Re: SM 2.0a2 issues

[»Q«]

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:26:26 -0500
Ed Mullen  wrote:

> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

> > sorry to say, but I disagree. Icons should be on by default. I've
> > got lots of favicons with no text. I just look at the icon and I
> > know what is about.
> 
> Interesting.  I have never seen any favicons on my Personal Toolbar, 
> only the default SM icons denoting either a folder or an actual link. 
> Also, my comments /only/ pertain to the PTB icons.  I find them 
> superfluous and space-wasting.  YMMV.

I'm with Peter -- I find the text superfluous and space-wasting, so I
just use the icons.  Tooltip text is available on mouseover, anyway.  I
guess I'd feel differently if like you I had no favicons on the toolbar.

I'd think icons + text makes the most sense as a default.  But I don't
suppose it matters much what the default is, as long as it's
configurable.

For Firefox, there's a neat extension which gives a lot of
configurability for this stuff.  I use it so that the text is shows for
folders but not for individual bookmarks.  It also has the option to
hide text for bookmarks with favicons but show text for bookmarks
without favicons.  This kind of finer-grained configurability is
something I think of as a SeaMonkey strength, so maybe somebody wants
to see if the extension has anything useful that could be incorporated.

Smart Bookmarks Bar


The third and fourth screenshots are the configuration dialog.  The
"show bookmark names" on mouseover is a horror, since it makes
everything on the bar jump to the right to make space for the displayed
text on mouseover.

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Re: SM 2.0a2 issues

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On 12/16/2008 10:24 PM, Philip Chee wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:14:27 -0500, Ed Mullen wrote:
> 
>> /* Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */
>> toolbarbutton.bookmark-item > .toolbarbutton-icon {
>>display: none;
>> }
>> /* END Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */
>> 
>> which turns off the icons in the Personal Toolbar which, again, I really 
>> need in order to save space.  Been using this one for a long time too 
>> and it no longer works.  I wonder if the Personal Toolbar's name has 
>> been changed in the code which would account for this.
> 
> When I added the icon size/mode controls I also added to navigator.css:
> 
> /* Prevent [mode="icons"|"text"] from hiding the label and icon */
> #bookmarks-ptf .bookmark-item > .toolbarbutton-text,
> #bookmarks-ptf .bookmark-item > .toolbarbutton-icon {
>   display: -moz-box !important;
>  }
> 
> Phil
> 

Perhaps I'm missing something here, but if you wish to turn off the
Bookmarks icon in the Personal toolbar you can (in about:config) set

browser.toolbars.showbutton.bookmarks

to false - icon is gone.

Basically using 'toolbars.showbutton' in about:config works for me to
turn off/on. Jens even gave me the useful tip on how to get rid of the
pesky (IMO) 'Go Forward' & 'Go Back' buttons in the news window - add:

mail.toolbars.showbutton.goback
and
mail.toolbars.showbutton.goforward

and set then set them to false.

Is this what you folks are talking about, or have I completely missed
the issue?


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Re: SM 2.0a2 issues

[Ed Mullen]

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:39:39 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

It's not a bug in the sense that I copied the Firefox CSS which did:

/* Prevent [mode="icons"|"text"] from hiding the label and icon */
#bookmarks-ptf .bookmark-item> .toolbarbutton-text,
#bookmarks-ptf .bookmark-item> .toolbarbutton-icon {
display: -moz-box !important;
}

I think we should actually hide the icon in test mode at least - not

Sounds reasonable.


sure if it makes sense the other way round (hiding the text in the icon
mode).

Yeah that would cause a lot of confusion, well until we get a
faviconService anyway.


Also not sure about icon size.


Uh? *LARGE* icon size for the bookmark items sounds really really
terrible.


Yeah, I'll say! :-)

I suggest that having Personal Toolbar icons off by default is
preferable. The text hover state adequately shows me if the text is a
single bookmark/link or a folder by the different representations. A
folder is shown as a raised button, a link is underlined. Perfectly
adequate. And not having the superfluous icons saves a ton of space.
There are some images here that demonstrate how I set up my PTB and
how I take advantage of that extra space:

http://edmullen.net/Mozilla/moz_book_org.php



sorry to say, but I disagree. Icons should be on by default. I've got
lots of favicons with no text. I just look at the icon and I know what
is about.



Interesting.  I have never seen any favicons on my Personal Toolbar, 
only the default SM icons denoting either a folder or an actual link. 
Also, my comments /only/ pertain to the PTB icons.  I find them 
superfluous and space-wasting.  YMMV.


