Guess we need to define small, medium, large and
producer.
Small - 100-500 gallons a day - 35,000-175,000 gallons per year
(?)
Medium - 750-1000 gallons a day - 265,000-350,000 gallons per
year (?)
Large - 1,500 plus gallons a day - 525,000 plus gallons per year
(?)
producer - anyone
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Hi;
Good points; hopefully you are right.
Alex
--- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello;
Good point about third world...
I can see the time when bio diesel will be marketed
as
a 'super' fuel and will priced accordingly--simple
marketing dynamics. The only ones who will be able
Hi Sam Jai-In
Hi Keith,
What about the European standards such as DIN or
Austrian ? they require at least 96.5% metylester
content; is this beyond homebrew?
It seems not, European homebrewers have had their fuel analyzed in
comparison to Austrian commercial biodiesel and found it matches.
For
Hello Thor
Briefly, for now - re this:
You wrote that surveys show that Americans are willing
to pay extra for greener and more economical vehicles.
Can you point me in the direction of some of these
surveys?
I had a sense of unease when I wrote it, that I might not be able to
find the main
Keith mentioned something that I think needs to be emphisized is that the
collection rates for WVO is rather low, and within that low collection
percentage only a certain amount is actually recycled into something
valuable. Thus although the big FF chains might do a BD venture
themselves (more
Thanks for clarifying that Todd. I think you sent me the same thing some
time ago, but I couldn't find the post.
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Appal Energy wrote:
Guess we need to define small, medium, large and
producer.
Small - 100-500 gallons a day - 35,000-175,000 gallons per year
(?)
Didn't we process a batch from the same resturante that was good (ie. a
later date)? I thought we did that during class. And you were mentioning
how unusual it was that you had this bad oil from a formerly good source.
Had the bad oil experience, then went back and tested again and it was
Mark,
You make good points, and I dont think were really
disagreeing here. A lot of this discussion was
generated over the loose, unclarified use of the term
homebrewer on my part. If a homebrewer is someone
just producing for their own use, then I pretty much
agree with everything youve
This was posted to another list today:
Thought You'd all be interested in the following
letter from Dr. ALan Lloyd (CARB Charmain) that
appeared in the LA Times yesterday in response to an
earlier editorial. I've included text to both below.
Regards,
Mike
CARB staff is not entirely sure that the workshop
will extend to Friday the 6th. If all of the speakers
can be heard by 5pm (or maybe 6pm) on Thursday
they will try to finish on Thursday.
So in a word, if you're looking to speak at the workshop...
count on Thursday. I would count on the
There's lots of organic acids out there but I wouldn't expect a
restaurant to be using any that didn't mix with water. A problem that
often arises with raw oil is high FFA's due to rancidity
or biological oxidation. What organic acids can be formed by
bacterial digestion is anyone's guess.
Sounds like just the thing for pumping grease.
and making that junk into biodiesel.
If its a little more like oil...then you can use the pump we have
listed, and you can also use that good stuff as SVO in a two-tank
system, after at least the minimum of pre-treatment...filtering and
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All the discussions about bio fuel business, inspired me to write
the
following piece for publishing on our web site. This is an early
draft and
I thought that the members of this list are the best ones for
getting
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If the
sharks come too close they could get torn to pieces by piranhas.
As a frequent user of analogies, I must express my appreciation for
the one above.
For a comparison, local farmers' markets and CSAs are growing
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I apologize that I have not been doing a better job of addressing
many of the specific points made but I simply cannot keep up with
the prolific nature of this group. After some experience here, I
have a much better
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Prairie Dog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Someone wrote:
Loggers and professional Foresters KNOW what they are doing.
The 'Environmentalists' may have the best of intentions, but are
near-
totally ignorant about the issues involved.
--
Thanks so much for that
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Citations by snipping do have the vulnerability of possible large
misunderstandings. I did not read in any certification of what is
happening in the statement. I think that the new forest management
techniques has nothing to do with better environment. In fact, it is not
even management
Thank you Motie,
If you and Keith try to help me with the English, I would welcome it.
