Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Rename wiki status "Approved" to "Published"

2015-04-05 Thread Dan S
2015-04-05 7:16 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt : > On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On 5/04/2015 8:12 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: >> >> This mailing list community veers toward nit picking and bike shedding, >> and tends to block rather than guide forward change. It

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Rename wiki status "Approved" to "Published"

2015-04-03 Thread Dan S
2015-04-03 10:22 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt : > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:21 PM, François Lacombe > wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> +1 with Bryce and "published" instead of "approved" >> +1 with Ole regarding power features >> >> Cheers >> François > > > So let's see if we can make it happen. The questi

Re: [Tagging] [OT] Licensing of information from websites

2015-03-31 Thread Dan S
2015-03-31 12:51 GMT+01:00 Andrew Guertin : >> I wonder that nobody so far did spell out a warning about adding >> information from websites. The simple key website=* is ok, but every >> information like address, prizes and all the amenities is most of the >> time not usable due to license problems

Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

2015-03-23 Thread Dan S
Yes they can. Probably best to try it out - sorry that you're stuck outside of it at the moment! 2015-03-23 18:36 GMT+00:00 AYTOUN RALPH : > The next question is > > The results of the graph are based on the response of the person when they > post their comment. This affects the result of the

Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

2015-03-23 Thread Dan S
I don't know if I need to say this, but Ralph, Andre, please could you send report your problems to the loomio people? You do that here: https://github.com/loomio/loomio/issues Dan 2015-03-23 16:42 GMT+00:00 AYTOUN RALPH : > Well, I guess I am also out of this. Needs me to log in to make a commen

Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

2015-03-23 Thread Dan S
Swarthout : > I'll second the notion that we need something better than the current > system. It is an anachronism! > > My first look at Loomio was good, I was impressed, but my immediate thought > was, it'll never get accepted into OSM > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:57 AM

Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

2015-03-22 Thread Dan S
It's interesting. I hadn't realised it's open-source too, so osm could run its own version of it if we wanted to. Dan 2015-03-20 22:38 GMT+00:00 Kotya Karapetyan : > Dear all, > > In an attempt to find a better tool for our proposal discussions, Loomio has > been mentioned. At the very first glan

Re: [Tagging] List v Forum - was Accepted or rejected?

2015-03-20 Thread Dan S
2015-03-20 11:50 GMT+00:00 althio : > >> >> I use Stack Exchange a lot and it's great, very well designed for its >> >> purpose. BUT Stack Exchange is not designed for community decision >> >> making. There are tools/forums that are actually designed for that >> >> purpose. > >> > 1) Can you point

Re: [Tagging] List v Forum - was Accepted or rejected?

2015-03-20 Thread Dan S
2015-03-19 22:42 GMT+00:00 Kotya Karapetyan : > On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Dan S wrote: >> >> I use Stack Exchange a lot and it's great, very well designed for its >> purpose. BUT Stack Exchange is not designed for community decision >> making. There ar

Re: [Tagging] List v Forum - was Accepted or rejected?

2015-03-19 Thread Dan S
I use Stack Exchange a lot and it's great, very well designed for its purpose. BUT Stack Exchange is not designed for community decision making. There are tools/forums that are actually designed for that purpose. Also I don't think Stack Exchange themselves would want to host an OSM tagging area,

Re: [Tagging] Revisiting proposal/voting scheme

2015-03-19 Thread Dan S
2015-03-18 23:56 GMT+00:00 David Bannon : > Kotya, in no way was I criticising the leadership you have shown in this > matter ! > > Its just that I preferred Dan's approach. Key IMHO is - > > * A proposal gets to wiki in much the same manner as now. > > * Once on the wiki, instead of a formal vote

Re: [Tagging] Revisiting proposal/voting scheme

2015-03-18 Thread Dan S
2015-03-18 21:58 GMT+00:00 David Bannon : > On Wed, 2015-03-18 at 21:40 +0100, Kotya Karapetyan wrote: > >> . would it make sense to change the current proposal/voting >> mechanism like follows? > >> - When the discussion calms down (which can even be defined >> mathematically if needed),

Re: [Tagging] Accepted or rejected?

