Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Lary,  Yes, I have been having the same issue.  It is quite 
annoying.  I am not sure when this behavior began.  Also, near the end 
of last November,TB did an upgrade and suddenly I was not able to get 
any new messages.  I think it might have something to do with changing 
longin procedures on my two email providers   I rolled back my system to 
the checkpoint that was done at the time of the TB upgrade and voila all 
was well again except for the focus switching issue.  Bernie


On 1/6/2022 2:41 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Rick,


I, like you, am not experiencing this issue. The one issue I have had 
to learn to put up with for the past couple of months or so is that 
Thunderbird losing focus whenever a new message comes onto the mail 
account/server I happen to be using at the time.



Whenever arrowing through a list of messages, no matter which box I 
might be in, this happens. It throws me back to the first level of 
mail boxes, more specifically, my inbox.



Are by chance you experiencing this issue, and if so, have you found a 
way around it?



PS It just occurred to me that I might be hijacking a thread. If so, I 
apologize. I certainly hope you have by now solved the original issue. 
Just hope I don't confront that one in the future.



Larry



On 1/6/2022 11:47 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote:
Rick here, and I am not having that problem with wineyes and 
thunderbird.  I don't know what settings I have, but I am able to 
read everything with no problems.

Wish I could help you regards Rick

On 10/22/2021 2:07 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:
I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. 
Although I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began 
several months ago.


Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen 
reader of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 2021 
to see whether things work better. When it comes to email, I can no 
longer use Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W E with 
Thunderbird, I can no longer read the body of any message. I can 
read the to, from, and subject fields but not the message body.


Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud 
Hutton indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which 
nowneeded to be disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder 
whether this could be the problem when attempting to read email 
using Thunderbird. If anyone remembers what I am talking about, I 
would appreciate knowing which W E apps need to be disabled.


I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read 
email using W E.


Thanks in advance for feedback.

Don Roberts

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Thunderbird

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi,  Not sure whether there are many WE users still on this list but 
just in case, I have a question.  I am running WE 9.5.4. on Windows 10.  
I use Thunderbird as my email client.  All was going well until around 
the 27th of Nov.  then, It appears as though there was an update..  
After that, I was no longer receiving email messages on both my gmail 
and outlook acounts.  I have become a bit rusty on win 10 and as I 
looked around to try and figure what was going on, I couldn't get the 
messages.  So, since I had a pretty good idea of when trouble began, I 
decided to roll back my system.  I discovered a checkpoint on Nov. 26 
and after the roll back, all was well and messages poured in.  Does 
anyone have an idea about what might be causing the issue and maybe how 
to fix it?  thanks for any help.  Bernie


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Re: email not reading

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Carol,  I am not sure what to say about your comment regarding a 
possible problem with your video.  However, realizing that WE is no 
longer a viable product,I'll offer a possible suggestion.  I am 
currently running WE 95.4 on a win 10 system and use TB all the time.  
Not sure what version of TB I have.  On occasions,  I had something 
similar to what you are describing.  What I found was that when TB 
started, WE failed to load the TB setfile.  So, if your system is still 
running and you can get into TB, press control backslash to get to the 
we control panel and if WE doesn't announce the setfile, press shift-T 
and it should say which setfile is loaded.  At that point if it is not 
the TB setfile, simply press escape to go back to TB and then the TB 
sefile will become active.  Hope this helps.  Bernie


On 10/23/2021 9:53 PM, Carol Smith via Talk wrote:

Hi Thomas,

My email is thunderbird.  It has always worked on my win10 computer 
until the other day.  As I stated, sometimes, I can use the 
ctrl-shift-w command and the portion of the screen that is visible 
will, but I can not read any further.  Also, If I find a link, I can 
click on it, but there is no speech saying what the link is for.  I 
have a feeling that the problem has something to do with the video 
output as I heard the pc say something about making changes to the 
video and it shut down.  I have not been prompted with any other otice.


Carol


On 10/22/2021 7:14 PM, Thomas Chan via Talk wrote:

Was it an email client or a web browser?

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 08:22, Carol Smith via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Hi,

Recently, Microsoft thought I needed an update to my system so it
performed the update while I was asleep.  Mostly, things are running
correctly, but I am now having difficulty reading my email messages.
The title, who it was sent from and anything outside the editing 
area no

longer read.  Sometimes, I have been able to read with the ctrl-shift-w
command, but if the message is more than one aswreen, I can't get the
rest to read.  Does anyone have any ideas?  I would surely accept any
ideas.

Thank you,

Carol

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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Jane,  I also had used WE since about the mid 90's. Back then, I 
resisted making upgrades to my system and usually didn't upgrade WE 
immediately after a new release was issued.  But, about ten years ago, I 
realized this was not a good strategy.  AT the time I was using both WE 
and IE.  But, as I would frowse the net, more and more sites indicated 
that I needed to upgrade my browser. Finally I gave in and decided to 
switch to Chrome because at that time WE did not work at all with MS 
Edge.  Generally, I have been satisfied with Chrome but is it perfect, 
no.  When Windows ten came out, I did upgrade and then I decided to 
switch to a copy of WE for office.  Again, I found this generally good.  
I will admit that I don't use much of office and I wish I had a better 
understanding of it.  However, I manage to get along with what I have to 
do.


As far as your situation, if you have windows 10 and want to use WE for 
office, you should get a copy of WE 9.5.4.  Some time ago, I think it 
was Rod Hutton who posted a dropbox link to the 9.5.4 file.  I have been 
searching my old email messages to see if I can find the link.  I 
actually have the file on my Win 10 machine but will have to figure out 
how to send it.  I am not sure at this time.


One more thing.  I have been allowing my system to update windows as we 
go and am still able to use WE for many things.  Hope this helps.  Bernie.


On 2/20/2021 9:55 AM, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:

Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of BK via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: BK 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello


Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version of WE
that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not work with win 10.
That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.

Butch K.
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Re: Window eyes issue

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Tom,  I did find the wediag package and installed it.  The version 
that shows on my system is 1.2.9.

On 7/16/2019 12:15 AM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote:
> I just checked and have this as well.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On 
> Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 2:48 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Rod Hutton 
> Subject: RE: Window eyes issue
>
> Hi Bernie,
>
> Having checked my system, I have an Apps menu choice named Diagnostics which 
> is also the name of the associated Window-Eyes app.
> The version I have is 1.2.7.
> My installation package of WE 9.5.4 retail included this app.
> Perhaps someone on this list has the separate app and can make it available 
> for you on DropBox or simply email it to you.
> The filename of the Diagnostics app is wediag.wepm.
> I do have a separate copy of this app, but it is only version 1.2.5, and I 
> think you would be better with the most recent version.
> However, if you would like it, I can put it in my DropBox.
>
> All the best,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On 
> Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
> Sent: July 15, 2019 3:08 PM
> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
> Cc: Bernie Perella 
> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>
> Hi Rod,  I have no problem moving around the WE control panel but under the 
> apps menu, I find no diagnostics item.  Not sure what is going on.
>
> On 7/15/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Bernie,
>>
>> If you are in the We control panel, you should be able to press Alt in order 
>> to open a friendly menu which you can then simply press the arrow keys to 
>> move around in.
>> Apps is definitely one of the menus.
>> Also, another way to do it is that when you have simply opened the WE 
>> control panel, Pressing Alt-A will open the Apps menu.
>> You can then simply press down arrow several times to find the Diagnostics 
>> menu.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>> Sent: July 15, 2019 2:34 PM
>> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
>> Cc: Bernie Perella 
>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>
>> Hi Rod,  thank you for your help so far.  I tried going to the WE
>> cotrol panel but there is no diagnostics item under the apps menu.
>> What do you think?  I have show advanced options checked under the
>> help menu.  Bernie
>>
>> On 7/15/2019 11:15 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi Bernie,
>>>
>>> In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, you should find an 
>>> option called Diagnostics, which is a pull-down menu.
>>> In that pull-down, there's an option called Microsoft Office.
>>> In that menu, there are a number of options which may help diagnose and 
>>> repair the licence for your Office suite.
>>> You must have a good licence in order for Office to run out of demo mode.
>>> See if this helps.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> 
>>> On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>>> Sent: July 15, 2019 10:37 AM
>>> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
>>> Cc: Bernie Perella 
>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>>
>>> Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0.
>>> However, trying to run that file gives the message that the
>>> certificate has been revoked.   I checked the certificate and found
>>> that indeed it has expired.  then I found another installation file
>>> for WE 9.2.0.  I did run that file after checking that its
>>> certificate had also expired but it did run and I got WE 9.2
>>> installed.  Then used my we 9.5.4 upgrade file to get WE 9.5.4
>>> installed.  However, I am still having the issue that WE runs only in
>>> demo mode.  Still looking for any suggestions for how to get WE into
>>> normal operation.  Thnks again to those who have responded.  Bernie
>>>
>>> On 7/15/2019 9:11 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hi Loy and Bernie,
>>>>
>>>> Okay, silly me.  I wasn't paying close attention, and so I overlooked the 
>>>> fact that we're talking about a Window-Eyes for Office installation 
>>>> problem, not retail.
>>>> In that event, perhaps someone has a full installation file f

Re: Window eyes issue

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Yes, many times.  Because WE is running in demo mode, I have to reboot 
often.  Just turned on the machine today and got the same three beeps 
which I think means that We video driver is not attached. Not sure how 
to fix that one.

On 7/15/2019 11:59 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Bernie,
>
> Have you rebooted your system?
>
> Good luck,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Talk  On 
> Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
> Sent: July 15, 2019 9:36 PM
> To: Donald L. Roberts via Talk 
> Cc: Bernie Perella 
> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>
> HI to all of you who have responded in an attempt to help me with the WE 
> issue.  thanks to you, I found the wediag package, installed it, and sure 
> enough, now diagnostics shows up under the apps menu in the WE control panel. 
>  However, I clicked on several of the options and We hung up but could not 
> read the screen so don't know what the problem is. Also, now I have noticed 
> that upon WE start, I hear 3 short beeps immediately after the WE startup 
> sound.  After some checking I found that the WE video driver is not 
> associated.  This issue has been occurring several times this afternoon but 
> didn't occur before that. Under the diagnostics option I clicked repair video 
> driver and We hung up. Any additional suggestions are welcomed.  Thanks to 
> all again. Bernie
>
> On 7/15/2019 7:50 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
>> I think the app you are talking about is W E Diags.
>>
>>
>> Don Roberts
>>
>>
>> On 7/15/2019 12:26 PM, David via Talk wrote:
>>> For whatever it is worth.
>>>
>>>
>>> First of all, I run a paid-for version of WinEyes, so probably things
>>> are different in the Office version.
>>>
>>>
>>> Still, I did - for the fun of it - go to my WE Control Panel, and
>>> check the Ap menu. Neither on my system, you will find any "Diagnose" 
>>> choice.
>>>
>>>
>>> What I could contribute here, if my memory serves me right, there did
>>> exist an app named something like WEDiagnose. If that is the case,
>>> maybe you will need this app installed, in order to have the Diagnose
>>> choice under the menu. And perhaps that will explain why neither of
>>> us see it as a selection on our systems.
>>>
>>>
>>> Then again, this was pulled from memory.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On 7/15/2019 9:07 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hi Rod,  I have no problem moving around the WE control panel but
>>>> under the apps menu, I find no diagnostics item.  Not sure what is going 
>>>> on.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/15/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>>>> Hi Bernie,
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are in the We control panel, you should be able to press Alt
>>>>> in order to open a friendly menu which you can then simply press
>>>>> the arrow keys to move around in.
>>>>> Apps is definitely one of the menus.
>>>>> Also, another way to do it is that when you have simply opened the
>>>>> WE control panel, Pressing Alt-A will open the Apps menu.
>>>>> You can then simply press down arrow several times to find the
>>>>> Diagnostics menu.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rod
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Talk
>>>>>  On
>>>>> Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>>>>> Sent: July 15, 2019 2:34 PM
>>>>> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
>>>>> Cc: Bernie Perella 
>>>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Rod,  thank you for your help so far.  I tried going to the WE
>>>>> cotrol panel but there is no diagnostics item under the apps menu.
>>>>> What do you think?  I have show advanced options checked under the
>>>>> help menu.  Bernie
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/15/2019 11:15 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Bernie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, you should
>>>>>> find an option called Diagnostics, which is a pull-down menu.
>>>>>> In that pull-down, there's an option called Microsoft Office.
>>>>>> In that menu, there are a 

