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t; Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 10:11 AM >> To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: Reeva Webb ; Dennis Long >> Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account >> >> I understand that. And that is great, for you. I just can't deal with >> touch

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Of Singing Sparrow via Talk Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 9:50 PM To: Steve Nutt; Window-Eyes Discussion List; 'Reeva Webb' Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account I like windows but I am leaning more towards a mac because of the things that people have to go through for windows. I mean, come

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Some of these other Screen Readers are just not in the same level of Quality and Features as JAWS and Window Eyes. Unless the other Screen Reader Companies have something JAWS might want, they are probably Safe from a Hostile Take Over. -- Dave

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geo...@optonline.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account The only other screen reader I know of is Dolphin and who knows it may be next on VFO's list of Acquisitions . - Original Message - From: Pamela Doming

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--Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: 16 March 2017 06:54 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Failure to hold VF

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geo...@optonline.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account The only other screen reader I know of is Dolphin and who knows it may be next on VFO's list of Acquisitions . - Original Message - From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

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] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: 16 March 2017 06:54 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account You know, this gets me thinking esp. With the conversations I've had in the past week. W

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via Talk Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 1:46 PM To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Butch Bussen <but...@shellworld.net> Cc: Reeva Webb <jadedangelpromi...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account With

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=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 1:23 PM To: Terri Pannett; Marcie Chaney; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account The APH Orbit Reader 20 will allow you to add a braille display to a smart phone

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Don't be surprised if the VFO group tries to acquire Sarotec? -Original Message- From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 1:14 PM To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account Pam: VFO is very close to a monopoly

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Many blind people can't afford the high price for braille displays and notetakers. -Original Message- From: Nick Sarames Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 10:33 AM To: Terri Pannett ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Russ Kiehne Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account Remember, most

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Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account From what people have posted on various lists that I belong to, I understand that using braille on an Apple device would be a challenge. This is because everything is translated into grade 2 instantly so if you don't

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The APH Orbit Reader 20 will allow you to add a braille display to a smart phone, tablet or ipod touch. -Original Message- From: Terri Pannett via Talk Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 9:22 AM To: Marcie Chaney ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account I

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that should also give you uncontracted braille instead of contracted braille input and output. On 3/17/2017 5:42 PM, Reg Webb via Talk wrote: You can set braille input and output on the iPhone, contracted, 6 dot, or 8 dot in both cases. ___ Any

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You can set braille input and output on the iPhone, contracted, 6 dot, or 8 dot in both cases. -- Reg On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:38:15 -0700 Terri Pannett via Talk wrote: > From what people have posted on various lists that I belong to, I

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[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Friday, 17 March 2017 3:09 a.m. To: Reeva Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Dennis Long Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account In my case, my ipad mini 4 has taken the place of my victor

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over everything. Isn't that a monopoly? Pam. -Original Message- From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 10:34 PM To: 'Tony C' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account Tony, I could not agree more

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Not completely correct: you are accurate in that by default, contracted braille is the default translation, but you can set things so as to input and output in uncontracted Braille. Or - as I do - input in uncontracted and see output in contracted. Braille on an Apple device for me is

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I've been doing a lot of reading up on this, it appears the future of Windows is a universal platform that can run any app written in any programming language. So, in theory, it won't matter what device or platform you're using. With slight modifications, the same universal app could run on

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Webb Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account Without veering too much off topic, is there some preliminary advice you can give for trying to learn how to navagate a touch screen? Full disclosure, I'm a button man. On 3/17/2017 9:34 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote: I was one of lthose who

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will >>> become a thing of the past. We aren't there yet, but more and more >>> things are becoming voice activated, and voice commanded. The market >>> for such special items as Window-eyes and Jaws is waining. Heck, the I >>> phone out of the box gives the blind user access t

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Remember, most blind persons don't use Braille. On 3/17/2017 12:41 PM, Terri Pannett via Talk wrote: > Again, braille is not supported the way it should be. 20 cells is just > not enough, especially if you want to use braille exclusively and turn > off speech. I would never buy an Orbit for

