WE 9.5.1 & WLM

2016-08-04 Thread Robert Ringwald via Talk 
Since installing the ne3w Window-Eyes 9.5.1, the voice cannot keep up with my 
typing. I have it set for words. Sometimes I don’t hear the word typed because 
I am on to another word before WE says the word I just typed. 

There is a slight lag. 

Is there a parameter I can set to speed up the speaking of words while typing?

-Bob



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Re: Need some advice

2016-08-04 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk 

Curtis,

If you didn't see my earlier reply to Linette, the anniversary release 
is both an update for existing Windows 10 users and the new build for 
someone just upgrading from an earlier version of Windows. For someone 
with Windows 10 it's akin to a service pack. It's pretty much a new 
install of Windows 10. It creates a Windows.Old folder with over a 
hundred-thousand files in it.


Regards,
Tom



On 8/4/2016 11:30 PM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:

I sure do want to know as well, to keep some of my clients informed who
keep asking me if they should . . .  etc.
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 20:14:31 -0500
Linette Sukup via Talk  wrote:




Is this anniversary update the whole thing, that is, the entire Windows 10, or 
just updates for the original?
Just wondering.

Peace.
Linette



On 8/4/2016 7:46 PM, Michael Massey via Talk wrote:

Hi, again, Rick.  I just wanted to chime in to let you know that you have
Mark Solomon's suggestion and mine, grin.  Pick whichever option you wish to
try.  Should you choose to wait for the update to automatically download and
install on your machine, let us know how it went.  Oh yeah, Mark, let us
know as well, grin.

Mike M.

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Behalf Of Rick Jarvis via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 6:00 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Need some advice

I tried to upgrade to the new windows 10 today and when I got to a certain
point I got the following message.  Display : The display is not compatible
with Windows 10. Check with the manufacturer for support.
What are my options here?  I do not want to buy a new pc just to upgrade.
Are there drivers that will work with this display that windows will work
with?  I have a hp desktop  that came with windows 8.0 and since I have
upgraded to windows 10.  I did not have this problem when updating then.
What do I need to do?  Thanks for any help here.  Rick
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Re: narrator

2016-08-04 Thread Joseph Norton via Talk 
Hi:

Don't know if you ever got an answer, but, here's the address:

http://aka.ms/narratorgetstarted

Hope this helps.

And, for those of you who may be worried about this taking over, don't
worry.  This is the best Narrator I've seen yet, but, it still doesn't
come anywhere near what you can do with Window-Eyes, or any of the
other screen readers.

On 8/2/16, Don H via Talk  wrote:
> Can someone tell me where to get the user manual for the new Narrator on
> the Win 10 anniversary update?
> Thanks
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RE: New voice work from MicroSoft and WE for Office

2016-08-04 Thread Joseph Norton via Talk 
Hi:

Well, I spoke too soon as to voices.  There is another male voice in
Narrator. It's called Mark.

This is probably best for the AI Squared Window-Eyes team:  I can't get WE
to use it, because it says it's Mark Mobile.  Also, they have David and Zira
both Mobile and Desktop.  WE can select the Desktop version, but, not the
mobile version.  Is there a tweak I can do to get it to select the Mark
Mobile voice?

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From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 10:45 PM
To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: New voice work from MicroSoft and WE for Office

I know that I have been able to load last year's version of David for
Windows 10 as a SAPI 5 synthesizer for WE. It was lacking in keyboard
responsiveness, so I use it in Read to End mode with the Read2Me app.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message-
From: Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 9:03 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: New voice work from MicroSoft and WE for Office

Hi:



In the recent Main Menu podcast, one of the reps from MicroSoft said they
had new voices in Windows 10 Aniversary Edition.  Though I haven't noticed
too much difference, it does seem as if the David voice may be a tad more
responsive when typing.



Is it possible that David with its new responsiveness might replace Zira in
the WE for Office product?



Thanks!

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Re: Need some advice

2016-08-04 Thread Curtis Delzer via Talk 
I sure do want to know as well, to keep some of my clients informed who
keep asking me if they should . . .  etc.
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 20:14:31 -0500
Linette Sukup via Talk  wrote:

> 
> 
> Is this anniversary update the whole thing, that is, the entire Windows 10, 
> or just updates for the original?
> Just wondering.
> 
> Peace.
> Linette
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/4/2016 7:46 PM, Michael Massey via Talk wrote:
> > Hi, again, Rick.  I just wanted to chime in to let you know that you have
> > Mark Solomon's suggestion and mine, grin.  Pick whichever option you wish to
> > try.  Should you choose to wait for the update to automatically download and
> > install on your machine, let us know how it went.  Oh yeah, Mark, let us
> > know as well, grin.
> >
> > Mike M.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+massey52=q@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> > Behalf Of Rick Jarvis via Talk
> > Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 6:00 PM
> > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> > Subject: Need some advice
> >
> > I tried to upgrade to the new windows 10 today and when I got to a certain
> > point I got the following message.  Display : The display is not compatible
> > with Windows 10. Check with the manufacturer for support.
> > What are my options here?  I do not want to buy a new pc just to upgrade.
> > Are there drivers that will work with this display that windows will work
> > with?  I have a hp desktop  that came with windows 8.0 and since I have
> > upgraded to windows 10.  I did not have this problem when updating then.
> > What do I need to do?  Thanks for any help here.  Rick
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Re: the upgrade assistant says the display driver is blocking installation

2016-08-04 Thread Alan Siman via Talk 
I spoke with AI today and if you delete the we display adapter you must 
reinstall we completely.


They recommended removing we with the removal tool on the cd if you have 
the latest update then installing win 10 and then reinstalling we from 
the cd.


On 8/4/2016 6:23 PM, Bob Tinney via Talk wrote:

Hi,


As I said before, my newer laptop upgraded right away with no problem 
at all.  I haven't seen the update on my older desktop which is 
running windows 10 version 1115.



My question is if I uninstall the WE display driver, what's the 
easiest way to reinstall it?





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Re: New voice work from MicroSoft and WE for Office

2016-08-04 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk 
I know that I have been able to load last year's version of David for 
Windows 10 as a SAPI 5 synthesizer for WE. It was lacking in keyboard 
responsiveness, so I use it in Read to End mode with the Read2Me app.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 9:03 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: New voice work from MicroSoft and WE for Office

Hi:



In the recent Main Menu podcast, one of the reps from MicroSoft said they
had new voices in Windows 10 Aniversary Edition.  Though I haven't noticed
too much difference, it does seem as if the David voice may be a tad more
responsive when typing.



Is it possible that David with its new responsiveness might replace Zira in
the WE for Office product?



Thanks!

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Re: Need some advice

2016-08-04 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk 
Unless things have changed I wouldn't recommend using Device Manager to 
get updates. I gave up on it years ago after it installed older drivers 
or incorrect drivers. You're best bet is to go to the manufacturer's 
site of the adapter or whatever else you want a new driver for or your 
computer manufacturer's site because they sometimes use their own 
modified drivers.


Regards,
Tom


On 8/4/2016 9:49 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:

Find what Video card you have and then look for the updated drivers.
Also, I you do to devise manager you can update the drivers fror your PC
by hilighting you video card and right clicking and choosing update
drivers.

-Original Message- From: Rick Jarvis via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 6:59 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Need some advice

I tried to upgrade to the new windows 10 today and when I got to a
certain point I got the following message.  Display : The display is not
compatible with Windows 10. Check with the manufacturer for support.
What are my options here?  I do not want to buy a new pc just to
upgrade.  Are there drivers that will work with this display that
windows will work with?  I have a hp desktop  that came with windows 8.0
and since I have upgraded to windows 10.  I did not have this problem
when updating then.  What do I need to do?  Thanks for any help here.  Rick
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Re: Need some advice

2016-08-04 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk 

Linette,

It's both. If you've already got Windows 10 it's a large update akin to 
a service pack. If you don't it's the latest build of Windows 10.


Installing it created a Windows.Old folder that contained 105,699 files 
and 22,661 folders. And this is on a new Windows 10 machine. The 
Windows.Old folder was also created on my Windows 7 machine when I did 
the original upgrade on it.


Regards,
Tom


On 8/4/2016 9:14 PM, Linette Sukup via Talk wrote:



Is this anniversary update the whole thing, that is, the entire Windows
10, or just updates for the original?
Just wondering.

Peace.
Linette



On 8/4/2016 7:46 PM, Michael Massey via Talk wrote:

Hi, again, Rick.  I just wanted to chime in to let you know that you have
Mark Solomon's suggestion and mine, grin.  Pick whichever option you
wish to
try.  Should you choose to wait for the update to automatically
download and
install on your machine, let us know how it went.  Oh yeah, Mark, let us
know as well, grin.

Mike M.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+massey52=q@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Jarvis via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 6:00 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Need some advice

I tried to upgrade to the new windows 10 today and when I got to a
certain
point I got the following message.  Display : The display is not
compatible
with Windows 10. Check with the manufacturer for support.
What are my options here?  I do not want to buy a new pc just to upgrade.
Are there drivers that will work with this display that windows will work
with?  I have a hp desktop  that came with windows 8.0 and since I have
upgraded to windows 10.  I did not have this problem when updating then.
What do I need to do?  Thanks for any help here.  Rick
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the upgrade assistant says the display driver is blocking installation

2016-08-04 Thread Bob Tinney via Talk 

Hi,


As I said before, my newer laptop upgraded right away with no problem at 
all.  I haven't seen the update on my older desktop which is running 
windows 10 version 1115.