Re: Window eyes issue

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

HI to all of you who have responded in an attempt to help me with the WE 
issue.  thanks to you, I found the wediag package, installed it, and 
sure enough, now diagnostics shows up under the apps menu in the WE 
control panel.  However, I clicked on several of the options and We hung 
up but could not read the screen so don't know what the problem is.  
Also, now I have noticed that upon WE start, I hear 3 short beeps 
immediately after the WE startup sound.  After some checking I found 
that the WE video driver is not associated.  This issue has been 
occurring several times this afternoon but didn't occur before that.  
Under the diagnostics option I clicked repair video driver and We hung 
up. Any additional suggestions are welcomed.  Thanks to all again. Bernie

On 7/15/2019 7:50 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
> I think the app you are talking about is W E Diags.
>
>
> Don Roberts
>
>
> On 7/15/2019 12:26 PM, David via Talk wrote:
>> For whatever it is worth.
>>
>>
>> First of all, I run a paid-for version of WinEyes, so probably things
>> are different in the Office version.
>>
>>
>> Still, I did - for the fun of it - go to my WE Control Panel, and check
>> the Ap menu. Neither on my system, you will find any "Diagnose" choice.
>>
>>
>> What I could contribute here, if my memory serves me right, there did
>> exist an app named something like WEDiagnose. If that is the case, maybe
>> you will need this app installed, in order to have the Diagnose choice
>> under the menu. And perhaps that will explain why neither of us see it
>> as a selection on our systems.
>>
>>
>> Then again, this was pulled from memory.
>>
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>> On 7/15/2019 9:07 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi Rod,  I have no problem moving around the WE control panel but under
>>> the apps menu, I find no diagnostics item.  Not sure what is going on.
>>>
>>> On 7/15/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hi Bernie,
>>>>
>>>> If you are in the We control panel, you should be able to press Alt 
>>>> in order to open a friendly menu which you can then simply press 
>>>> the arrow keys to move around in.
>>>> Apps is definitely one of the menus.
>>>> Also, another way to do it is that when you have simply opened the 
>>>> WE control panel, Pressing Alt-A will open the Apps menu.
>>>> You can then simply press down arrow several times to find the 
>>>> Diagnostics menu.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck,
>>>>
>>>> Rod
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk 
>>>>  On 
>>>> Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>>>> Sent: July 15, 2019 2:34 PM
>>>> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
>>>> Cc: Bernie Perella 
>>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>>>
>>>> Hi Rod,  thank you for your help so far.  I tried going to the WE 
>>>> cotrol panel but there is no diagnostics item under the apps menu.  
>>>> What do you think?  I have show advanced options checked under the 
>>>> help menu.  Bernie
>>>>
>>>> On 7/15/2019 11:15 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>>>> Hi Bernie,
>>>>>
>>>>> In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, you should 
>>>>> find an option called Diagnostics, which is a pull-down menu.
>>>>> In that pull-down, there's an option called Microsoft Office.
>>>>> In that menu, there are a number of options which may help 
>>>>> diagnose and repair the licence for your Office suite.
>>>>> You must have a good licence in order for Office to run out of 
>>>>> demo mode.
>>>>> See if this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rod
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Talk 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>>>>> Sent: July 15, 2019 10:37 AM
>>>>> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
>>>>> Cc: Bernie Perella 
>>>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0.
>>>>> However, trying to run that file gives the message that the
>>>>>

Re: Window eyes issue

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Rod,  I have no problem moving around the WE control panel but under 
the apps menu, I find no diagnostics item.  Not sure what is going on.

On 7/15/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Bernie,
>
> If you are in the We control panel, you should be able to press Alt in order 
> to open a friendly menu which you can then simply press the arrow keys to 
> move around in.
> Apps is definitely one of the menus.
> Also, another way to do it is that when you have simply opened the WE control 
> panel, Pressing Alt-A will open the Apps menu.
> You can then simply press down arrow several times to find the Diagnostics 
> menu.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Talk  On 
> Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
> Sent: July 15, 2019 2:34 PM
> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
> Cc: Bernie Perella 
> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>
> Hi Rod,  thank you for your help so far.  I tried going to the WE cotrol 
> panel but there is no diagnostics item under the apps menu.  What do you 
> think?  I have show advanced options checked under the help menu.  Bernie
>
> On 7/15/2019 11:15 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Bernie,
>>
>> In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, you should find an 
>> option called Diagnostics, which is a pull-down menu.
>> In that pull-down, there's an option called Microsoft Office.
>> In that menu, there are a number of options which may help diagnose and 
>> repair the licence for your Office suite.
>> You must have a good licence in order for Office to run out of demo mode.
>> See if this helps.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>> Sent: July 15, 2019 10:37 AM
>> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
>> Cc: Bernie Perella 
>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>
>> Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0.
>> However, trying to run that file gives the message that the
>> certificate has been revoked.   I checked the certificate and found
>> that indeed it has expired.  then I found another installation file
>> for WE 9.2.0.  I did run that file after checking that its certificate
>> had also expired but it did run and I got WE 9.2 installed.  Then used
>> my we 9.5.4 upgrade file to get WE 9.5.4 installed.  However, I am
>> still having the issue that WE runs only in demo mode.  Still looking
>> for any suggestions for how to get WE into normal operation.  Thnks
>> again to those who have responded.  Bernie
>>
>> On 7/15/2019 9:11 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi Loy and Bernie,
>>>
>>> Okay, silly me.  I wasn't paying close attention, and so I overlooked the 
>>> fact that we're talking about a Window-Eyes for Office installation 
>>> problem, not retail.
>>> In that event, perhaps someone has a full installation file for Window-Eyes 
>>> for Office 9.5.4.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> 
>>> On Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
>>> Sent: July 15, 2019 8:47 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>>> Cc: Loy Green 
>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>>
>>> On the retail version doing an emerengcy uninstall and reinstall would fix 
>>> a lot of problems, not sure if it would be the same with a WE for office 
>>> version.
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Re: Window eyes issue

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Rod,  thank you for your help so far.  I tried going to the WE cotrol 
panel but there is no diagnostics item under the apps menu.  What do you 
think?  I have show advanced options checked under the help menu.  Bernie

On 7/15/2019 11:15 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Bernie,
>
> In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, you should find an option 
> called Diagnostics, which is a pull-down menu.
> In that pull-down, there's an option called Microsoft Office.
> In that menu, there are a number of options which may help diagnose and 
> repair the licence for your Office suite.
> You must have a good licence in order for Office to run out of demo mode.
> See if this helps.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Talk  On 
> Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
> Sent: July 15, 2019 10:37 AM
> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
> Cc: Bernie Perella 
> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>
> Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0. However, 
> trying to run that file gives the message that the certificate has been 
> revoked.   I checked the certificate and found that indeed it has expired.  
> then I found another installation file for WE 9.2.0.  I did run that file 
> after checking that its certificate had also expired but it did run and I got 
> WE 9.2 installed.  Then used my we 9.5.4 upgrade file to get WE 9.5.4 
> installed.  However, I am still having the issue that WE runs only in demo 
> mode.  Still looking for any suggestions for how to get WE into normal 
> operation.  Thnks again to those who have responded.  Bernie
>
> On 7/15/2019 9:11 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Loy and Bernie,
>>
>> Okay, silly me.  I wasn't paying close attention, and so I overlooked the 
>> fact that we're talking about a Window-Eyes for Office installation problem, 
>> not retail.
>> In that event, perhaps someone has a full installation file for Window-Eyes 
>> for Office 9.5.4.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> On Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
>> Sent: July 15, 2019 8:47 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Loy Green 
>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>
>> On the retail version doing an emerengcy uninstall and reinstall would fix a 
>> lot of problems, not sure if it would be the same with a WE for office 
>> version.
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Re: Window eyes issue

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0.  
However, trying to run that file gives the message that the certificate 
has been revoked.   I checked the certificate and found that indeed it 
has expired.  then I found another installation file for WE 9.2.0.  I 
did run that file after checking that its certificate had also expired 
but it did run and I got WE 9.2 installed.  Then used my we 9.5.4 
upgrade file to get WE 9.5.4 installed.  However, I am still having the 
issue that WE runs only in demo mode.  Still looking for any suggestions 
for how to get WE into normal operation.  Thnks again to those who have 
responded.  Bernie

On 7/15/2019 9:11 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Loy and Bernie,
>
> Okay, silly me.  I wasn't paying close attention, and so I overlooked the 
> fact that we're talking about a Window-Eyes for Office installation problem, 
> not retail.
> In that event, perhaps someone has a full installation file for Window-Eyes 
> for Office 9.5.4.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On 
> Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
> Sent: July 15, 2019 8:47 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Loy Green 
> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>
> On the retail version doing an emerengcy uninstall and reinstall would fix a 
> lot of problems, not sure if it would be the same with a WE for office 
> version.
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Re: Window eyes issue

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi, thanks for your note.  Actually, I had gone back to an SD card and 
found the file WE for office 9200.  I did install it but when I 
restarted the system, it idicated that WE is a demo copy. I noted that a 
window appeared indicating a check for my account at MS.  No matter what 
I do, it tells me that it can't ong onto my account even though Windows 
has no problem doing it.

I then used my file we for office 9400 upgrade to upgrade the WE and 
when that was finished I restarted the system with the same result when 
WE started.  Any ideas how I can get WE out of demo mode.  Before all 
this began, I was running WE 9.4 and not in demo mode.  Unfortunately, I 
was having some problemms with my system and believing they were 
hardware related, I took the computer to a place I trusted and they said 
the hardware was fine but that Windows was corrupted.  Unfortunately, I 
made a hastey decision to let them reinstall Windows and now I have had 
to reinstall all my apps, WE being one of them.   Any help or 
suggestions are appreciated.  Thanks Bernie

On 7/14/2019 3:39 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Bernie,
>
> Please note that if you're trying to install on Windows 10, you must at least 
> have WE 9.2.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On 
> Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
> Sent: July 13, 2019 2:24 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Bernie Perella 
> Subject: Window eyes issue
>
> HI, I am wondering if FS has now completely put the ax to Windoweyes. 
> Recently I had to reinstall Windows onto my Toshiba laptop.  As a result, I 
> had to reinstall my apps, Windoweyes being one of them.  I have a valid copy 
> of MS Office 2016 home and student.  I also have an installation copy of 
> WindowEyesForOfficeEnglish9510.exe and the update file for we 954.  When I 
> first tried to reinstall the we 9.1.0 it appeared to work but things didn't 
> seem right.  I uninstalled WE and when I tried to run the we 9.1.0.exe file 
> again, I received a message that an administrator has blocked the file.  I 
> checked the properties/certificates and found that the certificate had been 
> explicitly revoked.  So, the questio is:  have certificates for We 
> installation files been revoked so that once a user needs to reinstall their 
> copy of WE, they are now dead in the water? thanks for any help. Bernie
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Window eyes issue

