RE: the future of Window-Eyes

Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: the future of Window-Eyes Hi, Rod, I also was wondering if Aaron Smith was still around. A few weeks ago i sent Aaron a message regarding a long standing bug in WE but did not receive a reply. Going on previous emails,

RE: the future of Window-Eyes

w-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; tfairhu...@kc.rr.com Subject: Re: the future of Window-Eyes hi, is aaron smith still in gwmicro? i just listened to the did you know series on window eyes > On 6 Oct 2016, at 2:49 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com&

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hi, is aaron smith still in gwmicro? i just listened to the did you know series on window eyes > On 6 Oct 2016, at 2:49 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk > wrote: > > Hi Mike: > > I think it depends on which features of Window-eyes, if any, they > incorporate into JAWS. >

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Hi Mike: I think it depends on which features of Window-eyes, if any, they incorporate into JAWS. Kevin Huber On 10/3/16, Mike Bernard via Talk wrote: > Gentlemen, it all comes down to this, capitalistic propaganda. The more > pricy stuff gets, the more money comes

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tch Bussen' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >>>> Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes >>>> >>>> Hi. Its understandable why you would not mess with JAWS. I have to >>>> use JAWS >>>> for my work as a musician and recording engineer, but detest

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I personally don't like the NVDA version of Eloquence. I could never get it to save the settings I chose. -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 11:11 PM To: 'Gary Metzler' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes

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+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler via Talk Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 1:14 AM To: Chris Skarstad; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes Hi All, If I switch to nvda can I use my we vocalizer voices that I paid for? Thanks

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Of course, one consequence of all this uncertainty, is the app development. Many app developers may feel reluctant to update and maintain their apps, if tomorrow the whole app will be no longer useful, due to the screen reader being discontinued. New apps may not be developed, even if there

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, leg and >>>> first born child. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, October 3, 2016, Russ Kiehne via Talk >>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If I'

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essage- From: Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 8:04 PM To: 'Butch Bussen' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes Hi. Its understandable why you would not mess with JAWS. I have to use JAWS for my work as a musician and recording engineer, but

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I guess the proof will be in the puddings. It will be what it will be, I guess. -Original Message- From: Reg Webb via Talk Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 12:12 AM To: Tom Kingston ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes Thank you Tom for being

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I agree. If you look at the time and expertise which has gone into developing the product, then you can't expect to get that for nothing. Throughout my working life Vocal-eyes and then Window-eyes has been there to support me. IN my naivety I have always believe that there was little to choose

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ay, October 3, 2016 6:37 PM > To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes > > You are completely forgetting NVDA which is a free option, and it's > actually a screenreader worth using. it's not a toy a couple people put > together, it actually

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: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:37 PM > To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes > > You are completely forgetting NVDA which is a free option, and it's > actually a screenreader worth using. it's not a toy a couple people put > together, it ac

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Hi All, If I switch to nvda can I use my we vocalizer voices that I paid for? Thanks, -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:37 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes You are completely forgetting

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Thank you Tom for being constructive as ever. We must talk to people assuming that they are concerned about the purpose of their product, rather than simply looking for a means of maximising their revenue. Talking to the latter is pointless, so let's at least assume that there is, in the policy

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Exactly right, Nick. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:38 PM To: Tom Kingston; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Chris Skarstad Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes

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It may also help to explain (rationally) why you think Jaws is an inferior product (without saying you think it is inferior). Mention what you'd like your screen reader to be able to do. On 10/3/2016 11:33 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: > This thread is fine. We all need to vent. But the

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This thread is fine. We all need to vent. But the most productive thing we can do is to let VFO know how we feel. I would encourage all of you to take a deep breath, sit down, and spend some time writing a serious letter to the folks at VFO. Make it professional and courteous, outlining your

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RJ, where have you been? Dan is gone from GW Micro and A I Squared! He retired, may be forced, may be not; but he is long gone! Marc Solomon is also gone, in his case to greener pastures! Gone all the same. If this remains a speculation on our part, I am quite happy to lead the loyal

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Sky, did I hear you mention A I Squared? Are they still squared, or, better still, are they still squaring? I better begin learning how to use NVDA, Window-Eyes MAY NOT KEEP ME employed for much longer. I wonder whether or not GW Micro could be resuscitated and pulled out of V F O? Hmm, not

Re: The future of Window-eyes

I am not Fearful of Window Eyes going away. With that being said, I would rather have a Head's Up about a coming event, rather than find out suddenly that 9.5 is the last version of Window Eyes and after another 6 months, there will be no more support etc. And then getting an Email telling me

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To the extend of my understanding, NVDA will never have a charge. Think it is developed under the GPL (General Public License), which institutes it will never, and can never, be sold as a commercial product. It will have to be offered for free, long as it exists. Only way for them to raise

Re: The future of Window-eyes

; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes It is going to be a hard decision when the time comes to pay $1000.00 for JAWS or spend that same money for a Apple based laptop. On 10/3/2016 5:23 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote: But others within the VFO group can speak about

RE: The future of Window-eyes

- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 3:37 PM To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes You are completely forgetting NVDA which is a free option, and it's

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Ok, sounds good, but, watch when wegoes down, there will be a charge for ndva, wait and see Don ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership

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. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2016 11:15 a.m. To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes None of us, probably not even

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] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2016 11:15 a.m. To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes None of us, probably not even the guys at AI Squared are even able to speak about the future of Window-eyes until it is time to do so. So all

RE: The future of Window-eyes

. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2016 11:15 a.m. To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes None of us, probably not even

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: I think that Microsoft is the one who is subsidizes the Window Eyes for Office. - Original Message - From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk To: 'Reeva Webb' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 3:55 PM Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes Yes: paying