2015-03-14 Thread Dan S
Hi, No, I think it means what it says. Or at least, I think we have treated it that way for a long while. When there is very low interest (i.e. very few votes) - which is pretty common - then even one dissenting vote is enough to make us step back and think again, whereas if there are enough vote

Re: [Tagging] Buildings blocks

2015-03-12 Thread Dan S
2015-03-11 12:06 GMT+00:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > 2015-03-11 12:56 GMT+01:00 Jean-Marc Liotier : >> >> As you can see, each block is subdivided into land plots - each with a >> courtyard and several buildings that usually all belong to an extended >> family. Those land plots have a strong signif

Re: [Tagging] Blatant tagging for the renderer: bridges & abandoned railways

2015-03-09 Thread Dan S
2015-03-09 16:18 GMT+00:00 ael : >> The edits you did can be described as (semi-)vandalism. > > That sort of comment is unworthy of OSM. I did the surveys. Very > carefully. I tagged corectly as far as I knew at the time. >[...] > Your sort of comment to someone who has contributed years of sol

Re: [Tagging] ?=maze

2015-02-19 Thread Dan S
Yes Mateusz, +1 from me, sounds good - Dan 2015-02-19 8:00 GMT+00:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > I think that attraction=maze is better than attraction:type (shorter, > without colon, "type" is not > really adding anything useful, clear detailing of tourism=attraction). > > 2015-02-19 3:59 GMT+01:00 Bry

Re: [Tagging] building=yes on nodes?

2015-02-16 Thread Dan S
All building=* on nodes is fine. As others have pointed out, it is often necessary in HOT aerial mapping when we have low-resolution imagery to work from. Also, for humanitarian purposes there are serious uses for node-only buildings, for estimating the population or the population distribution in

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reception Desk

2015-02-06 Thread Dan S
Hi, No big objections from me, sounds useful. However it occurs to me that it would be useful to have some way of indicating _what_ it is the reception for. For example, if it was part of a "site" relation*, then a role like role=reception would connect it to the larger entity in a meaningful way

Re: [Tagging] Ethnic shops

2015-01-28 Thread Dan S
2015-01-28 18:52 GMT+00:00 Eric SIBERT : > I started modifying the wiki following our recent discussion. > > For cuisine=*, I added: > "May also apply to other services that deliver food, like convenience." > > For shop=convenience, I added (in Tags used in combination): > "Stores selling specific

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-22 Thread Dan S
2015-01-22 6:53 GMT+00:00 Marc Gemis : > It seems like the German community started some voting process on the > deprecation of the associatedStreet-relation (it was on the mailing list and > on the forum). > > Discussion is going on on the wiki > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Relation:ass

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Dan S
Now you're insulting the one person who was supporting you? Please STOP this thread everyone. Please. 2015-01-21 8:55 GMT+00:00 Никита : >> Just because one can use a regular expression to grep out a certain >> meaning doesn't mean it's a good thing to do and will always work > We easily revert th

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addrN:*

2015-01-18 Thread Dan S
2015-01-18 20:52 GMT+00:00 Markus Lindholm : > On 17 January 2015 at 22:16, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: >> With the addrN schema, we need one object (a node tagged shop=* and >> addrN:*=*) for a shop. >> With the provides_feature relation we need one node for the shop, one node >> for each address,

Re: [Tagging] Tagging road illumination quality

2015-01-16 Thread Dan S
Hi - Yes, it's useful to go beyond lit=yes and lit=no. Some of those suggestions such as "poor" and "sufficient" are too subjective, as I think you already acknowledge. Not only are they value judgments but they depend on the user's perspective and needs, so please do try to avoid them. Some of t

Re: [Tagging] Ethnic shops

2015-01-16 Thread Dan S
That's not a flaw - you've already given the solution in your own email: > Basically you want to label restaurants/shops only if they offer something > different from what's the typical local fare. 2015-01-16 13:23 GMT+00:00 Volker Schmidt : > This, and already the existing tagging for restaur

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addrN:*

2015-01-16 Thread Dan S
2015-01-15 23:48 GMT+00:00 Friedrich Volkmann : > On 15.01.2015 13:10, Dan S wrote: >> The addrN scheme is really quite awkward > > Can you explain why you find it awkward? > > It seems to me that the displeasure felt with the addrN scheme is caused by > a phenomenon calle

