C.E. Forman wrote:
Worse, he got screwed out of a great item he really wanted, which he won
fair and square, and which he'll probably never find at that price again.
It's more that than the money.
Yes, but it's not nearly as damaging, as most things in Real Life are.
Remember, it's just a
C.E. Forman wrote:
I certainly wouldn't hold it against you. Actually I'd feel a bit guilty
taking a mint saucer for $10 (not to mention worried about getting screwed
over... witness the misfortune Dave Aston went through when he used BuyItNow
on a Suspended mask for $5.00).
Huh?? Please
C.E. Forman wrote:
(glances sideways at C. E. Forman) Well, *almost* all of us... ;-)
Heh, I totally deserve this. B-)
But it does beg the question... Is it not equally greedy of the rest of the
abandonware scene to just *expect* me to open my prize shrinkwrap, taking a
chance that
I certainly wouldn't hold it against you. Actually I'd feel a bit
guilty
taking a mint saucer for $10 (not to mention worried about getting
screwed
over... witness the misfortune Dave Aston went through when he used
BuyItNow
on a Suspended mask for $5.00).
Huh?? Please explain -- I'm
C.E. Forman wrote:
I certainly wouldn't hold it against you. Actually I'd feel a bit
guilty
taking a mint saucer for $10 (not to mention worried about getting
screwed
over... witness the misfortune Dave Aston went through when he used
BuyItNow
on a Suspended mask for $5.00).
Just finished reading it. Maybe I'm under-reacting, but it looked as if
the promise of a Suspended mask forced Dave to throw good money after
bad. By the 2nd month I would've obviously given up. He got screwed
for $40 and about 6 hours (total) of his time -- that's unfortunate, but
he
Jim Leonard wrote:
Hugh Falk wrote:
Just for the record. Chris and I both sniped about the same time (just a
few seconds left). I ended up winning because my max bid was higher.
Like
Jim said, that's what it really came down to.
Isn't that all it ever comes down to?
It's not quite that
out.
Sniping is a good tool for buyers, and you should learn to use it.
Regards,
Hugh
-Original Message-
From: Pedro Quaresma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 3:16 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Sniping
Jim Leonard wrote:
Hugh Falk wrote
Hugh Falk wrote:
True, that would have made the deal even better (As it is, I kept the
games, including the Starcross saucer, and sold the rest for about $600
more
than what I paid for it all). However, reserving a bid isn't always the
right thing to do either. I'll use myself as the example:
Pedro Quaresma wrote:
b) The highest bid was at $90. Some days before, Hugh spots the auction and
lets Chris know he's going for it. Chris hadn't noticed that auction before
Hugh pointed it out, so he drops it on Hugh's behalf. Hugh snipes for $200.
RESULT: Hugh takes the cake for $91
But
Jim Leonard wrote:
Pedro Quaresma wrote:
b) The highest bid was at $90. Some days before, Hugh spots the auction
and
lets Chris know he's going for it. Chris hadn't noticed that auction
before
Hugh pointed it out, so he drops it on Hugh's behalf. Hugh snipes for
$200.
RESULT: Hugh takes the
Jim Leonard wrote:
Pedro Quaresma wrote:
Let's say you tell me about a lot you plan to bid on. I hadn't seen it
yet.
So according to your plan I should back off. However, I run a standard
series of searches once a week, and let's say it would have found that
lot
as well. Does that mean
To Pedro:
Let's assume there's a complete Akalabeth, with an unknown reserve, and a
Buy It Now of $400. You place a bid, but the reserve isn't met. Now, would I
hesitate to use BIN? Oh no. To me the game is worth that much, and I would
buy it right away, even though you 'reserved' it by placing
Alexander Zoller wrote:
To Pedro:
Let's assume there's a complete Akalabeth, with an unknown reserve, and a
Buy It Now of $400. You place a bid, but the reserve isn't met. Now, would
I
hesitate to use BIN? Oh no. To me the game is worth that much, and I would
buy it right away, even though you
Pedro Quaresma wrote:
Maybe that's my problem, but, for me, it's not a matter of winning or
losing. I will not crawl over other collectors. Remember we're not talking
about sniping against one unknown guy or other. We're talking about sniping
and bidding against each other.
