Re: [freenet-support] Question

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Czery Swizier writes:
> Anyone can store anything onto the network.
> You do not know what is stored on your particular node since the data is
> encrypted and distributed.

And just as important: Files are encrypted and then split into small
chunks of 32KiB. These chunks cannot be decrypted by themselves. You
need the key for the file (which conveniently is just the link used to
access them).

So what’s on your disk are just small chunks of white noise which are
totally useless without the key. They cannot even be correlated to a
specific link without having the link in the first place.

Essentially your computer acts as part of a distributed caching proxy
server which cannot know what it caches. That’s how "the cloud" *should*
work (but typically does not).

Best wishes,
Arne
-- 
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heißt politisch sein
ohne es zu merken


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Re: [freenet-support] Question

[Czery Swizier]

Anyone can store anything onto the network.
You do not know what is stored on your particular node since the data is
encrypted and distributed.
The entire goal of freenet is to provide storage such that
 - you don't know who inserted files
- you don't know where the files are kept
- if you access a node, you cannot actually discover what files the node is
storing

This gives the ability to deny any wrongdoing!
This is much like how tor relay operators (NOT exit operators) can deny any
responsibility for the content that passes through their nodes.

In regards to your IP address question, people can see your IP since you
need it to connect to *other people* in an opennet at least..
If you don't want strangers to know your IP, you can choose darknet mode
which will only connect you to people you already trust.
If you are using an opennet, people will be able to tell you are using
freenet but as long as you are careful, no one can trace data to and from
you.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Kevin S.  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Im interested in using Freenet, but I have 2 questions.
>
> "Users contribute to the network by giving bandwidth and a portion of
> their hard drive (called the "data store") for storing files. Files are
> automatically kept or deleted depending on how popular they are"
>
> Can you elaborate on this? Does that mean someone can store whatever they
> want on my HDD? How do I know its not something illegal?
>
> Also, when using freenet, how do I know others cant see my real IP? Can
> you describe?
>
> Thank you
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[freenet-support] Question

[Kevin S.]

Hello,

Im interested in using Freenet, but I have 2 questions.

"Users contribute to the network by giving bandwidth and a portion of their
hard drive (called the "data store") for storing files. Files are
automatically kept or deleted depending on how popular they are"

Can you elaborate on this? Does that mean someone can store whatever they
want on my HDD? How do I know its not something illegal?

Also, when using freenet, how do I know others cant see my real IP? Can you
describe?

Thank you
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Re: [freenet-support] Question regarding legal case

[Freenet]

The files where uploaded to a temporary filehost, they should still be
available on Freenet. Seems the pastie.org is still working for me.

Bryce:
> 
>>These two files may be of assistance [0][1], and I believe the developer
>>volunteer by the name of ArneBab on FMS has posted a correction to the
>>math used by LEA in regards to their black ice project [2]. Maybe try
>>contacting them.
>>
>>[0] Clearnet
>>https://transfer.sh/WWpvv/freenet-investigations-white-paper-black-ice-090413-.pdf
> 
>>[1] Clearnet
>>https://transfer.sh/rzP7z/freenet-investigations-ppt.pdf
>>[2] Clearnet
>>http://pastie.org/private/opjj1qtbbhkbkwif5mjhq
> 
> Curious that the clearnet links are all inaccessable!? at least when I
> tried.
> Except [2] but that page links to a page that needs an account to logon.
> 
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Re: [freenet-support] Question regarding legal case

[Bryce]

>These two files may be of assistance [0][1], and I believe the 
developer

>volunteer by the name of ArneBab on FMS has posted a correction to the
>math used by LEA in regards to their black ice project [2]. Maybe try
>contacting them.
>
>[0] Clearnet
>https://transfer.sh/WWpvv/freenet-investigations-white-paper-black-ice-090413-.pdf
>[1] Clearnet
>https://transfer.sh/rzP7z/freenet-investigations-ppt.pdf
>[2] Clearnet
>http://pastie.org/private/opjj1qtbbhkbkwif5mjhq

Curious that the clearnet links are all inaccessable!? at least when I 
tried.

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[freenet-support] Question regarding legal case

[Lance Hathaway]

Thoughts from a lurker:
I believe that it is important for all of us to resist the use of flawed 
statistics, whether it's used to prosecute the innocent or the guilty.I believe 
that it matters how we gather and use evidence.I believe that it is important 
for the means to justify the end result--the ends cannot be used to justify the 
means.
I know this runs the risk of allowing a guilty person to go free. But our 
justice system is built on the principle that it is better to presume 
innocence, rather than guilt. And there is no guilty person in the world who 
can perfectly and completely cover their tracks. Invariably, one can build up 
enough evidence in other ways to make a case, if one exists.
All of that said... I do not believe that we are obligated to help. Obligation 
is a strong word. Some of us here have the knowledge to try and assist. Some of 
us do not (and I'm in the latter category). There are no employees; nobody is 
being paid; everybody is a volunteer. That means any sense of obligation must 
be left to an individual's sense of morality or code of ethics. Which, yes, 
means that sometimes an invalid warrant may pass unquestioned, if only because 
nobody with the knowledge is available to question it. That's life in a 
volunteer organization.

If I had the knowledge, I would step up. Unfortunately, I do not. I will 
support those who do step up, and I will not condemn those who do not.
 -Lance


On Monday, July 25, 2016 12:03 PM, Steve Dougherty  
wrote:


 Hi Hayley,
To make sure it's clear, this is a publicly visible mailing list.
I assume you've seen the news post about flawed surveillance techniques? 
https://freenetproject.org/news.html#20160526-htl18attack It goes over our 
understanding of attacks used by law enforcement and why they appear to be 
heavily fundamentally flawed. If we can help elaborate on parts of it please 
let us know. The attacks we are aware of included information about how far 
away the request probably originated; (Hops To Live - HTL) you didn't mention 
that, and without it the attack is even less accurate than the effectively 
entirely inaccurate thing it already is.
As a non-profit organization running an open source project, we don't currently 
have employees, hence the lack of a phone number. You may be able to find 
someone in the community willing to participate; if this is the case I think 
it is we've been following it with interest for a while now. Could you please 
elaborate on what is involved in reviewing the search warrant, reviewing the 
police report, or being an expert witness? Would this be an attempt to 
invalidate the search and suppress evidence acquired with it?
Now addressing others on the list: I note an ethical dilemma here. It may well 
be that the accused is guilty of the things they are accused of, and 
invalidating this presumably-mistaken search warrant would allow them to go 
free. That said, do we want to resist the application of flawed statistics in 
prosecuting Freenet users? I'm leaning toward probably. Selectively assisting 
in fighting search warrants that seem invalid also seems unethical. Are we 
obligated to help?

- Steve

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016, 2:33 PM Hayley Rosenblum  wrote:

Hello,
I am a law intern at Rosenblum, Schwartz, Rogers, & Glass, P.C. in St. Louis, 
MO. As a criminal defense firm, we have recently been hired for a Possession of 
Child Pornography case. According to the police report , a special investigator 
began running copies of Freenet that had been modified for law enforcement to 
log the IP address, key, and date, and time of requests that were sent to these 
law enforcement Freenet nodes which were then compared to keys of known child 
pornography. The special investigator observed an IP address routing/and or 
requesting suspected child pornography file blocks. The special investigation 
noted that the number and timing of the request was significant enough to 
indicate that the IP address was the apparent original requester of the file.

