. So if you really want to help, either start writing code or find someone who can. (Of course, if you have millions of bucks to throw around, that would attract good developers!) And AFAIK the desires for new features are usually called requests for enhancement or RFE. If these developers are consultants, then after N hours of donated time it starts to hit their time for the bottom line. I don't know what the answer is, but there's a lot of so what on minor bugs. I found a bug in on drop down menu which listed the wrong shortcut keys for Linux. I tried to get someone to fix this trivial spelling error for ages, because if you used the shortcut it did something destructive (don't remember what). The bug ran from 1.6 to being fixed in 2.0, which was years, and every few weeks support would get a call that they used a shortcut and composer ate their document. Vast cost in support and user manual recovery, too trivial to fix. This is not a bitch, it'ss a reason to explain in detail WHY a minor bug isn't minor to you! -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: on SM19 Lightning calendar doesn't work
WaltS wrote: On 07/29/2013 02:45 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: After upgrade to 19 from 17.1 Lightning didn't work. Add-in manager found an upgrade, I installed it, and that didn't work either. Yes, I restarted. Currently back on 17.1, this is must-have functionality for me. Linux x86_64, Fedora released upgrade RPM. Upgrade from SM 2.17.1 to SM 2.19? What version did Add-on Manager find? You need Lightning 2.4b1. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/lightning/versions/ After upgrade to 2.10 Lightning 2.5b2 was installed. Worked fine on Fedora 17, fails on 18 and 19. Investigating. Yes, I tried setting up a new profile with no customization, although 2.17.1 continues to work in my normal profile. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Is there a working Lightning for Seamonkey 2.19 Linux x86_64?
I have found 3 to download and none work. I don't mean the not support on this version message, is loads, but clicking Add new event does nothing. I know that x86_64 support has been coming next year or coming when we get build resources for five years or so, but could someone just put a working version in a known location, so we don't need to try all of the builds we can find until one works, then find the next working version is in some other place? I assume the lack of official Linux x86_64 support is at least partially political, since offers of money or build time on a net accessible machine when I was in a position to offer same did not get accepted. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is there a working Lightning for Seamonkey 2.19 Linux x86_64?
WaltS wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: I have found 3 to download and none work. I don't mean the not support on this version message, is loads, but clicking Add new event does nothing. I know that x86_64 support has been coming next year or coming when we get build resources for five years or so, but could someone just put a working version in a known location, so we don't need to try all of the builds we can find until one works, then find the next working version is in some other place? I assume the lack of official Linux x86_64 support is at least partially political, since offers of money or build time on a net accessible machine when I was in a position to offer same did not get accepted. This one WFM. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/lightning/versions/?page=1#version-2.4b1 Thanks for the pointer, are you using the seamonkey 2.19 from your distribution or from the contributed download? -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey/2.19 on Linux nuked all messages in InBox and ALL folders underneath
Michael Lueck wrote: Greetings, Since no promising suggestions were made as to where ALL of the folders and emails disappeared to, I ended up rolling this one account's Inbox and folders under it back to the last available backup. One remaining question... is there some command line way to instruct SM to gracefully exit if possible (no unsaved emails open, etc...)? I would require that if I am to automate a daily local backup. cd; find .mozilla -type f -iname Inbox I have read that killall -hup seamonkey works. Note that on some distributions that needs to be seamonkey-bin depending on something I don't remember. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey/2.19 on Linux nuked all messages in InBox and ALL folders underneath
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Michael Lueck wrote: A Williams wrote: Michael Lueck wrote: One remaining question... is there some command line way to instruct SM to gracefully exit if possible (no unsaved emails open, etc...)? I would require that if I am to automate a daily local backup. That sounds very risky. Why not test for the existence of the SM lock-file? There has to be a better solution. I leave SM up all the time. To do nightly automated backups, I would have to send SM a message to exit, do the backup, the restart it. I would check for the mentioned lock-file, and if that still exists, skip the backup and log the error. Seems pretty straightforward to me. Unless you have a VERY slow connection, I see no benefit to leaving SM up to collect mail while you're in bed. You're not browsing, and you're not installing software, right? Stock market's probably closed while you are... Might as well get in the habit of shutting it down when you shut down and relaunching when you power yourself up. Costs you a minute to get mail as you're drinking your hot morning beverage, but you get a full, reliable backup. And in case SM gets cranky when its cache fills up or whatever (been known to happen with lots of software), the periodic slate-cleaning can improve performance. Tradeoff's worth it to me, YMMV. Of course, if you were running something like uTorrent, I could see leaving that on. But that's not what you said, and uTorrent doesn't require an active browser to run. Actually the reason Seamonkey runs on some machines is so I can use the message filters to sort incoming mail into folders. And since I might read the IMAP mail on the server with another program (Android gmail) I'd like to have the heavy lifting done in SM rather than to play with perl or python scripts to do it on the mail server. That's why I want to restart SM, under heavy traffic it leaks, even heamorages memory, or at least address space, and the mail filters are very easy to use, a great human time saver writing rules. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Your browser is out of date
A Williams wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: Геннадий Зиновьев wrote: Hello ;I use and SeaMonkey, but on some pages to work with this browser do not get this message: ;Your browser is out of date. ;Tell me, is it possible to fix it? Sorry for my English, it is written with the help of an interpreter. ;Sincerely Gennady from Donetsk. I suggest that you give the URL a website which demonstrates this problem. Also what version of SeaMonkey and what operating system do you use? I have this as well on one Linux machine running /I think) 2.15 The message is generated by Seamonkey and appears at the top of the browser area when I start the program. My home page is a blank screen. I thought there was another thread here (including how to fix it) some time in the last couple of months but I can't find it. This message doesn't mean what it says, the actual meaning is There is a newer version of Seamonkey released. It does *not* indicate that there is anything wrong with your version which wasn't wrong when it was released, just that there is a newer version available. It also means that any bugs you find will have even lower priority than bugs in the latest version. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
on SM19 Lightning calendar doesn't work
After upgrade to 19 from 17.1 Lightning didn't work. Add-in manager found an upgrade, I installed it, and that didn't work either. Yes, I restarted. Currently back on 17.1, this is must-have functionality for me. Linux x86_64, Fedora released upgrade RPM. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey/2.19 on Linux nuked all messages in InBox and ALL folders underneath
Michael Lueck wrote: Greetings, I had a most odd / scary thing happen this morning. I was sending an email via a SM POP account with a few MB of files attached to it. I remember accidentally clicking / doing something while it was sending via my SMTP (TLS) connection... and POOF that account's InBox went blank, and ALL sub-folders under the InBox have vanished. No pop-up message box what so ever was seen. There is no trace of them in the profile filesystem. This account's Inbox.sbd is completely empty. At the command line I changed up to the Mail directory and did find | grep foo where Foo is the name of folders which existing under that account's InBox. (Being careful to observe PrettyCase since this is a CaSe sEnSiTiVe filesystem I am dealing with.) NO TRACE of where the folders went. The files for the InBox are as follows: -rw--- 1 mdlueck mdlueck 46285982 Jul 13 09:45 Inbox -rw-rw-r-- 1 mdlueck mdlueck 2146 Jul 13 10:19 Inbox.msf -rw-rw-r-- 1 mdlueck mdlueck67775 Jul 13 09:50 Inbox.ORIG.msf I renamed off the folder index .msf file and rebuilt that folder's index. Though the Inbox data file has messages in it, they do not show up. Suggestions other than roll that account back to my most recent profile backup? Can you fall back to 2.17.1 and try the rebuild option again? That is wildly odd, and whatever you do, don't compact your folders or you really will lose everything. From the file sizes I'm guessing that you somehow marked those messages but they're still in the message file. You might be able to run the file through a tool like awk or sed and reset the flags which say the message is deleted. I remember doing that for some other reason once, renamed the Inbox, ran it through awk, saved the output as Inbox and rebuilt the index. You might scan the file with less or similar and see that it has what you are missing. System configuration: Ubuntu 12.04 x64 XFS filesystem SeaMonkey via UbuntuZilla, so the official Mozilla binaries Sincerely, -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Status on Next Version?
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: David E. Ross wrote: Would it be possible to post a message at least weekly in mozilla.support.seamonkey regarding the current status of efforts to resume development of SeaMonkey versions? It is been over a week since I have seen anything about your hardware failure. Followup-to set to mozilla.support.seamonkey. Ok, not much status to share but I don't want to keep you guys in the dark. * I'm still working on this. * Timing of the machine issue came at one of the worst possible times overall ** Our helper-release-engineer is in charge of a massive office colo move for his paid-job and can't really devote any time this/last week week. ** I was traveling for work last week ** I was sick for a few days the week before ** I had a close family member pass away today, and was on her way the past few days. * We have to juggle all this fixup time for our *free* time since we all have day jobs. It pains us to have this type of delay in getting any new version (beta or otherwise) out to you, but I will send more information along when we have things to share about progress. I can identify, don't be surprised to find ambition drops to zero around birthdays and holidays for several years. On the useful side, may I say that if the server ran in a virtual machine your issues would be far fewer. I'm running a web server on a VM now, which was on bare iron and up for seven years prior to a few days ago. Rather than move the web sites to a new server, I was able to move the server image in about ten minutes, although performance is down a touch. Since you're rebuilding anyway, you might consider that. Snapshots make backup easy. Sorry for your loss, HTH. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I get: SeaMonkey is already running
Mike C wrote: When I try to open SM I get: SeaMonkey is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing SeaMonkey process, or restart your system. BUT, It's NOT running! This even happens in safe mode. And with a fresh re-boot. Anyone know the answer? No, but I know a new (related) question, why doesn't -new-instance make it ignore the problem. Acording to help that's exactly what it should do. And I believe I've used command line options to open a new remote version as well, but don't have time to research it for you. Take a look at the -remote command values, see if that gives you a workaround if you ever really do have a running process. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: let's make a high-visibility theme!