And that, I
, sure, I'll most
probably snipe him if I can :)
Hugh
-Original Message-
From: Pedro Quaresma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:41 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Sniping
Jim Leonard wrote:
Pedro Quaresma wrote:
b) The highest bid
. It is not worth the risk or effort. Just
bid what you're willing to pay, and it will all work out.
Hugh
-Original Message-
From: Pedro Quaresma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:16 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Sniping
Alexander Zoller
There is no price for friendship or respect from a friend collector :)
True! You are absolutely right. I think it's hard to determine a bidding
pattern or behaviour when it comes to competing with other collectors. Maybe
Akalabeth was a bad example, as it's an exceptionally coveted item. There
:
cc:
Assunto: RE: [SWCollect] Sniping
Pedro,
This is going to come across as harsh
Wow, I missed a lot today. Stupid business-use-only Internet rules...
Assuming the rest of you haven't already beaten the subject to death, let me
add my own thoughts here. I can understand where Pedro is coming from,
though I disagree with his view. Let me use an extreme example to
(glances sideways at C. E. Forman) Well, *almost* all of us... ;-)
Heh, I totally deserve this. B-)
But it does beg the question... Is it not equally greedy of the rest of the
abandonware scene to just *expect* me to open my prize shrinkwrap, taking a
chance that the disk has already gone
1) Buyers who don't really put their maximum bid on the line. If you try
to get a title at a bargain, and aren't willing to pony up your true
maximum, you are likely to get out-sniped. Solution -- put your true
maximum, then you don't have to worry about snipers. You'll either get
it,
or
Now what do I mean by reserving an auction? First, my most (and not
mine
only) important policy: I never bid against friends, period. I usually
reserve my auctions by making a low bid (I'm not famous, so I'm sure
nobody stalks my name), then going for a snipe when/if possible.
Optionally,
Pedro Quaresma wrote:
Sniping is very useful indeed. Most probably will save you a lot of money
and, as Chris mentioned, will prevent others from stalking your username.
But...
Consider for example the amount of cash that Hugh (IIRC it was Hugh) lost
for that Apple auction because
C.E. Forman wrote:
Consider yourselves warned. B-)
No skin off my back. Like I said, it all comes down to maximum bids.
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: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 3:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Sniping
Pedro Quaresma wrote:
Sniping is very useful indeed. Most probably will save you a lot of money
and, as Chris mentioned, will prevent others from stalking your
username.
But...
Consider for example
Hugh Falk wrote:
Just for the record. Chris and I both sniped about the same time (just a
few seconds left). I ended up winning because my max bid was higher. Like
Jim said, that's what it really came down to.
Isn't that all it ever comes down to?
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The
going up for a
few more days. I'll keep you posted.
Hugh
-Original Message-
From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 1:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Sniping
Hugh Falk wrote:
Speaking of more sniping. Here's one C.E. and I both
Chris Newman wrote:
My peak lunacy was bidding $2500 for a flown-to-the-moon flag, framed by
the crew of Apollo XIV. Fortunately I was outbid...
What did it finally go for?
My birthdate is August 1st, 1971. For bonus points, can you tell me
what Apollo-related date of significance that is?
Chris Newman boldly stated:
My peak lunacy
Ouch, bad pun!
was bidding $2500 for a flown-to-the-moon flag, framed by
the crew of Apollo XIV.
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Wanted: Vintage Pac-M*n necktie
(The asterisk is to
C.E. Forman wrote:
How did you get your bid in exactly 3 seconds before auction end?
Because I'm very, very good. B-)
Actually I just do the standard procedure: Two windows open, one with a
place bid button at the ready, the second my refresh window (with graphics
turned off so it
C.E. Forman wrote:
There are snipe services, such as VRane.com and eSnipe.com, that will
I bought 500 points on eSnipe last night and started a watch on two
items.
connect to eBay a specified number of seconds before the auction's close and
bid on your behalf. You have to give them your
Jim Leonard wrote:
Chris Newman wrote:
My peak lunacy was bidding $2500 for a flown-to-the-moon flag, framed by
the crew of Apollo XIV. Fortunately I was outbid...