We have doubts about the legitimacy of this based off some brief research we 
have done on Freeness and how it works. Is there anyone I could contact to 
discuss having a Freenet employee/specialist to review the search warrant and 
police report and/or potentially hire as an expert witness. If so, how much 
would you charge for that?

Any information or further contacts would be great. I didn’t see a phone 
number on the website, so I figured i’d start with an email!

Thank you,

Hayley Rosenblum
Law Intern
Rosenblum, Schwartz, Rogers, & Glass P.C.
rsrglaw.com
hrosenb1 at slu.edu
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Re: [freenet-support] Question regarding legal case

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Hayley Rosenblum:
> Hello,
> I am a law intern at Rosenblum, Schwartz, Rogers, & Glass, P.C. in St.
> Louis, MO. As a criminal defense firm, we have recently been hired for a
> Possession of Child Pornography case. According to the police report , a
> special investigator began running copies of Freenet that had been modified
> for law enforcement to log the IP address, key, and date, and time of
> requests that were sent to these law enforcement Freenet nodes which were
> then compared to keys of known child pornography. The special investigator
> observed an IP address routing/and or requesting suspected child
> pornography file blocks. The special investigation noted that the number
> and timing of the request was significant enough to indicate that the IP
> address was the apparent original requester of the file.

These two files may be of assistance [0][1], and I believe the developer
volunteer by the name of ArneBab on FMS has posted a correction to the
math used by LEA in regards to their black ice project [2]. Maybe try
contacting them.

> 
> We have doubts about the legitimacy of this based off some brief research
> we have done on Freeness and how it works. Is there anyone I could contact
> to discuss having a Freenet employee/specialist to review the search
> warrant and police report and/or potentially hire as an expert witness. If
> so, how much would you charge for that?
> 

Due to Freenet being volunteer run we do not have any employees
currently, you can maybe contact some of the core developers and see if
they will be willing to do the work required to be an expert witness. I
assume most do not live near the court house so they might ask for
accommodations and financial compensation for the time they use not
working their normal jobs. Outside of that I assume you can always
donate to the Freenet project so we can hire an employee who then can be
tasked with helping you.

Clearnet Tor and Freenet links

[0] Clearnet
https://transfer.sh/WWpvv/freenet-investigations-white-paper-black-ice-090413-.pdf

[0] Tor link
http://jxm5d6emw5rknovg.onion/WWpvv/freenet-investigations-white-paper-black-ice-090413-.pdf

[0] Frennet
http://127.0.0.1:/CHK@NNYanp2t1gz12R12bg7Yct-SYOPTYvW2PNwids4vWz4,iqKClogwL6uLAFdxB6uxQQnA2ZNeyJ3hXW2sIJmx9aE,AAMC--8/Freenet%20Investigations%20White%20Paper%20-Black%20Ice%20%20%28090413%29.pdf

[1] Tor Link
http://jxm5d6emw5rknovg.onion/rzP7z/freenet-investigations-ppt.pdf

[1] Clearnet
https://transfer.sh/rzP7z/freenet-investigations-ppt.pdf

[1] Freenet
http://127.0.0.1:/CHK@a~ELucMCX0l9ZsnaT65b3U4wHFnQEAMTJvtNcPBPpi0,zldlhl2CRhOgrK6dQP1dNWtwMlNrchlb6Oc-Kucpc04,AAMC--8/Freenet_Investigations_PPT.pdf

[2] Clearnet
http://pastie.org/private/opjj1qtbbhkbkwif5mjhq

[2] Freenet
http://127.0.0.1:/SSK%40%2DjtTqLLTLaRaqqNx4Jq9Kxw5ejhGDxkeCdlDN9ckH1w%2Cd9Vg7c6m3QnsidlVyEMkxJB5e4XSrx8PZ4ahzY0nwoQ%2CAQACAAE/fms%7C2016%2D04%2D13%7CMessage%2D0?type=text/plain
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Re: [freenet-support] Question regarding legal case

[Eric Tully]

 
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016, at 03:03 PM, Steve Dougherty wrote:
>
> Now addressing others on the list: I note an ethical dilemma here. It
> may well be that the accused is guilty of the things they are accused
> of, and invalidating this presumably-mistaken search warrant would
> allow them to go free. That said, do we want to resist the application
> of flawed statistics in prosecuting Freenet users? I'm leaning toward
> probably. Selectively assisting in fighting search warrants that seem
> invalid also seems unethical. Are we obligated to help?
>
 
 
This is a great ethical question and it's been answered a million times
in courts.
 
There is a reason you hear about bad guys going free on "technicalities"
and it's not that the system is broken or corrupt.  The system is
designed with an important safeguard:   It's better for a HUNDRED guilty
people to go free than for ONE innocent person to go to jail.
 
If the prosecutors are using flawed statistics or a misunderstanding of
Freenet to send GUILTY people to jail,  then there is going to come a
time when they use those same flaws to send an INNOCENT person to jail.
 
If you provide testimony that truthfully describes how Freenet works and
that sets a guilty person free,  that is not your fault.  (Likewise,  if
cops were using Tarot cards or a Magic 8-ball to "prove" people were
guilty, and someone provided the truth about Tarot cards and Magic 8-
ball's, and that causes a guilty person to go free,  consider it a good
thing that the system has been FIXED and good innocent people aren't
wrongly going to jail.)
 
Those "technicalities" that the cops in TV shows seem to hate so much
are carefully designed protections to make sure that the system errs on
the side of protecting the innocent.
 
You will sleep better at night knowing that you told the truth.
Consider the alternative:   If you are ONLY going to provide testimony
in cases where the defendant is innocent,  then you're going to have to
determine who's guilty and innocent.  [And if you can do that, we don't
really need courts anymore, we can all just Ask Steve.]  If you withhold
testimony because the guy is a scumbag and he goes to jail on flawed
statistics, and then you find out years later that he was innocent,  you
are going to feel a lot worse than if you found out that a guilty guy
went free.
 
Just tell the truth about how your software works.  Whatever happens
after that is at least done with everyone's eyes open instead of closed.
 
But fucking charge for it.  $300 an hour seems fair.  FOSS authors have
a right to get paid for their time, knowledge, and expertise.  If a
court needs to understand how your software works,  you already did the
world a favor by WRITING the software,  you're not obligated to ALSO
teach everyone how to use it, teach them how to read code or to teach
them statistics that they should have learned in high school.  Be sure
you get WELL paid for your time.
 
The EFF will back me up on everything I'm saying.  This isn't about
twisting my mustache with an evil laugh because I've figured out how to
get away with being a bad guy.  This is about freedom to use software
to be anonymous - the crypto community has been trying for decades to
get people to understand that good and bad people EACH have uses for
tools like encryption, hammers, guns, and Freenet.  Encryption and
Anonymity doesn't mean your probably guilty.  The Federalist Papers,
for example, were published anonymously and provided the ideas that
eventually grew into the US Constitution.  You are on solid ethical and
moral ground - and in good company - by telling the truth about how
your software works.
 
 
- Eric
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Re: [freenet-support] Question regarding legal case

[Bert Massop]

Op 25 jul. 2016 22:03 schreef "Steve Dougherty" :

> Now addressing others on the list: I note an ethical dilemma here. It may
well be that the accused is guilty of the things they are accused of, and
invalidating this presumably-mistaken search warrant would allow them to go
free. That said, do we want to resist the application of flawed statistics
in prosecuting Freenet users? I'm leaning toward probably. Selectively
assisting in fighting search warrants that seem invalid also seems
unethical. Are we obligated to help?
>

I do think that at least morally, we are obligated to help in reviewing the
technical legitimacy of relevant evidence against a user of Freenet.