It is an early draft and I am very much aware of my weaknesses in
English. For me it is better to write without thinking on the correct
language, which I think that many on the list noticed. The thought
If the
sharks come too close they could get torn to pieces by piranhas.
What about the 'Piranha Club' for the name of the 'to be born'
WORLD E VOTERS organisation???
J
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--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Prairie Dog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Someone wrote:
Loggers and professional Foresters KNOW what they are doing.
The 'Environmentalists' may have the best of intentions, but are
near-
totally ignorant about the issues involved.
--
Thanks so much for that
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think that the new forest management
techniques has nothing to do with better environment. In fact, it
is not
even management techniques, it is production/harvesting
techniques.
Actually, it is a combination of management
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you Motie,
If you and Keith try to help me with the English, I would welcome
it.
It is an early draft and I am very much aware of my weaknesses in
English. For me it is better to write without thinking on the
correct
Hi Motie
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry, Motie, but trust an American to see the whole complicated
Swiss set-up in terms of guns, first and foremost. The Swiss
certainly don't see it that way. I believe most Swiss would see
your
comment on their
James,
Try looking under Grainger or call the Berkeley store - it's
510-653-7200. Or www.grainger.com
Craig
James Slayden wrote:
on this note, Mark mentioned that granger is down this way (south
bay),
but I can't seem to find a listing in the phone book. Anyone know
directly their
Found this on another list, and thought that a few people here would be
interested.
Greg H.
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Energy Systems and Designs offers the Stream Engine, which might help
you
power equipment in your
I also would like to know which fuel cell he was referring to when he
says his company has participated in the operation of a fuel cell
using ethanol. Medis's fuel cells are nice, but has anything been
scaled up and tested so that it can run ethanol and make more than a
few kW?
Otherwise, I
When WVO becomes a commodity and the price point reaches SVO, WVO will
loose it's attractiveness. Unless Macky D's wants to start becoming a
processor themselves (which may end up happening as since they are paying
for the oil in the first place), I don't see any large margins in WVO for
the
on this note, Mark mentioned that granger is down this way (south bay),
but I can't seem to find a listing in the phone book. Anyone know
directly their number down here so I can get over there?
Thank,
James Slayden
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, studio53 wrote:
girl mark,
I looked at the pump at
Hello Hakan
Thank you Motie,
If you and Keith try to help me with the English, I would welcome it.
I'm glad Motie offered, I wanted to say much the same. When you reach
final draft stage would be the time.
It is an early draft and I am very much aware of my weaknesses in
English.
Hakan, I
You are right on the money. I have been saying this ever since I was in high
school ( I wound up in in school suspension because I argued with a
teacher of the enviromentalest type right in the middle of class ).
Greg H.
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If you go to the web site they have a store locator.
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I am having some trouble figuring out this problem - hoping someone could help.
I have recently made a 25 gallon batch of biodiesel, which came out a bit
murky. I have since washed the fuel five times with the bubble wash method -
for at least 12 hours at a time. The water from the last
Hi i'm looking for any mechanics to help me with a 300 d mercedes 1980. I'm
in san jose. thankyou, lee phillips
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Didn't we process a batch from the same resturante that was good (ie. a
later date)? I thought we did that during class. And you were mentioning
how unusual it was that you had this bad oil from a formerly good source.
Had the bad oil experience, then went back and tested again and it was
Motie,
I think that we are in different time zones. When I worked as
a teenager up to 21 years old, clean cutting was not practised
at all. What we did was to clean, in order to give trees the needed
space to grow properly. Mature trees was harvested and moved
by horses or small tractors. Most
Some interesting designs...
http://vri.etec.wwu.edu/history.htm
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Keith Addison writes:
Representative democracy is not the only way. The Swiss example
is one alternative, a much admired one, Churchill
notwithstanding (not that he's much of an example). There are
quite a few others, and also many different forms of
representative
At 02:18 AM 11/28/2002 +0900, you wrote:
Hello Hakan
I wonder how
many languages you speak, Hakan? Three at least, probably more, right?
Right.