My question is if I uninstall the WE display driver, what's the easiest 
way to reinstall it?



--

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

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RE: os for laptop

2016-08-04 Thread Charles Short via Talk 
Oh remember how I emailed you off list about the problem that I was having
with the emails not reading automatically? ...problem fixed! ...I called AI
Squared and they walked me through it by going to the add-ins, disabling the
ones that I don't want, and re-inabling the outlook enhanced add-in,
uninstalling and reinstalling the outlook enhanced app.


Charlie Short

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+clshort=verizon@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 10:01 PM
To: 'net bat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: os for laptop

Actually, you don't have to save Office 365 documents in the cloud where, in
my opinion, there kind of hard to find and organize.
I learned this by making a copy of a local Word document within my local
folder, renaming it, opening it, clearing out its contents, editing and
saving it again, and, presto, I have a new local document.

Hth,

Rod

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Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 9:40 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: os for laptop

all you have to do is open the privacy setting and turn everything off. and
do not use a microsoft account to log in.
even cortana can be turned off now. it can still be used for operations on
the local computer. like loading apps or changeing windows settings the
problem is everything is going to the cloud. office 365 ,one drive,outlook
etc. with these you have to use a microsoft account to log onto these
programs to retrieve your data stored on line.


-Original Message-
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 3:58 PM
To: Micallef Michael at FITA ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: os for laptop

Okay, I have a question.  For all you people who say windows ten is more
secure:  how can that be when Microsoft gets to see everything on your
computer whenever they want?  I don't call that security.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 6:57 AM
To: hui thian ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: os for laptop

In my opinion windows10 is better after all you can configure it similar to
windows7 and it is more secure operating system.






Michael Micallef
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Persons with a Visual Impairment

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To: Reeva Webb via Talk
Subject: os for laptop

Hi, kindly please what os should I get for my new laptop? is windows 10 or 7
better? thanks Best Regards Hui Thian
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RE: os for laptop

2016-08-04 Thread Rod Hutton via Talk 
Actually, you don't have to save Office 365 documents in the cloud where, in
my opinion, there kind of hard to find and organize.
I learned this by making a copy of a local Word document within my local
folder, renaming it, opening it, clearing out its contents, editing and
saving it again, and, presto, I have a new local document.

Hth,

Rod

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Subject: Re: os for laptop

all you have to do is open the privacy setting and turn everything off. and
do not use a microsoft account to log in.
even cortana can be turned off now. it can still be used for operations on
the local computer. like loading apps or changeing windows settings the
problem is everything is going to the cloud. office 365 ,one drive,outlook
etc. with these you have to use a microsoft account to log onto these
programs to retrieve your data stored on line.


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Okay, I have a question.  For all you people who say windows ten is more
secure:  how can that be when Microsoft gets to see everything on your
computer whenever they want?  I don't call that security.  Pam.

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Subject: RE: os for laptop

In my opinion windows10 is better after all you can configure it similar to
windows7 and it is more secure operating system.






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Hi, kindly please what os should I get for my new laptop? is windows 10 or 7
better? thanks Best Regards Hui Thian
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Re: Need some advice

2016-08-04 Thread Tony C via Talk 
Find what Video card you have and then look for the updated drivers. Also, I 
you do to devise manager you can update the drivers fror your PC by 
hilighting you video card and right clicking and choosing update drivers.


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To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Need some advice

I tried to upgrade to the new windows 10 today and when I got to a
certain point I got the following message.  Display : The display is not
compatible with Windows 10. Check with the manufacturer for support.
What are my options here?  I do not want to buy a new pc just to
upgrade.  Are there drivers that will work with this display that
windows will work with?  I have a hp desktop  that came with windows 8.0
and since I have upgraded to windows 10.  I did not have this problem
when updating then.  What do I need to do?  Thanks for any help here.  Rick
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Re: os for laptop

2016-08-04 Thread net bat via Talk 
all you have to do is open the privacy setting and turn everything off. and do 
not use a microsoft account to log in.
even cortana can be turned off now. it can still be used for operations on the 
local computer. like loading apps or changeing windows settings
the problem is everything is going to the cloud. office 365 ,one drive,outlook 
etc. with these you have to use a microsoft account to log onto these programs 
to retrieve your data stored on line.



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Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 3:58 PM
To: Micallef Michael at FITA ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: os for laptop

Okay, I have a question.  For all you people who say windows ten is more
secure:  how can that be when Microsoft gets to see everything on your
computer whenever they want?  I don't call that security.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 6:57 AM
To: hui thian ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: os for laptop

In my opinion windows10 is better after all you can configure it similar to
windows7 and it is more secure operating system.






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Subject: os for laptop

Hi, kindly please what os should I get for my new laptop? is windows 10 or 7
better? thanks
Best Regards
Hui Thian
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RE: buttons and we 9.51

2016-08-04 Thread Rod Hutton via Talk 
Hi Don,

You are, I believe, in a setting dialog within Windows 10.
Buttons are activated by pressing Enter or spacebar.
Wether or not pressing one has an effect depends on the kind of control
which is being accessed.
You can tab away from it and Shift-tab back to see if anything changes since
some of these are toggles.
Also, sometimes, such buttons will open up a series of options, which are
displayed when you then tab forward through the dialog.
Then, pressing Enter on one of these will select that option.
Shift-tabbing back to the initial button and then pressing Enter or spacebar
again will collapse options which were offered for those types of controls.
This is the unique behavior of Windows 10.
When adjusting these controls, there is no Ok button with which to close the
dialog and confirm the option you selected.
In this circumstance, simply use Alt-F4 to close the specific setting
dialog.

Hth,

Rod

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Subject: buttons and we 9.51

Hi:

This should bea a simple  answer so here goes

 

Running windows 10 and we 9.51, when I hear button, how doI access it?

 

I thought it should be just enter but that does not work and then I thought
it would be space bar, also no good.

I sure am wrong some where.

 

Thanks

 

 

Don

 

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Re: becky mail

2016-08-04 Thread Dave via Talk 
I use Becky, but I remember trying setting after setting in an attempt
to get Becky to work.  At first, Becky would not Receive or Send email. 
then I stumbled upon getting it to Receive, but still could not Send. 
Lots more Fussing with Settings, and Finally, Becky would Send and
Receive Emails.  

My Favorite email Program is Eudora, and while some here have gotten it
to work, I just figured it was past time to move on to something New.  

Becky is OK, but so far, nothing I have tried is as easy to use as
Eudora.  Guess it is what you learn first  and get ultra familiar with
that sticks with you for Years.  

I have used Thunderbird, Windows Live, Becky, and one other that I
cannot remember its name, and for one reason or another, they all seem
awkward to me.  

Go Figure!

Grumpy Dave



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Re: Need some advice

2016-08-04 Thread Linette Sukup via Talk 



Is this anniversary update the whole thing, that is, the entire Windows 
10, or just updates for the original?

Just wondering.

Peace.
Linette



On 8/4/2016 7:46 PM, Michael Massey via Talk wrote:

Hi, again, Rick.  I just wanted to chime in to let you know that you have
Mark Solomon's suggestion and mine, grin.  Pick whichever option you wish to
try.  Should you choose to wait for the update to automatically download and
install on your machine, let us know how it went.  Oh yeah, Mark, let us
know as well, grin.

Mike M.

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Subject: Need some advice

I tried to upgrade to the new windows 10 today and when I got to a certain
point I got the following message.  Display : The display is not compatible
with Windows 10. Check with the manufacturer for support.
What are my options here?  I do not want to buy a new pc just to upgrade.
Are there drivers that will work with this display that windows will work
with?  I have a hp desktop  that came with windows 8.0 and since I have
upgraded to windows 10.  I did not have this problem when updating then.
What do I need to do?  Thanks for any help here.  Rick
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Re: buttons and we 9.51

2016-08-04 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk 
Right, but there are times when pressing the enter key works better when 
browse mode is turned off.

On 8/4/2016 2:25 PM, Tony C wrote:
> usualy it the space bar or enter
>
> -Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 12:20 PM
> To: Don Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: buttons and we 9.51
>
> Maybe try turning off browse mode?
>
> On 8/4/2016 12:06 PM, Don Smith via Talk wrote:
>> Hi:
>>
>> This should bea a simple  answer so here goes
>>
>>
>>
>> Running windows 10 and we 9.51, when I hear button, how doI access it?
>>
>>
>>
>> I thought it should be just enter but that does not work and then I
>> thought
>> it would be space bar, also no good.
>>
>> I sure am wrong some where.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>>
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RE: Need some advice

2016-08-04 Thread Michael Massey via Talk 
Hi, again, Rick.  I just wanted to chime in to let you know that you have
Mark Solomon's suggestion and mine, grin.  Pick whichever option you wish to
try.  Should you choose to wait for the update to automatically download and
install on your machine, let us know how it went.  Oh yeah, Mark, let us
know as well, grin.  

Mike M. 

