Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of amenity from OSM tagging)

2015-05-19 Thread SomeoneElse
On 19/05/2015 11:50, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 19.05.2015 um 01:47 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: How about if first edits caused some sort of flag that experienced users see, and can welcome and thank the new user for registering and contributing. This is possible now, but

Re: [Tagging] Estate agent

2015-05-17 Thread SomeoneElse
On 17/05/2015 16:52, Paweł Marynowski wrote: Hi all, it looks like since 2010 there is no consensus about how to tag estate agent - shop vs. office. Quick look at taginfo gives clear information, that office=estate_agent is much more popular. Surely both are potentially valid? Some estate

Re: [Tagging] man_made=apiary or ?

2015-05-12 Thread SomeoneElse
On 12/05/2015 18:13, Anders Anker-Rasch wrote: Hi, first post on the tagging list so I'll try to be short. Apiary tagging is still in limbo - and has been so for some years now as I can see from the talk. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/apiary How can I get this

[Tagging] Gravel (was Re: Tagging Digest, Vol 68, Issue 35, and before that surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?)

2015-05-12 Thread SomeoneElse
On 12/05/2015 12:19, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-05-11 18:14 GMT+02:00 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com mailto:vosc...@gmail.com: I only now, after having lived for many years in the UK, I realise that the definition of gravel is wider than the equivalent of the German

Re: [Tagging] access tags (was contact: tags)

2015-05-11 Thread SomeoneElse
On 11/05/2015 09:42, André Pirard wrote: The problem is that if you don't find a phone number you may miss a phone call but that if you use wrong access or routing tags you will instantly have GPSes send cars, bikes or pedestrian on the wrong road. It's really difficult to have it understood

Re: [Tagging] access tags (was contact: tags)

2015-05-11 Thread SomeoneElse
, but for access tags (note the thread title) it is certainly not true - it is unlikely that anybody supports for example access:foot For my own use I've been doing it for a while, ever since (some) people started using it: https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/SomeoneElse-style/blob/master/style.lua

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-10 Thread SomeoneElse
Regardless of pebbles vs pebblestone, where did the distinction of gravel=sharp, pebblestone=rounded come from? Is there any way to easily see who first contributed a particular section of a wiki page? I'm not convinced that the wiki is documenting usage in OSM here. A bit like

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

2015-05-06 Thread SomeoneElse
On 06/05/2015 03:54, David Bannon wrote: Anyway, the issue is, perhaps confusion in some minds about =camp_site and =caravan_site. Most (but not all) camp_sites will also take caravans and RV's. But Tourism=caravan_site is for the caravan ONLY type of place. Here (in the UK) I'd

Re: [Tagging] inuse, defacto

2015-04-17 Thread SomeoneElse
On 17/04/2015 14:38, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: A more useful metric is how many different contributors used the tag. Is anyone aware of any analysis of who (or how many users) first used particular tags, or who (or how many users) accepted a tag by making a subsequent change to an object?

Re: [Tagging] Regional stylesheets for osm-carto (Was: rendering of local power lines)

2015-03-12 Thread SomeoneElse
On 12/03/2015 17:11, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: It's technically possible to divide that, at least along fairly coarse boundaries. (not that it's particularly relevant to the tagging list, but just in case anyone wasn't aware) that's what Mapquest already do:

Re: [Tagging] Regional stylesheets for osm-carto (Was: rendering of local power lines)

2015-03-12 Thread SomeoneElse
On 12/03/2015 21:11, John Willis wrote: On Mar 12, 2015, at 6:56 PM, SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk wrote: The standard map has an impossible job - trying to be a nice map This is true, and thanks for linking to the resources to set up the server for a special version. However, what I

Re: [Tagging] Regional stylesheets for osm-carto (Was: rendering of local power lines)

2015-03-12 Thread SomeoneElse
://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:SomeoneElse (4) https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/SomeoneElse-style (5) https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/openstreetmap-carto-AJT ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo

Re: [Tagging] Survey points

2015-03-11 Thread SomeoneElse
On 11/03/2015 10:23, Malcolm Herring wrote: On 11/03/2015 09:46, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: Care to review them ? I took a quick look at these objects the few that I examined were actually created as areas, rather than had been converted from a node. The most egregious example is this one:

Re: [Tagging] Blatant tagging for the renderer: bridges abandoned railways

2015-03-10 Thread SomeoneElse
On 10/03/2015 14:37, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: OSM apparently only cares about railways. No, no, no! OSM cares _passionately_ about semicolons: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2015-January/thread.html#21258 Cheers, Andy :) ___

Re: [Tagging] Blatant tagging for the renderer: bridges abandoned railways

2015-03-09 Thread SomeoneElse
On 09/03/2015 15:16, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 9 March 2015 at 15:06, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote: So is there a bug tracker that I have missed for the stylesheet? Yes, it was pointed out to you already: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/542

Re: [Tagging] Blatant tagging for the renderer: bridges abandoned railways

2015-03-09 Thread SomeoneElse
On 09/03/2015 14:22, ael wrote: I have resorted to changing railway=abandoned to railway=disused on several occasions just to get mapnik and friends to render bridges. Bridges over roads and rivers are major features of relevance to tall vehicles and boats, so really should show up on standard

Re: [Tagging] Blatant tagging for the renderer: bridges abandoned railways

2015-03-09 Thread SomeoneElse
On 09/03/2015 20:03, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: The core problem is: *railway=abandoned* Refers to railway service, and does not describe what's on the ground. No. railway=abandoned has been used from almost year 0 in OSM to indicate where the rails have been removed but the route is still visible

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - register

2015-03-06 Thread SomeoneElse
On 06/03/2015 11:48, ael wrote: I don't know if any of the Dartmoor boxes are marked in OSM. A very Addition: I just found one of them: http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/node/1129854737 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/50.65508/-3.97769layers=D ael I suspect that a better tag than

Re: [Tagging] Wiki vote threshold

2015-03-04 Thread SomeoneElse
2015-03-04 9:35 GMT+01:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com: After, say, 1 year in any one status, move them to status ... 'Expired', 'Resting', 'Paused ' or ? ... pining for the fjords? This tag's not dead, it's Cheers, Andy

Re: [Tagging] route=foot

2015-03-01 Thread SomeoneElse
On 01/03/2015 21:48, fly wrote: Am 01.03.2015 um 22:04 schrieb SomeoneElse: On 01/03/2015 20:17, fly wrote: Wait a minute, out of the 25,000 over 21,000 have a network=* which leads me to the assumption that most should be tagged route=hiking. What makes you think that? Come on, just have

Re: [Tagging] route=foot

2015-03-01 Thread SomeoneElse
On 01/03/2015 20:17, fly wrote: Wait a minute, out of the 25,000 over 21,000 have a network=* which leads me to the assumption that most should be tagged route=hiking. What makes you think that? This is a genuine question, by the way - I suspect at the root of this might be a difference in

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - key:rubbish=

2015-02-18 Thread SomeoneElse
On 18/02/2015 19:15, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: Remember that OSM tags are based on UK English. dump_station should be fine. Maybe I've lived a sheltered life, but I'd never heard the term before this thread. When I had caravan holidays inflicted upon me as a child, Elsan* disposal point was

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

2015-02-15 Thread SomeoneElse
On 15/02/2015 11:17, Tom Pfeifer wrote: I find that landuse=churchyard vs. landuse=religious+religion=christian have the same meaning, with the advantage that the latter works multicultural. No. If you read back up through this and previous threads, you'll see that landuse=religious

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

2015-02-15 Thread SomeoneElse
On 15/02/2015 01:24, Warin wrote: What 'landuse' would you say it is? It does not fit in any of the values given on the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landuse There are over 2,900 tagged landuse=religious currently. as shown by the taginfo. You can't always take taginfo

Re: [Tagging] building=yes on nodes?