Ben09880 wrote: I am an aspiring theme creator and respectfully request any and all assistance available to craft a theme for visually impaired individuals. I currently use Notepad++ to write my CSS, and the extension Stylish to apply them. I am nervous of creating my own userChrome.css file, as I have no prior knowledge of this structure/methodology/language/etc. I am not a web programmer. Padding, margins, etc. are all over my head, but I'm trying. I have a tiny bit of background from DOS, CP/M, C=Basic, etc. If there is a more appropriate location on the internet for this (and please don't say Mozillazine.org), please inform me. I do believe a 'standard-high-visibility' theme should come standard... with font scale options and icon scale options. I've seen what others have created and I am positive this is possible... but probably extremely difficult. I have gotten so far as extracting omni.ja; I can make some sense of it, but not much. If you want it to be useful you can't stop with text, the icons need to be easy to identify as well. Just BIG isn't the answer, and don't use red and green mush, color blind people can't see them well. I have a friend who and see red on black at all, which I found when he was looking for a sign while I drove one night. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Telling SM to do internal reboot
Ant wrote: On 5/18/2013 5:12 PM PT, Bill Davidsen typed: The mail filters in SM are highly useful, and I like to leave it running to do sorting, moving, forwarding. and such as messages come in. However, because SM still loses memory (at least on Linux) at an amazing rate, a reboot every time it get to 2-3GB in size is desirable. In particular the reboot to same open windows, as done after updating with the add-on manager, would be ideal. Is there some way to trigger that, such as a signal, which can be done externally? I know the developers will say there's no time to fix the problem of the memory leak, is there a way to get around it? Why not do a manual restart (quit and relaunch)? I have to do this often. :( How do I do that from a crontab? I have a script which checks space and kills when the process gets too big, but it would need manual intervention to enter the master password. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Telling SM to do internal reboot
Jens Hatlak wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: I know the developers will say there's no time to fix the problem of the memory leak There's no time to... SCNR. Incidentally I know that the developers, which in this case mostly means TB developers, continually fix memory leaks. So chances are that the ones you are seeing are actually caused by add-ons rather than the application itself. So could you give of hint which of the add-ons which come standard are at fault? Chatzilla? DOM inspector? Do they leak even though you don't use them? The only add-ins typically installed are not used when the system is sitting there filtering mail neither Lightning nor quote collapse is being used, I'm not there. I restart Friday night and Monday the process is 3-4G large. I'm not a big fan of add-on because I hate chasing updates, those two are about the only thing I normally install. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Telling SM to do internal reboot
The mail filters in SM are highly useful, and I like to leave it running to do sorting, moving, forwarding. and such as messages come in. However, because SM still loses memory (at least on Linux) at an amazing rate, a reboot every time it get to 2-3GB in size is desirable. In particular the reboot to same open windows, as done after updating with the add-on manager, would be ideal. Is there some way to trigger that, such as a signal, which can be done externally? I know the developers will say there's no time to fix the problem of the memory leak, is there a way to get around it? -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Old Eyes
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Ben09880 wrote: For the time being, I have been able to create a theme that makes text easier to read by changing all background elements within SeaMonkey to be black, with all text white. Are you sure you want to do that? Isn't it backwards with white-on-black? I believe sharp black-on-white is much easier to read. No, bright text on black screen is easier to read (for everyone, kids just don't notice). When the screen is bright the pupils shrink, think trying to see a traffic signal when the sun is in your eyes. That's why there's a backlit option on cameras. White-on-black is common on garage band web sites... I'm not sure that's relevant to the technical issues... I like green on black personally, that's also not relevant. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Old Eyes
Lee wrote: Got a question for someone, at my advanced stage of decay I am finding it a problem to read Sea Monkey. The print is so small in the area for listing of names etch and across the top where you can read the incoming mail (not the body of text)is so small. I know I can hit Ctrl and + and enlarge the body print. But the rest if I enlarge it more than 12 it blocks out some parts of Sea Monkey. Such as sign in. Is there any little trick other than getting a 50 inch monitor to be able to read this stuff. I did do the pref thing and did make the minimum 18 but as I said it blocked the name/password so I could not use it and am now back to 12. Especially where it says Subject from date above the body of the msg! Thanks! One thing you can do is reduce the pixels on your screen, which may make your wallpaper less beautiful but will make everything bigger. On Linux you can usually do that on a temporary basis, Windows generally wants to bend you to its will and learn to cope with the default behavior. I had my screen at 1600x900 and the wallpaper looked great, I could get a ton of stuff on the screen at the same time without using a bunch of desktops, and the only issue was that I could READ the stuff :-( Changed to a less ambitious resolution and the issue went away. I do have an old 42in TV which has a bad picture as a TV. It was replaced under warranty as having bad video, but fed from the computer it's fine. Fits my lifestyle but not my desk space. Oh, I also have a pair of glasses optimized to exactly my normal viewing distance, and it was a well spent $200 to go with top quality hardware. That helps old eyes, too. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: NASA live tv feed
W3BNR wrote: Can't view it in SM 2.8 with VLC Media Player (not downloadin), but it's working in IE with VLC; http://sites.wff.nasa.gov/webcast/ How does it work with work with versions of SM released in the last few years? They might support something like a recent plugin. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: RFE: Bundling BlueGriffon
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: John Bessa wrote: and my view is that composer is the way to go. Composer is extremely old and hasn't been looked after in many years. I'd suggest, if you want something this simple, that you look into BlueGriffon, which is still currently being developed. http://www.bluegriffon.org/ ... Given that situation, and since BlueGriffon is a next-generation Web editor based on the rendering engine of Firefox, how about the developers start bundling /that/ instead of Composer? Sure, take out the part that the rest of us use for what we do, and replace with something that suits you better. Composer works perfectly for what it does, ideal for small simple web pages, HTML documents, etc. If someone wants additional features by all means identify what suits you and go use it. Contribute time and/or money to get it added to seamonkey. NOTE: added not swapped. You were given the web site, can't you even be bothered to go get the tool yourself and not break the workflow of hundreds or thousands of other users who are using the tool you want to remove. Why don't you go BUY one of the commercial tools if they suit you better? -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Backing Up Archiving (offloading) SeaMonkey and Thunderbird
Lori wrote: I've never understood how to do this, and as a result of massive duplication of messages, I lost two important folders I was working on for accounting, due to overload, I imagine. Verizon blamed Mozilla for the duplication, by the way. My laptop crashed and I urgently need to protect my mail before sending to HP for repairs. How about starting with what OS you run, since the header doesn't seem to have that info?Unfortunately the best practice differs. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: v2.16 is officially out.
Ant wrote: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.16/ Works fine, but is there any hope the download page could have a link to current versions of popular plugins along with the link to the 64-bit Linux version? Going in and editing the version in the xpi didn't work, a more recent daily was needed to get it working. And on that topic, what would it take to get 64-bit Linux supported? More people are running 64 bit than 32 bit, at least for installs done in the last 18 months (my bittorrent server shows that for both Fedora and Mint). About two years ago there was a mention that someone had donated server capacity to finally allow supporting 64-bit, but it doesn't happen, so Check for updates never helps, upgrades must all be manual unless your distribution tracks changes and updates. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Per-Window Private Browsing
Neil wrote: Neil wrote: The Per-Window Private Browsing that Firefox is switching too has been turned on for all applications in nightly builds. We'll need to add some UI for it so that people will be able to try it out; if we can't get it working in time, we can always hide it later. So far I know will need some new menuitems, such as File - New Private Window (Ctrl+Shift+P?) and Open Link in Private Window. The Open Location dialog will also need an option to open in a new private window. Anyone got any other suggestions? I found bug 460895 which I have morphed to track this effort, and already filed a few dependent bugs with patches for the truly adventurous. At the moment the place that needs the most help is the about:privatebrowsing page itself, for which I have written a placeholder while I get some more UI hooked up. Once these initial patches get in, nightly users will be able to point out all the problems with private browsing, of which I expect there to be quite a few. Is there some about:everything or similar which shows what things can be found in about:* space? A few times a year I see someone mention some new feature in that space, and it would REALLY be nice if this was documented beyond the read the source level. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: pdf and SeaMonkey 2.16
Paul Bergsagel wrote: Will SeaMonkey 2.16 (the next major release) include built-in support for the .pdf file format? What did you have in mind? The current save/open choice seems optimal, PDF is a format which seems to lend itself to making that choice on a per-file basis, so the current action seems appropriate. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: v2.15.2 is out!