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

HI, I am wondering if FS has now completely put the ax to Windoweyes.  
Recently I had to reinstall Windows onto my Toshiba laptop.  As a 
result, I had to reinstall my apps, Windoweyes being one of them.  I 
have a valid copy of MS Office 2016 home and student.  I also have an 
installation copy of WindowEyesForOfficeEnglish9510.exe and the update 
file for we 954.  When I first tried to reinstall the we 9.1.0 it 
appeared to work but things didn't seem right.  I uninstalled WE and 
when I tried to run the we 9.1.0.exe file again, I received a message 
that an administrator has blocked the file.  I checked the 
properties/certificates and found that the certificate had been 
explicitly revoked.  So, the questio is:  have certificates for We 
installation files been revoked so that once a user needs to reinstall 
their copy of WE, they are now dead in the water? thanks for any help.  
Bernie

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Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi, I agree with Alusegun.  Acouple of years ago, when we all learned of 
the                                 end of WE, I did lots of soul 
searching as to what I would do.  after considering various options,  I 
chose to move on and decided to go all Android.  I believed then, as I 
do now, that the other Windows screenreader would eventually suffer the 
same fate as We because it was developed in a time that was so much 
different from now, that it would not be able to keep up with the 
unfolding technology.  If anyone on this list would ask my advice, I 
would urge them to consider one of the screenreaders being offered by 
Apple, MS, or Google.  These screenreaders, while perhaps not what we 
all would want, are however, moving along with technology supportig 
touch screens and many of the new apps that are being available.So, when 
I read that WE no longer works with apps, I can only say, you better 
move on. 5/14/2019 4:40 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via 
Talk wrote:

> Evan wrote:
>
> "I love Eloquence. I wish they'd put it on iOS devices so I could get it on
> my iPad Mini."
>
> That's why I live and breathe Android!  I can install any TTS of my own
> choosing, paid-for or free!!!
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
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Re: Thunderbird repeating

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi, On some occasions I have witnessed TB repeating as I arrowed down 
the list in the inbox and I have also seen it repeat the subjects.  
However, at this time as I write, I am experiencing no such behavior 
even in the subject as you suggested.  For what it is worth, I would 
recommend that when folks experience unusual behavior they should check 
which setfile is loaded.  I have experienced times when I was using TB, 
the proper setfile was not loaded.

On 1/29/2019 10:35 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> If I understand the original thread correctly, Mike and Norene were 
> talking about items repeating when cursoring up and down within a 
> mailbox list.
> The subject being repeated when opening a message is universal because 
> Thunderbird is firing that event multiple times. It happens in NVDA as 
> well.
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 1/29/2019 4:17 AM, Michael via Talk wrote:
>> aws does the same thing when i open an email jaws will repeat the 
>> subject line 2 or 3 times.
>>
>> cheeers Michael.
>>
>> On 29/01/2019 12:30 pm, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>>> Here's a couple things to try.
>>> First, go into General, Other, and turn the trigger delay up. The 
>>> default setting is two. Try turning it way up to something like 
>>> twenty to see if it fixes the problem. If it does, then keep nudging 
>>> it down to the lowest number that will work.
>>> If that doesn't work go back into the same General, Other settings 
>>> and tab down to Allow auto-redraw. If it's on try turning it off.
>>> Hth,
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/28/2019 2:11 PM, Mike via Talk wrote:
 Hello Norene


 I have just realized it is going to same thin wiht Amazon pages.


 Mike.

 On 28/01/2019 01:46, Norene Trappa via Talk wrote:
> For what it's worth, I use MS outlook and iI have the same 
> trouble. You are right, it does slow things down.  I have not had 
> time to dig into it as yet.
>
> Norene
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Mike via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 1:57 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Cc: Mike
> Subject: Thunderbird repeating
>
> Hello Everyone
>
>
> Recently, WE is repeating email labels in Thunderbird. Sometimes it
> will repeat an email title twice but somethines it says it three 
> times.
> This is very frustrating when cursoring down a list of emails 
> because it
> takes much longer to work through the list. Does anyone have any idea
> why this might be happening?
>
>
> With thanks in advance
>
>
> Mike.
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Re: money talks program

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi, I do use the moneytalks program.  However, perhaps I don't have all 
lights on this morning, but I don't quite get what you are asking.  
Could you restate what it is you are looking for? thanks.  Bernie

On 1/20/2019 6:25 AM, Robin via Talk wrote:
> Anyone using the money talks program could you please give me the right
> sendtext to send a mexxage to the list.
> Cheers Robin.
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> Email Sent using, "Becky!" Internet Mail Client version 2.74 [en].
> Email: bob@ntlworld.com
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> Cheers Robin.
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Re: Question About Android phone, Off Topic

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Jim,  I suppose that I can't say I have never looked back after 
purching an Android phone and tablet, but not because I long for 
something else.  Rather, I a still using my Windows computer with 
Windows 1809.  I am still using it because I still am using a couple of 
programs that I like and don't yet have one to replace them.  for 
example, I really like the APH program Moneytalks and wish they would 
port it to another platform but don't think that will happen.  I have 
found Android and all the phone features pretty easy to learn and unlike 
We, there are no profiles, no setfiles etc.  At this point I am in 
process of getting office apps for android and that is going rather 
well.  I know there are some on this list who are still hanging onto 
older versions of windows and WE but I certainly would recommend to them 
that they really get started on choosing a path on which to move 
forward. Note that MS is now supporting only the most recent versions of 
Windows and IE is going by the by.  So, while one still has a working 
system, one could begin to think about and start making the change.  
while I have made my choice, I don't want to tell others what they 
should do.  Take care and have a happy new years.  Bernie

On 12/29/2018 4:22 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
> Hi there Bernie!
>
> Well I went from the Apple iPhone 4 S to the Galaxy s5 and have never 
> looked back! Oh I still think about it but the Apple really hasn't 
> shown me any good reason to switch. Not that I wouldn't if I saw a 
> good reason.  I have been very happy with my Android phones and will 
> probably stay with them for the immediate future! Just My 2-Sense 
> worth! Have A Good 1! de
>
> On 26-Dec-18 14:46, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Bob, Yes, I am using an Android phone and because I got fed up with
>> high cellular phone bills, I switched to the Google Fi cellular
>> network.  As far as the phone goes, I was surprised how easy it was to
>> learn how to use the built-in screen reader called Talkback.  In fact,
>> when the annoouncement about the death of WE came out, I gave
>> considerable thought about what I should do.  I considered switching to
>> the other screenreader but discounted that path because I think that in
>> the not too distant future technology will bring to an end such
>> screenreradrs.  So, that left me where so many of us have wanted to be,
>> finding and acceptable screenreader that is supported by the operating
>> system creator. There are three choices:  MS narrator, Apple
>> Voiceover,and Android Talkback.  I played around with voiceover but I
>> was unahappy about the fact that I would have to have an Iphone and yoou
>> know how expensive they have become.  So, that left Android and there
>> are many phones in all price ranges that you can use.  I bought a very
>> inexpensive Android Tablet with the goal in mind of learning how to use
>> Talkback.  I felt that if using the touch screen was to difficult, I
>> would eat the $100 cost and consider it just an experiment. But, I was
>> surprised that I quickly learned how to use the tablet with the keyboard
>> first and then detaching it so as to use the touch screen. Actually,
>> Before buying the tablet,I needed a new cell phone so after reading
>> about Google Fi, I decided to try it since no contract was involved.  I
>> bought from Google the Nexus 5 and I have never looked back.  I coud go
>> on but probably by now you have had enough.  But, if you have any other
>> questions, let me know.  Bernie
>>
>> On 12/26/2018 2:32 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
>>> Anyone using an android phone"? If so, how do you like it?
>>>
>>> Is there an Android email list? Please reply off-list as this is
>>> off-topic.
>>>
>>> -Bob Ringwald
>>> r...@ringwald.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Mail Client

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Larry, My TB enhancement app is running and seems not to cause any problems.

On 12/26/2018 4:37 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
> Bernie,
>
>
> I just thought about disabling the TB enhancement script, or as they 
> now are called "apps," to see if that would make a difference. I am 
> going to shut down T-Bird for a while and see if that wont do the 
> trick, and if I can do as well without it ... Will shout it from the 
> rooftop if it does.
>
>
>
>
> On 12/26/2018 3:07 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Larry,  I also just checked the version of TB and like you I am
>> running the 32-bit version.  So, for now, don't think that is your 
>> problem.
>>
>> On 12/26/2018 4:02 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>>> Well Bernie, what it does here is say inbox just fine when first
>>> pressing the tab key, and if I'm lucky, it will let me tab down to the
>>> contents, but soon after going there, things start to happen, (God
>>> only knows what), and I have to wait from anywhere from three to five
>>> minutes for things to settle down, then things are fine.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if I have the 32 bit version or 64, or if that would even
>>> make a difference, but it really is a pain to have to keep it open
>>> throughout the day, rather than going through all of that all over 
>>> again.
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, that was easy. Just checked the about  dialog box, and I'm
>>> apparently running the 32 bit version. Maybe I'll have to look at
>>> upgrading to see if that would make a difference. Hopefully wont make
>>> things even worse.
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh well.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks much,
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/26/2018 1:17 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Larry,  I do not have any ad ons so I don't have any suggestion
>>>> regarding whether it would make a difference if they are removed or
>>>> not.  One thing I have noticed when starting Thunder bird,is that it
>>>> often doesn't speak when the program is loaded but it is really there.
>>>> One way I can check this is after starting it, I wait for about three
>>>> seconds and then press the tab key and it usualy responds by saying 
>>>> "in
>>>> box.  Sorry I can't help more.  Bernie
>>>>
>>>> On 12/26/2018 1:36 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>>>>> Bernie,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just wondering if you have any issues when starting Thunderbird. 
>>>>> Here,
>>>>> it takes an eternity to go through its paces and finally settle down.
>>>>> I have been advised to remove all add-ons, but I only have one, and
>>>>> that is spellcheck, which I had removed at one time, but no
>>>>> difference. I couldn't do email if I didn't have spellchecker 
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe if I could remove all of the other features like chat,
>>>>> newsgroups  etc that might help, but I really can't figure out how to
>>>>> do that, or even if it is possible. But there are sure lots of things
>>>>> I'm sure I could do without, can't remember them all. Only need 
>>>>> T-Bird
>>>>> to read, write and send mail, nothing else.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have any ideas? If so, I'm all ears .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Larry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/26/2018 10:43 AM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Larry,  Just this morning with reluctance, I decided to update
>>>>>> Tbird
>>>>>> to version 60.  With the update installed, it is running fine on
>>>>>> windows
>>>>>> 1809 and the last version of WE.  I have no problems either 
>>>>>> reading or
>>>>>> composing messages.  I have been reading messages on this list and
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> been trying to figure out what might be causing problems for Nick 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> others.  I believe the problem might be coming from the WE
>>>>>> setfiles.  I
>>>>>> will write to Nick to see if we can figure things out.
>>>>>>
>>&g

Re: Mail Client

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Larry,  I also just checked the version of TB and like you I am 
running the 32-bit version.  So, for now, don't think that is your problem.