For myself I'd rather ignore what the bigger picture is in this case, but
focus on the technicalities instead (such as possibly a case of a law
enforcement agency misusing statistics on Freenet against one of the
software's users).

>From what I read from Hayley's message, this is exactly what has been
requested so far.

I am willing to assist any other volunteer in reviewing said
technicalities, but I would not feel comfortable doing that on my own (for
I am just another volunteer who does not necessarily know about every
single aspect of Freenet).

>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016, 2:33 PM Hayley Rosenblum  wrote:
>> We have doubts about the legitimacy of this based off some brief
research we have done on Freeness and how it works. Is there anyone I could
contact to discuss having a Freenet employee/specialist to review the
search warrant and police report and/or potentially hire as an expert
witness. If so, how much would you charge for that?
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Re: [freenet-support] Question regarding legal case

[Steve Dougherty]

Hi Hayley,

To make sure it's clear, this is a publicly visible mailing list.

I assume you've seen the news post about flawed surveillance techniques?
https://freenetproject.org/news.html#20160526-htl18attack It goes over our
understanding of attacks used by law enforcement and why they appear to be
heavily fundamentally flawed. If we can help elaborate on parts of it
please let us know. The attacks we are aware of included information about
how far away the request probably originated; (Hops To Live - HTL) you
didn't mention that, and without it the attack is even less accurate than
the effectively entirely inaccurate thing it already is.

As a non-profit organization running an open source project, we don't
currently have employees, hence the lack of a phone number. You may be able
to find someone in the community willing to participate; if this is the
case I think it is we've been following it with interest for a while now.
Could you please elaborate on what is involved in reviewing the search
warrant, reviewing the police report, or being an expert witness? Would
this be an attempt to invalidate the search and suppress evidence acquired
with it?

Now addressing others on the list: I note an ethical dilemma here. It may
well be that the accused is guilty of the things they are accused of, and
invalidating this presumably-mistaken search warrant would allow them to go
free. That said, do we want to resist the application of flawed statistics
in prosecuting Freenet users? I'm leaning toward probably. Selectively
assisting in fighting search warrants that seem invalid also seems
unethical. Are we obligated to help?

- Steve

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016, 2:33 PM Hayley Rosenblum  wrote:

> Hello,
> I am a law intern at Rosenblum, Schwartz, Rogers, & Glass, P.C. in St.
> Louis, MO. As a criminal defense firm, we have recently been hired for a
> Possession of Child Pornography case. According to the police report , a
> special investigator began running copies of Freenet that had been modified
> for law enforcement to log the IP address, key, and date, and time of
> requests that were sent to these law enforcement Freenet nodes which were
> then compared to keys of known child pornography. The special investigator
> observed an IP address routing/and or requesting suspected child
> pornography file blocks. The special investigation noted that the number
> and timing of the request was significant enough to indicate that the IP
> address was the apparent original requester of the file.
>
> We have doubts about the legitimacy of this based off some brief research
> we have done on Freeness and how it works. Is there anyone I could contact
> to discuss having a Freenet employee/specialist to review the search
> warrant and police report and/or potentially hire as an expert witness. If
> so, how much would you charge for that?
>
> Any information or further contacts would be great. I didn’t see a phone
> number on the website, so I figured i’d start with an email!
>
> Thank you,
>
> Hayley Rosenblum
> Law Intern
> Rosenblum, Schwartz, Rogers, & Glass P.C.
> rsrglaw.com
> hrose...@slu.edu
> office: 314-862-4332
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[freenet-support] Question about handling churn in FreeNet

[Nawfal Abbassi Saber]

Hi FreeNet,

I'm doing a research about peer to peer file storage systems and i would
like to know if the system FreeNet has some mechanisms to deal with churn.

Cordially

Nawfal.
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Re: [freenet-support] Question about handling churn in FreeNet

[Bert Massop]

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Nawfal Abbassi Saber
 wrote:
> Hi FreeNet,
>
> I'm doing a research about peer to peer file storage systems and i would
> like to know if the system FreeNet has some mechanisms to deal with churn.
>

Short answer: yes, Freenet has mechanisms to deal with network churn


I suppose you'd also like to learn something about those mechanism, so
let me introduce you to the basic concepts.

Most files on Freenet are stored with several layers of redundancy.
1. On the lowest level, for large files, Freenet uses segmentation
with forward error correction to keep entire files available when some
of their segments are unavailable on the network.
2. Freenet nodes store newly inserted data they consider to match
their own location closely enough, so a single segment may end up
stored on multiple nodes.
3. When a segment is retrieved, it will be cached by most of the nodes
that relay the data to the requester.
4. After a large file is retrieved, some if its non-retrievable
segments may with probability be recalculated and re-inserted by the
requester, further restoring the reliability of the file.

As for request routing, Freenet maintains a small-world network
topology that allows for efficient routing. This topology can be
maintained even under the presence of network churn. How this works
depends on the particular mode of operation of Freenet, e.g. opennet
vs. darknet, but it boils down to path folding and location swapping
strategies.

For more information, especially on the ongoing work of maintaining
the network topology, please refer to the literature presented on the
Freenet website [0].

Kind regards,
Bert

[0]: https://freenetproject.org/about.html#papers
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Re: [freenet-support] Question about freenet DHT

[Matthew Toseland]

On Thursday 10 Feb 2011 12:42:25 Volodya wrote:
 On 02/10/2011 01:19 PM, Thomas Anderson wrote:
  I am very new to freenet. I read wiki[1] and some doc saying that
  freenet implements dht protocol.
 
  I am going to learn something about dht based on freenet, so I have a
  few questions.
 
  1st, is it possible for a node (supposed it is located in a data
  center) querying to know if other nodes contain a specific data/ doc
  (maybe search by e.g. file name)? So the node who issues the query
  can, for instance, do a simple counting, such as how many nodes
  currently holds the filename called license.txt.
 
  2nd, what would the right place (in source code) to start checking the
  dht related stuff? I check out the source code but do not find dht
  related comment or function. Also, freenet wiki search returns `no
  matches for dht'.
 
  I appreciate any advice.
  Thank you.
 
 
  [1]. Wikipedia.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table#DHT_protocols_and_implementations
 
 That's not how Freenet works. Everything that is inserted in the global
 datastore is first encrypted and error correction is added, it also splits
 everything into 32K pieces each of which is inserted separately.
 
 Therefore it is impossible to search Freenet proper for DHT hash of the 
 specific
 file. Because you only have pieces which are encrypted, and you don't know 
 what
 they mean until you have enough of them and you have also the decryption key.
 
 Now if you do possess the decryption key, you could, on the Opennet, start
 connecting to people's nodes one at the time and send them requests for pieces
 that you know comprise that file.
 
 There's much more, maybe others will help you also.

Right. Freenet is DHT-like but it's not a classic DHT. It's sort of vaguely a 
heuristic DHT. :) It also distributes files for swarming and redundancy, as 
VolodyA explained, and no, it doesn't provide a definitive this key must be on 
this node (although there are nodes where it should be stored), nor does it 
provide a probing operation that doesn't transfer the key.


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[freenet-support] Question about freenet DHT

[Thomas Anderson]

I am very new to freenet. I read wiki[1] and some doc saying that
freenet implements dht protocol.

I am going to learn something about dht based on freenet, so I have a
few questions.