WaltS wrote: Ant wrote: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.15/changes Successfully installed. Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:18.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/18.0 SeaMonkey/2.15.2 Did your old Lightning 2.0b work, or did you have to install a new nightly? -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: v2.15.1 is out now. EOM
NoOp wrote: On 01/24/2013 05:54 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: NoOp wrote: ... The file on the addons site is from here: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/addons/2313/?C=M;O=D [lightning-2.0b1-sm+tb-linux.xpi29-Nov-2012 08:40 1.8M] $ md5sum lightning-2.0b1-sm+tb-linux.xpi d2792f4ec9be646ba5cef9e1fc5f4e07 lightning-2.0b1-sm+tb-linux.xpi ... I reckon the best place to ask is on the lightning user dev groups. Figured it was on their side, just would like to have a working xpi, to use on machines without external network. Thanks for looking. Bill, you can download use this file for machines without an external network: https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/addons/2313/lightning-2.0b1-sm+tb-linux.xpi That is the file that the addons manager downloads installs. Last night's build, I assume? I'll keep that handy, the last one I see on my backup was Jan 10. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit message as new
W3BNR wrote: On 2/3/2013 11:37 AM Ray_Net submitted the following: W3BNR wrote, On 03/02/2013 15:53: Is there any way to have SM NOT keep the message addresses when using the 'Edit message as new' function? Edit - Select - All Then click on Message - New Message Paste into body text. Fill in the Subject Put one or more mail adress(es) That's the way I've been doing it when there are a number of addresses is the original. One or two I don't mind erasing with the 'edit msg as new'. But I'd like to be able to 'one click' on the 'edit message as new' and not have the old address inserted. I would love to have a one click delete recipients or be able to select the first, hit alt-ctrl-End to select to the last and then delete. Hate to say it, but select-all doesn't do quite the same thing with attach and inlined images, at least I don't find a way to always do the right thing. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Java
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: NoOp wrote: I wonder... I visit http://myspeed.visualware.com/index.php where I need both flash an java. I find that I have to turn on both individually to get the speed test to work correctly: flash to select the region, and java to perform the speed test. If I bypass the flash requirement: http://myspeed.visualware.com/servers/namerica/iad.php?testtype=-2codebase=mcssjc.visualware.comlocation=USA: Then all I need to do is turn on Java to work. And yes, I did test using Windows: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:18.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/18.0 SeaMonkey/2.15.1 Java(TM) Platform SE 7 U13 File: npjp2.dll Version: 10.13.2.20 That said, I'd still turn on Java *only* if it is absolutely necessary then *turn it off* when no longer necessary. Interesting... The site you linked reported my speeds in SE Pennsylvania based on their Newark, NJ server: 6.91 Mbps down 13.3 Mbps up A moment later, http://www.speedtest.net/ reported based on their New York server: 57.46, 58.43 Mbps down (two tests) 32.68, 32.81 Mbps up (two tests) I wonder who to believe? I do seem to be able to stream HD video without jaggies or dropped frames, so I'm leaning toward speedtest. As a former news server project leader for att, I can tell you that your network tuning and theirs can make a huge difference in observed speed, particularly on long links. I first started looking at this when I was with GE, feeding data over a satellite link, although I'm sure all of their sites have surface connections. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Java
NoOp wrote: On 01/31/2013 06:39 AM, Matthias Kahlert wrote: Am 31.01.2013 10:43, schrieb Rob: ... When a problem can be worked around by using a new profile, it should always be possible to determine what part of the profile is the cause. Yes, but that is a very tedious task, so I hoped someone might know the solution. After some more testing (the new profile that worked yesterday has again ceased to do so today) it seems that pluginreg.dat might be the culprit, which doesn't even sound far-fetched with hindsight... https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-to-use-java-if-its-been-blocked Just a comment, The always allow java section is really a map to always allow *every plugin* and ignores the case where the java is trusted but some other aspects of the site, such as flash, might not be. That might well not be the action of chaice in all cases. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.15
Rob wrote: Daniel d...@albury.nospam.net.au wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Philip TAYLOR wrote, On 15/01/2013 16:45: Ray_Net wrote: I think that he spaeak about Mails, not News there is no Threads in mail. Yet there is a View / Threads option in Mail (I never use Usenet news), and changing the option changes the threads that are displayed . . . Philip Taylor Oups ! You are true ... i never imagine that. Anyway i have All for View-Threads option. But i cannot see threads .. i see mails after mails without relations between 2 mails. Ray, have you had any e-mails that should be threaded?? Here in NG, the messages can easily be with-in threads, but I, for one, rarely get more then one e-mail on the same thread!! The threading relies on the References: header that each mail client should fill with the message-IDs of the earlier messages in the thread. Many mail clients don't do that, and then the threading does not work. Actually, I sure hope mail threads on In-Reply-To as well, since that's very common. Almost all NNTP systems use References properly. When I did a mail-to-news gateway I had to rewrite the header. One of my complaints is that Seamonkey doesn't handle mail and news with a common interface, the W (whtch thread) command isn't in the mail, and that hurts when reading mailing lists. Thus my mail-to-news gateway, just so I could use that feature. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.15
Ray_Net wrote: Philip TAYLOR wrote, On 15/01/2013 16:45: Ray_Net wrote: I think that he spaeak about Mails, not News there is no Threads in mail. Yet there is a View / Threads option in Mail (I never use Usenet news), and changing the option changes the threads that are displayed . . . Philip Taylor Oups ! You are true ... i never imagine that. Anyway i have All for View-Threads option. But i cannot see threads .. i see mails after mails without relations between 2 mails. At the top of the page, in the column headings, click the leftmost one. I have a funky theme loaded so I'm not sure what it looks like to you, but click it, just as your would click the date header to sort by date or subject to sort by subject, etc. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: v2.15.1 is out now. EOM
NoOp wrote:
On 01/23/2013 09:29 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Ant wrote:
I wish there was a working version of Lightning for 2.15, I'm not deliberately
holding back, but I really need calendar. Is it possible that whoever produces
the Linux-x86_64 version could put a link to the calendar as well? Since Mozilla
builds that version, it would be helpful to *find* it! I have all sorts of
places to look, at least three URLs where Lightning for processors released in
this millenium may be found, but it sometimes works and sometimes not, and even
with the compatibility checking as off as I can get it, two won't load and one
won't work.
WFM.
See my thread: 2.15 Lightning
01/10/2013
Let me share an interesting this using your original note. I pulled down the
2.15.1 x86_64 Linux tar, and the xpi file, and put them in a shared (NFS)
directory. In a virtual machine running 2.14.1 as default, I installed the
seamonkey and started it. Worked fine.
Then I went to add-in manager and clicked install from file, and Lightning
would not install. Then I went to the website, through the development channel,
and it did install. Any thoughts appreciated.
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:18.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/18.0
SeaMonkey/2.15
Lightning 2.0b1 true {e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}
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Re: v2.15.1 is out now. EOM
NoOp wrote:
On 01/24/2013 11:17 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
NoOp wrote:
On 01/23/2013 09:29 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Ant wrote:
I wish there was a working version of Lightning for 2.15, I'm not deliberately
holding back, but I really need calendar. Is it possible that whoever produces
the Linux-x86_64 version could put a link to the calendar as well? Since Mozilla
builds that version, it would be helpful to *find* it! I have all sorts of
places to look, at least three URLs where Lightning for processors released in
this millenium may be found, but it sometimes works and sometimes not, and even
with the compatibility checking as off as I can get it, two won't load and one
won't work.
WFM.
See my thread: 2.15 Lightning
01/10/2013
Let me share an interesting this using your original note. I pulled down the
2.15.1 x86_64 Linux tar, and the xpi file, and put them in a shared (NFS)
directory. In a virtual machine running 2.14.1 as default, I installed the
seamonkey and started it. Worked fine.
Then I went to add-in manager and clicked install from file, and Lightning
would not install.
What version was the xpi and the md5sum? Where did you get it from?
Then I went to the website, through the development channel,
and it did install. Any thoughts appreciated.
My original post from the thread I referenced (Message-ID:
e-idncwmqyfhk3lnnz2dnuvz_hydn...@mozilla.org) was:
quote
For those that have upgraded to SeaMonkey 2.15 use the Lightning
Calendar extension, please note that you'll need to update to Lightning
version 2.0b1. You can download the xpi from here:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/lightning/
scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on Development
Channel, click the yellow '+ Add to SeaMonkey' button.
As for why you need to use a beta version with SeaMonkey 2.15, this
might be of interest:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/lightning/reviews/417396/
/quote
The file on the addons site is from here:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/addons/2313/?C=M;O=D
[lightning-2.0b1-sm+tb-linux.xpi29-Nov-2012 08:40 1.8M]
$ md5sum lightning-2.0b1-sm+tb-linux.xpi
d2792f4ec9be646ba5cef9e1fc5f4e07 lightning-2.0b1-sm+tb-linux.xpi
If you open the install.rdf file in that xpi package it shows:
Description!-- seamonkey
--em:id{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}/em:idem:minVersion2.15/em:minVersionem:maxVersion2.15.*/em:maxVersion/Description/em:targetApplicationem:id{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}/em:idem:nameLightning/em:nameem:version2.0b1/em:version!--
BuildID=20121128105637 --
...
em:targetPlatformLinux_x86-gcc3/em:targetPlatformem:targetPlatformLinux_x86_64-gcc3/em:targetPlatform
If you open the one from here look at the install.rdf:
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly/2.0b1-candidates/build1/linux-x86_64/
$ md5sum lightning.xpi
71a9de08a351ac6aecd7f4b66dfa4111 lightning.xpi
it shows:
Description!-- seamonkey
--em:id{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}/em:idem:minVersion2.15a2/em:minVersionem:maxVersion2.15a2/em:maxVersion/Description/em:targetApplicationem:id{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}/em:idem:nameLightning/em:nameem:version2.0b1/em:version!--
BuildID=20121128113904 --
...
/preferences.xul/em:optionsURLem:targetPlatformLinux_x86_64-gcc3/em:targetPlatform
So there are obvious differences. Unfortunately there seem to be
different versions all over the map the file labels are all generic
'lightning.xpi' on the
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly
directories. So I'd stick with the
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/addons/ - at leased they are
labeled.
I reckon the best place to ask is on the lightning user dev groups.
Figured it was on their side, just would like to have a working xpi, to use on
machines without external network.
Thanks for looking.
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Re: v2.15.1 is out now. EOM
Ant wrote: I wish there was a working version of Lightning for 2.15, I'm not deliberately holding back, but I really need calendar. Is it possible that whoever produces the Linux-x86_64 version could put a link to the calendar as well? Since Mozilla builds that version, it would be helpful to *find* it! I have all sorts of places to look, at least three URLs where Lightning for processors released in this millenium may be found, but it sometimes works and sometimes not, and even with the compatibility checking as off as I can get it, two won't load and one won't work. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mailing list
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Tihomir wrote: If I receive an interesting email from someone and want to forward it to a group of people, I use the mailing list feature that is included in Seamonkey. But if the original sender is someone who is already in the mailing list I want to forward to, I would then also like to remove that address from the list of recipients. Forte Agent (IIRC) handles this nicely, choosing a mailing list entry fills the actual email addresses, separated with commas, into the to: field, so it is easy to remove individual entries. Is there a way? Here's a workaround: 1) Create the message as described, but choose Send Later. 2) Find the message in the Unsent Messages folder, Edit as New (CTRL-E). You will notice that the mailing list name has been interpreted as a list of individual addresses. Don't know about your config, mine goes in OUTBOX. 3) Delete the addressees you want to exclude. 4) Send the edited version normally. 5) Delete the unsent copy. After I send unsent messages they are removed when sent. Again, your config is different. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
2.14.1 64 bit Linux fails with Lightning
I know, not supported, not official, has been working. Will fall back until it works again. Events list comes up, but attempts to add items fail. http://webster.tmr.com/~davidsen/Lightning-ng.png Permissions and ownership checked, and I know it's not supported, just reporting. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com Running in a test environment ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Clear cache ??