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addrN:*

2015-01-15 Thread Dan S
2015-01-15 11:53 GMT+00:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > 2015-01-15 12:43 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić : >> >> With addrN:*=* it's clear that the same place has two addresses. If there >> are two nodes, it seems like there are two places (Two entrances, two >> apartments, two rooms), each with it's own addr

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Changeset messaging & Notes feature question

2015-01-09 Thread Dan S
This appears to be nothing to do with "tagging" - you've presumably sent to this list by mistake... 2015-01-09 12:12 GMT+00:00 Dave F. : > On 01/01/2015 00:39, Tom Hughes wrote: >> >> On 01/01/15 00:36, Dave F. wrote: >> >>> I'm struggling to comprehend how a button to turn off the notes layer, >>

Re: [Tagging] pre-RFC: relation type=cluster/group

2015-01-06 Thread Dan S
Oh, sorry, I see you mention it in the proposal. Still I don't see what would be bad about using "site" for the examples in your proposal, but I'll leave that there since you presumably feel differently. Dan 2015-01-06 10:18 GMT+00:00 Dan S : > Hi - > > Does relati

Re: [Tagging] pre-RFC: relation type=cluster/group

2015-01-06 Thread Dan S
Hi - Does relation=site help? It sounds to me like a very similar concept: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Site Best Dan 2015-01-06 10:36 GMT+00:00 Friedrich Volkmann : > I was going to write a proposal for relation type=cluster > (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Cluster

Re: [Tagging] Mapping of kids areas

2014-12-15 Thread Dan S
Hi, The obvious question is: why not using leisure=playground? Since the definition in the first link you give says "an area where kids can play". Dan 2014-12-15 10:51 GMT+00:00 Dmitry Kiselev : > Hi > > We have > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Amenity_features#kids_area.3Dno.2Findoor.2Foutd

Re: [Tagging] Combining gas stations & convenience stores

2014-12-05 Thread Dan S
Hi - It doesn't make sense to me to have a specific tag for "fuel and convenience". Maybe I misunderstand you. I would say, keep copying the addresses! There are lots of situations where multiple co-located items have the same address, e.g. a small post office inside a supermarket. If you invented

Re: [Tagging] Pathways with steep vertical slopes, accessed via climbing chains

2014-11-04 Thread Dan S
Hi - I don't have a direct answer I'm afraid. But please try not to think about "what gets rendered" - the default style shown on the osm.org homepage is just one of hundreds of rendering styles that are used. If there are existing tags in use, great, whether or not they show on the osm.org render

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-04 Thread Dan S
One of the most important differences is that for highway=footway, we know that pedestrians are allowed (unless other tags alter the access explicitly). With highway=path we can't always assume that pedestrians are allowed along it. I know there are routing systems that care about this difference.

Re: [Tagging] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.23.0

2014-10-29 Thread Dan S
Frederik, The tagging and the wiki have been that way for many years. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bed_and_breakfast I share your discomfort, since I think of a B&B as a different thing from a guesthouse. But over the years I've ended up using this tagging since it's documented and appears

Re: [Tagging] Default maxspeed unit on waterways

2014-10-29 Thread Dan S
2014-10-29 14:07 GMT+00:00 Pieren : > On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: >> km/h is derived, at least with an integer multiple of seconds, >> from SI units. mph and knots are not. I would prefer to keep >> one default unit per tag, consistently, everything else leads >> to confusi

Re: [Tagging] cleanup of the key natural

2014-10-07 Thread Dan S
Hi Martin, OK, well since you requested comments: Firstly, I find it difficult to understand what makes your proposed split more "coherent" or "easy to learn" than thewiki- grouping that you propose to revert! By the way please don't start a revert battle without first talking to that editor. Sec

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-10-03 Thread Dan S
2014-10-03 18:14 GMT+01:00 Tom Pfeifer : > Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2014-10-03 15:32: >> >> 2014-10-03 15:19 GMT+02:00 Tom Pfeifer: >> >> I feel the need for a landuse tag for governmental / administrative >> use, >> maybe in the context of further civic use. >> >> We do have office

Re: [Tagging] Retag: craft=sweep => craft=chimney_sweep

2014-10-03 Thread Dan S
2014-10-03 12:06 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > 2014-10-03 12:58 GMT+02:00 Tom Pfeifer : >> >> I agree that craft=chimney_sweep is less ambiguous than =sweep >> alone, and with currently 24 instances in taginfo it would be a >> good time to change wiki and tags. > +1 Yes, fine, I would say.