On 12/26/2018 4:02 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
> Well Bernie, what it does here is say inbox just fine when first 
> pressing the tab key, and if I'm lucky, it will let me tab down to the 
> contents, but soon after going there, things start to happen, (God 
> only knows what), and I have to wait from anywhere from three to five 
> minutes for things to settle down, then things are fine.
>
>
> I'm not sure if I have the 32 bit version or 64, or if that would even 
> make a difference, but it really is a pain to have to keep it open 
> throughout the day, rather than going through all of that all over again.
>
>
> OK, that was easy. Just checked the about  dialog box, and I'm 
> apparently running the 32 bit version. Maybe I'll have to look at 
> upgrading to see if that would make a difference. Hopefully wont make 
> things even worse.
>
>
> Oh well.
>
>
> Thanks much,
>
>
> Larry
>
>
>
> On 12/26/2018 1:17 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>
>> Hi Larry,  I do not have any ad ons so I don't have any suggestion
>> regarding whether it would make a difference if they are removed or
>> not.  One thing I have noticed when starting Thunder bird,is that it
>> often doesn't speak when the program is loaded but it is really there.
>> One way I can check this is after starting it, I wait for about three
>> seconds and then press the tab key and it usualy responds by saying "in
>> box.  Sorry I can't help more.  Bernie
>>
>> On 12/26/2018 1:36 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>>> Bernie,
>>>
>>>
>>> Just wondering if you have any issues when starting Thunderbird. Here,
>>> it takes an eternity to go through its paces and finally settle down.
>>> I have been advised to remove all add-ons, but I only have one, and
>>> that is spellcheck, which I had removed at one time, but no
>>> difference. I couldn't do email if I didn't have spellchecker .
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe if I could remove all of the other features like chat,
>>> newsgroups  etc that might help, but I really can't figure out how to
>>> do that, or even if it is possible. But there are sure lots of things
>>> I'm sure I could do without, can't remember them all. Only need T-Bird
>>> to read, write and send mail, nothing else.
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you have any ideas? If so, I'm all ears .
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/26/2018 10:43 AM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hi Larry,  Just this morning with reluctance, I decided to update 
>>>> Tbird
>>>> to version 60.  With the update installed, it is running fine on 
>>>> windows
>>>> 1809 and the last version of WE.  I have no problems either reading or
>>>> composing messages.  I have been reading messages on this list and 
>>>> have
>>>> been trying to figure out what might be causing problems for Nick and
>>>> others.  I believe the problem might be coming from the WE 
>>>> setfiles.  I
>>>> will write to Nick to see if we can figure things out.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/21/2018 8:20 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>>>>> It may be Nick that since I am still on 1803 that the problems just
>>>>> haven't had an opportunity to present themselves. Are you on 1809? I
>>>>> think I have those version numbers correct.  Anyway no feature update
>>>>> yet, most likely because I need to update my HD video card to a newer
>>>>> model, but I'm not certain about that either.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure hope your situation improves, and mine stays the same .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/21/2018 6:57 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>>>>>> I always assumed it was a WE issue only, but maybe Windows is a
>>>>>> component of the problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/21/2018 2:03 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>>>>>>> I sure wish I knew just what I'm doing right. I'm just afraid I'll
>>>>>>> wake
>>>>>>> up with the same issue any day now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Using Windows 10 and the final version of WE.
>>>>>>>
>&g

Re: Question About Android phone, Off Topic

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Bob, Yes, I am using an Android phone and because I got fed up with 
high cellular phone bills, I switched to the Google Fi cellular 
network.  As far as the phone goes, I was surprised how easy it was to 
learn how to use the built-in screen reader called Talkback.  In fact, 
when the annoouncement about the death of WE came out, I gave 
considerable thought about what I should do.  I considered switching to 
the other screenreader but discounted that path because I think that in 
the not too distant future technology will bring to an end such 
screenreradrs.  So, that left me where so many of us have wanted to be, 
finding and acceptable screenreader that is supported by the operating 
system creator. There are three choices:  MS narrator, Apple 
Voiceover,and Android Talkback.  I played around with voiceover but I 
was unahappy about the fact that I would have to have an Iphone and yoou 
know how expensive they have become.  So, that left Android and there 
are many phones in all price ranges that you can use.  I bought a very 
inexpensive Android Tablet with the goal in mind of learning how to use 
Talkback.  I felt that if using the touch screen was to difficult, I 
would eat the $100 cost and consider it just an experiment.  But, I was 
surprised that I quickly learned how to use the tablet with the keyboard 
first and then detaching it so as to use the touch screen.  Actually, 
Before buying the tablet,I needed a new cell phone so after reading 
about Google Fi, I decided to try it since no contract was involved.  I 
bought from Google the Nexus 5 and I have never looked back.  I coud go 
on but probably by now you have had enough.  But, if you have any other 
questions, let me know.  Bernie

On 12/26/2018 2:32 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
> Anyone using an android phone"? If so, how do you like it?
>
> Is there an Android email list? Please reply off-list as this is 
> off-topic.
>
> -Bob Ringwald
> r...@ringwald.com
>
>
>
>
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Re: Mail Client

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Larry,  I do not have any ad ons so I don't have any suggestion 
regarding whether it would make a difference if they are removed or 
not.  One thing I have noticed when starting Thunder bird,is that it 
often doesn't speak when the program is loaded but it is really there.  
One way I can check this is after starting it, I wait for about three 
seconds and then press the tab key and it usualy responds by saying "in 
box.  Sorry I can't help more.  Bernie

On 12/26/2018 1:36 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
> Bernie,
>
>
> Just wondering if you have any issues when starting Thunderbird. Here, 
> it takes an eternity to go through its paces and finally settle down. 
> I have been advised to remove all add-ons, but I only have one, and 
> that is spellcheck, which I had removed at one time, but no 
> difference. I couldn't do email if I didn't have spellchecker .
>
>
> Maybe if I could remove all of the other features like chat, 
> newsgroups  etc that might help, but I really can't figure out how to 
> do that, or even if it is possible. But there are sure lots of things 
> I'm sure I could do without, can't remember them all. Only need T-Bird 
> to read, write and send mail, nothing else.
>
>
> Do you have any ideas? If so, I'm all ears .
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Larry
>
>
> On 12/26/2018 10:43 AM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Larry,  Just this morning with reluctance, I decided to update Tbird
>> to version 60.  With the update installed, it is running fine on windows
>> 1809 and the last version of WE.  I have no problems either reading or
>> composing messages.  I have been reading messages on this list and have
>> been trying to figure out what might be causing problems for Nick and
>> others.  I believe the problem might be coming from the WE setfiles.  I
>> will write to Nick to see if we can figure things out.
>>
>> On 12/21/2018 8:20 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>>> It may be Nick that since I am still on 1803 that the problems just
>>> haven't had an opportunity to present themselves. Are you on 1809? I
>>> think I have those version numbers correct.  Anyway no feature update
>>> yet, most likely because I need to update my HD video card to a newer
>>> model, but I'm not certain about that either.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure hope your situation improves, and mine stays the same .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/21/2018 6:57 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>>>> I always assumed it was a WE issue only, but maybe Windows is a
>>>> component of the problem?
>>>>
>>>> On 12/21/2018 2:03 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>>>>> I sure wish I knew just what I'm doing right. I'm just afraid I'll
>>>>> wake
>>>>> up with the same issue any day now.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Using Windows 10 and the final version of WE.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/21/2018 12:33 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>>>>>> I'm using Windows-8 and have exactly the same issues. I can't 
>>>>>> read my
>>>>>> saved drafts either. As you would expect, I can read sent messages.
>>>>>> Woah
>>>>>> is I.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/21/2018 8:16 AM, David via Talk wrote:
>>>>>>> Nice try, but in Thunderbird, even when writing this reply, it
>>>>>>> does give
>>>>>>> no result. That is, Ctrl-Insert-C, tells me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      No Cursor Found.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can write the message, and the speech will echo my typing. If i
>>>>>>> Backspace, I can hear one character at a time, as they are
>>>>>>> deleted. But
>>>>>>> any use of the Arrows, or things like Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-End - 
>>>>>>> yields no
>>>>>>> speech at all. That is even if the cursor actually moves. Have
>>>>>>> tried the
>>>>>>> Ctrl-S, for saving the message - like someone suggested. No help
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Strange why some reports they have no trouble with the newest
>>>>>>> Thunderbird. Unless it has to do with the fact that I am still
>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>> under Win7, and likely will be for yet a while.
>>>>>>>

Re: Mail Client

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Larry,  Just this morning with reluctance, I decided to update Tbird 
to version 60.  With the update installed, it is running fine on windows 
1809 and the last version of WE.  I have no problems either reading or 
composing messages.  I have been reading messages on this list and have 
been trying to figure out what might be causing problems for Nick and 
others.  I believe the problem might be coming from the WE setfiles.  I 
will write to Nick to see if we can figure things out.

On 12/21/2018 8:20 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
> It may be Nick that since I am still on 1803 that the problems just 
> haven't had an opportunity to present themselves. Are you on 1809? I 
> think I have those version numbers correct.  Anyway no feature update 
> yet, most likely because I need to update my HD video card to a newer 
> model, but I'm not certain about that either.
>
>
> Sure hope your situation improves, and mine stays the same .
>
>
>
>
> On 12/21/2018 6:57 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> I always assumed it was a WE issue only, but maybe Windows is a
>> component of the problem?
>>
>> On 12/21/2018 2:03 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>>> I sure wish I knew just what I'm doing right. I'm just afraid I'll  
>>> wake
>>> up with the same issue any day now.
>>>
>>>
>>> Using Windows 10 and the final version of WE.
>>>
>>> On 12/21/2018 12:33 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
 I'm using Windows-8 and have exactly the same issues. I can't read my
 saved drafts either. As you would expect, I can read sent messages. 
 Woah
 is I.

 On 12/21/2018 8:16 AM, David via Talk wrote:
> Nice try, but in Thunderbird, even when writing this reply, it 
> does give
> no result. That is, Ctrl-Insert-C, tells me:
>
>         No Cursor Found.
>
>
> I can write the message, and the speech will echo my typing. If i
> Backspace, I can hear one character at a time, as they are 
> deleted. But
> any use of the Arrows, or things like Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-End - yields no
> speech at all. That is even if the cursor actually moves. Have 
> tried the
> Ctrl-S, for saving the message - like someone suggested. No help 
> there
> either.
>
>
> Strange why some reports they have no trouble with the newest
> Thunderbird. Unless it has to do with the fact that I am still 
> running
> under Win7, and likely will be for yet a while.
>
>
>
> David
>
> On 12/21/2018 1:34 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>> Another thing you can try is Control+Insert+C. This makes 
>> Window-Eyes
>> search for the cursor. It will usually say either "uses system 
>> cursor"
>> or "no cursor found."
>> Regards,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 12/21/2018 4:19 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>>> Thanks Bob, yeah, similar issues - fortunately my Thunderbird 
>>> contains
>>> spell check (I thinkit's Thunderbird which provides the spell
>>> check, but
>>> who knows). What stinks is, if I leave the composing window, I 
>>> won't
>>> know where I am in the e-mail. I have to assume the cursor is 
>>> where I
>>> left it.
>>>
>>> On 12/20/2018 9:38 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
 Nick,

 I am using windows 10, win-eyes 9.5.4., and WLM. The same thing 
 has
 been
 happening to me. It didn't used to do this. It started happening
 all of
 a sudden for no apparent reason.

 If I bring up WLM, I can write an email and see what I am writing.
 after
 that, while writing the 2nd email, I can't see or hear what I am
 writing.

 I have to close WLM and thenn open it. Then I can see what I am
 writing.
 But again, only the first email. Then have to close and re-open 
 WLM
 again.

 -Bob


 -Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 5:44 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Nick Sarames
 Subject: Re: Mail Client

 If anyone has a solution to the arrow problem I have, you are
 welcome to
 e-mail me privately:

 nicksara...@msn.com

 When I am composing a message, I am unable to read what I have 
 just
 written.

 On 12/20/2018 9:01 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
> I'm not sure just how much I've ultimately got to add here, but I
> must
> at least say this.
>
>
> My version of Thunderbird updated on me without either 
> permission or
> encouragement. Naturally I did a double-take and hoped and prayed
> that
> my ability to edit would continue, and with my good luck or 
> divine
> intervention, it continued to 

Re: Browse Mode In Chrome

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi, I agree that chrome.set should be automatically associated. However, 
I have found an anomaly with WE in that often on initiation of a new 
program, We seems to lag behind in the set file association.  I think 
that every time I start chrome or Thunderbird,if I check the associated 
file, it is WE.set.  If I switch focus to the desktop and back, then the 
chrome.set or thunderbird.set file will be associated.  So, try a little 
experimentation and check the file association immediately after 
starting Chrome.  I use Chrome with win 10.