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Re: SM 2.0a2 issues

[Ed Mullen]

keith_w wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

[...]


I suggest that having Personal Toolbar icons off by default is
preferable. The text hover state adequately shows me if the text is a
single bookmark/link or a folder by the different representations. A
folder is shown as a raised button, a link is underlined. Perfectly
adequate. And not having the superfluous icons saves a ton of space.
There are some images here that demonstrate how I set up my PTB and
how I take advantage of that extra space:



Thanks for reminding me of that, Ed. I'd forgotten, and I've had both
icons and text for so long, I sort of ignore it!
I do save a lot of space, as you say! I'll get used to it.



Two things:

1.  I modified the userContent.css code to include the "!important" rule 
so it works properly in SM 2.x.
2.  Read the section about "bookmark separators" - it really helps the 
presentation of the PTB items.  There are screen shots.



http://edmullen.net/Mozilla/moz_book_org.php


Good site...


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Re: SM 2.0a2 issues

[Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo]

Ed Mullen wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:39:39 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

It's not a bug in the sense that I copied the Firefox CSS which did:

/* Prevent [mode="icons"|"text"] from hiding the label and icon */
#bookmarks-ptf .bookmark-item>   .toolbarbutton-text,
#bookmarks-ptf .bookmark-item>   .toolbarbutton-icon {
display: -moz-box !important;
}

I think we should actually hide the icon in test mode at least - not

Sounds reasonable.


sure if it makes sense the other way round (hiding the text in the icon
mode).

Yeah that would cause a lot of confusion, well until we get a
faviconService anyway.


Also not sure about icon size.


Uh? *LARGE* icon size for the bookmark items sounds really really 
terrible.


Yeah, I'll say!  :-)

I suggest that having Personal Toolbar icons off by default is 
preferable.  The text hover state adequately shows me if the text is a 
single bookmark/link or a folder by the different representations.  A 
folder is shown as a raised button, a link is underlined.  Perfectly 
adequate.  And not having the superfluous icons saves a ton of space. 
There are some images here that demonstrate how I set up my PTB and how 
I take advantage of that extra space:


http://edmullen.net/Mozilla/moz_book_org.php



sorry to say, but I disagree.  Icons should be on by 
default.  I've got lots of favicons with no text. I 
just look at the icon and I know what is about.


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Re: SM 2.0a2 issues

[Ed Mullen]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Interesting. The only place I could right-click on the Personal Toolbar
to get that particular pop-up menu was the collapse widget at the left
of the toolbar. Anyplace else (other than on an actual bookmark) gives a
different pop-up menu (New Folder, Sort Folder, Sort Folder by Name
etc.).


If you have neither the Home nor the Bookmarks button enabled to be
shown in that bar, then only the "grippy" is where you don't get the
bookmarks but the toolbar context menu, yes.


I tried checking the "Text" option. Nothing happened. I closed and
re-started SM. The check was still there - and so were the icons. So, I
guess this IS a bug, yes? If so I'll file it.


Yes, this is exactly the bug I mean :)

Robert Kaiser


Done.  https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470034

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Re: SM 2.0a2 issues

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Ed Mullen wrote:

[...]

I suggest that having Personal Toolbar icons off by default is 
preferable.  The text hover state adequately shows me if the text is a 
single bookmark/link or a folder by the different representations.  A 
folder is shown as a raised button, a link is underlined.  Perfectly 
adequate.  And not having the superfluous icons saves a ton of space. 
There are some images here that demonstrate how I set up my PTB and how 
I take advantage of that extra space:



Thanks for reminding me of that, Ed. I'd forgotten, and I've had both icons and 
text for so long, I sort of ignore it!

I do save a lot of space, as you say! I'll get used to it.

keith whaley


http://edmullen.net/Mozilla/moz_book_org.php


Good site...




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Re: SM 2.0a2 issues

[Ed Mullen]

Philip Chee wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:39:39 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

It's not a bug in the sense that I copied the Firefox CSS which did:

/* Prevent [mode="icons"|"text"] from hiding the label and icon */
#bookmarks-ptf .bookmark-item>   .toolbarbutton-text,
#bookmarks-ptf .bookmark-item>   .toolbarbutton-icon {
display: -moz-box !important;
}

I think we should actually hide the icon in test mode at least - not

Sounds reasonable.


sure if it makes sense the other way round (hiding the text in the icon
mode).

Yeah that would cause a lot of confusion, well until we get a
faviconService anyway.


Also not sure about icon size.


Uh? *LARGE* icon size for the bookmark items sounds really really terrible.