2015-02-14 Thread SomeoneElse
On 14/02/2015 07:45, Lukas Sommer wrote: Hello. The english wiki page key:building says that this key may not be used on nodes. ... it also says that it shouldn't be used on relations, which would exclude perfectly valid multipolygons, such as this one:

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-30 Thread SomeoneElse
On 30/01/2015 14:12, St Niklaas wrote: From: François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com Since OSM editing tools aren't AutoCAD you can't be 100% precise on the geometry. Exactly so. Francois if you’re using JOSM you’re be able to work up till 0,06 - 0,04 =0,02 m accuracy No.

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-28 Thread SomeoneElse
On 28/01/2015 11:43, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-01-28 8:48 GMT+01:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com: Unfortunately this does not have a tag for non drinking water .. possible values could be non-potable_water grey_water I like grey_water

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, REMOVED

2015-01-28 Thread SomeoneElse
On 28/01/2015 13:05, Richard Welty wrote: i changed them to highway:unbuilt, rather than deleting them so that they would stop rendering and wouldn't get added back in later. I guess that that makes sense here in a fix the mapper kind of way (I've certainly done similar things), but

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, REMOVED

2015-01-28 Thread SomeoneElse
On 28/01/2015 21:57, John F. Eldredge wrote: Well, you also have the status proposed, but no start date set, which would fit some subdivision maps I have seen. I am not sure how one would tag that. Again, I probably wouldn't add that, until it has got a projected start date (and a

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk=* or footway=* (Hubert)

2015-01-20 Thread SomeoneElse
On 20/01/2015 13:01, Hubert wrote: I just found the following Thread ion the GB mailing list: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2012-August/013663.html (I haven’t read it yet.) Is that the one you where referring to? That's certainly one of them, yes. I have a vague

Re: [Tagging] Tagging road illumination quality

2015-01-19 Thread SomeoneElse
On 20/01/2015 01:21, Warin wrote: As a camera/light meter should try to reproduce the human eyes response I'd think it would be a good approximation - certainly acceptable compared to a subjective human assessment of 'bright/good/bad/average'. Perhaps what you need to do is to make some

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk=* or footway=* (Hubert)

2015-01-19 Thread SomeoneElse
On 19/01/2015 23:19, Warin wrote: To me, sidewalk is American English. British English is more footway? footpath is common Australian English. In English English* footpath means either that thing at the side of the road that Americans call a sidewalk or a path not at the side of the road

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC: Reverse Vending Machine

2015-01-11 Thread SomeoneElse
On 11/01/2015 11:25, makko wrote: ... However, I do not know how widespread the term reverse vending machine is. ... In the UK, it isn't common - at least, I'd not heard of it before this thread. Interestingly, one of the links from the WP page is to a UK company that claims to have a

Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?

2015-01-09 Thread SomeoneElse
On 10/01/2015 00:17, John Willis wrote: Similarly, animal sacrifice and practicing voodoo at the airport's prayer room might get you arrested. Not even poodles? :) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2015-January/020847.html Cheers, Andy

Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?

2015-01-08 Thread SomeoneElse
On 08/01/2015 22:21, johnw wrote: On Jan 8, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org mailto:t.pfei...@computer.org wrote: ... My favourite would be multi as is is concise and also used in sport=multi, The exact word is nondenominational, but multi fits with OSM definitions.

Re: [Tagging] hrmpf.

2015-01-02 Thread SomeoneElse
see a point here, considering that the change of a tag affects map styles, software, ... as mentioned by SomeoneElse. To be clear, I don't think that anyone's criticising the change itself, just the notification of it. If people are using existing data they need to get some warning that it's

Re: [Tagging] oneway=no spams

2014-12-28 Thread SomeoneElse
On 28/12/2014 16:01, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: I think that those editors should only make undefined, yes and -1 selectable, or omit the no values on upload at last, except for motorways, motorway_links and roundabouts. I don't believe that there's yet an automatic interface between mailing

Re: [Tagging] Date of survey

2014-12-23 Thread SomeoneElse
On 22/12/2014 19:56, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: Whether on the changeset or on the object - whichever is most appropriate, automatically adding the current date as survey:date whenever a source=survey is entered could be a nice optional editor functionality. In addition to current limited

Re: [Tagging] craft=builder definition?