On 11/19/2018 7:04 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> chrome.set should automatically be associated.
>
> On 11/19/2018 5:52 PM, Tom via Talk wrote:
>> Which set file do you have associated with Chrome?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> ** Your Message **
>>  >It works in Windows 10. So I assume it will in 7. Although
>>  >it can be a bit quirky at times.
>>  >Hth,
>>  >Tom
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >On 11/19/2018 4:08 PM, Tom via Talk wrote:
>>  >> Does browse mode work in Google Chrome and Windows Seven?
>>  >>
>>  >> Thanks,
>>  >>
>>  >> Tom
>>
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Re: Problems navigating websites

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Jannet

I am running win 10 version 1709 and have been using the Chrome browser 
for about two years.  I switched to Chrome because I was having so many 
problems with IE and MS has now sealed the fate of it.  I generally have 
no problems with Chrome but on some occasions, We has stopped talking.  
When that happens, I use windows key d to focus on the desktop and then 
alt tab to go back to the window that Chrome has displayed.  that brings 
back speech.


On 2/2/2018 11:26 PM, Janet Brandly via Talk wrote:
> Hi Rod,
> Thank you for putting up this link. You're definitely a great source 
> for all things Window-Eyes related.
> Janet
>
> -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
> Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 9:02 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Rod Hutton
> Subject: FW: Problems navigating websites
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> The link to the ESR version of Firefox which I placed in my DropBox 
> pointed to the wrong version, not the U.S. English version.
> Therefore, anyone who downloaded the file from my DropBox within the 
> last half and hour should redownload it, since I have replaced it with 
> the correct one.
>
> Sorry, and all the best,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:35 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Rod Hutton
> Subject: RE: Problems navigating websites
>
> Hi Janet,
>
> I understand, and yet it is common knowledge in the AT community that 
> the ESR version (extended service release) of Firefox is accessible.
> You can download it from my DropBox here:
>
> http://bit.ly/2nEnoor
>
> Some people recommend uninstalling your current version of Firefox 
> before installing it, and yet I have yet to have a problem (and I have 
> done it several times) installing it right over the current version.
> It will automatically make your bookmarks and settings available.
>
> Best,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Janet Brandly via Talk
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 3:29 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Janet Brandly
> Subject: Re: Problems navigating websites
>
> Hi Rod,
> Sorry for the lack of clarity. I'm using Windows 10 with Chrome as my
> browser. It was my understanding that Firefox wasn't accessible with WE?
> Janet
>
> -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
> Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 1:04 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Rod Hutton
> Subject: RE: Problems navigating websites
>
> Hi Janet,
>
> I'm not sure what W10 Chrhome is and by the Chrome app I assume you 
> mean the
> Chrome browser?
> I do all browsing with Firefox 52.6 ESR and the current Window-Eyes 
> and am
> having no problems.
>
> Best,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf
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> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 2:54 PM
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> Cc: Janet Brandly
> Subject: Problems navigating websites
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I’m having a lot of trouble nagivating websites with W10, Chrome, and the
> latest WE with the Chrome app. I’ll start reading something, and WE will
> just stop reading or it becomes very slow-nearly nonresponsive. Does 
> anyone
> out there have any suggestions of things to try or change to improve 
> this?
> perhaps I’d be better off with another screen reader? I’d really 
> rather not
> use JAWS as I’m not doing anything very complicated any more and wouldn’t
> use most of its features.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts,
>
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Re: McAfee

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Rod and Tom,  I have been having a nastey software issue with my 
computer and have been trying for almost a month to resolve it.  At 
first I thought it was a virus but after repeatyedly running Eset Anti 
virus, SFC, and windows defender in full scan and off line modes, I 
still had the problem.  So, I eventually bit the bullet and reset my 
computer which is a Toshiba Laptop with win 10.  After windows was 
reinstalled, I discovered that Mcafee antivirus also had been 
installed.  It was making llife very difficult.  I remember once before 
asking MS disability desk to help remove it because it can not be 
uninstalled using programs and features  remove program.  You need to 
use a tool from the Mcafee site.  So, tom, if you ever have to remove 
Mcafee again the name of the tool is Mcprt.exe.

For those of you might be interested,  I think the issue with my laptop 
is that there is some veryt malicious software on it and I am now 
leading to believe that it might be a rootkit.  the problem shows itself 
by the mouse moving on its own, I.e. movement is not caused by me either 
with the mouse keys on the keyboard or the touchpad.

B


On 1/4/2018 8:51 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> I can’t quite remember what you had said about your problem, but I’m a little 
> concerned that you deleted data folders from your machine.
> My guess is that you should have uninstalled the software.
>
> Best,
>
> Rod
>
> On 2018-01-03, 10:34 PM, "Talk on behalf of Tom Fairhurst via Talk" 
>  talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
>  I solved my problem. Aparently, Mcfee invaded my computer on December 
> 15, 2017. I don’t know exactly hw. I found two folders in my programData and 
> programFiles86 directories with that date on them. I removed the folders. 
> Perhaps it came along with a download of another program of which I was not 
> aware. Thanks.
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Re: Program to reset (if necessary( the Windows screen reader flag.

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Olusegun,  Well, I can understand your point of view, but for me, I 
think I have now crossed the point of no return.  I am so amazed at how 
good I am finding Talkback on Android.  I have had almost no problems 
with it on my phone.  And, unlike the possibility of moving to Jaws, I 
have found the learning curve to be easily managed.  So, while I hope 
that somehow, for those who might need it, WE can continue to live a bit 
longer, but unless there are many volunteers to support such an effort, 
I believe it will be difficult to keep up with the evolving software 
advances and that is where I think Apple and google have a real advantage. B


On 11/22/2017 8:02 AM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
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> Tom, if you resurrect Window-Eyes, I'll pull back my plans for ditching
> Windows.  Why?  Because you'll save me from nagging headaches for which I
> keep refusing to gulp ibuprofen, 
>
> Sincerely,
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Re: We certificates

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Kevin,  thanks for your note.  It has been two years since I began 
using We for office and I just couldn't remember whether or not one 
needed an authorizaation file.  So, your answer is helpful.  I 
originally asked the question because I have been having lots of 
problems with my system and I am trying to determine whether WE is due 
whole or in part to those problems.  I seem to be having an issue where 
we just stops talking and then the computer reboots.  I have begunf to 
think that some piece of hardware on my system might be intermittantly 
causing some of the problems I am having.B


On 11/14/2017 4:24 PM, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote:
> Hi Bernie:
>
> OK.  I will make another attempt at answering your question as I was
> not quite awake the first time.
> If you have a valid license for Microsoft Office version 10 or higher, you can
> run Window-eyes for Office and it will work perfectly. If it does not
> find a valid license, it will run in Demo mode.
>
> You can find all the information on www.windoweyesforoffice.com.
>
> Kevin Huber
>
>
> On 11/14/17, Kevin Huber <huber.kev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi  Bernie:
>>
>> bAs for your question about Microsoft Office, If you have a valid
>> license for Microsoft Office 10 or above, all you need to do is to
>> start Windoweyesforoffice and if it doesn't find yourMicrosoft Office
>> license, it will just run in demo mode.
>>
>> You can get the information at www.windoweyesforoffice.com and you can
>> get all the information from there
>>
>> On 11/12/17, Bernie Perella via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>> HI, Thanks for your note.  I did, in fact, purchase the acapella voices
>>> but I think they sent the wrong authorization.  I have two copies of WE,
>>> one on an older system 9.0 on a Vista system.  the other is We for
>>> office now running on Windows 10 version 17 09.  I am not sure but I
>>> seem to remember that when you got WE for office, you had to download an
>>> authorization so they would know you had purchased Office from MS.  Am I
>>> wrong about that?  Thanks, B
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/12/2017 7:17 PM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:
>>>> Not sure what authorizations you are talking about, if it is for
>>>> voices
>>>> you purchased for the paid version of WE 9.54, you need to request a
>>>> download link from AISquared that would include any paid versions of
>>>> voices you purchased. They were still giving these links a while back,
>>>> but
>>>> don't know how long they might continue doing so.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 11/7/2017 2:36 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>>>> >>> HI, I have a couple of authorization files that I had gotten from
>>>> Gw
>>>> >>> before they went belly up. However, none of these authorization
>>>> files
>>>> >>> will run and they give the error that they are blocked by an
>>>> >>> administrator. Is there any way to get these authorization files
>>>> with
>>>> >>> the new certificate? thanks. B
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Re: We certificates

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

HI, Thanks for your note.  I did, in fact, purchase the acapella voices 
but I think they sent the wrong authorization.  I have two copies of WE, 
one on an older system 9.0 on a Vista system.  the other is We for 
office now running on Windows 10 version 17 09.  I am not sure but I 
seem to remember that when you got WE for office, you had to download an 
authorization so they would know you had purchased Office from MS.  Am I 
wrong about that?  Thanks, B


On 11/12/2017 7:17 PM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:
>Not sure what authorizations you are talking about, if it is for voices 
> you purchased for the paid version of WE 9.54, you need to request a download 
> link from AISquared that would include any paid versions of voices you 
> purchased. They were still giving these links a while back, but don't know 
> how long they might continue doing so.
>>>
>    >> On 11/7/2017 2:36 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>>>> HI, I have a couple of authorization files that I had gotten from Gw
>>>> before they went belly up. However, none of these authorization files
>>>> will run and they give the error that they are blocked by an
>>>> administrator. Is there any way to get these authorization files with
>>>> the new certificate? thanks. B
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Re: We certificates

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Tom,  thanks for those two tips and I do apologize for taking so long 
to get back to you.  I did try both suggestions but no luck with either 
of them.  I don't know why, but one of the files was blocked but not the 
other.  So, for now, I am out of ideas.  B


On 11/7/2017 2:59 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> I would first open the context menu on the file and make sure it's not 
> blocked under the general tab. You can unblock them.
> If they're not blocked I would try opening the context menu again and 
> use the Run as administrator option.
> Hth,
> Tom
>
>
> On 11/7/2017 2:36 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>> HI, I have a couple of authorization files that I had gotten from Gw
>> before they went belly up.  However, none of these authorization files
>> will run and they give the error that they are blocked by an
>> administrator.  Is there any way to get these authorization files with
>> the new certificate?  thanks.  B
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Re: Using add/remove with WE

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Larry,  I have used add/remove and found that I go down the list of 
programs and when I get to the one I wish to uninstall

  I right click and the uninstall option is there.
On 11/7/2017 7:02 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
> I sure hope some of you have found a reasonably good way to use the 
> add/remove in Windows 10 with Window-Eyes. So far, every time I try to 
> highlight a program, then go take a look at the options, my 
> highlighter ends up at a place way down the list. This can be a bit 
> disconcerting to say the least.
>
>
> If anyone could pleas give me some helpful pointers, it would be 
> greatly appreciated. Even tell me if it is doable with NVDA, that 
> might help. Just haven't gone there yet.
>
>
> Thanks,
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> Larry
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We certificates

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

HI, I have a couple of authorization files that I had gotten from Gw 
before they went belly up.  However, none of these authorization files 
will run and they give the error that they are blocked by an 
administrator.  Is there any way to get these authorization files with 
the new certificate?  thanks.  B

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Question about WE

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi to those on the list,  I have been having an issue with my computeer 
and am trying to determine if it is being caused by WE. Afgter using WE 
for some period of time, my computer goes silent. Recently, I have 
worked with the MS disability desk and have completely reinstalled 
windows version 17-09.  I am wondering if the copy of We that I am 
running might be a demo version rather than the one for which I have 
paid, We for office.  I thought that for that version, one had first to 
install an authorization file which I did before all the trouble began.  
Since the whole new installation, I did not run the authorization file 
and We seems to run ok for a while and then stops.  Can anyone help?  
Thanks in advance.  B

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Re: IE or fx

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi, About a week ago, you posted that you had to reinstall WE, but that 
you only had an installation for WE 9.0.  Have you been able to get WE 
9.5.4 installed?  B