WaltS wrote: On 12/05/2012 03:15 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Philip TAYLOR wrote: WaltS wrote: How do you bypass the domain-masking frame? Right-click / This frame / Shew only this frame. Or, as I did because I was looking at the source, see that it's in a frame and go direct to the real URL from there. :-) I looked at the source, but missed the real URL. So I have to read source code now, to know if I am on the real URL? Why wasn't I redirected automagically? Think about that a minute... Refresh happens when the current page changes, or you do a forced manual reload. Since the page you were viewing didn't change, there was no way to know that the link target changed. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com Running in a test environment ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.14 released
Jens Hatlak wrote: The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.14: The new major release of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for download [1] now! Building on the same Mozilla platform as the newest Firefox release, it delivers the latest developments in web technologies such as HTML5, hardware acceleration and improved JavaScript speed. For some reason saving of passwords in the password manager doesn't seem to be working, a real PITA when I'm doing a lot of holiday shopping. Saved passwords are still there and functional, but new sites passwords don't save, for whatever reason. Other than that nothing noted, don't use the new features (or they make no visible difference), and only the saving seems an issue. Still investigating, for now I'm glad I have the file with passwords as a backup. Good that minor stability issues are being chased, though. SeaMonkey 2.14 is available in 26 languages, for Windows, Mac OS X and Linux. Most notably, this release features for the first time: * OS X 10.6 is now the minimum supported Mac version * JavaScript Maps and Sets are now iterable * SVG FillPaint and StrokePaint have been implemented * The sandbox attribute has been implemented for iframes, enabling increased security * Fixed several stability issues For a more complete list of changes in SeaMonkey 2.14, see the What's New in SeaMonkey 2.14 section of the Release Notes [2], which also contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org. Links: [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.14 [2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.14/ Greetings, Jens -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey-Compatible Password Exporter [was: Password saver has stopped working again]
Arnie Goetchius wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: David E. Ross wrote: Today, I discovered a SeaMonkey-compatible Password Exporter. It can be downloaded from the Rosenthal Rosenthal FTP site at ftp://ftp.2rosenthals.com/pub/Mozilla/Extensions/modified-for-SM-2.x/, which can be opened via SeaMonkey. Password Exporter is in the bottom half of the page. Also available at the Mozilla Add-Ons site: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/password-exporter/?src=ss It says it won't work in 2.14 That's fixable, more importantly it doesn't seem to download, it just says Can't install. I have an older version of this which has been hacked to install, but I would like to see what the difference between the old and new version is. It's probably on the Mozilla site somewhere to find with ftp, but life is short and the site is large. I thought the compatibility extension was supposed to allow you to install anyway, but I guess that isn't working in this case. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Still not informed of updates
Craig wrote: Daniel wrote: Craig, I see you are using Linux x86_64. The SeaMonkey Council does not produce a Linux 64bit releaseyet. They do, eventually, provide a contributed version, but this could take a couple of days extra. I believe, in the future, they will provide an approved versioneventually! Keep checking. I am, however, using a 32-bit version of 2.12.1. Should that not check for a newer 32-bit version? That depends on if it is one you downloaded and installed from Mozilla or if it's a package with your distribution. Fedora usually gets the package in testing quickly, then in production about ten days later. Your distribution almost certainly has a policy, which might not be the same. Re Linux x86_64: 1 - there wad no 64 bit release 2 - I asked and was told it was due to lack of server power to build it 3 - after i (and others) offered server hours or contributions, we were told that new server power was coming. 4 - I asked how they could have server power to build for beta and not for release 5 - the x86_64 is now not in the beta builds or release Draw what conclusions you will, I don't really want to keep an entire 32 bit environment for one program, so I use the 64 bit version. Don't know what the Windows version does, the Linux versions all hemorage memory, this one is virt 1.2GB, resident 188MB, after 28 hours up. Hope some part of this broad response hits your problem. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Suppress newly introduced e-mail pop-up
Philip Chee wrote: On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 11:05:21 +0100, Jens Hatlak wrote: Philip TAYLOR wrote: Still getting an obscuring pop-up, Jens; not as intrusive as the earlier one (one entry instead of many) but still annoying and interferes with functionality of e-mail client. Hmm, so the pref I told you only controls the extra preview text. AFAICS there is no pref for disabling the popup altogether. Maybe it can be hidden using CSS, but I wouldn't bet on it. Probably would need a code change then. Greetings, Jens The minimal popup (without the preview text) only shows if the folder pane isn't wide enough to show the full name of the folder currently hovered over. So to disable that you need to drag the splitter to the right until the popup stops appearing. In many cases that's WAY wider than needed. My solution, after killing preview and just getting the full name, is don't hover the pointer over the name in the folder selector! -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.13.2 available for download
Paul Bergsagel wrote: This is not an official announcement but SeaMonkey is now available for download on the Seamonkey Project page http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ At the moment the update is not on the Check for update tab in the browser--not sure when the update will appear. Thanks to our coders for this timely update. I'm torn between amazement and gratitude at the fast fix and prompt (if unofficial) update, and unease that there have been 12.1, 13.1, and now 13.2 releases. I fear the faster and faster release cycle has caused the QA to shrink faster than the time between releases. If I wanted to run dailies... I'm delighted that SM is being so diligent about fixes, I wish they weren't shooting at a moving target upstream, or at least such a *fast* moving target. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: When will Mozilla be releasing its SeaMonkey 2.13.2?
Ant wrote: On 10/28/2012 10:44 AM PT, WaltS typed: ... http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ shows it out. I will wait for its internal updater. :) I downloaded the 32-bit version, and installed it. Checking for updates using the 64-bit version didn't seem to find an update, and it may not since it is a contributed build. Ah. I am using 32-bit from Mozilla's server and still no updates just a few minutes ago. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=805714 says it is waiting for Symantec/Norton's whitelist before releasing the internal update. Let's hope this works correctly. ;) How's that 64-bit one? Can you tell any differences from the 32-bit one? It doesn't seem to leak memory as fast. I try to avoid having all the 32 bit libraries on 64 bit machines, so I use the contributed one. I did build my own at one point, but it was more just to prove I can than by need. I haven't built a Linux kernel in almost two years either, although 15 months of that was coping with with family issues. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: When will Mozilla be releasing its SeaMonkey 2.13.2?
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Desiree wrote: WaltS wls15...@removeyahoo.com wrote in message news:ofmdnsxm8p1ohxdnnz2dnuvz_uidn...@mozilla.org... On 10/28/2012 02:30 PM, Ant wrote: On 10/28/2012 10:44 AM PT, WaltS typed: ... http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ shows it out. I will wait for its internal updater. :) I downloaded the 32-bit version, and installed it. Checking for updates using the 64-bit version didn't seem to find an update, and it may not since it is a contributed build. Ah. I am using 32-bit from Mozilla's server and still no updates just a few minutes ago. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=805714 says it is waiting for Symantec/Norton's whitelist before releasing the internal update. Let's hope this works correctly. ;) How's that 64-bit one? Can you tell any differences from the 32-bit one? It looks prettier. -- Fedora 17 (64-bit) Thunderbird Beta (17.0) Install and test it. One state should not determine an election. http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/ I must have missed something along the way regarding this. I read the bug and I still don't understand what Norton's whitelist has to do with releasing the SM update. It's Tuesday and still no update available through internal updater. Its out now. The short answer re: Nortons whitelist, is that there are a good number of users of SeaMonkey using Norton as a Virus Scan. Norton has heuristic scans, which are falsely identifying some files SeaMonkey needs to function properly as including behavior that is known/common in malware (or some such), which makes Norton (by default, with little way to prevent in future installs) delete the files from the OS. Even restoring them from Norton yields future problems with partial-updates (since norton, seems to slightly modify the checksum of the dll's when restored) SeaMonkey will still startup when this happens for most users, but many essential functions are broken. It is why I still made SeaMonkey available via the website, since users who manually download/install can recognize the issue relatively easily; however users who get an update automatically, and then on restart get it applied, only to find out Norton hurt their install will have had issues, without easily understanding what the issue was. None of the Sec Issues fixed in SM 2.13.2 were exploited in the wild (that we know of yet), so I felt safe in the wait for Norton here. Thank you for the explanation, I know a few people I suspect of using Windows. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Password saver has stopped working again
Once again a new version has stopped supporting an extension to save all passwords in human readable format. I'm not looking for a discussion of why this is a good or bad thing, since it is a required thing for this client. Reasons to do it: - it's *their* hardware - it's *their* passwords - they pay me *their* money to do things *their* way - the choice is to provide the list, on paper, within 24 hours of any change, or stop working for them - they're not asking for anything of mine, just theirs the way they want it. So is there an extension which allows dumping the full content of the password database into a text file or are we back to doing it by hand or using another software? -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.13.1 Released
Desiree wrote: Sandy sa...@millport.net wrote in message news:y8ednfyynp_lyutnnz2dnuvz_rodn...@mozilla.org... Why does the partial update fail? This is the third time in a row that I have had to endure the very slow servers and download the full update. Why is this? I'm not going to further update SM if I have to do these big, slow full updates. Updated very quickly and easily here using Windows 7 and about 7Meg download speed. I also live on a small island off the West coast of Scotland so I am a wee bit remote. I'm in the middle of the Pacific ocean and have 15/1 plan but Mozilla has extremely slow serversalways has. I get about 240KB/sec on download. I have no idea how you diddle your network settings on Windows, or if they extend the We know best to that, but setting your window size larger often helps for connections with slow ping times. That allows more packets to be in flight out of the server but unacknowledged by your system. Bigger is better in this case, defaults were probably set for 640k Windows 95 and never tuned for current memory sizes. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.13.1 Released
Robert Kaiser wrote: David E. Ross schrieb: I go to the FTP server so that I can also download the related SHA1 checksum. FYI, if you use the SeaMonkey-internal update mechanism, you get both the advantages of using as-local-as-possible mirrors *and* verification with a checksum that is not just SHA-1 but SHA-512 - and the checksum and other info about the update is coming via an encrypted connection (SSL) that is only allowed to be signed by certain CAs, so that the delivery mechanism is *really* secure. Good to know, and if you guys ever support 64bit Linux for real instead of as a contributed build, that would be the way to go. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.13.1 Released
David E. Ross wrote: On 10/14/12 3:09 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote: David E. Ross schrieb: I go to the FTP server so that I can also download the related SHA1 checksum. FYI, if you use the SeaMonkey-internal update mechanism, you get both the advantages of using as-local-as-possible mirrors *and* verification with a checksum that is not just SHA-1 but SHA-512 - and the checksum and other info about the update is coming via an encrypted connection (SSL) that is only allowed to be signed by certain CAs, so that the delivery mechanism is *really* secure. Robert Kaiser Having to maintain two PCs, I prefer to download the update and then install from my hard drive. For incremental updates via .mar files, I developed a .bat file script to do this. What I really want is to download once and install twice. The internal update capability would download twice to install twice. I recently obtained an application to compute and verify SHA512 checksums. While Thunderbird updates on the FTP servers have SHA512 checksums as well as MD5 and SHA1, SeaMonkey updates on the FTP servers have only MD5 and SHA1. A short word about CRC methods: sources of error are transmission error and deliberate tampering. the reason people moved away from MD5 was that it is in some cases actually possible to modify a binary and fudge it to match an MD5sum. The sha1 is more resistant to deliberate tampering, but since you are getting the binary and CRC values from the same machine, if someone could hack the binary they could hack the CRC as well, giving no protection against tampering. The sha512 is better than sha1 and sha256, but there is a paper out showing that sha224 is actually more resistant to tampering but less for random errors. I leave it to you to find and read that topic if you care, the short answer is that the MD5 is fine as a check for random damage in most cases, and getting the CRC (of any kind) from the same site as the binary is a risk. If you want secure, pull the sha512 via ftp from the master server, then download and check the actual binary from somewhere fast. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Keeping the last XX days for news/usenet servers in SM v2.0.12?