What did it finally go for?
I think it sold for close to $3000. What makes it tragic, and also a good
indication of how
Chris Newman wrote:
what he paid three grand for. The frame was rotted, the statement of authenticity
signed by the crew was covered with moth holes, as was the flag, and the flag was
stained! It looked like it was baked in the Florida sunlight for 30 years.
Aren't you glad you lost the bid
Chris Newman wrote:
Speaking of sniping...
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1266370886
How did you get your bid in exactly 3 seconds before auction end?
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The world's most comprehensive gaming database project.
Hugh Falk wrote:
Speaking of more sniping. Here's one C.E. and I both sniped recently. He
lives even more dangerously than I...he bid 1 second later than me (6
seconds before close) :-)
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1260285866
However, if he wasn't involved, I
Jim Leonard boldly stated:
It sounds like you run a lot of searches. Ebay will only let me store
15 saved searches; is there any way to queue up a lot of searches
(more than 15) and run them every few days?
I used to maintain a private page at my web site for eBay searches. It
consisted of a
Lee K. Seitz wrote:
I haven't had much time for eBay lately, but I think it's up to date
with their current search forms. I can send it to you (or post it
here), if anyone's interested.
I'd be curious to see it, thanks.
4.) eBay provides a feature allowing you to save up to 15
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 08/29/2001 11:18:36 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Geezus, you *both* paid too much for this. I value the entire thing at
$250, tops.
Well no, I won't say what makes it worth more but it IS worth more than the
final
Jim,
You realize you've achived the perfect Zen state to not let ebay consume you. Not
everyone is so calm about it! Good for you. I try to do what you do -- I force
myself to walk away because I'll keep increasing my bids and wind up spending 40%
more than I had planned. Way to go.
Jim Leonard
Jim Leonard boldly stated:
Lee K. Seitz wrote:
I haven't had much time for eBay lately, but I think it's up to date
with their current search forms. I can send it to you (or post it
here), if anyone's interested.
I'd be curious to see it, thanks.
Sent in private e-mail.
you're not hard
It sounds like you run a lot of searches. Ebay will only let me store
15 saved searches; is there any way to queue up a lot of searches
(more than 15) and run them every few days?
Not automatically through eBay. I think you can have eBay mail you the
results of 3 saved searches daily or
How did you get your bid in exactly 3 seconds before auction end?
Because I'm very, very good. B-)
Actually I just do the standard procedure: Two windows open, one with a
place bid button at the ready, the second my refresh window (with graphics
turned off so it loads faster). Hit Ctrl-R
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1260285866
Geezus, you *both* paid too much for this. I value the entire thing at
$250, tops.
That's probably because the auction text doesn't mention that the Starcross
game is the saucer package. Hugh and I both asked, but the seller
Chris Newman wrote:
You realize you've achived the perfect Zen state to not let ebay consume you. Not
everyone is so calm about it! Good for you. I try to do what you do -- I force
myself to walk away because I'll keep increasing my bids and wind up spending 40%
more than I had planned. Way
On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, Jim Leonard wrote:
[snip]
1. Why do you snipe when you can just enter in a maximum and walk away?
* If you bid early, and you bid primarily on game software, bidding early
says loud and clear, look! cool stuff! (I actually find some of the
stuff I get by searching
In a message dated 08/28/2001 2:00:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
PS: This is an honest curious question -- I'm not mad that someone
out-sniped me or anything. The goal of these questions is not to talk
badly about sniping, but to try to understand why it exists
In a message dated 08/28/2001 2:00:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
2. If you lose a bid due to someone else sniping you, do you get
angry/frustrated?
Oh yes I can by the way, especially if it happens quite a few times by the
same person with a fast connect, one guy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also it prevents shilling (sp)?