2014-12-16 Thread SomeoneElse
On 16/12/2014 17:05, Andreas Goss wrote: Just found this tag (craft=builder) on Taginfo and it has been used by a few times, but it does not seem very clear what it means: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Builder So is there any good definition for this tag or should I just create a Wiki page

Re: [Tagging] Survey of street/road layouts and their tagging

2014-12-12 Thread SomeoneElse
On 12/12/2014 13:13, Ulrich Lamm wrote: See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ulamm/Tables_of_street_layouts This could benefit from an explanation of what problem you're trying to solve here. The wiki's full of I think we should tag X like Y pages but without any arguments for a

Re: [Tagging] man_made=adit_entrance

2014-12-06 Thread SomeoneElse
On 06/12/2014 18:06, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: There is a proposed tag man_made=adit that is a good idea. But I think that it would be better to use man_made=adit_entrance for adit entrances - too make it clear and obvious what should be tagged and to make it closer to natural=cave_entrance

Re: [Tagging] man_made=adit_entrance

2014-12-06 Thread SomeoneElse
On 06/12/2014 18:43, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: On 06.12.2014 19:06, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: There is a proposed tag man_made=adit that is a good idea. But I think that it would be better to use man_made=adit_entrance for adit entrances - too make it clear and obvious what should be tagged and

Re: [Tagging] pipeline flow direction; was: Feature Proposal - RFC - Pipeline Extensions

2014-11-18 Thread SomeoneElse
On 18/11/2014 08:37, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: while flow_direction=oneway doesn't imply any specific direction It is well established that oneway=yes means in direction of the way and oneway=-1 in opposite direction than the way. To be clear, oneway=yes means _traffic_ direction in the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - cycleway=soft_lane

2014-10-31 Thread SomeoneElse
On 31/10/2014 12:02, Hubert wrote: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - cycleway=soft_lane Ihave a quick question.Howshould I proceed with a voting that is a tie? Invoke the spirit of Groucho Marx? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7cry-4pyy8 :-) Cheers, Andy

Re: [Tagging] Default maxspeed unit on waterways

2014-10-29 Thread SomeoneElse
On 29/10/2014 19:48, Richard Z. wrote: ouch. Luckily we don't map anything in UK vs US gallons or UK vs US barrels or tons.. or do we? US tons, certainly (and it has caught mappers out in the past when they've been looking for rogue values to correct). The UK uses (generally) metric

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-21 Thread SomeoneElse
On 21/10/2014 05:24, Toby Murray wrote: ... I considered Staples to be different enough to deserve a different tag. I am not convinced that I am right... just stating at how I arrived at my tagging decision. ... that was pretty much my thought process with shop=office_supplies too. I'd be

Re: [Tagging] Retag: craft=sweep = craft=chimney_sweep

2014-10-03 Thread SomeoneElse
On 03/10/2014 09:45, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I guess this depends on the region. In Germany they are sort of authority not only for cleaning but for chimney and combustion plant verification and certification of the installed instances. Typically you will have no choice, the whole country

Re: [Tagging] Retag: craft=sweep = craft=chimney_sweep

2014-10-03 Thread SomeoneElse
On 03/10/2014 12:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-10-03 13:17 GMT+02:00 SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk: That doesn't much sound primarily like a chimney sweep at all, but some official function to do with gas etc. certification

Re: [Tagging] name and brand tags

2014-09-24 Thread SomeoneElse
On 24/09/2014 15:24, Richard Welty wrote: true, but are we better off with that in operator= than in name= ? richard Not if they're different. As an example, here's a hotel: http://www.royaloakhotel.com/ The brand is Best Western. The name is something like Royal Oak Hotel. The