1st, is it possible for a node (supposed it is located in a data
center) querying to know if other nodes contain a specific data/ doc
(maybe search by e.g. file name)? So the node who issues the query
can, for instance, do a simple counting, such as how many nodes
currently holds the filename called license.txt.

2nd, what would the right place (in source code) to start checking the
dht related stuff? I check out the source code but do not find dht
related comment or function. Also, freenet wiki search returns `no
matches for dht'.

I appreciate any advice.
Thank you.


[1]. Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table#DHT_protocols_and_implementations
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Re: [freenet-support] Question about freenet DHT

[Volodya]

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On 02/10/2011 01:19 PM, Thomas Anderson wrote:
 I am very new to freenet. I read wiki[1] and some doc saying that
 freenet implements dht protocol.
 
 I am going to learn something about dht based on freenet, so I have a
 few questions.
 
 1st, is it possible for a node (supposed it is located in a data
 center) querying to know if other nodes contain a specific data/ doc
 (maybe search by e.g. file name)? So the node who issues the query
 can, for instance, do a simple counting, such as how many nodes
 currently holds the filename called license.txt.
 
 2nd, what would the right place (in source code) to start checking the
 dht related stuff? I check out the source code but do not find dht
 related comment or function. Also, freenet wiki search returns `no
 matches for dht'.
 
 I appreciate any advice.
 Thank you.
 
 
 [1]. Wikipedia.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table#DHT_protocols_and_implementations

That's not how Freenet works. Everything that is inserted in the global
datastore is first encrypted and error correction is added, it also splits
everything into 32K pieces each of which is inserted separately.

Therefore it is impossible to search Freenet proper for DHT hash of the specific
file. Because you only have pieces which are encrypted, and you don't know what
they mean until you have enough of them and you have also the decryption key.

Now if you do possess the decryption key, you could, on the Opennet, start
connecting to people's nodes one at the time and send them requests for pieces
that you know comprise that file.

There's much more, maybe others will help you also.

 - volodya

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[freenet-support] Question on Wireshark

[Jep]

Wireshark, formerly Ethereal, needs a startup thingy to capture live 
network data: WinPcap.
Since my windows is restarted only once a week, I'm reluctant to add 
such things. So I'm asking about the experience of someone who has both 
FN and this app installed.


Will Wireshark somehow interfere with Freenet?

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[freenet-support] Question

[David Cabanillas]

Hello,



Related to The Free Network Project Summer Projects 2009 I have send two
proposals to
devl-boun...@freenetproject.org but I don't know that could be benefit or
not to
send these proposals into the Feedback Forum.


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[freenet-support] Question

[David Cabanillas]

Hello,



Related to "The Free Network Project Summer Projects 2009" I have send two
proposals to
devl-bounces at freenetproject.org but I don't know that could be benefit or
not to
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[freenet-support] Question About Anonymity

[Volodya]

> I hope this is the right forum to do this on but I'm trying to see what 
> freenet offers in the way of privacy/anonymity.  I've been exploring Tor 
> for sometime which seems to have an incredible system of security via 
> the circuit.  The only 2 vulnerabilities that I see being: bad exit 
> nodes that try to scam off insecure packets; a group owning several 
> nodes in a circuit that can figure out who is requesting what.

There are no 'exit nodes' like in Tor or I2P, Freenet is self-containing 
network. The latter concern is known but there are people more knowledgeable, 
who should explain what is done with that.

> That said, I'm trying to see what freenet is and is not in comparison.  
> As far as I can see, it provides anonymity in retrieving content because 
> of the use of the storage space on the computer.  Posting freesites 
> would also seem somewhat anonymous but a little bird in my ear brings 
> back memories of forces such as the RIAA being able to tell which 
> computer originated a mp3 and thus I wonder if the same would be for 
> freesites. 

Freenet is not only anonymous, it's also censorship resistant. This means that 
if you were to publish a freesite, it could not be taken down (even by 
yourself).

Also Freesites are somewhat better than eepsites or .onion sites, since 
correlation attacks are much harder.
You should inspect html that you insert before inserting it, as some website 
creation software helps you out by adding useful things like comments of the 
name of the creator, etc.

> In uploading and downloading a freesite, there appears to be a key 
> encryptor and a key reader (similar to PGP).  What kind of methodology 
> do we use to get these keys (i.e. SHA1, MD5, PGP etc)?  Mainly, I want 
> to be aware of these methodologies as things such as MD5 are later 
> exposed to have a weaknesses that appears through the progress of time.
>  
> Lastly, some more general questions that I have about freesites and the 
> overall setup of freenet.
>  
> I read that a freesite can't have javascript.  Is the javascript 
> stripped out upon upload or how is this done?

It is stripped out by freenet before presenting the page in the browser. If for 
some reason you need to see the html as it appears before that you can append 
?type=text/plain at the end of the url, that works because FProxy does nothing 
to the plain text document.

> I currently have 0 trusted people so I'm therefore testing freenet more 
> as an open-net (?).  How is this insecure?  This may go back to one of 
> my previous questions on anonymity.

This makes it easier for a powerful enough attacker to connect to you. This 
also 
exposes you to the world as somebody who uses Freenet (even if they will have 
much harder time figuring out why).

> In a darknet, do the nodes actually know who is posting the content 
> (i.e. obviously they were added but I'm talking about the computer) or 
> is that somehow encrypted (i.e. they are only able to read things 
> encrypted by a particular key.  So if I have 5 keys for 5 different 
> freesites, people can only read the freesites that they have a key for)? 

Each key has 2 parts, separated by comma, routing part is what your node uses 
to 
request the content from its neighbours, and decryption part for actually then 
reading the content, when you simply pass on the request from one of your peers 
to another you do not know the decryption key. Thus somebody has to already 
know 
what the content is in order to decrypt it.

There are KSK keys where the name of the file is the decryption key.

> Sorry if these are stupid questions covered somewhere but I'm just 
> trying to get specific questions answered.  I'm sure I'll have more.  LOL
>  
> Thanks,
> Chris

If you have Freenet actually running, you might want to set up FMS and ask on 
'freenet' board. There will be more people replying there.

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[freenet-support] Question About Anonymity

[Chris Burge]

I hope this is the right forum to do this on but I'm trying to see what
freenet offers in the way of privacy/anonymity.  I've been exploring Tor for
sometime which seems to have an incredible system of security via the
circuit.  The only 2 vulnerabilities that I see being: bad exit nodes that
try to scam off insecure packets; a group owning several nodes in a circuit
that can figure out who is requesting what.

That said, I'm trying to see what freenet is and is not in comparison.  As
far as I can see, it provides anonymity in retrieving content because of the
use of the storage space on the computer.  Posting freesites would also seem
somewhat anonymous but a little bird in my ear brings back memories of
forces such as the RIAA being able to tell which computer originated a mp3
and thus I wonder if the same would be for freesites.

In uploading and downloading a freesite, there appears to be a key encryptor
and a key reader (similar to PGP).  What kind of methodology do we use to
get these keys (i.e. SHA1, MD5, PGP etc)?  Mainly, I want to be aware of
these methodologies as things such as MD5 are later exposed to have a
weaknesses that appears through the progress of time.

Lastly, some more general questions that I have about freesites and the
overall setup of freenet.

I read that a freesite can't have javascript.  Is the javascript stripped
out upon upload or how is this done?

I currently have 0 trusted people so I'm therefore testing freenet more as
an open-net (?).  How is this insecure?  This may go back to one of my
previous questions on anonymity.