Yeah, I'll say!  :-)

I suggest that having Personal Toolbar icons off by default is 
preferable.  The text hover state adequately shows me if the text is a 
single bookmark/link or a folder by the different representations.  A 
folder is shown as a raised button, a link is underlined.  Perfectly 
adequate.  And not having the superfluous icons saves a ton of space. 
There are some images here that demonstrate how I set up my PTB and how 
I take advantage of that extra space:


http://edmullen.net/Mozilla/moz_book_org.php

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Re: SM 2.0a2 issues

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On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:39:39 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> Philip Chee wrote:
>> It's not a bug in the sense that I copied the Firefox CSS which did:
>>
>> /* Prevent [mode="icons"|"text"] from hiding the label and icon */
>> #bookmarks-ptf .bookmark-item>  .toolbarbutton-text,
>> #bookmarks-ptf .bookmark-item>  .toolbarbutton-icon {
>>display: -moz-box !important;
>> }
> 
> I think we should actually hide the icon in test mode at least - not 
Sounds reasonable.

> sure if it makes sense the other way round (hiding the text in the icon 
> mode).
Yeah that would cause a lot of confusion, well until we get a
faviconService anyway.

> Also not sure about icon size.

Uh? *LARGE* icon size for the bookmark items sounds really really terrible.

Phil

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Re: SM 2.0a2 issues

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On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:38:02 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> Ed Mullen wrote:
>> Interesting. The only place I could right-click on the Personal Toolbar
>> to get that particular pop-up menu was the collapse widget at the left
>> of the toolbar. Anyplace else (other than on an actual bookmark) gives a
>> different pop-up menu (New Folder, Sort Folder, Sort Folder by Name etc.).
> 
> If you have neither the Home nor the Bookmarks button enabled to be 
> shown in that bar, then only the "grippy" is where you don't get the 
> bookmarks but the toolbar context menu, yes.
> 
>> I tried checking the "Text" option. Nothing happened. I closed and
>> re-started SM. The check was still there - and so were the icons. So, I
>> guess this IS a bug, yes? If so I'll file it.
> 
> Yes, this is exactly the bug I mean :)

It's not a bug! It's a feature! (which I copied from Firefox. OK so
Firefox is full of bugs, that's beside the point).

Phil

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Re: SM 2.0a2 issues

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Philip Chee wrote:

It's not a bug in the sense that I copied the Firefox CSS which did:

/* Prevent [mode="icons"|"text"] from hiding the label and icon */
#bookmarks-ptf .bookmark-item>  .toolbarbutton-text,
#bookmarks-ptf .bookmark-item>  .toolbarbutton-icon {
   display: -moz-box !important;
}


I think we should actually hide the icon in test mode at least - not 
sure if it makes sense the other way round (hiding the text in the icon 
mode). Also not sure about icon size.


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Re: SM 2.0a2 issues

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Ed Mullen wrote:

Interesting. The only place I could right-click on the Personal Toolbar
to get that particular pop-up menu was the collapse widget at the left
of the toolbar. Anyplace else (other than on an actual bookmark) gives a
different pop-up menu (New Folder, Sort Folder, Sort Folder by Name etc.).


If you have neither the Home nor the Bookmarks button enabled to be 
shown in that bar, then only the "grippy" is where you don't get the 
bookmarks but the toolbar context menu, yes.



I tried checking the "Text" option. Nothing happened. I closed and
re-started SM. The check was still there - and so were the icons. So, I
guess this IS a bug, yes? If so I'll file it.


Yes, this is exactly the bug I mean :)

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Re: SM 2.0a2 issues

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:31:59 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> Ed Mullen wrote:
>> 2. In my userChrome.css file is the following:
>>
>> /* Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */
>> toolbarbutton.bookmark-item > .toolbarbutton-icon {
>> display: none;
>> }
>> /* END Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */
>>
>> which turns off the icons in the Personal Toolbar which, again, I really
>> need in order to save space. Been using this one for a long time too and
>> it no longer works. I wonder if the Personal Toolbar's name has been
>> changed in the code which would account for this.
> 
> Could you please file a bug that the personal toolbar doesn't respect 
> the toolbar icon/test mode controls? I think that if you select the 
> personal toolbar to be text-only, the personal toolbar items should 
> follow that.

It's not a bug in the sense that I copied the Firefox CSS which did:

/* Prevent [mode="icons"|"text"] from hiding the label and icon */
#bookmarks-ptf .bookmark-item > .toolbarbutton-text,
#bookmarks-ptf .bookmark-item > .toolbarbutton-icon {
  display: -moz-box !important;
}

***Note: The Personal Toolbar *does* respect the icon size/mode
controls. It's only the *bookmark-items* widget that (currently)
doesn't. Neil did ask me about this but he gave a r+ afterwards.

