RE: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Raul any idea if you will do more courses?

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Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:39 AM
To: Shannon; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

Hello Shannon, try going to the following link and they should be there.

http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate/

I hope this helps.

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On 5/30/2017 8:50 PM, Shannon wrote:
> Hello Raul,
> I know for certain that I had missed it, but you have made some tutorials for 
> Window eyes users to transfer to JAWS?
> Could you, would you, re-forward or share the links with me? Thank you 
> very much appreciate it Shannon Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 30, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Raul A. Gallegos via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello Rod, this is normal behavior. One thing which I would suggest is 
> perhaps you copy the Jaws icon so you have your own. Then make the shortcut 
> to that one. This way if it's updated, you will still have your original one 
> with the Windows shortcut hot key. Of course, you could simply go in and 
> define the Windows shortcut once again, but at least there are choices.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
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> “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - 
> David Thornburg
> 
>> On 5/26/2017 6:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up in 
>> the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
>> This happened to mine after the recent update.
>> It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
>> I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.
>> Thanks,
>> Rod
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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hi Vaughn.  Blindness organisations such as CNIB, rnib, etc had Window-Eyes
on their computers but they promoted JAWS above Window-Eyes because JAWS
brought them more profit.
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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:38 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm
UK Time

I do not think Brian would have had anything to do with the demise of
Window-eyes.

There is no single reason for Window-eyes coming out of the active screen
reader market.

Contributing factors were: poor sales; Freedom Scientific market dominance;
growth in demand for NVDA - probably lots of other reasons as well.

I won't be buying Brian's tutorial, but he is very knowledgebable and will
have produced this to broadcast standard.

Vaughan.



On 5/31/2017 2:43 AM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote:
> I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate 
> of Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we 
> don't have any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the 
> demise of Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I 
> have purchased others in the past. I admit, some I have found very 
> helpful and others not so much. While I don't intend to purchase one 
> at this time, I think the tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits.
>
> -Original Message- From: CJ  MAY via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM
> To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The 
> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm 
> Eastern, 7pm UK Time
>
> I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a 
> tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can 
> use, but why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and 
> effort in creating a tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't 
> think twice about purchasing Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money 
> really worth spending.
>
> In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they 
> were always of a high standard.
>
> There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to 
> splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to 
> undertake such a big piece of work and receive no reward.
>
>
>
> Alison
>
>
>
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Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Raul A. Gallegos via Talk]

Hello Shannon, try going to the following link and they should be there.

http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate/

I hope this helps.

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On 5/30/2017 8:50 PM, Shannon wrote:

Hello Raul,
I know for certain that I had missed it, but you have made some tutorials for 
Window eyes users to transfer to JAWS?
Could you, would you, re-forward or share the links with me? Thank you very 
much appreciate it Shannon
Sent from my iPhone

On May 30, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Raul A. Gallegos via Talk 
 wrote:

Hello Rod, this is normal behavior. One thing which I would suggest is perhaps 
you copy the Jaws icon so you have your own. Then make the shortcut to that 
one. This way if it's updated, you will still have your original one with the 
Windows shortcut hot key. Of course, you could simply go in and define the 
Windows shortcut once again, but at least there are choices.

Thanks.


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On 5/26/2017 6:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
Hi,
Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up in 
the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
This happened to mine after the recent update.
It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.
Thanks,
Rod
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Re: Raul, Carol is happily using the Caps-Lock key

[Raul A. Gallegos via Talk]

Hello Brenda. I personally like using the laptop layout because I feel 
like I get the best of both worlds this way. I can still use the 
standard number pad hot keys to drive Jaws while having access to both 
the caps lock key as my Jaws key and a whole set of hot keys which don't 
require me to remove my fingers from the home row if I don't want to. 
For example, while using the laptop layout, I can hold down the caps 
lock key and press U, I, or O for prior, current, and next line, J, K, 
and L for prior, current, and next word. I can do a whole lot more but 
this is just one small example. Even though I use the laptop keyboard 
layout, I still have access to the Insert key from the number pda, I.E. 
the 0 key. I can do all the same functions from there as well. So, yes, 
like I said, best of both worlds.


I hope this helps.

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On 5/25/2017 12:32 PM, Brenda via Talk wrote:
I may have missed the initial message or got confused with the various 
replies.


In order to use caps lock as the Jaws key do you have to turn laptop 
mode on?


Once laptop mode is on, can you still use the insert as the Jaws key and 
the numpad for navigation?


If true, it seems like laptop mode is more versitile than desktop mode.

If not, what do I have to do to have the caps lock and insert key both 
funcgtion as the Jaws key?


Thanks
Brenda

On 5/25/2017 12:56 PM, Raul A. Gallegos via Talk wrote:
Hi, I'm glad you are liking the caps lock usage. To toggle its state, 
all you need to do is press it twice quickly.


I hope that helps.


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On 5/24/2017 2:26 PM, Carol and Roger wrote:

Hi Raul,

I am getting along fairly well with the cap-lock key as my default 
Jaws key now.  I do have one question  Is it possible to turn on 
caps-lock? Before, it always said Caps-Lock on or off.  Now, it says 
nothing when I press it and my letters do not speak with a higher 
pitch.  Fortunately, I don't type a lot that requires all caps, but I 
am not sure why it is no longer working.


This is really strange!  I went out of my email and when I 
alt-tabbed, or at least that was what I meant to do, I hit the 
alt-Caps-Lock combo accidently instead.  Guess what!  Alt-Caps-Lock 
sets and says the state of the Caps-Lock.  Go figure!  So, is it 
supposed to be alt-Caps-Lock, or is it supposed to be the Caps-Lock?  
Pressing the Caps-Lock key now works just like the insert key used 
to.  I believe someone indicated there were times I should press it 
twice, but I don't remember why.  I just hope the setting stays 
whenever it is necessary to restart Jaws, since I don't know how it 
got this way.  I like it like this.


Take care,

Carol




On 5/23/2017 8:53 PM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
Hi, if using the laptop layout, you can activate the Jaws window by 
pressing Control Shift Caps lock J. So, basically, it's the 3 keys 
along the left side of the keyboard with the letter J. It really 
works. Personally I run Jaws in the notification area so it's out of 
the alt-tab order.



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On 5/23/2017 10:26 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
I would like to suggest, based on my own experience, if switching a 
desktop keyboard setting to laptop setting, it might be worthhwhile 
to make sure Jaws is in the alt-tab setting. Trying to use the 
capslock key to get into the Jaws setting was very tempramental for 
me.  It only worked on a very few occasions and I did try many 
times to use it.  I am certain there was some operator error, but 
even I can't have messed up that badly, LOL!


Carol, happily using my insert key!


On 5/23/2017 10:39 AM, Ed Culpepper via Talk wrote:
I have not tried the laptop layout. I will check out that 
possibility. I have not loaded Jaws on my laptop yet, but I 
certainly will be doing so. I can anticipate that using the same 
keyboard layout on both my desktop and laptop could be 
advantageous. Using the same keystrokes regardless of which 
computer I am using seems more simple and efficient.

Thanks for the suggestion and link.
Ed Culpepper
J. Edward Culpepper
Huntsville, Alabama, USA
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RE: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

Here’s the page where the tutorials can be found:

http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate

Just hit H till you get to “Tutorials/Podcast”.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Shannon via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:00 PM
To: Raul A. Gallegos; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

Hello Raul,
I know for certain that I had missed it, but you have made some tutorials for 
Window eyes users to transfer to JAWS?
Could you, would you, re-forward or share the links with me? Thank you very 
much appreciate it Shannon
Sent from my iPhone

On May 30, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Raul A. Gallegos via Talk 
 wrote:

Hello Rod, this is normal behavior. One thing which I would suggest is perhaps 
you copy the Jaws icon so you have your own. Then make the shortcut to that 
one. This way if it's updated, you will still have your original one with the 
Windows shortcut hot key. Of course, you could simply go in and define the 
Windows shortcut once again, but at least there are choices.

Thanks.


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> On 5/26/2017 6:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi,
> Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up in 
> the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
> This happened to mine after the recent update.
> It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
> I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.
> Thanks,
> Rod
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Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Shannon via Talk]

Hello Raul,
I know for certain that I had missed it, but you have made some tutorials for 
Window eyes users to transfer to JAWS?
Could you, would you, re-forward or share the links with me? Thank you very 
much appreciate it Shannon
Sent from my iPhone

On May 30, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Raul A. Gallegos via Talk 
 wrote:

Hello Rod, this is normal behavior. One thing which I would suggest is perhaps 
you copy the Jaws icon so you have your own. Then make the shortcut to that 
one. This way if it's updated, you will still have your original one with the 
Windows shortcut hot key. Of course, you could simply go in and define the 
Windows shortcut once again, but at least there are choices.

Thanks.


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Thornburg

> On 5/26/2017 6:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi,
> Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up in 
> the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
> This happened to mine after the recent update.
> It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
> I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.
> Thanks,
> Rod
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Re: How to learn to use n v d a

[Dave via Talk]

You say that many work places will not trust NVDA.  I actually have notfound
all that many who are willing to even Hire someone blind, and even fewer
who know what a Screen Reader is used for, let alone actually know there
are several companies that make a Screen Reader, one of them being NVDA.

Some know of Jaws, but not much more than the name Jaws.  

Interesting,

Grumpy Dave


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RE: what is fs reader

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

The main thing you can do at first with FS Reader is to listen to the training 
materials.  You can do this in 2 ways.