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RARE
93( I think)
5 cylinder diesel
Local guy has for sale.
Lots of new parts, including brand new clutch.
230,000 km
email me if interested,
Cheers,
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All,
i just had an interesting conversation with someone who will remain
unnamed. He is trying to get involved in alternative energy, and
expressed his concern for the future of Bio-diesel. According to the
people in his circle, Minnesota's mandatory requirement for 2%
Biodiesel blended
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are right on the money. I have been saying this ever since I
was in high
school ( I wound up in in school suspension because I argued with
a
teacher of the enviromentalest type right in the middle of class ).
Greg H.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When the Nazis rounded up the Jews for their trip to the showers,
they were unable to resist.
Another American who feels somewhat the same just told me he feels
like he's living in Germany in the 1930s.
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From: motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 14:50
Subject: [biofuel] Forests - was Re: Back Online
Greg,
Did you get the sense that the Teacher was being deliberately
deceptive, or simply passing on his/her
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From: motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 16:13
Subject: [biofuel] Forests - was Re: Back Online
If a vote were to be taken in the
classroom where you were attending, regarding a proposed Law to 'Save
the
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are right on the money. I have been saying this ever since I
was in high
school ( I wound up in in school suspension because I argued
with
a
teacher of the
Sure, sure...I know this I am better than my fellow citizens attitude.
POC
On 26 Nov 2002, Kelsey Jordahl wrote:
milliontc writes:
I wonder if anyone would like to make comment on the
following... Direct Democracy
I think direct democracy is a terrible idea. People are
Why stop there. What red blooded American wouldn't want to uphold his
constitutional right to bear arms with a Gerald Bull Super-Gun in the
backyard or a basement full of suitcase nukes?
POC
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Greg and April wrote:
Not to be patranizing or anything, but, why don't you
This was posted to another list today:
Thought You'd all be interested in the following
letter from Dr. ALan Lloyd (CARB Charmain) that
appeared in the LA Times yesterday in response to an
earlier editorial. I've included text to both below.
Regards,
Mike
Comments embedded below. The comments ... not the software!!
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Keith: How would that differ from the system currently employed for voting
in the US?
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From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 16:20
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Direct Democracy
Why stop there. What red blooded American wouldn't want to uphold his
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From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 16:20
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Direct Democracy
Why stop there. What red blooded American wouldn't want to uphold his
excuse me - I may be out of my mind, or simply out of place as a newcomer to
this list, but what does any of this back and forthing have to do with biofuels
(in the direct sense)? Nuclear weapons? rule of the masses? Interesting and
compelling topics, but perhaps better suited for off the
Would someone kindly remove me from this godforsaken list.
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From: motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 5:58 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Direct Democracy
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All you have to do is follow the instructions at the bottom of each post.
Godforsaken? Not.
Greg H.
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From: sevy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 17:50
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Direct Democracy
Would someone
I've tried that several times, but it doesn't work I'm stuck in Yahoo's
computer I guess
I'm sure someone can get me kicked off this thing. What do I have to do:
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From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 8:02 PM
Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sure, sure...I know this I am better than my fellow citizens attitude.
POC
Not at all. I don't think that I am nearly informed enough to make a
decision on every law either. I'd rather elect someone I respect
whose ideology I more or less agree
Have you gone to Yahoo Groups, and removed yourself from the group?
Greg H.
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From: sevy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 18:19
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Direct Democracy
I've tried that several times, but it doesn't
CARB staff is not entirely sure that the workshop
will extend to Friday the 6th. If all of the speakers
can be heard by 5pm (or maybe 6pm) on Thursday
they will try to finish on Thursday.
So in a word, if you're looking to speak at the workshop...
count on Thursday. I would count on the
There is no way I will ever support Mob Rule, over Rule of Law.
Short and Simple answer.
The object is to influence government policy before it's too late,
nothing more.
James
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--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sure, sure...I know this I am better than my fellow citizens
attitude.
POC
And that attitude is why we need Rule of Law, so there are
guidelines to follow.
30 KKK members and 3 Southern Blacks taking a vote on who
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