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I once said, don't force me to buy a computer. On 3/17/2017 12:38 PM, Terri Pannett via Talk wrote: > From what people have posted on various lists that I belong to, I > understand that using braille on an Apple device would be a challenge. > This is because everything is translated into grade 2

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eded to look for one of > those, but I'm not optimistic we'll be able to find one when we need it > with buttons or knobs you can feel. > Evan > > -Original Message- From: Dave via Talk > Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 11:07 AM > To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion Li

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From what people have posted on various lists that I belong to, I understand that using braille on an Apple device would be a challenge. This is because everything is translated into grade 2 instantly so if you don't write fast enough, your text will be garbled. People who prefer braille will

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Discussion List Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account Yes Rick, I reluctantly agree with you that too many things have become Political. And I for one, do not know how to reverse this politicizing of every sort of Service the Government or Privet Sector might offer. Let's face it, the Blind

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Again, braille is not supported the way it should be. 20 cells is just not enough, especially if you want to use braille exclusively and turn off speech. I would never buy an Orbit for that reason. Terri Amateur radio call sign KF6CA ___ Any views

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Reg Web, President Trump going blind? You've been wiretapping the green White House! Oh, and from England? Yikes! You're in trouble, you've been spying for the UK5 for a long, long time! Now watch out, we're coming after you!! Sarcasm apart, it would probably be hidden from the public the

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I don't think you said anything about braille. Braille has always been important to me, and I wonder if the mainstream phones and computers would support it if the braille notetakers/displays were no longer around. Only blind people who read and write braille exclusively can understand this.

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Yes Rick, I reluctantly agree with you that too many things have become Political. And I for one, do not know how to reverse this politicizing of every sort of Service the Government or Privet Sector might offer. Let's face it, the Blind are a very small group when looking at the entire

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that a monopoly? Pam. > > -Original Message- From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via > Talk > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 10:34 PM > To: 'Tony C' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account > > Tony, I could not agree more! It se

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: Failure to hold VFO to account I remember when this all went down, I referred to VFO as a monopoly, and was smartly chastized for it. I don't know why. To me, it seems like it has taken over everything. Isn't that a monopoly? Pam. -Original Message- From: Olusegun

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. -Original Message- From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 10:45 PM To: 'ukekearu...@valtdnet.com' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account I feel that the key point as this relates to Window-eyes is missed: if you don't pay - you can

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: Thursday, March 16, 2017 10:34 PM To: 'Tony C' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account Tony, I could not agree more! It seems to me that blind folks are pretty happy being ripped off. Petitions fall on deaf ears, elements of deceitful dishonesty beat down like

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ow-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk >> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 7:46 PM >> To: 'ukekearu...@valtdnet.com'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account >> >> I feel that the key point as this relates to

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p.m. To: 'Tony C'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account Tony, I could not agree more! It seems to me that blind folks are pretty happy being ripped off. Petitions fall on deaf ears, elements of deceitful dishonesty beat down like hurricanes and tornados

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Think about this? You can get a iphone and APH — Orbit Reader 20 for a lot less money than a Notetaker? -Original Message- From: Vaughan Dodd Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 2:44 PM To: 'Russ Kiehne' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account I'm

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Discussion List Cc: Reeva Webb ; Dennis Long Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account I understand that. And that is great, for you. I just can't deal with touch screens. Give me buttons to push. As I said in an earlier note, the same solution isn't for everyone. You guys and your i whatevers

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' Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account I feel that the key point as this relates to Window-eyes is missed: if you don't pay - you can presume to not get. The Window-Eyes for Office deal has meant that there is no cash to fix long standing problems or to develop new features. People who make

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tch...@mediacombb.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account I happen to think, on a humanitarian rather than on a political level, that some goods and services, defined as essential, should be shielded from market forces. I w

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Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 10:46 PM To: 'ukekearu...@valtdnet.com' <ukekearu...@valtdnet.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account I feel that the key point as this relates to Window-ey

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Well said sir. That's more like it. -- Reg On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:34:25 -0600 "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk" wrote: > Tony, I could not agree more! It seems to me that blind folks are pretty > happy being ripped off.