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-22 Thread Dan S
2014-09-22 7:29 GMT+01:00 Stephan Knauss : > On 21.09.2014 11:04, Dan S wrote: >> >> It looks like there's this tag, including a tag suggested for your >> specific issue: >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmassage > > please don't use

[Tagging] RFC: Student accommodation building

2014-09-21 Thread Dan S
Hi all, Following the tagging conversation about student accommodation buildings, I created a proposal wiki page, to document the different tagging perspectives, and maybe one day work towards half a consensus ;) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Student_accommodation_building

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - residential=gated

2014-09-21 Thread Dan S
Hi all, Motivated by the discussion around residential=* sub-tagging, I thought it would be useful to get a bit more clarity, by taking some existing sub-tagging and putting it through RFC. Here is a proposal for residential=gated: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/residential%

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-21 Thread Dan S
s taking place in these establishments (for > example, you won't do shop=convenience+marijuana=yes in most parts of > the world). > > How about something like a combination of: > amenity=massage_parlour > male=yes > female=no > min_age=21 > > This should be quite accurate.

Re: [Tagging] University accommodation (was Re: Future proposal - RFC - amenity=dormitory)

2014-09-21 Thread Dan S
2014-09-19 16:15 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > 2014-09-19 14:22 GMT+02:00 Dan S : > >> >> for buildings: building=residential + residential=university + >> operator=* >> OR >> for sites: landuse=residential + residential=university + ope

Re: [Tagging] University accommodation (was Re: Future proposal - RFC - amenity=dormitory)

2014-09-21 Thread Dan S
2014-09-21 0:49 GMT+01:00 Eugene Alvin Villar : > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 7:09 AM, wrote: >> >> Dormitories are rooms with multiple beds, usually bunk beds and associated >> with youth hostels, certainly not suitable for student accommodation where >> there is typically one student in a room, may

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-21 Thread Dan S
Hi - It looks like there's this tag, including a tag suggested for your specific issue: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmassage Best Dan 2014-09-21 4:23 GMT+01:00 Mishari Muqbil : > Hi, > > Thailand has these places called "entertainment complexes"[1] that > offers bathing + massa

Re: [Tagging] University accommodation (was Re: Future proposal - RFC - amenity=dormitory)

2014-09-20 Thread Dan S
2014-09-19 15:52 GMT+01:00 Tobias Knerr : > On 19.09.2014 14:22 Dan S wrote: >> for buildings: building=residential + residential=university + operator=* >> OR >> for sites: landuse=residential + residential=university + operator=* >> >> Note that th

[Tagging] University accommodation (was Re: Future proposal - RFC - amenity=dormitory)

2014-09-19 Thread Dan S
Hi all, I have been fixing some university tagging (Sheffield contained hundreds of amenity=university!). For student accommodation, I have been using for buildings: building=residential + residential=university + operator=* OR for sites: landuse=residential + residential=university

Re: [Tagging] default value for "oneway"

2014-08-28 Thread Dan S
2014-08-28 14:45 GMT+01:00 Xavier Noria : > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Dave F. wrote: > >> I wish people in OSM would stop making things up, believing it makes their >> point of view stronger. > > What? > > I am not assuming one-way would be a better default. Nor I am assuming > anything abo

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-08-24 Thread Dan S
Hi Christian, As I've already mentioned, in the other thread we discussed a disambiguation. I would suggest that if you find only addr:housenumber=265-269 then you can't really assume any interpolation, and I would argue that even transforming it to "265" and "269" is going beyond what the dat

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-08-24 Thread Dan S
2014-08-24 11:24 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann : > On 18.08.2014 22:36, Janko Mihelić wrote: >> What happens when the same entrance has two housenumbers, each from its own >> street? I'm sure this exists somewhere. > > The housenumber belongs on the building or building part, not the > entrance(s).