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Re: SM 2.0a2 issues

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:14:27 -0500, Ed Mullen wrote:

> /* Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */
> toolbarbutton.bookmark-item > .toolbarbutton-icon {
>display: none;
> }
> /* END Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */
> 
> which turns off the icons in the Personal Toolbar which, again, I really 
> need in order to save space.  Been using this one for a long time too 
> and it no longer works.  I wonder if the Personal Toolbar's name has 
> been changed in the code which would account for this.

When I added the icon size/mode controls I also added to navigator.css:

/* Prevent [mode="icons"|"text"] from hiding the label and icon */
#bookmarks-ptf .bookmark-item > .toolbarbutton-text,
#bookmarks-ptf .bookmark-item > .toolbarbutton-icon {
  display: -moz-box !important;
 }

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Re: SM 2.0a2 issues

[Ed Mullen]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

2. In my userChrome.css file is the following:

/* Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */
toolbarbutton.bookmark-item > .toolbarbutton-icon {
display: none;
}
/* END Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */

which turns off the icons in the Personal Toolbar which, again, I
really
need in order to save space. Been using this one for a long time too
and
it no longer works. I wonder if the Personal Toolbar's name has been
changed in the code which would account for this.


Could you please file a bug that the personal toolbar doesn't respect
the toolbar icon/test mode controls? I think that if you select the
personal toolbar to be text-only, the personal toolbar items should
follow that.

Robert Kaiser


See my reply to Stanimir - adding "!important" to my rule fixed it.

Were you referring to: Edit - Preferences - Appearance - "Show toolbars
as" ? I tried setting that to Text Only but that only makes the other
toolbar buttons go away (as I expected), it didn't affect the Personal
Toolbar. If you think this is a bug I'm happy to file a report. However,
it never worked that way before so perhaps it shouldn't change now?


I did refer to right click on the toolbar (outside of the actual
bookmark items, as they have a separate context menu) > Settings for
this toolbar - as that should set the mode for this specific toolbar.
The preference only applies to primary toolbars.

Robert Kaiser


Interesting.  The only place I could right-click on the Personal Toolbar 
to get that particular pop-up menu was the collapse widget at the left 
of the toolbar.  Anyplace else (other than on an actual bookmark) gives 
a different pop-up menu (New Folder, Sort Folder, Sort Folder by Name etc.).


I tried checking the "Text" option.  Nothing happened.  I closed and 
re-started SM.  The check was still there - and so were the icons.  So, 
I guess this IS a bug, yes?  If so I'll file it.


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Re: SM 2.0a2 issues

[Robert Kaiser]

Ed Mullen wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

2. In my userChrome.css file is the following:

/* Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */
toolbarbutton.bookmark-item > .toolbarbutton-icon {
display: none;
}
/* END Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */

which turns off the icons in the Personal Toolbar which, again, I really
need in order to save space. Been using this one for a long time too and
it no longer works. I wonder if the Personal Toolbar's name has been
changed in the code which would account for this.


Could you please file a bug that the personal toolbar doesn't respect
the toolbar icon/test mode controls? I think that if you select the
personal toolbar to be text-only, the personal toolbar items should
follow that.

Robert Kaiser


See my reply to Stanimir - adding "!important" to my rule fixed it.

Were you referring to: Edit - Preferences - Appearance - "Show toolbars
as" ? I tried setting that to Text Only but that only makes the other
toolbar buttons go away (as I expected), it didn't affect the Personal
Toolbar. If you think this is a bug I'm happy to file a report. However,
it never worked that way before so perhaps it shouldn't change now?


I did refer to right click on the toolbar (outside of the actual 
bookmark items, as they have a separate context menu) > Settings for 
this toolbar - as that should set the mode for this specific toolbar. 
The preference only applies to primary toolbars.


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Re: SM 2.0a2 issues

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Robert Kaiser wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

2. In my userChrome.css file is the following:

/* Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */
toolbarbutton.bookmark-item > .toolbarbutton-icon {
display: none;
}
/* END Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */

which turns off the icons in the Personal Toolbar which, again, I really
need in order to save space. Been using this one for a long time too and
it no longer works. I wonder if the Personal Toolbar's name has been
changed in the code which would account for this.


Could you please file a bug that the personal toolbar doesn't respect
the toolbar icon/test mode controls? I think that if you select the
personal toolbar to be text-only, the personal toolbar items should
follow that.