>From the JAWS help menu, select Training and FS reader will open to the JAWS 
>Basic Training table of contents.

You can also just open FS Reader and press CTRL+J to open the table of contents.
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RE: what is fs reader

[Dave Basden via Talk]

The logged contacts are shown at the top of the screen above theform 
for logging new contacts.  Move to the top ofthe screen and move the 
mouse cursor down till you hear the recent contacts with  either last 
50 or all.  Continue moving the mouse pointer down till you hear the 
last contact you made.  The list begins there.


73,

Dave, W7OQ

At 02:41 PM 5/30/2017, you wrote:
It is a daisy reader. It can read books from learning ally, and can 
also  read the training materials from freedom scientific.

It can read other daisy content as well.


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[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of mcleod stinnett via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:36 PM
To: talk 
Subject: what is fs reader

my new computer came with jaws 15 demo. one of the included entries 
was f s reader. what does it do, is it like adobe. I open it on the 
desktop and can't find anything to click on, thanks.

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Re: To fellow BECKY! users

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there Don!

Was wondering if you might be able to provide me with step by step 
instructions on how to set up filters using Thunderbird? I have tried 
several times just to wind up with my messages in both the folders I set 
up as well as in several other folders.  I guess I am asking is it 
possible to filter my messages into just a single mailbox?  You can 
respond to me privately if you wish  at wohlg...@gmail.com.  Thanks Much! de


.


On 30-May-17 15:40, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
Although I really like the Becky email program, I continue to use 
Thunderbird as my email client of choice for one primary reason.  I 
receive email from a number of high traffic list and also some low 
traffic lists as well. I have set up folders for each high traffic 
list and another folder for the low traffic lists.  I have thus far 
not figured out how to filter these messages into the appropriate 
folder with Becky whereas doing so with Thunderbird works great.  If 
you Mike or anyone else could provide a step by step example of how to 
do this, I would probably use Becky as the email client of choice.



Don Roberts



On 5/30/2017 9:18 AM, Mike Rogers via Talk wrote:

Hi.
I use Becky with Jaws and it works fine.  Here's some info I have on 
CC and BCC.


CC and BCCC

Bring up new message.
Select name.
tab to CC or BCCC
Hit alt-C or alt-B.

select name and hit enter.

To  bring up these to make visible  bring up new message and hit 
control - down arrow twice


Open the new message and hit control-down arrow twice.





www.harmonicaworkshops.com



On Tue, 30 May 2017 08:52:17 -0500
Martha via Talk  wrote:


Hi.

1. Has anyone tried using BECKY! with JFW yet?  If so, how did it go?

2. Besides using nicknames in BECKY!, what are the steps and keystrokes
to select multiple recipients of a new composed message?  I'm used to
Outlook Express where I could be in the address book, arrow to a name
and press alt and "the letter t" to add a name to the "To" line, alt 
and

"the letter c" to
add the selected name to the "CC:" line, or alt and  the letter "b" to
add the selected name to the "BCC" line.  Is there a BECKY! way to do
this?

Since this is not specific to Window-Eyes, please respond to me 
off-list

at
mrea...@comcast.net

Thanks.

Martha


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Re: To fellow BECKY! users

[Chris G via Talk]

If you are using imap you'll need to create the filters on the server 
and not in Becky.
Becky doesn't run filters automatically on  new imap messages, only pop. 
 You would need to run the filters manually.
The advantages of having the filters on the server is you create them 
once and they work for every computer/phone/tablet you configure.

Chris




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 Original Message 
From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 PM EST
To: Mike Rogers; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: To fellow BECKY! users

Although I really like the Becky email program, I continue to use
Thunderbird as my email client of choice for one primary reason.  I
receive email from a number of high traffic list and also some low
traffic lists as well. I have set up folders for each high traffic list
and another folder for the low traffic lists.  I have thus far not
figured out how to filter these messages into the appropriate folder
with Becky whereas doing so with Thunderbird works great.  If you Mike
or anyone else could provide a step by step example of how to do this, I
would probably use Becky as the email client of choice.


Don Roberts



On 5/30/2017 9:18 AM, Mike Rogers via Talk wrote:
Hi.
I use Becky with Jaws and it works fine.  Here's some info I have on
CC and BCC.

CC and BCCC

Bring up new message.
Select name.
tab to CC or BCCC
Hit alt-C or alt-B.

select name and hit enter.

To  bring up these to make visible  bring up new message and hit
control - down arrow twice

Open the new message and hit control-down arrow twice.





www.harmonicaworkshops.com



On Tue, 30 May 2017 08:52:17 -0500
Martha via Talk  wrote:

Hi.

1. Has anyone tried using BECKY! with JFW yet?  If so, how did it go?

2. Besides using nicknames in BECKY!, what are the steps and keystrokes
to select multiple recipients of a new composed message?  I'm used to
Outlook Express where I could be in the address book, arrow to a name
and press alt and "the letter t" to add a name to the "To" line, alt and
"the letter c" to
add the selected name to the "CC:" line, or alt and  the letter "b" to
add the selected name to the "BCC" line.  Is there a BECKY! way to do
this?

Since this is not specific to Window-Eyes, please respond to me off-list
at
mrea...@comcast.net

Thanks.

Martha


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Re: is it possible?

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

The main thing here is to make sure that both screen readers are not 
opened at the same time, or at least, not while running on Win7.  Every 
time I started my PC with both programs installed to run from the 
beginning, (not by personal default,) my ystem received a blue scree 
failure.  For me, the trick was to find out which one I could close 
before the other started talking.  Once I made the startup change, all 
has been fine.


Yes, they both have their own peculiarities, so it becomes necessary for 
me to close one and open the other for a specific task, so I am glad 
they can both be on the system.


Carol


On 5/30/2017 11:58 AM, Steve Nutt via Talk wrote:

Hi,

JAWS won't install over any copy of Window-Eyes, you can have them both
installed quite happily.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Richard Jarvis via Talk
Sent: 28 May 2017 18:45
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: is it possible?

Hello group, I just got the message about win eyes being discontinued and
that I can itagrate to jaws.  My question is will I be able to keep my
current copy of window eyes and use it if I want too?  I have the latest
version o.5.0. or will jaws install over this copy?  If so can I still get a
cd of window eyes 9.5.0?  Thanks for all the help.  Rick
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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I agree.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:43 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm
UK Time

Brian Hartgen had absolutely nothing to do with the fate of Window-Eyes. 
And his creating tutorials is the business he's been in for years.
Regards,
Tom


On 5/30/2017 10:43 AM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote:
> I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate 
> of Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we 
> don't have any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the 
> demise of Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I 
> have purchased others in the past. I admit, some I have found very 
> helpful and others not so much. While I don't intend to purchase one 
> at this time, I think the tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits.
>
> -Original Message- From: CJ  MAY via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM
> To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The 
> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm 
> Eastern, 7pm UK Time
>
> I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a 
> tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can 
> use, but why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and 
> effort in creating a tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't 
> think twice about purchasing Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money 
> really worth spending.
>
> In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they 
> were always of a high standard.
>
> There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to 
> splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to 
> undertake such a big piece of work and receive no reward.
>
>
>
> Alison
>
>
>
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RE: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Thanks, Raul; that is a good suggestion.

All the best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
Sent: May 30, 2017 1:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

Hello Rod, this is normal behavior. One thing which I would suggest is 
perhaps you copy the Jaws icon so you have your own. Then make the 
shortcut to that one. This way if it's updated, you will still have your 
original one with the Windows shortcut hot key. Of course, you could 
simply go in and define the Windows shortcut once again, but at least 
there are choices.

Thanks.


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On 5/26/2017 6:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up in 
> the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
> This happened to mine after the recent update.
> It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
> I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rod
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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Brian Hartgen had absolutely nothing to do with the fate of Window-Eyes. 
And his creating tutorials is the business he's been in for years.

Regards,
Tom


On 5/30/2017 10:43 AM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote:

I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate of
Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we don't
have any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the demise of
Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I have
purchased others in the past. I admit, some I have found very helpful
and others not so much. While I don't intend to purchase one at this
time, I think the tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits.

-Original Message- From: CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM
To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a
tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use, but
why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in
creating a
tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about purchasing
Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending.

In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were
always of a high standard.

There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to
splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to undertake
such
a big piece of work and receive no reward.



Alison



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Re: To fellow BECKY! users

[Donald L. Roberts via Talk]

Although I really like the Becky email program, I continue to use 
Thunderbird as my email client of choice for one primary reason.  I 
receive email from a number of high traffic list and also some low 
traffic lists as well. I have set up folders for each high traffic list 
and another folder for the low traffic lists.  I have thus far not 
figured out how to filter these messages into the appropriate folder 
with Becky whereas doing so with Thunderbird works great.  If you Mike 
or anyone else could provide a step by step example of how to do this, I 
would probably use Becky as the email client of choice.



Don Roberts



On 5/30/2017 9:18 AM, Mike Rogers via Talk wrote:

Hi.
I use Becky with Jaws and it works fine.  Here's some info I have on CC and BCC.

CC and BCCC

Bring up new message.
Select name.
tab to CC or BCCC
Hit alt-C or alt-B.

select name and hit enter.

To  bring up these to make visible  bring up new message and hit control - down 
arrow twice

Open the new message and hit control-down arrow twice.





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On Tue, 30 May 2017 08:52:17 -0500
Martha via Talk  wrote:


Hi.