Re: [Tagging] Route relations - Forward Backward

2014-09-06 Thread SomeoneElse
On 06/09/2014 07:38, Jo wrote: I hope noboby is still using the older way of adding bus routes for adding new bus routes to OSM. Lots of people are, because they understand how they work :-) Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-27 Thread SomeoneElse
On 07/08/2014 16:53, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: culvert isn't a bridge type at all (in my understanding), (on the other part of this) I'd agree that culvert isn't a type of bridge. I think that some of the confusion in OSM came from someone finding an old American drawing of a car

Re: [Tagging] Proposed change to Tag:access=designated page

2014-08-24 Thread SomeoneElse
On 24/08/2014 11:43, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: For me, designated means that there's a respective sign, e.g. a cycleway sign = bicycle=designated. For compulsory use, *=official was introduced, but that tag is rather useless without a relation to the way where access is forbidden. I'd tend

Re: [Tagging] Proposed change to Tag:access=designated page

2014-08-20 Thread SomeoneElse
On 20/08/2014 12:38, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Currently only weakest reason to use this tag are described. I propose to add Typically it is used on ways legally dedicated to specific modes of travel by a law or by the rules of traffic. as described on

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

2014-08-19 Thread SomeoneElse
On 19/08/2014 09:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: FWIW, the documented default in OSM (if such thing as defaults is accepted anyway) is foot=no according to this page linked from the cycleway definition: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions That wiki page

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

2014-08-18 Thread SomeoneElse
On 18/08/2014 20:54, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Another point was that ways with signs like this http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:120px-Zeichen_240.svg.png http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/a/aa/120px-Zeichen_241.svg.png are neither cycleways nor footways, they are both at the same

Re: [Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

2014-08-14 Thread SomeoneElse
On 14/08/2014 12:18, Dan S wrote: 2014-08-14 12:01 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: ... I am not sure about English terminology. In German, we call natural cavities Höhlen (caves), and artificial cavities Stollen (adits?). A straight Stollen with an entrance on each end is a Tunnel

Re: [Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

2014-08-14 Thread SomeoneElse
On 14/08/2014 12:22, André Pirard wrote: I know I still have to learn that OSM is fuzzy, but using cave=yes for paths would first need a definition of it in the highway=* page. No, it really wouldn't(1). Cheers, Andy (1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Any_tags_you_like - and yes,

Re: [Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

2014-08-14 Thread SomeoneElse
On 14/08/2014 12:35, John Packer wrote: One question. How would people map a cave? (answering in case it wasn't a completely rhetorical question): One option is the same way that people mapped before GPSs arrived - accurately measure a baseline and triangulate from it. Obviously it's

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin: Distinction of purchase through website and cash register/Point of sale

2014-08-14 Thread SomeoneElse
On 14/08/2014 13:19, Markus Lindholm wrote: No, that's a bad idea. I believe there's a clear consensus that payment:bitcoin=yes is not a proper tag for a shop that doesn't accept bitcoin at its physical location. I'd fully agree with that. Most of the bitcoin taggers seem just to be using

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-13 Thread SomeoneElse
On 13/08/2014 05:54, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Some people consider freeform values in bridge tag as a problem and think that bridge tag should have only yes/no values and specific type of bridge should be stored in a separate tag. People are entitled to their opinions, but I'd argue that

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-11 Thread SomeoneElse
For the benefit of anyone looking at taginfo stats in this thread, it's worth mentioning that there's some non-survey-based editing going on: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24690099 Cheers, Andu ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Using highway=footway as an area

2014-08-10 Thread SomeoneElse
On 09/08/2014 17:06, Dave F. wrote: Hi http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.49428/-0.12149 I've noticed highway=footway is being used as an area across Lambeth Bridge: North side as a closed polygon; South side within a relation. (checking the history previously they were both