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-08-24 Thread Dan S
2014-08-24 11:05 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann : > On 20.08.2014 10:18, Holger Jeromin wrote: >> Andreas Labres wrote on 20.08.2014 04:10: >>> On 19.08.14 23:17, fly wrote: but 265-267 is wrong >> >> Read as "tagging 265-267 alone is wrong". >> >>> Disagree. addr:housenumber is the official num

Re: [Tagging] Ambiguous surface=wood

2014-08-22 Thread Dan S
I'd say it's very rare that "wood" could be interpreted as possibly meaning "woodchip". Woodchip has very different material properties, and different affordances for travellers. A little bit like saying "wood" might mean "sawdust" ;) surface=woodchip is used more often than surface=woodchips, tho

Re: [Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

2014-08-20 Thread Dan S
2014-08-20 11:11 GMT+01:00 Ilpo Järvinen : > On Wed, 20 Aug 2014, Will Phillips wrote: > >> On 20/08/2014 00:02, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> > > Il giorno 19/ago/2014, alle ore 23:45, Will Phillips >> > > ha >> > > scritto: >> > > >> > > I find that by far the most time consuming part of survey

Re: [Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

2014-08-20 Thread Dan S
Hi, Thanks all for your thoughts. Will and Holger seem to have the same approach as me, which gives me the confidence to edit the wiki and at least document this approach: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Addresses#Buildings_with_multiple_house_numbers Hopefully I've done it in a way which won'

[Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

2014-08-18 Thread Dan S
Hi taggers, When mapping recently, I encountered many addresses which contain multiple housenumbers behind single entrances. I've used interpolation before, and used it in the "traditional" sense to map a range along a row of houses. But here we have an interpolated range on a single object, not s

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-08-18 Thread Dan S
2014-08-18 15:04 GMT+01:00 fly : > Hey > > On the English wiki page [1] "comma" is the proposed separator for > several values of addr:housenumber. > > This contradicts our rule of using "semi-colon" as separator of values > and I do not have a clue why. Probably led by what users are already doin

Re: [Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

2014-08-14 Thread Dan S
2014-08-14 12:01 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann : > On 14.08.2014 07:29, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >> I added to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cave#Tagging_in_OSM how >> these may be mapped > > Given that you want to discuss wiki changes, you should start the discussion > before you actually do t

Re: [Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

2014-08-14 Thread Dan S
2014-08-14 11:40 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > 2014-08-14 12:31 GMT+02:00 Martin Vonwald : > >> 2014-08-14 12:25 GMT+02:00 André Pirard : >>> >>> On 2014-08-14 11:08, Janko Mihelić wrote : >>> >>> Well first, tunnel=yes is obviously wrong. We need to replace this with >>> cave=yes. Other than tha

Re: [Tagging] Climbing access path

2014-08-08 Thread Dan S
2014-08-08 10:21 GMT+01:00 k4r573n : > On 07.08.2014 12:05, Tom Pfeifer wrote: >> If I understand Karsten correctly, the limitation is not about payment, >> it is to limit the number of people using this path. This would be >> typical for climbing crags in >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cons

Re: [Tagging] Climbing access path

2014-08-07 Thread Dan S
The sac_scale is about difficulty, not permission. I assume from Karsten's original message that only climbers are permitted to use those paths. If so, then access=customers is appropriate, and customers=climbers seems helpful... Dan 2014-08-07 9:50 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis : > Wouldn't it be better

Re: [Tagging] Research laboratory

2014-08-05 Thread Dan S
Hi Pierre-Alain, That's a good question. I thought I'd search a couple of names to see how they are tagged. Here is a selection: INRIA (in France): * office=research http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2529263700 * office=government http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/124838923 * landuse=commercia

Re: [Tagging] seafood vs fishmonger (was Re: Synonymous values in the shop key)

2014-07-31 Thread Dan S
2014-07-31 11:02 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > >> Am 31/lug/2014 um 10:27 schrieb Holger Jeromin : >> >> The voting was performed "using the extended "North-American definition" >> - there including fresh water": >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/seafood_shop >> >> So i

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:leisure=gym

2014-07-30 Thread Dan S
2014-07-30 21:17 GMT+01:00 Andreas Goss : > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/leisure%3Dgym > > As far as I could see nobody touched this topic for quite some time so I > created a new proposal as this seems to be how native speakers use the word > today. It was also how native

Re: [Tagging] How to tag road junction names and traffic signal names?

2014-07-24 Thread Dan S
If place=hamlet is wrong, I believe place=locality is often used as a generic tag for nodes indicating named locations. Not really a solution but a simple option. Dan 2014-07-24 17:01 GMT+01:00 Lukas Sommer : > Yes, I know that junction=yes works fine for simple crossroads. My question > is: How

Re: [Tagging] Change in rendering in Mapnik of Nature Reserves.