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Behalf Of Rick Jarvis via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 6:00 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Need some advice

I tried to upgrade to the new windows 10 today and when I got to a certain
point I got the following message.  Display : The display is not compatible
with Windows 10. Check with the manufacturer for support. 
What are my options here?  I do not want to buy a new pc just to upgrade.
Are there drivers that will work with this display that windows will work
with?  I have a hp desktop  that came with windows 8.0 and since I have
upgraded to windows 10.  I did not have this problem when updating then.
What do I need to do?  Thanks for any help here.  Rick
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RE: my findings using Edge and Window-Eyes

2016-08-04 Thread Vic Pereira via Talk 
A little off topic, if you want to try Edge read up on the changes made to 
windows Narrator. Once you are familiar with the keyboard commands try Edge 
with Narrator.

Vic


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Subject: my findings using Edge and Window-Eyes

Hi there GROUP!

Well, I just finished logging into and deleting around 250 messages from my 
gMail account and it went off flawlessly! Not only was I able to log into my 
gMail account, but I was also able to rather easily delete around 250 messages 
from my account.  Now I realize this is a long way from having total 
accessibility, but I can honestly say this is an improvement over what i was 
able to do when I first got Windows 10.  I am running the latest version of 
Window-Eyes and I have had Windows 10 for about a month plus or minus.  Now I 
know this is a long way from total accessibility, but I do believe it is 
something. P.S. I do go and check the Edge browser occasionally, to see if it 
is functioning any better.  Not certain that it is,but it appears to be 
improving 'berry slowly'  Hang in there and I think we can all have something 
new to play with.  BTW, I do also have FireFox and Google Chrome as well as 
Internet Explorer so am not to concerned at this time about the accesibility of 
E
 dge - although I really would like to be able to give it a good workout! Just 
thought I would give that small bit of information.  Catch Ya Later! de

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RE: Need some advice

2016-08-04 Thread Michael Massey via Talk 
Hi, Rick.  I tried sending the text of a message I sent to another list to
which I am subscribed using the f-8 text selection method but for some
reason it didn't copy and paste the text into the message.  So, contact the
Microsoft Accessibility Answer Desk at 1-800-9365900.  Explain to the agent
what happened, and see if the agent will help you download the media
creation tool.  That is how I got the update rather than wait for the update
to be rolled out to my pc.  I'm not saying this suggestion will work for
you.  

Mike M  

P.S.  Remember that because the download and installation will take a while
to download and install the agent will disconnect the call.  My download and
installation took about five hours perhaps because of my connection speed,
and perhaps as an Ai Squared staff member put it, and I am paraphrasing,
"everybody and his brother are trying to download the update."  .

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Behalf Of Rick Jarvis via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 6:00 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Need some advice

I tried to upgrade to the new windows 10 today and when I got to a certain
point I got the following message.  Display : The display is not compatible
with Windows 10. Check with the manufacturer for support. 
What are my options here?  I do not want to buy a new pc just to upgrade.
Are there drivers that will work with this display that windows will work
with?  I have a hp desktop  that came with windows 8.0 and since I have
upgraded to windows 10.  I did not have this problem when updating then.
What do I need to do?  Thanks for any help here.  Rick
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Windows 10 update - the right way and the broken way was Re: Need some advice

2016-08-04 Thread Marc Solomon via Talk 
There are two ways to get the Windows 10 anniversary update. The first method 
is to wait for the update to be downloaded and installed by the Windows update 
utility. This is the recommended method because the other method is known to 
cause issues for screen reader users. Microsoft is now aware of the problem. My 
best advice is to just wait and the update will eventually be installed.
Best,
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> I tried to upgrade to the new windows 10 today and when I got to a 
> certain point I got the following message.  Display : The display is not 
> compatible with Windows 10. Check with the manufacturer for support. 
> What are my options here?  I do not want to buy a new pc just to 
> upgrade.  Are there drivers that will work with this display that 
> windows will work with?  I have a hp desktop  that came with windows 8.0 
> and since I have upgraded to windows 10.  I did not have this problem 
> when updating then.  What do I need to do?  Thanks for any help here.  Rick
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Need some advice

2016-08-04 Thread Rick Jarvis via Talk 
I tried to upgrade to the new windows 10 today and when I got to a 
certain point I got the following message.  Display : The display is not 
compatible with Windows 10. Check with the manufacturer for support. 
What are my options here?  I do not want to buy a new pc just to 
upgrade.  Are there drivers that will work with this display that 
windows will work with?  I have a hp desktop  that came with windows 8.0 
and since I have upgraded to windows 10.  I did not have this problem 
when updating then.  What do I need to do?  Thanks for any help here.  Rick

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Re: os for laptop

2016-08-04 Thread Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
I was surprised I could find a windows seven computer, but I had to go to 
V Photo and Video to get one.  The people at Best Buy sent me there.  Back 
in the end of 2012, when I wanted to get a windows seven laptop for somebody 
for Christmas, all the stores I went to said they didn’t have them anymore. 
They told me, specifically the guy I remember at Wal-mart, said he had to 
send all the windows seven computers they had left back "last month", as he 
put it.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:00 PM
To: Kevin Huber ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: os for laptop

SURPRISE for you!

Two days ago, a bigger dealer over here avertised laptops on a
Back-To-School sale, brand new, with Win7Pro on them. Out of three
models for sale, only ONE, was with Win10.

Enjoy your surprise.

Smiley.

Agreed, as time moves by, we might see the Win7 machines still in stock,
getting sold out. And yet, Some claimed a couple of years ago, that
since Win8.1 had taken over for Win8, and was such a great system, we
would no longer see Win7 systems for sale. Still, late as this very
week, we do see Win7 brand new systems for sale. Hard to predict what
will happen, so let's be realistic, instead of jumping to conclusions.

A person who wants a Win7 machine, will have a chance of either run
through the alternatives for local stores or certain netshops. Or, you
may want to buy a one year old second-hander, and get a machine with
much the same good specs as many of the brand new ones. Good news is,
that the second-hand machines may likely save you enough money, that you
right away can upgrade their hardware - RAM and SSD instead of the
traditional harddisk.

For many a user, an upgraded second-hand machine, with Win7 on it -
might be a FAR MORE stabil and value-for-the-dollar product, than what a
brand new Win10 with limited resources would be. Newest is far from
always the best.


David

On 8/3/2016 4:46 PM, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote:

Hi:

I would be very surprised if you can get Windows7 anymore.
Kevin Huber

On 8/1/16, hui thian via Talk  wrote:
Hi, kindly please what os should I get for my new laptop? is windows 10 
or 7

better? thanks
Best Regards
Hui Thian
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Re: windows 10 update automatic?

2016-08-04 Thread Larry Higgins via Talk 
Don, As for me, mine updated automagically over night, last night. The 
only major issue I was met with was WE for Office opening up in demo 
mode, making it necessary to revalidate my license,  which now leaves me 
with only one more chance. As of this moment, nobody from AI Squared has 
responded in order to tell me if this behavior is normal. I had this 
happen back in April when I finally bit the bullet and took advantage of 
the free upgrade. Other than that, and my sound card's enhancements 
being turned back on, everything went off without a hitch.


Everything is still working as it should.


On 8/4/2016 5:46 PM, Don Smith via Talk wrote:

Hi:

Is windows 10 automatic update not the default setting?



And if so, won't our computers get the automatic update without us doing
anything?



I guess we can get it ahead of time, but, if we wait will it not come down
at some point with no fuss?

Don





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Re: os for laptop

2016-08-04 Thread Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
Okay, I have a question.  For all you people who say windows ten is more 
secure:  how can that be when Microsoft gets to see everything on your 
computer whenever they want?  I don't call that security.  Pam.


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Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 6:57 AM
To: hui thian ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: os for laptop

In my opinion windows10 is better after all you can configure it similar to 
windows7 and it is more secure operating system.







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[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of hui thian via Talk

Sent: Monday, 01 August 2016 16:45
To: Reeva Webb via Talk
Subject: os for laptop

Hi, kindly please what os should I get for my new laptop? is windows 10 or 7 
better? thanks

Best Regards
Hui Thian
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Re: windows 10 update automatic?

2016-08-04 Thread Chris Skarstad via Talk 
At some point, it should arrive via windows update. With as 
many horror stories as i've heard about this i'm dreading the day that i 
have to update to it. ug.


 My pc works great the way it is now!




On 8/4/2016 6:46 PM, Don Smith via Talk wrote:

Hi:

Is windows 10 automatic update not the default setting?

  


And if so, won't our computers get the automatic update without us doing
anything?

  


I guess we can get it ahead of time, but, if we wait will it not come down
at some point with no fuss?

Don

  

  


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Re: backspacing in edit boxes in Google Chrome

2016-08-04 Thread Ashley Breger via Talk 
I know I've used to Google Chrome for school before. Window-Eyes doesn't 
exactly play nice with Google.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 4, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Don H via Talk  wrote:
> 
> Running latest WE on a Win 10 system.  We will not read the characters you 
> are trying to backspace over or read them with the left and right arrow keys. 
>  Seems to work in IE but not Google /Chrome.
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w e 9.5 will not start automatically with win10 anaversory

2016-08-04 Thread net bat via Talk 
with win10 anaversory i can not save the setting in the general menu to start w 
e when it gets to the desktop.
i can change the setting to always or use the global  settings and save the 
settings. but as soon as i close the w e control panel and open it agan it will 
go back to never.
it does the same when i reload w e. it will go back to the never setting every 
time i save the set fil settings.

this is running as administrator.