Ant wrote: Hi! I noticed that SeaMonkey (SM) v2.0.12 purges old newsgroup threads/posts before I go read the specific newsgroup. Is there a way to have it do AFTER I read the newsgroup like in v2.0.14 and earlier? Basically I was downloading tons of headers in an unread newgroup with last eight/8 days to keep. I went to read this group, and it was empty because SM purged the newsgroup threads because they were older than 8/eight days. :( One more thing to check, someone mentioned marking old messages as read, you don't by any chance have view-threads set to threads with unread do you? If so you will not see the threads marked read even though they are still there. Grasping at straws, but I often wish for more options in this area, much like message filters. In particular I want: 1 - show threads if I have posted to them 2 - show threads if any post tagged XX (I tag questions I will answer if someone else doesn't) After that I'm out of ideas. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey is overly parranoid and has inadequate error message
Richard Owlett wrote: My ISP (small local firm) provides spam and virus filters on all email accounts. They use software from www.barracudanetworks.com . I have two problems with SeaMonkey's response to messages from my ISP that there are emails in my quarantine folder. 1. SeaMonkey flags all these messages as a possible scam. The messages are in HTML and have a link to click through to my quarantined message and to page to modify my preferences. 2. When I click on any of the links I receive a warning message that the URL is numeric. How can I white list these messages and that specific URL? Each incoming notification does have a button for Not a scam. But that only deletes the warning for that specific notification, not the next one from my ISP : I will give you some hints, but because (a) you use Windows, and (b) you undoubtedly don't run your own mail server, I can't give you step by step instructions. This info from my notes. The scam stuff is set in a header line in the message seemingly added by SM. It's one of the X-Mozilla-Status lines. If the message looks like a scam a bit will be set for the message, clear the bit to make the warning go away. In my case I simply added the flag lines in my custom perl mail filter which works with spamassassin to preprocess mail. How you do it is up to you, if you're a programmer and want to play with the mail file wherever SM puts them in Windows, go to it and share your results. I suspect this will help with understanding more than solution, but there it is. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [Linux] Browser refuses to use my script as helper app
Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 7 septembre 2012, NoOp a écrit : You need to change the permissions. This works for me (although the window size is not ideal (for my monitor): $ ls -al evince-patched -rwxrwxr-- 1snipped 214 Sep 7 18:06 evince-patched Thanks, but that doesn't work for me (plus I wouldn't want to set +w for the group). Then I also tried 700, 754, 770, 777, 775, 744, to no avail. Take a look at permissions on the directories in the path, you need world execute to pass through (not read). I agree about making things group writable, although if your Linux makes a per-user group it probably doesn't present much of an issue. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: ALT-A
rjkrjk wrote: win xp sp3, sm 2.12 attempting to copy information originating from SM COMPOSER / (HTML) Source by ALT-A I think it stopped working as of this new (2.12) update need some help here You must be focused in the window before you use cntl-A. That's the most common reason why it grabs what's in another window, if any. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Is there any hope for a supported 64bit Linux version?
We last went down this road a few years ago and Robert said that {someone} was
contributing a few servers to up capacity for builds to allow Linux_x86_64 to be
supported. Didn't happen.
For all the people who have missed the subject or don't know the difference
between supported and contributed, please don't clutter the list with
off-topic responses.
With a supported build you can check for updates, you can update in place, and
even opt to do automatic updates if you are a trusting person. If you try that
from 64bit Linux, the update loaded is the 32 bit one. But you say, it works
for me, and except for a GB or so of 32 bit libraries and cruft you are
correct. But it would be *so* nice to just upgrade instead of doing a full
reinstall from scratch (and depending on the goodness of a contributor for that).
So one last time, any hope?
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Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com
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taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if
we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010
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Re: GNOME shell service
WaltS wrote: On 09/02/2012 02:42 PM, Neil wrote: Today I checked in the remaining parts of the GNOME shell service. When those of you running Linux update tomorrow you may find that it prompts you to set it as your default browser and mail client. (It can also be set as your default news and RSS client.) Just installed Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:18.0) Gecko/18.0 Firefox/18.0 SeaMonkey/2.15a1 Build ID: 20120202003005 to test this, and when I select Help Check for Updates..., I get No Updates Found. Gnome 3.4.2 I commented on the somewhat random results of update in another post. Unfortunately the only reliable way I have found which always works is to download and install a complete nightly. YMMV, but I have had various issues with upgrade. I doubt this helps, but hopefully it adds information. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: spinning cursor
Daniel wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Jim Taylor wrote, On 28/05/2012 01:18: sean nathan wrote: is there something going on with the mozilla.org servers that would cause m to have an incessantly spininng cursor when connected to this newsgroup? sean It's not the servers, it's a bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727414 Where we can use a work-around: Under about:config put ui.use_activity_cursor false I wouldn't call that a work-around, it disables the cursor function to tell you when things are (still) happening. If you want a work-around tap the ESC key which may actually stop the background activity causing the cursor spin. Since that make the CPU usage go down, at least in Linux, I assume that the real issue is that some background activity is still running a loop checking if something is complete and sleeping if it isn't. I would rather have the activity notification present and stop the background activity manually when I see something running, as opposed to selecting an option which amounts to something undesirable is happening, I won't look. Generally in computing ignorance is not bliss. After checking this problem a bit, it actually may be a server issue, in that 4-5 other servers I visit which have lots of unread articles don't show this behavior. The cursor spin briefly while the network activity indicator is on, then stops without intervention on most other servers other than mozilla servers. I shall investigate more, but I post now so people can see if this matches their observations. Bill, I also get the no stop spinning icon in the Accounts and Threads parts of the SM screen, have don so since about 2.7 or 2.8 Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120715 Firefox/14.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.11 Tried your tip about tapping Escdoes not work for me!! Thanks for testing, another data point. Happily it does for me, just used it a moment ago, but all workarounds fall under the YMMV rule. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: spinning cursor
Ray_Net wrote: Jim Taylor wrote, On 28/05/2012 01:18: sean nathan wrote: is there something going on with the mozilla.org servers that would cause m to have an incessantly spininng cursor when connected to this newsgroup? sean It's not the servers, it's a bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727414 Where we can use a work-around: Under about:config put ui.use_activity_cursor false I wouldn't call that a work-around, it disables the cursor function to tell you when things are (still) happening. If you want a work-around tap the ESC key which may actually stop the background activity causing the cursor spin. Since that make the CPU usage go down, at least in Linux, I assume that the real issue is that some background activity is still running a loop checking if something is complete and sleeping if it isn't. I would rather have the activity notification present and stop the background activity manually when I see something running, as opposed to selecting an option which amounts to something undesirable is happening, I won't look. Generally in computing ignorance is not bliss. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sync setup - CAPCHA not displayed w/ 2.11
Bill Davidsen wrote: I have sync on several machines, but trying to set up a number of virtual desktops for a course, I get this prove you are not a robot screen. I seem to recall a CAPCHA or similar prompt before, no nothing... Seamonkey is 2.11 Linux x86 (32 bit), VM is Redhat Enterprise Linux v6.2. I assume this requires some image viewer not installed by default and not checked for, Thoughts? Screen: http://www.tmr.com/~davidsen/Private/SyncSetup-Fail-2.png Still hoping for some interest, 2.9.1 worked -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sync setup - CAPCHA not displayed w/ 2.11
Hartmut Figge wrote: Bill Davidsen: Bill Davidsen wrote: Screen: http://www.tmr.com/~davidsen/Private/SyncSetup-Fail-2.png Still hoping for some interest, 2.9.1 worked I cannot see the picture. But even if, i do not use sync or VMs. |Network Timeout | |The operation timed out when attempting to contact www.tmr.com. | |The requested site did not respond to a connection request and |thebrowser has stopped waiting for a reply. Hartmut Yes, I have been having issues with the incoming line to the mail and web servers for ten days. When it rains my speed drops and/or ceases. I file a trouble ticket and Verizon checks the line next dry day, finds nothing. Been playing that for ten days now, VZ doesn't check up the pole when it rains for safety, tells me I can't get fiber because my phone lines are underground. You can probably see it now, but it just shows the empty rectangle where a CAPCHA would be. Sigh. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sync setup - CAPCHA not displayed w/ 2.11
Hartmut Figge wrote: Bill Davidsen: Been playing that for ten days now, VZ doesn't check up the pole when it rains for safety, tells me I can't get fiber because my phone lines are underground. You can probably see it now, Yes. I have saved it and looked at it with gimp. but it just shows the empty rectangle where a CAPCHA would be. Sigh. Could it be that the captcha is coming from a remote source which is blocked? Perhaps by a preference or by Adblock? How about a try with -safe-mode? I'll try that, but why 2.9.1 would work and 2.11 not...? I was hoping a developer would comment, but I guess the SM developers just leave a hook for sync and don't want to get into it (reasonable), while the sync developers don't read here (assumption, possibly wrong). -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sync setup issues
Jens Hatlak wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: I have sync on several machines, but trying to set up a number of virtual desktops for a course, I get this prove you are not a robot screen. I seem to recall a CAPCHA or similar prompt before, no nothing... Yes, it's a CAPTCHA; reCAPTCHA (Google), actually. I assume this requires some image viewer not installed by default and not checked for No, it's just a website embedded (loaded) into the Sync setup wizard. I guess it's a connection issue on your end or between you, your provider and the CAPTCHA provider, because it worked for me on both Win 7 with a recent SM nightly (2.14a) and on Linux with SM 2.11. The only other reason I could think of would be that the CAPTCHA provider's site is blocked by some software on your end, e.g. an add-on. Sync takes care of NoScript itself, but anything else (like AdBlock Plus) could interfere. Nothing of that nature loaded, and probably wouldn't change with 2.9.1 vs. 2.11 anyhow. Well, I'll look at the source and see if anything is obvious, maybe even install KDE and see if it's related in some way. Thanks for the hints. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Sync setup issues
I have sync on several machines, but trying to set up a number of virtual desktops for a course, I get this prove you are not a robot screen. I seem to recall a CAPCHA or similar prompt before, no nothing... Seamonkey is 2.11 Linux x86 (32 bit), VM is Redhat Enterprise Linux v6.2. I assume this requires some image viewer not installed by default and not checked for, Thoughts? Screen: http://www.tmr.com/~davidsen/Private/SyncSetup-Fail-2.png -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [WebM prefbar button] Re: [Solved] Re: Turn Off HTML5?