1. Has anyone tried using BECKY! with JFW yet?  If so, how did it go?

2. Besides using nicknames in BECKY!, what are the steps and keystrokes
to select multiple recipients of a new composed message?  I'm used to
Outlook Express where I could be in the address book, arrow to a name
and press alt and "the letter t" to add a name to the "To" line, alt and
"the letter c" to
add the selected name to the "CC:" line, or alt and  the letter "b" to
add the selected name to the "BCC" line.  Is there a BECKY! way to do
this?

Since this is not specific to Window-Eyes, please respond to me off-list
at
mrea...@comcast.net

Thanks.

Martha


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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

I do not think Brian would have had anything to do with the demise of 
Window-eyes.


There is no single reason for Window-eyes coming out of the active 
screen reader market.


Contributing factors were: poor sales; Freedom Scientific market 
dominance; growth in demand for NVDA - probably lots of other reasons as 
well.


I won't be buying Brian's tutorial, but he is very knowledgebable and 
will have produced this to broadcast standard.


Vaughan.



On 5/31/2017 2:43 AM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote:
I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate 
of Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we 
don't have any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the 
demise of Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I 
have purchased others in the past. I admit, some I have found very 
helpful and others not so much. While I don't intend to purchase one 
at this time, I think the tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits.


-Original Message- From: CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM
To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The 
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm 
Eastern, 7pm UK Time


I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a
tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can 
use, but
why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in 
creating a
tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about 
purchasing

Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending.

In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were
always of a high standard.

There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to
splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to 
undertake such

a big piece of work and receive no reward.



Alison



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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Jim:

That makes a lot of sense, but since not everything is contained in
one menu system like Window-eyes, one has to know which menu to find
things like changing whether you want the name of a key that you do
not want spoken, or controling the speed or volume of your
synthesizer.  Of course, that wouldn't be too hard to learn.   Having
said that, although am a window-eyes user, I still am quite familiar
with JAWS.  I have to be, for my job as a trainer.

Kevin Huber

Kevin Huber


On 5/30/17, Jim via Talk  wrote:
> Hi there!
>
> I made the switch from W.E. to jaws about a week or so ago, and for the
> most part have had little or no issues at all with the switch over.
> Yes, I did have to learn and memorize a few new key combinations, but
> memorizing is extremely easy for me.  Not certain of exactly
> what it is that folks have to learn that is more than memorizing some
> new keystrokes..?  Good Luck & Have A Good 1! de .
>
>
>
> On 30-May-17 13:19, Amanda Lee via Talk wrote:
>> Agreed with the exception that both don't always interpret the unique
>> issues
>> of controls and content  of applications beyond Microsoft and known
>> applications.  This doesn't really affect the typical user though so
>> there
>> is no reason why anyone should be afraid of the learning curve.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:52 PM
>> To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
>> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
>> 7pm
>> UK Time
>>
>>  Hi, Then thing I see is that while there are some differences in WE
>> and
>> Jaws, the windows stuff is the same. There are some different keystrokes
>> for
>>
>> some things, but quite a few are the same. There's really not too much to
>> learn other than just remembering some new key combinations. Some of you
>> are
>>
>> acting like your having to learn some completely new out of this world
>> program. If some of you spent as much time learning the new key strokes
>> as
>> you do complaining about people selling their help products, you would
>> already be and expert. Could we please quit cluttering up the list just
>> to
>> bitch about stuff? I'm sure you can find list out there that are devoted
>> to
>> whinners.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:43 AM
>> To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The
>> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
>> 7pm
>> UK Time
>>
>> I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate of
>> Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we don't
>> have
>> any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the demise of
>> Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I have purchased
>> others in the past. I admit, some I have found very helpful and others
>> not
>> so much. While I don't intend to purchase one at this time, I think the
>> tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: CJ  MAY via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM
>> To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The
>> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
>> 7pm
>> UK Time
>>
>> I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a
>> tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use,
>> but
>> why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in creating
>> a
>> tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about
>> purchasing
>> Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending.
>>
>> In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were
>> always of a high standard.
>>
>> There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to
>> splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to undertake
>> such
>> a big piece of work and receive no reward.
>>
>>
>>
>> Alison
>>
>>
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Re: Message numbers in particular mailboxes?

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Jim:

You may have to exit from the email client and open it again.

Kevin Huber

On 5/26/17, Jim via Talk  wrote:
> Hi there Folks!
>
> It seem as though after deleting messages from particular boxes, the
> message number doesn't seem to change. For example, I have a box called
> important.  Let say there is 100 messages in this box and I decide to
> delete 20 of them. When I shift tab back to the important box Jaws
> still reports there are 100 messages in this box.  I frequently empty
> and compress the trash boxes so I don't believe this is an actual
> issue.  Does anyone know what I might try to get the correct number of
> messages in each of my boxes?  Thanks much! de
>
> .
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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

I made the switch from W.E. to jaws about a week or so ago, and for the 
most part have had little or no issues at all with the switch over.  
Yes, I did have to learn and memorize a few new key combinations, but 
memorizing is extremely easy for me.  Not certain of exactly 
what it is that folks have to learn that is more than memorizing some 
new keystrokes..?  Good Luck & Have A Good 1! de .




On 30-May-17 13:19, Amanda Lee via Talk wrote:

Agreed with the exception that both don't always interpret the unique issues
of controls and content  of applications beyond Microsoft and known
applications.  This doesn't really affect the typical user though so there
is no reason why anyone should be afraid of the learning curve.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:52 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm
UK Time

 Hi, Then thing I see is that while there are some differences in WE and
Jaws, the windows stuff is the same. There are some different keystrokes for

some things, but quite a few are the same. There's really not too much to
learn other than just remembering some new key combinations. Some of you are

acting like your having to learn some completely new out of this world
program. If some of you spent as much time learning the new key strokes as
you do complaining about people selling their help products, you would
already be and expert. Could we please quit cluttering up the list just to
bitch about stuff? I'm sure you can find list out there that are devoted to
whinners.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:43 AM
To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm
UK Time

I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate of
Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we don't have
any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the demise of
Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I have purchased
others in the past. I admit, some I have found very helpful and others not
so much. While I don't intend to purchase one at this time, I think the
tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits.

-Original Message-
From: CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM
To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm
UK Time

I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a
tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use, but
why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in creating a
tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about purchasing
Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending.

In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were
always of a high standard.

There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to
splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to undertake such
a big piece of work and receive no reward.



Alison



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Re: Which app is active

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Donald:

Go to the Window-eyes control panel, then press alt-a to go to the
apps pulldown menu and arrow down to app manager and press the Enter
key.  You will find a list of apps and there status.

Kevin Huber

On 5/30/17, Donald L. Roberts via Talk  wrote:
> Please refresh my rapidly failing memory.  In Window-eyes 9.5.4, what is
> the procedure to determine whether a particular script is running?
>
>
> I ask because I have the app for Ed sharp, but I need to verify that the
> script is actually running when Ed sharp is active.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Don Roberts
>
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Which app is active

[Donald L. Roberts via Talk]

Please refresh my rapidly failing memory.  In Window-eyes 9.5.4, what is 
the procedure to determine whether a particular script is running?



I ask because I have the app for Ed sharp, but I need to verify that the 
script is actually running when Ed sharp is active.



Thanks.


Don Roberts


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Re: Getting to the meat and potatoes of jaws website

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Paulette:
If you download the JAWS Demo, the manual, is under Help in the JAWS
control pannel.
Kevin Huber

On 5/27/17, Paulette Vickery via Talk  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Could someone please post the way to get to the area of the Jaws website
> where it talks about how to use the software, not just the hype? Also,
> please repost the way to get on the jaws email list. Thanks so much for
> your
> help in advance.
>
>
>
> Paulette
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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:

That is true for some of us.  I migrated from JAWS to Window-eyes in
the 1990s and it wasn't so dificult for me, but some people on the
list do need some assistance and there are choices for that.
I wonder if anyone has actually compared Brian's tutorial with Rau's
tutorials and if so, could someone give the list a report on their
findings.
Kevin Huber



On 5/30/17, Dennis Long via Talk  wrote:
> I agree.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:52 PM
> To: Tom Fairhurst; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm
> UK Time
>
> Hi, Then thing I see is that while there are some differences in WE and
> Jaws, the windows stuff is the same. There are some different keystrokes
> for
> some things, but quite a few are the same. There's really not too much to
> learn other than just remembering some new key combinations. Some of you
> are
> acting like your having to learn some completely new out of this world
> program. If some of you spent as much time learning the new key strokes as
> you do complaining about people selling their help products, you would
> already be and expert. Could we please quit cluttering up the list just to
> bitch about stuff? I'm sure you can find list out there that are devoted to
> whinners.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:43 AM
> To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The
> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm
> UK Time
>
> I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate of
> Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we don't have
> any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the demise of
> Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I have purchased
> others in the past. I admit, some I have found very helpful and others not
> so much. While I don't intend to purchase one at this time, I think the
> tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CJ  MAY via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM
> To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The
> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
> 7pm
> UK Time
>
> I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a
> tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use, but
> why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in creating
> a
> tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about purchasing
> Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending.
>
> In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were
> always of a high standard.
>
> There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to
> splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to undertake
> such
> a big piece of work and receive no reward.
>
>
>
> Alison
>
>
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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I agree.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:52 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm
UK Time

Hi, Then thing I see is that while there are some differences in WE and
Jaws, the windows stuff is the same. There are some different keystrokes for
some things, but quite a few are the same. There's really not too much to
learn other than just remembering some new key combinations. Some of you are
acting like your having to learn some completely new out of this world
program. If some of you spent as much time learning the new key strokes as
you do complaining about people selling their help products, you would
already be and expert. Could we please quit cluttering up the list just to
bitch about stuff? I'm sure you can find list out there that are devoted to
whinners.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:43 AM
To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm
UK Time

I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate of
Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we don't have
any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the demise of
Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I have purchased
others in the past. I admit, some I have found very helpful and others not
so much. While I don't intend to purchase one at this time, I think the
tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits.