In a darknet, do the nodes actually know who is posting the content (i.e.
obviously they were added but I'm talking about the computer) or is that
somehow encrypted (i.e. they are only able to read things encrypted by a
particular key.  So if I have 5 keys for 5 different freesites, people can
only read the freesites that they have a key for)?

Sorry if these are stupid questions covered somewhere but I'm just trying to
get specific questions answered.  I'm sure I'll have more.  LOL

Thanks,
Chris
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[freenet-support] Question About Anonymity

[Chris Burge]

I hope this is the right forum to do this on but I'm trying to see what
freenet offers in the way of privacy/anonymity.  I've been exploring Tor for
sometime which seems to have an incredible system of security via the
circuit.  The only 2 vulnerabilities that I see being: bad exit nodes that
try to scam off insecure packets; a group owning several nodes in a circuit
that can figure out who is requesting what.

That said, I'm trying to see what freenet is and is not in comparison.  As
far as I can see, it provides anonymity in retrieving content because of the
use of the storage space on the computer.  Posting freesites would also seem
somewhat anonymous but a little bird in my ear brings back memories of
forces such as the RIAA being able to tell which computer originated a mp3
and thus I wonder if the same would be for freesites.

In uploading and downloading a freesite, there appears to be a key encryptor
and a key reader (similar to PGP).  What kind of methodology do we use to
get these keys (i.e. SHA1, MD5, PGP etc)?  Mainly, I want to be aware of
these methodologies as things such as MD5 are later exposed to have a
weaknesses that appears through the progress of time.

Lastly, some more general questions that I have about freesites and the
overall setup of freenet.

I read that a freesite can't have javascript.  Is the javascript stripped
out upon upload or how is this done?

I currently have 0 trusted people so I'm therefore testing freenet more as
an open-net (?).  How is this insecure?  This may go back to one of my
previous questions on anonymity.

In a darknet, do the nodes actually know who is posting the content (i.e.
obviously they were added but I'm talking about the computer) or is that
somehow encrypted (i.e. they are only able to read things encrypted by a
particular key.  So if I have 5 keys for 5 different freesites, people can
only read the freesites that they have a key for)?

Sorry if these are stupid questions covered somewhere but I'm just trying to
get specific questions answered.  I'm sure I'll have more.  LOL

Thanks,
Chris
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Re: [freenet-support] Question About Anonymity

[Volodya]

 I hope this is the right forum to do this on but I'm trying to see what 
 freenet offers in the way of privacy/anonymity.  I've been exploring Tor 
 for sometime which seems to have an incredible system of security via 
 the circuit.  The only 2 vulnerabilities that I see being: bad exit 
 nodes that try to scam off insecure packets; a group owning several 
 nodes in a circuit that can figure out who is requesting what.

There are no 'exit nodes' like in Tor or I2P, Freenet is self-containing 
network. The latter concern is known but there are people more knowledgeable, 
who should explain what is done with that.

 That said, I'm trying to see what freenet is and is not in comparison.  
 As far as I can see, it provides anonymity in retrieving content because 
 of the use of the storage space on the computer.  Posting freesites 
 would also seem somewhat anonymous but a little bird in my ear brings 
 back memories of forces such as the RIAA being able to tell which 
 computer originated a mp3 and thus I wonder if the same would be for 
 freesites. 

Freenet is not only anonymous, it's also censorship resistant. This means that 
if you were to publish a freesite, it could not be taken down (even by 
yourself).

Also Freesites are somewhat better than eepsites or .onion sites, since 
correlation attacks are much harder.
You should inspect html that you insert before inserting it, as some website 
creation software helps you out by adding useful things like comments of the 
name of the creator, etc.

 In uploading and downloading a freesite, there appears to be a key 
 encryptor and a key reader (similar to PGP).  What kind of methodology 
 do we use to get these keys (i.e. SHA1, MD5, PGP etc)?  Mainly, I want 
 to be aware of these methodologies as things such as MD5 are later 
 exposed to have a weaknesses that appears through the progress of time.
  
 Lastly, some more general questions that I have about freesites and the 
 overall setup of freenet.
  
 I read that a freesite can't have javascript.  Is the javascript 
 stripped out upon upload or how is this done?

It is stripped out by freenet before presenting the page in the browser. If for 
some reason you need to see the html as it appears before that you can append 
?type=text/plain at the end of the url, that works because FProxy does nothing 
to the plain text document.

 I currently have 0 trusted people so I'm therefore testing freenet more 
 as an open-net (?).  How is this insecure?  This may go back to one of 
 my previous questions on anonymity.

This makes it easier for a powerful enough attacker to connect to you. This 
also 
exposes you to the world as somebody who uses Freenet (even if they will have 
much harder time figuring out why).

 In a darknet, do the nodes actually know who is posting the content 
 (i.e. obviously they were added but I'm talking about the computer) or 
 is that somehow encrypted (i.e. they are only able to read things 
 encrypted by a particular key.  So if I have 5 keys for 5 different 
 freesites, people can only read the freesites that they have a key for)? 

Each key has 2 parts, separated by comma, routing part is what your node uses 
to 
request the content from its neighbours, and decryption part for actually then 
reading the content, when you simply pass on the request from one of your peers 
to another you do not know the decryption key. Thus somebody has to already 
know 
what the content is in order to decrypt it.

There are KSK keys where the name of the file is the decryption key.

 Sorry if these are stupid questions covered somewhere but I'm just 
 trying to get specific questions answered.  I'm sure I'll have more.  LOL
  
 Thanks,
 Chris

If you have Freenet actually running, you might want to set up FMS and ask on 
'freenet' board. There will be more people replying there.

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Re: [freenet-support] Question.7

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On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 05:48:37PM -0400, Juiceman wrote:
 Wasn't there an idea to have a separate encrypted user store with a
 key that is only in ram?  When a person turns off their node or
 computer the user store is essentially unreadable and would be erased
 on next start-up?  Locally requested content would only be kept there.

Sure. This will help. We might support HTL 0 requests/inserts but have
them only go to the client cache. Or we might overload it so that that
was HTL=3D-1, and HTL=3D0 goes to the client cache and then the store, but
is not routed.

I was under the impression, that *every* answer to a request initiated by the 
node would be stored in the client cache with a one-time-memory-only-key. 
Other passing DataFounds would be stored as usual in the normal data store.

Who's wrong here?


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[freenet-support] Question.7

[Matthew Toseland]

On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 05:48:37PM -0400, Juiceman wrote:
> Wasn't there an idea to have a separate encrypted user store with a
> key that is only in ram?  When a person turns off their node or
> computer the user store is essentially unreadable and would be erased
> on next start-up?  Locally requested content would only be kept there.

