Re: [Biofuel] What?s up with George Monbiot?!

2006-02-28 Thread Burak_l
Mr Monbiot also misses the point that WVO is already there. And if not converted to biodiesel it will be dumped to the sewage. Unfortunately there are many writers who do not think in depth or they lack the information and intellectual development to say the least. But they justify their

Re: [Biofuel] What?s up with George Monbiot?!

2006-02-28 Thread Julian Voelcker
You really should just ignore George Mombiot. He's just a silly little man full of his own importance and always has been. He likes to provide an opinion on everything from the environment, biofuels, class structure, etc and I am yet to find anyone that agrees with his opinions. What

Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court

2006-02-28 Thread Gary L. Green
That was fun. As a Chiropractor I get lots of this kind of stuff thrown at me, both information and accusations. As chiros are at the heart of Barrett's hate I'm very familiar with him. It was nice to get a glimpse behind the curtain to see how he is funded and the trouble he's in.

[Biofuel] oil expert: output downhill from here

2006-02-28 Thread AltEnergyNetwork
Oil Expert: Output Downhill From Here http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16208021BRD=1713PAG=740dept_id=226967rfi=6 By Ted Sickinger, The Oregonian, Portland, Ore. Feb. 27--Few petroleum geologists qualify as celebrities. But Ken Deffeyes, a former Shell Oil geologist who is

Re: [Biofuel] What?s up with George Monbiot?!

2006-02-28 Thread Michael Redler
Thanks Julian,You wrote: "What surprises me is that there are Editors out there willing to publish his drivel."Yes. I'm surprised too. Iwas surprised to see that kind of op-ed appearing inThe Guardian. Then, I found it amazing to see him appearing over and over again in sources that I've

Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court

2006-02-28 Thread bob allen
I try to keep an open mind but certain individuals are so over the top as to loose all credibility. From the cited article, it was hard to tell just what was won. Bolen makes it seem like a really big deal, but, all I could find was that aetna did not have standing to make the claims they

Re: [Biofuel] A wealth of manuals

2006-02-28 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, Thanks Kirk, looks like an interesting list of books. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:45 PM 2/27/2006, you wrote: A wealth of how-to/gardening/energy manuals -- including the whole collection ready to burn to disk (at top) http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/3wdev/CD3WD/INDEX.HTM

Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court

2006-02-28 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, Is this a surprise? How many people do you know, reguardless of age that don't take at least one prescription drug a day? For us, it is just us, everyone we know takes them. Doctors in this country tell people that what they eat makes no difference to their health. Diabetics are told

Re: [Biofuel] What?s up with George Monbiot?!

2006-02-28 Thread Keith Addison
Re Big Ag and biofuels, I have this figure that one ton of nitrogen fertiliser takes 10 tons of crude oil to manufacture. Can anyone confirm that? Thanks! Keith Hello Julian, Mike and all You really should just ignore George Mombiot. He's just a silly little man full of his own importance

Re: [Biofuel] What?s up with George Monbiot?!

2006-02-28 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Julian, Mike and all You really should just ignore George Mombiot. He's just a silly little man full of his own importance and always has been. Well, not really. He likes to provide an opinion on everything from the environment, biofuels, class structure, etc and I am yet to find anyone

Re: [Biofuel] A wealth of manuals

2006-02-28 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Kirk Nice finds! Thanks. This one seems to be in Christmas Island - cx - and it's very slow! Downloading the 650Mb CD is an appealing prospect, but not at 1kb/sec and then it stalls. I'll try again tomorrow. Thanks for the blacksmithing manuals link too, I started doing some blacksmithing

Re: [Biofuel] What?s up with George Monbiot?!

2006-02-28 Thread bob allen
energy being fungible, how about this: The entire fertilizer industry uses less than 2% of world energy consumption, and this is overwhelmingly concentrated in the production of ammonia. The ammonia industry used about 5% of natural gas consumption in the mid-1990s.

Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court

2006-02-28 Thread John Hayes
Garth Kim Travis wrote: Doctors in this country tell people that what they eat makes no difference to their health. Diabetics are told that sugar intake has nothing to do with diabetes. Kim, I don't mean to be harsh, but that is utter and complete horseshit. My sister and her husband,

Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court

2006-02-28 Thread Joe Street
Well there are two sides to every story John; I'm here to tell ya I have had discussions with my daughter's pediatrician and he thinks a Big Mac is a balanced meal. I've been told that in medical school the subject of nutrition is covered in one single course and it is mostly about memorizing

Re: [Biofuel] What?s up with George Monbiot?!

2006-02-28 Thread Michael Redler
Thanks Keith.You wrote: "We've had these stories before from him, since end-2004..."That seems to coincide with what I've been finding.MikeKeith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello Julian, Mike and allYou really should just ignore George Mombiot. He's just a silly littleman full

Re: [Biofuel] What?s up with George Monbiot?!

2006-02-28 Thread Joe Street
Well so long as some people look at biofuels with the mindset of making money and perhaps a lot of money then that prospect is where we are inevitably headed. Obviously some land is needed for growing oil seed crops but the point is that a paradigm shift is in order for this world. Less is

Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court

2006-02-28 Thread John Morris
Is this a surprise? How many people do you know, reguardless of age that don't take at least one prescription drug a day? Me (39), all of my step children and their partners (20 to 32), most of my grandchildren, my father (72) and most of my friends. I know more people who don't than who

Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court

2006-02-28 Thread Kirk McLoren
So lets try for a bit of objectivity here - I think Wilzig is pc and saying this modality is bunk. So what do other dentists think that are outside the liability issue if American dentists ever admit they have poisoned people for a century - remember this is enormously larger than tobacco. In

Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court

2006-02-28 Thread John Hayes
Hey Joe. I'll certainly admit there are physicians who are out of date and out of touch with regard to modern practice guidelines. But getting from there to blanket statements about doctors in this country is a pretty huge leap. With regard to your daughter's pediatrician, if he really

[Biofuel] new scam infests unwary computers

2006-02-28 Thread Kirk McLoren
*A VIRULENT NEW SCAM INFESTS UNWARY COMPUTERS* By TOM ZELLER Jr. NYT Page One 02/26/2006 Most people who use e-mail now know enough to be on guard against "phishing" messages that pretend to be from a bank or business but are actually attempts to steal passwords and other personal

Re: [Biofuel] What?s up with George Monbiot?!

2006-02-28 Thread Keith Addison
I just received a new piece from I-SIS, The Institute of Science in Society, by the director, Dr. Mae-Wan Ho, ISIS Press Release 28/02/06, titled Biofuels for Oil Addicts - Cure Worse than The Addiction, saying much the same thing as Monbiot et al. Bioethanol and biodiesel from energy crops

Re: [Biofuel] A wealth of manuals

2006-02-28 Thread Greg and April
I tried it and was getting a whopping 2.5 KB/sec, but that still would have been better than 4 days to download. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:34 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A wealth of

Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court

2006-02-28 Thread bob allen
Howdy Kirk, let me suggest we conduct this colloquy on one thing at a time, it makes keeping track of the score easier. Kirk McLoren wrote: So lets try for a bit of objectivity here - I think Wilzig is pc and saying this modality is bunk. So what do other dentists think that are outside

Re: [Biofuel] What?s up with George Monbiot?!

2006-02-28 Thread Michael Redler
I find it incredible that people with the knowledge and experience to know otherwise, don't simplylook atthe philosophy behind hybrid vehicles, which are provingeconomical in transportation (despite limited innovation in their development) and see themas scalable and a microcosm offuture,

Re: [Biofuel] A wealth of manuals

2006-02-28 Thread Michael Redler
Absolutely.Nice find.Mike- Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:34Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A wealth of manuals Hi Kirk Nice finds! Thanks. This one seems to be in Christmas Island - cx - and

Re: [Biofuel] What?s up with George Monbiot?!