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just backup.

2016-08-04 Thread net bat via Talk 
do a full system backup before it upgrades itself then you can go back if you 
don't like it.


-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 1:50 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

What I find disturbing and quite frustrating is that we have to do all
this, just to install a version of Windows.  I fully understand that
Microsoft has a lot of work on their hands, releasing a major update to
an operating system is more work than I can possibly imagine. However,
so many people, including me, are having this issue when atempting to
install the anniversary update, and it shouldn't be that way.  Microsoft
is well aware that third party screenreader companies exist, but I think
they were so excited about their updates to narator, that they
completely forgot about the problems people may experience with other
screenreaders like JAWS and Window-eyes.  NVDA isn't included in this
because it doesn't use any kind of a display driver, yet it gets the
work done very well.  I'm wondering if AI Squared wouldn't do well to
try to figure out a similar strategy

, so that next time this sort of thing happens there wouldn't be such
frustration?  I mean, here it is, August 4th and the update still hasn't
come down for me yet.  To be quite honest at this very moment I'm
actually glad it hasn't, given some of the horror stories i've heard
about people who've installed the update.  I'm to the point in my life
where I don't want to do any screwing around, I just want stuff to work
and do what it's supposed to. We should not in any way shape or form
have to fiddle around with our computers just to make an update work.
we had to learn about this all on our own, and Microsoft has failed
big-time here.  The version I have on my machine of Windows 10 is one of
the most stable versions I've ever seen, but it sounds like this update
is a nightmare.  I've heard everything from people having crackly
sounds, to people not being able to log into their pc's, to all kinds of
other stuff.   So I must say at this point I really don't want the
update until I can be assured that everything is stable again.

I'm telling you guys, we absolutely should not have to do all this. it
should just work. It should be a case of installing the update, and it
just works.  We may need narator to finish the setup process, which i'm
ok with, but all this is just a mess.








On 8/4/2016 3:39 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:

Hi all.

I find this discussion disturbing, and wonder if we are dealing with some 
machine specific behaviours.


I've listened to two podcasts regarding Windows 10.  The Main Menu episode 
featuring Narrator's improvements did not discuss possible installation of 10 
issues.  Neither did Jonathan Mosen's "Blind Side" of yesterday, featuring 
Geoff Bishop, raise the sorts of problems this list is talking about.


I do agree that it looks as if Microsoft is being incredibly sloppy.

Unless I've missed something, I have not seen in the supplied documentation 
for Window-Eyes 9.5 any mention of update issues.  I most certainly recall 
screen reader companies going to great lengths to describe the need for 
removal of screen readers and their drivers when 10 came out last year.


Just hope my update works as I expect it to!


Vaughan.



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Sent: Friday, 5 August 2016 5:07 a.m.
To: Joseph Norton
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

I tried, even with the video drivers' from both jfw and window-eyes 
"neutralized" in device manager, using narrator and / or NVDA, but they had 
to be un-installed before I had any joy yesterday.
MicroSoft is sloppy too since someone should have known about this, in fact 
staff at both VFO / AI-Squared should have known that windows' 7 updater as 
such from last year were using a version of the video drivers that, though 
they work fine with the earlier version of windows ten from last November, 
will not allow the install of the anniversary update.

-
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K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 12:45:16 -0400
"Joseph Norton"  wrote:


Interesting thing about that.  I used a copy of the tool I had
downloaded a few months ago, and, it got the earlier version.  I had
to go to MicroSoft and get the download

New voice in Windows 10 Anniversary

2016-08-04 Thread Joseph Norton via Talk 
Hi list:

 

Well, I can't say a lot about the "new voices" in the Windows 10 anniversary
update.

 

Oddly enough, with Narrator and NVDA, the David voice seems more responsive
when typing, whereas, with Window-Eyes and JAWS, the voice seems about the
same, as far as typing echo goes.  It might have something to do with the
way individual characters are sent to the synthesizer for echoing.

 

Anyone else do any trials with these "new" voices?

 

Thanks!

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Re: becky mail

2016-08-04 Thread Brice Mijares via Talk 

Thanks for the info. I now can receive, but can't send.


   /
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From: "Mike Rogers" 
To: "Brice Mijares" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 


Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: becky mail


Contact Chris Grabowski at Window Eyes support.  He's the man for Becky 
problems.




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www.woodeneyemusic.com


On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 12:58:47 -0700
Brice Mijares via Talk  wrote:

I am having a problem setting up Becky mail to send and receive. I have a 
pop3, pop.att.yahoo.com and smpt.att.com. I added my user name and 
password and I can't get it to work. Any info getting to work would be 
appreciated.

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it worked!

2016-08-04 Thread Charles Short via Talk 
Hey everybody, my problem with virtualizing the messages worked. .I
uninstalled the Outlook Enhance App, reinstalled it, went to the add-ins,
disabled whatever add-ins there were, enabled the Outlook enhance add-in,
and that's it.  Thank you WE tech support. .You guys are amazing!


Charlie Short


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backspacing in edit boxes in Google Chrome

2016-08-04 Thread Don H via Talk 
Running latest WE on a Win 10 system.  We will not read the characters 
you are trying to backspace over or read them with the left and right 
arrow keys.  Seems to work in IE but not Google /Chrome.

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Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

2016-08-04 Thread Chris Skarstad via Talk 
What I find disturbing and quite frustrating is that we have to do all 
this, just to install a version of Windows.  I fully understand that 
Microsoft has a lot of work on their hands, releasing a major update to 
an operating system is more work than I can possibly imagine. However, 
so many people, including me, are having this issue when atempting to 
install the anniversary update, and it shouldn't be that way.  Microsoft 
is well aware that third party screenreader companies exist, but I think 
they were so excited about their updates to narator, that they 
completely forgot about the problems people may experience with other 
screenreaders like JAWS and Window-eyes.  NVDA isn't included in this 
because it doesn't use any kind of a display driver, yet it gets the 
work done very well.  I'm wondering if AI Squared wouldn't do well to 
try to figure out a similar strategy


, so that next time this sort of thing happens there wouldn't be such 
frustration?  I mean, here it is, August 4th and the update still hasn't 
come down for me yet.  To be quite honest at this very moment I'm 
actually glad it hasn't, given some of the horror stories i've heard 
about people who've installed the update.  I'm to the point in my life 
where I don't want to do any screwing around, I just want stuff to work 
and do what it's supposed to. We should not in any way shape or form 
have to fiddle around with our computers just to make an update work.  
we had to learn about this all on our own, and Microsoft has failed 
big-time here.  The version I have on my machine of Windows 10 is one of 
the most stable versions I've ever seen, but it sounds like this update 
is a nightmare.  I've heard everything from people having crackly 
sounds, to people not being able to log into their pc's, to all kinds of 
other stuff.   So I must say at this point I really don't want the 
update until I can be assured that everything is stable again.


I'm telling you guys, we absolutely should not have to do all this. it 
should just work. It should be a case of installing the update, and it 
just works.  We may need narator to finish the setup process, which i'm 
ok with, but all this is just a mess.









On 8/4/2016 3:39 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:

Hi all.

I find this discussion disturbing, and wonder if we are dealing with some 
machine specific behaviours.

I've listened to two podcasts regarding Windows 10.  The Main Menu episode featuring 
Narrator's improvements did not discuss possible installation of 10 issues.  Neither did 
Jonathan Mosen's "Blind Side" of yesterday, featuring Geoff Bishop, raise the 
sorts of problems this list is talking about.

I do agree that it looks as if Microsoft is being incredibly sloppy.

Unless I've missed something, I have not seen in the supplied documentation for 
Window-Eyes 9.5 any mention of update issues.  I most certainly recall screen 
reader companies going to great lengths to describe the need for removal of 
screen readers and their drivers when 10 came out last year.

Just hope my update works as I expect it to!


Vaughan.



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Sent: Friday, 5 August 2016 5:07 a.m.
To: Joseph Norton
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

I tried, even with the video drivers' from both jfw and window-eyes 
"neutralized" in device manager, using narrator and / or NVDA, but they had to 
be un-installed before I had any joy yesterday.
MicroSoft is sloppy too since someone should have known about this, in fact 
staff at both VFO / AI-Squared should have known that windows' 7 updater as 
such from last year were using a version of the video drivers that, though they 
work fine with the earlier version of windows ten from last November, will not 
allow the install of the anniversary update.
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 12:45:16 -0400
"Joseph Norton"  wrote:


Interesting thing about that.  I used a copy of the tool I had
downloaded a few months ago, and, it got the earlier version.  I had
to go to MicroSoft and get the download from there, which gave me the latest 
version.

I can't say anything about my particular system, because I did a fresh
install with the tool, and, didn't have anything other than narrator
running when I upgraded.  I'm funny about how I do things like this.


-Original

RE: becky mail

2016-08-04 Thread Chris Grabowski via Talk 
If your servers are correct, more than likely  you need to check the two ssl 
boxes in general and go to advance and change the pop port to 995 and smtp port 
to 465.