Robert Kaiser


See my reply to Stanimir - adding "!important" to my rule fixed it.

Were you referring to:  Edit - Preferences - Appearance - "Show toolbars 
as" ?  I tried setting that to Text Only but that only makes the other 
toolbar buttons go away (as I expected), it didn't affect the Personal 
Toolbar.  If you think this is a bug I'm happy to file a report. 
However, it never worked that way before so perhaps it shouldn't change now?


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Re: SM 2.0a2 issues

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»Q« wrote:

On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:14:27 -0500
Ed Mullen  wrote:


2.  In my userChrome.css file is the following:

/* Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */
toolbarbutton.bookmark-item>  .toolbarbutton-icon {
display: none;
}
/* END Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */

which turns off the icons in the Personal Toolbar which, again, I
really need in order to save space.  Been using this one for a long
time too and it no longer works.  I wonder if the Personal Toolbar's
name has been changed in the code which would account for this.


Try

hbox#bookmarksBarContent toolbarbutton.bookmark-item .toolbarbutton-icon {
   display: none !important;
   }



Thanks.  The key was adding "!important" to my rule (see my reply to 
Stanimir).


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Re: SM 2.0a2 issues

[Ed Mullen]

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:14:27 -0500, /Ed Mullen/:


Just trying SM 2.0a2 and immediately noticed:

2. In my userChrome.css file is the following:

/* Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */
toolbarbutton.bookmark-item > .toolbarbutton-icon {
display: none;
}
/* END Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */

which turns off the icons in the Personal Toolbar which, again, I
really need in order to save space. Been using this one for a long
time too and it no longer works. I wonder if the Personal Toolbar's
name has been changed in the code which would account for this.


I think you just need the important keyword. As far as I see using the
DOM Inspector there's already another important style rule which affects
the display property, so you surely need to add !important to your
declaration.



You're right:  That took care of it.  Thanks!

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Re: SM 2.0a2 issues

[Robert Kaiser]

Ed Mullen wrote:

2. In my userChrome.css file is the following:

/* Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */
toolbarbutton.bookmark-item > .toolbarbutton-icon {
display: none;
}
/* END Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */

which turns off the icons in the Personal Toolbar which, again, I really
need in order to save space. Been using this one for a long time too and
it no longer works. I wonder if the Personal Toolbar's name has been
changed in the code which would account for this.


Could you please file a bug that the personal toolbar doesn't respect 
the toolbar icon/test mode controls? I think that if you select the 
personal toolbar to be text-only, the personal toolbar items should 
follow that.


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Re: SM 2.0a2 issues

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:14:27 -0500
Ed Mullen  wrote:

> 2.  In my userChrome.css file is the following:
> 
> /* Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */
> toolbarbutton.bookmark-item > .toolbarbutton-icon {
>display: none;
> }
> /* END Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */
> 
> which turns off the icons in the Personal Toolbar which, again, I
> really need in order to save space.  Been using this one for a long
> time too and it no longer works.  I wonder if the Personal Toolbar's
> name has been changed in the code which would account for this.

Try

hbox#bookmarksBarContent toolbarbutton.bookmark-item .toolbarbutton-icon {
  display: none !important;
  }

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Re: SM 2.0a2 issues

[Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo]

Ed Mullen wrote:


2.  In my userChrome.css file is the following:

/* Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */
toolbarbutton.bookmark-item > .toolbarbutton-icon {
  display: none;
}
/* END Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */

which turns off the icons in the Personal Toolbar which, again, I really 
need in order to save space.  Been using this one for a long time too 
and it no longer works.  I wonder if the Personal Toolbar's name has 
been changed in the code which would account for this.


this is one of those "new" things in SM 2.  The entries 
for the personal toolbar has changed.


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Re: SM 2.0a2 issues

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:14:27 -0500, /Ed Mullen/:


Just trying SM 2.0a2 and immediately noticed:

2.  In my userChrome.css file is the following:

/* Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */
toolbarbutton.bookmark-item > .toolbarbutton-icon {
  display: none;
}
/* END Kill bookmark icons in the Personal Toolbar */

which turns off the icons in the Personal Toolbar which, again, I really 
need in order to save space.  Been using this one for a long time too 
and it no longer works.  I wonder if the Personal Toolbar's name has 
been changed in the code which would account for this.


I think you just need the important keyword.  As far as I see using 
the DOM Inspector there's already another important style rule which 
affects the display property, so you surely need to add !important 
to your declaration.


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