Sure. This will help. We might support HTL 0 requests/inserts but have
them only go to the client cache. Or we might overload it so that that
was HTL=-1, and HTL=0 goes to the client cache and then the store, but
is not routed.
> 
> On 9/22/05, Matthew Toseland  wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 10:39:33PM +0100, Volodya Mozhenkov wrote:
> > > Matthew Toseland wrote:
> > > >That's not the point. We already intend to make HTL=0 attacks
> > > >infeasible, and they go well beyond datastore probing (think social
> > > >engineering with NIM forms, Frost posts; put a different KSK/SSK on each
> > > >node).
> > > >
> > > >The point is, you can still time it, and there's no real way to beat
> > > >timing attacks in this area.
> > >
> > > I'm getting lost once again. First i don't understand why that is not the
> > > point, since if you simply not cache the data if it was requested locally,
> > > then if it somehow can be proven that your node has requested the block,
> > > and it is not in the datastore, then you were the requester; that
> > > compromises anonymity, not increases it. Second, i don't see what you have
> > > meant by the social engineering with nim/frost.
> >
> > If they bust your node and get your store, or even if they can probe it,
> > then they can prove what you've been downloading, with some degree of
> > confidence (because you have *all of it*). This is the Register attack.
> > This is what not caching locally requested files is working against.
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[freenet-support] Question.7

[Volodya Mozhenkov]

Matthew Toseland wrote:
> That's not the point. We already intend to make HTL=0 attacks
> infeasible, and they go well beyond datastore probing (think social
> engineering with NIM forms, Frost posts; put a different KSK/SSK on each
> node).
> 
> The point is, you can still time it, and there's no real way to beat
> timing attacks in this area.

I'm getting lost once again. First i don't understand why that is not the 
point, since if 
you simply not cache the data if it was requested locally, then if it somehow 
can be 
proven that your node has requested the block, and it is not in the datastore, 
then you 
were the requester; that compromises anonymity, not increases it. Second, i 
don't see what 
you have meant by the social engineering with nim/frost.

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[freenet-support] Question.7

[Volodya Mozhenkov]

Matthew Toseland wrote:
> No, but it might not cache it in the first place if it's the result of a
> local request. This is to beat the Register attack. Unfortunately it
> means that you are highly vulnerable to your immediate neighbours. It is
> possible to increase the effort needed to break your anonymity somewhat
> at the cost of performance.
> 
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 10:16:02AM +0100, Volodya Mozhenkov wrote:
> 
>>I have heard somewhere that in the 0.7 your node might chose not to give a 
>>block that it has, in order to protect the anonymity. Is that true? If so 
>>will that also apply at HTL=0?

Well, not necessarily. Here is one way to approach the problem:

1. Increase the probability of a forced decreace of HTL in the range of 15-25.
2. Keep it the same for 5-14
3. Actually have a larger chance of increase of HTL between 1-5.

Pseudocode:

If DATAINLOCALSTORE Then Return DATA

If HTL > 25 Then HTL = 25

If HTL <=25 AND HTL >=15 Then
If RANDOMNUMBER > 0.9 Then HTL = HTL-2
Elseif RANDOMNUMBER > 0.7 Then HTL = HTL-1
End If

If HTL <=1 AND HTL <=5 Then
If RANDOMNUMBER > 0.9 Then HTL = HTL+2
Elseif RANDOMNUMBER > 0.7 Then HTL = HTL+1
End If

Return GETDATA(HTL-1)

:End Pseudocode

As far as i understand it such thing already exists, i'm just saying that if 
you play 
around with numbers you make HTL=1 attack useless (since there is 30% chance 
that the 
request was passed to another node, and about 15% chance that it was passed to 
more than 
one). Of course if you make the numbers too large you risk requests going on 
forever (or 
nearly so).

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[freenet-support] Question.7

[Volodya Mozhenkov]

I have heard somewhere that in the 0.7 your node might chose not to give a 
block that it 
has, in order to protect the anonymity. Is that true? If so will that also 
apply at HTL=0?

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Re: [freenet-support] Question.7

[Matthew Toseland]

No, but it might not cache it in the first place if it's the result of a
local request. This is to beat the Register attack. Unfortunately it
means that you are highly vulnerable to your immediate neighbours. It is
possible to increase the effort needed to break your anonymity somewhat
at the cost of performance.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 10:16:02AM +0100, Volodya Mozhenkov wrote:
 I have heard somewhere that in the 0.7 your node might chose not to give a 
 block that it has, in order to protect the anonymity. Is that true? If so 
 will that also apply at HTL=0?
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Re: [freenet-support] Question.7

[Volodya Mozhenkov]

Matthew Toseland wrote:

No, but it might not cache it in the first place if it's the result of a
local request. This is to beat the Register attack. Unfortunately it
means that you are highly vulnerable to your immediate neighbours. It is
possible to increase the effort needed to break your anonymity somewhat
at the cost of performance.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 10:16:02AM +0100, Volodya Mozhenkov wrote:

I have heard somewhere that in the 0.7 your node might chose not to give a 
block that it has, in order to protect the anonymity. Is that true? If so 
will that also apply at HTL=0?


Well, not necessarily. Here is one way to approach the problem:

1. Increase the probability of a forced decreace of HTL in the range of 15-25.
2. Keep it the same for 5-14
3. Actually have a larger chance of increase of HTL between 1-5.

Pseudocode:

If DATAINLOCALSTORE Then Return DATA

If HTL  25 Then HTL = 25

If HTL =25 AND HTL =15 Then
If RANDOMNUMBER  0.9 Then HTL = HTL-2
Elseif RANDOMNUMBER  0.7 Then HTL = HTL-1
End If

If HTL =1 AND HTL =5 Then
If RANDOMNUMBER  0.9 Then HTL = HTL+2
Elseif RANDOMNUMBER  0.7 Then HTL = HTL+1
End If

Return GETDATA(HTL-1)

:End Pseudocode

As far as i understand it such thing already exists, i'm just saying that if you play 
around with numbers you make HTL=1 attack useless (since there is 30% chance that the 
request was passed to another node, and about 15% chance that it was passed to more than 
one). Of course if you make the numbers too large you risk requests going on forever (or 
nearly so).


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Re: [freenet-support] Question.7

[Matthew Toseland]

That's not the point. We already intend to make HTL=0 attacks
infeasible, and they go well beyond datastore probing (think social
engineering with NIM forms, Frost posts; put a different KSK/SSK on each
node).

The point is, you can still time it, and there's no real way to beat
timing attacks in this area.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 01:38:10PM +0100, Volodya Mozhenkov wrote:
 Matthew Toseland wrote:
 No, but it might not cache it in the first place if it's the result of a
 local request. This is to beat the Register attack. Unfortunately it
 means that you are highly vulnerable to your immediate neighbours. It is
 possible to increase the effort needed to break your anonymity somewhat
 at the cost of performance.
 
 On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 10:16:02AM +0100, Volodya Mozhenkov wrote:
 
 I have heard somewhere that in the 0.7 your node might chose not to give 
 a block that it has, in order to protect the anonymity. Is that true? If 
 so will that also apply at HTL=0?
 
 Well, not necessarily. Here is one way to approach the problem:
 
 1. Increase the probability of a forced decreace of HTL in the range of 
 15-25.
 2. Keep it the same for 5-14
 3. Actually have a larger chance of increase of HTL between 1-5.
 
 Pseudocode:
 
 If DATAINLOCALSTORE Then Return DATA
 
 If HTL  25 Then HTL = 25
 
 If HTL =25 AND HTL =15 Then
   If RANDOMNUMBER  0.9 Then HTL = HTL-2
   Elseif RANDOMNUMBER  0.7 Then HTL = HTL-1
 End If
 
 If HTL =1 AND HTL =5 Then
   If RANDOMNUMBER  0.9 Then HTL = HTL+2
   Elseif RANDOMNUMBER  0.7 Then HTL = HTL+1
 End If
 
 Return GETDATA(HTL-1)
 
 :End Pseudocode
 
 As far as i understand it such thing already exists, i'm just saying that 
 if you play around with numbers you make HTL=1 attack useless (since there 
 is 30% chance that the request was passed to another node, and about 15% 
 chance that it was passed to more than one). Of course if you make the 
 numbers too large you risk requests going on forever (or nearly so).
 