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On Behalf Of Brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 3:59 PM
To: talk window eyes 
Subject: becky mail

I am having a problem setting up Becky mail to send and receive. I have a 
pop3, pop.att.yahoo.com and smpt.att.com. I added my user name and password 
and I can't get it to work. Any info getting to work would be appreciated. 

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becky mail

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I am having a problem setting up Becky mail to send and receive. I have a 
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RE: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

2016-08-04 Thread Vaughan Dodd via Talk 
Hi all.

I find this discussion disturbing, and wonder if we are dealing with some 
machine specific behaviours.

I've listened to two podcasts regarding Windows 10.  The Main Menu episode 
featuring Narrator's improvements did not discuss possible installation of 10 
issues.  Neither did Jonathan Mosen's "Blind Side" of yesterday, featuring 
Geoff Bishop, raise the sorts of problems this list is talking about.

I do agree that it looks as if Microsoft is being incredibly sloppy.

Unless I've missed something, I have not seen in the supplied documentation for 
Window-Eyes 9.5 any mention of update issues.  I most certainly recall screen 
reader companies going to great lengths to describe the need for removal of 
screen readers and their drivers when 10 came out last year.

Just hope my update works as I expect it to!


Vaughan.



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Sent: Friday, 5 August 2016 5:07 a.m.
To: Joseph Norton
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

I tried, even with the video drivers' from both jfw and window-eyes 
"neutralized" in device manager, using narrator and / or NVDA, but they had to 
be un-installed before I had any joy yesterday. 
MicroSoft is sloppy too since someone should have known about this, in fact 
staff at both VFO / AI-Squared should have known that windows' 7 updater as 
such from last year were using a version of the video drivers that, though they 
work fine with the earlier version of windows ten from last November, will not 
allow the install of the anniversary update.
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 12:45:16 -0400
"Joseph Norton"  wrote:

> Interesting thing about that.  I used a copy of the tool I had 
> downloaded a few months ago, and, it got the earlier version.  I had 
> to go to MicroSoft and get the download from there, which gave me the latest 
> version.
> 
> I can't say anything about my particular system, because I did a fresh 
> install with the tool, and, didn't have anything other than narrator 
> running when I upgraded.  I'm funny about how I do things like this.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Curtis Delzer via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 12:09 AM
> To: Don Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition
> 
> I; hope that those who did run the tool got the latest updated windows. 
> -
> Curtis Delzer, HS.
> K6VFO
> San Bernardino, CA
> 
> On Wed, 3 Aug 2016 19:52:12 -0400
> Don Smith via Talk  wrote:
> 
> > Hi Gerry:
> > 
> > Ok, I am running windows 10, and we 9.51 And have downloaded the 
> > tool file from micro soft.
> > 
> > By just running the tool file, is that it and the download will start?
> > Thanks
> > Don
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Re: buttons and we 9.51

2016-08-04 Thread Tony C via Talk 

usualy it the space bar or enter

-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 12:20 PM
To: Don Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: buttons and we 9.51

Maybe try turning off browse mode?

On 8/4/2016 12:06 PM, Don Smith via Talk wrote:

Hi:

This should bea a simple  answer so here goes



Running windows 10 and we 9.51, when I hear button, how doI access it?



I thought it should be just enter but that does not work and then I 
thought

it would be space bar, also no good.

I sure am wrong some where.



Thanks





Don



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Re: windows ten 1607 update issues

2016-08-04 Thread matthew dyer via Talk 

RJ,


Are you using the MCT?  If so, you will need to remove the wineyes 
display driver and wineyes itself run the upgrade then reinstall your 
software and all will be well.  If how ever you are trying to go through 
windows update, not sure what is going on there.



Matthew




On 08/04/2016 11:25 AM, RJ Sandefur via Talk wrote:

Dear AI squared staff: I am using window eyes 9.5, and I can't update to
windows update 16.7. Why is this, is aisquared aware of the issue, and
if so, what are the programers doing in order to fix this issue? I am
disappointed. RJ

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Re: buttons and we 9.51

2016-08-04 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk 
Maybe try turning off browse mode?

On 8/4/2016 12:06 PM, Don Smith via Talk wrote:
> Hi:
>
> This should bea a simple  answer so here goes
>
>
>
> Running windows 10 and we 9.51, when I hear button, how doI access it?
>
>
>
> I thought it should be just enter but that does not work and then I thought
> it would be space bar, also no good.
>
> I sure am wrong some where.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
> Don
>
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Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

2016-08-04 Thread Curtis Delzer via Talk 
I tried, even with the video drivers' from both jfw and window-eyes
"neutralized" in device manager, using narrator and / or NVDA, but they
had to be un-installed before I had any joy yesterday. 
MicroSoft is sloppy too since someone should have known about this, in
fact staff at both VFO / AI-Squared should have known that windows' 7
updater as such from last year were using a version of the video
drivers that, though they work fine with the earlier version of windows
ten from last November, will not allow the install of the anniversary
update.
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 12:45:16 -0400
"Joseph Norton"  wrote:

> Interesting thing about that.  I used a copy of the tool I had downloaded a
> few months ago, and, it got the earlier version.  I had to go to MicroSoft
> and get the download from there, which gave me the latest version.
> 
> I can't say anything about my particular system, because I did a fresh
> install with the tool, and, didn't have anything other than narrator running
> when I upgraded.  I'm funny about how I do things like this.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Curtis Delzer via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 12:09 AM
> To: Don Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> 
> Subject: Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition
> 
> I; hope that those who did run the tool got the latest updated windows. 
> -
> Curtis Delzer, HS.
> K6VFO
> San Bernardino, CA
> 
> On Wed, 3 Aug 2016 19:52:12 -0400
> Don Smith via Talk  wrote:
> 
> > Hi Gerry:
> > 
> > Ok, I am running windows 10, and we 9.51 And have downloaded the tool 
> > file from micro soft.
> > 
> > By just running the tool file, is that it and the download will start?
> > Thanks
> > Don
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RE: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

2016-08-04 Thread Joseph Norton via Talk 
Interesting thing about that.  I used a copy of the tool I had downloaded a
few months ago, and, it got the earlier version.  I had to go to MicroSoft
and get the download from there, which gave me the latest version.

I can't say anything about my particular system, because I did a fresh
install with the tool, and, didn't have anything other than narrator running
when I upgraded.  I'm funny about how I do things like this.


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To: Don Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

I; hope that those who did run the tool got the latest updated windows. 
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

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Don Smith via Talk  wrote:

> Hi Gerry:
> 
> Ok, I am running windows 10, and we 9.51 And have downloaded the tool 
> file from micro soft.
> 
> By just running the tool file, is that it and the download will start?
> Thanks
> Don
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RE: buttons and we 9.51

2016-08-04 Thread Chris Grabowski via Talk 
Where are you when you hear button?  What activity are you trying to perform?


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On Behalf Of Don Smith via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 12:06 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: buttons and we 9.51

Hi:

This should bea a simple  answer so here goes

 

Running windows 10 and we 9.51, when I hear button, how doI access it?

 

I thought it should be just enter but that does not work and then I thought it 
would be space bar, also no good.

I sure am wrong some where.

 

Thanks

 

 

Don

 

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buttons and we 9.51

2016-08-04 Thread Don Smith via Talk 
Hi:

This should bea a simple  answer so here goes

 

Running windows 10 and we 9.51, when I hear button, how doI access it?

 

I thought it should be just enter but that does not work and then I thought
it would be space bar, also no good.

I sure am wrong some where.

 

Thanks

 

 

Don

 

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Fw: Problem with computer need your help

2016-08-04 Thread hui thian via Talk 

- Original Message - 
From: hui thian 
To: Rod Hutton 
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 10:16 PM
Subject: Problem with computer need your help


Hi Rod, I just got a new desk top for my office and the os is windows 7. may I 
know how come after I install window-eyes 9.00 on the desk top it is not 
working well? it seems to always keep quiet and have no sound when I am using 
it. please advise what should I do to solve this. thanks
Best Regards
Hui Thian
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problem with windows 7

2016-08-04 Thread hui thian via Talk 
Hi, can some 1 please advise for windows 7 desk top what version of window-eyes 
is best to use on the os? I install window-eyes 9.00 and it always keep silent 
when I am working on the os. please advise how do I get rid of this problem. it 
is very frustrating. thanks
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RE: windows ten 1607 update issues

2016-08-04 Thread Steve Clower via Talk 
This is a Microsoft problem which they are aware of. Do not use the bootstrap 
tool, but wait for 1607 to come down via Windows Update.