NoOp wrote: On 08/01/2012 10:52 AM, NoOp wrote: On 08/01/2012 03:59 AM, Jim Taylor wrote: NoOp wrote: ... So, I rephrase: anyone know how to turn *off* HTML5 completely, without disabling javascript completely? I don't know how to turn it off completely, but changing media.autoplay.enabled to false will keep them (and flash) from autostarting. Thanks Jim (and Kairo) for trying. That doesn't work. However that did give me a hint I did find what I need: media.webm.enabled;false [1] That works. So what I was actually looking for (and didn't know it) was how to turn WebM off/on. Now I have to figure out how to create a Prefbar button to disable/enable webm by turning media.webm.enabled to false/true. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebM And managed to create a prefbar WebM button by modifying Manuel's Geolocation Checkbox button (thanks Manuel): code: ?xml version=1.0? RDF:RDF xmlns:prefbar=http://www.xulplanet.com/rdf/prefbar#; xmlns:NC=http://home.netscape.com/NC-rdf#; xmlns:RDF=http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#; RDF:resource RDF:about=urn:prefbar:info prefbar:formatversion=2 / RDF:Description RDF:about=urn:prefbar:buttons:webm prefbar:type=check prefbar:label=WebM prefbar:prefstring=media.webm.enabled prefbar:topref=value prefbar:frompref=value / RDF:Seq RDF:about=urn:prefbar:browserbuttons:enabled RDF:li RDF:resource=urn:prefbar:buttons:webm/ /RDF:Seq /RDF:RDF Save as: webm.btn Open Prefbar 'Customize', right click on any menu item select 'Import'. Go to webm.btn import. Done. Works. I can now turn WebM off/on with a single click of a prefbar button in the same way that I can turn flash on/off. Most neat, added to my SMtricks folder -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.10.1 doesn't want to run IPv6
NoOp wrote: On 07/02/2012 12:19 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: I've been running SM 2.9.1 on a 64 bit Linux system (Fedora 17) which lacks external IPv4 connection. It's been running fine. Are you stating that your Fedora 17 has no IPv4? Odd mine does. What does that have to do with this problem? You have a network connection which supports IPv4 to the external world, mine currently only has IPv4 to machines inside the firewall. Since 2.9.1 worked, and still does after downgrade, I'm assuming that the issue with the change in behavior is caused by the change in software. Today I tried to install on a system and it just goes away without messages or warning. What does? SM 2.10.1? Or IPv6? Seamonkey. Process terminates, nothing in any log, nothing screen, tried the download contributed version, tried the Fedora version from updates-testing, same behavior. Exit status was zero (no error). I suspect virtually no one is running on IPv6 Linux and it's a contributed build so I won't bother to report it on bugzilla, just noting this in case it's useful. https://ipv6.google.com/ Works for me. $ traceroute6 -n ipv6.google.com traceroute to ipv6.l.google.com (2001:4860:4001:803::1014) from 2001:0:53aa:64c:c58:6b5b:ba1b:a8ee, 30 hops max, 16 byte packets 1 2001:470:0:1e1::2 539.081 ms 13.924 ms 14.015 ms 2 2001:470:0:1e1::1 190.978 ms 22.796 ms 14.014 ms $ ping6 ipv6.google.com PING ipv6.google.com(nuq04s07-in-x10.1e100.net) 56 data bytes 64 bytes from nuq04s07-in-x10.1e100.net: icmp_seq=1 ttl=59 time=378 ms 64 bytes from nuq04s07-in-x10.1e100.net: icmp_seq=2 ttl=58 time=15.8 ms 64 bytes from nuq04s07-in-x10.1e100.net: icmp_seq=3 ttl=58 time=16.4 ms ^C64 bytes from nuq04s07-in-x10.1e100.net: icmp_seq=4 ttl=59 time=16.5 ms I'm running teredo. Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120630 Firefox/14.0 SeaMonkey/2.11 As noted in the subject, this report is about 2.10.1, the current shipping version. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.10.1 continues crashing
Klaus Weber wrote: Windows XP For several weeks I realize that seamonkey crashes very often never asking for a crash report. Sometimes it happens when I change an address in the address book or when I want to send an e-mail often also at other times. What could be the reason? My mail folders are meanwhile quite big. Could that be a reason? Thanks for any advice. Was 2.9.1 stable? I doubt that large mail folders are an issue, I have 2.10.1 on 32 bit Linux, and my mail folders are 1171276kB today, this profile has been in use since 1.0.6 or so. Don't run Windows other than in a VM to test IE behavior on websites, can't help there. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM 2.10.1 doesn't want to run IPv6
I've been running SM 2.9.1 on a 64 bit Linux system (Fedora 17) which lacks external IPv4 connection. It's been running fine. Today I tried to install on a system and it just goes away without messages or warning. I suspect virtually no one is running on IPv6 Linux and it's a contributed build so I won't bother to report it on bugzilla, just noting this in case it's useful. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.9 released
Jens Hatlak wrote: The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.9: The new major release of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for download [1] now! Building on the same Mozilla platform as the newest Firefox release, it delivers the latest developments in web technologies such as HTML5, hardware acceleration and improved JavaScript speed. SeaMonkey 2.9 is available in 26 languages, for Windows, Mac OS X and Linux. Most notably, this release features for the first time: [...snip...] * View Source now has line numbers How does one turn OFF the line numbers? Is there a pref I missed? -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Incoming and Outgoing Email While Traveling
BIll Spikowski wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: BIll Spikowski wrote: This week I used two different wi-fi connections each day while on a business trip. On one connection, I had normal full access to the web and to my incoming and outgoing email using Seamonkey. On the other connection, I had full access to the web, but could not access my regular email account either through Seamonkey or through webmail (all other websites operated normally). I've experienced similar email blockages while traveling other places. I doubt it's a Seamonkey problem, but I'm wondering what a workaround might be? Are you using the insecure ports and services, SMTP and POP3, or the secure versions of them? Some IP providers block access to the unsecured port, while other block access to all mail ports and services in the name of SPAM. I don't really know! Since I don't really understand the nuances, I usually try things until they start working, then leave them that way until they stop working Did you use webmail with an insecure (http:) URL or a secure (https:) URL, same issue, different blockage. http; I didn't know I had a choice! You can try https: if the server supports it. The solution is to run some form of VPN to a host which trusts you and has an unfiltered network access. That becomes a very deep and off-topic subject, so I hesitate to give you a more complete answer here. And people do block VPN ports as well, so even that is no panacea. The fact that other sites worked may also mean that the site where you do mail is just totally blocked, ISPs are not universally subtle, or even _competent_! The VPN suggestion sounds like a great workaround, I had never thought of that... -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Switching profiles does nothing
Mickey Fimbres wrote: I'm new to the monkey, and I thought it would be great to try out. I've got 2 gmail accounts. One is my personal that I've had for years, the other is the corporate gmail account. I created 2 profiles each with their own unique passwords, and settings. However when I go to Tools/Switch Profile/ then select the other profile nothing happens. One would think that the other email inbox would appear, but nothing happens at all. Am I doing something wrong? What would you expect to happen? In other words, what do you think should happen? If you go to the change profile screen which profile does it show as active? And finally, unless you are doing this as a learning exercise, you do know that you can have multiple mail accounts in one profile, right? Having a separate profile for each mail account will get old in less time than you can hold your breath. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com Running in a test environment ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Preventing new version checking
NoOp wrote: On 04/11/2012 05:43 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Is there a switch I can set in config to prevent checking for new versions of SM? I don't want the pop-up, easiest way to prevent that is not to check. Test environment, 1st rule, when chasing problems change only one thing at a time. In reply to a message I got via email and haven't seen here, yes, I did. app.update.auto;false app.update.enabled;false Or you could try the standard way: Edit|Preferences|Advance|Software Installation uncheck 'Automatically check for updates Isn't doing that what set the preferences? Or does that do something else as well? In any case I'll check that, thanks. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com Running in a test environment ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Preventing new version checking
Is there a switch I can set in config to prevent checking for new versions of SM? I don't want the pop-up, easiest way to prevent that is not to check. Test environment, 1st rule, when chasing problems change only one thing at a time. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com Running in a test environment ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Preventing new version checking
Bill Davidsen wrote: Is there a switch I can set in config to prevent checking for new versions of SM? I don't want the pop-up, easiest way to prevent that is not to check. Test environment, 1st rule, when chasing problems change only one thing at a time. In reply to a message I got via email and haven't seen here, yes, I did. app.update.auto;false app.update.enabled;false -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com Running in a test environment ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey not asking for user name in newsgroup
Eric wrote: Need a little help here. I put the wrong user name in to a newsgroup and told seamonkey to remember it, now I can't put the correct one in, just the password, which doesn't get me anywhere because of the wrong user name. I would expect the entry in password manager to be reset if the login fails, assuming you provide a new value when prompted for retry. In any case, you can go into password manager and just delete the bad information. I'm assuming that you mean you log into a news server, I don't know how a group would have a password, and the password manager is organized by site. NOTE: if you are using a news server like eternal-september, it doesn't require a password, it just doesn't let you access some groups without one. Since it doesn't prompt in the NNTP protocol you need to check the always send authentication feature when setting up the site. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Missing paper clip if attachment file is a .zip
Ray_Net wrote: NoOp wrote, On 06/04/2012 22:26: On 04/06/2012 12:31 PM, Ray_Net wrote: NoOp wrote, On 06/04/2012 05:11: ... I am able to send and retrieve. I'll send you a zip file directly if you wish. You can then let me know if you receive it. It's ok, but you have not used SM to send your mail. I did. I sent it to you directly. And here was my reply (off list): Sure I did: Message-ID:4f7e5f5f.8000...@sbcglobal.net Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 20:13:35 -0700 From: NoOpgl...@sbcglobal.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120312 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray_NetRaymond-snipped Subject: Missing paper clip if attachment file is a .zip X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=050205030303020805080402 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --050205030303020805080402 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also received the zip file attached to your repply: Content-Type: application/zip; name=test.zip Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=test.zip ... ok, ok, but what do you think about. Your mail sent: Content-Type: application/zip; and my mail sent: Content-Type: multipart/x-zip; I think that is the root of the problem multipart for a one-part attachement. You have said this multiple times, your mail is multipart, there's a text part and an attachment part. And since you see the parts, Seamonkey has attached the data just fine. Let me ask a question so dumb I'm ashamed to mention it: since the paper clip is part of the theme (and looks different in various themes), you haven't by any chance chosen a theme wich omits the clip from the symbol for read mail have you? You are asking this about the standard default theme? -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Mail filters turn off - SM 2.7.2