THIS is the first valid reason I've seen *for* sniping. However, it
works both ways -- if someone is going to employ a shill, won't the
shill just bid the minimum amount the seller wants for the item as his
maximum bid? Just a
In a message dated 08/28/2001 2:39:22 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
THIS is the first valid reason I've seen *for* sniping. However, it
works both ways -- if someone is going to employ a shill, won't the
shill just bid the minimum amount the seller wants for the item
In a message dated 08/28/2001 2:36:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* If you bid early, and you bid primarily on game software, bidding early
says loud and clear, look! cool stuff! (I actually find some of the
stuff I get by searching for certain early-bidders.
Alexander Zoller wrote:
Why do you snipe when you can just enter in a maximum and walk away?
Because placing my maximum bid days before the auction ends may result
in newbie bidders nibbling away at my bid, thus driving up the price.
Bidding at the last possible moment ensures that nobody
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 08/28/2001 2:37:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How can you tell they were testing it and not honestly bidding for the
item?
Well usually a person has a max around a round figure, say $100 for fun.
Someone will
are assured of either getting the item or at the very least
only having to bid your true maximum.
Hugh
-Original Message-
From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 5:36 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Sniping
Stephen S. Lee wrote
On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Jim Leonard wrote:
Stephen S. Lee wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, Jim Leonard wrote:
[snip]
1. Why do you snipe when you can just enter in a maximum and walk away?
* If you bid early, and you bid primarily on game software, bidding early
says loud and clear,
Jim, I know you said you had all the info you wanted on sniping, but I'll
share my experience anyway if anyone cares to listen.
When I first arrived on eBay, I was a total newbie. Saw something I liked,
stuck a bid on it. Not necessarily the max I'd go, I was still feeling out
the system.
On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Jim Leonard wrote:
[snip]
Maybe this leads into another question: I would like to watch several
auctions to see what happens to them, but doing so manually is a chore.
Is there a (free) service or piece of software that will let me set up
auctions to watch?
What's
C.E. Forman wrote:
to an item. The snipe is the ultimate example of this tactic. It works
great for poorly listed items (Suspected Face-Mask Game by Info-Com) that
Hey, just how *do* you find poorly-listed items? I've found stuff
purely by accident that was mis-named just as badly as the
Stephen S. Lee wrote:
On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Jim Leonard wrote:
[snip]
Maybe this leads into another question: I would like to watch several
auctions to see what happens to them, but doing so manually is a chore.
Is there a (free) service or piece of software that will let me set up
Hey, just how *do* you find poorly-listed items? I've found stuff
purely by accident that was mis-named just as badly as the above AND was
totally mis-categorized (it was under Magazines -- I'm not kidding). I
found it almost completely randomly, but do you guys actually search for
these
On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Jim Leonard wrote:
Stephen S. Lee wrote:
On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Jim Leonard wrote:
[snip]
Maybe this leads into another question: I would like to watch several
auctions to see what happens to them, but doing so manually is a chore.
Is there a (free) service or
Speaking of sniping...
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1266370886
ha ha ha
C.E. Forman wrote:
Hey, just how *do* you find poorly-listed items? I've found stuff
purely by accident that was mis-named just as badly as the above AND was
totally mis-categorized (it was
Speaking of sniping...
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1266370886
ha ha ha
C.E. Forman wrote:
Hey, just how *do* you find poorly-listed items? I've found stuff
purely by accident that was mis-named just as badly as the above AND was
totally mis-categorized (it was
Speaking of sniping...
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1266370886
ha ha ha
C.E. Forman wrote:
Hey, just how *do* you find poorly-listed items? I've found stuff
purely by accident that was mis-named just as badly as the above AND was
totally mis-categorized (it was
46 new messages, 44 from this list, its unlikely I'll contribute any new
insight. But for the record, I'll snip anything except when the auction
ends when I can't be in front of my PC. Anyway:
- I use the watch list so people don't search for my bids
- I also use the watch list to cut back
46 new messages, 44 from this list, its unlikely I'll contribute any new
insight. But for the record, I'll snip anything except when the auction
ends when I can't be in front of my PC. Anyway:
- I use the watch list so people don't search for my bids
- I also use the watch list to cut back
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