2014-07-23 Thread Dan S
Hi Dave, Not really an issue for the "tagging" mailing list - I don't think the people who maintain the style are on here. If you're talking about the main osm.org style then it's "openstreetmap-carto", maintained here: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/ If you believe there's an

Re: [Tagging] RFC: crossing=* (was: highway=speed_camera equivalent for non-speed enforcement types)

2014-07-22 Thread Dan S
2014-07-22 10:43 GMT+01:00 André Pirard : > > On 2014-07-22 11:01, Jo wrote : > I have mentioned without much follow-up a similar issue with highway=crossing > + crossing=*. > What OSM calls "crossing", zebra stripes, is in fact a "passage pour piétons" > which does not necessarily cross. Why do

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-07-10 Thread Dan S
Thanks for your work Mateusz! 2014-07-10 10:21 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : >> Am 10/lug/2014 um 11:19 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer : >> >> I'd be careful with fishmonger vs seafood (is the latter OK for someone who >> only sells fresh water fish?) > > also shop=fish might be used for pets (fis

Re: [Tagging] MyPlace self-storage facilities

2014-07-04 Thread Dan S
I notice there are also 209 amenity=storage: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/compare/amenity=storage/shop=storage/shop=storage_units/shop=self_storage Though I can't guarantee they refer to these self-storage places (could be private storage if not shop?), some of the UK items definitely are. And

Re: [Tagging] Where do source tags belong?

2014-06-26 Thread Dan S
2014-06-26 12:44 GMT+01:00 André Pirard : > Hi, I wonder if this phrase without an explanation link > contains appropriate > instructions (or just press news): > > *Since the introduction of changesets these tags are often added as > changeset

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-18 Thread Dan S
2014-06-18 15:35 GMT+02:00 Richard Welty : > On 6/18/14 8:28 AM, Florian Schäfer wrote: >> What about the homepage of the city [1]? There it says that "The actual >> name comes from the fact that our town site on a strip of Cherokee land >> famous for the Oklahoma Land Run. The name stands for *Ind

Re: [Tagging] Signal-controlled roundabouts

2014-06-13 Thread Dan S
Roundabouts like this sometimes (in Britain) have "part time traffic lights". So, some times of day it is a true roundabout, and some times of day it is a circle of road with traffic signals! I don't know the one you linked, to but it's possible that is what is going on here. Dan 2014-06-13 16:54

Re: [Tagging] highway=track access

2014-06-05 Thread Dan S
2014-06-05 21:31 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić : > 2014-06-05 17:25 GMT+02:00 Greg Troxel : >> >> As for style, I mean something as simple as dashed casings when unpaved, >> similar to a lot of exiting road maps. I don't think this adds clutter >> - there will just be a few pixels missing, and most peop

Re: [Tagging] turning layers off

2014-06-05 Thread Dan S
(not a "tagging" question really, but) Top tip: Ctrl-W in JOSM ("wireframe mode") makes areas show as outlines rather than tinted areas. Dan 2014-06-05 15:50 GMT+01:00 Matthijs Melissen : > Yes, in JOSM, you can use the Filters window. > > -- Matthijs > > On 5 June 2014 15:46, Tom Gertin wrote

Re: [Tagging] Wiki edits, building tags on nodes versus areas

2014-06-04 Thread Dan S
2014-06-04 18:03 GMT+01:00 bulwersator : > I guess that push toward tagging POI as nodes is result of fact that in some > situations only nodes are processed properly (at least that is why I tag new > features in this way). I don't think it's a good idea to adapt your tagging practices to suit sys

Re: [Tagging] cleanup broken import "fix"

2014-05-28 Thread Dan S
If I understand right you should probably ask imports@ not tagging@ about making bulk edits, even if they're to fix bulk edits! Best Dan 2014-05-28 21:53 GMT+01:00 malenki : > Recently I found some 10.000 (one of two changesets contained 38k) > objects tagged like this:¹ > | gnis:fcode=39004 > |

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 Thread Dan S
2014-05-15 10:00 GMT+01:00 Jean-Marc Liotier : > Well... Private messages tell me that boules might be popular outside of > France, so here is a translation for a more international debate... > > According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:sport%3Dboules a > petanque pitch (leisure=pitch) i

Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?