On 10/28/2017 10:45 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
>  I am still having navigational issues with IE or FX. Window eyes has 
> the same problem that started a few weeks ago in FX 56.x where we lost 
> navigational keys. Uninstalled FX 56.x and installed FX 52.4 and have 
> the same problem with window eyes.
>  I installed Jaws 2018 When i hit insert   f-function key 7 for a list 
> of links, I hear "feature only available in  virtual document. Using 
> firefox, or IE jaws 2018. Tried hitting escape key, no change, no 
> navigational  keys work other than tab key. Whats going on?  By the 
> way, NVDA works fine with my limited knowledge of NVDA. Using all 
> current screen reader versions, window 10 fall edition. Any advice 
> will be welcomed. Thanks
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question

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi,  Is the original GW window-eyes list still active?  I am no longer 
receiving messages from it.  thanks, B

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Re: Thunderbird help

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

HI, Thanks for that link.  A very good and short article.  I missed that 
one.Bernie


On 10/23/2017 9:59 PM, loy via Talk wrote:
> Here is a link to your answer about contacts.
>
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_address_books_between_profiles
>
>
> On 10/23/2017 9:33 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>> Bernie,
>> I don't know what file or files the contacts are in. But all I do is 
>> backup the following folder on a regular basis so I'll have it when I 
>> need it. For example, I just got a new system a few weeks ago, 
>> installed TB, renamed the default Thunderbird folder to 
>> Thunderbird.bak just in case, and then replaced it with the backup.
>> C:\Users\Tom Kingston\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird
>> I've done this several times and it always works perfectly.
>> Good luck,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 10/23/2017 1:36 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi, Recently, having done a complete windows repair, I have had to
>>> reinstall several apps including TB.  I have been able to restore 
>>> all of
>>> my local folders from a windows backup.  However, I can't seem to find
>>> the file where TB contacts are stored.  Does anyone know wich file that
>>> is?  thanks, Bernie
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Re: Thunderbird help

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Tom,  Thanks for your note.  I guess I should have thought to replace 
the entire TB folder but I didn't.  When I reinstalled TB after windows 
repair, both contact and local folders were missing.  I had previously 
used windows backup to save everything on my system.  I noted that after 
reinstalling TB, the identity had changed and I wasn't sure if there 
were an association between messages and the former identity.  But, 
using the backup, I restored the local folders and all local folders 
were in order. For the record, I di find the contacts file, it is 
history.mab and is in the TB folder.  So, again, thanks for your help. 
Bernie



On 10/23/2017 9:33 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> Bernie,
> I don't know what file or files the contacts are in. But all I do is 
> backup the following folder on a regular basis so I'll have it when I 
> need it. For example, I just got a new system a few weeks ago, 
> installed TB, renamed the default Thunderbird folder to 
> Thunderbird.bak just in case, and then replaced it with the backup.
> C:\Users\Tom Kingston\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird
> I've done this several times and it always works perfectly.
> Good luck,
> Tom
>
>
> On 10/23/2017 1:36 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>> Hi, Recently, having done a complete windows repair, I have had to
>> reinstall several apps including TB.  I have been able to restore all of
>> my local folders from a windows backup.  However, I can't seem to find
>> the file where TB contacts are stored.  Does anyone know wich file that
>> is?  thanks, Bernie
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Thunderbird help

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi, Recently, having done a complete windows repair, I have had to 
reinstall several apps including TB.  I have been able to restore all of 
my local folders from a windows backup.  However, I can't seem to find 
the file where TB contacts are stored.  Does anyone know wich file that 
is?  thanks, Bernie

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Thanks and a couple of questions

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi everyone.  I just want to thank all of you who offered suggestions 
for solving my problem of getting We back up and running on my Toshiba 
laptop.  The suggestions were appreciated and led to my getting We 9.5.4 
for office up and running again.  I also want to thank all of those who 
have set up this list to protect We users from potentially damaging 
shutdown of the original WE list.  Users on this list are really good 
and have lots of experience to help others.  My laptop is now running 
quite well.  For the record, I also got lots of help from the MS 
accessibility desk.  In the end, with their help, I did a Windows repair 
and then had to reinstall a number of apps including WE. Just this 
evening, I called the Ms accessibility desk again because after 
repairing Windows, I discovered that Mcafee anti virus was now on my 
machine.  What a mess that product is for those who cannot see.  It was 
really dragging down my system.  I tried uninstalling it from the 
add/remove programs panel but immediately ran into a window that neither 
WE or Narrator would read.  So, the Ms desk did it for me and now, guess 
what, the machine is humming along just fine.

Now for a couple of questions.  When I reinstalled Thunderbird, I got 
most of the settings back to where they were but I also remember that 
there were a couple of things that had to be changed using the TB config 
utility.  Does anyone remember what thosechanges were?  Also, after 
reinstalling TB, I discovered that my mailboes on both outlook.com and 
gmail.com were still there. However, I had many messages in local 
folders, and in fact, I am sure I had the messages describing the TB 
changes I am asking about.  Those local folders are gone.  However, 
before doing the windows repair, I did a backup.  So, if I can find the 
folders on the backed up data,  is there a way to bring them and the 
messages back into TB?

Sorry for such a long email and thanks for any help any of you can 
offer.  Bernie

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Re: help and info

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Larry,  Actually, I had been running WE for office and each of the 
download files I still have were for We for office.  I am not sure how 
to get the WE for office complete install.  However, thanks to those on 
this list, I diduse the We control panel and asked to check for 
updates.  Sure enough I got the message that WE 9.5.4 was available and 
so I have just installed it.  Strange thing, though, I can't find the 
download in my downloads folder. Anyone on this list have an idea where 
the download file might be hiding.


On 10/17/2017 10:09 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
> Bernie, Have you considered downloading the WE for Office program, and 
> just starting over, more or less? That might give you a new lease on 
> life, as it pertains to Window-Eyes anyway.
>
>
> Just a thought,
>
>
> Larry
>
>
> On 10/17/2017 8:54 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Bernie,
>>
>> Some time back, even those of us who had a full install of 9.5.4 had 
>> to upgrae to a new version with the same number due to the fact that 
>> the software certificate had expired.
>> I assume that your version of 9.2 would have the same certificate and 
>> so this would explain the error message.
>> At this point, your best solution is to move to NVDA, just as I have 
>> when Window-Eyes doesn't work for me.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>> Sent: October 17, 2017 4:33 PM
>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Cc: Bernie Perella <bernie.pere...@outlook.com>
>> Subject: help and info
>>
>> Hi,  I have a Toshiba Satellite 2 in 1 laptop running the latest version
>> of Windows and WE 9.5.4.  Sometime ago, my system began to be more
>> unstable and I was having a number of issues with WE. After researching
>> the issue, I concluded that my computer had a virus or a piece of
>> malfunctioning hardware.  After exhausting as many possible solutions
>> that I knew, I finally did a Windows reset during which many apps,
>> including WE were uninstalled.  After the reset, I tried using the
>> downloaded file for WE 9.2 but when I tried to eecute it, I got an error
>> indicating that the certificate was blocked by an administrator.  I have
>> an admin account on my system so I am not sure who the administrator
>> would be.  In the meantime, I used Narrator only to discover that things
>> hadn't improved very much.  I contacted the MS disabilities desk and
>> after much discussion, they advised that I do a windows repair. they
>> helped me through the process.  Before doing it, the MS rep attempted to
>> install the We 9.2 and even though the same error occurred, WE 9.2  did
>> install.  After the repair, when WE 9.2 starts, I get a hooking error
>> and the error window isn't easy to close.  I remember that this hooking
>> error issue was discussed but since I haven't yet restored my back
>> emails, I am asking for help with it and with the certificate problem.
>> Like many on here, I realize that the other company isn't helping very
>> much so thought I would tap the knowledge base on this list. Thanks in
>> advance. BP
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Re: help and info

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Alusegun,

Thanks for your note.  I have a

ready tried that as well.  No luck.  Two other things.  First, do you 
remember when We users had to install an authorization file before 
running We.  If I am not mistaken, that started with WE version 9 but I 
am not sure.  I have the authorization downloads on my system but when 
attempting to run them, I get the same certificate blocked error.  As of 
now, We is running but in the past hour or so, I have encountered a WE 
error every time I try to do a search using the seartch bar in Chrome.  
And, second, speaking of chrome,  I sent you a note a couple of months 
ago indicating that, I like you, am gifving Android a try.  I have both 
an Android phone and tablet and am making really good progress.  If 
things continue to go well, I will commit to it fully and will not go to 
that other windows screen readere.  I wondered how you are doing.  Bernie
On 10/17/2017 5:33 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
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> Hi Bernie:
>
> I'm no expert, but may be this might help.  How about running the install as
> an administrator?  To do this, find the executable file of the app in
> question, in this case, Window-Eyes.  When it gets focus, don't press the
>  yet to begin the install.  Instead, press the applications key,
> arrow down to locate Run as Administrator and press .  Now begin the
> installation process.
>
> The above has worked for me using Windows7.  I hope it carries over to
> Windows10.
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
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Re: help and info

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi,  I previously, I had WE 9.5.4 on the system but the download for 
that version was only an upgrade installation and not a complete 
installation.  So, I had to use a version that had the full install.  I 
have already tried to use that 9.5.4 upgrade installeer and got the same 
certificate blocked error.  Can one still get a full install of 9.5.4?


On 10/17/2017 4:58 PM, loy via Talk wrote:
> You need to install WE 9.5.4.
>
>
> On 10/17/2017 4:32 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>> Hi,  I have a Toshiba Satellite 2 in 1 laptop running the latest version
>> of Windows and WE 9.5.4.  Sometime ago, my system began to be more
>> unstable and I was having a number of issues with WE. After researching
>> the issue, I concluded that my computer had a virus or a piece of
>> malfunctioning hardware.  After exhausting as many possible solutions
>> that I knew, I finally did a Windows reset during which many apps,
>> including WE were uninstalled.  After the reset, I tried using the
>> downloaded file for WE 9.2 but when I tried to eecute it, I got an error
>> indicating that the certificate was blocked by an administrator.  I have
>> an admin account on my system so I am not sure who the administrator
>> would be.  In the meantime, I used Narrator only to discover that things
>> hadn't improved very much.  I contacted the MS disabilities desk and
>> after much discussion, they advised that I do a windows repair. they
>> helped me through the process.  Before doing it, the MS rep attempted to
>> install the We 9.2 and even though the same error occurred, WE 9.2  did
>> install.  After the repair, when WE 9.2 starts, I get a hooking error
>> and the error window isn't easy to close.  I remember that this hooking
>> error issue was discussed but since I haven't yet restored my back
>> emails, I am asking for help with it and with the certificate problem.
>> Like many on here, I realize that the other company isn't helping very
>> much so thought I would tap the knowledge base on this list. Thanks in
>> advance. BP
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help and info

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi,  I have a Toshiba Satellite 2 in 1 laptop running the latest version 
of Windows and WE 9.5.4.  Sometime ago, my system began to be more 
unstable and I was having a number of issues with WE. After researching 
the issue, I concluded that my computer had a virus or a piece of 
malfunctioning hardware.  After exhausting as many possible solutions 
that I knew, I finally did a Windows reset during which many apps, 
including WE were uninstalled.  After the reset, I tried using  the 
downloaded file for WE 9.2 but when I tried to eecute it, I got an error 
indicating that the certificate was blocked by an administrator.  I have 
an admin account on my system so I am not sure who the administrator 
would be.  In the meantime, I used Narrator only to discover that things 
hadn't improved very much.  I contacted the MS disabilities desk and 
after much discussion, they advised that I do a windows repair. they 
helped me through the process.  Before doing it, the MS rep attempted to 
install the We 9.2 and even though the same error occurred, WE 9.2  did 
install.  After the repair, when WE 9.2 starts, I get a hooking error 
and the error window isn't easy to close.  I remember that this hooking 
error issue was discussed but since I haven't yet restored my back 
emails, I am asking for help with it and with the certificate problem.  
Like many on here, I realize that the other company isn't helping very 
much so thought I would tap the knowledge base on this list.  Thanks in 
advance. BP