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---Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 6:33 PM > To: Evan Reese ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Pamela Dominguez > Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account > > To be fair, the disparity between the price of a screen reader and th

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Discussion List Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account And the free version for Office was subsidized by Microsoft. - Original Message - From: Sky Mundell via Talk To: 'Vaughan Dodd' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 10:53 PM Subject: RE

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s their PC, something any sighted person can do right out of the box. Evan -Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 5:02 PM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account Yes. Somebody said about something:

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And the free version for Office was subsidized by Microsoft. - Original Message - From: Sky Mundell via Talk To: 'Vaughan Dodd' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 10:53 PM Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account Hi Vaughn. When the office

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-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 7:46 PM To: 'ukekearu...@valtdnet.com'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account I feel that the key point as this relates to Window-eyes is missed: if you don't pay - you can presume to not get

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'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account Tony, I could not agree more! It seems to me that blind folks are pretty happy being ripped off. Petitions fall on deaf ears, elements of deceitful dishonesty beat down like hurricanes and tornados, and stun guns

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Tony, I could not agree more! It seems to me that blind folks are pretty happy being ripped off. Petitions fall on deaf ears, elements of deceitful dishonesty beat down like hurricanes and tornados, and stun guns are always at the ready to fire and knock the blind out! If the goings-on had

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I agree with you, Butch. I never got used to the Android phone, even with the BrailleEdge connected to it. I wish people wouldn't automatically think that because they can use their I devices and Android devices that Apple and Android is good for everyone. Also, I hate voice commands! The

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h Bussen via Talk > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 1:11 PM > To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Cc: Reeva Webb > Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account > > I understand that. And that is great, for you. I just can't deal with > touch screens. Give me but

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mething any sighted > person can do right out of the box. > Evan > > -Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 5:02 PM > To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account > > Yes. Some

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om: Pamela Dominguez via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 5:02 PM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account Yes. Somebody said about something: "The only way it's hard is if you make it hard". Well, it seems to me that that is quight subject

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we should be penalized because we don't want a touch screen or whatever the newest thing is. Pam. -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 1:11 PM To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Reeva Webb Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to

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and better sound. It does everything they do and a lot more. -Original Message- From: Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:54 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Dennis Long Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account You know, this gets me thinking esp

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-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 2:54 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account You know, this gets

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To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account Yes, I agree with you on that. I don't have any touch screen devices. I think my laptop can be used in that way, but I am happy to say that it still has a keyboard. And when my cell phone goes, I

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via Talk Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:12 PM To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account Problem is you i phone users think everyone can use one and can use a touch screen. They are not for everyone. I think blind folks fall into that worse than any

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Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:54 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Dennis Long Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account You know, this gets me thinking esp. With the conversations I've had in the past week. We're getting what we wanted for years. We can go into a electronics store and buy

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> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:12 PM > To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account > > Problem is you i phone

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Could be that my fingers don't get cold enough! But I sure do use a touchscreen phone with cold fingers! There's still good old winter here in my Denver bush, though today's weather will be nearly 60Plus degrees F. But I'm constantly standing at a bus stop, and, when my bus is late, I'm having

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t searches, txt messageing, etc, without the need of an expensive piece of software that at best in moderately useable. It's just a matter of time. -Original Message- From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:05 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Failure t

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Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 5:06 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Failure to hold VFO to account Greetings all. I've just flicked through the latest edition of Access World from AFB. We are promised CSUN updates in

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15, 2017 4:05 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Failure to hold VFO to account Greetings all. I've just flicked through the latest edition of Access World from AFB. We are promised CSUN updates in April. In the 21st Century, and with our accessible technology industry goin

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17 4:05 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Failure to hold VFO to account Greetings all. I've just flicked through the latest edition of Access World from AFB. We are promised CSUN updates in April. In the 21st Century, and with our accessible technology industry going through s

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Greetings all. I've just flicked through the latest edition of Access World from AFB. We are promised CSUN updates in April. In the 21st Century, and with our accessible technology industry going through significant change, not to mention the demise of the pony express, the failure of