2014-04-11 Thread Dan S
2014-04-11 19:14 GMT+01:00 Vincent Pottier : > Le 11/04/2014 19:38, Dan S a écrit : > >> 2014-04-11 18:20 GMT+01:00 Pieren : >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Tod Fitch wrote: >>> >>>>>> (2) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aa

Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?

2014-04-11 Thread Dan S
2014-04-11 18:20 GMT+01:00 Pieren : > On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Tod Fitch wrote: > (2) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aaccess%3Ddesignated >> >> This is how I understood and have used it. > > > This is what the wiki says: > "Note that access=designated is not defining what is

Re: [Tagging] Ticket for JOSM to read contact metadata closed

2014-04-02 Thread Dan S
2014-04-02 18:25 GMT+01:00 Andy Mabbett : > Not only was I disappointed to see this ticket: > >http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/9885 > > closed as "wontfix", but I don't understand the reason given: > >This format seems not to be used much. >Too much work for too little gain. > > not

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-01 Thread Dan S
2014-04-01 22:17 GMT+01:00 Tobias Knerr : > On 01.04.2014 19:04, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> I commend this proposal to the list: >> >>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Wikidata > > I like Wikidata and therefore want to see this proposal approved. :) > > What I'm interested in, t

Re: [Tagging] Issues relating to URIs and tagging

2014-04-01 Thread Dan S
Hi Andy, 2014-04-01 16:29 GMT+01:00 Andy Mabbett : > Hello everyone, > > This is my first post to the list, which I've just joined, but I've > been a mapper for a few years and some of you might remember me as > compere at last year's State of the Map. And well done indeed! > Yesterday, I met wi

Re: [Tagging] What is OSM: a base layer for individual maps, or a fully featured geobased information system?

2014-03-29 Thread Dan S
Hi - I'm afraid the answer is "neither". OSM is a database for geodata that is open-licensed, publicly verifiable and not short-term. This means it's more than just a base-layer. But it also means it's not a database for all possible geodata. We don't include holiday apartment reviews/ratings beca

Re: [Tagging] Fixing wrong opening_hours automatically

2014-03-07 Thread Dan S
2014-03-06 17:13 GMT+00:00 Robin `ypid` Schneider : > On 06.03.2014 10:47, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> 2014-03-05 21:25 GMT+01:00 Robin `ypid` Schneider : >> >>> There is no key öffnungszeiten, but yes it is only about the key >>> opening_hours. >>> As said before I am not going to change the mea

Re: [Tagging] Hot springs

2014-03-03 Thread Dan S
2014-03-03 12:53 GMT+00:00 nounours77 : > >> I have significantly changed >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hot_Spring >> with the intention to revive the proposal - thanks for any comments and >> enhancments. > > > Dear Richard, > > thanks for your initiative. I agree with

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

2014-02-25 Thread Dan S
Hi all, Well amenity=* has been something of a default choice in the past, so the definition is quite stretched from "community facilities" as the wiki puts it. There are some well-established tags that might be better as leisure=* or tourism=* if we were starting from scratch. So I'd suggest tour

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a public works facility ?

2014-02-19 Thread Dan S
Any reasons not to use landuse=depot? Besides the sparsity of its wiki page... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Ddepot 428 instances in taginfo 2014-02-19 16:27 GMT+00:00 Tod Fitch : > For what it is worth, in the area I live in such facilities seem to be called > "corporate yards

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a public works facility ?

2014-02-19 Thread Dan S
Hi - In the past I've seen people use landuse=depot http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Ddepot Dan 2014-02-19 9:06 GMT+00:00 Pieren : > It's a small area with several buildings where the municipality is > storing vehicles and the maintenance and repair services. Someone > suggests t

Re: [Tagging] Architectural Monuments - ideas?