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Re: longshot

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Olusegun,  I usually don't join in on this list but I read your post 
with interest.  I never expressed any view on the downfall of WE but as 
I observed what was going on, I had a strong feeling that WE was no 
longer going to be a viable tool for those of us without vision.  Having 
worked in the tech field for 3 decages, and having been a user of WE for 
2 of them, I realized that the rapidly changing tech world and the 
internet, was making it very difficult for software created in an 
earlier era to survive.  In its attempt to keep up with these changing 
technologies,  we could observe the difficulties being encountered by We 
with such things as MSAA and aria and dynamic webb pages,  as well as 
the frustrations of users who were trying to use many new software 
products.  In my humble opinion, I think that the alternative windows 
screen reader, born in the same era as WE and probably incumbered with 
the same deep rooots in the older technology, will ultimately fall 
victum to the same fate.  We shouldn't be surprised, though, just look 
at MS for an example and note how they had to bite the bullet and purge 
many of the long time developers of Windows so they could begin the 
process of remaking it to cope better with the new technology.  Also 
note they have put to death IE and other products.
Now that brings me to the point where I, like you, have to decide on 
what to do.  Because of my feeling that the other screen reader will not 
survive in the long run, I spent some time pondering the alternatives. 
Hearing the echoes of many postings on this expressed by users pleading 
that what we want is for manufacturers of operating systems to include 
native screen readers into their systems, I considered the three 
currently prominent alternatives:  Narrator, Voiceover, and Talkback. 
About five months ago, I needed a new cell phone and I considered 
several options.  I finally decided to purchase the Google Android Nexus 
5 and to move from Verizon cell service to Google FI, primarily because 
was so much less expensive for me.  I was a bit uncertain as to how long 
it would take to climb the learning curve of Android and of using a 
touch device.  I was amazed that within only a few hours, spread over a 
couple of days, that I had become quite proficient with both the device 
and with the OS.  So, now when we all know that we have to find a new 
forward with screen readers,  I have decided to do some experimenting 
and have decided to roll the dice with Android.  So, just in the past 
day, I have pruchased new very low cost Android Tablet.  For the money, 
I am very impressed.  Having used the Android phone,I had no difficulty 
finding my way on the tablet.  I have more work to do but I am confident 
that it will go well.  In order to move completely off of Windows, I 
will have to determine if the Google apps for the MS office equivalents, 
are accessible.  On my phone, I have given a first look at the Docs app 
anbd it does appear usable.My new tablet has a detachable keyboard so 
when I need to be a power data inputer,  it will help.  I also no that 
Android Talkback does have many keyboard shortcuts which is something 
that we all like.  With that said, I am quite comfortable with using the 
touch screen for many of the things I do.  And, now you know that like 
you I have chosen to ultimately move to the Android eco system. 
However, I also plan to take a closeer look at Voiceover on the Mac. 
For me, the one big drawback is the limited number of devices from which 
to choose and they are all quite expensive.  Finally, if you think I can 
be of any help to you with your Android experience, let me know.

On 7/15/2017 8:51 AM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
wrote:
> Butch, you didn't break any confidence when you discussed the death of
> Window-Eyes long before the fan base saw the handwriting on the wall!  You
> know what it is with the blind:  Denial!  It's a good pain killer pill and
> only the brave refuse to take it.
> 
> Even when Sis Reeva posted Tweeter notes that finally announced
> Window-Eyes's obituary, she was hounded and, if she had been Jesus, she
> shall have been crucified on the cross of false pretense even when the proof
> of the eating was already in the pudding!
> 
> Sadly, the truth hardly ever make blind folks free; rather, it keeps most of
> us in solitary confinements!  It was easy to know that Window-Eyes was
> comatose and dying!  The disappearances of those who were regular helpers on
> the list was a good telltale sign that something was terribly wrong upstairs
> in GW Micro land!  When the merger with AI Squared was announced, I was
> miffed beyond proportions.  I knew that the lightning had stricken and the
> wildfire season for Window-Eyes was real.  Anyway, you and I and many others
> who saw the London bridge falling down can find solace in the truth we stood
> for long before the world knew it.
> 
> Ok, back to my regularly scheduled 

Re: Window-Eyes and Windows 10 Creator Edition

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi, On my win 10 Toshiba laptop, the launch narrator key is just windows 
enter without the shift key.

On 4/8/2017 11:30 AM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote:
> Hi. Narrator's launch command was changed a few builds back; it's now 
> control-windows-enter. Try it and report back if you still can't launch it.
> Orlando Enrique Fiol
> Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
> University of Pennsylvania
> Professional Pianist\/Keyboardist, Percussionist and Pedagogue
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Re: making the switch

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi, about a month ago, I purchased a new android phone and began using 
talkback on the touch screen.  I found it very easy to get started and 
in about two or three days I was quite proficient with it and felt 
confortable with the use of a touch screen.  I haven't yet downloaded 
many apps but do plan to do so in the near future.  Talkback is very 
responsive and the built in voice is very good.  I do plan to add the 
Eloquence voices soon.  The apps that were preinstalled on the phone are 
very easy to use.  Compared to the Iphone, which uses multi-finger 
jestures, talkback only uses a single finger jestyure.  The few 
multi-finger jestures that I do use are for Android rather than for 
Talkback.  For those on this list who have been asking about the 
on-screen keyboards, they are quite easy to use and one thing I really 
like is that there is an on-screen key to change from a standard 
keyboard to a symbol or emogi keyboard.  Very nice.  So, while I won't 
suggest that an  Android option is the best, I have had not regrets and 
would urge anyone who is thinking of switching to take a llook at it. 
In fact, I am probably going to purchase an android tablet in the near 
future.

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wrote:
> Russ, even if Voice Dream Reader DOES NOT do all you wish for, the Android
> platform has so many apps that are either free or inexpensive that will fit
> the bill!  That, I believe, is what sets Android apart in so many ways!  For
> example, I have a PDF-TO-SPEECH app that will read PDF formatted documents
> and files!  For EPub books, I use Google Playbooks and it is accessible.  I
> use the Kindle app to read Kindle books.  I don't have bookshare, but I
> guarantee you that if I download a book from bookshare as an MP3 formatted
> file or even text, I shall be able to read it with no problems.
>
> With respect to the Amazon Fire, please note that it is NOT A PURE Android
> tablet.  Amazon, like all other manufacturers/developers who are Android
> enthusiasts, has added its own bells and whistles.  The Amazon Fire DOES NOT
> come with Talkback preinstalled; however, it has Voice Views!  Google Play
> Services will need to be installed on the Amazon Fire before you can install
> Talkback.
>
> Before you buy though, if you live close to a computer store such as
> BestBuy, please take a trip there and play with the Fire!  Also, please
> understand that Android and iOS are vastly different in terms of
> accessibility.  On Android, multiple finger taps are "truly" not there; Two
> finger taps are not very common, a single finger tap for the most part will
> launch an app if you set things correctly.  Yes, you can swipe left or
> right, but this does not have to be done all the time.  Learning Android
> will require a good dose of patience, but I am certain you'll do well at
> that.  All in all, Android is fun; its openness and the vast array of
> choices are what has attracted me to it!
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
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Re: A time to have another look at Google Chrome

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

On 3/12/2017 4:43 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

What is the keyboard command to get to book marks?
Hi, Try control shift o   That opens the bookmarks manager.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 9:20 AM
To: Mike Rogers; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: A time to have another look at Google Chrome

Is there a way to easily get to the bookmarks with chrome?  The only way I
know how to do it is hit the alt key then arrow down to bookmarks which is
not as easy as pulling up the favorites in IE.

On 3/12/2017 8:10 AM, Mike Rogers via Talk wrote:

t's very interesting.  Guess I'll check out Chrome I also started
using an android and like Talk Back.  I did download a talking caller I.d.

and it caused many problems with Talk back, so I recommend staying from some
talking downloads.  Problems went away, when uninstalled.




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On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 22:45:23 -0500
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Hi Vaughan,  Several months ago, I had become so discussed with IE 11
and WE that I also gave Chrome a look.  IE 11 just kept crashing with
WE and on many sites it just didn't read info in fields that needed
input. So, Because I was also on the market for a new phone and was
giving Android phones real consideration, I tried Chrome on my
toshiba Laptop. Well, after just a couple of hours, I got the hang of
it and quickly realized that mahy of the IE keyboard shortcuts were
the same, and so I felt quite comfortable in a short time.  I have
not gone back to IE.  I should also tell you that I have used the
Chase bank site to pay credit cards and Chrome did very well.
HOwever, for some unknown reason, Chase feels as though they must
continue to change there webbsite and in doing so, they have it a bit
more difficult to use.  But, I did manage to get the job done.  By
the way, I have procured a new Android phone and within just a few
hours I was very comfortable  with the Talkb

 a

 ck screenreader that comes with Android which supports a full touch

interface.  I have had it only a couple of weeks but I think I have nastered
much of it.  So, I suggest you stick with Chrome because it is much more
stable with WE than is IE 11.




On 3/11/2017 5:48 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:

Hi all.

The current discussion regarding instability between Window-Eyes and
Internet Explorer prompted me to take another look at Google's
Chrome browser.

The last time I did this was at least six months ago, and I was not
then prepared to become a convert.

Now: i'm having strong new impressions which encourage me to stay
with Chrome for more than half an hour.

I've not yet taken it to a truly challenging site - looking at the
Mosen Consulting site at present.

I plan shortly to do some banking, newspaper reading and possibly
other stuff.

Worth a look if people have not yet done so.

Vaughan.


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Re: A time to have another look at Google Chrome

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Vaughan,  Several months ago, I had become so discussed with IE 11 
and WE that I also gave Chrome a look.  IE 11 just kept crashing with WE 
and on many sites it just didn't read info in fields that needed input. 
So, Because I was also on the market for a new phone and was giving 
Android phones real consideration, I tried Chrome on my toshiba Laptop. 
Well, after just a couple of hours, I got the hang of it and quickly 
realized that mahy of the IE keyboard shortcuts were the same, and so I 
felt quite comfortable in a short time.  I have not gone back to IE.  I 
should also tell you that I have used the Chase bank site to pay credit 
cards and Chrome did very well.  HOwever, for some unknown reason, Chase 
feels as though they must continue to change there webbsite and in doing 
so, they have it a bit more difficult to use.  But, I did manage to get 
the job done.  By the way, I have procured a new Android phone and 
within just a few hours I was very comfortable  with the Talkback 
screenreader that comes with Android which supports a full touch 
interface.  I have had it only a couple of weeks but I think I have 
nastered much of it.  So, I suggest you stick with Chrome because it is 
much more stable with WE than is IE 11.




On 3/11/2017 5:48 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:

Hi all.

The current discussion regarding instability between Window-Eyes and
Internet Explorer prompted me to take another look at Google's Chrome
browser.

The last time I did this was at least six months ago, and I was not then
prepared to become a convert.

Now: i'm having strong new impressions which encourage me to stay with
Chrome for more than half an hour.

I've not yet taken it to a truly challenging site - looking at the Mosen
Consulting site at present.

I plan shortly to do some banking, newspaper reading and possibly other
stuff.

Worth a look if people have not yet done so.

Vaughan.