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Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 11:26 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: windows ten 1607 update issues

Dear AI squared staff: I am using window eyes 9.5, and I can't update to 
windows update 16.7. Why is this, is aisquared aware of the issue, and 
if so, what are the programers doing in order to fix this issue? I am 
disappointed. RJ

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windows ten 1607 update issues

2016-08-04 Thread RJ Sandefur via Talk 
Dear AI squared staff: I am using window eyes 9.5, and I can't update to 
windows update 16.7. Why is this, is aisquared aware of the issue, and 
if so, what are the programers doing in order to fix this issue? I am 
disappointed. RJ

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RE: Google Chrome

2016-08-04 Thread Marc Solomon via Talk 
Don,
In Chrome favorites are called bookmarks. You can press Alt+F followed by B, to 
access the Bookmarks menu in Chrome. Control+D is the shortcut to open the add 
Bookmark dialog that can be used to quickly add the current web page to your 
Bookmarks. 
Best,
Marc

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Subject: Google Chrome

Is there a shortcut in Chrome to bring up your favorites?
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Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

2016-08-04 Thread David via Talk 

Oh, OK, you found the point I missed, didn't you. :)

I of course did mean the LIGHT version should be that light, that it did 
not hang on the same stuff as the full version. It should simply just be 
a way for the screen reader to creep out of a tight spot. In this 
particular case, the way I get it, the Display driver or something along 
that line, is the bottleneck. Maybe that is why NVDA does work, since it 
may not have such a display driver thing. Well, then, why not a light 
version of the heavy-pounder screen readers, which would kick into 
action, when the main core did not get through. Or, at least, the user 
would have a chance to start the light version.


OK, I hear you all. Why invent the wheel all over. See that is not my 
point, to have such reinvention. But it does not help a less trained 
user, if he has to operate another screen reader, with all its 
differences in key-commands for controlling the operation. He wants to 
be able to operate the system he has learned through hard hours, and use 
the commands and controls he is used to. OK, none of the advanced 
features or loads of apps will be running. But if you start NVDA, and 
you simply want to read the Window title, don't be surprised that the 
Cttrl-Shift-T command will produce no result to you. You now will have 
to press something like Insert-T, which you are used to hit for having 
read the current time (in Window-Eyes). See how quickly a user would get 
lost? If he had a light version of WE, which would run the very basic 
screen reader functionality, without any super-advanced driver or 
bottom-software, he could continue to use the familiar keystrokes, till 
he had everything back in order, and could again be running full-sized.


No, it is no big deal - for all of us who are doing this kind of 
multi-screen reader operation all the time; due to our expensive product 
not always working. And it is likely no big deal, for all those of us 
who has been behind assistive computers for several decades, and been 
using so many different pieces of software up through the years, that we 
simply just have come to a point of some mental multi-tasking, 
memorizing all kind of command keystrokes - past and present. Yet, I 
dare say, even among the list members, there likely would be quite a 
number of users, who will find it no less than confusing to have to 
operate several screen readers to get a job done. And what if you are 
trying to install, and speech disappear? How will you even be able to 
check the list archives for suggestions, that would tell you to download 
and install the NVDA screen reader, then to have to familirize yourself 
with the commands in that software. Remember, speech has disappeared, so 
how would a user do that?


OK, tell all users to install NVDA, and at least get it set up for their 
likings, just in case they might need it some time down the road. That 
is what we - the more advanced ones do, ain't it. But then, why not have 
AISquared simply tell the user - as part of their initial installation 
process:
"Our product may crash on you, through this installation, so would 
you please cancel and go get a freeware screen reader, which may help 
you out where we don't..."
Sure; it is ironic; such an idea. But in reality, that is where the user 
end up anyway, the way things are today.


Yes, WE and Jaws along with other big screen readers, they all are like 
jetplanes - compared to the slow-train of NVDA. But if they want to be 
jetplanes, then make sure the plane will be possible to fly, even should 
one or two engines fail. Don't expect every user on this globe, to 
automatically know, that if his paid-for product fails, then he can just 
jump the wagon of the free alternative.



David

On 8/4/2016 12:29 PM, Dave wrote:

Yes David, I too find it quite ironic that I, at times, need to use NVDA
in order to fix the High End Commershal one.

But, getting to my real point, I think you have a great idea there.  To
have a Little Brother edition of Window Eyes, one to use when doing
fixes, or Installs would be great.

Of course, the reason why Big Brother does not work, may also keep the
Little Brother from working, since they both are probably going to be
using the same method to read the screen.  NVDA seems to use some other
method than JAWS or WE.

I would probably use NVDA all the time, but I have found a couple of
programs it won't read, and Win eyes will, so I stay with Win Eyes.

Grumpy Dave




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Re: WE display and W10drivers

2016-08-04 Thread Russ Kiehne via Talk 
I just bought this computer last month.  I installed WE 9.2 from the cd and 
upgraded to 9.5.1 when it came out.  I used the check for update option and 
after it downloaded, I was ask to restart the computer and all went as 
expected.


-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 5:32 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WE display and W10drivers

Hi Chris,
My new Windows 10 laptop is the same, it never had anything older installed,
and yet it would not upgrade until I removed Window-Eyes, then it upgraded
without a hitch using NVDA.
I'm not very impressed with the process, something somewhere along the line
has gotten broken!

Jim.

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From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 12:33 PM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WE display and W10drivers

Hi


The first version of WE to be installed on this Windows 10 machine was
Window-eyes version 9.4.1.0, and then I updated to 9.5. so something's
screwy here.




On 8/4/2016 7:28 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Me too:
I installed windows 10 without any problems since my machine came with
windows 8 and I didn't have those old windows 7 drivers from AISquared
installed.
Rick USA

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Behalf Of RJ Sandefur via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 6:43 AM
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Subject: Re: WE display and W10drivers

I'd like to know the same thing! Very disappointed!


On 8/4/2016 5:38 AM, Neville via Talk wrote:

 Hi,

My system had a clean install of W10 64 bit in Maywith WE 9.3 being
installed immediately after.WE 9.4 followed shortly after and now it
has version 9.5. Apart from the current version of NVDA, there is no
other speech or access programmes installed.


My question is,  is it the WE display driver installed prior to
version 9.3 which is stopping the installation of the W10 update? In
other words, having no WE version prior to WE 9.3, there should not be
a problem updating my system when the time comes.  Is this correct?

Thanks
Neville.
.

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Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

2016-08-04 Thread Matthew Chao via Talk 

That sounds like the Anniversary Edition.--Matthew Chao




On 8/4/2016 12:36 AM, net bat via Talk wrote:

what is your build number that was installed?
i have been trying to find out if i got the final release.
i haven't found it anyware with google.
the version i got is 1607 build 1493.10
this one installed without haveing to uninstall w e or the jaws 17 
demo i have.


-Original Message- From: Curtis Delzer via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 9:03 PM
To: Chris Grabowski ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

Chris, as you know I was using window-eyes 9.5.10, and the issue is that
I had run the install  for window-eyes 8.0 which was the base install
for my 9.5.10. I found this out when I uninstalled last night for the
first time. In that way I found out that the installer did not remove my
we display driver at all. Many of us customers updated from windows 7 to
ten initially last July, 2015, so we have to remove window-eyes
including deleting the drivers from within control panel and device
manager. I was only able to update to the current windows anniversary
update after I did this.
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Wed, 3 Aug 2016 20:34:00 +
Chris Grabowski via Talk  wrote:

Make sure you are using the latest Zoomtext released yesterday and 
Window-eyes 9.5.1.

Chris



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On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 1:39 PM
To: pete gurney ; Window-Eyes Discussion 
List ; Chris Skarstad 


Subject: Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

OK, and please. Where do you go to find out if you have this troublesome
display driver, and what is the safest way to uninstall.


Thanks,

Larry

On 8/3/2016 12:01 PM, pete gurney via Talk wrote:
> hi chris,
>
> unfortunately, to install the anniversary update you need to uninstall
> the window-eyes display driver and any freedom scientific drivers that
> you have installed before it will go ahead.
> thankfully the free screen reader NVDA will continue to work for you
> while you get the update started.
>
> pete.
>
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Important: Anniversary Update advisory on display compatibility flag: Microsoft is aware of this issue #WinTen1607

2016-08-04 Thread Russ Kiehne via Talk 
I saw the following on another list:

From: Joseph Lee 
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 9:37 PM
To: blindt...@groups.io 
Subject: [BlindTech] Important: Anniversary Update advisory on display 
compatibility flag: Microsoft is aware of this issue #WinTen1607

Hi everyone,

 

According to Kelly Ford (senior program manager at Microsoft), Microsoft is 
aware of the following issue:

 

When you run Media Creation Tool (MCT) in order to upgrade to Anniversary 
Update, due to presence of some screen reader components (specifically, a 
display driver), MCT will raise display compatibility flag. This was observed 
on JAWS for Windows, Window-Eyes and Zoom Text. The workaround is to remove 
these display drivers and running MCT (end result not fully verified), or wait 
for Version 1607 to show up on Windows Update.

 

Freedom Scientific was notified of this issue. Information in this advisory may 
change once updated information becomes available.

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

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Re: New voice work from MicroSoft and WE for Office

2016-08-04 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk 

Just open the Window-Eyes control panel, Devices, Synthesizers.
Tab once.
If you're not on SAPI press S until you are.
Tab again and select Microsoft David.
Then tab through the rest of the options, make any needed changes, then 
activate and confirm.


Hth,
Tom


On 8/4/2016 9:03 AM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:

Hi:



In the recent Main Menu podcast, one of the reps from MicroSoft said they
had new voices in Windows 10 Aniversary Edition.  Though I haven't noticed
too much difference, it does seem as if the David voice may be a tad more
responsive when typing.



Is it possible that David with its new responsiveness might replace Zira in
the WE for Office product?



Thanks!

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Fw: Winamp Help-

2016-08-04 Thread Tom Fairhurst via Talk 
To be more specific, this problem particularly occurs when the songs on an 
album have different artists.


