> I guess the only real solution is to make it a "closed" project, where you
> would have to apply to get access, and only "real" collectors would be
> admitted. But I fear that's just delaying the inevitable, really.
Unfortunately I don't believe there's much of a chance of stopping a
counterfeit
This is of course assuming you trust the archivist :) Seen several
botched, butchered and otherwise < 100% images that appeared to be fine
on the surface.
On Jan 18, 2004, at 9:20 PM, BL wrote:
But I agree that for very rare items the data should be preserved as
well, if a game would otherwise
> But I agree that for very rare items the data should be preserved as
> well, if a game would otherwise be lost, once the original medium is
> deteriorated.
As long as 1 person perserves the data, it can be copied. An original
shrinkwrapped box can't be copied. :)
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Per-Olof Karlsson wrote:
Counterfeiters are always a problem. If the images are of high quality
enough (which we all want them to be), I'm sure we'd run into problems. The
only real way to solve it is by crippling the image in some way, either by
introducing some watermark or just insert a logo at
Per-Olof Karlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 6:12 AM
> Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase
>
> > >Well, I kinda see it as preserving a legacy. How many originally
> > >
Dan Chisarick schrieb:
>
> How many original working floppies will be around in 50 years? You can
> preserve the wrap, or you can preserve the data. Which is more fun to
> play with?
The games I collect have been preserved over and over. From the games
themselves to the documentation.
But I ag
Brian the Fist schrieb:
>
> I always like to throw a bone in the gears.. It's not so hard to get
> access to a shrinkwrap machine. How do you know, if you get a
> shrinkwrapped game, that it is in the ORIGINAL shrinkwrap? Especially
> if there are no price tags or anything. If you never open i
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This reminds me. Awhile back Sarinee Achavanuntakul (of Underdogs) and I
were talking about setting up a site for cataloguing the exact contents of
game packages. Gameprops.com, I believe it was to b
there.
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From: "Per-Olof Karlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >Well, I kinda see it as preserving a legacy. How man
> Totally disagree here; having an item still in original shrinkwrap is a
> testament of time,
> and much rarer than an open box, of course. Really though, it's just
> amazing to have an
> item after X years still in the condition and orginal packaging that it
> would have been in
> at the little
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Stuart Feldhamer wrote:
> That's another scam...don't get me started.
At the risk of spawning another monster OT thread, I have to know: Why
is slabbing a scam? Is it because their ratings are worthless? Or is
it bec
Jim Leonard stated:
>
>Also, any comic book collectors on this list: What happened to the
>market? I collected Alan Moore books in the 1980s as they came out, and
>in the early 1990s they were worth more than $20 a book. Now I couldn't
>get more than $1-$2 apiece for them... Did something hap
Per-Olof Karlsson wrote:
Well, I kinda see it as preserving a legacy. How many originally
shrinked versions of a game will be around in fifty years?
Yeah, of course I understand this view. :) I'd much rather "preserve" the
whole package though. I like to make scans of the contents for instance,
wh
Stuart Feldhamer wrote:
That's another scam...don't get me started.
At the risk of spawning another monster OT thread, I have to know: Why
is slabbing a scam? Is it because their ratings are worthless? Or is
it because it "hardens" the market so that you can't make deals, etc.?
Also, any com
Lee K. Seitz wrote:
Yeah, and these discussions have a very familiar ring to them. I was
going to go back and look at our discussion, but discovered the
archive only goes back to late January 2003. I didn't realize we were
losing access to messages as we went along. Glad I'm saving some of
them
>Well, I kinda see it as preserving a legacy. How many originally
>shrinked versions of a game will be around in fifty years?
Yeah, of course I understand this view. :) I'd much rather "preserve" the
whole package though. I like to make scans of the contents for instance,
which is rather hard when
inch (or so) hole on the
wrap that is
characteristic of a factory wrap.
Brad
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over again. There's no comparison :)
Brad
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> Edward Franks schri
That's another scam...don't get me started.
Stuart
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Per-Olof Karlsson stated:
&
I always like to throw a bone in the gears.. It's not so hard to get
access to a shrinkwrap machine. How do you know, if you get a
shrinkwrapped game, that it is in the ORIGINAL shrinkwrap? Especially
if there are no price tags or anything. If you never open it, how would
you ever know? Carbon
m: "Marco Thorek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 7:55 PM
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Per-Olof Karlsson schrieb:
I support this view too. Shrinkwrapped items to me are interesting
mainly
because
Edward Franks schrieb:
>
> I'm the same. If it is a game for me the shrinkwrap goes (if it is
> for resale I'll leave it alone). I want all the goodies at hand when I
> play the game because that's the most fun for me. Leaving a game in
> the shrinkwrap is like buying a valuable paintin
>
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> Per-Olof Karlsson schrieb:
> >
> > I support this view too. Shrinkwrapped items to me are interesting
mainly
> > because I know "it
Per-Olof Karlsson schrieb:
>
> I support this view too. Shrinkwrapped items to me are interesting mainly
> because I know "it's all in the box", and if mint also that it's all in
> perfect condition. Other than that, I'm not too interested. I can be found
> removing the shrink when I'm curious eno
> Stefan Lindblom schrieb:
>
> Hello group,
>
> My name is Stefan and I am gamoholic.