2014-02-17 Thread Dan S
2014-02-17 12:58 GMT+00:00 nounours77 : > Dear Clifford, dear Pierren, > > thanks for your thoughts. Here some answers > > >> What/Who defines what is an Architectural Monument? When I think it is more >> along the lines of what Wikipedia [1] defines as a monument. > > No, I'm not (specifically) ta

Re: [Tagging] feature Proposal - RFC 2 - tourism = apartment

2014-02-16 Thread Dan S
2014-02-16 8:29 GMT+00:00 Philip Barnes : > On Sun, 2014-02-16 at 07:06 +0700, Dave Swarthout wrote: >> >I would prefer the plural tourism=apartments. >> >> >> I prefer singular because the plural term explicitly states that more >> than one unit is available to rent while the singular implies only

Re: [Tagging] Proposal - Voting finished - Gambling

2014-01-19 Thread Dan S
I do not disagree... the system is imperfect, but such is life. 2014/1/19 Chris Hill : > Which just shows, yet again, how phoney and pointless voting is. > > >> >>I don't have a strong opinion on the proposal, but no big objections, >>so I've just added my yes vote in order that the voting thresho

Re: [Tagging] Proposal - Voting finished - Gambling

2014-01-19 Thread Dan S
2014/1/19 Jörg Frings-Fürst : > Hallo, > > > On So, 2014-01-19 at 17:33 +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> 2014/1/19 Matthijs Melissen > [...] >> >> Actually this is a formal reason to extend the voting period according to >> our standards. Being personally one of the approvers I do not want to

Re: [Tagging] How to map holiday flats? New tag "tourism=holiday_flat" or extend existing "tourism=chalet"

2014-01-06 Thread Dan S
Sounds good to me too, nice and simple :) Dan 2014/1/6 Dave Swarthout : >> Personally I would go with tourism=apartment or apartments. > +1 > > On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> >> >> >> > Am 05/gen/2014 um 17:44 schrieb Dudley Ibbett >> > : >> > >> > Personally I w

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - trafficability

2014-01-03 Thread Dan S
Hi, It reminds me quite a lot of opening_hours http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours Would that be appropriate? Dan 2014/1/3 BGNO BGNO > > Hi, > > I am proposing a new key: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/trafficability > > Cheers > > BGNO > > ___

Re: [Tagging] How to map holiday flats? New tag "tourism=holiday_flat" or extend existing "tourism=chalet"

2014-01-03 Thread Dan S
2014/1/3 Richard Welty : > On 1/2/14 8:31 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: >> I think of the word "flat" as being distinctly British. I have only >> rarely heard the word "flat" used to describe and apartment in the >> U.S. When I first glanced at the beginning of this thread I thought >> the OP was refer

Re: [Tagging] how to tag a terrace?

2013-12-13 Thread Dan S
2013/12/13 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > 2013/12/13 Dan S >> >> "highway=pedestrian area, with [...] surface=paving_stones" seems to >> tag it pretty well to me. > > > > those tags aren't on the relation that represents the whole object though. &

Re: [Tagging] how to tag a terrace?

2013-12-13 Thread Dan S
2013/12/13 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > Am 13/dic/2013 um 13:37 schrieb Fabrizio Carrai : > > The final results is [1] a multypoligon the includes few components, > including: > > A highway=pedestrian area, with black and white tiles marked as > surface=paving_stones (that's the one with the terrace

Re: [Tagging] Topographic place names

2013-12-10 Thread Dan S
2013/12/10 Andrew Errington : > On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 19:26:55 Steve Bennett wrote: >> Hi all, >> My cycletouring map, http://cycletour.org, has been slowly morphing into >> a general topographic map[1]. One thing that's missing, though, is names >> for topographic features like mountain ranges, sp

Re: [Tagging] Mechanical edit - Voting - Musical instrument (reminder)

2013-12-09 Thread Dan S
2013/12/9 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > 2013/12/9 Matthijs Melissen >> >> Just to keep you up-to-date: the data working group has not responded >> yet to my request for approval of this mechanical edit. They have not >> indicated a time span they need to decide, or even acknowledged >> receipt, so at

Re: [Tagging] Propose the tag shop=military_surplus

2013-12-06 Thread Dan S
2013/12/6 Axelos : > Hello > > Le 05/12/2013 12:16, SomeoneElse a écrit : > >> Axelos wrote: >>> >>> >>> I proposed the tag shop=military_surplus for the shops selling used >>> military equipment. >>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Military_surplus >> >> >> If you think that it makes sense to t

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-28 Thread Dan S
2013/11/28 Egil Hjelmeland : > I have to my surprise not been able to find any established practice for > tagging webcams on internet. I am thinking of cameras that display a place, > so you can click in to see the weather, snow conditions and such. As a > service to the public, not to Big Brother.

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