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 11:06 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Winamp Help-

Recently, I have had a problem with my media library displaying albums in 
track order. I have uninstalled and reinstalled Winamp, but still no help. 
Lef-clicking on Title, Artust, or Album columns no longer changes the 
display. My library is quite large, but I have 8 gigs of RAM on aWindows 7 
64-bit Pro computer with the latest build ofWindow-Eyes. I have restarted 
Winamp and rebooted the PC but no help.

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Anniversary Update advisory: if using JAWS, wait until Version 1607 shows up on Windows Update #MSFTEnable #WinTen1607

2016-08-04 Thread Russ Kiehne via Talk 
I wonder if this would apply to those of you who are having problems upgrading? 
   

From: Joseph Lee 
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 12:20 PM
To: blindt...@groups.io 
Subject: [BlindTech] Anniversary Update advisory: if using JAWS, wait until 
Version 1607 shows up on Windows Update #MSFTEnable #WinTen1607

Hi JAWS users,

Comes from Twitter (from a reliable source) and was subsequently confirmed 
based on experience:

 

If you are using JAWS for Windows and if you attempt to use Media Creation Tool 
(MCT) to upgrade to Windows 10 Anniversary Update (Version 1607/build 14393), 
you’ll be greeted with a message that says your display is incompatible. After 
some investigation, it was traced to FS mirror display driver, especially on 
systems that have upgraded from Windows 7 to 10.

 

For members of the win10 group and its subgroups (termed group cluster): the 
following advisory is in effect:

 

1.   Use JAWS 17.0.2619 or later.

2.   Do NOT use Media Creation Tool at this time; wait for Version 1607 to 
show up on Windows Update (I was able to confirm this, as I have managed to 
upgrade to build 14393 with J17 installed and did it via Windows Update).

 

If you have questions about this and other issues when upgrading to Anniversary 
Update, please contact Microsoft Accessibility Help Desk, mention @MSFTEnable 
or @FreedomSci on Twitter or contact Freedom Scientific (now part of Vision 
Freedom Optelec (VFO)). Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

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Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

2016-08-04 Thread Russ Kiehne via Talk 
I was able to upgrade to the Anniversary edition without removing Window 
Eyes.  I did the upgrade from the windows update option.


-Original Message- 
From: pete gurney via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:01 AM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

hi chris,

unfortunately, to install the anniversary update you need to uninstall
the window-eyes display driver and any freedom scientific drivers that
you have installed before it will go ahead.
thankfully the free screen reader NVDA will continue to work for you
while you get the update started.

pete.
--
pete gurney 

On Wed, 03 Aug 2016 12:44:19 -0400
Chris Skarstad via Talk  wrote:


Hi folks

I'm still not having any luck installing the Windows 10 anniversary 
update.   the win 10 upgrade assistant reports that my display isn't 
compadible, but i'm running Windows 10 already and from what i'm told by 
sighted folks, it looks just exactly as it should.  i even went so far as 
to check to see if the ati display adapter had any updates, which it 
doesn't.  I'm just confused, and don't know what to do to get this to 
work. i know others are experiencing the same thing, so i'm hoping someone 
can find an answer soon.  If anyone has any ideas, let me know what I can 
do.

 Thanks!



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New voice work from MicroSoft and WE for Office

2016-08-04 Thread Joseph Norton via Talk 
Hi:

 

In the recent Main Menu podcast, one of the reps from MicroSoft said they
had new voices in Windows 10 Aniversary Edition.  Though I haven't noticed
too much difference, it does seem as if the David voice may be a tad more
responsive when typing.

 

Is it possible that David with its new responsiveness might replace Zira in
the WE for Office product?

 

Thanks!

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RE: keep hearing feeds for united states closed

2016-08-04 Thread Kurlander Richard (750000) via Talk 
Fixed the problem somehow control was checked unchecked and the problem fixed.

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When I open ie11 I keep hearing treeview feeds for united states closed. How 
can I fix that?
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keep hearing feeds for united states closed

2016-08-04 Thread Kurlander Richard (750000) via Talk 
When I open ie11 I keep hearing treeview feeds for united states closed. How 
can I fix that?
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Re: WE display and W10drivers

2016-08-04 Thread Jim via Talk 

Hi Chris,
My new Windows 10 laptop is the same, it never had anything older installed, 
and yet it would not upgrade until I removed Window-Eyes, then it upgraded 
without a hitch using NVDA.
I'm not very impressed with the process, something somewhere along the line 
has gotten broken!


Jim.

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 12:33 PM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WE display and W10drivers

Hi


The first version of WE to be installed on this Windows 10 machine was
Window-eyes version 9.4.1.0, and then I updated to 9.5. so something's
screwy here.




On 8/4/2016 7:28 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Me too:
I installed windows 10 without any problems since my machine came with
windows 8 and I didn't have those old windows 7 drivers from AISquared
installed.
Rick USA

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On

Behalf Of RJ Sandefur via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 6:43 AM
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Subject: Re: WE display and W10drivers

I'd like to know the same thing! Very disappointed!


On 8/4/2016 5:38 AM, Neville via Talk wrote:

 Hi,

My system had a clean install of W10 64 bit in Maywith WE 9.3 being
installed immediately after.WE 9.4 followed shortly after and now it
has version 9.5. Apart from the current version of NVDA, there is no
other speech or access programmes installed.


My question is,  is it the WE display driver installed prior to
version 9.3 which is stopping the installation of the W10 update? In
other words, having no WE version prior to WE 9.3, there should not be
a problem updating my system when the time comes.  Is this correct?

Thanks
Neville.
.

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Re: Had to reactivate SNO after anniversary update

2016-08-04 Thread Larry Higgins via Talk 

Rick,

Let me reassure you by saying that your chances of having the driver 
issues are probably pretty small, especially if you just installed the 
latest upgrade. Mine just updated completely without assistance over 
night while I slept. I even put the 'puter to sleep, and it updated 
anyway, and besides my demo issue, and my sound card being reset to use 
enhancements, I had no other hitches. At least because of the state of 
my sound card, and the demo warning, I knew that something had happened 
.


And yes, I do have a payed version of Elequence here as well. So far all 
seems to be working well.



Good luck,

Larry


On 8/4/2016 6:21 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:

Hi: I too run the Office version.Will I have to figure out how to
ReEstablish my WE authorization stuff?
The JAWS users I know don't have to do this and I forget how to do it so
will be having more and more problems since I have a paid version of the
Eloquence voices, the WindowEyes screen reader and of course all the
WindowEyes driver problems that all are talking about.
My JAWS friend did nnot have any of these problems at all, said everything
is just left in place and functioning after his update.
He is running all current versions of his software so I am wondering if I am
now running Windows 10, the upgrade from windows 8.0 and 8.1 if I will have
to try and figure all this out and is there a step by step someplace to
solve all the above from AISquared anyplace you know of?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 6:39 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Had to reactivate SNO after anniversary update

As I'm sure most of you don't remember, like I remember that when
upgrading from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 back in April, I was placed
back into demo mode, and ultimately found the option in the licensing
dialog box of WE help to reactivate my serial number, and all was well
from then on. Well, over night after MS updated my machine with the
latest and hopefully greatest, I once again woke up in demo mode. I
repeated the same process, and all once again went as it should have.
So, this is my question.

I am now left with only one reactivation opportunity, and am pretty sure
that I will have to go through this process the next time MS comes up
with a major update, or upgrade. So, once I run out, then what can I do.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot to mention that I am using the Window-Eyes
Office version.

Any help will be greatly appreciated,

Larry
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Re: WE display and W10drivers

2016-08-04 Thread Chris Skarstad via Talk 

Hi


The first version of WE to be installed on this Windows 10 machine was 
Window-eyes version 9.4.1.0, and then I updated to 9.5. so something's 
screwy here.





On 8/4/2016 7:28 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Me too:
I installed windows 10 without any problems since my machine came with
windows 8 and I didn't have those old windows 7 drivers from AISquared
installed.
Rick USA

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of RJ Sandefur via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 6:43 AM
To: Neville ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: WE display and W10drivers

I'd like to know the same thing! Very disappointed!


On 8/4/2016 5:38 AM, Neville via Talk wrote:

 Hi,

My system had a clean install of W10 64 bit in Maywith WE 9.3 being
installed immediately after.WE 9.4 followed shortly after and now it
has version 9.5. Apart from the current version of NVDA, there is no
other speech or access programmes installed.


My question is,  is it the WE display driver installed prior to
version 9.3 which is stopping the installation of the W10 update? In
other words, having no WE version prior to WE 9.3, there should not be
a problem updating my system when the time comes.  Is this correct?

Thanks
Neville.
.

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RE: WE display and W10drivers

2016-08-04 Thread Rick Thomas via Talk 
Me too:
I installed windows 10 without any problems since my machine came with
windows 8 and I didn't have those old windows 7 drivers from AISquared
installed.
Rick USA

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Behalf Of RJ Sandefur via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 6:43 AM
To: Neville ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: WE display and W10drivers

I'd like to know the same thing! Very disappointed!