2006-02-28 Thread Kenji James Fuse
I've never even heard of monbiot but I'm never surprised when Editors champion a so-called 'liberal' or 'environmentalist' who turns out to be an apologist for status quo and the media's sponsors. That's 'balance' these days... kf On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Julian Voelcker wrote: You really should

Re: [Biofuel] What?s up with George Monbiot?!

2006-02-28 Thread Kenji James Fuse
Hi Burak, I don't think most used cooking oil is dumped in the sewer any more. The rendering industry is quite huge in the glutanous northern hemisphere. I've heard they make make-up and livestock feed with the stuff, as well as a few chemicals even. Not to say homebrewed biodiesel isn't a

Re: [Biofuel] diesel pump for wvo

2006-02-28 Thread Derick Giorchino
Hi I think the lift pump you speak of will work but the volume you can pump is very small per stroke. You could be there for 40 min per gal on the other hand you will be getting a good work out. I have been experimenting with shop vac's this is a fast way to suck almost anything. 55 gal drum 2

Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court

2006-02-28 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, Then answer the question: how many people do you know that don't take drugs, daily? I have been in the US for 13 years and have yet to find a doctor that knows anything about diet. And no, not just rural doctors. If the doctors are so great, then why is our health care so bad?

Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court

2006-02-28 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, Well, I did try this, talking to an RD, and you know what, most of her recommendations came from a package. That's right, the prepared chemical food that makes you nice and sick. Her comment was to ask why I was talking to her, since I already knew more about nutrition than she did.

Re: [Biofuel] A wealth of manuals

2006-02-28 Thread Keith Addison
Damn, so it's not just me then, that's a pity. You'd expect a bit of speed with a name like sleekfreak, not very streamlined. I'll keep trying though, there are some books there I've been after for awhile. Thanks Greg Best Keith I tried it and was getting a whopping 2.5 KB/sec, but that

Re: [Biofuel] A wealth of manuals

2006-02-28 Thread Evergreen Solutions
If there is somebody who has succeeded in getting these, make a .torrent and host it somewhere and put up the link...better sharing for everyone. And I doubt it's really in the christmas islands, probably someone hosting it remotely from their home computer...

Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court

2006-02-28 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Recently, I've found myself unable to concentrate, depressed, having trouble sleeping, being unmotivated, constantly being angry. I'm sure that if I went to see a doctor about this, he or she could prescribe something to try to help. This is civilized society's response to this condition. Go

Re: [Biofuel] A wealth of manuals

2006-02-28 Thread Gerard Godin
Evergreen Solutions wrote: If there is somebody who has succeeded in getting these, make a .torrent and host it somewhere and put up the link...better sharing for everyone. My thoughts exactly.. I was thinking I'd ask for a copy to be sent and seed it myself!! But I got side-tracked :) If

Re: [Biofuel] A wealth of manuals

2006-02-28 Thread David Miller
Evergreen Solutions wrote: If there is somebody who has succeeded in getting these, make a .torrent and host it somewhere and put up the link...better sharing for everyone. I have a mostly idle server with a 100 Mbit connection to the AOL/TW backbone. Obviously, using it all would be

Re: [Biofuel] A wealth of manuals

2006-02-28 Thread Logan Vilas
I'm having the same problems downloading the link, but I'm downloading the entire web site. I'll see how that goes. So far it's about 30-50kb/s Logan Vilas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:13

Re: [Biofuel] A wealth of manuals

2006-02-28 Thread MALCOLM MACLURE
Hi all, I'm getting 50kb/s - which means total download time of around 8 days, assuming that rate is maintained which I doubt during the day. We'll see. Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Logan Vilas Sent: 01 March 2006 01:58 To:

Re: [Biofuel] A wealth of manuals

2006-02-28 Thread doug
Logan Vilas wrote: I'm having the same problems downloading the link, but I'm downloading the entire web site. I'll see how that goes. So far it's about 30-50kb/s Logan Vilas After several attempts at the cd.iso file, I just started going through the links and DL the pages that are of

Re: [Biofuel] A wealth of manuals

2006-02-28 Thread Kirk McLoren
I thought you would like it. I have 339.5 megabytes of the iso at the moment and their server is totally overloaded. My download client is estimating completion at about 60 hours from now. There are some large file transfer sites that have free accounts so if possible perhaps I can put this on

Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court

2006-02-28 Thread Kirk McLoren
I have discovered hypnosis. I am extremely enthusiastic about it. And yes - western mental health is about getting zombied out. Did you know all those shooters such as Columbine were prozac kiddies? Press didnt say much about that fact - not pc. The press also doesnt talk about the prozac

Re: [Biofuel] A wealth of manuals

2006-02-28 Thread David Miller
doug wrote: Logan Vilas wrote: I'm having the same problems downloading the link, but I'm downloading the entire web site. I'll see how that goes. So far it's about 30-50kb/s Logan Vilas After several attempts at the cd.iso file, I just started going through the links and DL

Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court

2006-02-28 Thread Kirk McLoren
We find that there is a lot of concern about mercury and burning coal yet you advocate a mercury source that ismuch more concentrated as not a demonstrable health problem. You need to see what is wrong with your search engine Bob. You only seem to find politically correct authorities to quote.

Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court

2006-02-28 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Kim, John and all Greetings, Well, I did try this, talking to an RD, and you know what, most of her recommendations came from a package. That's right, the prepared chemical food that makes you nice and sick. Her comment was to ask why I was talking to her, since I already knew more about

Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court

2006-02-28 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Zeke Sympathies. Recently, I've found myself unable to concentrate, depressed, having trouble sleeping, being unmotivated, constantly being angry. I'm sure that if I went to see a doctor about this, he or she could prescribe something to try to help. This is civilized society's

Re: [Biofuel] A wealth of manuals

2006-02-28 Thread Greg and April
Keith, I just found this bit of info ( below ), at a different part of the web site. Greg H. Update 27 February 2006 - DOWNLOADS are about to become easier! We are now victims of our own success - people are trying to download the complete CD3WD product at such a rate that our systems are

Re: [Biofuel] A wealth of manuals

2006-02-28 Thread Michael Luich
Of course if it is someone hosting on thier home machine like it looks like, the more folks looking / downloading the slower the download speeds. Michael Luich On 2/28/06, doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Logan Vilas wrote: I'm having the same problems downloading the link, but I'm downloading

Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court

2006-02-28 Thread Cameron Stoker
$0.02 Most SSRI's (prozac friends) take 4 to 8 weeks to take effect - many of these deaths are because the medication _isn't_ working yet. That said, I believe there are studies showing that a good dose of sunshine i.e. morning walks, are just as effective at treating depression as

[Biofuel] Have you had enough? Cross-posted

2006-02-28 Thread Douglas Smith
To those on this list who are Americans: When will he actually have had enough.The Bush administration has been destroying our country at a very rapid pace. Many of us have been asking ourselves from the first stolen election in 2000 why we and the rest of this country are not out in the streets

Re: [Biofuel] A wealth of manuals

2006-02-28 Thread Logan Vilas
I found the slowdown. It's not a server and with paralleal computing it's slowed down. What is Sleekfreak? Sleekfreak is enjoying its new home in a 1.1 ghz athlon, with a gig of ram and scsi raid 1 storage. It is running the Woody release of Debian/GNU linux. It functions as secondary secure

Re: [Biofuel] Have you had enough? Cross-posted

2006-02-28 Thread Keith Addison
Good on you Douglas, it shouldn't be out of place here, enough people have said similar things before now - after all, those on the list and on the planet who are not Americans had enough long ago and have been saying so rather loudly. But why wait to April 1? It looks as if you'll have nuked