-Original Message-
From: CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM
To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm
UK Time

I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a
tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use, but
why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in creating a
tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about purchasing
Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending.

In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were
always of a high standard.

There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to
splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to undertake such
a big piece of work and receive no reward.



Alison



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Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Raul A. Gallegos via Talk]

Hello Rod, this is normal behavior. One thing which I would suggest is 
perhaps you copy the Jaws icon so you have your own. Then make the 
shortcut to that one. This way if it's updated, you will still have your 
original one with the Windows shortcut hot key. Of course, you could 
simply go in and define the Windows shortcut once again, but at least 
there are choices.


Thanks.


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On 5/26/2017 6:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up in 
the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
This happened to mine after the recent update.
It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.

Thanks,

Rod
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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[net bat via Talk]

other then there are over 1200 hot keys you will never learn. grin.

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:52 AM
To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The Switch 
from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time


   Hi, Then thing I see is that while there are some differences in WE and
Jaws, the windows stuff is the same. There are some different keystrokes for
some things, but quite a few are the same. There's really not too much to
learn other than just remembering some new key combinations. Some of you are
acting like your having to learn some completely new out of this world
program. If some of you spent as much time learning the new key strokes as
you do complaining about people selling their help products, you would
already be and expert. Could we please quit cluttering up the list just to
bitch about stuff? I'm sure you can find list out there that are devoted to
whinners.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:43 AM
To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm
UK Time

I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate of
Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we don't have
any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the demise of
Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I have purchased
others in the past. I admit, some I have found very helpful and others not
so much. While I don't intend to purchase one at this time, I think the
tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits.

-Original Message- 
From: CJ  MAY via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM
To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm
UK Time

I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a
tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use, but
why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in creating a
tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about purchasing
Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending.

In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were
always of a high standard.

There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to
splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to undertake such
a big piece of work and receive no reward.



Alison



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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Amanda Lee via Talk]

Agreed with the exception that both don't always interpret the unique issues
of controls and content  of applications beyond Microsoft and known
applications.  This doesn't really affect the typical user though so there
is no reason why anyone should be afraid of the learning curve.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:52 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm
UK Time

Hi, Then thing I see is that while there are some differences in WE and 
Jaws, the windows stuff is the same. There are some different keystrokes for

some things, but quite a few are the same. There's really not too much to 
learn other than just remembering some new key combinations. Some of you are

acting like your having to learn some completely new out of this world 
program. If some of you spent as much time learning the new key strokes as 
you do complaining about people selling their help products, you would 
already be and expert. Could we please quit cluttering up the list just to 
bitch about stuff? I'm sure you can find list out there that are devoted to 
whinners.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:43 AM
To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The 
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm 
UK Time

I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate of
Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we don't have
any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the demise of
Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I have purchased
others in the past. I admit, some I have found very helpful and others not
so much. While I don't intend to purchase one at this time, I think the
tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits.

-Original Message- 
From: CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM
To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm
UK Time

I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a
tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use, but
why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in creating a
tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about purchasing
Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending.

In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were
always of a high standard.

There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to
splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to undertake such
a big piece of work and receive no reward.



Alison



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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Steve:

I quite agree.  Brian does quite a few of these types of tutorials I
think and there is probably a cost associated with it so he has to
recover that cost somehow.
Yes, I know that  Raol has done some moduals, and they are verry good,
but maybe some people would rather hear it from Steve.

Kevin Huber
On 5/30/17, Steve Nutt via Talk  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> So what is wrong with capitalism then?  What is wrong with people making
> money if they want to?
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
> Sent: 29 May 2017 16:35
> To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> 
> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
> 7pm UK Time
>
> I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I
> will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the
> United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!
>
> For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some
> Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for
> it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists
> frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at
> just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand
> with
> smiles.
>
> Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand
> paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a
> download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it
> till I have learned enough to get stuff done.
>
> No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning to
> Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is
> possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have
> answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with
> workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely
> to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help
> with
> Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for
> transitioning!
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
>
>
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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[John Farley via Talk]

Steve,

You are a business man running a company which happens to handle products
associated with blind access technology. That is how you make your living.  

If a person wishes to make use of your services then it is incumbent on them
to pay whatever level of fee you and they agree is appropriate for that
service. 

All other services are paid for, why not this one.
I always expected to get paid when I was working in IT, why shouldn't I.

What is special about it being a service for blind people; we are not that
different to the rest of the world, we just have less ability to see than
others.
Let a sighted person get driving lessons from a professional and see if they
can get that for nothing.

For both kinds of things you can also get a well-meaning friend to help you
out but that will not always be of the same level of competence.

Best of luck Steve.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:33 PM
To: 'Tom Kingston'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

Hi Tom,

Seems we're not allowed to make money.  I offer the service for people who
want to get up and running quickly with their screen reader, without asking
endless questions.

Yes, of course it's all out there for free, but why not even unsubscribe
from this list and just use the inbuilt JAWS help?  I think the more
services there are, the better, whether free or not.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: 30 May 2017 02:40
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

According to this mentality there shouldn't be a charge for anything. 
How many things in your life don't help you out in one way or another?

On 5/29/2017 11:38 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> There shouldn't be a charge for helping someone out.  It's disgraceful.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:37 AM
> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time
>
> Why not it was a business decision to discontinue WE.  $38 is versonable.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:35 AM
> To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time
>
> I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I
will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the
United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!
>
> For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for
it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists
frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at
just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with
smiles.
>
> Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a
download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it
till I have learned enough to get stuff done.
>
> No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning
to Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely
to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with
Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for
transitioning!
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
>
>
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Re: how do you move a file with w/e

[Tony C via Talk]

Yes, ctrl, C will just copy, ctrl X will copy to clipboard and delete the 
content from it's orginal location, then you can past with ctrl V as usual.


-Original Message- 
From: Amanda Lee via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:10 AM
To: 'Russ Kiehne' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: how do you move a file with w/e

CTRL-X will delete that content.  If you want to 'COPY' it without deleting
it, you should highlight it and then use CTRL-C for 'COPY' and then CTRL-V
to copy/paste the content, file, etc.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:29 AM
To: Tom Fairhurst ; mcleod stinnett
; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: how do you move a file with w/e

I use control+x to cut the material to the clipboard. I then move to the
folder in which I wish to place the file or files. I then paste them
with control+V.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:44 AM
To: mcleod stinnett ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: how do you move a file with w/e

I have never actualy tried to move a file. What I do is this. I highlight
the file or files I want to move using the cursor keys. I then press
CONTROL+C to copy the material to the clipboard. I then move to the
directory in which I wish to place the file or files. I then paste them
there with CONTROL+V. Next, I go back to the directory where the original
file is and delete it. This puts the file in the Recycle Bin. I know there
is a way to actually move a file, but at least this way, I am assured that
my file is not lost or destroyed somewhere in the process. If worse comes to
worse, I can restore the file from the recycle bin. Of course, when I am
totally satisfied, I empty the Recycle Bin. Note that these are all Windows
keystroke that should work with any screen reader.

-Original Message- 
From: mcleod stinnett via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 6:25 AM
To: talk
Subject: how do you move a file with w/e

I haven't moved a file since I used outspoken screen reader. I want to
move a file from one directory to another and I need to know how to do
that with latest w/e, thanks
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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Tony C via Talk]

   Hi, Then thing I see is that while there are some differences in WE and 
Jaws, the windows stuff is the same. There are some different keystrokes for 
some things, but quite a few are the same. There's really not too much to 
learn other than just remembering some new key combinations. Some of you are 
acting like your having to learn some completely new out of this world 
program. If some of you spent as much time learning the new key strokes as 
you do complaining about people selling their help products, you would 
already be and expert. Could we please quit cluttering up the list just to 
bitch about stuff? I'm sure you can find list out there that are devoted to 
whinners.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:43 AM
To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The 
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm 
UK Time


I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate of
Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we don't have
any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the demise of
Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I have purchased
others in the past. I admit, some I have found very helpful and others not
so much. While I don't intend to purchase one at this time, I think the
tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits.

-Original Message- 
From: CJ  MAY via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM
To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm
UK Time

I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a
tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use, but
why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in creating a
tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about purchasing
Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending.

In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were
always of a high standard.

There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to
splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to undertake such
a big piece of work and receive no reward.



Alison



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Re: Jaws and copy text question

[net bat via Talk]

with acrabat you can use the normal windows copy and paste commands.

-Original Message- 
From: Steve Nutt via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:56 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Jaws and copy text question

Hi,

I'm confused by this message.  You can use the shifted arrows for selection
in JAWS, but not Window-Eyes.  I don't like the Window-Eyes F8 method
personally.  Not only that the Window-Eyes F8 method is inconsistent.  It
works in IE, but not in Acrobat for example.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: 25 May 2017 22:12
To: 'David Moore' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Jaws and copy text question

I tell you, the Window-Eyes method for copying text is less cumbersome.
Only three keystrokes to worry about:  F8 to start, F8 to end, Alt-C to copy
to Clipboard.