Not a new issue, been around for a while, perhaps someone has a clur? I have kind of a lot of mail filters on my business mailbox, and every once in a while, 3-4 times a month, I see messages which shoukld have gone into subfolders of various kinds. When I scan the filters from the _tools_ menu, I see that the filter has become unchecked and is not active. Checking it and running by hand solves the immediate problem, but does anyone have a good idea why this happens? I don't see this in smaller mail or newsgroups accounts, but I am not confident that it's only related to mail volume. OS Linux, SM 2.7.2, all 32 bit. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Filters not usable on newgroups
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 24/03/2012 22:41, Beauregard T. Shagnasty told the world: PhillipJones wrote: I guess I could blacklist gmail.com and yahoo.com problem is there might be some legit posting. No, you should blacklist (filter out) Google Groups, the source of nearly all Usenet spam. Real people use Gmail and Yahoo addresses, so that is not a good idea. http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/ I had a look at that... and at this page: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/filters_ex2.html it's claimed that Thunderbird/Seamonkey is unable to filter on Message-ID. That may be true on the default setup (I'm not sure, it has been *so long* since I started a profile from scratch..) but it's not completely true. First, it's possible to create custom headers as explained here: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_FAQs_:_Filters There are two ways to do news filtering (actual;ly NNTP protocol filtering). One is using the set of headers provided by the overview program, which includes only certain headers rather than all, and which can be used without downloading the article. The other is to download the article complete, and look at all headers and the body. I don't think Seamonkey does that. This limits the headers to those in overview, which includes the Message-ID header. Note that other headers can be provided if the server is configured to do so, but assume most aren't. So you can filter on Message-ID, but AFAIK not totally arbitrary headers. (I dimly remember having to do *something* to get that option to set up custom headers. Maybe they are/used to be hidden by default, and I had to change some about:config setting?) And then, for even more options, there's FiltaQuilla: http://mesquilla.com/extensions/filtaquilla/ Hope this helps, I spent about 20 years running news servers for major companies and ISPs, it was a fun time and great technical forum before porn took over. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Filters not usable on newgroups
PhillipJones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: chicagofan wrote: Why can't someone who knows how to filter crossposts, now, tell me how to do it. Making a filter for From, Contains, , . does not work for me. What am I doing wrong? Filtering on the wrong item. You don't want to filter on From -- you want to filter on Newsgroups. You will have to use the Customize choice and add it. Then filter on your comma. I've set up Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com or *is* or *contains* and what happens to: Delete Mark As Read ignore thread ignore sub thread Nothing happens Your example above says ends three times, and I don't think that will ever look (did not look at the code, though) because a Message-ID ends in which is part of the field, not a silly delimiter to make it easy to read. I even Set to show full headers and a message shows message-id so and so does not exist. I am beginning to believe that Filters don't work on newsgroups. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Filters not usable on newgroups
PhillipJones wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-03-26 9:26 PM, PhillipJones wrote: I've set up Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com or *is* or *contains* and what happens to: Delete Mark As Read ignore thread ignore sub thread Nothing happens I even Set to show full headers and a message shows message-id so and so does not exist. I am beginning to believe that Filters don't work on newsgroups. Not all gg posts have a message id that ends with googlegroups.com. And remember just because someone posts with a gmail address does not mean they are using gg. I also don't know why you set Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com three times. A common header in gg posts is X-Complaints-To: groups-ab...@google.com So try a filter like this: http://ilias.ca/screenshots/ggfilter.png I tried 3 different Not at the same time,version just to see what works. Every combination. despite the different combinations, I haven't found a Combination that will make the stuff go away. I don't want it to even show up when I open the newsgroups. It occurs to me that you may not have the reader set to headers-only mode, in which case I think it will fail. My guess is that this is because whoever wrote the code didn't understand NNTP and the difference between the DELETE and CANCEL actions. That's which when you delete a message it tries to do a cancel and take it off every machine on Earth, instead of removing it from your local storage and header info. I argued that with developers about 1998, and decided no one is so sure in their opinion as those who ignore the facts and RFC info. Trying to do CANCEL (a) doesn't often work, and (b) would be like delete trying to contact all cc recipients and destroy their copy as well. Sorry, that pisses me off 15 years later... -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Filters not usable on newgroups
Daniel wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: chicagofan wrote: Paul wrote: PhillipJones wrote: chicagofan wrote: PhillipJones wrote: I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New Servers. One more or less said don't Bother me. The other did remove the messages like the should have. So decided to create filters to mark them read. They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has removed the ability to filter news Groups. When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I don't want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through each group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading the group. To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I want to do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it. Have you tried deleting them? Filters work fine for me in ngs, but I choose to delete them in the filter. bj This is what I get : http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119. I don't know about 2+. At any rate, I have never been able to find or use such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings... at least not easily and possibly not legally. I have always had message filters for Newsgroups, and I think you've misunderstood about how Delete Messages is accomplished. We can't do it in the newsgroups, but we can set our NG message *filters* to delete them, so that we never have to see them. It is so nice. :) bj As of SM 2.7.2 on Linux they seem to work, the posts are just not indexed into the list of available postings in the heading frame. There used to be a way to make an entire thread hidden after it was in the index, but I can't find any info on how that used to work. It was not with a filter, just a mark on the thread that kept it off the screen. Anyway, filters do seem to work for me in ng. Bill, are you speaking of Message-Mark-Thread as Read?? Actually no, that wasn't an option there the last time I cared, I was just using delete as the action. Which did a local delete, not a CANCEL globally. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Open Window on link click behavior
I used to have SM set to open a link in the current tab on left click, and in a new tab. That's from the browser. In mail, left click opened a new window, and middle click a tab on the current browser window. I can't seem to replicate that behavior with 2.7.2 or 2.8. Has something changed? Notes: - on the update from an older version a lot of config option got changed, I probably just haven't gotten them right. - Yes, I know that I can inconveniently replicate that functionality from a menu, using a click-select-click sequence. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Reminders from long dismissed calendar items
Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 08:02:25 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: Since both Lightning and Seamonkey are Mozilla projects I would have hoped they would work together, and that when a new weekly version comes out the Mozilla parts would still play together. Lightning, Thunderbird, and SeaMonkey are Mozilla projects. Lightning has half a developer (or one part time developer - when he's not studying for his exams). Since Lightning is severely limited in resources, Lightning is focusing on Thunderbird compatibility since there are far more TB users using Lightning than SM users using Lightning. In addition several Thunderbird developers are helping out on the Lightning/Thunderbird integration issues. On the SeaMonkey side of things I've been working on: Bug 719031 - [Meta] SeaMonkey issues from Lightning Bug 316916 (Task Quick Filter bar) and bug 709572 (Calendar and Task toolbar). Bug 709616 - Adapt Seamonkey to Lightning tabs on top changes. Bug 719034 - Support CTRL-SHIFT-K as the Lighting Task Quick Filter hotkey. Bug 719050 - Lightning aero #button-delete style makes the SeaMonkey Mail delete button image disappear. Bug 721327 - Implement Tabs Toolbar for Thunderbird and Lightning Compatibility. Bug 721330 - Make Customizing Lightning Toolbars work in SeaMonkey. Bug 731264 - Support with multiple toolboxes in MailNews due to Lighting Calendar and Task Tabs. *However* I'm just one person and I can't do this all by myself. I've other bugs to fix as well. And I'm doing this all unpaid and in my free time. It would be nice if I got a bit more help from people in getting Lightning/SeaMonkey integration problems fixed, and a bit less whinging from arm-chair critics. I'm not unaware of lack of time issues. :-( And I don't know what your priorities are, but ours were always to fix broken things before working on new features, if only for sanity's sake, since the new features need support as well. I haven't looked at the code, I would hope the alerts are kept as a queue in memory, and that not generating alerts for overdue entries and a test in DISMISS code to not try updating read-only calendars would fix it. Having no alerts from the shared calendar is probably an issue in Tbird as well, but perhaps not. Anyway, the bug is closed, I won't bother with it any more, and maybe SM doesn't hang in Windows the way it does in Linux. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Getting password list for backup
George Carden wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: I am doing some work for an agency which has a requirement that they will have a recent copy of all passwords stored on any computer accessing their site. Previously I was able to use an HTML file which did the job, it doesn't work with recent SM versions. [...snip...] I use the technique on this page...Be sure to follow the instructions at the bottom for it to work. http://the-edmeister.com/firefox_info/Firefox_Passwords_Info.html Thanks for the suggestion, will try it. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Getting password list for backup