>
> :)
>
> I need some advice, preferrably from someone who knows what a NEW copy
> of Wasteland should look like. I have included a picture of a game I
> just bought. He declared it to be NEW, and said he got
On Jan 15, 2004, at 3:31 PM, Jim Leonard wrote:
[Snip]
Hey, I'm in total agreement with you there. In fact, I routinely
"crack the wrap" on my software if I want to play the game (instead of
downloading a badly-cracked copy, or running a different version in an
emulator, etc.). Of course, this
suggesting would require
a change you see. Nevertheless, I can see this isn't going anywhere fast,
so I'll just drop it. :)
Brad
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quot;Per-Olof Karlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> I support this view too. Shrinkwrapped items to me are interesting mainly
> because I know &q
Per-Olof Karlsson stated:
>
>>I don't think it will go away, because computer game software has
>>*always* come wrapped or sealed in some way. Hell, even Akalabeth came
>>in a bag. That is completely different from comics, whose value was
>>*never* tied to bags, always condition, until compani
Jim Leonard stated:
>
>BL wrote:
>> I would propose a 2 changes to the scale:
>
>(I should warn you that changes to the scale were debated heavily for
>months before being finalized. If the scale is constantly changing,
>nobody will use it. Therefore, in order for a change to be made to the
>s
, January 15, 2004 4:34 PM
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>I'm not saying the "sealed = more $$" formula is fair and just, but it
>is extremely accurate in determining how much something will fetch on
>ebay or
>I'm not saying the "sealed = more $$" formula is fair and just, but it
>is extremely accurate in determining how much something will fetch on
>ebay or in trade. I think it's unanimous that, in terms of dollar
>value, sealed > non-sealed. So the scale was built with that in mind.
Absolutely,
Per-Olof Karlsson wrote:
I don't think it will go away, because computer game software has
*always* come wrapped or sealed in some way. Hell, even Akalabeth came
in a bag. That is completely different from comics, whose value was
*never* tied to bags, always condition, until companies started
BL wrote:
I understand the scale, there is just the point with Mint Sealed and Near
Mint implying the state of the shrink on the product while there's also a
modifier for Sealed.. It just seems redundant to me. In essense MS and NM
are the same thing, except for the wrap. So why not M with or w
>I don't think it will go away, because computer game software has
>*always* come wrapped or sealed in some way. Hell, even Akalabeth came
>in a bag. That is completely different from comics, whose value was
>*never* tied to bags, always condition, until companies started bagging
>them.
This
Per-Olof Karlsson wrote:
things, but I wouldn't be too surprised if this attitude would go away much
I don't think it will go away, because computer game software has
*always* come wrapped or sealed in some way. Hell, even Akalabeth came
in a bag. That is completely different from comics, whose
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This thing with shrinkwrap reminds me of when the comic book companies
started to "polybag" some of their comics...essentially to shrinkwrap them.
There was a whole debate as to whethe
tty much stopped
doing it too.
Stuart
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Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 3:39 PM
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Jim,
I understand the scale, there is just the point with
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> BL wrote:
> > Well yeah, I am aware you could do that, but it could be confusing to
those
> > who don't know.
>
> Well, if they read the g
BL wrote:
Well yeah, I am aware you could do that, but it could be confusing to those
who don't know.
Well, if they read the grading scale, they'll know ;-)
Why assume or not assume any sealed quality on any of six grades if there is
a modifier to handle the condition?
Unless you're a shrinkwrap n
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From: "Jim Leonard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 2:11 PM
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> BL wrote:
> > My bad Jim, I'm actually a little rusty! :) That descrepency wit
BL wrote:
My bad Jim, I'm actually a little rusty! :) That descrepency with Near
Mint's definition that we had a conversation about last year was never
ironed out though huh? (the descrep. being that Near Mint: No noticable
defects, but not sealed, which makes a Sealed but not in perfect Mint
co
condition an impossible rating, becuase NM implies no wrap.
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From: "Jim Leonard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:29 PM
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> BL wrot
Per-Olof Karlsson wrote:
think the best way to describe a really new game is MINT SEALED as
suggested by BL.
Sealed but "crushed" games are also covered in the MobyScale :) See
previous post.
--
Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.co
BL wrote:
Is there an auction link you can provide?
I don't know too much about Wasteland, but I do know that if it's not in
the original shrinkwrap, it technically is not NEW. If he had it
already, why would he open it? Some inexperienced sellers/collectors
will call something NEW if it loo
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advice regarding a Wasteland purchase
Is there an auction link you can provide?
I don't know too much about Wasteland, but I do know that if
it's not in the original shrinkwrap, it t
:
Stefan Lindblom
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:12
AM
Subject: [SWCollect] Need advice
regarding a Wasteland purchase
Hello group,
My name is Stefan and I am
gamoholic.
:)
I need some advice, preferrably from someone who
know
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