For Jaws, Ctrl-Windows-K, then Insert-Space, then M, last, Ctrl-C to finally
copy to clipboard.  I wonder why Jaws can't keep almost anything simple?

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I agree.  If you charge only $38 your very reasonable.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:33 PM
To: 'Tom Kingston'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

Hi Tom,

Seems we're not allowed to make money.  I offer the service for people who
want to get up and running quickly with their screen reader, without asking
endless questions.

Yes, of course it's all out there for free, but why not even unsubscribe
from this list and just use the inbuilt JAWS help?  I think the more
services there are, the better, whether free or not.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: 30 May 2017 02:40
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

According to this mentality there shouldn't be a charge for anything. 
How many things in your life don't help you out in one way or another?

On 5/29/2017 11:38 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> There shouldn't be a charge for helping someone out.  It's disgraceful.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:37 AM
> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over 
> Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time
>
> Why not it was a business decision to discontinue WE.  $38 is versonable.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:35 AM
> To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over 
> Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time
>
> I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; 
> however, I
will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the
United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!
>
> For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for
it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists
frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at
just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with
smiles.
>
> Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can 
> understand
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a
download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it
till I have learned enough to get stuff done.
>
> No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for 
> transitioning
to Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely
to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with
Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for
transitioning!
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
>
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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Tom,

Seems we're not allowed to make money.  I offer the service for people who
want to get up and running quickly with their screen reader, without asking
endless questions.

Yes, of course it's all out there for free, but why not even unsubscribe
from this list and just use the inbuilt JAWS help?  I think the more
services there are, the better, whether free or not.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: 30 May 2017 02:40
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

According to this mentality there shouldn't be a charge for anything. 
How many things in your life don't help you out in one way or another?

On 5/29/2017 11:38 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> There shouldn't be a charge for helping someone out.  It's disgraceful.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:37 AM
> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time
>
> Why not it was a business decision to discontinue WE.  $38 is versonable.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:35 AM
> To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time
>
> I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I
will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the
United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!
>
> For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for
it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists
frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at
just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with
smiles.
>
> Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a
download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it
till I have learned enough to get stuff done.
>
> No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning
to Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely
to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with
Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for
transitioning!
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
>
>
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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Sorry, I disagree.  Probably hours went into making sure it works as a
Window-Eyes user would want it to.  Constructing the course, etc.

I don't see why people are not allowed to make a living.

I offer a similar service, but on a one to one basis, so if anyone is
interested, please contact me.  Same price.

I do it differently though, I log into their computer, and take them round
the configuration and teach them how to change settings.  With their
permission of course.  But the freebie hunters won't be interested of
course.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: 29 May 2017 16:38
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

There shouldn't be a charge for helping someone out.  It's disgraceful. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:37 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

Why not it was a business decision to discontinue WE.  $38 is versonable.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:35 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I
will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the
United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!  

For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for
it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists
frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at
just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with
smiles.  

Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a
download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it
till I have learned enough to get stuff done.  

No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning to
Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely
to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with
Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for
transitioning!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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RE: How to learn to use n v d a

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hi Dennis.  I am using NVDA now and it is just as good as JAWS if not
better, in my opinion.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:18 AM
To: 'Steve Nutt'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: How to learn to use n v d a

NVDA is not as good as Jaws as Steve said it is not as powerful ant that is
very true.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:10 PM
To: 'David Moore'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: How to learn to use n v d a

Hi,

By the same token, because it is open source, it is the least secure in the
workplace.  You will find many enterprises that won't trust NVDA
unfortunately.

It is a good screen reader though, not as configurable as JAWS, but not bad
at all.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of David Moore via Talk
Sent: 29 May 2017 06:37
To: Ivan Cribb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: How to learn to use n v d a

Hi Ivan,
NVDA is the screen reader of the future, because everyone has access to its
code. It is called open source, because everyone can contribute to its code.
NVDA will not be bought, because we, the community own it LOL!.
To subscribe to the NVDA list, many experts on there:
nvda+subscr...@nvda.groups.io
You can download NVDA 2017.1, the latest version for free at:
www.nvaccess.org
You can also get tutorials off of there, and find out about many other
sources of tutorials that many people have done on using NVDA.
You would find that it is more like Window Eyes than JAWS is, and there are
a lot of great young users contributing to its code all of the time. It is
not owned by any company. NVAccess imploys just four people, and they are
just the cherity organization that keeps it altogether. Most of what happens
with NVDA is done by the blind all over the world.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ivan Cribb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 1:24 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: a...@damorris.com
Subject: How to learn to use n v d a

I intend to use Window-Eyes as long as possible but if I have to resort to
another screen reader I want one that does not belong to VFO. NVDA seems the
obvious alternative. Where can I go to learn how to use it..

Thanks for any help.

Ivan Cribbb 

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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

So what is wrong with capitalism then?  What is wrong with people making
money if they want to?

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: 29 May 2017 16:35
To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I
will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the
United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!  

For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for
it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists
frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at
just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with
smiles.  

Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a
download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it
till I have learned enough to get stuff done.  

No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning to
Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely
to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with
Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for
transitioning!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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RE: Might be useful for new JAWS users

[Dennis Long via Talk]

They are called fs casts.  
www.freedomscientific.com

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:05 PM
To: Kevin Huber; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Steve Nutt
Subject: Re: Might be useful for new JAWS users

Where do you go to find these podcast by Jonathan Mozen? Thanks.

On 5/30/2017 8:23 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote:
> Hi Steve:
> 
> I didn't know about the touch cursor until a few days ago when I 
> listened to Jonathan Mozen's podcast where somebody described it.  Up 
> until then, I would have avoided it, since I had assumed that it was 
> only for computers with touch screens.
> I think that that might have been what they intended it to be in the 
> beginning, but it morphed into something more useful for all JAWS 
> users
> 
> Kevin Huber.
> 
> On 5/30/17, Steve Nutt via Talk  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Actually the touch cursor is a bit misnamed, because you can use it 
>> with the keyboard.  But yes, it is great.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Steve
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Martin Brown via Talk
>> Sent: 24 May 2017 09:42
>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Subject: Might be useful for new JAWS users
>>
>> I am a long time user of JAWS. A lot could be done to improve its 
>> usability.
>> Sadly, in recent times, the opposite is true. In many instances I 
>> find the JAWS curser as a means of reading a screen just about 
>> useless. Instead, I now invoke the touch curser which I find will get 
>> me to information not available to either the PC curser or the JAWS  
>> curser. To enable the touch curser, hold down the shift key and press 
>> the numpad plus key. You can then move up and down through the 
>> information using the left and right arrow keys, or if you prefer, by 
>> using the numpad keys four and six. To leave the touch curser mode,
simply press the numpad plus key twice quickly.
>> Hope this helps all you  new JAWS users.
>> Martin
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RE: How to learn to use n v d a

[Dennis Long via Talk]

NVDA is not as good as Jaws as Steve said it is not as powerful ant that is
very true.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:10 PM
To: 'David Moore'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: How to learn to use n v d a

Hi,

By the same token, because it is open source, it is the least secure in the
workplace.  You will find many enterprises that won't trust NVDA
unfortunately.

It is a good screen reader though, not as configurable as JAWS, but not bad
at all.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of David Moore via Talk
Sent: 29 May 2017 06:37
To: Ivan Cribb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: How to learn to use n v d a

Hi Ivan,
NVDA is the screen reader of the future, because everyone has access to its
code. It is called open source, because everyone can contribute to its code.
NVDA will not be bought, because we, the community own it LOL!.
To subscribe to the NVDA list, many experts on there:
nvda+subscr...@nvda.groups.io
You can download NVDA 2017.1, the latest version for free at:
www.nvaccess.org
You can also get tutorials off of there, and find out about many other
sources of tutorials that many people have done on using NVDA.
You would find that it is more like Window Eyes than JAWS is, and there are
a lot of great young users contributing to its code all of the time. It is
not owned by any company. NVAccess imploys just four people, and they are
just the cherity organization that keeps it altogether. Most of what happens
with NVDA is done by the blind all over the world.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ivan Cribb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 1:24 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: a...@damorris.com
Subject: How to learn to use n v d a

I intend to use Window-Eyes as long as possible but if I have to resort to
another screen reader I want one that does not belong to VFO. NVDA seems the
obvious alternative. Where can I go to learn how to use it..

Thanks for any help.

Ivan Cribbb 

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Re: To fellow BECKY! users

[Mike Rogers via Talk]

Hi.
I use Becky with Jaws and it works fine.  Here's some info I have on CC and BCC.

CC and BCCC 

Bring up new message.
Select name.
tab to CC or BCCC
Hit alt-C or alt-B.

select name and hit enter.

To  bring up these to make visible  bring up new message and hit control - down 
arrow twice

Open the new message and hit control-down arrow twice.