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 02/04/2012 02:00, Bill Davidsen told the world: I am doing some work for an agency which has a requirement that they will have a recent copy of all passwords stored on any computer accessing their site. Unfortunately I don't have a technical solution for you, but... They are requiring you to surrender ALL passwords that you save on your computer, even ones for totally unrelated purposes/websites/services/banks, just because you *accessed their web site*? That's whack, man! Their computer. Personally, I would go the route of not saving ANY password on the computer. That way, you fulfill their absurd requirement without actually surrendering any password. It's a drag, having to type all passwords by hand, but still better than surrendering your personal passwords to a third party. There are no personal passwords, and I'm not just accessing their web site, I'm doing stuff for them. Using a computer used for nothing else, running Linux, accessing no public anything (the VPN only lets me talk to them). To lessen the drudgery, I would set up a LastPass account to handle all the low-security passwords (forums and such). Since those passwords are stored in the cloud, they should be technically exempt from that requirement too. But I wouldn't trust LastPass with IMPORTANT passwords, like for banking -- but then, I don't save those in Seamonkey either. Hell, I don't even trust Keepass with those, and that's stored in a local file using allegedly high-security encryption. I will keep no other copies of passwords, access codes, or any similar material, except on the encrypted disk. Another possibility is having a copy of Portable Seamonkey/Firefox/Opera/Chrome on a USB drive, and only saving passwords on THAT copy -- again, technically not saved on the computer. For which I could go to prison. I do _not_ try to think about beating the rules. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Reminders from long dismissed calendar items
Daniel wrote: Michael Gordon wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: I'm getting reminders from long dismissed calendar items when I start Seamonkey. Dozens of them, and neither dismiss all or dismiss will remove them from my screen. This started with 2.0.14, and persisted through 2.7.2. I have gone as far as I am willing on try the next version, that will fix it and would like some advice on actually addressing the issue. Unwilling to move to 2.8 until add-on updates are available for stuff I use all the time. Bill, I don't have an answer for your Calendar. You might look into the Calendar development Team and see if they have resolution. I don't blame you one bit for not upgrading to the next version, I had to revert to 2.3.0 to get all my Ad-Ons to function. No more updates until the SM Team fixes all the Ad-Ons that once worked with 2.0. Hacking the install.rdf file only fixed one Ad-On. Michael G Michael, if you brought yourself a new Ford and then brought yourself a Tow Bar which didn't fit your Ford, would it be Fords problem to change the car so the Tow bar fits or should it be up to the manufacturer of the Tow bar to change the Tow bar to fix the car. Same situation here, with SM Council producing a program which others then produce Add-On's that third parties can add to program. Not Councils problem to make sure SM works with Add-On, but *is* Add-On writers duty to make sure that Add-On works, as advertised, with program. IMHO, of course! The issue is that I can't locate where the alerts are saved to clear them. The issue of not going to 2.8 until quote-collapse is working is a separate one, although I had hoped the compatibility add-in would have solved that. Since both Lightning and Seamonkey are Mozilla projects I would have hoped they would work together, and that when a new weekly version comes out the Mozilla parts would still play together. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.8 Graphics (.jpg) display change?
Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-03-31 3:35 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Daniel wrote: David E. Ross wrote: I submitted bug #738948, requesting a user option to use the user-specified background color. It was closed as WontFix without any explaination of why that would be a bad idea. I reopened the bug report to request such an explanation. I don't know how long it will remain open. Seehttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=738948. In the comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html newsgroup, we are frequently reminded that Web pages should not attempt to override how users have configured their browsers. Here, however, we have a case where someone decided to have the browser override how users configure their browsers. This is just plain wrong. Can a Mozilla develeoper please explain why that is not wrong? And, David, the bug was again Resolved Wontfix about 20 min after you re-opened it. It would seem that someone feels that they can't defend the lack of choice *OR* explain why can't/shouldn't be fixed, so they just keep pretending the issue doesn't exist. Bill, that is borderline on a personal attack. If you have question about a change, just ask. Take the time to investigate a change before making any judgment, and most certainly before judging the attitude of individual developers. Closing the bug repeatedly with no explanation of WONTFIX, no assertion that it's not a bug, no explanation of why it would be bad to make it work in a way that doesn't adversely impact users... that seems to justify my conclusion that the developers are unresponsive, and opening the bug twice would seem to justify an explanation. Is there some special channel to just ask other than the BZ entry? I'm sure the OP will use it! For that matter would it have taken more time to post a few sentences on in the bug as to why it won't be fixed than to write a paragraph characterizing it as a personal attack? It's an attack on the whole system, I grant you that, if a user takes the time to report a problem, and then request an explanation, would a few words of clarification be an unreasonable request? I did development for a few decades, and always found it easier to give a few words on why something was done (or not) than to defend my right to be arbitrary. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Reminders from long dismissed calendar items
Bill Davidsen wrote: I'm getting reminders from long dismissed calendar items when I start Seamonkey. Dozens of them, and neither dismiss all or dismiss will remove them from my screen. This started with 2.0.14, and persisted through 2.7.2. I have gone as far as I am willing on try the next version, that will fix it and would like some advice on actually addressing the issue. Unwilling to move to 2.8 until add-on updates are available for stuff I use all the time. *More info:* These reminders are in my Google calendar. So it appears that Lightning is not doing anything useful, when the DISMISS or [DISMISS ALL] options are used, the alerts remain on the screen, and show up every time SM is started. I have filed Bug 741190 (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741190) on this, requesting an option to ignore overdue alerts from read-only calendars. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Filters not usable on newgroups
chicagofan wrote: Paul wrote: PhillipJones wrote: chicagofan wrote: PhillipJones wrote: I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New Servers. One more or less said don't Bother me. The other did remove the messages like the should have. So decided to create filters to mark them read. They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has removed the ability to filter news Groups. When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I don't want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through each group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading the group. To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I want to do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it. Have you tried deleting them? Filters work fine for me in ngs, but I choose to delete them in the filter. bj This is what I get : http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119. I don't know about 2+. At any rate, I have never been able to find or use such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings... at least not easily and possibly not legally. I have always had message filters for Newsgroups, and I think you've misunderstood about how Delete Messages is accomplished. We can't do it in the newsgroups, but we can set our NG message *filters* to delete them, so that we never have to see them. It is so nice. :) bj As of SM 2.7.2 on Linux they seem to work, the posts are just not indexed into the list of available postings in the heading frame. There used to be a way to make an entire thread hidden after it was in the index, but I can't find any info on how that used to work. It was not with a filter, just a mark on the thread that kept it off the screen. Anyway, filters do seem to work for me in ng. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Filters not usable on newgroups
PhillipJones wrote: chicagofan wrote: Paul wrote: PhillipJones wrote: chicagofan wrote: PhillipJones wrote: I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New Servers. One more or less said don't Bother me. The other did remove the messages like the should have. So decided to create filters to mark them read. They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has removed the ability to filter news Groups. When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I don't want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through each group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading the group. To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I want to do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it. Have you tried deleting them? Filters work fine for me in ngs, but I choose to delete them in the filter. bj This is what I get : http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119. I don't know about 2+. At any rate, I have never been able to find or use such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings... at least not easily and possibly not legally. I have always had message filters for Newsgroups, and I think you've misunderstood about how Delete Messages is accomplished. We can't do it in the newsgroups, but we can set our NG message *filters* to delete them, so that we never have to see them. It is so nice. :) bj I'm not interested in deleting I mistyped. I just don't want to read the stuff. SM has a bizarre understanding of delete IMHO. The delete operation (from local availability) seem confused with cancel, or remove from all servers everywhere. And the messge filter DELETE action will do what you want, remove it from your index and header pane. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Incoming and Outgoing Email While Traveling
BIll Spikowski wrote: This week I used two different wi-fi connections each day while on a business trip. On one connection, I had normal full access to the web and to my incoming and outgoing email using Seamonkey. On the other connection, I had full access to the web, but could not access my regular email account either through Seamonkey or through webmail (all other websites operated normally). I've experienced similar email blockages while traveling other places. I doubt it's a Seamonkey problem, but I'm wondering what a workaround might be? Are you using the insecure ports and services, SMTP and POP3, or the secure versions of them? Some IP providers block access to the unsecured port, while other block access to all mail ports and services in the name of SPAM. Did you use webmail with an insecure (http:) URL or a secure (https:) URL, same issue, different blockage. The solution is to run some form of VPN to a host which trusts you and has an unfiltered network access. That becomes a very deep and off-topic subject, so I hesitate to give you a more complete answer here. And people do block VPN ports as well, so even that is no panacea. The fact that other sites worked may also mean that the site where you do mail is just totally blocked, ISPs are not universally subtle, or even _competent_! -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