Re: [Tagging] seafood vs fishmonger (was Re: Synonymous values in the shop key)

2014-07-31 Thread SomeoneElse
On 31/07/2014 09:27, Holger Jeromin wrote: The voting was performed using the extended North-American definition - there including fresh water: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/seafood_shop ... and exactly 8 people voted in favour. That's clearly a ringing endorsement.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:leisure=gym

2014-07-31 Thread SomeoneElse
On 31/07/2014 11:54, Andreas Labres wrote: sport=fitness seems to have won: Not really, because that might apply to e.g. exercise bars in a park rather than a gym as such. Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] sport=horse_racing unnecessary sport=equestrian

2014-07-24 Thread SomeoneElse
On 24/07/2014 10:35, Andreas Goss wrote: Is there a reason to keep sport=horse_racing? horse racing is a very different animal (pun intended) to e.g 3 day eventing, country point-to-points, gymkhanas, etc. Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Townhouse

2014-07-21 Thread SomeoneElse
On 21/07/2014 00:51, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: ... but looking into WP showed that in Britain the meaning refers to the town or city residence of a member of the nobility http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobility or gentry http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentry, as opposed to their country

Re: [Tagging] Townhouse

2014-07-21 Thread SomeoneElse
On 21/07/2014 10:29, Volker Schmidt wrote: Wikipedia is rather precise on the different meanings - see my earlier post with links. Volker Sure - I understand that you were correctly flagging the ambiguity associated with the term, but what I was saying was that one of those three

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Vending Machines: Drink Food

2014-07-21 Thread SomeoneElse
On 21/07/2014 18:49, Andreas Goss wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Vending-Dinks%26Food (offlist) You might want to fix the typo in the page name... Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Problem with access=designated

2014-07-15 Thread SomeoneElse
On 13/07/2014 19:44, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Dofficial access=designated often includes ways that have no legal dedication like e.g. recommended routes of a local bicycle club Presumably here you don't actually mean

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-07-10 Thread SomeoneElse
On 10/07/2014 10:50, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: According to Wikipedia In North America, although not generally in the United Kingdom, the term seafood is extended to fresh water organisms eaten by humans, so all edible aquatic life may be referred to as seafood.. We really, really, can't rely

Re: [Tagging] Tagging-rendering relations

2014-07-09 Thread SomeoneElse
On 09/07/2014 16:39, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 9 July 2014 16:24, Daniel Koć dan...@xn--ko-wla.pl wrote: W dniu 09.07.2014 14:19, Matthijs Melissen napisał(a): So - what about making the testing map and adding there all the already documented features for the start? Maybe we should discuss it

Re: [Tagging] Subsequent wikipedia links

2014-06-30 Thread SomeoneElse
On 30/06/2014 10:34, Andreas Goss wrote: but I was aware it conflicts with the language version The best solution would be to just use Wikidata. If editors supported that, then they could also always show the titel of the Wikidata tag to avoid errors.

Re: [Tagging] Subsequent wikipedia links

2014-06-30 Thread SomeoneElse
On 30/06/2014 10:57, Andreas Goss wrote: If the building is important I would tag the company as a seperate node on the building and then there is no confusion with the basic tag anymore. I'd agree (that in the Bayford's HO case) having the company details on a node within the building

Re: [Tagging] Subsequent wikipedia links

2014-06-30 Thread SomeoneElse
On 30/06/2014 11:12, Andreas Goss wrote: We're presumably suggesting wikidata=$something but what is $something? Every Wikidata entry has an ID. You can find it in the URL and behind the title: OpenStreetMap: Q936 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q936 So you would use wikidata=Q936 That's

Re: [Tagging] Where do source tags belong?