On 8/4/2016 5:38 AM, Neville via Talk wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My system had a clean install of W10 64 bit in Maywith WE 9.3 being 
> installed immediately after.WE 9.4 followed shortly after and now it 
> has version 9.5. Apart from the current version of NVDA, there is no 
> other speech or access programmes installed.
>
>
> My question is,  is it the WE display driver installed prior to 
> version 9.3 which is stopping the installation of the W10 update? In 
> other words, having no WE version prior to WE 9.3, there should not be 
> a problem updating my system when the time comes.  Is this correct?
>
> Thanks
> Neville.
> .
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RE: Had to reactivate SNO after anniversary update

2016-08-04 Thread Rick Thomas via Talk 
Hi: I too run the Office version.Will I have to figure out how to
ReEstablish my WE authorization stuff?
The JAWS users I know don't have to do this and I forget how to do it so
will be having more and more problems since I have a paid version of the
Eloquence voices, the WindowEyes screen reader and of course all the
WindowEyes driver problems that all are talking about.
My JAWS friend did nnot have any of these problems at all, said everything
is just left in place and functioning after his update.
He is running all current versions of his software so I am wondering if I am
now running Windows 10, the upgrade from windows 8.0 and 8.1 if I will have
to try and figure all this out and is there a step by step someplace to
solve all the above from AISquared anyplace you know of?
Rick USA

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Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 6:39 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Had to reactivate SNO after anniversary update

As I'm sure most of you don't remember, like I remember that when 
upgrading from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 back in April, I was placed 
back into demo mode, and ultimately found the option in the licensing 
dialog box of WE help to reactivate my serial number, and all was well 
from then on. Well, over night after MS updated my machine with the 
latest and hopefully greatest, I once again woke up in demo mode. I 
repeated the same process, and all once again went as it should have. 
So, this is my question.

I am now left with only one reactivation opportunity, and am pretty sure 
that I will have to go through this process the next time MS comes up 
with a major update, or upgrade. So, once I run out, then what can I do.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot to mention that I am using the Window-Eyes 
Office version.

Any help will be greatly appreciated,

Larry
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Re: WE display and W10drivers

2016-08-04 Thread RJ Sandefur via Talk 
I'd like to know the same thing! Very disappointed!


On 8/4/2016 5:38 AM, Neville via Talk wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My system had a clean install of W10 64 bit in Maywith WE 9.3 being 
> installed immediately after.WE 9.4 followed shortly after and now it 
> has version 9.5. Apart from the current version of NVDA, there is no 
> other speech or access programmes installed.
>
>
> My question is,  is it the WE display driver installed prior to 
> version 9.3 which is stopping the installation of the W10 update? In 
> other words, having no WE version prior to WE 9.3, there should not be 
> a problem updating my system when the time comes.  Is this correct?
>
> Thanks
> Neville.
> .
>
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Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

2016-08-04 Thread Larry Higgins via Talk 

Michael,

My sounds did indeed change. It became quite distorted. This also 
happened when I upgraded from Windows 8.1 to 10. My card is an on board 
Realtek sound card so all I had to do was go into the properties and tab 
to the enhancements and disable them, and now all is right with speech 
and WE.



On 8/3/2016 11:19 PM, michaels mail via Talk wrote:

Hi Bob i also updated my HP Notebook to the win 10 anniversary last
night all went well.
But i di dfind after the sound changed on my notebook it sounds
desturted now.
Did your sound change too.
Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 2:07 AM
To: pete gurney ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

I updated my HP I7 laptop this morning without a problem.  My desktop
which is running win 10 pro is not showing the upgrade yet.


I did not have to uninstall the Win-Eyes display driver on my laptop to
successfully install the upgrade.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 8/3/2016 1:01 PM, pete gurney via Talk wrote:

hi chris,

unfortunately, to install the anniversary update you need to uninstall
the window-eyes display driver and any freedom scientific drivers that
you have installed before it will go ahead.
thankfully the free screen reader NVDA will continue to work for you
while you get the update started.

pete.


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WE display and W10drivers

2016-08-04 Thread Neville via Talk 

Hi,

My system had a clean install of W10 64 bit in Maywith WE 9.3 being 
installed immediately after.WE 9.4 followed shortly after and now it has 
version 9.5. Apart from the current version of NVDA, there is no other 
speech or access programmes installed.



My question is,  is it the WE display driver installed prior to version 
9.3 which is stopping the installation of the W10 update? In other 
words, having no WE version prior to WE 9.3, there should not be a 
problem updating my system when the time comes.  Is this correct?


Thanks
Neville.
.

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Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

2016-08-04 Thread john pitts via Talk 
well we have got one, it’s called NVDA, and it’s free, and after this 
sherade with the new windows update, i won’t be spending any more money on any 
of the screen readers, that you have to take a second mortgage for, that’s my 2 
pence worth.

From: David via Talk 
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 9:32 AM
To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Chris Skarstad 
Subject: Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

Ain't this simply just too funny.

Go pay a thousand dollars for a screen reader, and then you have to use 
a freeware one to get things installed. No, guys, this time I am not 
here to complain, simply just think it to be a smiler.

One thing the makers of the paid-for screen readers now aday may want to 
consider, is if it would not have been an idea to have a somehow light 
version of the screen reader, that would kick in when installing things. 
Let us have all the jingles and bells, when we need it, but let us have 
a screen reader that helps us out when all we need is speech.

To tell the user to go and get another screen reader, so as to have 
their paid-for product up running; well, to a less trained new user, may 
seem not just strange, but directly get them worried.

Just thought to throw the idea on the board, even if we have had it 
there before. But relying on the amount of messages seen on the list the 
last few days, in this regard, tells me something might be wanted to be 
a bit more smooth running in the future. BTW, has NVDA been translated 
into all the languages supported by Jaws and Window-Eyes? Or, would we 
end up with a user in a foreign language, having to pay for his screen 
reader in his language, but use a non-translated version of NVDA for his 
installation tweaking? That at least, from many years of training 
non-English users, I could say would throw a multitude off the wagon.


David

On 8/4/2016 5:59 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
> you need to uninstall window-eyes and jfw and then go to the control
> panel in device manager making sure both the freedom scientific display
> driver and the window-eyes driver are removed. Using NVDA, you can then
> install the update. I tried a lot of contortions before I got it to work.
> -
> Curtis Delzer, HS.
> K6VFO
> San Bernardino, CA
>
> On Wed, 03 Aug 2016 12:44:19 -0400
> Chris Skarstad via Talk  wrote:
>
>> Hi folks
>>
>> I'm still not having any luck installing the Windows 10 anniversary update.  
>>  the win 10 upgrade assistant reports that my display isn't compadible, but 
>> i'm running Windows 10 already and from what i'm told by sighted folks, it 
>> looks just exactly as it should.  i even went so far as to check to see if 
>> the ati display adapter had any updates, which it doesn't.  I'm just 
>> confused, and don't know what to do to get this to work. i know others are 
>> experiencing the same thing, so i'm hoping someone can find an answer soon.  
>> If anyone has any ideas, let me know what I can do.
>>   Thanks!
>>
>>
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Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

2016-08-04 Thread David via Talk 

Ain't this simply just too funny.

Go pay a thousand dollars for a screen reader, and then you have to use 
a freeware one to get things installed. No, guys, this time I am not 
here to complain, simply just think it to be a smiler.


One thing the makers of the paid-for screen readers now aday may want to 
consider, is if it would not have been an idea to have a somehow light 
version of the screen reader, that would kick in when installing things. 
Let us have all the jingles and bells, when we need it, but let us have 
a screen reader that helps us out when all we need is speech.


To tell the user to go and get another screen reader, so as to have 
their paid-for product up running; well, to a less trained new user, may 
seem not just strange, but directly get them worried.


Just thought to throw the idea on the board, even if we have had it 
there before. But relying on the amount of messages seen on the list the 
last few days, in this regard, tells me something might be wanted to be 
a bit more smooth running in the future. BTW, has NVDA been translated 
into all the languages supported by Jaws and Window-Eyes? Or, would we 
end up with a user in a foreign language, having to pay for his screen 
reader in his language, but use a non-translated version of NVDA for his 
installation tweaking? That at least, from many years of training 
non-English users, I could say would throw a multitude off the wagon.



David

On 8/4/2016 5:59 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:

you need to uninstall window-eyes and jfw and then go to the control
panel in device manager making sure both the freedom scientific display
driver and the window-eyes driver are removed. Using NVDA, you can then
install the update. I tried a lot of contortions before I got it to work.
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Wed, 03 Aug 2016 12:44:19 -0400
Chris Skarstad via Talk  wrote:


Hi folks

I'm still not having any luck installing the Windows 10 anniversary update.   
the win 10 upgrade assistant reports that my display isn't compadible, but i'm 
running Windows 10 already and from what i'm told by sighted folks, it looks 
just exactly as it should.  i even went so far as to check to see if the ati 
display adapter had any updates, which it doesn't.  I'm just confused, and 
don't know what to do to get this to work. i know others are experiencing the 
same thing, so i'm hoping someone can find an answer soon.  If anyone has any 
ideas, let me know what I can do.
  Thanks!



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Re: Google Chrome

2016-08-04 Thread pete gurney via Talk 
hi don,

pressing f6 will step to the address bar, the second press will take you
to your bookmarks and pressing again will bring you back to where you
started.

pete.

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On Wed, 3 Aug 2016 18:49:53 -0500
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> Is there a shortcut in Chrome to bring up your favorites?
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