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On Tue, 30 May 2017 08:52:17 -0500
Martha via Talk  wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> 1. Has anyone tried using BECKY! with JFW yet?  If so, how did it go?
> 
> 2. Besides using nicknames in BECKY!, what are the steps and keystrokes
> to select multiple recipients of a new composed message?  I'm used to
> Outlook Express where I could be in the address book, arrow to a name
> and press alt and "the letter t" to add a name to the "To" line, alt and
> "the letter c" to
> add the selected name to the "CC:" line, or alt and  the letter "b" to
> add the selected name to the "BCC" line.  Is there a BECKY! way to do
> this?
> 
> Since this is not specific to Window-Eyes, please respond to me off-list
> at
> mrea...@comcast.net
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Martha
> 
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RE: how do you move a file with w/e

[Amanda Lee via Talk]

CTRL-X will delete that content.  If you want to 'COPY' it without deleting
it, you should highlight it and then use CTRL-C for 'COPY' and then CTRL-V
to copy/paste the content, file, etc.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:29 AM
To: Tom Fairhurst ; mcleod stinnett
; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: how do you move a file with w/e

I use control+x to cut the material to the clipboard. I then move to the 
folder in which I wish to place the file or files. I then paste them
with control+V.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:44 AM
To: mcleod stinnett ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: how do you move a file with w/e

I have never actualy tried to move a file. What I do is this. I highlight
the file or files I want to move using the cursor keys. I then press
CONTROL+C to copy the material to the clipboard. I then move to the
directory in which I wish to place the file or files. I then paste them
there with CONTROL+V. Next, I go back to the directory where the original
file is and delete it. This puts the file in the Recycle Bin. I know there
is a way to actually move a file, but at least this way, I am assured that
my file is not lost or destroyed somewhere in the process. If worse comes to
worse, I can restore the file from the recycle bin. Of course, when I am
totally satisfied, I empty the Recycle Bin. Note that these are all Windows
keystroke that should work with any screen reader.

-Original Message- 
From: mcleod stinnett via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 6:25 AM
To: talk
Subject: how do you move a file with w/e

I haven't moved a file since I used outspoken screen reader. I want to
move a file from one directory to another and I need to know how to do
that with latest w/e, thanks
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RE: How to learn to use n v d a

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

By the same token, because it is open source, it is the least secure in the
workplace.  You will find many enterprises that won't trust NVDA
unfortunately.

It is a good screen reader though, not as configurable as JAWS, but not bad
at all.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of David Moore via Talk
Sent: 29 May 2017 06:37
To: Ivan Cribb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: How to learn to use n v d a

Hi Ivan,
NVDA is the screen reader of the future, because everyone has access to its
code. It is called open source, because everyone can contribute to its code.
NVDA will not be bought, because we, the community own it LOL!.
To subscribe to the NVDA list, many experts on there:
nvda+subscr...@nvda.groups.io
You can download NVDA 2017.1, the latest version for free at:
www.nvaccess.org
You can also get tutorials off of there, and find out about many other
sources of tutorials that many people have done on using NVDA.
You would find that it is more like Window Eyes than JAWS is, and there are
a lot of great young users contributing to its code all of the time. It is
not owned by any company. NVAccess imploys just four people, and they are
just the cherity organization that keeps it altogether. Most of what happens
with NVDA is done by the blind all over the world.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ivan Cribb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 1:24 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: a...@damorris.com
Subject: How to learn to use n v d a

I intend to use Window-Eyes as long as possible but if I have to resort to
another screen reader I want one that does not belong to VFO. NVDA seems the
obvious alternative. Where can I go to learn how to use it..

Thanks for any help.

Ivan Cribbb 

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RE: is it possible?

[Amanda Lee via Talk]

Very true and have operated this way for years as I have used them for
testing for various purposes or at times, I've found one Screen Reader
provides a better interpretation of the content, the controls within an
application for navigational purposes and other aspects.  I only recently
had issues with JAWS crashing after I unloaded Window-Eyes and JAWS blue
screened.  There were updates for Framework which seemed to have resolved
this aftertheir installation.  Still, this isn't related to both Screen
Readers being installed on the same computer at all.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:59 AM
To: 'Richard Jarvis' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: is it possible?

Hi,

JAWS won't install over any copy of Window-Eyes, you can have them both
installed quite happily.

All the best

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Jarvis via Talk
Sent: 28 May 2017 18:45
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: is it possible?

Hello group, I just got the message about win eyes being discontinued and
that I can itagrate to jaws.  My question is will I be able to keep my
current copy of window eyes and use it if I want too?  I have the latest
version o.5.0. or will jaws install over this copy?  If so can I still get a
cd of window eyes 9.5.0?  Thanks for all the help.  Rick
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RE: move to jaws

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Dennis,

Are they paying you?  You sound like a constant commercial.

All the best

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 29 May 2017 04:17
To: 'Butch Bussen' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: move to jaws

NVDA is not as powerful as Jaws.  

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 3:26 PM
To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: move to jaws

Window-eyes isn't some disease we all have to get rid of.  I plan to use it
for as much as I can for as long as it works.  If necessary, I'll switch to
nvda.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 28 May 2017, Don H via Talk wrote:

> I have found that a great combination to have is NVDA and Jaws.  Since 
> getting my Jaws activation code I have not used Window Eyes at all.
> For me NVDA is easier to learn than Jaws.  So my overall plan is to 
> use NVDA as my primary screen reader and Jaws as my backup if things 
> come up that NVDA has problems with.  May Window Eyes Rest in Peace.
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RE: move to jaws

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

Window-Eyes will let you do this too.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: 29 May 2017 03:02
To: mcommerf...@comcast.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: RE: move to jaws

OOne thing I learned just now is that I can use MicroSoft’s mobile voices with 
NVDa.  For example, none of the other screen-readers can use the new Mark voice 
from MicroSoft because it’s a mobile voice.  Someone wrote an NVDA add-on that 
allows use the the Mobile SAPI voices.  It’s a little sluggish intyping, but, 
I’ve always wanted a way to use the Mark voice with something besides Narrator.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Marvin Commerford via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:50 PM
To: Don H via Talk
Subject: Re: move to jaws

I'll have to agree here.  Using JFW with Thunderbird is quite disappointing to 
me.  JFW can't give message counts or indexes in message folders.  NVDA does 
this very well.  WE in my opinion works better with TB than JFW does except for 
the fact that TB often crashes when using WE.  For me the commercial screen 
readers have problems with TB that NVDA overcomes.  I'm glad I now have all 
three screen readers to use since each of them has deficiencies for some 
programs.


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> I have found that a great combination to have is NVDA and Jaws.  Since 
> getting my Jaws activation code I have not used Window Eyes at all.  
> For me NVDA is easier to learn than Jaws.  So my overall plan is to 
> use NVDA as my primary screen reader and Jaws as my backup if things 
> come up that NVDA has problems with.  May Window Eyes Rest in Peace.
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Re: Might be useful for new JAWS users

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Where do you go to find these podcast by Jonathan Mozen? Thanks.

On 5/30/2017 8:23 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote:

Hi Steve:

I didn't know about the touch cursor until a few days ago when I
listened to Jonathan Mozen's podcast where somebody described it.  Up
until then, I would have avoided it, since I had assumed that it was
only for computers with touch screens.
I think that that might have been what they intended it to be in the
beginning, but it morphed into something more useful for all JAWS
users

Kevin Huber.

On 5/30/17, Steve Nutt via Talk  wrote:

Hi,

Actually the touch cursor is a bit misnamed, because you can use it with
the
keyboard.  But yes, it is great.

All the best

Steve
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Martin Brown via Talk
Sent: 24 May 2017 09:42
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Might be useful for new JAWS users

I am a long time user of JAWS. A lot could be done to improve its
usability.
Sadly, in recent times, the opposite is true. In many instances I find the
JAWS curser as a means of reading a screen just about useless. Instead, I
now invoke the touch curser which I find will get me to information not
available to either the PC curser or the JAWS  curser. To enable the touch
curser, hold down the shift key and press the numpad plus key. You can then
move up and down through the information using the left and right arrow
keys, or if you prefer, by using the numpad keys four and six. To leave the
touch curser mode, simply press the numpad plus key twice quickly.
Hope this helps all you  new JAWS users.
Martin

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RE: move to jaws

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

I agree, but the JAWS script for Winamp is inferior to that of Jeff Bishop's
excellent Winamp script for Window-Eyes.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 28 May 2017 23:21
To: 'Tom Fairhurst' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: move to jaws

Jaws has scripts for winamp.  You would be smart to learn Jaws.  Window-eyes
will not always work properly.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 6:19 PM
To: Butch Bussen; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: move to jaws

No WindowEyes is not a disease we must get rid of. I will keep both screen
readers as long as I can. Window-Eyes works much better with Winamp and
Windows Live Mail. Additionally with JAWS, I could not copy text from the
internet into Windows Explorer to name a file or folder. I can do so with
Window-Eyes.

-Original Message-
From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 2:25 PM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: move to jaws

Window-eyes isn't some disease we all have to get rid of.  I plan to use it
for as much as I can for as long as it works.  If necessary, I'll switch to
nvda.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 28 May 2017, Don H via Talk wrote:

> I have found that a great combination to have is NVDA and Jaws.  Since 
> getting my Jaws activation code I have not used Window Eyes at all.
> For me NVDA is easier to learn than Jaws.  So my overall plan is to 
> use NVDA as my primary screen reader and Jaws as my backup if things 
> come up that NVDA has problems with.  May Window Eyes Rest in Peace.
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RE: is it possible?

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

JAWS won't install over any copy of Window-Eyes, you can have them both
installed quite happily.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Jarvis via Talk
Sent: 28 May 2017 18:45
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: is it possible?