2014-06-30 Thread SomeoneElse
On 30/06/2014 22:17, Tod Fitch wrote: At least in JOSM if you do a ctrl-h on a selected object it shows you the source entry text that given on the change set (if it exists which it usually doesn't on older change sets). If the other editors don't show that, then they should be fixed. For

[Tagging] Subsequent wikipedia links

2014-06-29 Thread SomeoneElse
Dear wikipedia taggers, There seems to be some doubt as to how the second and subsequent wikipedia links are handled. Here's an example of the problem: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/117544396/history Of the six versions 2 are initially mapping it and refining the mapping; the other four

Re: [Tagging] Basic question about functional classification of highways

2014-06-17 Thread SomeoneElse
Andrew Shadura wrote: Both maxspeed=countrycode:zone type and maxspeed=zone type are evil, as we need to have a separate DB for those zonal limits. Please, just use maxspeed=number. Any router that deals with more than one type of traffic will need to do that anyway, as many places have

Re: [Tagging] generalized survey and consequences

2014-06-09 Thread SomeoneElse
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Actually the source:maxspeed tag was discussed years ago (2009 IIRR) on this list and by the time approved. The idea to use maxspeed:type instead is very new compared to this, and there wasn't any actual proposal to see whether this was backed by the community,

Re: [Tagging] highway=track access

2014-06-05 Thread SomeoneElse
Greg Troxel wrote: I may be alone in thinking this, but I find the legal Right of Way notion to be critical, and an important distinction between highway=unclassified and highway=track or highway=service. Well, ish - but what's important is that all aspects that can be mapped (legal,

Re: [Tagging] highway=track access

2014-06-03 Thread SomeoneElse
Janko Mihelic' wrote: 2014-06-03 8:55 GMT+02:00 John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com mailto:jcg.stu...@gmail.com: They're not necessarily service roads --- they don't have to lead to any premises at all; they're simply minor roads, usually unsealed. Then maybe: highway=unclassified +

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes (again)

2014-05-30 Thread SomeoneElse
Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: (Please, don't make a voodoo doll of me because I am bringing this discussion back.) Too late! :) We had a long discussion in https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-April/017247.html and now I saw in the English wiki

Re: [Tagging] highway=track access

2014-05-30 Thread SomeoneElse
Dave F. wrote: I believe byway shouldn't be deprecated. In my area most of them are signed as just 'byway' on the ground. I think that it varies greatly by area. Some highway authorities use just Byway; some have more explicit signage; some in some cases none at all. I think many that

[Tagging] byway vs track ( was: highway=track access )

2014-05-20 Thread SomeoneElse
Dave F. wrote: Going slightly off topic, I notice the UK listing is missing byway, a recognised highway classification. Dave F. Is there a notable physical difference between a byway in England and Wales and a track? Byway Open to All Traffic and Restricted Byway are both legal

Re: [Tagging] [OpenStreetMap] #5163: paths and tracks rendering indistinguishable: your opinion?

2014-05-19 Thread SomeoneElse
André Pirard wrote: Hi, This is about OSM ticket https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/5163: The rendering of highway=path and highway=track is barely distinguishable. Just my 2p, but personally I don't think that the rendering of highway=track and highway=path on the standard map are

Re: [Tagging] [OpenStreetMap] #5163: paths and tracks rendering indistinguishable: your opinion?

2014-05-19 Thread SomeoneElse
André Pirard wrote: On 2014-05-19 18:35, SomeoneElse wrote : If you feel strongly about it why not knock up a rendering with more differentiation between track and path and invite people to compare with the current standard map? ¿¿¿ ¡¡¡ That is exactly what I did with showing OSM and IGN

Re: [Tagging] highway=track access

2014-05-19 Thread SomeoneElse
Richard Fairhurst wrote: Hi all, There are almost 8m highway=track objects in the database (thanks taginfo!), third only to =residential and =service (thanks TIGER!). I'm interested to know what level of access people believe this implies in their home countries. Here in the UK, for

[Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?

2014-04-11 Thread SomeoneElse
Currently, there are 41,000 things tagged access=designated (1). I can understand what =designated means for a specifc transport type (foot, bicycle, etc.) but not access. The wiki (2) also doesn't know. What do we think that someone means when they tag something as access=designated?