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Re: [freenet-support] Question.7

[Matthew Toseland]

On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 10:39:33PM +0100, Volodya Mozhenkov wrote:
 Matthew Toseland wrote:
 That's not the point. We already intend to make HTL=0 attacks
 infeasible, and they go well beyond datastore probing (think social
 engineering with NIM forms, Frost posts; put a different KSK/SSK on each
 node).
 
 The point is, you can still time it, and there's no real way to beat
 timing attacks in this area.
 
 I'm getting lost once again. First i don't understand why that is not the 
 point, since if you simply not cache the data if it was requested locally, 
 then if it somehow can be proven that your node has requested the block, 
 and it is not in the datastore, then you were the requester; that 
 compromises anonymity, not increases it. Second, i don't see what you have 
 meant by the social engineering with nim/frost.

If they bust your node and get your store, or even if they can probe it,
then they can prove what you've been downloading, with some degree of
confidence (because you have *all of it*). This is the Register attack.
This is what not caching locally requested files is working against.
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Re: [freenet-support] Question.7

[Juiceman]

Wasn't there an idea to have a separate encrypted user store with a
key that is only in ram?  When a person turns off their node or
computer the user store is essentially unreadable and would be erased
on next start-up?  Locally requested content would only be kept there.

On 9/22/05, Matthew Toseland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 10:39:33PM +0100, Volodya Mozhenkov wrote:
  Matthew Toseland wrote:
  That's not the point. We already intend to make HTL=0 attacks
  infeasible, and they go well beyond datastore probing (think social
  engineering with NIM forms, Frost posts; put a different KSK/SSK on each
  node).
  
  The point is, you can still time it, and there's no real way to beat
  timing attacks in this area.
 
  I'm getting lost once again. First i don't understand why that is not the
  point, since if you simply not cache the data if it was requested locally,
  then if it somehow can be proven that your node has requested the block,
  and it is not in the datastore, then you were the requester; that
  compromises anonymity, not increases it. Second, i don't see what you have
  meant by the social engineering with nim/frost.

 If they bust your node and get your store, or even if they can probe it,
 then they can prove what you've been downloading, with some degree of
 confidence (because you have *all of it*). This is the Register attack.
 This is what not caching locally requested files is working against.
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Re: [freenet-support] Question.7

[Matthew Toseland]

On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 05:48:37PM -0400, Juiceman wrote:
 Wasn't there an idea to have a separate encrypted user store with a
 key that is only in ram?  When a person turns off their node or
 computer the user store is essentially unreadable and would be erased
 on next start-up?  Locally requested content would only be kept there.

Sure. This will help. We might support HTL 0 requests/inserts but have
them only go to the client cache. Or we might overload it so that that
was HTL=-1, and HTL=0 goes to the client cache and then the store, but
is not routed.
 
 On 9/22/05, Matthew Toseland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 10:39:33PM +0100, Volodya Mozhenkov wrote:
   Matthew Toseland wrote:
   That's not the point. We already intend to make HTL=0 attacks
   infeasible, and they go well beyond datastore probing (think social
   engineering with NIM forms, Frost posts; put a different KSK/SSK on each
   node).
   
   The point is, you can still time it, and there's no real way to beat
   timing attacks in this area.
  
   I'm getting lost once again. First i don't understand why that is not the
   point, since if you simply not cache the data if it was requested locally,
   then if it somehow can be proven that your node has requested the block,
   and it is not in the datastore, then you were the requester; that
   compromises anonymity, not increases it. Second, i don't see what you have
   meant by the social engineering with nim/frost.
 
  If they bust your node and get your store, or even if they can probe it,
  then they can prove what you've been downloading, with some degree of
  confidence (because you have *all of it*). This is the Register attack.
  This is what not caching locally requested files is working against.
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Re: [freenet-support] Question about the bunny app

[Someone]

The answer would be no, as far as I can tell.  Supposedly there was going to
be another line added into the flaunch.ini that would let you send
parameters to java to startup Freenet with, however there does not seem to
be any at this time.  The current workaround is:

1. Start Freenet directly through the command line, without the bunny icon.
you'd do something like:
javaw -server -Xmx256m -jar freenet.jar

2. Change how your Java starts by default so that it will *always* try to
start in server mode before it tries client mode.  You can do this by
editing your jvm.cfg file  make sure -server KNOWN comes before -client
KNOWN (you'll just need to rearrange them).  The file is in your Java
Runtime directly..mines is in the jre\lib\i386 folder.

If you're using Sun Java, remember you need to have the SDK version to be
able to run Java in server mode.

Enjoy!



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Is it possible to add additional commandline parameters to the flaunch.ini
that is used by the bunny app to start freenet. So I can for ex. add the
server switch for java to it instead of starting freenet via a batch file?
It's nothing important, just something that might be usefull.

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[freenet-support] Question about the bunny app

[Someone]

Is it possible to add additional commandline parameters to the flaunch.ini
that is used by the bunny app to start freenet. So I can for ex. add the
server switch for java to it instead of starting freenet via a batch file?
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RE: [freenet-support] Question re: accessing my Freenet node fromanother computer

[Niklas Bergh]

 I had no trouble getting the firewall to do the appropriate 
 port forwarding to 
 the server.
 
 Here's the problem.  When I sit at my Linux server, fire up 
 Mozilla, and go to 
 http://127.0.0.1:/ or http://192.168.1.10:/ Freenet 
 works just fine.
 
 When I sit at my laptop and try http://192.168.1.10:/ 
 nothing happens.
 
 My freenet.conf file includes
 
 mainport.allowedHosts=*
 mainport.bindAddress=*
 
 which I thought would allow me to browse my Freenet node from 
 another computer.
 
 What do I need to do to get this to work?

Hmmm.. That ought to do it.. If you spawn a standard apache on the linux
machine, can your 10.* machines access pages from it successfully?

If not, then I think this is a TCP/IP routing issue... Do the test and
we'll talk more it this is the issue.

If they can.. Then I suggest that you crank up the loglevel on your
freenet server and track what really happens when your 10.* machines
tries to request something from http://192.168.1.10:/ 

Cheers
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[freenet-support] Question about Threads

[Matt Weaver]

I am running a rather plain vanilla 5047 node on a rather 
plain machine, PIII800 512 ram running gentoo linux, and all is well, except for 
one thing. It seems that the number of threads created by the the node climbs 
very rapidly towards the limit, of 150, blows by that limit, and usually peaks 
around 200 active threads, then takes hours to fall off, and then hovers right 
at the 95% use mark, flipping rapidly back and forth between rejecting queries 
and accepting them. Now, I Ain't No Rocket Scientist, but wouldn't it be prudent 
for the node to throttle itself a little better so as not to abuse that 150 
thread limit quite so hard? I spend probably 80% or more of my time in a query 
reject state because of high usage, and that seems rather counter productive. I 
could raise the thread limit, but I would think the same behaviour would occur, 
just at a higher resource usage level on the box...
Am I worrying about nothing, or is there something I can do to 
fine tune my node a bit?

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Re: [freenet-support] Question on IPNetRouter for Macintosh

[Jan]

Toad wrote:
 
 On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 02:45:27PM +0100, Jan wrote:

[...] 
  Guess I need to leave Freenet running in hope of better times. When
  there will be a Mac OS9 version, perhaps.
 