Hello group, I just got the message about win eyes being discontinued and
that I can itagrate to jaws.  My question is will I be able to keep my
current copy of window eyes and use it if I want too?  I have the latest
version o.5.0. or will jaws install over this copy?  If so can I still get a
cd of window eyes 9.5.0?  Thanks for all the help.  Rick
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RE: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Amanda Lee via Talk]

Steve, sometimes a shortcut key is handy if JAWS isn't set to run after
Startup or it crashes which JAWS18 tends to do or when it loses focus and
need to restart JAWS.  

Kind regards,

Amanda Lee


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[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:46 AM
To: 'Carol and Roger' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
List' 
Subject: RE: Jaws hot key undefined after update

Hi,

A more robust way to run JAWS, if you know what version is on the machine is
to go to the Run menu, by pressing Windows+R, then type "jaws18" without the
quotes and press enter.

Change the number 18, to whatever major version it is.

I haven't used the Alt-Control-J shortcut for ages.

All the best

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: 26 May 2017 12:57
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

Hi Rod,

Yes, this did happen to me.  I just figured it was my computer that forgot
it since it has already asked me twice before to confirm that I am the
administrator.  So, I set it again and it has been fine since.

Take care,

Carol


On 5/26/2017 7:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up
in the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
> This happened to mine after the recent update.
> It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
> I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rod
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RE: escape, tab, enter key ETC.

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

Insert-6 to go into Settings Centre, then search for key label.  You can
turn them off individually.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: 26 May 2017 16:58
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: escape, tab, enter key ETC.

How do we go about silencing these keys when hitting them? Thanks.
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RE: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

A more robust way to run JAWS, if you know what version is on the machine is
to go to the Run menu, by pressing Windows+R, then type "jaws18" without the
quotes and press enter.

Change the number 18, to whatever major version it is.

I haven't used the Alt-Control-J shortcut for ages.

All the best

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: 26 May 2017 12:57
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

Hi Rod,

Yes, this did happen to me.  I just figured it was my computer that forgot
it since it has already asked me twice before to confirm that I am the
administrator.  So, I set it again and it has been fine since.

Take care,

Carol


On 5/26/2017 7:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up
in the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
> This happened to mine after the recent update.
> It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
> I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rod
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Re: Fw: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Russ and all.
I haven't read the blog yet but this reminds me of when Freedom
Scientific bought out Henterjoyce, maker of JAWS, Blazie Engineering,
maker of braille nottakers and Arkenstone, maker of the Arkenstone
Scanner.  There were fears and lots of rumors that Freedom Scientific
would try to by out GW Micro, but we all know that that never
happened.

Kevin Huber

On 5/29/17, Russ Kiehne via Talk  wrote:
> I thought some of you would be interested in this?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bhavya shah
> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:02 PM
> To: blindt...@groups.io
> Subject: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?
>
> Dear all,
> ‘Will VFO Acquire NVDA?’ has been a highly debated topic in the
> blindness community in recent times. Find out the answer to this
> inquiry with all the cogent reasoning, justification and arguments you
> may desire as I explore all the possibilities and probabilities in my
> new blog post.
> ‘Now, let me restate the question of the hour in a simplified form –
> will the VFO-Group, owners of the Freedom Scientific made JAWS screen
> reader, after phasing out its subsidiary AI Squared’s Window Eyes
> screen reader, venture out (caught the pun?) to buy out NV Access and
> its free and open source NVDA screen reader, and thereby establish an
> absolute monopoly as far as Windows screen readers go?’
> Post URL:
> https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/05/28/will-vfo-acquire-nv-access/
> Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
>
> Feel free to drop your comments, follow the blog or share the post.
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Best Regards
> Bhavya Shah
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Re: Might be useful for new JAWS users

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Steve:

I didn't know about the touch cursor until a few days ago when I
listened to Jonathan Mozen's podcast where somebody described it.  Up
until then, I would have avoided it, since I had assumed that it was
only for computers with touch screens.
I think that that might have been what they intended it to be in the
beginning, but it morphed into something more useful for all JAWS
users

Kevin Huber.

On 5/30/17, Steve Nutt via Talk  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Actually the touch cursor is a bit misnamed, because you can use it with
> the
> keyboard.  But yes, it is great.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Martin Brown via Talk
> Sent: 24 May 2017 09:42
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Might be useful for new JAWS users
>
> I am a long time user of JAWS. A lot could be done to improve its
> usability.
> Sadly, in recent times, the opposite is true. In many instances I find the
> JAWS curser as a means of reading a screen just about useless. Instead, I
> now invoke the touch curser which I find will get me to information not
> available to either the PC curser or the JAWS  curser. To enable the touch
> curser, hold down the shift key and press the numpad plus key. You can then
> move up and down through the information using the left and right arrow
> keys, or if you prefer, by using the numpad keys four and six. To leave the
> touch curser mode, simply press the numpad plus key twice quickly.
> Hope this helps all you  new JAWS users.
> Martin
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Re: Tutorial Question

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Carol and Roger:

How do you know that, given that the webinar has not yet taken place?

Kevvin Huber

On 5/29/17, Carol and Roger via Talk  wrote:
> Short answer is that Raul's tutorials come from the perspective of a
> Window-Eyes user where Jaws tutorials give the impression that you might
> be a beginning non-screen reader user.
>
>
> On 5/29/2017 1:19 PM, Ted Larson via Talk wrote:
>> First, what is the link to Raul Gallegos' Jaws tutorials?  I lost it in
>> the
>> myriads of postings.
>>
>> Second, What are the differences between Raul Gallegos' tutorials and
>> those
>> mentioned in the end of life announcement?  I am trying to figure out
>> which
>> one to start out with.  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson
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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate of 
Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we don't have 
any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the demise of 
Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I have purchased 
others in the past. I admit, some I have found very helpful and others not 
so much. While I don't intend to purchase one at this time, I think the 
tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits.


-Original Message- 
From: CJ  MAY via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM
To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The 
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm 
UK Time


I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a
tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use, but
why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in creating a
tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about purchasing
Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending.

In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were
always of a high standard.

There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to
splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to undertake such
a big piece of work and receive no reward.



Alison



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Re: New and confusedBjaws user needing help please

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

Yes this is correct.  You can have both Window-eyes 
and JAWS installed on the same machine.  You didn't have to uninstall 
Window-eyes.





On 5/30/2017 9:57 AM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Hi, Why did you uninstall WE? You can have both on your PC at the same 
time. As far as the keyboard layout, go to the Jaws menus by using 
insert J, then I think under options, or basics is the option to 
choose what keyboard layout you wish to use. HTH


-Original Message- From: Jo Taliaferro via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 7:22 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: New and confusedBjaws user needing help please

Hi, I did make the switch to jazz 18 but even as I try to configure my 
settings I see the window eyes apps still popping up I do not know how 
to remove them. I did perhaps do the uninstall of when the wise in 
correctly although are used the programs and features segment from 
which to uninstall window eyes. Can someone help me to know how to 
remove these apps? I am using windows 10 and a layout laptop. The 
laptop layout seems not to be working correctly for me, either. Thank 
you and advance for your assistance. Excuse my dictation mistakes.


Jo Taliaferro
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Re: New and confusedBjaws user needing help please

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, Why did you uninstall WE? You can have both on your PC at the same time. 
As far as the keyboard layout, go to the Jaws menus by using insert J, then 
I think under options, or basics is the option to choose what keyboard 
layout you wish to use. HTH


-Original Message- 
From: Jo Taliaferro via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 7:22 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: New and confusedBjaws user needing help please

Hi, I did make the switch to jazz 18 but even as I try to configure my 
settings I see the window eyes apps still popping up I do not know how to 
remove them. I did perhaps do the uninstall of when the wise in correctly 
although are used the programs and features segment from which to uninstall 
window eyes. Can someone help me to know how to remove these apps? I am 
using windows 10 and a layout laptop. The laptop layout seems not to be 
working correctly for me, either. Thank you and advance for your assistance. 
Excuse my dictation mistakes.


Jo Taliaferro
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To fellow BECKY! users

[Martha via Talk]

Hi.

1. Has anyone tried using BECKY! with JFW yet?  If so, how did it go?

2. Besides using nicknames in BECKY!, what are the steps and keystrokes
to select multiple recipients of a new composed message?  I'm used to
Outlook Express where I could be in the address book, arrow to a name
and press alt and "the letter t" to add a name to the "To" line, alt and
"the letter c" to
add the selected name to the "CC:" line, or alt and  the letter "b" to
add the selected name to the "BCC" line.  Is there a BECKY! way to do
this?

Since this is not specific to Window-Eyes, please respond to me off-list
at
mrea...@comcast.net

Thanks.

Martha


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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! BeingHeld Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

As a old friend of mine said: Several screen readers battled for supremacy 
in North America at the end of the last century and the beginning of this 
one, and now JAWS is the only one still  standing.