Re: [Tagging] shop for baby strollers only

2014-04-04 Thread SomeoneElse
André Riedel wrote: At the moment stroller is used for ramps or ways as access condition. But it's ambiguous, even in American. It's a noun meaning pushchair only in American; in both English AND American it means a person going for a walk. I can't comment on other English variants (AU,

Re: [Tagging] simple_brunnel : one node bridge like xing highway over waterway

2014-04-04 Thread SomeoneElse
Richard Welty wrote: and if you are not sure about the extent of the structure or its nature there's no harm in nipping out a short section, setting layer=1 and skipping the other tagging (bridge=yes or whatever.) you have accurately represented what you know and maintained correct topology.

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-03 Thread SomeoneElse
fly wrote: Is noexit=yes useful on ways ? Asking a slightly broader question, in what situations is noexit=yes useful at all, except as a cue to subsequent mappers in the very rare situation that one way ends very close to another one and there's absolutely nothing (not a wall, footpath,

Re: [Tagging] simple_brunnel : one node bridge like xing highway over waterway

2014-04-03 Thread SomeoneElse
On 03/04/14 23:27, Richard Welty wrote: On 4/3/14 6:06 PM, Richard Z. wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Advanced_relationships http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:layer umm, the term only seems to appear here. google does not find any references to it. from this i have to assume

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting Extended - amenity=boat_sharing

2014-03-29 Thread SomeoneElse
On 29/03/2014 12:41, nounours77 wrote: As discussed in my earlier post, I think voting is important even for specific service tags to make them offical. Not really - OSM doesn't have official tags. It has commonly used ones, and people agree not to use the same tag to mean different things,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - opening hours holiday select

2014-03-14 Thread SomeoneElse
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: IMHO summer_holiday would be preferable because we should avoid abbreviations ... and people have already used the abbreviation SH for School Holidays (which I'd argue also ought not to be abbreviated for the same reason). Cheers, Andy

Re: [Tagging] Hot springs

2014-03-04 Thread SomeoneElse
(and in case anyone's not aware) sulfur would be sulphur in British English. Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - amenity=boat_sharing

2014-03-03 Thread SomeoneElse
nounours77 wrote: Dear all, Just to remind you that the proposal https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boat_sharing is still open for comments. If you think that it's an important thing to map, and it fulfills the usual criteria (e.g. verifiability), I'd just go and map it

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-25 Thread SomeoneElse
Robin `ypid` Schneider wrote: So I created a short proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/opening_hours_open_until In a related point, we need to be careful that when trying to translate all of the data in opening_hours into something that a computer can understand

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - All You Can Eat

2014-02-14 Thread SomeoneElse
John Packer wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/All_you_can_eat What does taginfo suggest people are currently tagging places with an all you can eat option as? I'm not convinced that this necessarily needs a proposal... Cheers, Andy

Re: [Tagging] Canal banks

2014-02-03 Thread SomeoneElse
Christoph Hormann wrote: And you forget 4.5 million natural=water without any water=* of which quite a lot could be riverbanks. Most of those will just be random imports though, won't they? Until someone even has a look at an aerial, it's difficult to say much about them. Cheers, Andy

Re: [Tagging] Propose the tag shop=military_surplus

2013-12-06 Thread SomeoneElse
Axelos wrote: The wiki is not intended to suggest tags to make homogeneous the database ? The wiki's an excellent place for documenting tag usage, but one of the things hugely in OSM's favour is that there's no enforced list of legal tags - if something has never been tagged before, or not

Re: [Tagging] Propose the tag shop=military_surplus

2013-12-05 Thread SomeoneElse
Axelos wrote: I proposed the tag shop=military_surplus for the shops selling used military equipment. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Military_surplus If you think that it makes sense to tag a particular shop that way just go ahead and use it. You can use any tags you like. Taginfo

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