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Re: question about thunder and its file asociation

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

HI, I think the problem you described is related to some rather severe 
focus problems in WE.  I have found many instances where We does not 
load the appropriate setfiles.  In your case, after you have gone to the 
We control panle and discovered that the TB setfile is not loaded, tab 
until you get to the minimize button and the you will be back in TB.  If 
you then press control backslash to go back to the WE control panel, you 
will find that the TB setfile is now loaded.  Bernie


On 9/22/2016 11:40 AM, Casey via Talk wrote:

Hi I see when you have Thunderbird open and then you use control
backslash to open window-eyes.
It says nothing about having A Thunderbird set file association with it.
Maybe this is causing the repeating problem.
So how do you get the set file for Thunderbird to load when the program
loads?
Like you would hear like lets say if you have word open and you would
then hit control backslash and hear window-eyes tell you word and
whatever file was running.
So maybe this is the problem and so how do you get Thunderbird to do this?



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Re: getting to the startup options

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

HI Jed,  Well, go to start and in the search box type in "startup 
programs"  The first entry will take you to the new task manager.  And, 
good luck using WE with this new task manager.  You can do it but man it 
isn't easy.  You have to guess as to whether you should use arrow keys 
or your mouse pad.  When it opens, you will be on a page with tabs.  as 
you open a tab, you will have to tab to the items displayed on the page. 
 Sometimes I have been able to read the info with arrow keys and at 
other times with the mouse keys.  So, if you are lookig for the startup 
programs, you will be placed on the startup tab.


On 7/20/2016 4:11 PM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys,

On windows 10, what's the best way to see what programs start when i
boot my machine?  I know programs often like to start without me telling
them to.
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Re: setting up a new email account on thunderbird

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Jed,  Recently, because I acquired a new machine with win 10, I had 
to go through the process of changing to a new email client.  I chose TB 
and in the beginning was not very happy.  But, I managed to get through 
creating my firsrt email acount rather easily.  Then, because I  am 
planning to give up my Verizon service, I decided to create a Gmail 
acount.  That actually went pretty easy.  But, not finished yet, I 
wanted to have an outlook acount and I experienced the very same issue 
you are now having.  I tried creating that outlook acount many times and 
got to the done button and when pressed, nothing happened.  One night 
very late, I was almost asleep sitting at the computer, I tried again, 
and viola, it did it.  However, I think what might be happening is that 
WE is not focused properly on the done button.  I also remember that 
there was some text at the top of the screen that WE didn't 
report.another thing, I think you must have already set up an email 
acount with a provider before you set it up in TB but I wouldn't bet to 
much money on that.  Oh, yeah, I would bet a little.  In my case, I 
already had the Verizon, gmail and outlook acounts set up before setting 
them up in TB.  If I can help further, send me a note at 
bernie.pere...@outlook.com.


On 6/30/2016 7:26 PM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys,
OK, i am trying to setup a new email on thunderbird.  I type in all the
info.  I click on continue button, then it brings me to a done button.
The done button, when i press the enter key or spacebar it doesn't seem
to do anything.  I am trying to review the screen with the mouse but it
keeps going ding ding ding ding ding.
Any ideas?
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Re: office 2016 help

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Jed, I remeber a post on this site indicating that one needed to have 
the Office 2016 set files for Office 365.  Even though I have Office 
365, I can only find set files for office 2013 on my machine.  so, not 
sure where one gets the 2016 versions.  Also, since you and I are having 
similar issues, what kind of a new machine do you have?


On 5/25/2016 6:35 PM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys,
OK, so i have office 365, 2016 running on my computer.  I have 2 major
problems.  When i have outlook up and running as i am arrowing down my
messages, every message i go to, it goes ding dong.  It's a high to a
low pitch sound, super annoying.
The other problem is excelle 2016 appears to be completely unaccessable.
 I actually went so far as to create a blank excelle, and absolutely
nothing.  Any ideas?
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Re: office 2016

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Jed, I also have office 365 but when I installed it, the office apps: 
word, excel and powerpoint appeared on the task bar t the left of the 
file explorer icon



On 5/25/2016 12:49 PM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys i have office 365, and just installed it.  I can not find
outlook or excelle.  I am running win 10 and we 9.4, but i can not find
it in the list of apps.  Any ideas?
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Re: Thunderbird Focus issues

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Jed,
Well, like you, I do experience many problems with TB.  In fact, not 
sure why so many think it is so great, I don't but I am using it.  I 
also think that there are a few problems with WE and focus both with TB 
and other programs.  One thing I have noticed is that often, WE does not 
have the proper set file loaded.  Just before writing this note, I was 
in TB with the mailbox list opened and I went to the WE control panel 
only to find that the active set file was Wineyes.set.  I have witnessed 
this behavior in other situations including when I write a reply to an 
email.  It is not consistent.  I just interrupted my composing to see if 
I could use arrow and numpad keys.  The left arrow and right arrow keys 
do move but not the up and down arrows.  Interestingly enough, the 
numpad keys do nothing except giving the frustyrating ding.  However, If 
I use the shift with numpad keys they seem to work properly and text is 
either selected or deselected.
I am currently running the latest version of TB and WE on a new Toshiba 
Satellite laptop.  I have been wondering if there is some peculiarity 
with the system settings for the keyboard.  I have found a setting that 
says "use the numpad keys to move the mouse".  I did change this setting 
but can't figure out what changes occurred.  Unlike my previous laptop, 
this new one has the numpad on the keyboard whereas before, I used and 
external numpad.  In that situation, I was able to use the keys on the 
external numpad to move around on the desktop but with the new machine, 
I cannot.  However, if I hold down the shift key, then the numpad keys 
do allow the reading of items on the desktop and I can move up and down 
as well as left to right.  So, I think there is something amiss. 
Another reason I think there are focus problems with WE is that often WE 
will speak things from recent past, that is, it will speak either 
something from a previous web page or from another message.  So, I 
continue to have the same frustrations.


On 5/25/2016 1:35 AM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys,

OK, my frustration is getting bigger with thunderbird.  I am running the
latest TB, we 9.4, and eyt again on a brand new computer, still having
the issues where i can't read up and down with my arrow keys in TB.  I
have to keep re-focusing.  Is anyone else having this problem?  This is
getting very old, and i'm pretty tired of it. It's quite frankly
unacceptable  While writing this message, i just tried going left and
right with the arrow keys, and it literally says nothing.  Any ideas?
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Re: Problem when Writing in Thunderbird

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi, I had the same problem but then read a post on this list advising 
the following.  Go to the tools item on the menu bar;arrow down to 
accounts;  arrow down to composition;  then tab to the check box that 
says "compose messages in html" and uncheck the box.  When I did this, 
everything was ok.

B

On 5/14/2016 12:41 PM, Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote:

Hello everyone, I am having a problem where I can't read what I am
writing when I write a message in thunder bird.  The arrow keys won't
read anything, and Window-Eyes won't respond even when I press
backspace.  The window is maximised, and I am using Windows 7 with the
latest Window-Eyes.



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Re: thunderbird and inbox

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

HI, So much for software that always is supposed to be better when you 
get the latest version.  Anyway, for the problem of getting to the 
inbox,  try just closing the window with all that non-sense and then I 
think yoou will be at the inbox tab.



On 4/27/2016 12:54 AM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys,
So, perhaps my 1st message didn't get through.  I am no longer to get 
to my inbox after doing an upgrade to thunderbird.  It didn't even ask 
my permission, it just upgraded..  Now when i launch it, it keeps 
saying some nonsense about new in thunderbird 45, bla bla bla.  Now, i 
am tabbing around, and there is no inbox what so ever.  I can get to 
the main menu bar, with file, edit, tools, all of that, but no inbox, 
so how do i get there?  I tabbed through the page 4 times, and 
nothing.  It keeps telling me about all the new features, sign in, 
asking me if this article is helpful and all that.  I just wanna be 
able to read my mail.  Any ideas?

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Re: WE & Thunderbird Question

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Nick,

I am experiencing the same problem with Thunderbird.  When composing a 
message, We will not read characters that are deleted.  But, this 
behavior started about a week ago when I foolishly allowed Thunderbird 
to install the latest version which I think is 4.5, with perhaps another 
digit.  At the time the new version was installed, I received a notice 
that some of the add-ons might not work.  But, didn't know what add-ons 
were installed before the installation so I am wondeering if that is the 
problem  By the way, with the new version, I can not review a message 
that I am composing.


Bernie


On 4/26/2016 2:00 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
First let me explain.  When I post to the list, I find it easier to 
click on the link from the introductory e-mail I received welcoming me 
to the list (I don't bother with an address book).  Generally When I 
compose an e-mail in Thunderbird, I first make sure I am in the 
correct window, and then I type control-n. Lately I have found that 
when I backspace over a letter, WE is no longer reading the letter.  
Instead I am getting the Windows bong sound.  I tried maximizing the 
window but to no avail.  BTW, even though WE is not reading the 
letters over which I am back spacing, they are being erased.


Now here's the interesting part.  As I told you, I don't manually type 
the address for this list in the "to" field, opting instead to click 
on the link in the original e-mail.  And when I back space, WE is 
reading the letters as I back space over them.


Nick
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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Neville, I have tried making the suggested changes  using WE 9.3 from 
Microsoft 365 and Windows 10.  But with Tbird, no effect, still no mouse 
at all.  Clearly something is very wrong.  I previously used that simple 
and often scorned upon client, Outlook express and it was simple to use, 
very fast, and did everything I needed.  Now, I am forced to use a piece 
of software that is awkward at best and I won't say the worst.

Bernie

On 1/9/2016 5:31 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:
This surprises me John because you are using the same OS as I am.  Try 
using the latest version of WE


Apart from this, the only thing I can suggest is to go back into 
Firefox and check the settings again.


I am hoping to hear from someone who has tried it under W10.

Cheers
Neville.

On 9/01/2016 10:07 PM, john s via Talk wrote:

Neville, I tried these steps and no go. I'm running Windows 7, 32 bit
and WE 9.1.  With WE running, about:config wouldn't respond.  I had to
exit WE and use NVDA to accomplish the steps.  But, no go.



earlier, Neville via Talk, wrote:

Hi Kevin,

Following is a copy of a message I sent to the list a week or two ago
regarding gaining access to the screen with the mouse while using
Firefox and Thunderbird.

The first  two modifications had been done previously on my system but
with no improvement. It seems the third change makes the difference.

Prior to the modifications, my W7 system suffered frequent Thunderbird
crashes  but since the changes, no chrashes have been experienced.

I would like to know if anyone using W10 has tried the below
modifications and particullarly the results or lack of same.

HTH
Neville
original message:


Hi Listers,
Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird

Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird
accessible with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to
use WE to make the necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed
sighted assistance for Firefox.  For some reason WE kept loosing
speech in the case of Firefox but maybe NVDA would work.

A similar method has been around for a while but never had any success
with it but these three steps really work.  In short, I was amazed
with the change in mouse accessibility the alterations made.

Hopefully, someone can come up with a method to make Chrome mouse
accessible as well.

Unfortunately it is not known for sure whether this technique will
work as well under W8 and W10 as it does under W7 32 and 64 bit. If
you do try it under W8 or W10, please inform the list of your results.
i.e. Either positive or negative.

HTH
Neville.



This is the three steps needed to fix the mouse cursor problem.

The third step is the new one.  You do have to arrow down many times
to find it.  A lot do seem to sound the same, so be careful you get
the correct one to change.


block quote
1. Open the Configuration Editor. In Firefox, enter
about:config
 in the address bar. In Thunderbird, go to the Tools menu and navigate
to Options, Advanced, General, then Config Editor.
2. Once in the Configuration editor, press TAB until you are in the
list of options.
3. Pressing UP or DOWN ARROW will move you between options or typing
the first few letters of an option's name will move you to a specific
option in the

list.
the following are entries to search for:

gfx.direct2d.disabled
if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
value to true.

layers.acceleration.disabled
if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
value to true.

layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled
if the boolean value is set to true, press the enter key to toggle the
value to false.

press control+w to close the configuration window.
restart Thunderbird/Firefox.
block quote end

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