-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 1:07 PM
To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The 
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! BeingHeld Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm 
UK Time


OK. The real truth is that we have been shafted by the company who made
JAWS, pluss the blind organizations. The true reason why organizations
favored JAWS above Window-Eyes was because it brought them more profit. The
venders who sold Window-Eyes, supernova etc. always put JAWS at the top of
their lists. Plus the venders deliberately lied about Window-Eyes too. As an
example, their was a girlfriend of a list member, named Carol who was on the
list,  and one of her relatives was blind, and he used Window-Eyes so he
recommended it over JAWS. She got Window-Eyes no problems. Then, she went
and got a new computer and a new copy of Window-Eyes, and the assessor that
she met told her that Window-Eyes was going bust and that there was no point
in going with it. This guy worked at the blind school in Brantford, Ontario.
Carol told him that she was under no circumstances taking JAWS and that she
had a Window-Eyes expert as a boyfriend and she eventually got Window-Eyes
with two SMA's. Also, venders for the blind would also lie about the free
version of Window-Eyes for office. They would say things like the free
version doesn't work with office, it only works as a demo, it only lasts 6
months, it only lasts for 90 days, etc. These were regular lies told by the
venders. It was the profit factor, not the product. The venders favored JAWS
because it brought them more profit. That is the true story of why
Window-Eyes  never made it up to the top.
gbow...@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:45 AM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

Let's hear it, why is that?
And I just had a funny thing happen with JAWS,  I did the hole control+y to
go to a folder in outlook, and I selected my inbox. It told me -2 of 1014
messages. So, it's okay for JAWS to report negative numbers? lol

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:43 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

I'm not even going to be buying this course by this guy.  Besides, I know
the whole truth of why JAWS was promoted over Window-Eyes and it is not just
my opinion, it is the truth of many Window-Eyes users.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:35 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I
will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the
United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!

For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for
it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists
frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at
just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with
smiles.

Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a
download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it
till I have learned enough to get stuff done.

No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning to
Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely
to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with
Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for
transitioning!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Tutorial Question

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I listened to them and they are great tutorials for someone who is currently 
using window eyes and now in the process of changing to jaws.


-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:00 AM
To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: Tutorial Question

Hi again:

Since you are coming from Window-Eyes, I would start with Raul’s tutorials 
on the page I gave you.


It’ll get you through the major things you do.

Here’s a list of the topics covered:

• Startup Wizard Tutorial [Audio]
• Startup Wizard Tutorial [Transcript]
• Basic Hotkeys Tutorial [Audio]
• Basic Hotkeys Tutorial [Transcript]
• Information Hotkeys Tutorial [Audio]
• Information Hotkeys Tutorial [Transcript]
• Getting Help Tutorial [Audio]
• Getting Help Tutorial [Transcript]
• Synthesizers Tutorial [Audio]
• Synthesizers Tutorial [Transcript]
• Outlook Tutorial [Audio]
• Outlook Tutorial [Transcript]
• Cursor Reading Tutorial [Audio]
• Cursor Reading Tutorial [Transcript]
• Web Browsing Tutorial [Audio]
• Web Browsing Tutorial [Transcript]

Hope this helps.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 1:19 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Tutorial Question

First, what is the link to Raul Gallegos' Jaws tutorials?  I lost it in the
myriads of postings.

Second, What are the differences between Raul Gallegos' tutorials and those
mentioned in the end of life announcement?  I am trying to figure out which
one to start out with.  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson

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Re: how do you move a file with w/e

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I use control+x to cut the material to the clipboard. I then move to the 
folder in which I wish to place the file or files. I then paste them

with control+V.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:44 AM
To: mcleod stinnett ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: how do you move a file with w/e

I have never actualy tried to move a file. What I do is this. I highlight
the file or files I want to move using the cursor keys. I then press
CONTROL+C to copy the material to the clipboard. I then move to the
directory in which I wish to place the file or files. I then paste them
there with CONTROL+V. Next, I go back to the directory where the original
file is and delete it. This puts the file in the Recycle Bin. I know there
is a way to actually move a file, but at least this way, I am assured that
my file is not lost or destroyed somewhere in the process. If worse comes to
worse, I can restore the file from the recycle bin. Of course, when I am
totally satisfied, I empty the Recycle Bin. Note that these are all Windows
keystroke that should work with any screen reader.

-Original Message- 
From: mcleod stinnett via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 6:25 AM
To: talk
Subject: how do you move a file with w/e

I haven't moved a file since I used outspoken screen reader. I want to
move a file from one directory to another and I need to know how to do
that with latest w/e, thanks
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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switchfrom window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Tony C via Talk]

I think that if a person spends the time and effort to develoop something 
then he certainly has the right to charge for it. Seems like so many people 
are always looking for a handout.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:39 PM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The 
Switchfrom window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,7pm 
UK Time


According to this mentality there shouldn't be a charge for anything.
How many things in your life don't help you out in one way or another?

On 5/29/2017 11:38 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

There shouldn't be a charge for helping someone out.  It's disgraceful.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:37 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The 
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 
7pm UK Time


Why not it was a business decision to discontinue WE.  $38 is versonable.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:35 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The 
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 
7pm UK Time


I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I 
will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the 
United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!


For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some 
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for 
it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists 
frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at 
just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand 
with smiles.


Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand 
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, 
a download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on 
it till I have learned enough to get stuff done.


No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning 
to Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as 
is possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't 
have answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here 
with workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition 
completely to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who 
need help with Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a 
cent for transitioning!


Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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New and confusedBjaws user needing help please

[Jo Taliaferro via Talk]

Hi, I did make the switch to jazz 18 but even as I try to configure my settings 
I see the window eyes apps still popping up I do not know how to remove them. I 
did perhaps do the uninstall of when the wise in correctly although are used 
the programs and features segment from which to uninstall window eyes. Can 
someone help me to know how to remove these apps? I am using windows 10 and a 
layout laptop. The laptop layout seems not to be working correctly for me, 
either. Thank you and advance for your assistance. Excuse my dictation mistakes.

Jo Taliaferro 
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RE: End of Life Message

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Alison,

Just tab to the check box that says Don't Show This Message Again and press
space on it.  Then press Cancel.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: 26 May 2017 09:11
To: 'Don H' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: End of Life Message

Because I share my pc with my sighted husband, we are continually switching
Window-eyes on and off and each time, at the moment, that we switch it back
on, we get the End of Life Message.

 

Alison

 

 

 

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RE: Jaws and copy text question

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

I'm confused by this message.  You can use the shifted arrows for selection
in JAWS, but not Window-Eyes.  I don't like the Window-Eyes F8 method
personally.  Not only that the Window-Eyes F8 method is inconsistent.  It
works in IE, but not in Acrobat for example.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: 25 May 2017 22:12
To: 'David Moore' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Jaws and copy text question

I tell you, the Window-Eyes method for copying text is less cumbersome.
Only three keystrokes to worry about:  F8 to start, F8 to end, Alt-C to copy
to Clipboard.

For Jaws, Ctrl-Windows-K, then Insert-Space, then M, last, Ctrl-C to finally
copy to clipboard.  I wonder why Jaws can't keep almost anything simple?

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 


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RE: End of Life Message

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Brenda,

You can probably get JAWS to work with Vipre using the touch cursor.  I
haven't tried Vipre though.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: 25 May 2017 16:49
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Subject: End of Life Message

Hello List,

I turn Window-eyes on manually.  Yesterday after my computer almost died due
to multiple and random power surges, I got the Window-eyes End of Life
Notification.  Really depressing.  I wish they had just said window-eyes
Discontinuation Notice - it would have been less ominous.

Fortunately, my husband revived my Window7 machine and Window-eyes still
works.  I need to use Jaws more often so I can learn it, but I just can't
bring myself to do so when Window-Eyes works with programs like Vipre and
Jaws doesn't.  Also, Window-Eyes has a setting which makes it work in safe
mode and Jaws doesn't.

Brenda
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RE: a question regarding jaws installation

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Lee,

Yes, it will work perpetually.  It is your licence.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Lee Hodgson via Talk
Sent: 25 May 2017 16:47
To: Neville via Talk 
Subject: a question regarding jaws installation 

Hi ,
I wondered if anyone can answer a question for me.

I have my jaws authorisation code, but do not really, as yet, want to
install jaws.
Will this authorisation code work whenever I use it? in other words, after
the 31 july when the offer of free transfer expires?

I guess what I want to know is, if I install Jaws on say the 1st of
september this year, will the authorisation ccode still work 
regardless.   I would imagine so, but just wanted to msound out about 
it, to put my mind at rest.
thanks and sorry if this is a silly question.
Lee, Emily my guiding furry snowflake and Chester and Simba the feline
fellas. 

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RE: Might be useful for new JAWS users

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

Actually the touch cursor is a bit misnamed, because you can use it with the
keyboard.  But yes, it is great.

All the best

Steve
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On Behalf Of Martin Brown via Talk
Sent: 24 May 2017 09:42
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Might be useful for new JAWS users

I am a long time user of JAWS. A lot could be done to improve its usability.
Sadly, in recent times, the opposite is true. In many instances I find the
JAWS curser as a means of reading a screen just about useless. Instead, I
now invoke the touch curser which I find will get me to information not
available to either the PC curser or the JAWS  curser. To enable the touch
curser, hold down the shift key and press the numpad plus key. You can then
move up and down through the information using the left and right arrow
keys, or if you prefer, by using the numpad keys four and six. To leave the
touch curser mode, simply press the numpad plus key twice quickly.
Hope this helps all you  new JAWS users.
Martin 

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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[CJ MAY via Talk]

I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a
tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use, but
why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in creating a
tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about purchasing
Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending.

In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were
always of a high standard. 

There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to
splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to undertake such
a big piece of work and receive no reward.

 

Alison

 

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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[CJ MAY via Talk]

My paths haven't crossed with Brian Hartgen for many years but when I was
relatively new to computers, his tutorials were really helpful, especially
as at that time, he was a Window-eyes user himself. He is very
knowledgeable, talks in a non-technical way and makes learning easy. Will I
buy his tutorial? Well, I'll see how I get on with what's already available
first. I do have several friends who are Jaws users so might keep my money
in my pocket for the time being - smile!

 

Alison

 

 

 

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