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I think that Microsoft is the one who is subsidizes the Window Eyes for Office. - Original Message - From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk To: 'Reeva Webb' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 3:55 PM Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes Yes: paying

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3:26 a.m. To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes Countdown to the demise of we y'all. I been calling it, we and fusion will be killed, magic will be put to it's deserved death fs always knew magic sucked and was a complete joke. The shark and zt

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: The future of Window-eyes i totally agree with you, let’s all use NVDA, and off the rip off merchants. From: Martin Brown via Talk Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 1:18 PM To: 'Sky Mundell' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes Hello Sky. I have listened to both

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=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2016 3:52 a.m. To: mattc...@verizon.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes You all have know idea what you're talking about. Stop asuming things. Window eyes is not going

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myself. I too wasn't very impressed when I heard that podcast. -Original Message- From: Rick Thomas [mailto:ofbgm...@mi.rr.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 7:17 AM To: 'Sky Mundell'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes Hi Sky: They are a Financial

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October 2, 2016 8:04 PM > To: 'Butch Bussen' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes > > Hi. Its understandable why you would not mess with JAWS. I have to use > JAWS for my work as a musician and recording engineer, but detest it > for its

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w-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes Hi. Its understandable why you would not mess with JAWS. I have to use JAWS for my work as a musician and recording engineer, but detest it for its copy-protection. I also work as a adaptive technology instructor and can use both alongside o

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Didn't Dan retire? And Doug is probably told to keep his lips sealed. And isn't it fun to wildly speculate the demise of our Screen Reading software, which will force us all to choose between NVDA, which doesn't offer near the features or capability, or JAWS, that will cost you money you

RE: The future of Window-eyes

=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 11:25 AM To: Bryan Peterson <bpeterson2...@cableone.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes If it were to go away, I'll make sure I have

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; Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 11:19 AM Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes Good point Bob. As much as this merger worries me I'm trying not to worry too much. -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:51

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Good point Bob. As much as this merger worries me I'm trying not to worry too much. -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:51 AM To: mattc...@verizon.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes You all have know

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ate >>> keyboard layout for NVDA to make it use all of the same hot keys as >>> Window >>> Eyes. >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk >>> Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 8:04 PM >>> To: 'Butch Bussen' ; 'Window-Eyes Di

Re: The future of Window-eyes

Sunday, October 2, 2016 8:04 PM To: 'Butch Bussen' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes Hi. Its understandable why you would not mess with JAWS. I have to use JAWS for my work as a musician and recording engineer, but detest it for its copy-protection. I als

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Not enough competition. Am I hearing "monoply"? I don't like the current fact that you're allowed so many copies per license. And if your computer crashes, too bad for you. With Window-Eyes, didn't have to worry about that. In any event, guess we'll have to wait and see. On the other

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4 PM > To: 'Butch Bussen' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes > > Hi. Its understandable why you would not mess with JAWS. I have to use JAWS > for my work as a musician and recording engineer, but detest it for its > copy-protection. I als

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Hi Sky: They are a Financial Company, not a technical company so are likely trying to build something they can offload to another party. There are 2 approaches: One is to combine WindowEyes into JAWS or just get rid of WindowEyes and market jaws as the only really professional screen reader

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List' Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes Hi. Its understandable why you would not mess with JAWS. I have to use JAWS for my work as a musician and recording engineer, but detest it for its copy-protection. I also work as a adaptive technology instructor and can use both alongside of NVDA to teach

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If Window-Eyes is rolled in to Jaws, I will stop using W-E and go with NVDA and Narrator. Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net On 10/3/2016 8:29 AM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote: Keep this stuff up, and they'll drive more people to the Mac. I've never liked FS's attitudes regarding marketing and

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i totally agree with you, let’s all use NVDA, and off the rip off merchants. From: Martin Brown via Talk Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 1:18 PM To: 'Sky Mundell' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes Hello Sky. I have listened to both podcasts, and would

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Keep this stuff up, and they'll drive more people to the Mac. I've never liked FS's attitudes regarding marketing and quality control.--Matthew Chao On 10/3/2016 8:22 AM, Kevin Barry via Talk wrote: Welcome to the world of being a customer of a private equity firm, nothing good. On

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Welcome to the world of being a customer of a private equity firm, nothing good. On Monday, October 3, 2016, Martin Brown via Talk < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > Hello Sky. > I have listened to both podcasts, and would not be optimistic about the > survival of Window-Eyes. > I found

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Hello Sky. I have listened to both podcasts, and would not be optimistic about the survival of Window-Eyes. I found very little about either podcast to give me even the smallest twinge of excitement about what will be new in JAWS 18 either. Audio Ducking would seem to be the revolutionary new idea

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: Butch Bussen [mailto:but...@shellworld.net] Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 7:58 PM To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes We all know window-eyes is going away, we just don't know when. No way are they going to support two screen readers. I won't

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We all know window-eyes is going away, we just don't know when. No way are they going to support two screen readers. I won't have jaws on my system. I refuse to mess with their copy protection scheme. Only thing I wonder is what they'll do with remaining s m a. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148

RE: The future of Window-eyes

I am keen to support Sky in raising this topic again. Whilst our critics might say that we are simply speculating, generating new hysteria after an initial high level of noise, I believe that VFO leadership should clearly tell us what the group's intentions are with respect to Window-eyes. Why

Re: The future of Window-eyes

Interesting that Window Eyes is replaced with JAWS in both programs. Do you think they are looking at the Features in JAWS vs. the features in Window Eyes, and figuring it is easier to add the JAWS Screen Reader, than it is to Upgrade Window Eyes to have the same features as JAWS? Perhaps