 Technically you can run it on OS/9... you need a 1.4 JDK, and a command
 line, though. I don't have a mac to try it on.

A java version with CLI, hmmm. I guess that's stretching my capacities
too much. 
I've got that ugly box.. PC, I mean, anyway.

Thx for the reply.
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Re: [freenet-support] Question on IPNetRouter for Macintosh

[Toad]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 02:45:27PM +0100, Jan wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Just checking if I filled out the Port Mapping right.
 
 I have Freenet running on a win98 PC behind the IPNR router/firewall. 
 Yeah, I know 98 isn't recommended, w98, w2k and xp just don't play 
 well together on this box.
 
 
 In the Port Mapping window I added a line:
 Protocol: TCP
 Apparent Endpoint: my outside IP#:Freenet port#
 Actual Endpoint: 192.168.0.2:Freenet port#
 Flags: P S (Permanent and Static)
 
 I find the IPNR documentation pretty confusing, probably because I 
 don't understand much of networking. So if anyone can say the above 
 is okay, I can sleep again g.
 
 
 Freenet does work be it very badly. Lately I also don't get past the 
 warning page but that has been better, I've seen a couple of sites.
 Fuqid has managed to get a few files, Freenet Message Board starts up 
 but doesn't show a single message,  Frost idem dito.
 
 Guess I need to leave Freenet running in hope of better times. When 
 there will be a Mac OS9 version, perhaps.

Technically you can run it on OS/9... you need a 1.4 JDK, and a command
line, though. I don't have a mac to try it on.
 
 Thanks for any answer.
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Re: [freenet-support] Question

[The Babbler]

On Thursday 06 November 2003 01:39 am, Kyle Weigel wrote:
| I run a server, and I donate space to freenet and all that fun stuff,
| but I was wondering if I could post something on  MY donated space.. and
| I know it's there, but give the link to people just like I would link to
| anything else on Freenet.  I know one of the points is that no one knows
| where data is, but I want to be able to have people download/view from
| my server without them knowing where my server resides.

What is the advantage to that?  Does it just give you warm fuzzies to know 
that they are getting your data from your server or are you trying to 
avoid the time involved in inserting data in the usual way?

As suggested by somebody else, if it's the the latter, then using Frost to 
make it available might be your best bet, but of course only Frost users can 
find it then, so it's not open the entirety of freenet.

Before even the Frost users can get it, though, Frost has to insert it in the 
usual way, so the users still won't be pulling the bits directly off your 
node, and it's entirely possible that none of it will actually be in *your* 
freenet store.  (Frost will insert it into freenet directly from your 
regular file location, not from the freenet store.)

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[freenet-support] Question on IPNetRouter for Macintosh

[Jan]

Hi,

Just checking if I filled out the Port Mapping right.

I have Freenet running on a win98 PC behind the IPNR router/firewall. 
Yeah, I know 98 isn't recommended, w98, w2k and xp just don't play 
well together on this box.

In the Port Mapping window I added a line:
Protocol: TCP
Apparent Endpoint: my outside IP#:Freenet port#
Actual Endpoint: 192.168.0.2:Freenet port#
Flags: P S (Permanent and Static)
I find the IPNR documentation pretty confusing, probably because I 
don't understand much of networking. So if anyone can say the above 
is okay, I can sleep again g.

Freenet does work be it very badly. Lately I also don't get past the 
warning page but that has been better, I've seen a couple of sites.
Fuqid has managed to get a few files, Freenet Message Board starts up 
but doesn't show a single message,  Frost idem dito.

Guess I need to leave Freenet running in hope of better times. When 
there will be a Mac OS9 version, perhaps.

Thanks for any answer.
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jan
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[freenet-support] Question

[Kyle Weigel]

I run a server, and I donate space to freenet and all that fun stuff, 
but I was wondering if I could post something on  MY donated space.. and 
I know it's there, but give the link to people just like I would link to 
anything else on Freenet.  I know one of the points is that no one knows 
where data is, but I want to be able to have people download/view from 
my server without them knowing where my server resides.

Kyle Weigel

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Re: [freenet-support] Question

[Edgar Friendly]

Kyle Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I run a server, and I donate space to freenet and all that fun stuff,
 but I was wondering if I could post something on  MY donated
 space.. and I know it's there, but give the link to people just like I
 would link to anything else on Freenet.  I know one of the points is
 that no one knows where data is, but I want to be able to have people
 download/view from my server without them knowing where my server
 resides.
 
 Kyle Weigel
 
Sorry, freenet isn't the system you're looking for if you want
reliable hosting.  The network has to be able to put the data on the
nodes it'll look for it on.  If you have data on your node, and noone
knows about it, it's a waste of space.

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[freenet-support] Question 2

[John]

So Dave, if I set the HTL to, say 4000 the next time I get a page that I 
can't access, and just leave it to complete, will that mean that my list 
of learned nodes will be increased by 4000 ?

John



The seednodes file is only needed when you start freenet the first time. 
After that it will load the nodes that it has learned. You'll only need 
it again if your routingtables become corrupted. Dave

Daily, when I download the most recent unstable build (to overwrite 
freenet.jar), should I also be downloading and overwriting the 
seednodes.ref file?



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[freenet-support] Question 2

[John]

Daily, when I download the most recent unstable build (to overwrite 
freenet.jar), should I also be downloading and overwriting the 
seednodes.ref file?

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Re: [freenet-support] Question

[Daves Lists]

Aconfig item that is commented out will be 
set to a default. That item defaults to NGR.

Dave

  - Original Message - 
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  John 
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  Subject: [freenet-support] Question
  In the NGR installation instructions, there is the following 
  line which I'm not sure aboutI've just installed the latest build (never 
  used this program before, hence a newbie) and don't have a freenet.conf file, 
  but do have a freenet.ini file.In this freenet.ini file, there is a 
  line that starts "routingTableImpl=NGR" but surely I shouldn't # this out, 
  should I ?If there is a line in your freenet.conf or 
  freenet.ini file starting with "routingTableImpl" delete it or comment 
  it out by prepending a '#'.
  
  

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Re: [freenet-support] Question 2

[Daves Lists]

The seednodes file is only needed when you start freenet the first time.
After that it will load the nodes that it has learned. You'll only need it
again if your routingtables become corrupted.

Dave

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 Daily, when I download the most recent unstable build (to overwrite
 freenet.jar), should I also be downloading and overwriting the
 seednodes.ref file?


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[freenet-support] question freenet et upload

[Laurent Hamelin]

Bonjour,

A propos de Freenet, si j'ai bien compris, chaque utilisateur gère un node 
pour accéder et participer à Freenet :

Sauriez-vous me dire ce qu'un node peut générer comme upload et selon quels 
critères cet upload peut varier ? l'opérateur du node peut-il le contrôler ?

Est-ce comparable aux autres réseaux peer-to-peer ?

Concrètement je suis intéressé par le concept de freenet, mais géné sur un 
point : mon FAI (un opérateur d'internet par le câble) m'autorisant un 
upload mensuel de 1 Go.

Cordialement,

Laurent Hamelin.

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[freenet-support] question

[wu]

Dear sir:
Where has The FreenetJview.zip for 
downloading?

RE: [freenet-support] question

[tech]

FreenetJview.zip is a package with the setup files set to work
with microsoft version of Java. The interface has been translated into
Chinese. It can run off a floppy. It can be downloaded from
http://freenet-china.org/freenet/download


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Dear sir:
Where has The FreenetJview.zip for downloading?


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